Kiddush in Shul, Chazarat Hashatz, and Birkat Kohanim By Rabbi Yitzchak Breitowitz

all right good morning everybody and um just uh today's share is sponsored yeah uh so today's share is sponsored by Mala Greenhouse Ed and should be uh we've been discussing uh generally uh the concepts of kidish and havdalah and uh the last thing we were discussing is the minog that is already recorded in the gamorra in the gamorra itself of making kides in the Bak Friday night so this is a very very old the records that there was KES uh and the gamor then has a m I'm reviewing a little bit between R and Shu these are the two greatest whether a person is y with The KES it meaning assuming that my wife was there or I'm not married and I heard Kish and show can I be y say kidish RAV actually says you are y KES you don't have to make KES again I heard Kish and SCH I'm y Shu on the other hand says the Kish ofet is not Mo because of a very important Rule and we Pas like shes Kish is Val it only if it is in the place where you have your meal and therefore a any kidish that you heard which was not in a place where you had your meal is not a valid Kish and therefore I got to go home and make Kish again so the gamorra then asks according to Shu the obvious question if the Kish in the baket is not a valid Kish because it's not a place of a meal why do we make such a Kish the B and sh's answer is because there were there were poor people poor guests who had no place to go and they used to feed them in the sh itself so for them it is a for everybody else who's not eating they're not y this is what the gamar says now we like the gar actually tells us which is by the way I don't want to get into that that's a peripheral rule but that itself is a y because generally speaking on matters of ritual when you have a ra we normally follow ra but it's interesting that the principle of Which is's principle is actually the now let's stop for a moment there what is the source of that rule what is the source that Kish has to be linked to some type of meal I'll discuss later what is a meal that's another question so so the uh Rashi and his grandson the rashbam are both fact it's very interesting for reasons that are not clear to me you know Rashi had daughters Rashi had no Sons although rashi's daughters were said to be very very learned uh women there's a legend they worked filling that has not really been substantiated uh but uh there is more of a proof that they knew they knew a lot of the talmud ETC you know if you have a father Rashi who doesn't have a son to learn gumar with one would imagine uh that Rashi did learn with his daughters uh and the daughters also married very esteemed and the grandchildren of Rashi the children of rashi's daughters became the founder of the school of the tovos the the the additional notes so uh for example rashbam rabish shmu Ben mayor was rashi's grandson and his younger brother was rakov Ben mayor who is known as rabenu uh so it's interesting that the rashbam is probably best known for his commentary on KES if you have a mcrose gados you will see the commentary of the rashbam and it's very very fascinating because the rashbam is very brief very very uh AB bridged and extremely Pat oriented he doesn't bring in any any MIM he just goes with the words Etc and the like and in fact he even records fascinatingly in pev a debate that he had with his grandfather Raji he says I said to my grandfather you know you bring in too many midashim you don't go into even though Rashi always says he's doing P says you bring in MIM and you know you need to focus on the literal meaning of the words he says he was arguing with his grandfather and he records that his grandfather said if he would have more time he would rewrite his commentary to incorporate more in now my personal speculation is that Rashi was probably tired of arguing with his anle so he just said yeah okay you're right pushed them away um but be it as a m now what's interesting is though that the rashbam also wrote commentaries on gamorra and we don't have a lot of his commentaries we're not even sure how much he wrote but for example in rashi's commentary only goes until the middle of the second chapter and therefore the bulk of the m is the commentary of the rashbam now you see immediately you see immediately a difference between Rashi style and the rashbam style Rashi was quite literally a a genius at brevity at being able to communicate a maximum amount of meaning in the smallest amount of words as soon as we move to the rashbam everything is huge things that took Rashi five words would take the rashbam five lines and that is why MRA is the largest tractate of the Babylonian tal it is not because it has the most words in fact it does not but if you ever look at aabas you'll see the pages are very short because the rash Bam's commentary is voluminous so it's fascinating that inish the rashbam style is extremely brief and in gor his style is extremely discursive now we even have a controlled experiment in other words in a sense Basra is not a control because I don't have Rashi on those other pages but there's one part of Shas where we have both Rashi and rasham on the same page why the rasham wrote it it's not clear to me and that's arim the 10th chapter of that talks about the laws of the Seder we actually have Rashi and