ASK OU/YU Seminar - 04. What's Bugging You: A Practicum on Bedikas Tolaim

next up would like to introduce Nevada Neil Sharat who's a new addition to our staff hair doe you're kosher we've only had the privilege of no actually meet with him face to face about the day or two until everything closed down the city and everyone was sent scrambling back to their homes in safe quarters but rubbish rot actually comes to us with extensive conscious experience both at the huff K and the RCBC in Bergen County and the PC game sake so for those of you that from sake or or from Bergen County you may have you know run into me and it will place this he also has operated a coach a vegetable company and has expertise in boutiques to life he also holds a degree in mechanical engineering from Notre Dame University and Linton Tilo manoosh lime and Harvard Oscar through Bell sees that cell so we shot will be sharing both two screens so make sure you're able to view both of them every try if you want I can spot like one of them when you're trying to look at some of the creepy crawly things but otherwise take it away though rbl if I like you I guess you could spotlight my phone but for now we'll give it a little like Donal first off would like to thank rabbit Ellis we're working very hard on making this happen in unprecedented times and uh yeah I don't know whose idea was to have a bug just have a bug show during a right before lunch but we'll see what we can do about that so first off when it comes to the modern-day kosher kitchen at home for consumers um probably arguably the most dangerous conscious part of the modern-day kosher kitchen is not possible all of all the chickens and meats were getting our you know kosher certified and okay we may have a question you're there of some choice um milk drops in the cholent or scary we're using an opinion with pot on meat dish and variably more often than not even worst-case scenarios these are typically asserted their opponent whereas when you're bringing in fresh vegetables to your kitchen they couldn't be infested with many many shruts them and as we know every law every Sherrod's can potentially between between four to six labem and if not done properly or cautiously on it could be a very dangerous situation very quickly I do want to mention on it isn't he it is the attachments that rubella sent out to the island that the gomorian Bava metzia docks omotola from the days as a question regarding why by ETS Ryan was it mentioned you know by cure of a dog in our fate to paleis because a college park who says you know I I'm the one who's not pinned between a mystery and a before in Kleiser oh and I'm also maintained and I'm gonna pay back for those who've cheated and swindled fellow you now the Gomorrah has a following question so why does it say you tease miss Ryan by by shots of them so the Gomorrah says because you know even with the question is because you don't really make any money but thereby the other fake weights here big dog in much more expensive and a guy can make a thing it can make a lot of money by by falsifying that whereas my threatened there's really no monetary gain so what why is this mentioned by Ruxin I think Morris at under Barry schmell that it would only say if clay Cyril would only be nisard in not eating struttin the Gemara says it would suffice to redeem class or permits from its Ryan just for that so it's a very very hush of mix ayah that people should be aware of and so with that guy yet for listening so there are a number of questions when it comes to charm produce when you're bringing it into your home first off not everything has bugs for example apples bananas there's no obligation to be concerned um that maybe there's the proverbial worm in the Apple and we have check the Apple before we eat it no because it's very uncommon and because all we're not concerned that you may come to you know eat a worm an apple so that would be what's called me Shane joint Munson something which is uncommon a minority of the time but it's such a mind such a minority that it's extremely uncommon that doesn't usually not take place so that's one category then we moved to another category which is called MIA Tom Watson which means that majority of the time they this prog this particular produce does not have bugs in it that being said you know we go so Minotauro we go better right so majority of time it's clean however it's common enough that cause all said you should protocol do a bedico meaning that you have to be concerned that the presence of shots inand deal accordingly with that which we'll discuss soon so the Michigan is yaakov brings Araya from gomorrah that if you have a hundred barrels of wine you should check ten barrels or ten barrels are considered to be miss rad I'll return it to vinegar then you have to check so initially a coke determines from net that we go the percentage of ten percent all this by the way of today's discussion isn't very nice synopsis regime mr. ribowsky and dafa crackers that is also attached with additional my McComas for those who are interested in looking more into it so we have two categories Nietzsche ain't no Nazi then we have a category which the robe onon obligated a concern of the presence of insects and as a result we Pasha's have to do abba dica now but majority at a time it is not have any presence of insects then we have a third category which is majority of the time it is infested and you have to check and if you don't check and you just eat it