The Sale of Yosef by Rabbi Neil Winkler

there are two things I I have to I'm going to be doing today uh I have uh I had a lot to say last week which I didn't really complete if you recall we both were here last week we discussed not only Abraham and the malim including the fact that one of the three was actually KES himself and how I came and then I ended up by telling you going through when he was uh discussing with God about the destruction of sadome he went to 50 40 and 30 when he went down and even then I showed how each of these things were actually weighing upon God's midot his own characteristic his his own whether it's Justice and and the last time with 10 uh 10 was he was basically abam was begging G he said justce the right they don't belong they don't deserve it but 10 he said you have R give rah so that was what we saw but what I did not do and I I I'm not going to say the word failed to do I didn't get around to doing um I used to ask one of my earlier I the first year I was in okay make com I used to say I think it was in my first Sho my first Stella was in Cincinnati for a year and I used to say to him I I used to tell the people I remember I wrote it once I said we are selling to it um to it Tui T so the people said what's the to it I said I don't know but every time I ask people to do so I'll get around to it so I'm looking for round to it because I never what it is uh I didn't get around to it so therefore I didn't complete it so I want to do for the first few minutes is to finish up what we had done I don't want to leave you hanging I'm sure many of you can sleep for a week figuring what happened with Lo and and what so that's what I'm going to do now so therefore I have a separate this is next one a separate uh um same one actually I gave last week and really all you those you need for the what we didn't do last week is number nine that's what de deals with the story of loot so that will take just a few minutes and then I will give out to you the marote for um for the story that we're going to do today and I'll give you I'll give you that that introduction when we get to it okay so right no no no you're on the wrong page now we're going back to what we did last week right number same thing it's the same thing as last week I don't know if this is again this is what we did last week we didn't get quite to number nine which in the English is simply the back page no it's not there that's this week over here that's what we have to do okay so if we just look at that the English one you want the Hebrew one so number nine you want just the English it's over here number nine okay and I'm starting I started saying I'm starting you have from last week uh no okay I'm starting about what we left off last week I never touched upon this the the three as they come to Lo so that's basically just this over here the last thing and then from there we'll get to this week's okay so that's how I'm going to handle it to this week and I hopefully I I don't even think I'll be able to finish what I want to finish this week and that's okay too um I think I told uh you were told that Amir of course next week will end up being in sh um but after that in two weeks when we have right before y Kipper I will be coming and I'll be taking in these the um time slot of RAB by to I'll be here at 10: was it 10:30 or 10:20 I'm not sure so I'll be there for that it might be a little easier for people women especially who usually have to leave on the Thursdays maybe to do some shabas now it'll be earlier for them and um I hopefully I that would be hopefully that will bring some more people and also people will be more aware of that but at any whatever it is it is so again I'm going to start with the story of the malim there are two of them now who are going to Lo because the third one going to the Ezra is of course God himself who was having the conversation with um Abram as to whether or not to destroy and Amora and the other two cities according to the most um there there was no need because every Mal has one mission to fulfill the one mission of telling AAR about having a child or according to other another midash to to uh to cure or um how I say don't word cure really AB from the um surgery of the Brit mil either way that didn't have to come the other two were coming to so there we have two two and as we see in as I gave out here you see the um what happened there and we're just going to review that and I and we'll analyze that and see how it compares to what happened with Abraham and the malim so we see what I I came gave here as the sewers two Messengers arrived in s in the evening as lot was sitting at the Gate of s when Lo saw them he rose to greet them and bowing down low with his face to the ground he said please my lords turn a start to your servant's house and spend the night wash your feet and then you may be go on your way but they said no we're going to spend the night here in the Square you know the when it says which in matter in Hebrew we say it's in the street but ROV come the word comes from the word raav which means wide open and uh indeed often what there were open areas in a these these towns I ha call cities we think of cities like you know New York City was you know they had a number of families and there was an open area where they would gather uh and in fact the M when it talks about what happens they say you take it out to the ROV or in the Torah it talks about the um the city the it says you take you take everything out elov doesn't mean to a street me to the open area so any rate um they said we're going to stay in this open area here I was saying outside we're not going to come to your house um but he urged them strongly and so therefore they turned his way and they entered his house he prepared A Feast for them and baked unleavened bread and they ate um before they even laid down the Town Council and the uh militia of sedom uh both the insignificant people and the influential ones the whole assembly without exception gathered around the house that's a part we going to focus on okay that's a nice story M disy will bring it up I'm sure in