rashma so you can quite literally do a controlled experiment as to the difference between Rashi and rashbam on a line byline basis and there you again see it you you again see it five words for Rashi five lines rashan you can M compare it okay uh but be it as it may uh these were the the the B the founders of the of the school of the toas and the like so both Rashi and the rasham in bring a single M for aish and this is a based on a shabat on you shall Proclaim that Shabbat is a delight a day of delight so the simple meaning is on shabas you should enjoy chabas but Thea is on the place of your enjoyment which is your eating and drinking that is where you should Pro Proclaim shabas which is Kish there is the ca the calling of shabas which is KES right so be as it may this is the rule ofes so this is a very important principle you are not y Kish except in the place where you have what is Hally defined as a meal this is true Friday night this is true shabas day now just digress for a moment what is the halak definition of a meal meaning what do I have to eat in order for the kiddish to count if I don't eat what is Hally a meal I don't get kidish so obviously washing for bread is certainly a meal that's for sure but most of the time in a shabas morning ksh I don't necessarily want to wash for bread we also passin a kazas of mos and that's what most people do an olives volume of cake and enough cake in other words to make a of Al and or the third option is a whole rious I I'll give you the measure in a moment of wine meaning to say if I heard Kish and show I'm not yot unless I have a meal so the meal can be bread the meal can be MOS or the meal can be what is called a Ras of wine which is four fluid ounces meaning I have to drink meaning it's not enough that the guy who made Kish drink the guy who made Kish is not a meal for me right you can't be Mighty somebody in eating right I can make a bre of you but I can't eat for you so when I say Aus of wine I'm not referring to what the guy who made Kish had I am only y say Kish if I have if I drink Well Bread MOS a rious of wine the person that hears it the person that hears it yeah any person you if you want to be yot with Kish you have to do one of those three one of those three things now which means in other words chop liver egg salad Herring filter fish doesn't count now here is well crackers oronas uh now if it's PES crackers out of potato starch they don't count either by the way that is a huge problem actually for people who keep the Mina sh of not eating gabra of you know what do you what what do you do at a at a PES Kish because so wine wine would work uh mat you'd have to wash for it right some say egg matah might be permitted but on the other hand asham don't eat egg matah during PES so you got a real problem uh maybe the only option would be you can drink a Rus of wine a rious is four fluid ounces four fluid ounces uh or you could wash wash on matah or whatever it is because because if the cake if the cakes do not have matah meal in them the potato starch cake is shahak a shahak does not count for a suda now here's the other thing you need to know if what you're eating does not count as a meal you're actually not allowed to eat it because you're eating before Kish you see the problem in other words somebody I'm not allowed to eat until I hear Kish so you made Kish but I'm not y with that Kish because I'm not having a sud if I'm not y with that Kish I'm not allowed to have the Herring and the chopped liver and the gilter fish and and whatever it is because until I'm y kidish I have an iser of a this is very important so if you're on any type of special diet you know you got to consider this meaning if you don't have cake you don't have maos you can't just take a piece of fish at a Kish because you're not y of The KES because you didn't have a SAA so you have to figure out wine or grape or grape juice might be the best option once I have a Ras of wine or grape juice I could then have the filter fish and Herring or or whatever whatever whatever it is right so this is the principle ofish it's a very very important uh principle and uh that is why uh people are not yot with the Kish in the base unless they have a a now one thing so we have a m I mentioned last week between the and the that b where people generally do not unless they're making an event but generally poor people or whatever itinerant people do not eat their meals in the show they're invited to people's homes so in know in effect nobody is yot Friday night should we make Kish Kessa so r paskins that since the only justification for Kish is the orim eat in the betet if you don't have orim eat in the besset you should not make Kish in the besset Friday night this is the sheet ofo and this is the Pak of sarden the Rama raos iselis who codifies the ashkenazic customs of Germany Poland Russia says that this is a meaning the made an enactment to make Kish in in because of and consistent with the way Rabin laws work even if the particular reason no longer applies we still follow the takana which therefore means that the Min of ashm in a besset is to make kidish Friday night even though nobody is Young do now the Min of yesos however for some reason is they do not make KES in Bas KET so it's not clear to me exactly where the origin of that came uh if the yeshivos