blindly that is an assert IRA so we have these three categories and where do we learn this obligation that by a minority all we have to be concerned for well this is famous troupers arash book that we learned it from the dicus area by trace majority of the animals in the world are kosher nonetheless we have the obligation to check the lungs to make sure there are no no circles or lesions so as a result um there's a few miserable and just like that math kameena um there are many Nazca Mina's learning like that if that's from the core because um one example is if wolf for example steals the lungs away or still something else and it was not a shame there's no Kia involved so okay but yeah but it's fine that is going to be very important especially if Robottom are gonna be getting various questions that has to be one has to be cognizant of them the core um for the peeve of a bedico now so as a result let's let's let's have some fun here so I'm gonna take an item which is uh of these three categories um and I don't know which category it is is it majority of time to fast it is that minority of the time infested I don't know well at what point do I start the clock meaning at what point do I determine at what level it is when I pick it up from the ground from the field full of dirt and flies or is it after the normal preparation of things do I at that point once I'm done with the normal preparation at that point do I shots up if it is in me at the muttsy or a or a mullah sleep with my wife so hrabowski in there's a new document um 6c 67 which is attached that discusses this point so contrary to what others may think well you have to determine it immediately when you pick it up off the ground this majority of time is infested well so and as a result of that hi there's a few the deccan now on that particular item very important lotion again there's a key of Vedika on that particular item pay attention to that Washington hrabowski has it's all has addressed this and many other points came as well that that's not entirely accurate um one of the things being is because when you uh sorry when you are determine okay sorry okay one of the things is because no we usually go the normal preparation of things so when a person takes a head of romaine lettuce from the field where it has the soil and they didn't put it on a plane eat it like that so hrabowski is what is this is all you polishes what as well as many other place game shots up after the normal process of washing it and so on and so forth um has been taken place so as a result this has tremendous masks Amina's as when we determined something to be most likely to wine versus just me and Tamotsu in addition what is the fee of boodikka exactly mean meaning I check I'll leave for romaine lettuce and I see yeah you know what there's a bug there okay I did my hippity got crunch no but obviously the pay of bedico when it comes to vegetables is to remove insects because we can't eat them it's very simple and there are many possibilities on how to do that one example is if I have an effective method that's been proven to remove the tylium then I have essentially done my bedico in that particular way and at the Oh you we have many companies throughout the world where we have to verify all methods of washing and the procedures in place as a verification of that and that is essentially the same as checking a leaf so in addition the Russian that I said earlier that there's a human ego on this particular thing at this particular leaf that's not entirely accurate the paduka is on me I have to make sure that there are no bugs here not that there's exam sir cussin that I have to have a kosher eyes on this particular leaf let's say when you have something like a hoagie straw where Russia shot is you have to pay you'd be present watching the milk right it's not entirely accurate that's not the case when it comes to the detail okay now so when it comes to the fee of boodikka on earth and send in paid dollars it has um particularly the rom all right that when you have a prawn idem which is a he of mia tamati baby commander up on them so question is well can i just do a sampling I'll just check a sample I'll make a Kazakh yeah we'll do all that stuff now we're gonna discuss there's gonna be homework for the island those are interested while uh MYSA many agencies including the oh you do implement on particular instances cause up a checking so for that there's a center there's a tooth count the dots of kala kalah of sin and cook off chemo um that really does that discusses this that is also mentioned in the regime s that is attached so and the remote writes that something which is a neocon Matsuri it doesn't help to check majority you have to check all of it meaning I if I check ninety percent that ten percent left over can I just assume it's okay the remote writes no now the Shah and syphilis if cotton caucus explains why remember the core of this habibika from Marea from checking che facin in an animal so can a person check six out of the seven lungs and say it's okay for those that are not aware a bahama does be typically have seven to eight lungs depending on how you count the internet divider but I'll do if I check majority of those lungs but not all of them can I say it's okay absolutely not so if the McCaughey of checking is that so Carl it should be the same exact president no I can't check six out of seven heads of lettuce and assume the seventh one is okay because we're learning it from Saraya now um I