OU Kosher’s Pre Pesach Guide to Keeping a Kosher Passover

[Music] hi I'm Naomi NAPLAN the Aussie gourmet and cookbook author of perfect for paper I'm standing in Cedarhurst New York in gourmet flat and I'm talking to rabbi elephant and we're here to talk about the explosion of the kosher food industry especially for Pesach it growing and growing and growing and we're gonna have a little question and answer session we want to hear from Rabbi elephant absolutely I just did a study yesterday and the öyou itself this year certified 1,500 more products for Pesach than we did last year so every year it's growing by 1,500 I don't know if every year is 1,500 but this year was a great year fabulous and we get as you probably know maybe you have your own experience literally hundreds and hundreds of questions all year round about cash rescissions and before Pesach it's incredible it explodes right so we decided that before the questions come to us we'll bring the questions to our listeners and our consumers I want to let you ask the questions and maybe I could give the answers and maybe help educate people all of our Pesach and all about food for Pesach and what they should be thinking about and what they should be looking for okay I love the preparation the Pripet pre preparation Pesach talk that we're gonna have today you know let's talk a little bit about gluten-free because that's definitely a big buzzword in the food industry all together in the kosher oil the non kosher world so you know let's talk about with with pace up all the different products that we have so that's a great question and as you see we have a number of items on this table there many more obviously that are gluten-free so we have lasagna and then we have I think crackers I know how crazy is that that we have a cracker we have cracker and we have even something that looks like a matzo that's gluten free so this is an incredible new product now this is what I find most incredible about Pesach and kosher in general many of the latest food trends hook into kosher hooking the kosher for Pesach perfectly so there are many people that are worried about gluten-free there celiacs or for whatever reason they're trying to be on a gluten-free diet right so how do they know that a food is gluten free right well if it's kosher for Pesach and it's not matzah or anything that has a mats and nail ingredient by definition its gluten free like our lasagna noodles correct so right on the back we know if you're looking for gluten-free product then just look for the oh you pee and you'll have a gluten-free product so what what that creates is incredible first of all we have more Pesach product and we also have more patter for people who don't keep Pesach they're not even Jewish but they're gluten free so they can use our hook into our perfect or Evie OUP that's all year in your app as long as it's now matzah or something that has a mats and mail ingredient that was the only food that we certify for kosher for Passover that is not Putin free is obviously matter or matter male matzo based product I do have to make an important caveat so you just showed the paste the Matz's that are gluten free right the matches that are gluten free are you free you shouldn't make a barium enema zionists there's no flour in it right you make it Shaco and also that's not what you should use for the seder because for the Seder you gotta use the real thing and gluten-free matters and not the real thing okay so we have to always keep that in mind okay thank you for sharing that with us I know that's a question that everybody will everybody's asking and it's really incredible you know I'm not telling anybody what teeth but that you can have lasagna coaster for Pesach right that's not what I'm about ten years ago it certainly was you know if I want the Jews thought about when they left Egypt no way no one lucky if they had lasagna okay great so you know we're moving down our table we have so many great items like than baby food correct when my kids were little if you wanted baby food like you may be yourself right and now we have like Gerber and oh you product everybody knows that oh you it's been around for I want to say 120 years about well not me yeah you got are you looking fabulous right okay thanks so you know to know that you know the oh you is is quality and when you're feeding your family you're getting good quality certification and good quality product well you're a hundred percent right and it's incredible when studies are done about kosher if many of our customers tell us that they have discovered that a large population of their consumers are not even Jewish and certainly not people who care about kosher but they're very impressed with what the owner represents it's a communal organization that has hundreds of rabbis around the country and around the world visiting plants on an unannounced basis and that notion that the food that you're eating has been supervised by an independent reliable trustworthy group and organization and individuals makes the people feel much better but what they even how many countries do have plants in we have plants at over a hundred countries Wow and that's only because there are many countries that it's not safe for you to travel okay so you know a lot of places where guy that looks like me would come I don't know if I come back you can send me undercover rabbi I'll be the most yeah okay I'm not ready to take a chance for you either thank you he has my back okay um let's talk about we have kosher salt which bears the oh you pee all year many products it was st. besides the gluten free products are kosher for Passover all year so we have our kosher salt which is definitely used every single baking item or cooking item every day absolutely but this isn't a very important item because as you do point out salt is kosher all the time but many people you saw I know my wife all year round always looks for so good idea because it's an important nutrient that could be a problem