you know whatever M slutkin or the great yeshivas of Europe they were ashkenazic institutions they were not saric institutions I mean there may have been spartum in them but they were located ninaz kilos so why the I don't actually know the history that well I'm this Pratt why the custom developed in yesos not to make kidish besset is a little problematical because the RAR does record it as the to make Kish in the base KET Friday night yeah that that's correct that's correct uh but but there's a reason for that yeah the reason okay let me the reason in N they don't do it is because the vagon differed with the Rama maybe that's why the isas did it as well theas don't always the isas in in Europe didn't always follow the V but the ashkenazic standard of is is based on the at least in for sure in in fact that is actually why you may wonder you know we say every day if there's a Coen we do every day now you know those of you who remember your prior lives uh you know that in is only recited on y uh now once again this is interesting I'm I'm glad the gives me a chance to digress uh the RAR records that even though should be that is every day Ando says that and that's why do it every day but the r says the is only to do it on and he gives a very strange reason he says that requires that the co be the Coen must be happy it says only one who can give a is one who has a goodness of heart and in were always grouchy except on y even on chabis even on chabis our is not complete on yum we're all in a better mood we're happier uh although I'm not sure with the three I'm not sure if that's true for the women uh but uh therefore now this is a very doic reason because this is such a subjective reason I mean happy not happy I mean listen some people are grouchy even on right so and some people are happy every day I mean what do you say you're you're taking away a mitva because you're making a judgment that kohanim are not happy so because of this the Von himself who of course lived in vilna was ashkanazi pasin that ashkenazim should also duen every single day and in his private show in vilna called The V the gu's CL private in vilna he wanted to Institute the practice but it is recorded that every time he wanted to do it the sh burned down meaning there was a kind of a Simon minay that he should not deviate well there are two interpretations either this was for the cover of the Rama don't argue with Rama or generally was not deserving of the but every day and because of this some is like rman when rman uh came to America to visit he would make it a point to Davin in aaric Minion because he wanted to hear biras him every day he was ashkanazi but his minog was the Min so the point is you're right that it's the minra uh to do it so when the came to is they wanted to be re and that is why that actually explains why if you go north you go to k you go toat you go to Taria you will actually find that manyas do not do every day they have a they actually have a very strange Min they only mus of shabas now the basis of this is the following the the Gin of the ashkan Prem Medina in and the area was the T of the the Gin in of the asazi were're always here is the of the B so of the B wanted to follow the they had in Europe of only but the local didn't like that because they every day so they came to some compromise that the ashaz would once a week on shabas and that's because it wasn't through the influence of the gr but the sheet of the gr was actually to every day and to go back to our topic that is why as well Kish is not recited in besset in uh primarily because that was the Min of the gra uh who pasin like Rio Ciro in that yeah yes my husband and I many years ago were in CCO and we were in shabas morning in the yeah and there was a tour OFA boys with their in the from and they went up and my husband got so upset but didn't help said in your husband your husband was 100% right I will tell you I was once also in the ra many come to Poland to go to re different I'm saying but when I'm saying when they D in the rad show they d that's what I'm saying meaning the cover of the is in the r show even someone who do they will so your husband is 100% correct in the of the uh you certainly do not go as the PK says what said it do you want to conquer the queen in my own house so your husband's Instinct was very very EMS uh in that way um by the way it's so amazing the rad died such a young man the rad died I think it was at 47 a very very young man and just imagine the Godless the authoritativeness of hisim for the whole Asic world the r of kco he died on LBA and one of the masp it's a long as but wanted to mention 33 Milas of the Rama like B 33 so he went through Mila after Mila after Mila the greatness of the Rama yeah logically just supposed to be happy on Shabbat just on but you know it is interesting it is interesting that the Mitzvah of in other words there actually is there's on it's hard to these overlap there's aah it does not the does not use the word is only used about the it's interesting question uh but technically technically again no the ding yeah no you're correct it certainly is um but that may refer interesting might be in the future meaning uh those who keep chabas will have the Sim of the kingdom of God when mashia comes right so it's not necessarily talking about uh the shabas the