Parshat Chayeh Sarah: The Arrival of Avraham by Rabbi Ari Kahn

is okay okay that's it that's that's the only question we're going to I I would say primarily but it's more than primarily we're going to focus on one word today and that one word we're going to see what happened with it and how uh people took it in all kinds of different places some very very far some because of one word created an entire na an entire narrative and and uh we'll we'll say we'll say just start from the beginning I'll identify the word then I'll try to explain what exactly is the problem and what exactly happened so it tells us about the age of SAR the life of SAR and we're not going to delve any more into that we can just stop right there in the middle of the it really could have started there but right she died and she was 127 or she died at 127 so therefore the inverse over here is a little curious there is much to say about that there's much that has been said about that but we're completely ignoring that SAR dies and it gives us a location she dies actually two names that which some of you could say well that's interesting two names but what's really more interesting is there's a third name that it could have used and I won't pick on you and ask you what that third name should be so again there there's a lot there and we'll see how some will take that Abraham and ab now how do you want to translate V A I'll translate it an aam arrived you want a name for the shear that's what we'll call it abam arrived unless you want the arrival of Abraham you think that's more dramatic and ab arrived to or a came to to eulogize and to cry for Sarah and some speak about the sequence and that doesn't concern me at all and as we continue going on we have this dialogue negotiations that take place between a and the and says mam by the way was the third name that could have been used because the area which is called mamre is at least in some kind of a correlation with Kon and with and with kered araba again what the correlation is is it proximity or is it identical that is of less concern to me right now but you do see that that Mamay was just now added in as well and now if you read so that's why I'm saying that there was a third name but but don't get fooled that's not my main concern today to talk about that it's instead that other thing that aam comes or aam arrives and then the question is where does aam come from now that also we have to stop a second even though I asked the question and I even made it sound like a reasonable question question the first thing you need to really determine if that is in fact a reasonable question which means that okay let's make this easier is it a turn of phrase or is it telling us something about geography is it talking about a person's experience or is it talking about again some kind of a geographical statement Rashi is going to tell us really that it is a geographical statement and Rashi is going to build a narrative and that narrative is going to have a life unto itself and that will eventually lead to other elements of it and a whole story is going to be created and again I want to be a little careful I had a discussion with a with a rabbi it's always a bad thing to do on Tuesday and he tells me Rashi creates Pat what Rashi says is God now I understand where he's coming from where he's coming from is a world of confusion which we call or tanak for that matter and we want to try to make some kind of meaning out of the confusion you want to make order out of the chaos so in order to make order out of the chaos one of the things you can do is I need rules so one of the rules I can say is well give me Rashi right give me Rashi or give me death give me Rashi and Rashi then will determine what exactly are the the basic parameters and therefore Rashi tells it'sot now of of course he got carried away with himself because Rashi very often doesn't tell usot which of course will then take us to a far conversation and that is what exactly ISAT what's the best definition ofat whatever I say right that's you ask anybody what pad is that's what it comes out what they say is pad I mean that's uh what you say is your imagination your wild imagination or all kinds of other motives but that's it that that's the best definition of so don't misunderstand me on this either Rashi is our I don't want to say our first goto truth is Rashi is our second go-to maybe even our third the first go-to is the Kish second go-to is uncus the third go-to is Rashi and that's how we are trained to read but Rashi does a wonderful job of of of putting things together and again creating a story creating a narrative creating some fabric out of uh random strands and that makes something really compelling and really interesting so let's just look what Rashi does here a and it's interesting because he's going on the words again right before the aam arrives for what purpose does he arrive if you look back in in PK but right sah passes away the last half of the PK abam arrives in order to eulogize Sarah and to cry for her Rashi says so Rashi just now told us something which has to do probably with geography but but it's not just geography because it completely transcends it it tells us that the death of Sarah is told to us right after in the text and by the way this is not completely true because there's something in the middle but Rashi but Rashi is telling us that the death which is in told in per giml follows the AKA which was in pered and the way that Rashi phrases it and I didn't translate as I read it there is this following and it's placed next to one another it's Sam it's right next to one another the death of Sarah and the The Binding of why when she got word of that her son was chosen and was dedicated for slaughtering a lot of people misunderstand that that's Hebrew and doesn't mean he almost wasn't and he was almost and he was almost slaughtered it's not that she I know people I've heard rot why was she troubled because he wasn't killed that's not what it says doesn't mean that she was troubled he wasn't killed she was troubled he was almost killed the news of this was so dramatic and was so devastating that her soul departed and she