wanted this I do want to mention a very flush of Hara here that the reason why but we cannot assume six out of the seven Long's are okay is because past is there are different variables involved with every particular link long meaning where it's situated is it by the bag is it by the front is it by the ribcage if I see something by the ribcage then that could have a bruised by the ribcage and that would help me determine okay I got a big problem now by the lung that's right by that ribcage there's a separate discussion and different variables with regard to every single long now as a result of that one could argue that that is in fact the same procedure when it comes to vegetables meaning there are different parts of the field and you could have one part of the field that's by power lines and prop buses that comment obviously you're not going to do a little good enough job processing that particular area because they're afraid of the power lines or you have by the roads or there's an that but interestingly enough to note which again will make a reminisce the tooth pounded us that when it comes to certain situations where variables are the same such as let's say a greenhouse for example we had many companies that do sample to verify one aside from the process of washing in addition the variables are the same so the two time - that's right so when you establish a Kazakh like that even the rash boat would agree to that which is a very interesting finish and again you know there could be a point distinction just based on the number of variables that are involved so another thing is we need to discuss is today's Mateus you know I used Shiloh's all the time um from people who are a little bit apprehensive how the fact that you know everything has bugs nowadays rabbi oh you have bugs in your glasses you know I remember my parents and grandparents they never did this stuff and in Europe what do they do they did all these crazy things that we're doing nowadays so there are quite a number of explanations for that so first off on the artificial fun brings from the Caillou album very interesting that C is writes in shift cotton sonic all if I believe and just I don't have a moment all this in front of me that the high other says you know because we can have produce in one locality where you have produce a produce be better utterly infested and over there and that stuff nobody eats it but by us in our locality we know that they're totally clean so by us we can eat it by then they can eat it any rights and regarding produce C and D or what have you it's the exact opposite so you find very interesting that many of the place from the cause the famous ties are running schmooze where the they found milk that they found mites or no been in the comic right before Erev Yom Tov and had to throw out all the collars right before yump them um to answer that bet these bugs didn't really exist and never really concern a problem for clothes well in the past is simply inaccurate now when pants is the famous agura syndrome like a curse Malaysia from her emotions it's all oh it's in caleb is a yard eya on cinnamon clove hey now there he writes whether someone had a shiloh you know in Europe he know he'd always find the cabbage just utterly infested and okay but since being in America the past when was how many years he's checking cabbage and he's not finding anything and ash I love her mush it was does he still have a key a baby gonna check nowadays so relation writes something which are which which is very interesting say it points out that this has been that this man is making is not necessarily totally in the mid seus and in itself it's not necessarily poly and just the tenor of things the tether of things is that this cabbage is does have box but in this particular case in the United States that it's Tully on the farmer that is taking care of his crop it's a royal Tully boom ice ax of them grew militia rights so he said he writes listen if someone ought to be maple running cabbage now keep in mind this wasn't I believe in 1969 or 1970 Oh six months after this truth was written the federal government banned DDT on due to the popular look at the time called Silent Spring so the DDT was extremely effective on in terms of in terms of insect pest management when it comes to crops or pest management so um as a result and so he remission rights then that even though you know he hears that one made could be make a look at HeLa you once you're still checked now I do want to point out that what relation telly in the farm this is true then as it is true today um for example there are many farms large farms we're talking thousands of acres um where the have whole and pest management teams dedicated with the chess match of combating and mitigating crop infestation now the reason is obvious because there was recently an article done where a number of cut consumers they order in Disneyland and they ordered hamburgers and they opened it up and the romaine lettuce that was in the hamburger was infested with prote with it with aphids and they had a lawsuit so as a result there there's a lot of involvement where they live at least one a minute now it's not good enough for our standards but it is worth mentioning so now when it comes to methods of checking like I discussed there's washing and there's the classic checking leaf by leaf on a light box now just like we mentioned earlier there is no real gift of a cowboy area on every single leaf which really on the fifth to me