shab itself well you should well okay um well in we say so it's expressed at least in a negative sense you shouldn't be said on Shabbat but it doesn't necessarily explicitly state that one should be one should be happy I'm say you uh what about if on uh if you drink whiskey and not wine does that count okay um so your question is really two different questions and let let me let me analyze it question one is can I make kidish on Whiskey and how much whiskey do I have to make Kish on okay because normally you make Kish on wine or grape juice does whiskey count so we have three opinions about kishan whiskey opinion number one is you cannot make Kish on Whiskey it has to be wine or grape juice opinion number two is you can make Kish on whiskey but it has to be on a full 4 oz which will kind of knock you out uh and then the third opinion which you probably have seen a lot among is is that they make Kish on Whiskey and they can they use a shot glass that during the day during the day now that opinion you should not rely upon if you're going to use whiskey it should be a whole big thing huh now whiskey whiskey a shot glass a shot glass now the second question you're asking is let's assume a proper Kish was made on wine or grape juice can the whiskey count as a meal that's the different question and the answer is no uh whiskey is not a meal uh although some alcoholics kind of make their meals whiskey uh once again it has to be bread it has to be maos or it has to be 4 oz of wine or grape juice otherwise it is not Hally a meal again what about a l so well it depends there's a Lor that has wine in it I mean uh more likeis well once again uh if it's not wine or grape juice uh doesn't countor there one most different about whiskey well I'm not the point is not that it's whiskey the point is that it's what what it's not it has to be wine or grape juice if it's not wine or grape juice it's not going to it's not going to going to count yeah so okay so the the EM is white wine no you can ask white wine for kiddish white wine for do Kos white wine at a wedding so again Hally Hally there is a a preference that red wine is better for Co but certainly absolutely you are y with white wine white wine is perfectly good for everything and as you probably know if you have children who get married uh often under the white wine is preferred so it shouldn't make a dark stain on the collar's dress or or whatever it is so again uh red wine is is best but but white wine is certainly koser okay so now let let's yeah the question is if you're y KES do you can you must you make Kish again when you come home okay so again I heard Kish shabas morning and let's assume I ate I ate the requisite cake or drank the requisite wine so am I Y kidish I am so now when I come home uh what am I supposed to do so a few things if there are people in your house who have not heard Kish yet then 1,000% you can make Kish again for them there's not a problem okay that's that's simple let's say however everybody in your family and all of your guests heard Kish in show and they ate uh in show so nobody has a need for Kish should I make Kish again according to the you do not have to however many people do you do not have to make Kish again you can go straight to and make hot if there's nobody who needs to hear KES however many people do have the custom that they want to begin their meal with kides and shabas morning it is permitted because after all the only BR you're making shabas morning is B so you can do that I'm having wine before my meal now Friday night however in a rare case where they had a Friday night Kish and you had cake and everybody was yot you would not be allowed to make Kish again because the mades would be a in vain because you already were so shabas morning there's no real problem with making Kish again because all I'm doing is I'm making a br on the wine that I'm drinking before the meal U but the Friday night Kish cannot be recited again unless there is some somebody who needs to be yot with that with that kidish again that's pretty rare that Friday night there was a kidish but you know theoretically there might be there might be such a uh such a thing okay so this is kind of the the general rules of of the Kish knesset so now I just want to mention a very interesting alternative reason for kidish and Sh which contradicts the gamar so really it's problematical How could a later commentary offer another interpretation but it is offered it is brought in the code of the rush Ru in the name of rabenu Yona now rabenu Yona was one of the great reim he was a nephew of the ramban or some say a cousin of the ramban and uh we know him best as the author of The Classic work share Chua the gates of repentance which is one of the great great works on the Mitzvah of chuva and the idea of chuva and many people learn it we should learn it the whole year really but many people learn it before rashash you know shipper and the like but Raba was not just he also wrote on peros and he wrote on mishle so he's kind of known as a muser person he focused a lot on on ethics and and the like but raban was also one of the great masters of halaka as well and we have writings in halaka that that different Bish bring and here's ra has a very interesting take on why we recite KES besset and this is what he says he says that yes