died [Music] so Rashi is very straightforward that she dies now there is a problem and hold on a second and I'll try to describe what the problem is and the one who's going to do the best job in describing the problem and trying to solve the problem is going to be the ramban but I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself in Source number three Ina we see and here the midash is focusing on the and ab's arrival so it asked that question by the way as if it's a good question I told you from the beginning it may or may not be and that itself will be debated throughout the generations he arrived from T's funeral now that may come as a surprise to some of you for lots of reasons he arrived after attending the funeral now let's do a little bit of the math for one second Abraham Abraham is 10 years old and SAR we were just now told that SAR dies at the age of 127 if you look in Source number four now I don't know how to read that I I I could well aam's the oldest so I don't have to wonder if they were triplets or not because says he's 70 years old so it's probably he starts his parenting but a let's say is 70 and let's say AB is the oldest because that just will make things easier and then we're told dies at 205 so I even was kind enough to do the math for you the 205 minus 70 is 135 Abraham is 10 years older than Sarah that means AB Sarah is7 and ab is so abam is 137 when SAR dies so 135 is the age of Aram when ter died 137 is when Sarah died so now you read the mid where did he come from he came from funeral but that happened two years before so now you know yeah that that's that's exactly what's going on where did he come fromia he had come from Haram and by the way other than aam's Advanced age and maybe the difficult in traveling to say that he went traveling back to where his father lived and it took him two years years to travel to come back to me is not so uh I'm saying to me to to me that that actually sounds perfectly reasonable that that he got word his father passed away till the word came till he went there till he checked the will till till till everything gets settled and then he comes back which means to say that's what happens is not as crazy other than a much larger problem and that may be that AB never wanted to go out in that direction because that may cancel and all that I'll say now is that if you read perid and the insistence that y not travel there yes I know again you were rash and therefore is a Coran and you can't leave none of that is in the and actually may be contradictory to some information before which is dependent on something I'm going to hopefully get too much later but I'll say it quickly and that is that yak does go and he wants to go to Egypt and that's when God stops and says don't stay here but where does he stay it's erim so what's the larger question if erim is in fact part of ER or not now if I were a good proper card carrying Ultra Zionist then I would say it's of course it's part of uh err there's no debate whatsoever the only problem is that God may not agree and and and there may be a second indication as well well which means if y goes to ER go to Egypt it doesn't mean that he was told always to stay in Israel it was just told not to go to Egypt now to take that as an argument why he can't go and you know on a date up and find a wife that may be for a different reason I'm going to say it again and this is just to give you something to think about as you read the Kish hopefully or listen on Shabbat and that is that that would counter the and a mentions multiple times along the way it gets brought up and it's stronger than that because actually what Rifka is doing she's doing her own from her father's home from her birthplace and she's following and I'll tell you one more thing and now I'm really getting ahead of myself all of us if we did follow Rashi through which we may as well do it right now before we proceed and that is that if uh if a coming straight from the AA that means the AA took place when Sarah was 100 27 if SAR is 127 because she dies as a result of it if SAR is 127 then that did something because it turns Y into an age of 37 right so now y's 37 first of all I want all of you to admit whether you can or you can't it's okay if you don't do it out loud I want you all to admit that when you read The Narrative of the AA it did not sound like a 37y old man it sounded like somebody who was much younger I'm just saying please admit that at least then we and then we can continue then we can I'm saying then we then we can continue our conversation secondly so you's 37 years old but and here is where things go a little crazy and some of you may be troubled by this and if you're not troubled then I'm troubled why you're not troubled and the other reason you won't be troubled is because you're too firm to be troubled anybody who feels too from then just say it now because right then we're told about Rifka being born so if Rifka is being born 1 137 now we have more information later on next week's part going to be told that Yu gets married when he's 40 we're not told how old she is why because it's not polite so we're not told how old she was when she gets married but Rashi comes and says oh I'll tell you how old she was she was three years old how do you know she was three years old because we're told of her birth right after the AAA so therefore y's 40 she's three years old and some of you are going to say okay that makes a lot of sense and some of you are going to say what in the world does any of this mean so first of all let me tell you what it means that's more important than anything else to know what it means and that is if you realize that what RKA is doing is she is having her own aam experience the test that's being given is an aam test is she a woman of will she do crazy like AB does crazy go back to ab's Hometown give a test of she passes a test of and now let me remind you of something that maybe you forgot but that's the key to all of this according to kazal how old was Abraham when he first recognizes God answer three years old three years old now you realize why rius three years old because what it's trying to say is that she is like