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The mystery of Moshe’s father in law | Rabbi Shmuel Goldin
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all of the shim this morning are
dedicated by Gail and Marty elat in
memory of their aliat
of
for Sigman and epon on the occasion of
his 55th y site 21 T8 uh this year
particularly is sponsored by Estell
Harris uh for Rabbi Golden's good
health continued good health m she loves
listening to the sheer thank you all
right okay we're g to uh deal with
another mystery today uh one that I
think is is really very very interesting
we're going to focus on an ancillary
figure in the Torah uh who may be
teaching us some very important lessons
and that is we're going to take a look
at yro the father-in-law of Moshe who
also is called by other names you know
as well etc etc and we're going to take
a look at how the Torah Maps out his
involvement with Ben Israel and with
Moshe and we'll see some very
interesting
things let's first begin by saying that
yro first appears when Moshe runs
escapes to midan that's when he first
appears when mosha arrives in midan he
saves the daughters of Isel from being
pursued or being um persecuted and yro
says when his daughters come back this
man saved us he says well bring him into
the house why did you leave him standing
there and he comes in and eventually
marries seor has the experience of the
burning bush and we've already spoken
about moshe's return and the
difficulties that ensue with Moses
return to Egypt but now we're going to
take a look at at M the scene of Matan
Torah at the scene of Matan Torah we're
at Hari we're about to begin Revelation
very shortly and the Torah tells
USS ISRO hears the news of all the
miraculous events that have occurred to
the Israelites
and all that God has done for them by
taking the course of taking them out of
Egypt and what is ISRO do he Saddles a
donkey he brings the Mish he brings Tora
and her two sons moshe's two sons and he
comes elhar elim he comes to
SI why he's coming not quite sure but
we'll see now what what happens then is
Moshe as Israel actually gives some very
specific advice to Moshe he tells Moshe
you can't do this as you're doing it
you're it's too much of a burden you
have to appoint people you have to
divide up the people into tens 20s 30s
Etc and Appo people over them and the
Torah tells us yes Moshe listens to him
and then the bottom of the
page MOS and he doesn't say this isn't
important he doesn't say m that would be
he kicked him out that would be poor uh
Paradigm for treating in-laws but the
fact is the fact is that means he let
him out in other words he said you're
you know we thank you very much and if
you want to go you can go and isra
leaves supposedly the Torah tells us he
leaves
now revelation a curse we're going to
deal with that some other time after
Revelation Ben Israel begin their
Journey from
har supposedly hopefully to go straight
into the land of Israel now this is this
is a very momentous moment I've often
said that the most important moment of
revelation of Matan Torah is the moment
we leave because the moment we leave
determines the value of everything that
came before if we leave leave carrying
the Torah with us in our hearts and our
minds then everything that has occurred
will be worthwhile if we leave the
rabbis
say which is the way we left like a
child running away from school got
finish that then we're going to run into
trouble which we do but at this point
the trouble has not begun and this is a
majestic moment this is a majestic
moment because we're departing heri we
are now fully a nation these are our
foot first footfalls as a nation first
steps as a nation and the Torah
Chronicles the Torah says to
us I'm looking at page
two and they're following the and the
goes to the Wilderness of Pon and that's
where they go etc etc etc and
then the
Torah continues
I I skipped a couple of there but what
the that I skipped are outlining the way
in which benra left Hari in other words
the deim the the flags and everything
everything about this moment is
majestic when all of a sudden out of
nowhere the Torah says
Moshe Moshe speaks to kov the
Mite K Moshe the the his
father-in-law all of a sudden Moshe is
conversing again with Israel and what
does he say to him he says please come
with us come with us because was God is
going to do for good for us and do and
give us great good and you will be able
to benefit from that
good where does ISRO come from the Torah
does not mention at any point that ISRO
has returned to harini right in other
words he we the last thing we knew
was he went back to M so what's he doing
at Hari at this point doesn't make sense
it's really not clear
right what this is peric
right correct correct okay this is bidor
wait a
minute that's that is inot that is
ining and that's and here I'm referring
to what happens in pus by midbar when we
leave in peric by midbar when we leave
all right in other words we are
traveling away from our SII we've
entered another book two books of the