to make sure that there are no bet there are no insects here so there's uh there's another method of checking that's done in oh you establishments as well as many other localities where what's called the schemata Vedika now essentially we're gonna walk through the process today but essentially what that is this is a different method it's more effective and more efficient as we'll see where we could actually time checking one leaf by leaf versus doing a shamatha and it's incredible to see how much time it actually saves okay so now we're gonna get we're gonna get going over here let me see okay good so what we have here is a romaine lettuce now what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna walk through that are typical for consumer for romaine romaine since it's being one of the most popular of consumer items this is one of the reason why we're just gonna go through that so obviously first step is to soak the pro rabbi rabbi Elif if you could zoom in if you can highlight my phone for a moment I'd appreciate it Robbi Elif okay whatever so basically what you want to do is you want to smoke um you want to put the water in a soap like this and you notice how loose it is I've been in many places where you'll have people literally with this amount of water have an overflow of romaine and as long as one tip of water touches it ah okay I did my washing bit good no no no it has to be loose in the water and it has to be soapy now what you do is when you let it soak agitate it move it around and let it get nice and soapy after that's done you let it sit for a couple minutes the next step would be when you're gonna take the leaf of romaine lettuce what you want to do is obviously look at all the soap on right so we want to do is hold the leaf upside down because these ridges will notice the float if you hold it upright the water is just going to go over it whereas if you hold it upside down the water is gonna flow much better through there and it makes it much more effective washing now over here we have a little curve ball these notice over here the folds of the romaine lettuce see that so when you're rinsing it over you want to open up those folds and again just put some water through there great your washing is now complete now I'm just going to explain the method of checking over here it's then what you will do then is after you've done this you're gonna put it let's say in a basin like so of plain water second point water like this you see just plain water I'm gonna agitate it now what I want to do is once I a jeté tit I want to take their leaves out of the water this is important because as we'll see in a moment when I pour the water I don't want to have it blocked by by a whole thing of uh of leaves okay so see how I'm taking it out carefully now once I've done that we're going to now go ahead and do our that is is over here yeah what's called a nylon rip mesh now essentially what it's going to it's going to filter the water so instead of checking the water which some places do like this you know there are many levels and gradients within this body of water and essentially what I can do is I can just kind of compress that on to one simple layer to check so I'm checking the water is essential is it is it is a effective measure to help me determine is my washing procedure done because invariably when you're rinsing things off box come off now what we're going to do is notice how there are two strainers here the reason why there are two strainers is because any large leaf matter will get caught in the top strainer and okay wherever Elif said he's gonna try to get back on hold on a second but anyways the two the second strainer is going to block any heavy leaf material from blocking my view of the mapa as we like to call it the industry as a schemata bedico and what we're gonna do here is very simple we're just gonna pour the water over here and we're gonna check bugs now rub a when ready Elif comes back on on - please just highlight my phone in the event that he does not I request a limb to kind of focus on robbing phone so now we have our smoker just water to make it nice now we are going to start to develop into a very very interesting topic of discussion if you look online there are an incredible amount of sources of procedures on how to check and attached is oh you policy in terms of how to attack every single individual type of produce that that there is but what isn't really so it's not it's very difficult to do online or virtually is to actually show and demonstrate the bugs and their sizes which you're gonna have many not Khomeini's as we go on ok anybody know what this is it's a dollar bill right now we're gonna start discussing exactly what type of bucks either so I request them to look at my rubbish Eric phone so if you take a look over here take a look over here you'll notice right here every dollar bill has it series 2009 here's a 10 here's a $10 bill series 2013 so everybody can see this this is not really a shiner the height of this the height of one letter let's say by the S or by the nut everybody to is one millimeter tall just to really give there we go you see that everybody can see that nice and clear beautiful now what happens is we're gonna start by bugs which are very common we're going to go down in size we're going to go to bugs which everybody agrees is a problem to more controversial bugs and last but not least which many places new if not all would agree are not a problem but you get the pleasure