Abraham she is a spiritual genius full of like Abraham and then follows the abam experience of the leaving her home leaving her fathers you don't know where we get it from that she was that aam was three I'll tell you how we know it it's because it says a at some point God says because he listened so there say the what do you mean a if you do the gatria those of you who are big gatria fans aob equals 172 so it says that 172 out of ab's 175 years he recognized God and says from here we know that AB recognized there's a God from the age of three don't bother me about anything else but by saying that Rifka is three what it's really telling you is that RI is like Abraham which is the whole point to begin with which is why the test is a test of and now at least you have insight and again the purpose of the midrash is not to tell you history it's to teach you Theology and over here there's an idea behind it but then we get lost behind the idea and then you'll get people who say I can't believe that yuk married a three-year-old girl this is actually this is absolutely perverse and by the way of course it's perverse on the but on the other end it never meant to tell you that but stronger than that there is absolutely zero evidence to should I be stronger than that there's absolutely zero evidence that she was 3 years old at that time and even the imaginary evidence that's all that there is there's a there's a big difference between evidence and imaginary evidence because imaginary evidence is when somebody goes and tells you a story and what happens over here is that some tell us a story The only reason I have to again be a little more careful is that one of the people tells the story is Rashi and I don't want you to get mad at me so I'm not going to say it like that yet but let me just say it like this and again with this we can really start learning virtually everybody in rashi's subsequent school which means the toast fot and and on all of the toast commentaries that I can find they all in complete agreement that they don't agree with Rashi they they they don't go there they don't begin to go there they don't understand it that way so give me a little bit of time I'm going to try to make sense out of uh out of some of this so we were in the middle minding our own business in the middle of source number three and the first opinion was that he came from terra's funeral and the second opinion is that he came from the AA we'll read that second one again so therefore there's a Jos between the and between the death of s one follows the other because chronologically these are at the same time Source Four we saw the math you saw Source number five is interesting it's a that's how one communicates which means it's just a turn a phrase don't it's a turn phrase we're going to see some commentaries who are going to embellish a little bit more somebody has a job to do so he came and did his job but it doesn't mean anything else it's not a question of geography it's a question that the person has something to do and now he comes and he does and now it's interesting because the midash said that and it was really good and then it backs up butam ends of the second line but by the way I skipped the example just for some of you maybe that would be the most exciting thing in the class today this the example that it came was was actually by come and be with me so therefore doesn't mean you know from that he came from har it just you know come hither right I I know I didn't use a come hither voice and therefore completely ruined it but um but that that's that is the other you're laughing so that that that's the other opinion which is over here and it backs up by saying no it doesn't mean that geographically it's just that somebody has a task to do and and then it backs up from that and it goes oh and made Sarah same day even better now same day by the way that we should all be troubled by that the same day why should we troubled the same day because it took three days to get there why it only take one day to get back okay this teaches you that he was 37 years old and therefore he was 37 she's 127 so it's really interesting because he just gave us both interpretations one line after the other one is oh don't take the word ba all that seriously other oh yeah take it quite seriously and it's actually we're talking about the same day in Source six I just made sure that I showed you that she really was 90 when she has a kid and um you don't really need that and the same thing in seven and eight we know all that no ah in eight that's part of what I kind of bullied you about before to say admit that he really wasn't 37 and the problem is that he's that he's described as a n but on the other hand I have no idea what a Nar means for example when uh when bad Paro meets mosha who's three months old so yes Rashi tries to then explain it doesn't really mean that he is crying Beyond his ears Rashi says that the it's more sophisticated crying I I have to mention that about my grandchildren that's not just a cry that's this is a sophisticated cry shows culture shows good genes anyway the radak again radak very much likes to tell usot in his understanding we did he come from he was outside comes inside and he sees that she died again he's saying don't get excited and then again he does the same thing or maybe it is geographic maybe he wasn't home that day and uh and he came inam you know whoam was there you go that was easy so if AB Ben Haram quotes his father here and is actually a little bit more and touching than maybe you thought that the r was he comes in and it's all emotional he comes in all broken up and in shock and he feels this obligation now he has to take care of the corpse the same way that a person is devastated when a loved one passes away and that ABA Mori I don't think it's ABI ABA I don't think it's his grandfather I think he's talking about his father and that's how my my father explained it essentially saying is that AB comes in and it's all talking about an emotional situation it's a it's aam's emotions which are being described over here now the most important commentary on this whole topic but as you can tell just based on what