we' skipped he left according to schot
he left it's very clear so what's he
doing at Hari why doesn't the Torah tell
us that he returned or when he returned
and Moshe is now having a conversation
with him and let's look at listen to the
conversation Moshe says to him please
come with us cuz God is will deal well
good will give us good
so says to him I will not go now I'm not
going to travel with
you I'm going to go back to my home to
my land and to my
birthplace
persists mosha persists and says please
don't leave us no means please he's
begging him please stay with
us you are well versed in the in the
pathways of the Wilderness it's okay you
can
[Laughter]
stand um the pathways of the Wilderness
and you will be eyes for us you'll be a
great guide
and as you travel with us the good that
God gives to us we will share with
you
next end of the
conversation what don't we
know does he stay does he go is what
what did he answer mosenu I mean again
we're we're we're we're being told that
a conversation takes place and we're
left hanging we're left hanging because
we don't know whether isra agrees to
come back or not yes or to stay or not
was his name at this moment HOV his name
changes periodically in the Torah and
the rabbis will discuss just like yob
we'll discuss we'll discuss why right in
other words we don't unlike Yakov and
Israel we are told of the name change it
just changes it's it's different okay
now there are a variety
yes I'm sorry say again
why does he want him to come very good
question I think he respects him I he
has given him very good advice
concerning the leadership of the people
and he and he what and he wants he knows
the will and as he says he knows the
Wilderness he can help them but he said
you have been the eyes no not been the
eyes you are the in other words what he
says is as follow translate all right
well I didn't translate I just copy the
translation so let's see all right
that's okay um it says
literally um where is
[Applause]
it you you have known or you know the
the paths in the wilderness and you'll
be our guide we you'll be for us eyes he
says okay not that
you no no no no that that's that all
right now by the way this all is very
important because does yro experience
Matan Torah or does he not experience
Matan Torah according to the specific
text it seems that he leaves and comes
back afterwards all right so we're going
to see the
following there are a variety of
different
opinions they are based if you look at p
number
three they are based upon two
two um debates the first between RAB and
Rua Le and the second between Reb yua
and
rebar all right the first debate is as
follows when did yro
arrive right the first
arrival according to one and it doesn't
tell us who says what in this case which
is sometimes happens
that never came before
Revelation the fact that it that that
portion is placed there is for another
reason he only comes afterwards it's one
visit and the conversation that
occurs ends
with that that was inot really belongs
in Bidar why is the Torah telling us and
it's very interesting Why is the telling
us about yro at that particular moment
if that's not when he comes that's when
he gives all the
advice no he wasn't there he was only
after says the ramban why was the text
placed there for one reason we just left
am which is a a a a narrative concerning
our devoted
enemy the Torah wants to balance that
text with the discussion of is who
is right now the Torah wants to balance
amake with Israel now this is very
important I've said this
before unfortunately too many Jews don't
know this we respect
non-jews as long as they respect us
right and as long as they in other words
we believe that there is a value to
every human being and we believe that as
long as they obey
considered to be the basic moral laws
then we respect them and and we them and
there
are I said last week I believe that I
would love to have them sit next to in
ganaden
bezas next to someone who is not Jewish
who saved Jews during World War
II right their place in ganeden in my
mind I would like to see it and I'd like
to share it so this is but this is very
important because
unfortunately
unfortunately many Jews fall into a trap
of feeling that because God is with us
and we have a special relationship that
means we are automatically Superior to
everybody else automatically Superior
and you know you can steal for non-jews
you can do this from non-jews you can
treat non-jews differently now yes there
are different laws Vis A V non-jews and
Jews but
rakov ketki I told you this would greet
the mailman every day when I told the
story to someone this week he said and I
was my family was close to rakov kinety
so I'm sharing this with you someone
said that he said that it's a story
whether it's true or not that a nun was
present at his
funeral and when someone said to the nun
why are you here at theun funeral she
said because when I walk through the
streets so many people curse me uh spit
when they see
me this man always had a smile and said
