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Well, welcome
all. If I could remind everyone please
to just turn off their
phones that would be
helpful. Also, I'd like to thank our
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Wednesday shar certainly. Um, the shir
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event. Uh and her side is Tedar and this
should be an
aliyah. Okay. So we have a fun share I
hope today an interesting topic. Two
weeks ago, we started with a shir on the
uh development of the prayer for the
governments and we spoke at some length
as to how that evolved through the
centuries uh through Oliver Cromwell,
man Israel, the modern era, different
kings and queens of England. And I
mentioned then that that was a hakama
that really that sh was really an
introduction for today's sh which is the
the uh the prayer for the state of
Israel for the milina which uh certainly
I'm sure everybody in this room has been
hearing a lot over the last year and a
half in the midst of this uh ongoing
war. Um and for many of us I don't know
about you but I I I hear this probably
30 times more than I ever hear. uh I
have no problem with hearing her tikvah
and happy to sing it when it's played.
But uh this is of course a uh an anthem
that the religious community is very
much wedded to and I'd like to talk a
little bit about how it came about and
analyze a few aspects of it which I
think are particularly relevant and and
I think very interesting. So let's start
at the beginning. Uh shortly after the
state was established in 1948
uh rabbitic leaders were approached.
We'll see Rab Herzog Rabitzk Isaac Alvi
Herzog and it's important that he's a
ley we'll see that in a minute was
approached to compose prayers for the
state of Israel but others as well uh
rahudman who was later the uh chief
rabbi of Israel he composed a special
Misha Rabin Katz in Petikva Petikva was
and still is a very important area of
religious Zionist community. uh Rav
Katsbra made a prayer on the basis of
the Hanoten Chiwa prayer. He based it on
that like he assumed that that was what
would continue and in fact Ra Herzog
later in the 1950s visited his shul in
Petika and saw that they were still
doing the the old quotes and quotes
Misha and got a lot somewhat unhappy
about that. He says, "Why are you doing
that and not the the official one, the
au?" And I think that they changed that.
But many Rabbi Nim were actually quite
negative about continuing the old
style prayer that we talked about two
weeks ago. And one of the reasons for
that is, and I mentioned this in
passing, I said maybe this is a bit of a
conspiracy theory. Uh
but Kapak, Rav Kapak says very clearly,
no, it's real. that this prayer he says
was instituted in order to um in order
to imply that people should be thinking
of the other psukim which are next to
the pukim in that prayer which actually
talk about the downfall of the
government the downfall of the enemies
of Israel and therefore he said that
prayer was instituted as a kind of sly
way of them say praying for the zar but
uh may God keep the zar well and far
away from us yes exactly so he said
that's the last thing that we need in
the state of Israel. We want something
which is specifically for the Jews. Uh
and actually on the 20th of September,
the 16th of L 1948, the new prayer was
announced. It was first announced in the
newspaper hat. Don't know if the
newspaper is still going. I doubt it,
but someone will probably tell me. Uh
hats here and I brought you the the
actual page from the from the paper
there where it says shalom is. And I
will read you in a minute the uh the
first and last paragraphs of that
separate to this sheet. But you'll see
in the middle it says the prayer that we
know and
love etc. etc.
Now what's that? Is it? Oh we that's the
whole that we're going to talk about
that. Okay. So let's go to page two.
Asama asked who wrote it? Who wrote it?
It appears in the paper but who wrote
it?
So it was always assumed that Rav
Herdzog wrote it. Rah Herdzog was the
chief rabbi. But in 1983 there was an
article in Mariv by David Tamar that
said no actually it was written by Shai
Agnon and not by Rav Herzog and that
started a flurry of academic inquiry and
books have been written on that and in
the footnotes I've given you some of the
references and we'll have to start
today's share with a little bit of a
kind of a who done it uh like just to
work out who actually wrote the prayer
before we go into it. So let's start
with the announcement in looking at
number one on page two. So this is this
was on the page before on the paper copy
but if you look here in number one it
starts as
follows. So the rabbis of chief rabbis
of Israel of
Herzogen and the chief
rabbi with the approval of the moat of
the
okay and these other three major rabbis
in interesting Tel Aviva
They have created this prayer which
appears
below to be said in all
Israeli and
inadim. That was the official
announcement. It was written
by was yelled to be to be said
afterwards. And then he gives the
prayer.
And at the end there is one line which
is in number one or the last line number
one it's worth
noting they felt it necessary to say
that you should you should just know
that Shy Agnon of Ysef known as Shai
Agnon who origin name of course was not
Agnomo but Chashkus um from I think
Hungary uh he of course was not Hungary
okay well it doesn't matter he was
Galitzia excuse me thank you um and he
was living in Israel obviously and he
was very famous at the time and he was
part of the prayer so which part did he
write and of course everybody's getting
excited who
wrote is thisog is this shagnon so let's
see if we can trace what's going on here
let's start with number two which is the
memoir of Rav Herzog's um secretary
Ravakov Goldman and he gives the
background to how this came to be
written. Number
two, I went to see one
day and I saw him
irritated. He'd been asked to write this
prayer in a very few
days because in just a few days after
that they gave him a few days notice and
said chief rabbi you're the chief rabbi
this is your job please write
ah and the rah said to his
secretary that's not what I do you know
I I I write chuvers I don't write poetry
I'm not a
writer and that they only give me a few
days. What am I going to
do? He says, I wanted to calm him down a
little. I said to
him, it's not so
terrible.