time it is it's not going to be our final is going to be the ramban so let me stress why we like the ramban one is the ramban like Rashi but unlike Rashi very much likes and he's not afraid to argue with Rashi he's not afraid sometimes to argue with kazal and but he'll do that when there's suum that are staring at him that we need to explain the Su the other things about the ramban is the ramban is the is and and by the way I'm quoting now Rabbi salc not even necessarily on his commentary on the on the Kish but the ramban generally in terms of the ran also terms his commentary in the gar the ramban is somebody who clearly I I I know you're going to say how can you say this so that's why I have to quote Rabbi salv he clearly has complete Command of the entire literature and I'll tell you what I mean by that he doesn't miss arguments he doesn't miss sources if there's something to bring into the discussion he brings it into discussion he has complete Mastery in terms of the of of the breath of the literature but he also has incredible insightful understanding in terms of the depth which means normally we would divide scholars in those two different areas there are those who have incredible depth and those who have incredible breadth and ramban is somebody who's unique in that sense that he clearly has absolutely both he knows everything and he knows it well and he doesn't miss things and I I'll I'll tell you I knew this ran but I decided to do the work myself beforehand I have to explain I I tracked along the way every place that Abraham lived so it took me time on uh on Sunday it's not that hard not all that many chapters but check read through every single Abraham narrative from the beginning until we get get to this point with a simple thing mind looking where abam lived and when and when he moved and where it was when that Revelation was when God spoke to him when he breaks up from load and again every single step of the way where is he at that moment I don't know if that is interesting to any of you oh it is so you can do it also right so so um and I collected it all which means some of the sources I've later on over here it's it's what I did and then I went back and I read the ramban and I'll say it again he doesn't miss anything because and I don't think he had to work as hard as I did I I I think for the ran this was just but but let's let's read a little bit because it really is good and he he's going to throw in his geographical knowledge let me tell you another secret about the advantage of the raban unlike most medieval Scholars he wrote his commentary when he was in Spain and he moved to Israel and he made Corrections on his commentary because then he realized certain things and he wrote letters back and actually you can buy by the way because I prepared the share I went and I ordered the book there are the comments that ran made after he moved to Israel somebody collected all of them to see where we're where he changed things because he saw things and he realized things and he understand things where if you're sitting in France let's like like Rashi and and you're Rashi which means it doesn't get better than Rashi but you're still relying on books relying on books and relying on Traditions but you're not relying on your eyes and you're not relying on your experiences and that just changes things completely complely so uh again I think all of us who are somewhat kashim I'm here 40 years I don't know how kadash some of you are but again there's a very big difference between being here and living here and seeing things and then having people in other places discuss things that they never really saw and never really understood and again some's going to conclude today I'm just you know getting in on Rashi here Rashi is working off of tradition the ramban worked off of tradition and then he changes his mind on on various things because he sees that there's actually a reality here so let's start read and I wonder I mean that was part of what happened here I wondered how much of this ramban he wrote before he got here and did he make any corrections or or not but let's let's read a little bit because it's interesting yes let's read yes let's read Source 11 but yes I told you that's what we're doing today now rash we I didn't show you that Rashi but Rashi says he came from B you should also realize there's a little bit of a contradiction not insurmountable but he comes from Beva but if he's coming from the AA then why is he coming from the Beva again where dides she die she dies in Kon B is to the South Yim is to the north so then what's going on now now the answer is what's going on is that the Torah says that a went to Beva after the AA so he comes from returns to so the AA ends a actually Thea begins and it's not 100% clear I think it's 99% it's not 100% clear where God said to him to go set up and do the AA where did he start his trip from and I'm only going to entertain right now two possibilities clearly you can tell me there are more what are my two possibilities one is going to be where she dies which is Kon and the other is going to be Beva after the after the AA the says it's per if you want we can look at exactly inside it says he returns to B so does mean return because that's where he started from does it mean return because that's where he lived at some point along the way which is the easier way to say it the easy way to say it is that's where he started the trip from which then creates a problem so now he has a problem is what's s doing in Kon if a just now returned to bers because that's where he started from what's she doing there I want you to keep in mind that question because that's a really good question and now you realize that Aram arrives so aram's only half of the story the other part of the story is is going to be S there's actually three halves here the third half is we're in the world with but that's not for today that just went that day because he had some work to do some jobs to do he had some uh he had something to do in Bersa that day so it doesn't really mean that AB lived there now again I want you to realize the practicalities of this are not all that simple which