it's true that nobody is yot kiddish because AES but the requirement ofes is not a Torah requirement it is a Rabin requirement and even even though even though I told you that we derive it from a verse in yes thei that itself is midra because Hally a navi cannot innovate a new Commandments from God if a navi tells you to do something technically that's a rabbi obligation it's an early Rabbi obligation therefore that actually means I am y Kish even if I don't eat it's only a rabic requirement that I have to E eat right so that's that's uh Point number one point number two reab yonas says is there are some people in showa who might not come home and make Kish maybe they're not religious so as a result we make kidish in sh so at least the people who are not going to make KES at home should fulfill a Torah obligation of Kish right they're not y the complete Kish they haven't fulfilled the Rabin obligation of Kish but they have fulfilled the Torah obligation of Kes so that way we're Mo see them so at least they have a Mitzvah soing the purpose of keset is not for the people who eat there but it's for the people who don't eat there but who may not be making kides at home this way they're going to be y now the truth of the matter is in many many American synagogues this is actually a real concern other words the MSS rabeno yona's position is a stronger reason today to say KES and show than the reason of orim we we don't have orim we in the show that much but certainly even in in many Orthodox synagogues you know you're going to have people I mean not everybody is sh shabas right I mean people uh come to the service and they well in a way it's a catch22 though in other words I was going to say well they're not going to make Kish at home so by making Kish and show I'm Moy them but it may actually work the other way around they're not going to make kidish at home because they figure their Y in meaning if I wouldn't make it in they might make it at home you know who knows how uh people's minds work may work in in funny ways but this is the reason gives and this is actually very similar to something else we do in Judaism and that ISAT right uh right the Jewish liturgy what happens is we d the we in Theon and after we D Theon the K repeats the whole thing this is called kazaras hasat the repetition of the shal what is the purpose of kazaras hasat so the simple purpose was that there were people who would come to the base knesset they didn't know how to read that they were actually sh they didn't know how to read Hebrew they weren't able to doin they didn't know that fil by heart and they couldn't read from whatever it's not even clear they had a text but they couldn't read from a text so the Kazan would say the amida out loud to be them in Theon and of course we have the same question today that's not really an issue because either people D in or people can read the Shimon in English your y say reading it in Translation so why do we have Kar right why do we have karat so once again it's similar to what the Rama said about Kish this was a of the but in brisk the salic family they developed a whole conceptual structure of karat in which they pointed out uh that there are two aspects to davening with the minion there is what is called teila bitor prayer within a congregation and then there is what is called toilat hator the prayer of the congregation so when I D in the silent amida with a minion I am ding my private prayer together with other people that's called the but the Kazan is now standing as a representative of everybody and as a single unit of congregation we are offering our prayer to God and that's why the brisker custom was that for karat the person uh not just everybody would stand with their legs together uh as if they were daving their own Shon because this isas and that is why uh the argument goes that even though the original reason to be Moi people who didn't DAV may have less application today we have this new idea or this newly expressed idea of the of the Tira and that is actually why the is pretty strict uh people take advantage of this um know the says anyone who talks during the rep I mean uses language that it doesn't use for as anyone who talks during the repetition of the is his sin is greater than he can bear an awful awful awful of talking during because once again uh logically you wouldn't automatically think it's so wrong you might say hey I DED already you know what's what's the point here so the has to emphasize that you have to listen to that amid as well I don't want to get into those maybe that's a talk for another time one major issue that people face is am I allowed to learn during Kar am I can I just pull out a safer assuming I don't talk I just want to learn so the truth of the matter is um I have to be honest I I I do learn during I don't want to put myself up as as a sadic uh but the m mentions there may be a basis to be lenient but he's very much against it he's very much against it he says one should literally look in the sitter and follow follow along uh certainly like the briskers for sure that's the case if you stand but even if you're not following that idea of standing like the amida uh want you to listen to what the Kazan is uh is saying uh so once again I I will admit that I I don't always live up to that standard but I I do have