Parshat Tazria: Blood and Blood, Law and Ritual by Rabbi Ari Kahn

and I'll explain some of this in a moment have to stop and try to explain a little bit and and then again it's it's not necessarily other than it's the Paran I should explain things but it's not necessarily the time and the place to explain all of this in great detail but I will say the following that we had a woman we have a woman who gives birth and then there is this tum which we need to Define and then we have an a comparison which is drawn and that is and it's similar to but the only thing is n had not been mentioned yet in the Torah so you're supposed to understand the reference by something which we have not been told yet and then we're told that there's another 33 days and during these days it's so which is it is it t or is it Tuma but it says T so what's going on here so to try to explain this the laws of Nida which are not referenced yet or not clearly understood yet are actually introduced in the Torah in two separate independent sections which means it's a law which has two different elements to it one element is within the rubric of tum and tar and I will go on to say and then until this very day there are repercussions that it has to do with tuman and on the other hand it is something which is part of the arot which means the list of arot it also talks about forbidden relationships of having relationships even people are married if there is a situation of Nida so what we have over here is a law that I'm not even going to call it a hybrid because I'm not convinced that that's the right word it's a law which has two different identities it is listed within the laws of tantara which I still want to explain I I think that the best definition of t which one do we want you want to start with tar Tuma I think Tuma creates a situation that one cannot be involved in things which are kadosh I think that without having the word kadosh in the sentence you can't understand the word Tuma and now what is tar tahar is when one can be involved so therefore if somebody is in a state of of tum and there are various types of Tuma that that means that that person cannot be involved in something which is kados which means it's very much of a topic it's very much in terms of the mishkan it's very much in terms of Corban and then you can continue Trum I mean all kinds of it has to do with which means that t is something which can't be reconciled with Kus and in order to be able to be involved in Kusa if you again lack of a better word Holiness then there needs to be a situation of tahar so therefore what I'm suggesting is the words are relative to the mishkan generally or if you want a more specific term now on the other hand there's as I already stated there is a Prohibition in terms of even if people are married to have relations if there's a situation of nid and that relationship is not because of the tum of the mishkan type that has to do and by the way here you have K you have kushin you have marriage but nonetheless it's also considered to be part of the arot now in terms of the it's really interesting that the do somehow I said I didn't before I don't want to use the word hybrid that rather it fits into two different categories but there are going to be certain laws which will come from one and certain ones from the other including leniencies which will exist and as I said before until this very day just for for an example that that when it comes to to Manar then if if blood is seen it has to be on something which is quote unquote called Mel tum why because it's a question of tum ask meel Tuma colored garments are not not Mel Tuma so therefore the whole situation where sometimes people would be encouraged to wear or it happens to be that something was Sor on something which is colored why that comes back from the whole laws of mikash mish and Tara but it spills over to the other area as well and therefore again somebody has to be knowledgeable in both of these and how these work together and not everything is clearly understandable say for example rev will say anything which is paper is not Mel so therefore not everybody will necessarily agree so therefore anything that has that that that was seen on paper he would just say doesn't count even if there's lots of reasons to believe that should count more and as I said this is not necessarily the time and the place to discuss this in Greater depth but that's why this is so interesting over here because it speaks about T from childbirth now presumably when child birth takes place then you're going to have blood which will be there as well certainly natural childbirth and that creates a type of tum but afterwards you have dear dear is a situation whereby this this woman after till 40 days she can't go to the mishkan but she can be with her husband so therefore the any blood there is really considered to be from trauma and at that point and not something which is considered to be uterine blood or blood having to do with Nida so therefore you have this this interesting situation which is suggested over here whereby the two different aspects don't necessarily mesh completely and they're for in terms of relationship with a spouse it would be permitted assuming she doesn't try to kill you at that point and on the other hand when it comes to the mishkan it still would necessitate there to be separation so I'm saying that is you know part of what's interesting about these uh verses and therefore you see that there's kind I'm going to stop right there I don't want to get ahead of myself but it it does say towards the end as we continue here it talks about what needs to be done and so on and so forth and okay so over here and at the very end now over here it's theen it's in the Mish it is something which is ritualistic it's something which is part of VRA in terms of the distance or the proximity