means aam really has to be in Kevon and he's going to say that clearly and then he travels there and then he gets word that she dies how does he get word that she died I mean somebody called oh in the old days someone someone sent the fact right by the way if I would say that to my students I can probably fool them they they uh s smoke C they had Morse code see they had Morse code in those days who and therefore he arrives from B in order to mourn eulogize and so on the so again Rashi is defensible all the time because Rashi is when when I learn with she would like to say that Rashi was 95% I actually think the percentage is higher I think I think that she's like I think it's like 99% kazal and he's cutting and pasting and sometimes there are kazal that he's quoting from sorry for that word there are kazal he's quoting from that maybe we don't know but I I think that rashi's Brilliance is able to take the literature of kazal and then read it back into the Torah and he says therefore it seems that the instruction of Thea took place when he's in Beva so by by the way we now we still have a problem because either way there's going to be a problem so if that's the case what's our problem now what is s what is Sarah doing in that's where he lived and that's who we're get back to because it says beforehand now this is immediately prior to the this is the end of the next so the last thing that we heard living that he lives for a extended period of time he lives in B and what that's right before the AA that's that's the end of peral what do we told in after Thea AB goes back to Bersa what's our conclusion then that he lives in Bersa what's our problem what is what is Sarah doing in and therefore the traveling took three days that's the part I really liked because therefore he has this wherewith all to understand that from to get to is going to be a three-day Journey which is interesting he doesn't say because I've been there he quotes a and afterwards he went back went to that's where was for years and years and therefore what has to be the conclusion that Sarah doesn't die right after the AA which means the AA is not when Y is 37 years old the AA does hard death does not happen immediately because before the aeda and after the aeda the A and live in Bersa at some later point in time it must be that they move to Kevon for whatever reason and that's why she dies later so now you realize it's the geography together with the chronology which is what the challenge is over here and he says it just all the evidence points in one direction that they live in Beva so therefore yes she dies but but you're you only have a problem of what she's doing in kevone if she dies at the same time so therefore how do you resolve this you resolve this in say no we don't follow that that teaching that he came straight from the AA and she died as a result of hearing about the AA and she dies at the same time in the AA which means the ramban just liberated us from the just position of the AA to get with the death of Sarah and now instead these two things are completely separate and then he said I love this because you know this is a child talking about his parents it can't be that they didn't live together just that just bothers him and it's also the case that was born in that's again all the things that he's saying here in passing I collected all of them I can show you one p after the other which will support each of these things that's what it says she went to Bersa so where where does where does he live at that time he lived in Bersa um and then again towards the end of her life they traveled from Bersa they must have moved to Kon and that's where she died if you're going to follow that mid which you now know he doesn't like why doesn't he like it because it's not because of One Plus or two it's because it just doesn't work it just doesn't work so he says but you follow that mid then they lived in and that's where he got and now what he's about to do is actually fascinating he's now going to rework in his mind and for all of us the entire AA scenario so instead if they lived in Kon let's say they live in Kon what's the evidence to live in Kon because she dies right after afterwards so where did she die she dies in Kon so that means that the Commandment of the AA was when he's in Kon so now there now if he's in KRON what's the question gonna be now why does it take three days so hold on he's about to deal with that he just completely changed the complexion of the test of the AA he gets there within half a day right by by Donkey by camel however you want from Kon down that road that road there a real long time travels gets there and it's the place that God is going to and he starts looking and looking and looking and one day goes by and two days go by and gets to the Third Day by the way how many of us would give up then say listen I did my best I couldn't find it you know couldn't find any parking had to go back and uh we all know that there are times that that we would do that so instead part of the test of the AA is that abam is looking and seeking and trying to find and again look look at just that little turn of phrase elim It's that that that that that mountain that Holy place it's Mountain of God for two days he wanders around the the neighborhoods of Y the environs and God did not want to reveal to him and then after the took place he doesn't go back home immediately he goes back to his which was this place that calls out of the name of God and it's it's almost it's this place of of aram's religious experiences and he wants to go back and share people the AA and the most important conclusion Thea is that God does not want Human Sacrifice the important lesson of is not that God says put you on the altar the important part of the a is God said take him off the the the Altar and I do not want human sacrifice and that is absolutely not necessary and according to this Aram uses his experience as part of the content of his teaching that he's going to share with his followers and therefore he goes back to where his followers are in Bea sh sh s and then while he's there he hears about the death of Sarah and then he comes from there so what