Okay. Write the best thing you can
write.
Maragnon and I'll take it down the road
to Shyagnon and he'll, you know, as um
Yehuda used to say, he'll Shakespeareize
it, you know, he'll, you know, make it
into something. Okay. Um I I'm going to
bring it
to he'll make on it. He'll give you some
input. Herzog was delighted with this
idea.
Hats he sat down immediately and he
wrote but what did he write what was
sent to Shai Agnon so it's not entirely
clear and we'll get to the two options
as to what was sent but one thing is
clear is that he sent him a covering
letter and the covering by the way I
didn't research all this myself this is
I mean I did but I I didn't just go to
the archives and find all these letters
uh this is well documented in the books
that have been written on this etc and I
referred you in the in the footnotes to
those books. Here on the left hand side
is a copy of the letter which reads as
following on number three. This is
August the 30th
1948. So he
says so first of all you see he calls
him Yadidi and he calls him not
butshi. This is a letter from one ley to
another ley saying that we are the
mashim. We are the ones who sing the
praises of Hashem in the mikdash. You
and I theim and between us we'll get
this done. Okay
shalom very very warm
letter many places and he says in
interestingly are asking me for this
prayer. He obviously was receiving
requests from them.
Instead of I need to do an
alternative are brothers in
exile their eyes are all me on
me and my eyes are all on you which is
actually reminiscent of how the uh the
how we talk about when he had to d for
the rain. Anyway, he
says because you are the songwriter, you
are the poet.
Hashem and you're
also and you've always
been
the and you are equipped and qualified
and appropriate to write. Now just for a
second before we go back into the to
finish that look just for a second at
number four. What is
Ravitak Herzog talking about? He is
paraphrasing
the which talks about the of and says in
number
four that thehat has to be appropriate.
He has to be qualified. He has to be
suitable. What does that mean?
Suitable. He has to be free of sin.
Uald it's not good enough to have a
baluva who used to be who knows what and
now is a has to be someone who is mald
interesting I'm not saying that that's
the only criteria for choosing the
shhats by any means but he's saying to
to agnon this is you you are that person
from your youth you have a good name
let's go back into number
three and this is the key I'm going to
send you
I'm going to sh send you a shorthand
form a beginner form and I have written
this is a springboard it's going to be
like a springboard
or is like a foundation a base it's
going to be a base for you to write the
poem the song
Isaac a very warm letter. What was it
that Ra Herds sent to Shnon
this? So it's not 100% clear. Uh what we
do have is we have uh go over the page
to page three a
second. We have
Shyagnan's letter back and this is
Shyagnan's letter. you see the with the
sort of a less squiggly handwriting. Uh
and this is what he wrote back to um to
Rav
Herdsog and that is
basically there are minor minor changes
uh in the wording and you see in in the
middle he put two options one above the
other which he kind of gave us
alternatives which are not really that
critical.
It's as opposed
to opposed to and that may be depending
on which perspective you have. Is it God
should you know fight for us or fight
for them or depending on who how you're
phrasing it? But this is what Shydon
sent back. Now this is pretty much the
whole this
is from the beginning to the end. So it
looks like Shyagnon wrote the prayer
because that's what he sent back to Rab
Herzog. But and this is where it gets a
little bit uh confused. We also have
found in the archives you see on the
left underneath Shahagnon's letter a
letter written out in the chief rabbis
handwriting which is also almost the
entire of
au and now we're left with a conundrum
who copied
whom rahsock says he sent a short form
to Agnon Agnon certainly sent him back
this long form Did Rav Herdzog then copy
out Shyagnon's long form? Okay. And say,
"Okay, that looks beautiful. I'm going
to copy this out." And by the way, there
is a a small but important change in
Raog. It
starts. Okay, maybe he added that in. Or
alternatively, is this the short form
that Rab Herdzog sent to
Shyagnon? And then Shyagnon copied it
out and sent it back with a couple of
changes. It's very difficult to know.
One of the problems is like if this is
the short form like it's this is the
whole thing in what way did Rav Herzog
just write something preliminary and ask
Shyagnon to to expand it? This is
basically the whole thing. And what did
Shyagnan do? And if if this is what Rob
Herdsock sent him, why did Shagnon just
copy it out all over again? Why didn't
he just make a note in the margin like I
think not this word and yes this word
and not that word. So it's not at all
clear. Um there is another suggestion
which we'll get to when we get there.
But those are the two letters that we
basically have. One from Shiagnon to
Herzog with the whole thing out and one
from Herzog. It's not clear exactly who
it's to. We're writing out the whole
thing with a few extra changes. If you
look at the bottom of page three,
um there is a conversation that Dov
Sadan, Dov Sadan was a Kabek Nesset in
the 1960s. He won the Israel Prize for
Jewish studies and he says he had a
conversation with Ra Herzog. Look at
number five at the bottom of page three.