that one can have toward towards the mishan and as we've spoken before I mean saying previous years about this that this Corban at least partially seems to be a Corban about re-entry into mishkan life re-entry into life OFA Vis the the mishan or the Corban and so on in the following chapter which is Source number two and so on again so over here we are not necessarily this is almost according to all commentaries not dealing with what is called Hansen's Disease which is leprosy there's a lepre colony not all that far from here those of you know the history of Jerusalem so I know many people before wanted to check into that get a little uh downtime yeah a little downtime but as I said that's called Hansen's Disease and that's something which is physical and for the most part the rabis seem to be saying that what we're dealing with over here is not something which is physical but rather something which is spiritual the most important element that I want to point out is that it does not say that you go to a skin doctor right doesn't say that you go to somebody who's an expert in terms of this area that they have training in terms of understanding different things which could be on the skin oh by the way extension or on the house right it doesn't say that you get somebody who knows how to deal with uh r or all kinds of colors which may be coming on your wall but rather it's dealing with something which is a spiritual phenomena and therefore it's the cohain who's going to look at it so over here we have two different sections and the two different sections right and by the way you could say oh that's T and that's mits even though this section about the mits is really in tazria I mean mats has more of it we don't let go of that so quickly but what we have over here is the situation of the woman who gives birth we have the situation of the person who has Sarat as I said or the house that has Sarat clearly I'll say it again ritual laws I mean if I had to divide things these are ritual laws these are laws that have to do with tahar mean if I were to think about the division of the mishna these are not laws that were go inim these are not laws that will go even in in Mo and so on rather these are laws have to do with tar the these are laws of of tahar with implications in terms of uh of Kim in terms of dealing with corbon not as well so and therefore if I were to think think about the four sections of the there's nothing again if I were to think about the in terms ofos I looka other right restate that if I look at the laws of Nita then I'd be looking at the laws of Yura because that has to do with things which are essentially spiritual that's for the most part youra but again this is that was this disconnect between this is you Mayar and we're dealing with Tuma in terms of the mishkan and not necessarily in terms of the husband full stop full stop so as I'm reading learning reviewing thinking and and it's really a question of listening to the words over here that it occurred to me to explore something which you'll claim is really convenient because what we're going to do is we're going to leave bya completely not just leave tazria and Ms or not just tazria not just mits but we're leaving via completely and we're going to something which depending on who you ask may or may not be connected but you'll see right away why it intrigues me and that is Source number three Source number three is in that itself could tell you something when something is beyond you in terms of law so this is by the way now if I go back a second and think quickly oh if this is law then this should probably be in Ezekiel and if this is law this is this should probably be in if you're dealing with law right law judges and so on but then he uses the following turn of phrase now let's just just stop for a second is why this would intrigue me because we have reference to two out of three I mean that's easy two out of three damam I mean by the way that was that that was the whole first discussion the differ damam and then we have Nega laa and that was the whole continuation of discussion which means again I don't have to justify why at least I want to explore this because it first all the sound the the the words it's the sound of the thing secondly of course then you want to investigate and say hold it is there really a connection over here but by the way if that's not good enough let's just read the next and and and it's over here that we have a slight disconnect and slight confusion on our part because it says you should come to the and the so now which one is it you know if it's we started Mish is Judgment Mish is is the legal system mishpat is the courtroom but then what's the damam D what's the Nega Nega what just simply what do these words mean you know see to a certain extent what we're really going to have to now do is just figure out what's just what do these words mean and and what are they trying to tell us so let's again pause there for a second and then we have a second perhaps interrelated but perhaps independent problem what does it mean when it says I understand to go to the and again if that's not enough again we focused on the right and and by the way those of us who don't recognize it these are the verses which really give the authority to the high court so this is really about what we would call today an our vacula Sanhedrin this is the high court so then what did we so what's the Dum and what's the Nea doing over here and for that matter what are the kohanim doing over here because that also seems to be disconnected and it's that language it also is interesting the Torah which they'll Rule and the mishpat which they'll say and by the way I'm not I'm not leading you in any direction right now I'm just saying that needs to be resolved what exact and doesn't actually even mean that we're going to resolve it I'm just pointing