the ran just now did do you realize how great it is what he what he and we're not finished do you realize how great what he is he said he he works out for us both scenarios and he embellishes them both and he includes within it the The Human Side of this the experience of uh of what aam is going through on the one hand how difficult it is if he really starts in and on the other hand how then he has to share the miracle with others and he's really trying to limit the space between these two approaches let's just see how much we want to skip now he says in yeah I I kind of agree in that yeah the question yeah the question is there there other ways which are shorter and I suspect that there are um he may also have been trying to avoid his wife so how was your day well I sharpened the knife in the morning right like in in in kazal I don't I don't believe K were were that troubled most of what's going to take place in maybe we'll look at some of it if it's if we have time it's much more the Satan trying to knock her off rather than it is her own trauma afterwards yeah and then started yes yes yes we'll look at that in a second so uh let's let's try to do all this in some kind of a in some kind of a sequence and and the ran is going to continue and tell us all of the again why B is so Central and just couple of things that you have bolded over here and again he brings the verses and then he says one thing which is interesting just like has his Asel Sarah has her tent and he talks about the importance of her tent as well which is a theme which absolutely should be followed up on but not now in Source number 12 if you want Satan if you wish to be satanic the C Cohen who generally is a commentary will bring us more cabalistic type of ideas who brought her to Kevon shti so again you want to know if kazal say it so we actually have is him saying I heard whenever someone says I heard as opposed that I saw so it's also interesting sh comes says where's that son of yours he went with his father his father want to teach him about Corban amarlo who are Corban so the Satan says he's the she didn't believe him you're very tall and you can see from afar he take a look for tell me if you can see by by the way also there's an interesting thing just a bet in terms of uh the location again very much sounds like she is going and on the way in a place that you can look in a place that you can see and therefore instead of Baba going up towards the mountains and this actually does bring us towards Kevon um so therefore the it's not subsequently that that the trauma it's it's right then the trauma as as he said she then does follow afterward so then you have this you have this kind of uh tragic description of Abraham going on the way towards the AA and Sarah not believing it for a second but going afterwards and saying this can't really be and she doesn't want confirmation she wants the confirmation that it's not the case in Source 13 rasher in the Tor it brings again it's not exactly the same but it's a similar kind of thing and again it brings the Satan into it where you know where's Aram he went to do work where is he and second line he went to learn right and goes and goes on what are you talking about he went to kill him and she doesn't believe him and the Satan fails according to this and then he kinds of gives up and he tries to mess thing other things up so that's as far as it'll go in Source 14 he tells us that the whole in insistence of that telling us about where this is where she's buried is all because look at look at where it's bolded he says that the the the reason it's written the way that it's written is in order to instill the idea within the generation that's going to enter into the land of Israel of the centrality and the importance of Kon now again some of you can counter and say but all of er Israel is Holy and some of you can even say and whatever it's blame is also holy again there may be a lot more over here that is not being said but is uh between the lines um 15 we see that a you see that that's this is where you may not have got it but you should have no you should have gotten it it's aram's tent when he separates from Lo where does he live then so now you also know that all the times that heard Al M mamre all of this is there um later on again that is 15 in 16 when aam's told that L was kidnapped where is he again that's where he is when a is going to God is going to and the Three Men and so on are going to come over here that's again all of this is K when a is going to go back in Source 18 this is the middle of stone being destroyed that's up on the mountain right up on the hills in the area ofon looking down towards Stone again all of these air experiences all of these things are taking place as I said I just collected them for you in Source number 20 this is when Hagar and Y sent away the midbar that's Beva in again we're still in per Al which is Source 21 again we're going to have things taking place by Beva and then we saw something that the ran already told us about and that is at the very end K that there's some kind of religious experience that Aram has that's where we get it's very interesting because where is aram's tent that he opens up for people and that we actually see the people coming in that happens by Kon on the other hand where is he build hisel that's down there by ostensibly taking people in from the desert and he lives by which is down by ver for a very long time that is the P right before the instruction of the AA so then you have to ask yourself a question so where did he get that instruction what does it sound like if very much sounds that's where it was in Source 22 where HS is actually quite devious I have to discuss this with some people I have some relatives who are descendants of H he essentially uh knew that he had to go to uh to uh and then off for so he sends her away he goes oh why don't you on vacation today why don't you go up to Kon and visit the friends ofon yeah he uh completely devious over here he first he notes he comes back and he doesn't find his wife and then he goes back and he tells [Music] us in order to ease her somehow to this whole thing he didn't want her