hello and that's why I'm here at the
layia right now that's that and there
that's what the kind of face that we
should put to the outside world all
right so therefore the Torah is
balancing says says uh EV Evra the tol
is balancing a with is it
plays advis to amink oh were they that's
a
medish the med says that yro and and
korak event begin as advisor part but
it's not
certainly uh am as well
certainly certain right certainly
certainly the medish says that but the
text does not so I'm I'm trying to stick
close to the text and see what the
rabbis do in terms of dealing with that
text all right so have Ezra one visit
one
conversation when after Matan Tor and
this debate about whether he comes
before or after actually mirrors another
debate and that is Vish ISRO what did he
hear what what was it that he came that
that caused him to come and the answers
that are given if you take a look it's a
debate between Rua
and
the reab yua reua
says sh it's just like the Torah says
what comes right before his
arrival
I'm what is say no
now if he hears about Matan Torah what
does that mean that that he's not there
before Matan Torah it's only after
montoro that he arrives or or perhaps
comes and goes but but the the debate
therefore is what did he he what caused
him to come was it the victory of Ben
Israel Over Am miraculous Victory or was
it that he heard about the tremendous
event that took place at Hari next so
that's the E the ezzar though the ezzar
says one visit one conversation happens
after Matan Tor the
ramban the ramban does not like
um does not
like um you know that non-chronological
he always tries to stick to the text as
it
unfolds so what does ran say says the
following
I'm actually going to the like the four
Fifth Line
K according to the
ran the leaves when Moshe says you're
welcome to go come comes back after
Matan and the conversations unfold as
they unfold in the text in other words
there's a conversation before Mator
where mosha Renu learns from y's advice
and then says okay you can go home now
and there's a second conversation when Y
is after Matan Tor now the problem with
the ramban of course is the absence of
any indication in the text that isra is
taking these trips right in other words
and he just suddenly appears why does
the Torah say that
yes specifically that he brought saora
and the two children and they had to be
in T So how do you explain that all
right the answer to that is that that it
could be according to those who say he
comes after manant Tor that seora and
his children did not that doesn't make
sense all right well uh well you're
taking a side in the debate that's fine
all
right right right right right Ro we we
Wells
correct he his well he may have wanted
it but see the other the other mystery
and I didn't bring this into the text is
it yro comes and brings the family and
it says in the Torah you have
it after she was sent away where when
was she sent away that also is no
there's no indication we said we said a
possibility was that that she left after
M's life was threatened and she saved
him through the briso but one way or the
other she goes she is not there for for
the and and yamu it would seem right
okay so you're taking one side in the
debate and and you're bringing good
evidence but others say otherwise okay
the bra
now according to the
bravel also I want to stay by the shot
are you on page on page three four four
page four the second paragraph page four
the second paragraph ranel says he comes
be very simple he comes before Matan Tor
which is the first year of Ben isel's
sojourn or stay at
Mahari he stays
for the it says two years that's wrong
he stays for a year and a half because
they they're not there for two full
years he stays through the entire
pageant through the entire event which
means according to ranel that when Mo
mosha said you can go home he said what
no I'm going to stay and he stays and
that's why he's there after Matan to
because he never left that's another
possibility okay this far not all right
so so those are
among those are among the different
possibilities as
to the the
chronology and the timing of his visit
to harini is it before is it after is it
both is it a variety of different
opinions next
question does he stay all right does he
stay after Moshe begs him to stay Torah
doesn't tell us so once again as would
expect there are a variety of different
opinions I've just just brought a
sampling of
them he says I'm going to go back and he
gives an interesting reason he says
shal because I'm an old man and I can't
I going to a new place I won't be able
to to manage I won't be able to to
survive to thrive in a new climate in a
new place you hear this this sound
familiar all right okay a lot we're
going to see sounds familiar all right
this is basically the sno is saying that
like we know people we know other it's
been difficult sometimes for us and
others don't come because of the
difficulties correct so this is one one
thing that's possible ISRO is going back
and according to the swo he's going back