I came to speak to Ra
says I
mentioned as part of our
conversation that I in my poverty in my
limited abilities I tried to
write I tried to do this back in the 40s
he says to Raertz
sorry he smiled smiled at me and he
said,
"Okay, he beat you to it." Aon beat you
to it. Whoa. Really? Okay. So, that
sounds from this adot that Ra Herdzog
says that Shai Agnon did it. If so, what
was Rahzog sending to Shyagnon? So, look
on the top of page four. We also
found we also found um a a typed version
of the prayer for the state of Israel on
Rav Herzog's note paper which says on it
in his
handwriting. Okay. And this is very
different. If you look in number six, I
brought you this and you'll see that
there in bold. It's the the bits that
made it into the final draft. But this
starts very
differently. It brings from
that
interesting
not again we'll have to talk about that.
Does make make it stronger or does make
it less? Seems to make it weaker a
little bit. you I can't tell you this
is this
is okay and then most of the rest is
similar then a little bit different
Now this could have been the short form
filler that Raher typed and sent to
Shyagnon in which case Shyagnon
basically wrote the main thing because
uh the final version that we have
obviously is much more expanded. It's
not clear. The academics do not agree on
this. Uh the general consensus as far as
I can see uh that has been concluded.
There's a there's a book on this written
um I wrote his name down here. Uh Yol
Rapel, Dr. Yol Rapel wrote a whole book
on this which you can get on Amazon in
Hebrew or in English. Rapel, excuse me,
Rapel. Uh and he thinks that Rahz did
it. We're not sure what this short form
is, but that's not relevant. And Ra
Herzog basically wrote it. Um and uh and
you're going to have to go and work it
out for yourself. Later on on the 10th
anniversary of the state of Israel in
1958, Rab Herzog gave a speech, wrote an
article, and he talks about the prayer
that he wrote back in 1948. Okay, just
him, him and Agnon, not clear, but one
way or the other, the prayer was written
between the two of them and was
officially uh posted in the newspaper as
we saw on September 20th, 1948. Okay, so
you can go away and think about that.
Maybe both of them had a hand in it.
Maybe both of them had a hand in
raidu. Maybe it was
Ravagn. Don't know. I'm not sure we'll
ever know. Just a word though on the
song. Okay, this is not in Dr. Rapel's
book, but I have a musical background.
And of course uh the song that everybody
sings including including everybody's
great uncle under every ker it seems to
me uh that I've been to in the last year
and a half there's some family member
who wants to sing this song uh of au
shamim not always in the most uh style
but you know the song the song was
written by Sol Zim okay any of you who
remember the brother Zim and the Zim
family from the 1980s who recorded a lot
of uh what you might early Jewish music
in the modern kind of
genre and Zim wrote the
tune. Yeah. Etc., etc. So that's the
Now, where did he get it from? So you
can say, well, he composed it. So I have
a theory and this is my theory and you
can disagree with it and you can
research it. I think he copied the song
from the theme tune to Exodus. Okay?
Because if you think of the if you if
you're musical and you think of the
chord sequence and you think of
auim and the next
bita and and the the uh the the exodus
song is has the
same it's it's the same chords
basically. Go to a piano play the chords
and you decide if you agree with me. Um,
I I I suppose I think Sim Zim is still
alive. Is he? I'm not sure. But I we we
could always if anyone knows him, could
you please send him an email and ask him
if he'll admit to having ripped off the
tune from the theme uh from Ernest
Gold's theme from
Exodus. But that's just my suggestion.
You you can take it or leave it. Nothing
really turns on it. Okay, fine. Yes.
Sure.
Oh, so that's a good question. I'm not
an expert on Shyagnon. Shyagnon is seen
by Rav Herzog as somebody who is
authentically What's this? Oh, I've just
missed something from our uh from our
audience here. Cancer Soulzim is still
alive as of May 2025. Barak Hashaman, 85
years old, lives in Queens. Um, Mr. Zim,
if you're listening to this
recording, please send me a note and uh
and maybe we'll take it forward. If I
hear from Saul, then I will uh I'll let
you know in the future. Okay,
fine. So, Shyagnon, I'm not an expert on
Shyagnon. There's no question. I've
heard sock talks about him in the most
in the strongest possible, you know,
positive way. Um, there's no question
that Agnon writes things that aren't
always necessarily totally in line with
what you might say are fully orthodox,
etc., etc., but he wasn't a rabbitic
authority. He's not expressing rabbitic
authority. And uh, you can go away and
research what you feel uh, you know, he
was. And do you need to have rabbitic
authority in order to put together a for
the medina on the basis of something
that Raherog you know wrote. He's not
turning to him for a rabbitic husk. He's
turning to him for a poetic ear I etc.
So um good question. I'm not sure it
really matters but either way between
them they did it. Let's have a look at
itself because uh here we're going to
just flag some important aspects of it.
Let's divide it into five. Um I've done
this at the bottom of page four and
let's just see what it's how it reads.
So it starts as you know with a uh a
praise of
God. Now we are going to have to look at
both those
phrases which actually is an unusual way
to start a how many other start our
father who art in heaven.