the movie soon that's the story that we have in the Torah but as I said I want to take this and I want to compare it and perhaps contrast it to the events of the Angels when they came to um Abraham so let's see um AB was sitting where when the uh when the malim came I don't remember where shave right by the tent right in the middle of the heat of the day well similarly to a degree we find that L was sitting at the Gate of the city uh as well um now getting back to a little a little of what we did last week the Torah when it says especially in and uh we speak about when take out them to it's not simply the gate the outside gate of the that's to it was all a place of right court and judgment they went do that Court they went to they went to the judges so it's interesting here yes he sat by the um gate gate also means judge so now you understand you know kazal say you know oh it's a med you know because he's he just had become a judge who says he was a judge ah K understood that sh why even mention he was sitting at the Gate of the year who cares what he was sitting but it would he sat there as a judge so that's why we have the midash and RAB tell us that ah he just had become a judge he was a judge whether yes or not but at least you know the source as to why Rabbi said said perhap that meant that he was a Jud okay good so any rate um he was sitting I was he sitting at means he was sitting in judgment he was at the gate he was sitting in in judgment right who also was asked to judge wasn't God asking Abraham to judge with him whether he should destroy Dome or not remember I was telling you that the three malim According to some was because they were meaning a ba a court three that's why they had three at any rate so it's similar to them he's sitting at the coure at the like sitting at a tent he was sitting perhaps as judgment as somewhat Abraham was doing and deciding whether or not to destroy interesting and L like Abraham greets the people doesn't ignore them he greets him when he sees them approaching he invites him into his home just like Abraham we have a basically a negative feeling about poor Lo wasn't such a bad guy you know he was very much have brought up in Abraham's home yeah we all have a little discomfort I would call it when we think back yeah but if he was brought up by ABR why didn't he hang around with him right we remember in the be before this L makes the the uh decision that he's going to be you know God when there was an argument between the the Shepherds of lot and those of Abraham right Abraham says let's let's part one from another and he choses to go to do and the Torah very un it's it's a rare thing uncommonly the Torah at that moment says a simple verse really it's a comment which isn't part of the real whole story at that point and it said oh by the way says one thing and by the way the populace there inome were very very iniquitous a nice word h they sinned a lot to God against God and they were immoral it's a very simple word to use and that's you walking back I I get so many things to tell you and understanding the Torah the Torah when when the Torah says I'm sorry I'm walking around I shouldn't um the Torah when it wants to say something is immoral in the especially in bit it uses the term of Kim God-fearing you know and I didn't want to go to this place at Abraham because because I know it was not God-fearing which meant it was immoral too on the other hand uh and here you have it doesn't mean they stick out their stuck out their tongues and God it's not what they did but were they immoral there was a basic moral kind Torah no Torah when we talk about Noah these are societal laws that were expected to everybody to do that thou sh sh not kill should not be oh I couldn't kill because toah says Thou shalt not kill it's because it's a moral law I wouldn't do something like that I shouldn't do something like that at a a um history Professor who told the story that his son was learning in Yesa you know he's ELD he was older already it wasn't like he was a eighth grader he was already post high school and and uh he wrote home letters in those days he didn't make phone calls from Israel you want to make phone calls to Israel it's probably easier to fly home and then talk to them and come back phone calls in Israel in those days very difficult so they wrote you know the one of these wonderful light blue sheets uh where you and you write about this small and your mind are right so he writes one of the things he said something had happened about someone had taken something so he said you know he said when tempted ever tempted to take something that's mind I don't think and say oh my God God said that I can't sah says I can't steal so I don't steal he said I would never even think of it part of your moral fiber is such that you are just an person who would never do something like that that's the basic morality that is expected of all mankind God expects that don't murder don't steal you know these are the things that are basic thing and when it says is a very simple thing in Israel in English I would translate they were immoral simple as that they were immoral okay anyway he was and L chose to live there that's why I'm saying we're a little uncomfortable about it so there he is and but he invites these people in you know this is a even in the in today you if you ever took that trip down towards uh the Dead Sea and you pass always every tour tour gu that that they pass by a bed in Camp and they slept you in you you can you can ride on the camels and they always invite you in I wasn't looking for a big steak when I got you know they invite you in because they always that's part of their culture they always always will invite you as guest in comes from Abraham they always did that um in fact the whole thing they said they give you bitter coffee you know they might stab up in your backwe you know it's a whole big thing of this but at any rate that's true cultural thing and there he is he invites them in just as Abraham that you learned from Abraham um the Angels never meant to go inside they were going to sleep outside right