The Punishment of The Spies | Rabbi Neil Winkler June 12th 2025

I would be remiss were I to simply stop and start a new poem. We will start with the sin uh as I call it the sec the not the sin as far as the uh Moshe a second look at Moshe's saying okay um mash we'll get to there after the first couple of minutes but I I did want to continue and if you want the the source sheets of last week also I have those too. Um, I want to uh continue with that because I really haven't completed it and I will bring you up to date as to what we got up to and then I will continue onward till I feel that we have completed what I really wanted to complete so that you shouldn't leave um the topic of the sin of the spies still hanging in the air because it didn't complete well we'll complete it page I haven't started talking I'll tell you what page one you get truth I don't even know what happened here um I had gotten you to we have we had reached the point where um I explained to you how the f the much of what the report of the s of the spies were was absolutely Absolutely correct. And when you go through the details of what the mission should have been as given by God and by Moshe to these spies, these agents, as I call them, remember they're never called spies in the Torah. They're agents of God. Um they're tours. Uh tour. Uh, and uh, one has a good point of arguing that I know they probably didn't do it exactly correct, but it's a rather powerful uh, punishment that God gives. Um they um I ended up by saying but what really uh uh was a a problem was besides reporting of what they saw they gave a report in which they said um they are were not capable of conquering the people and and taking over the land. So the the re response of the people to these objections of the spies, that is the two spies, Khalv and um Yahosua respond not in the very beginning, they respond um yeah in the um end of the 13th chapter. which is where the bulk of the report of the spies goes through. And there uh we read at the se I think the the seventh source where um we are told that for the first time somebody says no you're wrong and that is surprisingly it would imagine uh yeah not Yahushua who one would have imagined should have been the first one to speak up. I mean, he was the teacher's pet. He was there was he was he was in the same uh he was in the kle with with Moshe and despite that he served in the army. Anyway, um instead of that, we read that it's Khaled, the head of the tribe of Yehuda. So we read there in the uh seventh source. Thank you. Khale hushed the people before Moshe, meaning in front of Moshe. Moshe couldn't respond to this. He could, but it wouldn't be as effective because he said, "Well, you've never been into the land. How who are you to tell me? Oh, it's a good land. How do you know? You promised it is, but you've never we went and saw it." That's a powerful argument. So Khal was there and he did see it and he said um clearly let us go up by all means he said we will gain possession possession of the land for we will surely overcome it. one simple simple verse um in eight I think it was eight words that's what he says before he could go on the others now saying no no no no the other men who had gone up with him said we cannot attack the people for it is stronger than we um Rashi points out as the rabbis do that they said which really he is he that they are stronger than we are but and he said who is a singular form. So meaning the the the the land the the the nation is stronger than we are but who is also a way of hinting that maybe they were talking about God because men you know m I'm sure the mu is that they are stronger than him than God that's what kazal say that's not that's not that the shot is but given the report that they give it certainly tastes that could very well be part of the flavor of what they were saying about. All right. He said uh and then comes the nextim. So they were arguing we can or we can't. And then comes the nextim. And in Hebrew it says Israel. And now these people who did not want and who felt that they could not conquer the land they spread calumnes among the I love the the isn't the English um translation harder than the Hebrew they said false uh think about the media today they talk absolutely the untrue things and horrible thing negative things Colombia is a negative things um and they spread it among the Israelites uh about this land they scattered. They said the country we had traversed and scouted is one that devours it settlers. All the people there that we saw were of great size. The term they use is they were uh benak which in our Hebrew now would say they were giant there were they were descendants of giants you know because I would be five foot five also in those days but anyway um it was so it was they spread not only an a a mis truth um one that correctly said that's that's how they saw it they frightened, but they then spread what they knew with lies. We're not going to be able to because they're too big and they're awful and they're terrible and they spread it. What does a person who doesn't really know the truth but wants everybody to believe it? What do you do? You go to the CNN. I know