out that that needs to be understood and that's the famous verse that's the that gives authority to the rabbis in order to create rinic laws and by the way it is possible that the different law the different formulations that we saw a moment ago was between received law and that could be rulings that could be Torah versus when they create new laws or new interpretations or new applications of law so that could perhaps be a a different terminology which is used so we actually have two independent interrelated problems one what does all of this mean on its own because it seems to be contradictory information or contradict the indications and on the other hand is this somehow connected to we you know where we started today and does one inform the other and and essentially what then is the relationship between the two so that if but if we're talking okay if this section is a section that deals with the high CO High Court why are we talking about ritual what does what does the court have to do with ritual we like to look for Spiritual reasons but but no this is not a legal issue that's a see that's exactly the tension are we dealing with issues of ritual or we dealing with issues of law if we're dealing with issues of of law then the place to go is the court if we're dealing issues of ritual so then we need to find the right way to address ritual which very much sounds like from we started today you go to the cohain which means so which one is it and then on top of that I said this may be an interrelated issue what do you have the Cain doing over here which may be part of the resolution but we still have to work things out properly if it's a question of does this person have Sarat what in the world does that have to do with the court nothing to do with the court see you're you're you're over extending I I'll explain it's okay you're not the first you're not even the first one this week in my class to overextend I didn't even give the same class the rabbis yeah but that's not a necessarily a legal issue it's legal issue where there's legal recourse the gumar will tell you there's seven different reasons for SAR but forget about SAR can we stay with the first case of the woman who gives birth Dam Lam what does Dam Lam have to do with him what have to do with the court system why why why you bothering me I'm kidding but I'm I'm saying no no that that's exactly I'm saying that's exactly my question so it just seems to be that there's counter indications that I didn't I didn't say contradiction counter indications over here and we're not exactly sure first of all is this section related I I I told you why did I feel this is feeling we're allowed to feel now why did I feel that there's a connection it's because because some of the words over here just seem to suggest that there's a suggestion and now what we're doing is we're exploring it and then we figured something out that this section even though it's very simple right a high court but I see I don't know how much you know to what extent the high court is a problem that it doesn't exist and to what extent it was a fear in the very early years pre-state and also once the state was created that the rabbis would try to create a Sanhedrin which by the way could solve many many issues the major people that were against it were people who were in the lack of a better term I'll call them Ultra Orthodox because they didn't want anyone to think that such power actually existed so I I could pick on the Kish for a moment if you want I'll uh point you towards the a thousand Page biography which Benny Brown wrote on the Kish it's in Hebrew enjoy I don't know if it was translated and there are a couple of sections over there which would very much show how the Kish was fearful of it I I'll tell you one maybe two in uh the very early 19 1940s a question arose you know some of the background of it and that is that you had a group of people known as the Mir Yeshiva the Mira escaped where did they escape from China Mir they escaped from Mir this is like a trick question where did the Mira escape from they escaped from Mir okay Mir no exactly by the way and and and people can't get this right either where do they go oh there's a place called Mir yes there's a place called Mir in bellus I think that's where it would be called today and they escaped from me and they ended up going a number of places and they were in Kobe Japan and they ended up in Shanghai and and and they weren't the only people there I mean there was a whole group of people but part of the problem that came up was the question regarding the International Date Line which means where is the date line and what do you do about things like Shabbat there were a group maybe even all of them I'm not sure how big who did have a possibility of getting out of Japan and coming to to America but they would have crossed the official date line right around yam Kipper and therefore they decided rather than two days yam kipur to wait of course they waited in the next time that they were able to come was already after December 7th and some of you were old enough to remember what happened on that day so therefore that never worked out and they end up getting stuck there for years but that that was part of the background so different people that were there wrote to different rabbis just like today everyone wrote different rabbis the Kish was asked and other kachinski Rabbi Herzog and others so of Herzog who was the chief Rabbi at the time he said let's gather all the rabbis together and let's sit and discuss this and let's give one answer and the and and he sent someone to the he sent someone to the K is to invite him as well if I'm not mistaken and this is in a different biography with biography of rev gorin rev gorin was the one who was he was a younger yiva student at the time and he was the one who was sent to the Kish and