around and he sent her away and uh I hope no husbands are listening right now St line okay exactly that's the r Bond's Point that's exactly what Ron says three days make sense it's verev three days doesn't make sense if it's Kon if it's Kon then he gets there right away but he wanders around a bit I'm saying it's such an interesting point because what he does is he takes the geography and then he adds in the The Human Experience as well I'm saying that that again is is why the ran is absolutely fascinating um 2 3 24 20 is also Yakov we're going to see that yakob leaves Vera and look at source 24 and then I'm GNA finish with that and try to finish up for today that's the best P by the way that that's like the most convincing one is that when Yakov comes back after his entire sojourn we're told that where does he goes he comes to M AR and that's and that's where a lived and that's where Liv but by the way all that's only partially true because a lot of y's life right prior to yakob leaving where does he leave he leaves from Beva right so have to convince you of that I just read the P right and when he comes back he comes back to Kevon so therefore if you want you can say okay the parallel of you know leaving Bersa but coming back to Kon if that's where Sarah dies then you direct parallel in terms of Yakov leaving Yakov coming back but we'll leave it at that source 26 is it doesn't tell us where he leaves but the previous P was he was in B and let's continue a little bit more you know now you now know why that is bolded and then so AB goes returns settles in B so that's where we thought he was now I just want to pause there for a second the AA was not immediately before the death of Sarah because we have a couple more Pim here all the way through K so let's not skip for PIM I think we read it twice yester last shabas we had a Ley who became a grandfather so the father had the bris was that day that's what it was so we had to give an Alat both to the father and to the grandfather gonna skip a little now we're just told that RI is born so if rif is born now after Thea y's 37 in Thea that means that Y is married at 40 and how old is Rifka Rifka is three now I hope that that I told you there's no evidence before and now I hope that none of you going to say well how could you say there's no evidence there's evidence right here so there's one thing which is missing if you're going to insist that she was born after the AA then I'll also tell you so was her father right we're told of her father's birth after the AA you you want to read it again now should we skip that word vad what does vad mean and he was told now does that mean that it happened then I don't know why I have to work so hard does that mean that it happened then or does that mean that he was informed thenf so therefore he was told that there was this continuity in terms of the family that they have children and grandchildren so on it does not say do I have to do I have to stress this it does not say that Rifka was born then should I say this again how old is Rifka when she gets married zero evidence how old is Rifka when she dies zero evidence there's nothing should I say that again there's absolutely nothing in the Kish that tells you anything about it that doesn't mean that people don't think that they can read between the lines occasionally and of course people think they can read between the lines but sometimes you want to try to create some kind of understanding the aranel in 28 he actually creates his own wonderful narrative in all of this but we're going to you I want you to pay attention to this AB barbanell because he's going to do some interesting things and we're going to do some interesting things with it he first of all he's troubled about why the information would have float earlier and then there are people going back and forth and and how many years have just now gone by within their lives again aam's been away for an extended Peri per of time has there been no information whatsoever again how much how much knowledge or not okay what does the claim what does it mean what's the G there doing there great because what does he say just like s suffered from infertility and could not have children according to kazal her sister milka she also couldn't have children and when s miraculously has a child she miraculously has a child so that's the G so that again that is really interesting what he says again if didn't know what's going on 20 years till he was informed but he says essentially saying is that some kind of a miracle over here has taken place and therefore let the miracle you know children as it were by the way even though rif is a grandchild let the miracle children over be here marry one into know the the two families and that seems to be what's appropriate is there anything here good he also [Music] claims I know I'm reading quickly but let me tell you what he says he's claiming that it didn't happen afterwards he's saying is God it it's filling Us in on information that a already knew which means R was born before the according to and then it goes back and tells us again which things so it's going back a while and it's saying that that again so what's the importance over here is that Rifka Rifka was not born that's really what he's getting at he says ritho was not born that day ritho was born prior to this anything else that we want here now let's look at the ezzar source 29 yes izra this is It's bold if this is and I'm going to edit what he said an essential part of tradition I'm from Jew and I accept tradition but if you're gonna ask me logic it makes no sense whatsoever goes so the ezar is great and continue you know so some say some say he was only five years old at the time he goes that doesn't make sense either because he's carrying all the wood by the way if you continue this argument then a three-year-old girl was also not carrying all the water right so so I'm just saying so he so it's 10 camels what 10 camels yeah and the thing that makes the most sense is that y's probably around 13 years old by the time of the Y which means that SAR is going to die a long time afterwards and and and he stays with that and let's just see