you you obviously spread those lies and people so many of them are ignorant enough or are not knowing enough to believe it and that's what happens. Huh? Exaggerated. H exaggerated more than exaggerated. But the fa fact that we're talking about a slave mentality people from not even a year and a half after they got out of Egypt. They are frightened. Yes. And you would say this right away. I know. And you're right. Didn't you see what God has done for you all this time? Don't you wake up in the morning and get some man if it weren't for that? What the fear was such because of that just they had no selfconfidence because they'd been slave for so long. Yes. I'm sorry. But as you said, Kh was there. I think the missing puzzle piece is that he as you said, he didn't say I was also there and well, they knew he was there. I think that's funny for us. He does. He does. And he tells us to go. Do you think he's telling us to go there to another that will happen in the next parrot? That will go out in the argument that will go on the next argument. I think also to show that that even with miracles, if you don't have the ability to receive those because of the mentality of your results or whatever, you can do all kinds of great miracles and it's still not going to be enough. I will tell you a very basic truth that we find I think the Ramban says it also at Yamsu and he says there that miracles as great as they are don't change people it says that when they saw what happened they believed in God now they believed in Moshe the next chapter it says they complained where's the water god take us out of Egypt and so on and so forth because miracles don't change generally saying a person's mind education does feeling does a lot of things do but one simple miracle or even five of them yeah so what you can always say you know six day war you think it's a miracle you know that they had a very strong army every excuse possible that you couldn't say it's God and this I remember this and I may have mentioned this before but I hope that as I am you might remember uh the I was I I came at first a visit um to Israel was in 1967 a month after uh the in July month a month after the six day war was over it's amazing I wasn't born yet but I was there anyway uh Yeah, I was two years old. You were I was 19. It's okay. Um, so and there and we went to we had a one I mean this that we had I was part of a choir and I was I went to hospitals to sing for the for the uh soldiers who had been uh uh fortunately wounded. Uh and we we we went at army bases and sang for the soldiers. Uh we had such a I look back and at the time I said, "Boy, this is fun. Terrific." And then I look back when I actually grew up and said, "Oh my god, what an experience I had. I I really appreciate it when I was that young." Said, "Oh yeah, this is your first time I'm here." So on and so forth. But what I did see there was right after that six day war this month later the almost every every car had this sticker on the bottom of it and it says cavode all of the credit goes to sal and and I understand that I felt the same way fantastic what they did was remarkable but you know what happened what happens is not long after that we find that we had people saying, "Well, you know, I saw I there wasn't that much of a miracle, you know, cuz Israel knew beforehand how they're going to attack and you know, you know, this AB that came there, they couldn't they don't go through the fact that somehow the dis the uh special code that Jordan had with there was loss, he lost it. This happened here, this happened there. All these things just happened." No, it was because they found excuses because miracles can always be excused because God doesn't do miracles except rare times that are totally against nature. That's banan says if God does a miracle against nature, it means that you need it very badly and that uh it's only those peoples who are of no faith have it. But usually he does miracles within the nature. And the job that we have is to recognize that. Are these Jewish people that said that? Oh yeah. They said in Israel that come on. They're going to say we're talking about the Israeli army and the people in the army who whereas nowadays 40% of them are religious people. They weren't that back then. I mean you have Robin Bun. My god he was there then. But I mean basically you didn't have that. So it's understandable especially the upper uh ashon with how to show how wonderful they saw it in America too. You see it all the time all the you know the the the um wonderful army military people would do that. I also said I told you this story of the story that was a a young fellow who was kos bitua as we'll say he wasn't he was brought up not that religious not at all religious and he started to feel very religious and he was in the American army he was then being trained at the time in uh west point actually and he has go he was going to a uh a general who was giving uh a class about great battles and great amaz battles that were happening and so on so forth and defeats unexpected uh victories. So it finished and and the the guy over he said hand. He said excuse me but you didn't mention the six day war