of actually seeing them today and comparative in size so you saw the series 2009 over here I don't know if it's a federal crime to damage of federal property such as a dollar bill so I may or may not have damaged the dollar bill on this process so over here we have in a light box series 2003 a single dollar bill now next to it we have what's called an aphid a Fitz can be green they could be they could be red they could be black they could be translucent you are what you eat in this world so if you if in2 shots it up it's you know aside from being incredibly large it's also a lot much larger than a one millimeter this bug according to everybody is going to be a problem now when it gets more interesting is even its babies which the price can discuss that you know you have little tiny bugs that are green in the same color as the leaf that poshness is referring to if it's now at the end I may or may not depending on time and if people are eating lunch right now um this isn't pregnant and a baby and a fydd can reproduce up to every 20 minutes a new baby and if we pop this guy you're gonna see a whole assembly line of bugs ready to go but that's that's that's an a thing now just to compare and contrast we're gonna move on to the next Schmoe these are also very very common and this is where majority of these this is called a threat now majority of these bugs are a problem but we're gonna show the different life stages and there are a few Nakatomi notice with regard to their size before I forget let me get that I want to get that that piece of $1 here we are okay so we have our Series 2013 right there and I want to grab a thrip and show you its size let's get a little moist look easily on the toothpick sorry for the nitty gritty this is the reason why it you know especially virtually a lot of people don't do this sort of thing so let's take a look at an adult thrip it's all it seems that if larger than one millimeter which everybody can clearly see now these are typically going to be this size and color now conversely I want to show you what a baby looks like now there are many stages of babies for example we have a large baby this is in star stage 2 and I'm going to once I'm once I line them up I'll put it on the jeweler's loupe for a magnification which we're going to discuss as the but the next stage where Todd wearing to discuss smaller bucks and how locket ramifications on that and I'm going to show you a baby baby okay now look at that so there are a number that the lifecycle of a trip is important to know because there's the larvae stage the crawler stage in start stage one in starts to age - until you reach reach the adulthood now the adult trip as opposed to the babies notice how the abdomen is striped as well as it has wings now interesting Shila is well we know that shruts in that fly have an extra life now a threat does not actually use it to wings to fly what it does it just uses its wings as a parachute if it wants to go somewhere else it'll jump and catch a breeze and use its wings to transport so technically they don't fly but nonetheless to have the presence of wings and clappa shamaya it's interesting exactly how many live in this particular blood bug would be now we see kind of like a buffer right next to it but that is pretty close to a one millimeter not quite but it's still problem all as or moisture rights or promotions quoted by many placement as at least stating to rub against injuries now we're gonna get closer and i apologize for the quality it's not it's not really coming through so well on the zoom but never next to it this little itty-bitty guy is a baby baby trip now he looks about 0.3 to 0.4 millimeters that is very very small even with Rett magnification it is difficult to detect to a normal eye now I want to show something something we're gonna go back to here now we're going to discuss size this obviously is a $10 bill and we can all clearly read that series 2013 but I wonder if anybody ever noticed next to it and there's a every dollar it has it's interesting trick like this next to it there is some writing along that line can anybody read what that says on a $10 bill it's very hard to determine that Oh what it says and even it's very difficult for me and I'm considered a real big expert you know the United States of America $10 that just repeats itself over and over again so that is approximately zero point two millimeters in size which at the very least od policies many men as well as many play skin well are not nearly nine not visible to the naked eye easily unless the caveat obviously being what if you see the Sherratt scroll which we might see soon then the troops are read then it's obviously ushered because you know it's above you can obviously detect that it's a bug otherwise wouldn't be moving fine but that's a caveat aside yeah we've discussed trips and aphids which we have to have a legitimate concern about in our produce and also I believe attached with regard to the oh you guys for checking will tell you which bugs you have to be concerned about trips or aphids or whatnot now we're going to get into a very controversial blog in Halawa called spider mine now the spider light reason why it's controversial is because of its size many many spider mites are not nearly enough just primarily due to its size where did I put that all right whatever so whereas whereas let's say you could have some species now there are thousands of species are very stuff every type of insect so there are thousands of