enough to at least tell you uh what the official what the official standard uh standard is okay uh so the point I'm making is ru's reason forish somewhat mirrors the institution of karat now you may ask another question and that is why is there only Karat forakis and Min why is there no karat for arvit arvit does not have Kar and uh once again the rush gives us a beautiful answer because we actually pasin that the daving of the amida of arv was not an obligation it was a is it's not a now that doesn't mean today a person can say I'm not going to D at least a man actually says the reason why even women who D in twice a day usually usually do not D in arit is because even for a man it's a rash so women did not accept this optional prayer but for men the rash has become because of so if your 15y old says he's not going to because that's a little knowledge is a dangerous thing he learned the gamar uh the answer is now it's aov but at its Inception it was was a and because it was a there is no because if the guy didn't do it you know it's not a big deal it was an optional prayer now by the way is a we're not talking about shma shma for sure is we're just talking about the amid of of M um okay uh nevertheless uh in spite of that we do have a sword of kar Friday night right Friday night in the base knesset right thein has kind of an abbr if you if you look at it it's actually an abbreviated Karas has and it's brought down that The Wanted uh for the because of the Holiness of chabas to also have a kind of repetition of the amid for those who were unable to D in so uh the m noos is actually just go through it you'll actually see it corresponds uh as a short a shorter version of the arvit amida of of of Friday night okay right so this is again some general ideas about the idea of keset so we have two different reasons the gor's reason is for the in the show and's reason is for the people who will not make KES at home and this way they are y The KES even though it is not yeah okay so here we get into to another problem a let's look at the principle KES has to be in the place of your meal now what's the place well what's called the place now obviously if I hear Kish here and I don't eat till I get home that's totally invalid because I didn't make a suda in the M of the Kish but what about different rooms in the same building what if I make kidish here and the food is in the Next Room right so you're not going to eat the cake until you go to the next room can you be y say kidish in this room if you're going to eat in the Next Room so the Rama actually says that the rule is only if you can see the place where you eat so for example uh if there would be an opening a doorway uh and the cake is there and when I make ksh or actually it depends where you are where where you're standing you could see the mom actually you don't have to see the cake you just have you have to see the room where the cake is kept if you could see Kish outside the Kish is INS oh the Kish is inside the fruit is outside yeah yeah no I got you so the question would be can you see that outside area from where you are if you can see the outside area from where you are that is called one mon inside well that's the simplest response uh yeah the simplest response would be I eat the cake in the shaw yeah then for sure okay okay well listen I don't want to I don't want to cast dispersions than anybody but but in such a case it's far better to make Kish outside uh I mean that that would be the solution if the food is outside you make the Kish outside if the Kish is inside the food should be inside uh you shouldn't have an inside outside situation unless there's clear visibility uh to there so that that you need to know um okay so now let me go a little further um it turns out that KES is not a Torah requirement it is a rabbi requirement okay there's another thing that's a rabbi requirement too according to the ram this is the rambam the rambam says Kish on wine or grape juice or actually let me get we know that Kish can be made on wine Kish can be made on grape juice Kish Friday night only I'll explain why can even be made on bread right how does that work you wash your hands before Kish you make on the and when you make Kish you say you don't eat and then you make The KES in other words uh and you eat the bread Kish Friday night can be made on bread Kish shabas morning as an aside cannot be made on bread and the reason that is so again this is a of the rush that the brings is that Kish Friday night has a whole long BR mades shabas KES chabas morning the only braa you're making is B right the paragraph ofu is really optional now if shabas morning I recite Kish by just saying Hamot it's no different than any bread meal I would make during the week meaning let's assume I want to make kidish shabas morning on bread so what do I do I wash my hands I make Al I make CI what what does that show you do the same thing on Monday or Wednesday there has to be a Hecker there has to be some type of recognition that you're doing something special in honor of chabas so Friday night even if I make it on bread the is the madesh shabas but chabas morning if I make it on bread there is no he so that's why the postum say that shabas morning uh you have to you cannot use bread so Friday night it's wine grape juice bread shabas morning it's