and he said excuse me sir what's your name? No. So he said this is a class on military but we do we don't get involved with miracles. That's what he said. He said that American we can't get involved with miracles. That's not this is not that's not a military thing. It's a miracle. It's phenomenal thing. So you have that barakam you have people who did see that but at any rate um so miracles aren't anything. So here are these people they don't believe. Not only had the majority majority of those who had gone into the land came back and said, "Yeah, it was terrific." Just like he said, you know, flowing with milk and honey is terrific. They have a lot of pizza stores. They're terrific, but there's no way you're going to to defeat them. And that is really the whole change of the uh of the color of the report was one word as I mentioned last week and that's the word of eff. FS is however they said yes this is however and then they go out and said but we can't do this and it's off and they and now they go beyond that did you know we saw giants there how we going to beat them they and it goes on to say he said they said we they regarded us as if we were just the grasshoppers in the grass we were so small compared to them did they see how could they regard they see Y that's what they reported and it says clearly we we regarded ourselves as grasshoppers in uh compared to them and so we looked like in their eyes too. So they claim that that happened too. Okay. Right. So that's what happened now in that 13th chapter and until that point till the very end of this chapter except for that last few sukim it was as I told you a fairly objective report about the land. They agreed that the land was good and that the enemy was a for a formidable opponent which after all God said go and see with the haam are they strong or not. So they were right because some they were strong there. No. And the only disagreement comes at the end when they said we'll never be able to defeat. We'll never be able to defeat them. We will not be able to take over the land that God promised to us and that said we'll be able to. The majority there did not they believe that it's not possible and the minority said it was. And if I were to look at this report to the end of I would say, "Okay, God, I see this. They did something wrong. Why are you so angry? When you blame the people, they weren't there and there and the if you come in used to tell this when I was teaching kids, you walk into the h to uh to your tough class, a tough math class. You walk in and um you hear everybody saying, "Oh, no arguing. What are you arguing about? Says these guys think there's a test today. And all they said, no, there's no test. The two guys said there's a test. And everybody else, no teacher never said there's a test. Do you think the the students on the class are going to say, I guess the two people are right. No. So, we're not going to have a test. Guess what? There was a test. That's what's happening here. Why don't you blame the people who are never in the land of Israel who here are seemingly very moderate, not moderate, but certainly neutral type of report. It's a great land, beautiful. Here's the fruit. We even brought back fruit so you can you can have it, you know, no falafel, which I don't know. Anyway, so they said you can have all of this. So I said, but I have to tell you, we're not going to be able to feed people. So why does God get so angry and angry at the people? Why? So you know we know the answer and and see there you go. So I knew that answer would come from you because there's a lack of faith. It is. Where's where's God should be angry with that? Maybe. But that's a little simplistic. Think about this. Whom did God send? Did he send the nobodyies? Didn't know anything. He pick a guy up off of the bowy uh when he's drunk and say, "Okay, you could be one of the people." It says anime. These were outstanding people. They were leaders. They were chosen by Moshe himself. Moshe knew these guys, you know, um and they were the leaders of their respective tribes. So the the people that that's they were believed because they were the heads of the tribe among the heads of the tribes. So the people of the tribe knew them. He's a great guy and never lied to me. Yeah, I understand why the people are doing this and why they believe what these people are saying. But God to get so angry that it's hard like that. seems obvious that they would have exactly that's my job to let you think by that I'm right you'll see but I'm wrong you know so yeah they'd seen the the the miracles uh in Egypt and the Red Sea in the desert they heard Hashem's voice yeah but so did these men these great men they saw it also so we're going to tell them well you had no belief You know, so the rabbis some say have the approach say they they like being in the desert, but they're still the heads of tribes. When they get into the land, they wouldn't be. Well, why not? If anything, they would be leaving them into the land. So, you know, they lose faith in only one thing, in Hashem's abilities to help the nation battle the enemy. That's it. The battle, the very battle to conquer the land itself, the land that God had promised that he would, they lost that. And um that is because of the eighth source because God told them, "Yes, I'm going to bring you to the land and yes, I'm going to help you conquer that land when you invade it. I'll fight with you." And where's H? Did you? Um, so I don't know if I have eight this when I seen it. Yeah, it's over here. It's there. Yeah. Is it translated there? Yeah, I don't. Okay, good. So, I don't know how to turn pages. I happen. All right. Anyway, so it says there that um Okay, good. That's the wrong one. Let me give you what the right one is. We're unless it's the one before then that Oh, yeah. It's in six. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, I can't I turn pages. I don't know numbers. Yeah, it's a six a source. If you want to buy a half for you if you would like one. Yeah, I didn't. It's okay. I I I could I always Okay. The promise that God makes them back in. This is this is not bidbar where the the spies. This is back in right after the Torah of the um were pronounced. He says he now which I by the way I spoke last time we had we spoke about the um the sin of the um golden calf. But anyway, here's God says he says, he said, um, yeah, I am sending a messenger before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place. And remember I told you that that's the assumption why they have to get a new leader because Moshe was supposed to be they assumed the messenger that would lead them into the new land and now he's not there. We have to get another messenger. Okay, fine. Um, pay heed to him. Obey him. Don't defy him. He will not pardon your offenses since my name is with him. But if you obey obey him and do all that I say, I will be an enemy of enemies and be a foe of your foes. Okay? And there it is. Um, and that's the crucial God says, "Yes, I'm going to help you on one condition. You must listen to me and to my agent and you must listen to everything I tell you to do. Then I will get rid of your enemies so on and so forth. And it goes on even to say it is then that um God says and uh go he'll bring down the Amorites, the Hittites, you know, I will annihilate them. Don't you know so on and so forth. All of this promise was lays upon the responsibility of the people to listen to God. That was the whole point. So look at what happens now when um when now both Yoshua and K continue the argument. Um and Ramakag who speaks about these this issue he suggests and I think very well that the spies were not God doubting necessarily God's abilities or God's promises but they doubted their own ability meaning Israel's ability to merit God's help. So that answers, you guys aren't good enough to have God help us. That's basically what he was saying. We won't be we aren't worthy to get Hashem's assistance here. And it was in their estimation part of the mission that they had to fulfill to realistically evaluate all of the relevant factors for successfully conquering the land. not only whether it's good or bad and what they have to do, but rather whether we deserve it or not. And that was their mistake. They saw themselves again as being spies as to to an extent they were. They saw themselves as being reporters. Well, yeah, they were correct. They even saw themselves as okay evaluators, estimators uh for what is happening there. Also true. But they forgot one thing. Rashe ben is ha they were the leaders of Israel. Leaders don't do this. Leaders don't come back and say ah and panic everybody. A good military leader doesn't go back to the army when he has a difficult uh fight battle that's very important and tell them we're going to lose. You better get the heck out of here. We better You don't do that. You encourage them. That's why the Torah says here there were great men. They were leaders. God's anger was because they didn't act as leaders should. He relied upon the lead their leadership to help everything go. Once the leadership goes, the people go. And when the people go, they're going to now panic, which is exactly what happened. They do the opposite of what leaders should be doing. And when we go on um and um as I said in the beginning here that Khal said, "No, no, no, no. We're going to be fine. We're going to take over the land." You know, and um and they then say, "No, no, no, no. We can't. They're too for strong for us." And that's why the Torah says they in effect what we would say in today's now they spread lashhara that's what they did they took even if it was a truth as lash can be but it was untruths and you said this I think very well they um overestimated they actually um you said that word and Again, I'm each day I do my best to forget more English words. I do very well that way. But but you they they blew up exactly exaggerating. They exaggerated what happened. You know what it was? You know, maybe they were big. Maybe you know, but how strong? How do you know what did they go to the they go to the gyms to see how much weights they'd be able to pick up? They're big. That's one. So that that is that kind of thing that exaggeration is not what leaders should be doing. This is not what as we mentioned last week their job really was and that is to be a factf finding