that's what they said uh they only wanted to go to sto and then get out of there that's what they wanted to do I'm not going to spend spend time explaining that is a story in in uh where um God gives one angel I'm sorry a na'vi a job to go into a wicked City there's ba at the time and he said go in and then just give the message and get out of there and the the Nai was eventually put to death not put to death but God s him that he died he was actually eaten by wasn't a lion nice um uh because he hung around there for a night and God says get out of there what there's such an immorality there and that seems to be over here also there's such immorality God said you know R there and just get out of there so anyway they did stay However initially um something by the way they didn't have to do with Abraham right they never were in any way reluctant you know to have a cup of coffee with Abraham they did have a problem with not uh so we might see oh he's like but today were also reluctant outad and about sto obviously so it's interesting to imagine that perhaps um they stayed there to find out you know what was Abraham arguing did he do it before was he still arguing with God at the time that there was L we don't don't know exactly what's going on TimeWise but didn't God abam say how about 50 how about 40 how about 30 God says no no no no and maybe it was what happens here and basically God finds out that indeed there are not even 10 good people in s that's how he knew I mean God knows it anyway but yeah that that's that's a Gody thing he does so there weren't even 10 that would save the city um and like Abraham L feeds his guests very nicely he didn't rush around like his Uncle Abraham did in getting Abraham ha Abraham he doesn't do that because there was no need to do so there was no need so as he said he didn't have his wife involved in it that what a rabbi say the wife wife didn't do it because she wouldn't want to she um it was seemed that Lo couldn't even ask him to do such a thing what are you bring and K pick up on it right away because the fact that she turned around and got became a big Soul Shaker was uh another another indication that she wasn't really great um but so he didn't do it as Abraham did because that's a big difference there but like Abraham he does prepare them a nice repast he gives them you know um M this doesn't mean a party by the way it means something to drink it's a a drink from the he also baked mat up being it was on and so and so forth right very simple thing we had guests they weren't staying for a long time they didn't want to stay at all so he had make it quickly how do you make something quickly like bread quickly Mato which is very fast boom boom boom anything right so he does it and and they ate very nice but the crucial difference between the the guests entering into the house of Abraham as opposed to the house of L was of course the story ter before they were able to go to sleep whole whole town gathers around elderly significant and not significant ones and they demand to release the guests to them and give go to them which of course never happened in the story of Abraham and this outlandish really the outlandish event established already two essential truths about what's happening here they now had the response the Angels now had the response uh as to whether there are any righteous people in s that's why the Torah is very careful to say everybody was there because there are and there were no righteous people there he proved it right here right and um if everyone was invit involved in this horrific plan it wasn't just we want to go out and you know have a cup of coffee with them discuss politics that wasn't why they wanted him to be thrown out they wanted to obviously um mistreat that as a nice way of putting it okay um and but because of that let's look at the opposite Abraham Abraham when he had to um bring in the Angels there was no danger for him L's Act of H was an act of it was a dangerous thing for him to do and nonetheless knowing who these people are he quickly puts them in probably that's why he told him you can't stay outside you better come in with me and he's willing to really risk his life and th those that of the family or those of the family with the people in the family be in order to this so look at it in that those terms you say hey this L guy ain't so terrible that's a tremendous uh sacrifice to do and that's what he does okay and later on with his story which I had don't have in the source but I'm sure you saw in the movie you know he even offers his daughters to these people pounding on the doors um because uh he says just take them but don't harm my guests now you and I may not be too thrilled about that well what a great guy he's gonna give his daughters to them but it does show the significance or the importance of the idea of you have to save people innocent people that's what we we learn from that and in that way his Acts were really even greater than those of Abraham think about it it's pretty remarkable [Music] um in the end Abraham begs for please maybe 50s uh righteous 40 30 10 God said no abam said all right and he went away had nothing to do so the pleas of Abraham really didn't really accomplish much if anything more than showing how wonderful Aram was true but what happens because of lot and what he did right um in the end of the story is everybody killed in snow well not Lo right Lo is saved but more than that he also saves his daughters and his wife they do Escape he would have had his sons-in-law too but you know Sons in- law you can't always trust them you know they made trouble themselves and they couldn't but he could have he could have had they believed L they would have been saved too right but they didn't and when and this is the part that not everybody remembers when he is exhausted from the slepping up the hills in the middle of it's a hot area over there D let's face it um it's he's slepping along there and he says I'm exhausted I can't go on he says God please I know you plan to destroy sto and one more one more um so yes mitz so so he says please please hello MIT