species of spider mites um some of them not all of them are actually quite large and problematic but majority of the time when we're discussing produce and spider mites majority of the time they are very very small so here I have a shamatha of mint and over here we are going to have hundreds upon hundreds of spider mites now I just gave you just like we saw you see that that that guy in the middle is a threat you see those little dots that surround it those are spider mites now just for fun what we're gonna do is we're going to compare it on our $10 bill to actually measure its size and very likely it's not going to be noticeable evil you you can't even see it it's smaller than those letters so here we have a bug which is not uh sir alcohol level this is called the spider mite now again like I said earlier when it comes to determining when it comes to determine the PIA for me at the monthly this is actually stated in the u s-- document c76 on how you determine the level of vietnam leslie even though you could find sometimes you know something really infested but we determined mia thomas emo secure me a chain of muttsy we like to take a look at it comment lyric unity so majority of the spider mites which may or may not work which are not a problem even though you would have a me at the species would say I think they're called spider mite destroyers a species of spider mites which eat others and other mites maybe larger but we are alert looking globally or at least regionally as the hawk Masada wrote earlier when it comes to the level of infestation now I didn't forget to mention that obviously in these sixties and seventies and even before then in the 50s and certainly in the cosmos Adams time in the orcish opens time that the global economy that we have today is where I could get produce from any in the world anywhere in the world on a daily basis and the fact that you have that ability um we you know makes things much more difficult and obviously more common in terms of the infestation throughout the world kind of reaching a similar a similar thing now I just here we have another very very very scary bunk the reason why it's scary is because when it rains it pours not like a threat or an aphid where you could find one or two or three okay fine that's it that's not really live a life when it comes to sharks at all the exception to that is called the white fly now in general it's not a common find but in many establishments if typically white flies are found you know unless the bottle of boss is going to want to spend all day long on one or two heads of kale or something along those lines you know it's obviously a very good business decision to just not deal with it especially when you're dealing with your kitchen it's always kadai plus if you need one bundle of cilantro to always buy two because you don't want to become emotionally and physically invested and one bundle that could be infested where it's just an extra 90 cents to have an extra bundle in case it's always a good you know practical decision I'm not luckily practically okay so here is an example of what a real interests Asian looks like these are white flies now we're gonna discuss eggs as well as different larvae stages and it comes very interesting discussion but first off you see all this schmutz over here see all that schmutz all that she was not the leaf matter this is leaf matter talk about what looks like dirt that is not dirt what that is our eggs all those are eggs from white flies um one white flight female lays between two to four hundred eggs in a shop and they're very sticky and it's just an incredible thing now when it comes to the eggs eggs are when it first off these are not nearly nine just FYI because their size in addition their eggs they're not shruts them so there's a very interesting discussion regarding the short sandwiches of eggs which think for now is beyond the scope of this discussion what I want to point out is let's see if I can find whirring what is the stages of in a second here the stages of this so what I have here this is a white fly larvae that little circle guy over there now he just got gets bigger what happens is once the egg hatches what happened it becomes a little crawler it goes somewhere you know a little a little bit farther from where it hatched and then there he is right there you see I see him what happens is they then dig themselves into the leaf and then they flatten and they become almost like an insect skill now in terms of their size they are actually surprisingly big we're going to put a next the series 2013 I push them a little you is it he's quite significant in size he's about they'd say like 0.6 to 0.7 millimeters now things with this guy is he's so embedded and stuck in the leaf it's very hard to remove them and I guarantee you that when you find presence of white flies like this you're going to find more that are actually embedded in the leaf so that is essentially an idea of a topic where you can have bugs which are us are locally owned oma to bugs which become a very interesting life like us or gray area because at what point you draw the line this is a problem this isn't some pie scan would determine maybe its esophagus or whatnot especially if you want to get a Schuyler like that which produce are you talking about what type of bugs are typically involved in if you've got a call Arab Shabbos from a woman saying oh she checked her vegetables but she mixed in with other vegetables she didn't check so what