commission. this was not factf finding and instead of confessing their own fear and lack of confidence um they should have said we'll be able to do it just like Khal did and that was a slander I think that's the good word that they spread a slander not only against God but against the people and that's why as we see in the the next chapter um where um where both YHV and Yahushua respond in the eighth uh and the eighth source and they said they exhorted the whole Israelite community and they said the land that we've traversed and scouted is an exceedingly good land if If it pleas with us, if it pleases crucial, Hashem will bring us into the land that flows with milk and honey and give it to us. That's if he's pleasing with us. But but you must not rebel against God because that's exactly what he's telling you not to do. If you listen to him, fine. You'll be okay. But if you're going to start complaining now, you're not going to cotton land. You know, have no fear then of the people, he said in the land, for they are our prey with an ey, right? Their protection has departed from them and Hashem is with us. Have no fear. That was a powerful response of both Yeshua and Kh. And it's based upon that. But it really is a good land and our people must be stronger. We'll we'll we'll lift weights before we go in to make sure we fight good. No, they say very simple. Just listen to God and and he it's it's in our hands. God will just simply they'll be our prey. We'll get rid of them. No problem at all if you listen to God. And what do they do? They don't listen to God. I mean, this is not a complicated thing. That's the whole point. Everything was conditional. on the condition that you listen to me and my laws and what I tell you to do, I'm going to help you tremendously. Yes. And if not, everybody out of the pool. That's it. But they lost faith at that moment. Yes. There it is. So, we're talking about faith. And you're right. That's exactly right. They lost the faith. They listened to them instead of to him to their right. Yeah. That's exactly what it is. Okay. Um, and it's beautiful how the Torah really uh gives us an opportunity to learn what Hashem expected from men of in leadership comm position by contra contrasting the response of Yoshua and Kh with those of the other 10. Um um and in fact one of the interesting things is in that when pericu giml that 13th when the whole story is you hear only there and then finally the last three um sentences we hear kale who's missing is not there is he and per gimlu is not there I even heard this wild thing that it says says uh all those who came back you know after Klesak they said but all the others who are there you know said we won't go there and some said that includes Yeshua that in the beginning cuz he's not there does that mean that Yahushua also they were quiet or what what somehow was a part of that don't know I certainly don't think so don't want to think so but it's interesting that he's missing there it's in the 13th chapter and in your dollar I'm sorry the 14th chapter that's when he speaks up and very strongly as well um and um one can look at this and we'll get to this that the the final verses of that 13th par when Khal speaks out really didn't contradict the he didn't say no they aren't that strong. Don't be silly. They're just exaggerating. He doesn't say that. He said quite the other. He said, "We can do this." You know, just, you know, we we'll be able to to succeed with God's help. That's all he said. And in fact, he's saying, "Yes, they are strong, fine, but that's okay." So that, you know, but in the 14th, that's when they had to fight against them. We'll see when that happens. Um, and both of them speak out as I told you. And when as the chapter goes on, chapter 14 and parakeidal goes on and they all start to cry and whail and get hysterical about it. Uh, what did God do to us? We're going to die in the desert and we're let's go turn around and go back to Egypt. So on and so forth. Uh, and when that happens already, you know what Mosha and Aharon do? Um, they collapse. They can't do it anymore. They're two people. They completely fall to their faces. That happens a couple of times in the Torah. And uh because everybody however the very next verse but Yoshua and Khal who went there they now open with their words of uh of opposition and um encouragement which is what I we just read over here that God's going to do it will be fun so on and so forth. These are the God the words that God expected to hear from all of these leaders. That's what he expected to hear from them. Um that God's going to grant us the land if we please him, if we do what's right. Um don't rebel against God and don't fear the enemy because if we have Hashem who's with us, what are you being afraid of? That's it. So that message was meant to really um strengthen the nation, reassure the weak and the doubtful and encourage the people to go on and conquer Erit Israel. And that message is what best defined what they leaders should have done. That was what God expected of good leaders. And um that leaves us with only one question. I guess I won't get to the whole thing of the next section, but I'll get