please save that city of MIT it's a little city of mitar means little but but so I can go there and he saves one of the five cities Abraham couldn't Lo did so we can't make this is a simple story she's He's the bad guy and ab is the good guy he had some remarkable um positive things and what does God even say God says he he said you know what I hear what you're saying and I'm going to give into what you said he didn't say that to abrah he says it to L so there you have it two stories one in one in paracute one for Abraham one for lot and one for S and one for I think all of Israel in effect um and all the world why because of the simple thing of kindness that's why we're told in right in the beginning that the world can be established and built through kindness this is the perfect example what kist can do okay so I finished what I wanted to finish last week is that okay good okay now we can start what we wanted to do this week now and I told you I'll give you an introduction there are good reasons for introductions besides wasting time the idea of an introduction here I want to show you what it is what part of what I mean when I say trailblazing through the tent text of tanak one of is not the most recognizable most known story in tanak and in brai is the story of yoseph and his brothers right I mean doing good cartoons about it movies it's oh it's very popular everybody likes the story and of course if you haven't seen the play got Joseph and his technical Dr Co coach is is played every single year in New Jersey in the big F New Jersey every year haneka time every single year it does the end of December it's unbelievable because of the co co and stuff they they didn't for a couple years and they're back to doing it again it's that popular um everybody knows the story but I want to show you the text and if I have to tear down some of your assumptions I I don't care I want to let you see another side to the story I want you to see how we might understand it and I want you to see just as I did now uh in talking about L that maybe the brothers as much as they did Terrible Things not quite as as terrible as we would think it was and as we've been taught it was part of the problems that we have in learning these wonderful stories where you in fourth grade oh boy you I know you steal from there over time I know that that's right uh the problem is truthfully um is that did you bring that already no okay good here it is here we is what two I'm saving you you know that so whatever you'll give in later on uh is learning precisely what does the taex text itself tell us now I'm going to also given introduction by telling you I'm not going to be finished today nor next week I'm going to have about three different discussions let's let's say as a as I said often that since I've gone to Israel I've learned to forget much of my English but that's okay because I've also forgotten much of my Hebrew so it works very very well um presentation is the word I'm going to say uh I'm going to hope people give you about three presentations one today about the entire story of yoseph and his brothers and I think hopefully you will learn from it and U I hope you're going to enjoy it it's a fresh view of the well-known biblical story um and uh it is a when looked at uh very openly and not and very objectively we have a serious problem we have a serious problem because um much of what we have taught from traditionally from what tell us and what we were learning when we were coloring the books in third grade um is not quite what it says in the text especially one verse that takes everything upside down um so when I I I have attempted it to I have a number of times presented this approach it's not my Approach no I'd love to take credit for it also also um but because it undoes much of our traditional view of what it is some people came very very uncomfortable and I don't them don't be uncomfortable I'm just giving you a presentation of what else and how else we can look at it so uh don't be too uncomfortable right um I want to begin by telling you you know says that [Music] um man has many plans but it's what God wants that eventually happens know yish they said man plans God laughs um and we all have our own plans I can go through number of enemies around our neighborhood who had their plans God does what he's going to have to do now that that is an introduction to this entire story that's the story of tan basically man makes his decis decisions right he carries out his own agenda and in the end somehow it's what God always wanted to happen anyway so it's an important thing a concept in life you know we say know where was God that that God another one of my many consci God does not have and does not usually wear at least when I talk to him a a a a red cape and flies down and fixes everything up that's not how the world Works God impacts History either by changing it or by not changing it and allowing it to be that's what we call giving man the right to choose if God took away that right if every time you started walking when you set woke up in the morning and you TI your shoes starting with your right shoe when is that you have to after putting shoes in your feet in your shoes you have to tie your left shoe and God sees that and throws down a lightning bolt and Fries you nobody's going to be sinning whoever does won't be around so that's what it so it doesn't work that way the the understandable frustration about terrible things whether it's October 7th or whether it's the Holocaust where was God the answer is well where was man it wasn't God who did what happened to the to our people some other men who did that so anyway um that's really the story of of ysf Rashi says it right away right away uh and in the beginning of the story where it says that um that um yob sends Yosef fromon from the valley of Kon and R says look I've never been to Israel but I know that Kon is not in a valley Kon is one of the hills yeah it's called Haron you know we know that so what did say so quotes and he said beautifully he says it is from the deep plan of God that was really from the the sad was