for Passover so you could buy salt for Passover for Pesach without special supervision you have to make sure as this says this sort does not supply iodide unnecessary nutrient if it's I die salt then you couldn't use it for Pesach because it would be a problem all the different friends we have the different brand here Don Simon crystal I'm not sure about this one this is this is red sea salt but with table salt this is something to be conscious of I do not know that ok we are all learning something here today ok so now we have also the frozen fruit so we're all moving into a like healthy eating especially on pasta so as you know as you know everybody's eating fruits and vegetables which is what they should be doing I guess right let's wrap I wish it ok that's that was supposed to be your line but there's a real issue when we talk about fruits or vegetables right because coleslaw is extremely sensitive tenser station Oh bugs I'm just Asian of five so that's the dirt we don't wanna eat the bug guys it drips and the aphids so it besides whatever health issue there is there's a very serious prohibition about eating drips and aphids now there's some fruits and vegetables that are no big deal and Apple and our wounds appear you just wash it you just wash it but then those aren't the vegetables that anybody wants to really eat all the time so when you get to something like spinach when you get something like strawberries right these are highly infested so now that stupid tiny little bugs let's explain to our audience what those two bags that you register most common bugs that are found are called thrips and aphids okay I only knew about a method so I'm now learning something new right now so they're very small they're very hard to identify and you now are eatin right they are not kosher right so now how do we get you to be able to have a strawberry that is good and healthy but on the other hand doesn't have any three observations so we have companies like this company bodega that spend a lot of effort and resources in washing all the products that we certify and then checking them to make sure that they're perfectly clean so it's quite a big process how long does the process get from the Strawberry Fields to go make laughs I could take quite a while because first of all were checking fields because any field that has a propensity for infestation it doesn't pay to begin with then you get a field which the rabbi's we have experts then know how to check for this and they make sure that this field is pretty clean or very clean rather after they do that then they start checking that indeed the product that they're going to be selling to you and me is really kosher is really clean and then they package it under proper supervision to make sure that that's the product that makes its way to the bag you know this issue infestation it's always spoken about before hey soccer because what is the one of the most important foods we eat at the Seder tomorrow right and the Gomora says the horseradish forget about the horseradish what does the Powerman say is the best vegetable you should use tomorrow you know no romaine lettuce romaine lettuce of course not that big horseradish that everybody thinks that you should be eating the best food to eat is the romaine lettuce but as you probably know and anybody knows romaine lettuce is very delicious and very healthy but by generating very infested and not just very infested very difficult to identify the infestation because the insects are the same color as the lettuce very difficult right so because of that we have a number of companies quite a number ready that have special greenhouses will they grow lettuce that will protect them from being infested that I checked to make sure that the batches that are being sold are kosher so now you can have your romaine lettuce for morale and you don't have to worry that you're eating infested romaine lettuce instead of when I grew up if you want to have romaine lettuce for the Seder you had to spend time on era Pesach all afternoon Chucky's awareness to make sure that please so great that we can rely on the o you to give us clean healthy kosher lettuce ready for the Seder absolutely video it's not going to say them right we love doing salads okay good okay so moving right along so we have all our different we're talking before about our gluten-free methods which is not matter which is not matter and we're not using this at the Seder please we can use this for breakfast absolutely I'm and so we'll talk about our cereals that we can eat for breakfast okay this is a topic that came up two years ago when we met before quinoa we all want to know about quinoa after 2,000 years we are so excited to have the oh you be able to certify why you are so important why you are so important for Pesach do you no no I want you to share with us so this is nothing to do a kosher what I'm gonna tell you now okay I'm excited to hit it what could know you survived with where for nine days or eight and a half days curse your pizza wrong Rock what goes before pizza sushi correct how could you live without food I don't know I don't know but we managed 15 years ago now we have a very big problem you can't use if you're asking Isaac you can't use rice on Pesach so how are you gonna have to ship a soccer cauliflower rice as well as quinoa that's the answer we have two we have two choices quinoa has been amazing it has been a game-changer as a personal chef and as a cookbook author to be able to put quinoa in recipes be able to stuff chicken with it to be able to put it inside of sushi - there are hotels now in across America that for pays off that arch there are hundreds across the probably thousands across the world that are serving sushi on Pesach because we have rose I want those up to you if you and I if I got a dollar for every person that asked us about quinoa Mesa I wouldn't be here I'd be retired it's wonderful it really wonderful and it's a this was incredible this is an incredible issue