the Kish smiled and said absolutely not I'm not coming I'm not joining any because he did not want there to be some kind of of an official body and rather what he did is he gave a ruling he just wrote a ruling before they had their meeting and what ended up is like three different rabbis gave three different opinions and even the date line therefore so where's the DAT line there's no agreement the date line and and the Kish gave a very funny ruling I mean his dat line is a total zigzag because he thinks that any land mass should be included so therefore he has to bend it around land land masses and others did not necessarily agree with that and others didn't agree we the date line should be and don't worry only roughly 25% of the world is under uh a mlo regarding which day it is so but it's only 25% the other 75% were pretty good but 25% of the world people don't agree and and by the way just in case you say well why don't we just follow the International Date Line well maybe we should but that also works with a certain assumption and that is that grenwich England is the center of the world now I don't know where the date line is but I know that gr England is not the center of the world but but maybe there's no such thing maybe it's completely artificial I and just in case you want to actually think about this a little bit more then look up about Samoa not sure Samoa Western Samoa they they've uh they've moved the DAT line over the years which means they they were on one side they were the last country they actually celebrated July 4th twice one year in the 1800s and then they decided they didn't want to be the very end of the world they wanted to be the beginning of the world and they shifted and they they moved they moved a couple years ago so therefore in case you think the whole thing is real and there's also a wonderful story from Edgar Allen po called three Sundays in a week so you can read that as well if you want great insight and that was before there was a dayline let me me get back to the point and by the way the another point when the chief rabet after the Holocaust said let's make a day to commemorate the Holocaust he said he said no who are we to make such days but it came back to issues of authority because once we start think we have authority then who knows what we can do with the authority and there's a lot of good things we do with the authority as well but then we're trusting a group that a lot of people don't necess trust today and that's the chief rapnet and I'll just give muster to our entire Community everybody extended is that we have not invested in training people to become rabbis judges diim and rabbis of cities and so on and then we complain of the situation but we've completely abandoned it instead of T sending our children to medical school and accountants and dental school and whatever else it is that we became so you can't have it both ways either we have to invest and raise our children to be able to take these positions or uh be quiet silence okay let's continue so this section has to do with the high court but again we're not really sure what to do with it the ramban says and this is a longer ramban this is not the whole thing I hope you realize I should have put three dots before it's the middle of a sentence which means essentially he's saying that this whole section is only dealing with legal issues and the yeah that has to beot now this is wonderful what the ran just now did he solved all of our problems D the down doesn't really mean what you thought it meant and remember I said that you know I'm hearing these words I'm saying hold it this is pretty similar to what we're up to in uh in tazara and he's saying no don't do that right the B saying stop don't do that this is all legal how do I know it's legal this is legal section this is dealing with the courts so if it's dealing with the courts then by definition all the terms which are used here are dealing with legal issues and therefore what we're dealing with are damages which may come from murder stealing with dealing with uh with wounds and so on and such things right okay we'll leave that and continue There is a gor in Sanhedrin which takes these words exactly which means the gor did what I said that that's what it sounds like yeah different types of of dam which could exist which could have different laws which is interesting because now we just went to the legal system right right which means we just now went back to Ritual so now make up your mind and then things which come out of verbalization which by the way are wonderful because that's also back in VRA again those those kinds of things where you make vows and therefore create Holiness re which by the way is ritual now again I'm just going to pause here one second we'll read a little more that those last couple words Mak is something we're going have to come back to but this Kamar San hedd had no problem interpreting these words against the ramban I mean you realize that's a little funny what I'm saying the ramban is saying let's read the the words in cont context it is about the court therefore everything has to be fit into somehow a legal or a court considerations and the gamar is saying well know what do these words mean and therefore it's taking it out of the legal and over to the ritual and if we'll be honest most of what the gamorra just now said was actually ritual which is which is pretty interesting there me here in Source six which I want to come back to now what was the other problem what are the again we're going to go back to that section with the court system we also had a kohanim and Aim so what are they doing there make up your mind if it's a court system then it's court system soash says by the way I am I am Source number seven the bound of the page I I hope and of course I mean it's a little actually hard to understand what elsid