buried in who was buried Inon what why order that it will fulfill what was promised to him when it said that it says that your descendants will be forigners in another home so the whole story of ysf ends up at the end of braet how what happens at the end of braet where is uh all of Israel huh in even in China they're in Egypt did God send them to Egypt no that was all how what happened y had this he was so he told them come down they all came down but God let that happen God wanted it to happen that way because he had to have them in Egypt because of he had plan that so anyway that's the whole point here and I want to show you that what effect happened is simple yov it's it's a story of of human beings and their decisions a father yako sends his younger son Yosef to go on a mission right to um to see how how his friends how his other children are tending the Sheep how is that how are they doing right that's what it was why he did that who knows I can ask a whole bunch of questions why are you sending there I mean that's he sending ysph you know how ysep is not lying you're sending him by himself you go know there's many questions I can ask but somehow he made that decision didn't he and um in the end that's what happens that's what God wanted to happen so does that relieve the the Deeds the negative Deeds that were done by by uh the brothers and by others arms uh but was he there was Flip Wilson the old he was a comedian he say uh the devil made me do it I'm not guilty it was the devil that made me do it so we to say well if God had this plan to happen why are you blaming them for they sin no no no no don't work that way man it was a decision you made God didn't make you make it God was happy you did but that was your decision so at any rate that's what happens man has plans they have an agenda they think that's what they're doing God says you're just doing what I want you to do in the first place not that I told you but it's going to happen that way so that's what happened um and I'm going to uncover these deeds and what they were and was it really a terrible so so we're going to begin um in the text I'm want to see if I actually included here let me see yeah unfortunately this yeah I did okay uh it is on Source number three I had done number two already and Source number three in Source number three we read the following and this is we do just the English like right that Yos went after his brothers right and he found them in Doan they saw him from afar and before he even comes near they conspired against him to kill him they sold one they said one to another here comes that dreamer let's slay him and cast him into one one of his pits and say a wild animal has Dev devoured him then we'll see what he will become of his dreams ruen hears that and he saves him saying let's not take his life he said don't shade shed Blood cast him into this pit in the desert but don't lay a hand on him so that he could that way Ruben felt he could save him and return him to the father okay that's what it is so the first part already tells us and even before this that there were the jealous were very the brothers were veryu very jealous and wanted to kill Yosef um but Ru does not agree and convinces them not to do so and he wants to throw him in a h but notice the note the Torah says in Hebrew Habor you know Habor means this very good specific this pit there was a specific pit he was referring if you want if we were reading it and certainly if you're leing if someone's reading it in the Torah on chabas when most people are either looking at the English translations or the commentary and not really you wouldn't you don't realize that how many of you realize that he was not talking about any pit there was a specific pit he wanted to brn that that pit right um and um probably the one that was um one that he knew he'd be able was close enough to be uh get to it and he'd be able to pull him out of the pit that was his plan that was 's plan good guy right but what happens afterwards we find after that as as by the way Source three continues go to the English over there also and there we see [Music] um so and so when ysep reached his brothers they stripped ysep of his coat coat of many colors and they took him and threw him into the pit and the pit was empty there was no water in it when they then sat down to eat and they saw a caravan of ishmaelites coming from gilad gillad by the way is in the East Northeast uh with their camels bearing spices bringing them to Egypt by the way and Judah said to his Brethren look what profit is it that we just slay our brother or have him die in the in the pit by the way and conceal having to kill conceal his blood let's just sell him to the ishmaelites and not lay our hand on against him he's our brother after all and brothers agreed pretty straightforward what's going right uh um and [Music] um that's you know that we all know what happens there that's what happens exactly what the text tells us and then comes what I would say is the most crucial part of this story and why I'm going to attack it immediately following that in the 28th verse that's after the 27th which we just read then Midnite Merchants passed by and they drew Yosef out of the pit and they sold Yosef to the Israelites for 20 shekels of silver and brought Yosef into Egypt so before I go on who took yoseph out of the pit ah the midianites and who sold him to the ishmaelites the the minites and who brought yoseph to Egypt very good you got it all right that's not what you learn when you're in fourth grade but the brothers sold yoseph the Torah doesn't say that the Hebrew seems very clear the Hebrew says um where is it okay here exactly as it's and they pulled him out of the the word aim the word of the brothers is not even mentioned here the whole P doesn't have the name of the brothers at all huh exactly they were having pizza they were around they were having a lunch that's exactly right I can't tell you how important this is because it's it really saves so many questions we have but we'll get to that although I don't know if we'll get it to it today but that's okay because