Oh yes very good. Okay. Yeah, ex not
Harold. It's not Harold. Okay. Um, and
the question is, the question is, is
this a Jewish way to start a um, and
we'll see we'll see a bit of that
also. Where is that coming from? Where
do we refer to God as so you'll
immediately say, well, it's
the well, of course, it's not just the
it's based on and we'll, and we'll see
that soon. Then the second section is a
for the for the state of
Israel. We're going to look at that
phrase as well.
So shielded would beneath the the wings
of
your now these
phrases okay you'll recognize from
fromu from the last the last
inkish which
call because there is this question as
to how can we interrupt between the bra
of Israel in and then estra because
there is an idea the ghoul has to be
immediately before and indeed in the
morning we are very particular not to
interrupt. We go and doesn't even say it
out loud often because in case someone
says a because you mustn't interrupt and
yet in Mariv we have a
whole we have a kadesh. So what's going
on there? So it's interesting that that
bra itself has a resonance of it's
called by an extension of
Israel and there's no question I think
that Raherog when he put these let's
assume it's Raherog when he put these
words in he's channeling
that so send your lights and your truth
to the leaders of the Jewish the
people and
again is fromu
And
there's a was not clear whether it
should be
etc.
Shalom. Okay. So far so good. If you go
over to page five, then the third
section of the is then a prayer for the
Jews outside of Israel to make aliyah,
which I think is one of the reasons why
a lot of communities do not say this
prayer outside Israel. They've got their
own prayer which doesn't call on their
congregation to make aliyah. But it says
here, so go remember them please in all
of their scattered communities around
the world. come immediately at bring
them proud to the land of
Israel and then he then he bring the
theim
of the people in terms of their chuvat
god spiritually but also chuvat the land
okay et I'm not going to read all the
pukim very beautiful pukim and you will
be aware also and this is a very
important aspect we're not going to talk
about really today so much is that ra
alkaline when he in the early religious
Zionist world when he interprets these
inim of chuva he says it's very clear
that this is a national chuva that
people as a whole will do chuva and the
national chuva means return to the land
it's all focused on kibbut gallot it's
not talking about each one of these
individual Jews doing what we mean in a
sense of their own personal spiritual
spirituality which obviously they need
to do it's talking about a national
return to the And therefore this is
channeling that idea of chuvat to the
land and is ding for the non for the for
the non-Israeli part of the Jewish world
to come back then is a call for unity in
the Jewish
people which then calls for the Jewish
people to come back to Torah and then
finally a last call is the coming of
Msiah which we remember that had no chah
also ended with valion. on. So here it
says then it's the final days where the
whole world is
unified. Five. So there are those five
aspects to the prayer. I would like to
look in the time that we have together
at three of them.
and because I think there's a lot to say
about all of those three. Let's start
with a
sham. So the truth is that Shamim does
appear in classic Jewish sources but not
really as a filler but as a statement.
Have a look here at the Mishna at the
end of Sot. And this I think is one of
the reasons that Rahzog picked it
because the the Mishna at the end of Sot
talks about the way the world will will
look how things will move towards the
end of days when Mashiach is on the way.
So let's look at it together. It's a
very beautiful Mishna that finishes off
number
seven. when the B mikdash was
destroyed. So there was the theim the
higher level observers of mitzvah were
ashamed and the free people were
ashamed and their faces were covered in
shameu anisa and people who were were
men of action people of action they
dwindled za and violent people became um
over usal lashian and people who were
slanderers also had power over us aesh
ael and nobody's searching and nobody's
asking for God and nobody's seeking out
God and then the famous
line on whom can we
rely and that's of course the famous
song is from this uh from this and he
continues in that
vein from the when the mikdash was
destroyed everyone went down a notch.
The scholars became scribes. The safari
kazana and the saf the sophri became
khazanim kazanim doesn't here really
mean singers. Okay, someone once told me
kazan is rashias for zingish.
Okay, but but uh but
butan here means the gabay. They went
down to the level of gabayim. Okay.
the and the
became. Now everything has just gone
down and down and
down. Who can we rely
on? Finally, it finishes
off in the footsteps when you can hear
the the coming tapping of the the feet
of Mashiach in the hall on the
way. There will be a massive increase in
the okay and the
prices okay the prices will go
up yes there'll be wine to buy but
things will be very
expensive and the nations of the world
will not even be religious in their own
religions they will just turn to
secularism and nobody will rebuke
them there will be an absence of
truth. Youth will embarrass their
elders.