could have been the izra izra is by the way difficult he writes a source number eight Kashi which is wonderful because he doesn't tell you where I actually had to look at various additions of the Ian Ezra until I was able to find out what he was referring to and uh just to give credit where creditors do I ended up finding by looking in alhat Torah where they had where and not in the Hebrew in the Hebrew it had a footnote and it took me to someplace else the English edition English translation had a better footnote that took me to the correct place which we'll see in a second in Source number nine it this is right before so you'll be a country a whole nation of here the writes that means somebody who serves doesn't mean that you are a cohain it means somebody who serves so therefore it could have used the term by the way it's a little strange mean somebody who who serves by the way the rash goes in the same direction in 11 they served these are people who are in public service Source now that already is much more interesting because it saying that there's some kind of an interconnection between those who deal with rituals and those who deal with legal issues and remember we saw in the gar say no it's a special Court which court is it it's the high court what is what's the high court why is it special or what even creates the high court the high court only functions when it's adjacent to where the ritual is being done which means instead of there being these two absolutely independent parts of Judaism there needs to be something a little bit more connected and that seems to be the way that he's reading the verses we'll continue but don't ignore this because we're going to come back Rashi going maybe we could have or should have started with Rashi which means when you don't know something we don't know something it's hidden from you it it um there's something which has escaped you you don't know the law so now Rashi again Rashi unlike the ran who try to push everything rashi's yeah the ritual legal ritual so again this is really interesting because you see Rashi is reading it the way that again that I had heard it right away the now you realize that the who we saw before it's not so far from what Rashi was telling us but you also realize that Rashi took that line straight from the gar and Rashi is reading the gamar that we saw before right into the text over here and it was really The ramban Who saying yeah the gar is nice but that's not it can't Bea because what in the world are we doing is this a legal system or a ritual system the rashba and now you'll realize that the ran that we saw before it's coming from the same kind of a tradition how much blood do you have on your hands bam right do you have blood on your hands or not that that's the way that he's reading it I I'll read it again yeah so how much blood Mish right how much blood do you have on your hands is it something that was done deliberately or something which was done accident so it's interesting because the go you know tries to take it away up from the ritual but he can't because the word Nega was a little bit uh you can't you're stuck iben Ezra and by the way very often if you don't know this the ibben Ezra will follow the rashbam if you didn't know it he was very influenced by the we'll skip a little and same thing you know this is something which is legal so he just now went further than the rashbam did so what's Nega Vana it has to do when you were struck so it has to do with p of fighting one hits the other one one has a wound the other one has a wound and now the judge has to get involved and pay damages so essentially what the izra just now succeeded in doing is completely taking this out of any issue of ritual and taking it straight into the legal system the B also from the again this war follow the and you realize what he did he's influenced by Rashi influenced by the gumar as well B the you know straight off back to the ritual again and essentially what he's doing here he's just really following the Gar so there's nothing else which is extraordinary over here in s 17 and we're going to see soon where this is coming from so he's reading the verse that there's a preference in any Court to have people who are it's a preference or it's a preference is it absolutely does it if you don't have it does it yeah it still counts but it's a preference so when it said again I just want to go back and read that verse one more time when it says so the preference is in the court is to have coim but if not then you can still have a Chau fate and those were not necessarily two different Realms and again he's taking everything into the realm of the legal and away from the ritual Source 18 is a book called The rid being that you may not have heard of it I gave you a little biography and that is born around 1730 during the time of the villain Theon he was among the most prominent in VNA and a tet of the G own from the year 1766 he served as one of the leading judges on the rabina court of vilna so uh but by the way I I always question when they say oh this person's a student of the vnon I question how much anyone was a student of the Von we have no records of him ever having AA of ever teaching of ever the villon SAT and learned by himself and every now and then people would listen every now and then there were people who would consult and he would talk the great student ran I believe he only met with him once or twice a year and came with a whole list of of questions and then got his answers so I don't know how much anybody ever really learned with him the vagon was uh was the first official Colo student and he was supported he had a family Foundation that was supporting him for one of his ancestors had left money for him and uh and he never had an official position he was not the rabbi he was not the Diane he was not the Riva he he sat and and