this is going to be a lot of fun okay so now you're beginning to see where the text teaches us something that maybe we would not have the thought so it's helpful when you read the text it's going to tell us something that's what it says right um so when ruen returned to the pit Joseph was not in the pit so he tore his clothes he returned to the brothers he said the child is gone with shall I go with her we don't use that enough I don't think with her so anyway here say it's a queen's English that's right what am I gonna do basically o see unfortunately he didn't know yish o what am I going to do what is he going to do why why was he going back to the pit huh pull him out to pull him out right that's exactly what his plan was why did he want to then pull him out cu this why well the brothers agreed they wouldn't to kill him didn't they no the brothers breed not to kill him no not to kill yoseph what did they say they would do instead of killing yoseph no after that look at what he Lear before before it says what prophet is it let us sell him to the ishma a light we'll sell them to the is at that moment I'm sure I'm say hey I was going to pull him out when not around but if they're going to sell him I won't be able to run I won't be I better run that to get them the is were on the Caravan they were moving down we'll tell you later on even geographically the Israelites are coming from gilad you see right on the map they come down at gilad and they're going back back close to the shore it was called viam Maris it is the the the root of the sea Maris is sea because that that's where in in the ancient world you know there was no ways unfortunately well fortunately that way they didn't get lost uh and they were and that that was an international route that's where International Merchants went because they were going down to where where were they going to egyp Egypt of course they had to get some probably Kus whatever but they had to go down to Egypt where they had things remember Egypt was the power it was the Empire at the time so they're going down to trade they were Traders with a d that they are Traders coming from the Northeast down to the southwest and they have to go through this little place called uh ER Israel though not yet called that at er Canan and they going by the and the in they were in do the brothers were in Doan Doan was and it's up in a hill and they see from afar that there is a caravan now they're not going to come there in five minutes they're going to take a while them to get there so that so they said okay when they get close to us we'll be able to take Y and sell him Ru says because if they're going to sell him what am I going to do I have to save him so he runs back okay why doesn't he find him the medion nightes had taken him out of the pit did Ru know about that did any of them know ah good good good did Ru know about it no of course not so how do you think that they all knew about it but Ruan didn't but he was chewing on his pizza and it's too loud he couldn't hear what they were saying they didn't know nobody knew what happened to Yosef they were planning to take him out and to sell him that was their plan see they think they're going to do that wasn't God's agenda the fact that they wanted to was be enough but that was the agenda so when I say that and I'm getting ahead of myself it's okay I'll leave you with a happy CL what does that mean they didn't know ruen didn't know ruin comes back and says gut what am I going to do now tell me if we assume as we and the coloring books tell us this that they they knew of course why don't they tell Ruben Ruby what are you worried about H we sold him it's okay don't worry they don't respond to him they don't we say we we sold him they don't say anything maybe they felt themselves putter because the but ruen says where's the kid if he's part of the brothers well they what they would have told him he's been sold they don't respond to that why because they didn't know they had no idea either what happened which means and I might repeat that next week uh two weeks hopefully you'll forget by then and I'll be able to say it again uh but what what happened is simp as clear because cuz they didn't know so when they go and they tell their father H to T he was they weren't lying to their father are you saying that they didn't see the midianites selling y to great question great question because they helped me but I forgot to mention what's the difference why midianites and Israelites Israelites were International traitors going from there to there mid nights with the local people they hear somebody screaming yelling from a pit go in they say great we got a slave so they come and pick them out and they go to the isites there one of the most painful painful verses in all of tanak they throw their brother into a pit he might die he might get killed they going to sell them who cares and they s sat down and had a sandwich they were they sat down to eat like it didn't care they didn't care about it it's a painful part this is very important that's why I said we're not going to give himer I'm just telling you what we felt what what happens to them is not exactly what we were taught and that's a very important thing and I'm going to go through that please understand that but that explains many many things which I'll tell you next time it's 120 and whoose and what's the noun be before this pronoun thank you very much you just answer the question yes the milites took him the like anybody who speaking English the same thing they took the boy out of the pit and they sold him to the Mion nightes why am I want who's they obviously who is there no one no admittedly because I'm ignoring understand this say yeah but before it says and that's where it refers to it's a little crch if be asking that has to do with something else I because that's based upon the Nai where it says in the and which is not referring to them it's referring to the sons the sins of that time but K see it as referring to them that's why they say but as far as we know it was just it was yeah yeah that's all and it wasn't then got the money