to it. So why is God angry at everybody? We pointed that out. We can understand why he we do understand why they were so panicked when the majority of the uh agents, whatever you want to call them, spies come back with this negative thing. Um and they have to consider that the ease with which the people accepted these the reports by the the version of this truth by these people. The fact that we don't see anywhere any argument. We don't see them saying but didn't God say he was going to do ABCD? didn't sell. We saw but these are miracles. You can do these miracles. Nobody sees seems to have said anything. We don't say don't see in that story. And the people started talking and arguing and this and that. Nothing. They fell to the lies and uh just to make it a little more powerful. Not only did they believe, but when Yoshua and Kh argued against them and said, "Don't be silly. You know what they did? They tried to stone them to death. They tried to stone them. Just imagine that the Torah. Oh, the Torah. Yeah. Not the Not the No, I I checked all the comic books. It's not there. Yeah. The Torah. It says that. So, that's what it says. It says the char cooks. and the whole the whole assembly wanted to to stone them to death. Okay. Now that really suggests not simply a weakness in the leadership but of a faith and trust in God which is what we really started with and what you started with about the faith in God and more than that probably a how can I say this um that's a rebellion a reluctance a reluctance of the people to be part of the redemptive process. See, the people were fine. I mean, God did it for them. Oh, gave us it's great. He did a miracle for us. That's Oh, you split that sea. That's terrific. Now, we can go through no problems, no complaints. Oh, you know, we're hungry. We need water. God will put the water for us. Ah, we're hungry. God will give the minor for us. Oh, we want meat. He'll give us a slub. Everything that was done for God by God for them that was that was fine. And now you're telling us we have to go and fight for the land. Sorry, that wasn't part of the book. But it's so much part of a slave mentality. They've been used to being told and being given things. Maybe the food wasn't great in Egypt, but they gave them the food. Okay. No, they gave and they're used to getting and now they're being told, "No, you got to do something." I think a slave mentality is not used to standing up and um fighting back or rebel or rebelling against the powers that be. That's that's very frightening. Yes, that's correct. But that's part of what we're saying that that slave thing is that they don't want to do it themselves and used to taking up being independently doing things. That's the whole point. They didn't want to accept the responsibility in order to fulfill their own destiny. God will do it for us. Initiative, huh? Initiative. Yeah, the initiative. That's correct. You know, people think that that why we need an army. God will do it for us. But did I'm not getting into that. What did anybody Did anybody k What have we been traversing this land for? What have we been traveling all this time for? Yeah. It was only 18 months. What direction? For what purpose? For Well, they know exactly why they were going there. That's what they said. God's going to give it to us as he said he would. That's why we came here, you know. Uh and remember that would have been fierce if there if it weren't for the the a right and I would I would add to this since it's uh as I said I could have started in the next pro but I I have enough here to finish for this this time. So we'll keep this uh topic for the next week. Okay. About uh a a looking a second look at Moshe's quote unquote sin. We'll do that next week. That's the next week. But this still has um re again points out that this truth is actually given by incale. That's source number nine. tells all about what happened in Egypt. This is a phenomenal eye opener that almost nobody knows because once you get through the Torah, do you have to read the scale? Come on. You know, that's like going into a a I I would call it a you to go into an encyclopedia and looking at the bibliography, you know. You know what it says here? Unbelievable. Look at the reading in the English. The L the word of the Lord came to me. I could do it more in. And the word of the Lord came. Say unto them, thus said, "Thus said the Lord God, on the day that I chose Israel, I gave my oath when I said I, Lord, am your God." And that same day I swore to them to take them out of the land of Egypt into a land flowing with milk and honey, a land which I had sought out for them, the fairest of all lands. I also said to them, "Do not defile yourselves with the fetishes of Egypt. I the Lord am your God." But they defied me and refused to listen to me. They did not give up their um give up the fetishes of Egypt. Then I resolved to pour out my fury upon them and vent all my anger upon them in the land of Egypt. You didn't hear that, did you? That's why Kazal say by the way that God uh a lot of the Jews who died actually also that the wolf did leave probably based upon this. But I acted for the sake of my name that it might