why was this an incredible issue because as you said 15 years ago nobody knew anything about ken wall even people like you to know about food so now Ken watt become so popular it exploding and we got a question is quinoa cold shiver banks are now there was no way to look because there was no Kinlaw you can't look in this special there's no Mis all wrong quinoa and we sat on this question for years you know because we're very conservative right not conservative you know I need so we're very conservative until we make a decision we want to be a hundred percent sure that we're making the right decision so after a lot of deliberation with our senior rabbis we finally decided that King walk could be kosher for Pesach not finished weirdest kin well growth it doesn't grow in Long Island no no it grows in Peru I would like to have gone on that trip where we have a rabbi Derwent there a very very nice qualified individual who even speaks the language and he went up to the mountains of Peru to the Andes Mountains correct to check the king walk what was he looking for he was looking to see if quinoa grows near wheat mia grain because if it grows near grain even if it's close to the basilar you're gonna have to be concerned that there's some grain mixed into the quinoa barca sham it doesn't not yet we didn't finish the story ah but now the next step is to go to the packing house with a tactical on to these bags and we had to make sure that the packing house the lines on which the packing the quinoa is completely clean of any other substance even airborne substance that we could pack the quinoa into the bag and make sure that you the chef the cook the consumer has only quinoa in the bag which we decided to be used on pace on and you have now a few different companies that are making now you know how it goes yeah it comes out its popular yes it's great all right let's moving along okay vodka how can you live without the right that's right you look like you drink it all the time so this is an interesting new food group alcoholic beverages so you know everybody knew that you cannot paste like without wine I can taste like when I wine four cups of wine and I don't know if they sell wine in the store but if you look at our directory I don't know if we have one here but if you look at the oh you pay stocks directory there are oh here it is yeah there are hundreds I'm not exaggerating of different wines that are certified for Pesach just just probably like thousands of them they would look just one page after another page of all these different wines it just doesn't stop and their wines coming that are kosher for Pesach literally from the entire world the United States and Israel are obvious Argentina Chile New England friends Australia absolutely Italy you name it South Africa you name it that's what kosher wine is coming now from they just need to have grapes and we need to get rabbis there but now the market has gone to the next level and we're not only certifying all these wines but also sort of flying other alcoholic beverages so we certify slimovitz everybody remember slimovitz your father drinks a little bit I'm sure he did Oh your grandfather that we certify that comes out of check lavake and we're certifying tequila and and now we are also certifying vodka and this is a very serious group of drinks when it comes to Pesach supervision because obviously the main ingredient in any alcoholic beverage is alcohol right and alcohol could easily come from a grain from wheat from rye so you need to make sure that the source of the grain the source of the alcohol is a alcohol that's kosher for Pesach a sugar or a fruit that's like the kilos so easy to certify because tequila by definition comes from that Gavi fruit right or slivovitz that I mentioned a moment ago comes from plums so those are kosher for basic right you can't have a coastal place like scotch so Scotch comes by definition from my weight yeah so this has become a real new category for Pesach we're getting a lot of questions and we hope to see this category grow it's interesting the one of the most I don't really drink but that you hear what's going on so Stolichnaya is a very very popular very yeah the world right it comes from Russia and Stolichnaya Vodka saw you certified and this year they wanted a no you certification for Pesach even which we granted but the Stolichnaya Vodka is kidney oat so it's legume-based so if you're asking Isaac and you don't need kidney or some hey socks that vodkas not for you but we did certify it could he have brothers and sisters I don't know if sisters brothers that they should be able to have that vodka very nice okay coca-cola well when I was a child in Australia growing up to get a can of coca-cola on pacer you had to know someone was going to America or Israel and bring it in well they're not kids in America either how come we can't get cans in America you have to ask coca-cola they have to want to make it so there were no can we get them from Israel and bring them in I don't know if their cans in Israel either I'm not sure yeah yeah okay so if they are so you could get it if you want to bring cans of coke and be sure they don't they don't explode right in your but I'm glad occasion then you won't have coca-cola coca-cola call but Diet Coke is so exciting to have to pay such I think is at being a pacer chef and I've been very heavily involved in the Pesach food industry for the last 14 years Diet Coke is very new Diet Coke is relatively new it is not been around that are only available in United States not available in Israel you cannot get die-cut your patients know unless you're looking for a no you product in Israel you can't get the Israeli Diet Coke there's only American diet coke and this is a very very popular product and what's most incredible is how a company like coca-cola is so invested in our community and the Jewish community that they make a special run of coke and diet coke - Pesach in Atlanta where their manes I can't even tell you