we he he's old and he can't change his
ways now what
happens vov look at the
bottom the the again he doesn't address
the fact that that statement is before
Matan Torah but one way or the other he
basically says I'm I'm going to go back
I I'm I'm not going to stay and what
happens is he goes back but according to
the Sno his children remain all right
and that's why later in Jewish history
you'll find the children of Isel
involved with Ben yes is there something
that says why he go why he why he didn't
why they didn't go with him the children
go go back with him there's no
discussion there's assumption is he's
bringing the family for a reunion with
Moshe and they're going to stay with
their father in other words they're
going to stay there this
SRE says that he doesn't go all right
and look at what they this the SRE look
at the thing the arguments that he
raises all right I'm not I'm going back
why because I've got land I've got a
house I've got a family I'm a very
important person in my community right
what am I going to be when I come to I'm
going to go with you it doesn't it
doesn't make sense right the cfre is a
medish but the medish is again trying to
explain the and saying that he's
offering very valid reasons as to why he
won't come as many do today about Aliah
right don't want to leave I'll tell you
on a very personal level
Aliyah has not always been easy for me
because when I was in Englewood I was
the
rabbi and and it I had a position and I
had a and there were 800 families that
were dependent upon my advice at times
etc etc don't have that anymore and the
the transition is not always easy and
that's what he's saying he's saying the
transition is not easy the transition is
not easy and I don't want to make that
transition I want to go back I want to
be big big big person in my community
I'm a diione I'm a judge I'm not saying
that's the
medish another
Med he says the following and it's
similar it's similar in a way to what
the first medis says the first statement
which isar
all right I'm looking at the second
underlined section second paragraph
second underlined section what does he
say he says a candle only benefits
people in the
darkness a candle will not benefit
people or even be
noticed when the light comes from the
Sun and the Moon now what is he saying
he's saying Moshe you're the sun
yahushua is the moon I will be any
I won't be able to make a huge
contribution which I could make going
back to my
community and therefore I'm going to go
back and in the second in the last
underlined section of the
ramban he offers a series of potential
reasons as to why he won't go back and
again they're somewhat familiar but in
this case he basically says
that I I'm necessary back there
I'm necessary back there and not only
that he says people have given things to
me that they expect me to return
Pon uh certain loans of of certain items
and I have to go back I got to finish my
business I got to I got to do that all
right also another possibility he that
this was a famine year and the people
were basically going to
be uh depend on him and depend on
certain things that they gave to him
which he was supposed to give back and
it's going to be
a if he doesn't go back and take care of
his business so he's got to go back all
right and finally if you take a look at
the ramban the ramban we already said
okay the ramban already said that yro
came and went and the second occasion
according to the ramban and I didn't
tell you this when we said the talked
about the ramban the ramban says he
stayed period that he stayed and was
convinced by mosha to
remain okay so these are among the
opinions that are offered to our
questions but what's the biggest
question and don't look at the last page
please what's what's the biggest
question if too late the biggest
question is what
okay that's a very important question
but and and that also is debated is does
yro become a g does he convert does he
become part of the Jewish people left
left for us to determine but what's the
biggest question the biggest question is
why does the Torah leave all this
mysterious why isn't it giving us the
information we need to be able to say
okay we know when he came we know when
he left or didn't leave we know he
stayed why is the Torah giving us this
story in partial terms and leaving us to
try to struggle and all of those trying
to struggle with the questions of the
text so what when the Torah omits things
when the Torah doesn't tell us things
very
often we learn as much from the
omissions as we learn from the
inclusions so here what is the Torah
leaving out so I the answer I think now
you can turn to that page if you haven't
all right this is page number six page
number
six
right if you take a look at the second
bullet on the
top we'll begin with the distinction
between seeing and
hearing it says vishma Isel right and B
Israel over and over again what is the
the verb that is used to describe their
experience
V they
saw now in biblical text according to
kazal seeing and hearing are very
different