he learned but this is somebody who apparently had some kind of relationship with the fil Mone and let's take a look at what he says one is he says we'll start the first look at so let's I told you that we skipped that so I want to now come back to that which was in Source number six this is a mishna it starts with a mishna in and it says that there are different colors now again this is not the right time and place and I'm not going into this more than necessary right now but there is a certain training to be able to know what types of uh of colors or or I would say or considered to be n and and which are not and the mission tells you that there are different the then continues again this is how do you know that there is some shades of which are considered to be tame again you want me to say impure that create a situation of what we would call impur which means that again by the way completely ritual without any question and it's saying know there are different types of uh of d by the way who was the greatest Authority on such issues in the last 100 years yeah I know you don't know it's okay it's not your fault what it's not even a trick question no just someone you never heard of have the answer it makes it makes it somewhat challenging no but but on occasion I've you know tell people that are training and they've learned and and they and they rule in such areas and I'll ask them you know which missor do you have like what and and and by the way right then they have a little bit of difficulty so if you look at the very bottom of page four and I can actually hold up a picture the you don't have this this is a picture of the fellow looks like an orthodox Drew in the very B of page four you see there somebody whose name and you will now admit that you never heard of him Rabbi shiman Aon panse known as theer of never theer so you never heard of him right you never heard of him who was a great poek in Russia and then Jerusalem we also served the rabbi the B Israel neighborhood and he was revered by all the greats of the generation for his knowledge of story genius and Torah it is known that Frank would not rule on serious question receiving his opinion and of cook stated he was the number one scholar in Jerusalem he was known as a great exper in the laws of Nida and his M and rulings in the laws of tamim marot have influenced many generations of field most of the rabbis of Jerusalem and some of the greatest orbiters meaning pokim in recent Generations studied under him including ferner yose and others all of those people how never heard because you heard of all of those guys you never heard of him all of them have the M which is known the M of theer so I have this M from two different of the students of of his and that is the gold standard in terms of being able to decide on such on such laws and yeah you can pick on your daughter-in-law now and ask if she's ever heard of the tapa I'm going to call her up tell her to listen to your and and no but it's fascinating that all of these people considered theer to be the the again R cook said he was the biggest I think the the term of cook actually used was the biggest lomon in AR Israel but he was the most important PO he wouldn't take a job from the raban because the a guys in the a kind of leveraged him he was the ra of B Israel one of the little kids who grew up in be Israel all the time was a little kid named aadi y who calls him who called I have the exact term over here he calls him alofi the champion of my youth that's what he calls the taper so again it's it's it's very interesting there's actually a story if you go looking for you'll find the Radia he gives him credit theer for the fact that he actually stayed in Yeshiva and uh and became a rabbi but but that's aside from the fact that that all of the great rabbis who wanted to become pokim they all sat with him and they learned with him and they watched how he would Rule and they received his misora and they followed him and that's the funny thing so you here you have a little poor immigrant rabbi right that that that's what he was and but all the great rabbis knew that this is the this is the person that you need to learn with so therefore that's the reason why I had to stress this today because nobody's ever heard of him so at least a couple of you now will ever heard of him and some of you even now have seen the the picture good let's continue because the usami was interesting because the usami actually is using our verse to tell you that there is Dam tame and Tam tahar that there's two different that there there is required a ruling but that ruling is ritual and that is well let's let's stay with that a second because it's not as simple as I'm saying it let's continue because that today you know you don't need a cohain you for that cohain needs the rest of the process but who actually gives can give the ruling on that but let's continue but so he quotes thei we're still we're still with the vnon perhaps student right the rav and and so he quotes through Shi and he also then continues and says right par right again he's going so so again he's saying that these are this is not dealing with the way that some people wanted to argue that they're dealing with actually killing and so and so forth no go thisa and therefore it very much you have the ritual over here inter disperse together with the legal and as I said that's interesting and the only thing disappointed is that we have to wait till him to get this reference to take a look over there so that is really interesting that this connection between the is much sharper than we thought I'll explain more in a moment in Source 19 if we already quoted somebody who was perhaps a student of the Von so why not just quote the so that's in ver 19 right so again he something that we've already seen it is preferable there is a Mitzvah that on that on the