not be profane in the sight of the nations. So I brought them out of the land of Egypt and I led them into the wilderness. I gave them my laws and taught them my rules and by uh by the pursuit of which a man shall live. But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness. They did not follow my laws. They rejected my rules by the pursuit of which the man should live. Then I thought to pour out my fury upon them in the uh wilderness and to make an end of them. God wanted to destroy all of Israel. So Moshe want to do that. But I acted for the sake of my name that it not be profained. This is a story that, you know, we know part of it, but it's pretty powerful what he's saying here. So, he goes on to say, "However, I swore to them in the wilderness that I would not bring them into the land flowing with milk and honey which I had assigned to them. For they had rejected my rules." There it is. D disobeyed my laws and desecrated my Sabbaths. their hearts followed after their fetishes. That one simple Puk is saying exactly what I just spent all that time doing. And that is I when did God say I'm not letting you go into the land here at the sin of the spies? Why? Because you didn't you disobeyed my laws and my rules. That was the reason. It wasn't just the leadership. there was a seemingly a a he claims here a a rejection of the Torah of the laws when we didn't have all these things back in you know 18 months ago we worked hard but we didn't have to do all this you know all these things you know so that is what it was and I should have gotten rid of them but I had pity on them I didn't destroy them I wor I warned their children in the wilderness but the children rebelled against me. They didn't follow my laws and did not faithfully observe my little so result and then in the wilderness that's it. So they all died there. There it is. Yeah. Isn't there because when he says and desecrated my so what happened the first chabas? Well, there was there was a there was some there were gathering the story of the man, right? But but it wasn't a whole there wasn't a whole nation there to face a great kind that there were more than one he had given laws about the man that you could do you have to rest there although you should not go walk home I'm just according to it was yeah we haven't seen it in the Torah you're right you're right I'm just wondering isn't also kind of referring to what happened in subsequent generations in probably in different generations. Depends on maybe you're it's a good point. Maybe it could be. Um but it certainly this powerful condemnation of all of Israel underscores a certain consistent negative behavior of Israel from the time they left Egypt and throughout the desert years. Exactly reflecting what I said. And we saw that they were still slaves. they weren't capable of of taking over the land, which is a thought which I'm going to use next week as well. Okay. The reaction of the of the Israelites to the spies report was, it seems, not just an an isolated um misstep was part of this negative um behavioral pattern that typified Israel throughout the time. Go through the up until this. And for those those and it's only two years there. How many times do we find Israel being a big sin that God wants to remit constantly? The last 38 years we find only basically one or two sins at a problem. But for 38 years they were okay it seems. But those first two years they were just terribly corrupt. Um And in fact, even here in the story of the spies, God also reacts in his anger. And God says in the test um source, interesting words he says, "For how long?" He says, "For how long will this people spurn me? For how long will they have no faith in me despite all of the signs and miracles that I perform for them? And that's why he goes on to give the punishment. And he says, "I swear none of those involved in this sin. Those who have seen my presence and the signs I have performed in Egypt and in the you know desert, those who have tried me over and over again these many times and disobeyed me. This is a reflection of exactly what this whole thing what Yakuza was saying and that what this is. They um shall not see that I swear that they will not see the land that I promised um their fathers. None of those who spurn me shall see but their children will. That was the end of that. So this one thing alone gives us the answer. The answer was not just simply the spies themselves. It wasn't only all these other things. Clearly, it was an ongoing behavioral problem. They've had in these not even 18, let's call it 15, 16 months since they left um Egypt and clearly proving themselves incapable of I will say starting a new life in a new land, turning a new. Yeah. And that is by the way I think primarily the reason for that punishment. Yes, they were bad, terrible, but bottom line is sorry I gave you a chance. You guys aren't aren't a a generation that can start to be the new Jew. And now you know you're not. So, I can stop here and I can then continue what I promised to do today. I didn't lie. I I thought I would get to that. I'm happy that I was able to complete what we said. We started uh last week of the sies. I'm sorry. Yeah.