Okay. And the elder elderly will have to
stand in front of the youth. It will
everything will be on its
head. The child will not be embarrassed
or rebuked by his father. And
finally, and there's no question,
therefore, that Raog chose this phrase
because this is the phrase. It's not
a but it's a phrase that talks about
this is what's going to be at the end of
days. Who do we turn to as we
approach? Okay. Um there's another
Gmorra in number
eight. From the day the temple was
destroyed, there is now an iron wall, an
iron curtain, interestingly between us
and our
father. Father in heaven, it brings
apost from talks about that the placing
of that iron curtain. There is a one
place in the sidur that I was aware of
or could find where we do use a shab as
its and that is in shakar after
the before the corban there's a little
piece that you know if you're if you're
late saying krishma you should say that
and it has a little snippet of krishma
in it as well and there it
says I'm not going to ask for a show of
hands but I'd like to bet that quite a
lot of people myself included usually
end up skipping that part do brahas and
then corbanas whatever they can do and
then you know they're lucky to get into
zimra as Isaac Bernstein
Bernstein a mentor of ours and a friend
our son's actually named for him he was
born shortly after he died he said in
his classic Irish uh wit he said when
people come late to shul the first thing
they sacrifice is the corbonus
Okay.
So, he had he had a beautiful way of
speaking, unbelievable wit. Uh for those
who knew him, uh they're fortunate to
have known him. Um so, there's no
question that Aino Shabbash Shamayim has
a resonance in classic uh in classic
Jewish sources, especially for the end
of days. However, there is a theory like
I indicated or intimated before that Rav
Hersog was well aware of the Lord's
prayer. Uh he and one of the major
questions that came up when the state of
Israel was created is what are we going
to do about the Christianity in the
country? Is it a vodor? Is it not a
vodora? Um and he he wrote at Chuba that
we do not have to destroy churches and
he justified why that is even though we
now have control. But one of the things
he felt very strongly about is that the
coming of the state of Israel was a
direct contradiction to 2,000 years of
Christian theology that they who for
thousands of years had been praying for
the souls of the perfidious Jews who are
damned because they did not accept the
true religion. The state of Israel as we
know the Vatican took decades to to deal
with it if it has indeed dealt with it.
um this is a direct reputation of
Christianity and therefore there is a
theory put out that that this is exactly
what Raug meant and said yes this is now
the new prayer au not the Lord's prayer
and in fact I brought you um Rav Solvich
in number on page six and number nine he
talks in Kodi doc about the different
knocks that resonated when the state of
Israel was created and he says third the
beloved also began to knock on the doors
of the tent of theology and possibly
this is the strongest beckoning I have
on several occasions emphasized in my
remarks concerning in the land of
Israel. The theological arguments of the
Christian theologians to the effect that
the Holy One has taken away from the
community of Israel its rights to the
land of Israel. And that all of the
biblical promises relating to Zion and
Jerusalem now refer in an allegorical
sense to Christianity and the Christian
church were all publicly shown to be
false baseless contentions by the
establishment of state of Israel. One
must have a broad familiarity with
theological literature from the time of
Justin Martyr down to the theologians of
our own day to comprehend the full
extent of this marvel by which the
central axiom of Christian theology was
shattered. Very strong words and it
could be therefore that that is part of
a shayim that he that is put into into
that prayer. So that's the first
suggestion on a shim. Let's go to
Israel. So the use of the
expression God for God as Israel has
very strong Tanaki roots. And I brought
you in number 10. I'm not going to read
the whole thing. This is from which
actually was my bar mitzvah para and
again and again and again and again God
is referred to in as the rock the
dependable
rock. He
called then
later the Jewish people became fat and
kicked. Who did they kick?
Shamanita etc. And he talks about Serenu
and our rock is not like their rock and
our rock saves us and their rock doesn't
save them etc. And God is referred to
again and again and again as a rock. not
just as a rock but also as I brought you
in 11 in where David
says that the Israel has spoken. God is
called Israel again and again in Yeshua
as well. I brought you number 12 famous
in our own fillers in number 13
from
Hashem
said and go Hashem for Ali similar
similarly number
14 as it
begins and this is probably
why is put in there by let's say by
Ravidkerog because the idea of Hashem
being the T who is go and Moshia this is
deep deep in our liturgy. Um and in fact
as we know we finish off the before um
the with this expression in number
number
15. So
etc etc. However, what you might not
know and in fact what I didn't know is
that there is a an
alternative to the of that we say every
day and that
is the actual words from that used is
part of that alternative looking number
16 says
it's if you read the says it's in the in
the
When you do the
final, you need to mention a few things.
You need to talk about which of course
we
do. You have to talk about Hashem's over
the Jewish
people. You have to talk about the Red
Sea and the killing of the firstborn.
And
then we have to say all of these things.
And how do we end the
to now that is not what we do and I
brought you in number 17 the Taz on
the has a very interesting side comment
and he
says when Taz is living in 16 late 16th
17th century in 17th century Poland and
from when I was a young man I
remember Ehad who was a doctor living
near
There was an old
doctor. His name
is he went on at the end of his days in
the
1600s on and he asked one of the
mayor the raots in the Maraviots. What
are the Maraviots? If you remember back
in the old days when you would used to
dav init. So on yon they used to put in
yachts in the morning and marvy in the
evening extra extra extra extra stuff
that doesn't even make it in small print
now into the modern day Israeli okay but
does still make it into the but one of
the things we say in that
is and the taz wants to say how can we
say that that's not what it says in our
garra says we have to say is not
And in fact he brings the shami and he
says no the shami survived in this
minhag of the look at number 18 I
brought you here from the art scroll
sitter okay which still has of course
all that stuff in gray that nobody says
anymore I mean maybe you do say it but
most places don't say it I used to dam
in monks in London and they not only do
they say everything in the small print
but they've got their own books of even
smaller print that they bring out and
say more because whatever it works for
them that's great. Um but if you see
here you'll see this is on first night
seda on seda night there's this the the
we say le shim etc etc and it ends
there is so in case you're wondering why
in in the state the presence state of
Israel we
say then um that is actually directly
out of our own although not one that we
generally say but as you mentioned
before um it of course had much more
resonance in 194 48 because it was the
big argument in the uh declaration of
independence and I actually did a little
bit of research on that. um an early
draft of the text. What happened here?