how else we can put this together in Source 31 there's a tradition mentioned in cfre that there are a couple people that live the same amount of time two of them were Rifka and kahat this is the only I told you we have no idea how old Rifka was she died kahat we know died at 133 that's in Source 32 sh 133 so now you know there's a midash that says she also died 133 so now if she died at 133 but we but we don't know when she died so now also go and it's a little bit of a stretch if you look at source 33 it says that's the place that people cried so why is there so much crying Rashi says that there's an I hope you appreciate the God Alo that's when yako found out that his mother passed away now if that's the case we know exactly more or less when it happened because we can do the math for when it's when Yakov goes and how long he's away and how long it takes to come back it actually takes him two years to travel back there's six months there another but but I'm not getting into all the things essentially if you do all the math and she dies then at 133 then she could not have been three years old at the time because there's not enough time what I just now kind of explained is found in Source 35 she was 14 years old when she got married um just to see the SED the Sedum you'll see there's two different versions of it the 38 says that he was 37 and she was r or giml there two tradition either she was 14 or she was three and the reason why you have to get to 14 is because they're taking that 133 years old as an end date and assuming she died at that particular time and then you don't have enough years and then you can't then you have to reject that she was three years old essentially what's going to happen then is all of the Bal toot go in that direction I want to say one more thing and then we'll and then we'll finish up here first I have to explain a little bit about what we did and maybe you know I went went a little bit too much laterally if you claim that this is all together that AA 37 years old Rifka dies immediately then you are kind of stuck s sorry Sarah dies immediately and then you're kind of stuck right there you're stuck because all of this happens this together it is then coming together the chronology the geography and the narrative all come together and that's pretty much you know what we're told as kids on the other hand you see that there are massive problems with this not the least of and then you continue with that and then again following Rashi and Rift is born at that point so therefore she's three years old and he's 40 and then we enter into our you know our other chronological issues on the other hand we find people rejecting just about every single part of this based some of it on the geography starting there that you know what's this doesn't make sense why is of going back to Beva and on the other hand we find this whole contention if you take the ezzar for a second that and you put it together the barel according to Ezra Y is 13 years old at the time of the AA according to the barbanel RKA was born before the AA and we don't know exactly how old she is at this point RKA could have been 13 years old as well at the time the AA I can just as easily based on theim come to the conclusion that they are exactly the same age rather than say that he was 40 and she was three I'm just going to say it again that he's 40 and ch3 is completely artificial I can just now use this Farish and that Mish and that Mish and put it all together and I have it absolutely impossible that she was three years old and I'm going to say it again that's the approach of the balos vote they just can't even begin to accept it but it all goes down because they're counting backwards from 133 and there's not enough time otherwise but even that is not something based on the Kish I told you two more things that I wanted to point at one is Source 40 is the A and the other is 41 the toal the the in 40 tells us very simply that K's a holy city remember we're told and lived there and lived there it's a holy city right says goes on why look at the language this is the place that abam really established his tent you know originally this is the place which is holy that's why y moved there that's why Yakov when he comes back toel goes there that this is the holy city Kon is the holy city of course you can say but what about B Source 41 this isar right those of you whove been coming a while have met him before he raised rosf Caro who was his nephew over here he quotes his brother raro I'm 99% sure that's yar's father I didn't check on I was thinking on the way here I'll call my wife I'll tell her to Google this and then I said you know what I'm not GNA bother her they wanted to be buried in just like of Jews want to be buried in her Trail and he goes on and says when she felt old and she felt she's gonna die soon she knew she wouldn't live much time she asked to be brought toon to die in and that's whys so therefore no she wanted to you could anybody want to do anything political with this have a good time don't quote me but it's it's it's interesting and it's it's great it's absolutely great what he says because again let's just push the chronology issues aside because anyway they weren't convincing what do we find at the end we find is that that they live they live there over and ab does his work there he does his Outreach work and the people come in from the desert and he gives them some fruit he says make a br all that is great but when she gets old and she has this premonition that she's going to pass away soon she goes let's move back to Kon I I want to be buried in Kon I want to die in Kon and it's the same feeling that Jews you know again we understand this listen there are a lot of Jews who move to Israel some don't move to Israel some they're afraid to say at this point because they know they're only coming afterwards but nonetheless she's the first one who says then I want to be buried in erit Kanan please take me to Kevon she ends they they're in Kevon and therefore SAR in kevron again I think it's just a beautiful interpretation and it actually solves I think most of what we had uh seen as our problem today have a good J