court there needs to be calling him and L as well so now let's try to understand when he told us again their as have told us to take a look in the gamarra so I I I know why people can miss this gamarra because it's like the middle of a story which was like a really unfortunate incident and 20 it says IM there was once a story of a woman who was about Cohen gives you her name and it says that she had done something which was theoretically punishable and this Rabbi goes and he executes her by the way this is all completely bizarre where's the court where's everything else and this is in the middle of you were only mistaken about two things one is the way that you killed her which means capital Capital cases can only exist when there are kohanim when the BET mikdash exists now by the way this is all really interesting because we do know some other interconnections between them like for example somebody kig they go running off to an A M clad it's until the coing gal dies okay what if there's no coing gal anymore meaning what ha these different systems have some kind of inter relationship it's as if you need the BET mikdash and the K and that whole world of which is created by having the BET mikdash and then only then can you have the legal system giving out its legal punishments as well so he's saying to this guy guy this Rabbi who gave this punishment to this B Cohen he goes you go you killed to the wrong way and and what are you talking about killing people you can't go killing people this is like completely you know malpractice in the worst possible way the rambam in Source 21 in Hil sanedrin right so the r goes down and rules yeah that's what this means this P by saying is not telling you about some kind of interation between ritual and spir ritual and legal or judicial he say no the judicial system needs to have the Coen name as well then the r inour 22 he says you can only have Capital cases when the mdash exists so it's interesting whatever the RAB means by generally that means that it's t and not a t but it's interesting because was claiming that that's actually t I'm not getting into that more than I just now did but the RAM is understanding that references you cannot have a unless you have which means these two systems need to I'm not going to even say balance one another they need to coexist if they don't coexist you can't have one without the other and and that's really finally going to take us to rers because I think rers really is the one who's going to articulate this now just as a general comment rers is great in V rers is great when it comes to Corban rers is great in schot when it comes to the whole symbolism involving the mishan and theim and so on which means you know said the same things we wouldn't take it as seriously but when her says it so you know he's a EO so people take it far more uh far more seriously but he's very very good when it comes to interpreting symbolism and listen to the way that he described this process again he's here in it is the existence of the Das which gives the authority to the Sanhedrin to be able to exist and their hands were placed the traditions and the ability to pass over the accepted teachings of the Torah and they were all forgiven the abilities of interpreting making applications in order to make sure that the things is going to be relevant and again that goes back to the authority of the high court again and and that's part of our problem that we've have these two different Realms you know which one is this is dealing with rituals dealing with legal decisions and rash did all this based upon the gar reverse quotes now look at the way that he now moves over and he conceptualizes it these three Realms where we can have doubts as far as what to do so now he just now took Dam to issues of of I'm going to call it ritual for the for the moment but it's it's is in the sense of what's allowed and what's not allowed which for our world is actually much more Ura than anything else which is which is really in our world to so this becomes the laws which are again to a very great extent don't exist today we'll continue the next paragraph already mentioned in the last paragraph the connection between the existence of the sanedrin and the BET one of the elements of this connection is the fact that we need kohanim to be on the batin as well because both of them serve let's look at the words carefully they have the same agenda the same truth truths the the authoritative text of Tor of the Torah is there in the BET mikdash under the watchful eye of the they are the Protectors of and there therefore was placed near by the and the San are the ones with the authority that they're the ones who then pass on the toru now that is such an interesting way of looking at this interconnection inter dependence by saying these are the people who are in charge of and these are the people who are in charge of the T and it says right the comes to he has no more Authority than anybody else does I I actually you know want to pause here in a moment just I just want to check if there anything else I really want to see over here the I want to read to you really in you don't have this in front of you I want to read to you a really interesting which the ram States and this is in h so of course you realize that that's where we have to be looking today in so he writes as follows this is even though every anybody could observe and look question is what that means look at the at the Nim the statement that something is T or the statement that something is to her is completely dependent exclusively upon the Kain Kates and again and he's about to tell you something which I think really needs to be processed and understood but this is actually the issue Kate side how so a Coen who has no idea doesn't understand the rules right and it goes on and and then and then once the co says this and so