Um that the Felix Rosenluth who became
Pinhas Rosen who was the first justice
men minister of the state of Israel was
given the job by Bengurian to write the
migilata atma to write the declaration
of independence and he didn't exactly
know where to go. So he delegated it to
a fellow called Morai Beh who was a
junior min you know worker in the the uh
proto ministry as it were before they
became the justice ministry. Uh and Beh
put together a first draft of the
migillat of the declaration of
independence. He didn't exactly know
where to start. This young man uh the
Morai Felix sorry what's his name?
Moraiham. So he he went up the road
where he was living and there was a
fellow up the road, a Kutsnik guy, a
conservative rabbi that made aliyah
called Shalami Davididovitz um who was
spent many years as a conservative rabbi
in the states and moved to Tel Aviv in
1934. He actually had a dental practice
there and he said, "I'll help you." He
went to this uh rabbi of the road and
said, "Where do I start? Where do I
start drafting a declaration of
independence?" And of course, what did
this American rabbi say?
the Declaration of Independence, you
start with Washington. You So he brings
down from the shelf the American
Declaration of Independence and says,
"And this is where we're going to
start." And if you look at the end of
the Declaration of Independence, the
American Declaration of Independence,
they make an oath and they say, "With a
firm reliance on the protection of
divine providence, okay, we mutually
pledge to each other our lives,
fortunes, and sacred honor." Okay, they
just translated that into Hebrew. Number
Israel Israel is a translation of the
American with firm reliance on the
protection of divine providence. That's
where the word came from. And that word
su Israel was in the very first draft
that was produced all the way to the
very last draft that was actually signed
uh on May the 14th in 1948.
I brought you on the top of page eight a
little extract from the uh from this the
declaration of
independence is and in the final draft
which was prepared by Mosha Shertok um
later Mosher that was still there. Now
you should just know that this was a big
argument and even on the day before
independence itself when they were still
deciding much more fundamental things
like what shall we call the country they
couldn't decide it was a choice between
Israel
Yeuda and Israel okay which is very
interesting and all of them have upsides
and downsides but they still hadn't
decided the name for the state but they
were still arguing about s is should we
have or shouldn't we have and I actually
brought you in the appendix. I'm not
going to read the whole thing now. I
brought you an extract from a book by um
uh a fellow called Raachevski, Israel's
Declaration of Independence. And you can
see that basically it goes through the
whole debate. Bengurian wanted to just
go with Su Israel. It had been there
from the beginning. It was a translation
of the Americans which was divine
providence. So Israel means whatever you
want it to mean. Uh whatever we rely on,
we rely on uh providence. we rely on
God, we rely on the strength of the
Jewish people. Bangorian was totally
okay with that. Um, however, Rahm was
not okay with that and insisted it has
to be S is the goal. That is the way we
have it. S is the goal. So, he was
lobbying Bengurans till the last minute
to put Su Israel. Um and on the other
side uh there was a uh more on the left
wing there was someone called Ziskin
Zisling sorry Aaron Zistling who was a
secular leftist at the time who wanted
the whole thing to be taken out entirely
su Israel should be taken out you can't
tell me that I believe in Su Israel and
Bengurian said to him you can believe in
whatever you want to believe in and just
say that's what Sur Israel is and they
couldn't agree Ravimman wanted more
Zissling wanted less and even on the
morning of the David they still arguing
about it and you can read in the
appendix the Bengurian basically smacked
the table and said that is all we're
going to say about so Israel it's in and
next let's think about what the country
is going to be called um and uh in the
end they went with so Israel Benguran
you should just know was a very strong
spinosist he was a big follower of
Spininoza and I brought you actually in
the in the footnotes on page eight uh on
page seven probably was actually um an
extract from an article
that Bengurian wrote later on in 1953 uh
which he labeled let us amend the
injustice. I'm not going to read the
whole thing now but when he was already
a prime minister he wrote let us amend
the amend the injustice. What is the
injustice that Bengurian is so upset
about? Is it the British? Is it the gun?
Is it the al what is the injustice? No,
it's the kim on spininoza. He was very
unhappy about the kim on spininoza and
he wanted the kim on spininoza lifted
because Bengurian together with a number
of very famous Jews in the mid 20th
century Albert Einstein being another
one was very keen on the spinosan idea
of god which is a pantheistic idea of
god that god and the universe are
basically the same that god is a
conscious version of the universe which
is not a an acceptable Jewish theology.
Um but nevertheless goes very well with
the idea of Su Israel. Uh actually what
what that is, what the rock is and the
material and the spiritual etc. But
that's all I'm going to say about that.