experien seeing means you're there you
witness it it's
powerful and it it you just see it as it
unfolds hearing is different hearing is
quieter hearing is more
distant but hearing also has the benefit
that you have the ability to comprehend
to study it's not that powerful
lightning thunder Etc hearing means I
hear and I I'm going to
contemplate is what do we say here o
Israel right because we don't see God
directly we here we we're we're supposed
to pick up the hints of kesh's
involvement with the word world and
presence in the world but we don't have
the benefit of seeing all right so the
the Israelites saw what happened at
siai ISRO
hears or or or ISRO experiences Sinai
but he hears about am and and all the
other things that happen now up to that
point now let's go to a medish the gorra
which is a very very powerful medish
I've studied this with you in other
years maybe I don't think this year the
medis changes the whole experience at
Hari in a very very powerful
way the medish says the following
kaig and again this is in the gar it's
in the tomwood god uprooted the mountain
held it over the heads of the Israel
ites and said all right it's your choice
accept the Torah and you'll live or I'm
going to drop the mountain on your heads
all right now why would the rabbi say
that that's totally antithetical it
would seem to everything we're told
happens at sin nishma we're accepting of
our own free will why does it to what
what are the rabbis trying to say that
it that that reflects
the Jewish people for
eternity what that god holds the
mountain overhead that if we say Berlin
is Jerusalem
uh okay interesting that's have
possibility all right for
the% intermarriage right okay all right
so what you're suggesting is that that
the scene of God the um holding over the
mountain over our heads is sort of a
sign for the generation ations to come
that if we obey God then we're going to
survive as a nation and if we don't we
won't all right good point that's a good
possibility
yesy you accept the Torah it will
protect you like interesting not and you
don't then you world will be
destroyed all right interesting same
same idea just a little bit further that
you said the mountain over the head is a
symbol of protection and dropping the
mountain is when we leave and and we're
not going to have God's protection and
we're going to we're going to assimilate
into an outside world yes I think that
gamar is addressing the issue of how
could have people have free will in Zas
and isma when they have witnessed so
many miracles okay this is a very
different approach and this is the
approach that I would posit as well do
the Israelites really have free will at
harena
no picture it you're standing at the
bottom of Haren and there's Thunder and
there's lightning and there's God
speaking and the sound of the chauffeur
and God says are you going to accept the
Torah what are you going to say no right
you're going to say no you're not going
to say
no there is coercion of circumstance
at
Hari what
sorry I'll get you I'll get you all
right so and and and the truth I think
of why that that that this is really
what the rabbis are saying is they
continue to say there comes a point in
our history where we accept the Torah of
our own free will where that which we ac
accepted hold on a second that which we
accept accepted
under stress and under force of
circumstance we will accept of our own
free will when is that time porm porm
why now why porm because PM is a turning
point in Jewish history porm is the
beginning of the non-prophetic era in
the National History of the Jewish
people God is now going to be silent
he's not going to tell us what to do and
we have to determine from the events
around us what we should do and what it
means Etc that's why puim is the
antidote or or the response to the
duress of sin and therefore kazal
say at the time of har God held the
mountain over their
head forced them through circumstance to
accept the
Torah there comes a point in Jewish
history where morai and Esther go
through a narrative that that could
could conceivably be explained as a
series
of fortuitous
coincidences and what do they say no
it's God's hand in history and the
people accept it Kim right which mirrors
also the language Kimu viu they they
obey they did what they were supposed to
do and they accepted is nishma it's a
different nishma at a different point at
a different point of history and the
rabbis are being very very honest here
they're basically saying you can't say
that the Israelites really had Free Will
and that's one way to interpret this
medish and personally that's that's the
approach that that I like because I
believe it's very honest and I believe
it really mirrors the facts and it
explains why they say purm is the
antidote all right now because of
that I'd like to suggest why the Torah
leaves isro's
experience
hanging yro is potentially the only
individual in the story other than
Mosa's
family who might not have seen all the
things that everybody else saw right
it's possible again he did it's possible