should she do and it's right before Shabbos well one of the questions that um Robottom have to know is well what type of vegetable are you talking about and to me that's gonna tell me what type of bug am i discussing as well leveled into station as well as the size uh-huh and what was done on some way an interesting like to note even though because time it's slightly different but again going back to our McClure with a kid but because just like motika Saraya what happens if a wolf or to come and take away the lungs and there was no Chea involved opened yeah but it's fine that's another thing where we have to be aware of aware of these various variables and McClure's when discussing the decline in the modern day kitchen so i with that i have already put in the group chat my email address if anybody has any questions or follow-ups and i guess right now you willing to take any questions did those uh big bugs that were bigger than a one millimeter do they come out of the romaine lettuce that you watched us there are those are out of other vegetables that was already prepped actually you know what let's have some fun so what I've done is just make things quicker for the purpose of this presentation I just actually have the romaine lettuce soaking in soap water I just took one of the three heads that I had and put it in water if you want to see what infestation looks like you know before in the washing we get to kind of take a look right now let's just put this over here now this is just from one head of romaine lettuce and we're gonna have what let's go hunting see if you find any goodies so I already have here could you all highlight my phone rubella or for those that could highlight it so we already have it's hard for me to seal without you know so we already have one right there an adult trip like we mentioned earlier because you can see by the abdomen as well as the as well as the as well so that's one we have another one right over here we got two we have three four I mean this happened to be a good batch the reason why I know is a good batch is because and this is a good eights of for anybody that's going shopping is if you want to go if you when you're buying roaming fresh romaine lettuce which is very delicious I might add buy a bag before you buy it blindly take two 15 seconds look around if you see a bug don't buy it very simple because when you're going to experience my personal experience as shown if you find a bug on the outside that means there's more inside that does not necessarily mean that if you don't find anything in out that oh I don't have to do a caper take you know that's not the case so over here we found at least six or seven threat adult Fripp's I haven't seen any babies yet so that is just uh you know that's the you see why it's important to wash your vegetables before eating before consuming them okay next question when could one assume that all the bugs have been washed off I see that from Doug Fink in the channel excellent question this is obviously you know there are many variables when it comes to even your normal kitchen for example the water pressure the size my thoroughness versus my wife's thoroughness or my kids or who knows what and as a result of all these variables you know one could assume that all bugs have been washed off when they have verified that this particular method has been very effective in removing shrunken so as a result we have many facilities where they do they process a number of vegetables and one of the processes of kosher certification to verify that their washing method has been effective now you try to verify well it's very simple they're bugs and the end product or not you know it's in the proof is in the pudding after you've done your method of checking a method of washing and you've checked for a significant amount of time for a significant amount of seasons like the artificial time the pre colors also right that you cannot assume from one season to the next or even from one year to the next but we're not good but it's very least that you've been doing this method for quite a number of times and you've never found anything and you know what bugs look like obviously then at that point one could assume that essentially their method of washing is effective um two questions I have are one if you're checking like romaine lettuce and you find in one head that there's an infestation of either um after it drips or aphids or whatnot or even multiple types at what point would there be a whole lot like requirement to throw it out and to not even check the other ones or where they're not be asked question Romo writes very clearly but there's no there's no code that you can master the roaming because the romaine the vegetable inherently and in itself is kosher it's just there's a mitigating factor that there's something a foreign object on there that's preventing me from eating it so how logically you can never really assert a produce I mean that unknown specifically I'm sorry yeah even that bundle that being said you know or your policy for example as well well many agencies you know do have a recommendation that after three times of washing it and then checking afters and you still find throwdown you're just you're just gambling you know and especially when you're praying paying wish Kiev to sit there and work on it that costs a lot of money and you know it's it's usually best for everyone involved to just move on to a different problem different item right and my second question