In the end, Su Israel was in uh and
Rahman didn't get his way. Neither did
this. Fine. You can read that appendix
later. Let's finish off in the last 10
minutes
with
so
being is not a new one. that wasn't
invented by the religious scientists.
The idea
of that is something is not gulah. It's
not redemption but it's the beginning of
redemption. And now is not a whole sh to
talk about redemption. But let's get
clear just at the start that redemption
is not the same as Mashiach. Redemption
means we get our land back, we get our
independence back or we go in that
direction. It's not necessarily the same
thing as Messiah. But if you but it is
connected obviously in many people's
minds. But if you look here in number
21, this is quite a famous Gmorra mula
where the the Gomorrah said that the end
of days will come in the year in the
seventh year. Then the Gomorrah asks on
that number
21. Don't we have a
tradition in the sixth year there'll be
noise. There'll be the the sounds of
approaching
war. In the sixth in the seventh year
there'll be wars of the Jews
fighting and then only after the seventh
yearb can Mashia come. And again, I
don't know if it's da talking about
years or periods. But this which you
said was the the end of days is the time
of to which the Gmorrah answers quite
famously. The very fact that the Jews
can fight a war with their own army with
their own and on their own destiny. That
is part of what gula is. Gula is being
able to have some level of independence
on determining the destiny of the Jewish
people and not be completely subservient
on the outside world. Obviously, we've
we've always been connected to the
outside world. Back to the first temple
time, we were never able to just ignore
Mitrion and Ashure and say we can do
anything on our own and we still can't.
You know, Russia, America, greater
powers than us, China are still have to
be relevant to us. But nevertheless, the
ap the ability to fight a war says the
garra there is also
at therefore this phrase comes up in
number of different places. I brought
you in the footnotes. It's been used by
religious scientists throughout uh Ravk
doesn't actually talk about that phrase.
Ravk uses the phrase well he does talk
about but he doesn't use the phrase.
He
says
and but he doesn't quite say not really
a difference there subtly. He doesn't
quite
say however um the phrase is used in
many other contexts. Um even the Uganda
plan in 1903 to take down the Jews and
just plop them in Kenya was actually in
Kenya was called by the Misrai movement
goulah. That is the beginning of gula
because again it may not be inherit
Israel but it gives some level of
independence. The peel commission which
was not a friendly commission in many
ways to the Jewish people gave us a
right to a sliver a tiny sliver of land
which was far less than what was
included in the original Bafa
declaration.
Nevertheless
said that the ability to even get a
little bit of land back is what's called
the beginning of
um what does mean colot? Good question.
call it I think means like distant
rumblings you know the approach the
approach of war the thunder and the the
lightning coming to us yes what's an
example I know it's a good question I
don't know how all these things play out
in uh you know the the the sounds of
approaching troubles yes when you talk
about
no no well you can read it you you want
to read it in our way again it's not
just talking about years there's no
question it's talking about eras and you
can see what you mean by the millennia
and that's a whole conversation about
how the calendar works. We are in the
sixth, like I said, we are in the sixth
millennia. The question is, is the sixth
millennia the one which Mashiach can
come? The Gomorrah says the fifth and
the sixth millennia are the ones I don't
know if this tracks exactly with the
6,000year idea. I have a whole sh I'm
actually working on for that calendar
idea which is not necessarily for now.
However, there is a very strong idea
from and I do want to share this with
you. I think this is very important
because gives a prediction. Look at
number 22.
beyond when I purify
you with from all of your
sins. You the the cities will be rebuilt
and the the and the uh the destroyed
towns will be
replaced and the land which had been so
desolate will once again be
worked. And instead of being
desolate, everyone who goes past it, it
will now be worked.
And the land will they will
say this land which has been so
desolate has become again like the
garden of Eden and the cities which had
been so destroyed which have been
desolate which had been completely
trampled
but they have been built up into new
citadels and then the nations will
know which the the Jews are left
ine I God have rebuilt your destroyed
towns I have replanted your destroyed
agriculture and the garra in Sanhedrin
when discussing how do I know that the
gul has arrived and again I'm not using
the gul in the same phrase as mashiach
gul say mashia and gul are two separate
things how do I know there's a massive
argument across a whole damar. He once
had a shir about this. Do the Jewish
people need to do chuva in order for the
gul to come and says yes there is no
gulah without chuva. Okay. And Yeshua
says no the gulah will come even without
chua chuba and they go back and they go
forth and they go back and they go
forth. And by the way this word chuva
also resonates with the idea of return
to eritral. Do the Jews need to return
or will God shle them back? Okay. How
does that work? Back and forth and back
and forth and they throw sukim at each
other and it's not clear who wins that
argument. It's not clear. The ram seems
to pass in one way like rebel and the
ram seems to pass like Yeshua. It's just
like a not nonclear ending. But the
gared ends with number 23 and it
says and says or but
says there is no clearer sign that the
end is being revealed than
this
and the mountains of
Israel. You are going to give give of
your branches.
and lift up your fruit. Give your fruit
to my Jewish
people because they are approaching.