he didn't see Mator it's possible he did
but he's he is potentially the one
person at matanto
who is what most like
us and the Torah says because he's like
you and because he may not have
experienced the coercion that everyone
else is
experiencing we don't know what he
decides it's left hanging because the
truth is that all of us really there's
no given right we all have to work to
accept we have to work to believe we
have to work to obey the mitzvot it's
and there's no
guarantee and there's no guarantee for
our children unfortunately you know
would be great if we could guarantee
that every child who grows up in an
orthodox home will remain Orthodox and
and and observant but the fact is
there's no guarantee right and therefore
the Torah wants to project that one
individual and the Torah wants to leave
the details out because the details are
uncertain the details are uncertain and
therefore the Torah tells us about yro
but doesn't tell us when he comes
doesn't tell us if he stays doesn't tell
us if he converts because the Torah
wants to leave all
that blank now fill in the blanks fill
in the blanks
yes are building the he had to go down
to see it for himself right correct a
very good
point
right was on a very high level byma if
you say he had to see well he didn't see
the see the maros he heard about them
and look at the level of a that he was
able to reach by that is what we're
saying that is what we're saying we're
saying that potentially if Yos chooses
to stay and is Miser and converts then
look at look at someone like us who
didn't experience all of those pressures
and has to choose and has to choose and
he's a symbol of of people in our
communities across the ages who are in
the place where they have to make
choices now having said
that let's assume for a moment that yro
converts if he converts there's another
message here and that is how we're
supposed to deal with conversion and
what we're supposed to feel about
converts and I'm going to start by
throwing out the
question how do we feel about conversion
in Jewish thought uh is it something
that we welcome or something that we
don't we discourage why do we discourage
it's not necessary thank you because
it's not necessary in other words we
have to understand that the discourage
the initial discouragement of con conv
verion is not because we don't want
converts it's because we want them to
understand that they don't have to do
this they can be righteous they can be
we the only religion that basically says
you don't have to be like us to earn
Heaven you don't have to think like us
in order to be saved we're a religion
that basically says we have our
Traditions you have yours as long as you
obey
as long as your Traditions are not
idolatrous as long as Etc then you don't
have to do this okay so so that's why we
don't encourage conversion because we're
basically saying you don't have to do
this now next how do we discourage a
convert what's the initial
discouragement that we
say do we say yeah go ahead we you point
out the the difficulties in Jewish
history the tragedies being Jewish and
say you really want to join a people
that has been okay very good very good
the first thing we say to the convert is
not you can't eat at McDonald's anymore
or or or you can't you whatever it might
be the first thing we say to the convert
is are you aware that the Jewish people
are A persecuted people across the ages
that we are and the is very specific
we've been pushed we've been shoved tell
them the whole
thing and only if they
say a in spite of that this will be an
honor for me to become a part of the
Jewish people only then after they
accept that you begin to teach them the
the mitz vote which basically indicates
a very important thing and that is
Judaism is not just a religion right
Judaism is a
and to become Jewish you must first be
willing to be part of the nation before
you can begin to accept its laws but
isn't Judaism a way of life Judaism is a
way of life sure sure sure a way of
absolutely but it's also a national
identity of course all right and and you
have to be and I'm I'm going to tell you
a story about this in a little while
that that brings this home to brought it
home to me very very clearly and will
bring home to all of
us what I'm
sorry oh interesting okay they would
want them to be attracted by the wealth
of
shos okay all right so so understand
understand that the first now that the
first step the convert has to take is
the convert has to say I want to be part
of your people I want to be part of your
nation not mitzvot yet that comes after
that
commitment and in a sense in a
way that mirrors the journey that we
take at the beginning of our national
history before you arrive at Sinai you
have to be willing to throw your
lot in with that people going out into
the Wilderness you have to be willing to
say I'm going to follow this man that I
don't really
know because he's promising things that
are worthwhile and and we want I want to
accept them it's only after we leave
Egypt and go into that desert to the