where they make it it's a secret location Shh so I can't tell you where it's made but it's made with a rabbi there that I can't tell you and how do you know that it's kosher for Pesach so that has the unique yellow cap yes we have postilla Pesach OUP on it that's what you got to look for and if you find it now you got costal pace of coke and diet coke because that's almost as important as the wine for the bowel right it's so true it is so true coffee we can't live without our coffees right so coffee is a great issue to talk and I'm I know that decaf coffee really needs a pace a half shot because the process tell me if I'm right I did similar research goofily gonna guide me if it's at Coachella pacer coffee decaf coffee it's got to be certified because the process in which they de caffeine the performance decaffeinate the coffee is got hummus in it close close okay close look at my job okay so the caffeination is the extraction of the caffeine from the coffee correct so you need something to be used to do the extraction some companies use alcohol to do the extraction and as we discussed a moment ago alkyl could be real comets so the only way to know that the decaffeinated coffee you have for Pesach it's kosher Pesach is if it has a good soup that supervised that the decaffeination was done in a manner that's acceptable for Pesach terrific if so great and the quality of coffees have grown like you a couple well this is a major brand this is Folgers and the real thing we love this at home so we're very excited that we're this is now available definitely the instant coffees have come a long way we've got milks we've got masses we've got dairy so these break stone has been around a long time Brixton's burn around forever hundred years okay together with the yo you and it's interesting you take a major national brand Greg stone and look in Hebrew letters they have caution with a are we so proud in the Croatian industry I think it for that our mission or where we are in the world it's a net rank it's a recognition of our community and I'll tell you why I think so because it shows that the people of our community care because if they didn't care then the companies weren't here we're sending a great message the message to the companies that are making food is there's a large segment of people out there they care about kosher and if they if you'll make product to them that's kosher they're gonna buy it right so why talk about theory you know there's all sorts of additives to the milk the vitamins has to be cultural basis so as we were setting up the table before there was a woman who will fire you and says well there's even cultural place of organic milk isn't that incredible another big buzzword in food organic organic absolutely the fact that we can have kosher I mean look what those companies doing they're not making new cartons because that's very expensive and very hard so what do they do in there putting the OUP on the inkjet with a certain telling you the date what's the top there you got the oup we love that and it cheeses from Israel and this cheese's from Israel to Nuvo is a great company we in general love to support Israeli products the two nuga products the stras products the elite products the old sim products these are companies that are owned by our people in his and are so invested in making so many delicious cultures a basic product it was an incredible a friend of mine called me last night and he says he and his family are going to Israel for Pesach and somebody he's probably playing the trick on him and shul told him oh you better bring along food from America because you're not gonna have what to buy you will eat in Israel I said if that's your problem that's not your problem well I will have half of what we're eating here in the United States on Pesach it's coming from Israel so don't take anything along you'll have what's right there's so much crucial food across the world and certified by the oh you from Sydney Australia where I'm originally from where I was last year for two days the bathroom how beautiful is it me gorgeous gorgeous you know from from Sydney to Asha lime and everywhere in between oh you is there to give us great products for over a hundred our whole mission the mission of the oh you it's a communal organization we don't only oh you I don't only oh you unfortunately it's a community it's a community with our message and our mission mission is to bring kosher food to everybody who wants to eat kosher around the entire world and the fact that so many people are into kosher and are following the halacha sand into the dietary rules as well gives us so much knockers one of the things I've always loved and appreciated about the o you with your very accessible I can literally call up the OU's phone number and Google the number oh you hotline a phone number comes up I call you from my phone and literally somebody answer the phone ago hello it's Reenactment calling here can you please help me with this product and there's always someone there that answers absolutely and as I said part of our mission and in our primary mission obviously is to certify food but part of our mission is to educate people and be there to help you and everyone else who have questions about kosher so we have a rabbi whose only job 52 weeks a year is just to answer questions so as I always say we get about 300 questions a week about Oreo cookies then that kosher for Pesach but people are asking our Oreo cookies dairy because they have the oud or they just power of a made on dairy equipment the answer is the dairy equipment and we get that question for example 300 times a week and may be the same person asking the question but we don't know and especially and it's incredible how early in the season it begins we cause before Pesach the hotline explodes and we put more rabbis and more staff available to answer those questions and we have a rabbi that's even available Erev Pesach to answer questions because what happens in the last minute