They are coming closer. Rashi
explains when the land gives of its
fruit with a generous
eye, you know that this is the approach
of the end, the end
game. And there is no clearer indication
of gula than the turnaround of the land.
And in
fact in 24 he said that that's why this
Gomorrah is here because this Gomorrah
is just given a whole page of back and
forth. Do the Jews need to do chuva? Yes
they do. No they don't. Yes they do. No
they don't. Yes they do. So how do I
know? How do I know when it's really
gula? Because you if I pass that then it
can't be gula because they didn't do
chuva. hasn't maybe he could be says
that's why this Gomorrah is there
because this Gmorrah finishes that
debate and says but this you know for
sure there is no doubting this the one
sure sign of the coming is the land
because you can't interpret that
politics you can interpret where are we
politically we're in a good place we're
in a bad place you can talk that all day
long on the one hand we're in a great
place on the other hand we're in an
terrible place and you each can give
their interpretation You can't interpret
what's happening to the Israeli land.
There's no interpretation. Oh, it's not
really giving its fruit. What are you
talking about? It's a fact. It's facts
on the ground. As Ra Shalom often said,
if you want to talk to God, you go to
the Ka. If you want to experience God,
you go to the shook. Go to look at the
fruit. There's nothing else to say. And
said, that's why this Garra is here.
Because one sure sign if you're in a
confused world is the land. And I
brought you here in number 25.
Cohen
says, "I
asked asked him in the 40s when he wrote
this shisha was probably about
20. How do you know?"
Clearly, you wrote this. How do you know
this?
Maybe the state is extremely important,
has great
value and it saves Jewish
lives. How do you know it's the gula?
And of course clearly said, we don't
have to say that it's the gula. It's an
incredibly valuable um reality for the
Jewish people irrespective of the gula.
So he asked, he challenged him, "How do
you
know?"
Prophesied. Okay. He the rabbi smiled at
me and he snagged me on the cheek. Okay.
And he said to
me, "It seems you've forgotten an
explicit
He says
that's how did Rafer know in 1948 that
this was indeed racial without any with
any doubt the land not the politics not
the army nothing just the land because
the land doesn't lie and that's a very
very uh very strong idea in fact I
brought you just briefly on page uh
number uh 10 I brought you Rav Amital.
Skip nine for now. That's Rav Goran's
interpretation of uh of Rav
Herzog. Rav Amital says when Ra Herzog
spoke of the beginning of the flowering
of our redemption, he did not mean the
messianic redemption. Rather, he meant
the simple redemption consisting of
Jewish sovereignty in the land. Carson
Sofa comments that several times during
the course of history God wanted to
redeem Israel with an incomplete
redemption as during the second temple
but the nation of Israel refused etc.
And therefore um indeed he says in 1948
we did not speak of the Messiah. We
prayed for Malut Israel and sufficed
with sovereignty comparable to that of
the second temple period. There is no
doubt that we attained at least that
much during Ezra's time. Very few people
came back to Israel in our time. Thank
God we have reached five or six million.
We have never had such numbers here says
Rab Amital. The messianic feeling the
sense of the revealed end started only
after the sixth day war. And therefore
Rav Amital wanted to say that don't get
carried away with
messianism means that we have begun a
process of in its straightforward sense
a return to our land. Remember from the
from the sukim in the Torah if a person
if a tribe loses their land or loses
their independence is sold as a slave
someone can buy it back someone can
redeem them getting back your land and
your sovereignty said it's no worse than
the kashim because of the kashim they
got a certain amount of sovereignty back
to Israel we say halal with a bra for
eight days on kanek just for that and
there's no question that many of the
rulers of the kashman were worse than
any government that this country has
ever had okay says that was enough says
I'm not going to speak about mashia
ramit was very clear about this. I'm not
going to talk about Msiah. Maybe he is
Mashiach, maybe it's not Mashiach, but
for sure it's gula in that sense. I just
wanted to end with one comment which uh
I brought you on the top of page 11. You
can read in your own time. This idea of
the land responding is so fundamental
because in the in the says I give you a
that whoever else comes to your land, it
will not respond to them. They won't
flower. It won't give fruit. It will be
desolate. I even brought you Mark Twain
on page 11 as well. It'll be desolate.
And says the Ramban and says Raenu Baka,
this is an enormous consolation because
even if they try to grow the land, it
won't work for them. And says Raenu Baki
says, I'll tell you something else. In
many cases, they won't even try, says
Raenu. All they'll do is burn it down.
All they'll do is destroy it. And
Salahadin's nephew destroyed all the
walls of Shalam. The Mamalukes destroyed
all the crusader fortifications on the
coast because they said, "We don't want
anybody else to be able to get a
foothold here. We don't want the place.
We just want it to be like Saudi Arabia,
barren, because we need to control it.
We're not here to build it. We're not
here to grow it. We're just here to
destroy it." That's the shitta. That's
what Raenu Baki says. That's what the
Ramban says. That's what the other
nations will want to do and be able to
do. We're different. We have a different
agenda and the land relates to us
differently. And therefore, but should
really be attain in every sense and we
should uh we should go from there to
higher and higher things.