unknown that we can then receive the
Torah and begin to be a nation so the
conversion mirrors are steps and I'll go
even
further the rabbis say that the rich
rituals that are present at conversion
do you know where they come from they
come from what we did at
har according to kazal the rituals that
are that
comprise a
conversions
transition are the very same rituals and
things that we did at har what are they
Brisa for a man circum decision for a
man right immersion the Torah
says they washed their garments and the
rabbis say whenever the Torah tells you
they wash their garments it means they
also immersed and cabal Torah and
acceptance of the Torah at Hari which
means that you and I are descendants of
converts we're all the same that to
become Jewish we had to convert with no
I'm saying I'm saying at
harini there was a national conversion
and other words every individual at
harini who who is accepting the Torah in
a sense is converting from their
previous life to Judaism so the women
immersed and the men the the men
immersed as
well the maner as well all right at
least according to the tradition it
doesn't say it in the text outright but
that's our understanding and what what
what the rabbis are saying is that
therefore converts should be welcome
once they convert and this is a serious
issue because I was very involved with
issues of conversion in the states and
very often converts who were gay redic
were perfect not perfect but wonderful
converts would say that we have trouble
breaking into the Jewish Community we
have trouble you know if there are a
young woman I have trouble finding
someone who's willing to marry me and
and I'll tell you a story I'll tell you
two stories actually I'll tell you they
are both experiences that I had in the
conversion process probably tell you
three all right let's start with one the
first story is I I was working with a a
Jew a wonderful girl who had been
sexually assaulted on the college
campus and when that happened she
dropped all her
religion and she said eventually you
know I want to be religious I'm going to
study various religions and I'll pick
one and she picked Judaism all right so
can't have someone better than that if
that's what that's how you she starts
right she I worked with her and I worked
with her
and over the course of the time that I
worked with her she met a Jewish
fellow who came from a non-observant
family when the parents of the fellow
heard that he was possibly going to
marry a convert they were up in arms
they were up in
arms and to make the story The Circle
complete
that family was from Anglewood New
Jersey before I became the rabbi in
Anglewood so in other words I had no
idea that I was ever going to be
connected to Anglewood and I called up
this family and I called up the rabbi
who was there at the time who ended up
being the rabbi amerus during my time
and whatever so it brought the whole
circle around eventually they accepted
it and they they married we were present
at the WB
it was a very strange wedding for us
because it was like in a country club
and everyone looked like looked like the
kennedies but but
somehow and they they raised leaders in
the Jewish Community they raised leaders
in the Jewish community so I and and
that family had to accept and and they
did okay that's the first story Second
Story doesn't end as well
Second Story is I was working with
another young lady for conversion and
something didn't feel right and I
couldn't put my finger on it I couldn't
I could not understand what it was that
was bothering me she
was don't on one second she was learning
all the things I wanted her to learn she
was accepting the mitzvot until one
night I get a phone
call and she says to me the
following I just saw a show on
television about the showah about
Holocaust I could never be a part of a
Nation the world could do that
to yeah I I don't
remember many conversations verbatim but
I remember that statement word for word
I could never be a part of a
Nation kazal were
brilliant kazal said what's the first
step to conversion you have to be part
of of a war a nation the world can do
that to she didn't say I can't can't be
part of a world that could do it to the
nation right she basically said I don't
want to be the victim and Kaz were
brilliant and then and this showed me
their Brilliance because here was a
young lady who ostensibly was going to
convert but didn't want to be part of
the Jewish
people there's a lot more to talk about
about conversion
especially in the states it it's gone
through some major changes and maybe
someday we'll we'll discuss it as well
but the message that I want to to bring
home is that righteous converts are
welcome in our community and should be
welcomed to our community and every day
you state that you know why you state it
there a in
the that says
all
right right we want to be like Sim like
the gay redc those who convert for the
right reasons and are righteous they're
people we look up to and in a sense we
should okay that's that's it for now