now we're going to talk about the most frequently asked questions that the Oh you get some at all it's so important to check every item that you buy that has the oh you P symbol absolutely it's interesting that you make that point in front of the filter fish section so I want to tell your story it was one year era of yontiff two hours before pay sucks got a call from a woman she just realized that she cooked for Yount of 20 rolls of the filter fish ah and they did not have a Pesach designation so lucky she caught it that's true but she asked me to watch the story they said if the fish did not have of hey Sokka Sokka then the fish is comments the fish log the life right low because they used to is right what did I use red crab breadcrumbs sour remember the oak look how they got leftover right with it so now this woman had 20 rolls of the fish that she had at the Scott Logan filter fish for you on how good the pack was obviously common stick you can't pass you tap at that Lake it's too close to you enter right next you should cashier it and it all was because when she came to the store she wasn't careful enough she thought I'm in the Pesach section it must be called chef and I saw he got a check for that OUP every consumer shopper housewife has to take the responsibilities and also men also homemaker and man can be homemaker and put check as you're putting in a car check for the pee absolutely otherwise you're going to have a catastrophe I'm here with some fresh broccoli has an AUP talked about that process for me well as we mentioned anytime you have a vegetable like broccoli you need to be careful that it's not infested doesn't have any insects thrips athens so you have this broccoli and you'll see it says its greenhouse grown what does that mean for our greenhouse is a closed dome in a cold environment obviously it's going to be clear on the top like the skylight so if you get the Sun and you're controlling the environment that prevent any insects from growing in that environment that doesn't mean that just because it's greenhouse grown it's fine after it's green has grown they check it to make sure it's kosher that it's clean and after they check that it's clean then we could allow them to put the yo-yo symbol on it and now you could have delicious block relief to look florets for Pesach all year round who doesn't love fresh broccoli you know with the explosion of all the Pesach ingredients we've had an explosion of Pesach cereal 20 years ago there was nothing a couple years ago we had one or two items and now look what we've got here right so this is absolutely a testament to what kosher the Pesach means when you start with one item and now you have so many different companies making the product with so many different flavors and varieties they keep on experimenting to keep on making the product tastes better it's getting better and bigger and you have a real alternative for breakfast on Pesach especially if you're traveling you want to be able to have something that's easy to serve a hundred percent kosher and here you have it with no big deal and it's Pesach when I was first married all those years ago I was getting ahead making my Pesach I was being organized and I had my lists and I wanted to know if I could you know I had colored maybe five six days before Pesach and I wanted to start getting cooking and I wanted to use olive oil so I caught up the oh you because I couldn't find anything with a pee on it yet and a quarter of the oh you and their amazing hot line and the rabbi told me that extra virgin olive oil does not need a pee for Pesach it's Rosh Hashanah Peyser or year right I was so excited about that well you know if you look at our directory well you look at the Oh you app where all of our products are listed what we at the Oh you do is if there's a proud everything that has an oh you pee you should know was made with a musky committee there was much gear there for the production but there are certain foods extra virgin olive oil that are kosher for Pesach no matter what so we won't put on all you pee on it because the mosaic wasn't there but we do want to be transparent with our consumers and therefore we tell them you that it's kosher even without the oup that is such great news to hear it you know again that's again part of our education that we want to be completely open and tell you that it's okay even if doesn't have a no you pee it's not all items you have to be very very careful looking at our directory in our app not to make any assumptions yourself but what's listed as always kosher for Pesach go ahead what other items can we count can we feel confident with well the the other very very commonly asked question is water did you buy bottled water without a OUP supervision and if it's the plain water the answer is yes okay that's really good to know when people are out and about on a column or a trip run you will know that you can get water right and when you're packing up your car and you don't have room for anything anyway at least it off the swap rewarding you're standing here in the meat section of gourmet clock which is very very large and has a selection of prepared and seasoned and unseasoned why do we need to make sure that I made is particularly kosher to pacer so that's a great question and I know that many people make the assumption but meat is kosher basis because meat is meat as me right and as I walked by this section I saw the answer myself so let's give you some examples salami okay so this salami happens to because of ASA but salami can be very Neph Khosla basic because there are all sorts of additives right and they're slicing the salami probably wherever they sliced salami here are the same slicer so you can have a slice that's being used for comments you can't use that for face alright then of course this is about as bad as you're gonna get for many reasons Kiska right so I don't know if you would eat disco we make Kiska oh yeah good I love Kisco I never get seeded so Kiska obviously