is thank you my second question is if you take get it buy a package of fresh romaine lettuce and you check one head and it's fine can be like you check with your I like looking at it not doing nothing from the outside of the package no no you bought it you brought it home you checked one of the three heads usually those three and you checked it by looking at it under light properly not even doing the soap and all that which is fine if you like the other two if you're only doing three heads the answer is essentially yes you know four I think you're gonna have to look at the two combi das exactly when because like a checking would apply but for in a small situation at your home like yourself you would have to follow the room on the shock that you have to check all three heads okay thank you so much okay okay another question is what's the guidance on parsley so you know in terms of going through every single particular item is beyond the scope of this class because there are quite a number of vegetables so for that I'm just going to defer to the oh you documented any specific questions you always you know me um let me just type in my email address one more time for the hilum okay question any other questions do anything I wouldn't say that's not considered an era because if you look at a leaf it out like putting under a light box like that's a concern earrings I don't see it on the leaf itself I mean sense of the Pisceans camouflage is not really a factor when it comes to determining the pisser in addition there's a Gillian Marsh Shaw on the page in chalk Americans in the paid eyelid which brings to the second guy's face I shift my second eyeless if Sunday I believe or summon him oh um that discusses the following situation you have a guy looking at a bomb full of herbs he's looking he's looking he's looking rabbi I don't see anything so the Knesset erga dialogue grabs it from the guy bangs it and you see all the bones start crawling around and yeah and obviously you know in any way what that means is you know I simple effective measures to help us determine the presence would has already told us that there is a presence and seus dictator so you know even though we don't have it here to do really crazy ways of checking or destroying certain produce in the process like really destroying not just washing it three or four times that's something different you know then then essentially you have to do a certain you have to do simple things like that like banging or what have you to determine the presence of insects and just because you can't see it over here you know it doesn't mean it's not there necessarily again you know again I you know it comes to specific surrounding every certain type of produce again I would just take a look email me or look at the oh you chart it's attached okay any other questions our bailiff questions in the chat oh okay if one is at someone's house and is unsure if they had washed their vegetables properly what should they do I'm gonna pass on that question it's a very good question and it there's a number quite a number of variables that have to be asked before answering a blanket question like that in general so okay let's see what time is it now I guess we'll take one more question and then we'll move on you think water even two more questions we're gonna take a 5-minute break until 12:40 well ten minutes over here so you know if you want to take more questions if you want to take a break we can do both okay I'll take two more questions then what about those bags for soups that they that say they keep in the bunks well you know it depends if they're kosher certified to verify that fact but obviously you know for example with these with these with these Martha's the whole size you know does not allow any bugs to come through so I guess I'm not really familiar with any particular product you're referring to what is my assumption is it has a legitimate kosher certification then one could assume that the holes are going to withhold back any shots industrially triple washed lettuce have lower instances and infestation so if we're talking about protocol triple washed you know Taylor farms or but they have no certification on it the answer is absolutely not they are they can be really infested and the triple wash is essentially nothing it's just a bunch of mist at times and you know I jokingly say sometimes that the count if it rains that's also one of the three washes that it goes through um so one cannot just since it says triple washed and even if it has a KO or C symbol on it one would have a biggie Costel I'm just going to jump in over here two things one is that in this form we don't recommend we don't take a stance in any other house balco's the only thing is someone asked if we have all your publication where the kalua different types of bugs reference so if you actually take a look we did give a little bit of a cheat sheet four pages in your source book with different methods for checking and cleaning vegetables there's that actually part of our larger we sell online because I owe you coaches website the guard ditch vegetable and Penn State uh checking vegetables which will give you more clearly the pictures and descriptions only needs to be done as well thank you a bailiff any other questions is anything bugging anyone else okay thank you very much a bit schrott for most informative and lightning enjoyable and definitely descriptive presentation we're going to take a for the ten minute break now and