on which up to the coin has to say it which means he's saying is that this is total ritual given in the hands of the cohain the same way that only a Cohen could you know could do certain things in the BET mikdash again how I don't I don't know a better way of expressing this of saying look how much this is ritual that even the co doesn't understand doesn't know doesn't right he needs meing to go back to this interdependence he needs the who has the M who knows the who's standing you know right adjacent to him because he's the one who's in the Sanhedrin and he comes over and he teaches him but it's the coen's mouth he has to come and say that it is okay or it is not okay why because this is this is ritual but the knowledge is is coming from over here but the but the could be the greatest in the world but he can't do it without the Kain and then it's stressed even with a Kain even a Katan no but he's still a Kain so that again that's really interesting because it's not a question of knowledge therefore he said even a it's not a question of knowledge it's a question is is that this is aain and the Kain has the job and only the Kain could do it and even thinks he knows he has to sit and learn he has to learn the M he learns it from the from his teacher and then he's able to do this so it's it's fascinating again this point of this interdependence I I just want to you know kind of uh make sure that we understand what the the takeaway is over here you know in in Judaism we have a judicial system and the judicial system is one that has to keep the peace it has to create a community and create by extension a society and they're the ones who are going to rule on all kinds of laws which again you need laws sometimes in order to create a society which is lives in peace it is really interesting that instead of saying well no we got the religious things and that's in the sh and that's in the beta mikash and that's all like ritual things and then we have the other things which are the practical legal considerations no they they need to be in the same place not only they need to be in the same place it is preferable to have some of those people who are who are the kohanim leim have them in the Sedin as well but then on the other hand the people in Sanhedrin they're going to need to teach the people who are the coim in order to be able to get the right answers the right understanding at times because there really is this interesting interrelationship between the two so therefore even that formulation that maybe initially we thought was somewhat jarring because hold so it sounds like almost like doesn't make sense because that sentence doesn't make sense because we're here we have ritual here we have legal and here we we have ritual again how does this even work and and then the the how does this work and the answer is yes the answer is yes that's exactly the point which means don't think that sa is off by itself don't think that all these laws have nothing no even even the Coen who's giving these rulings he's still going to need the in order to be able to receive the tradition and know to how to give those rulings and these things are ultimately far more interconnected the r her's point about that the colon are the one at least symbolically who protect the Torah sh was really interesting in terms of that's where the Torah is the authoritative Torah but it's the San hedrin are the ones who are protecting the Torah shal and they're the ones who are keeping it alive by making applications but but are we ever going to divorce between to to of course we can't of course that these things are interrelated and therefore it becomes all all all the more interesting but we saw along the way those who wanted insist no this is this whole section is a legal section and they try to force all of the words no dam ladan is you know killing on purpose killing by accident right Nega Nea no that that that that that's about hurting somebody that that that's you know you hit somebody you cause damage on on their person and those who said no this is VRA coming alive and and it's right here inim and the legal section because ultimately they you can't have full Authority really at all I mean again I'm not sure how much I'm stressing this you according to many there is no Sanhedrin unless there is a b to mikdash there is no Sedin unless it's sat in the right place and therefore the fear that some people oh they'll make a new sun hedrin no they really can't make a new Sun hedrin it does not have that Authority in maybe that also what they were not convinced that other people would listen but they you can't have a Sanhedrin unless that you know there's something else sitting adjacent on the Temple mount the two of those things need to come together you need there to be that balance and you can't have one without the other and and I I'll say this again because I say it all the time I think there are many people when you know Tisha rolls around they say listen I don't really connect that much to the to the beta mikdash the Corban not I really don't know even know what that world is to miss it but we very much be missing the legal system we very much be list you know living anytime that you're going to hear somebody say well you know is that koser not well he thinks it's Kure but he doesn't think it's Kure you know they use the Arab they don't use the Arab this MK is okay no it's not okay anytime you hear these kinds of arguments realize that if we had a bet angad those arguments wouldn't exist because the bet angad would give the ruling and that ruling is the bottom line and therefore when you think about the bet mikdash is destroyed because of some of the sinam is all of these arguments that take place and then you realize but if we had this we'd have less but the problem is destroyed it and now you see how much these things are interrelated