what do you make is go with flour flour so this could be comments comer where's the kishka together with the meat in the meat section right and then the last example I'll give you which is probably the most grievious one is bread right so this I don't know if this is Khosla Pesach or not but it's great everything is labeled to you right make a lot that's why you have to work that it's close to the Passover because they probably I know they have great money come here fantastic rabbi Adler is a superstar superstar and he spends a lot of time and effort hashing the meat room downstairs that everything should be prepared for face offs but before that it's about as hummus together then again right tell me rabbi what makes AUP tuna unique so the oh you policy is that we don't have a full-time as beer on your regular or you to know we have much geese and visiting the facility but we don't have a rabbi there for the entire production of the tuna there are people who want it's a long Calaca decision discussion that want to have the tuner that they eat prepared without rocket to meet us so now they want the old you tuna but they also want the full-time rabbi what's the answer OUP because as I told you previously all all u P products are made with full-time rabbinical supervision people make assumptions that certain things are kosher a pesar for a year and as we've spoken about but let's talk about mayonnaise what specifically do we need to look for and talk about about manner okay so that's a great point that you're raising you know mayonnaise almost everybody recognizes that mayonnaise is a product that needs supervision for Pesach most notably what's the main ingredient in mayonnaise oil so you have to know that you have an oil that's kosher for tay-sachs but most oils are not common there will be kidneys so they're many stardom who eat kidneys on Pesach and therefore they sometimes may make an assumption that a mayonnaise that's kosher then that cost of a paisa can be used without a problem because I don't kidney this is not a problem for me and that's a very incorrect assumption and there are all sorts of ingredients in the mayonnaise besides the oil and even the oil can be processed on the same equipment as Hammad's and therefore don't make assumptions that because you know arm is far D and the hash cockles are Ashkenazi and therefore they're not thinking about us and we should therefrom think for ourselves and assume that we could use the product for paisa you can't make those assumptions we do certify a lot of products as you know oh your kidney up and if it's not certified oh you kicked me out don't assume that it's fine unless somebody who knows something about cashiers told you so you know the attention to detail that even mayonnaise has is going across the oh you desk right there's so many moving parts to every single product that gets at iupi I'm sure them Cassatt just besides the ingredient list on the jars or the bottles it's the processing planet it needs to be checked absolutely we know that our audience I hope so and all the rabbi's that were sending all around the world to supervise and kasher we're busy with Pesach we're already busy with Pesach for next year now I love it 2019 here we come [Music] what is the hardest thing about making pay stuff the hardest thing about making piss off is I guess just the amount of food that has to be prepared so that my kids don't feel like they're stopping lacking or starving and the truth is there are so many snacks today that are available and that you know we could just like go in to form a clot and just like buy like packaged snacks that it's yeah I mean it requires a lot of shopping and a lot of planning but it's doable I think that Kaiba VAT is planning and then stock absolutely go with a plan go with a plan lessons it's very important you know Joey is really one of the most creative cooks I have been the benefactor of some of his creative desserts what creative desserts do you do for Pesach four pieces one is a chocolate mousse cake and we freeze it and it has some whipped cream on top and then we drizzle it with some chocolate liqueur so that's our adult dessert that everybody loves okay you had liquor in it what oh yes everything with the curse I'm here with Melinda Strauss and gourmet clot Cedarhurst we're talking about the daunting task of making pace up it's so has it you know keep ahead and stay on top you are the one of the most organized people I know can you share some tips with us just a little organize the biggest thing for me is writing everything down keeping spreadsheets of all of the ingredients that you're going to need all the recipes you're gonna need making lists I mean there's so many lists available online especially these days on Instagram where you can just keep track of every recipe you're gonna make and don't you know don't have everything you like mixed up and all around and keep a folder keep everything together and keep it organized and write with lists and lists and live that's it that's for me is what you see most organized I think that's a really great piece of advice I know that even keeping receipt from what I spent the year before and riding on a 2018 2017 that way you can reflect back on what you know put money a little bit of money aside because paper can be expensive as well and also the list that you keep save them like you said save them for next year because next year you can go through you can keep track of what did I buy that I didn't you what did I what did I make that I didn't like or that I really want to make again how many people did I make it for so I know if I should double it for next year so don't just make your list but keep them for the next year also cuz you're probably gonna make it again rabbi elephant tonight and to just some of the questions but we know there are so many more you can reach out to us by the website the phone number the app and the kosher paper guide we want to wish everyone a happy kosher pace up [Music]