wine grape juice and some say whiskey or beer or even beer some say that some actually say even soda or apple juice that's called Medina okay but bread not you cannot do it on bread because there is no Hecker but says the Ramba that the requirement of making it on something on wine on grape juice on bread on Whiskey is in itself only through because what is the origin of the Mitzvah of Kes the fourth Commandment of the 10 remember the day of shabas to keep it holy and K say that's kidish doesn't say wine it doesn't say anything so the rabam actually says not only is Kish but even Kish on wine or bread or rap juice whatever it is is midra based on this the M the great commentary on the draws a fascinating conclusion he R doesn't say this EXP explicitly but the extrapolates from the r that every person who D arit Shabbat has fulfilled the Mitzvah of Kes on a Torah level why is that so because in the arit i saidu i acknowledge that God created the world in six days and rested on shabas now it's true that there's no wine there's no bread right but which means fascinatingly it is the M's position that every man who comes home assuming the the man DAV darit man or woman actually say whoever you know again it's less common for women to go to besset but many women do go so whether it's a man or a woman anyone who comes home or even if they anyone who daved arit L Shabbat has fulfilled the Mitzvah of Kes on a Torah level and the only reason they have to make Kish again actually there are two reasons is because of the Rabin requirements of kides on wine or bread and the rabbinic requirement of Kish right I I'll get to that and now remember just be sure you got this straight don't confuse rambam's statement with mugin of statement because you'll see that they are actually slightly different the rambam does indeed say Kish on wine or bread is Rabin with a declaration of chabas without wine or bread the ram says that it is the mam who therefore extrapolates that the daving of arvit Shabbat will be as good as a kidish now you'll see in a moment that there are Aon that question that extrapolation um the M brings for example brings that the in says that there are certain textual requirements for KES and one of the textual requirements of Kes is that you mention that Hashem took us out of MIT that you combine K shabat with now how do we know that this is from a gazer Shava what is a gazer Shava it's one of the 13 principles of interpretation that RAB Ishmael articulated in terms of how kazal interprets a Biblical text and Gaza simply means if if the same word is used in two different places the were given the power to compare them now obviously that's subject to a lot of abuse uh you could take the word s SS or v v SO gas have a lot of rules it's not as you know freefor all as you would think but there is a principle of Gaz sha now here we have a Gaza the fourth Commandment Says Z remember the day of shabas to keep it holy and it says by same word remember the day that you left MIT so the Gaz is z z it says Z by shabas and it says Z by so from here derive that has to be incorporated in your Z so says the Mish a fascinating point he differs with the m even if the ram says you don't need wine you don't need bread you don't need grape ju you don't need whiskey you need a mention of and in the Friday night arit which talks about shabas there is no mention therefore according to the when I come home I'm still obligated in but then the Mish says a fascinating point when it's Ying this this is really very interesting in the AR whether it's during the week or shab you say so let's assume it's sh so there the Mish says yeah the M of is right when I come home to the Seder I may have been y kidish on a Torah level because there The Mention Of Shabbat and the mention of Y was in conjunction with but the says that's only trueing a y daving that is not true for a Friday night daving so therefore the Misha concludes you're going to see why this is important because you may ask well who cares if it's ra but it's it is going to be kind of important to identify this for the reason that that you said uh therefore the Mish bre concludes that even according to the ramban that wine and grape juice and whiskey and bread is all D you're still not going to be y with the AR of Shabbat because it does not mention Shabbat in conjunction with yeah right right right so the answer basically is that this is one of the ways that we honor the Shabbat as a special occasion meaning the wanted you to kind of honor the occasion like just like you would say honored guest comes to your house so so you might say oh uh let's bring out the spread or or whatever whatever it would be it's a symbolic gesture to give K to the shabas Mala or the Y Mala and therefore the enacted that it be connected same thing with the wedding if you think about this why do we have wine for everything like why do you have a cup of wine at a bris why do you have a cup of wine under a you know there's no a bris is kosher without the wine and Kad kosher without the wine yeah but but part of it also is that that well well okay that may explain a wedding that doesn't explain a bris necessarily there is no Mitzvah to have s a bris uh I mean we're happy of course we're happy but there's no particular mitvah in fact let me again point out a very interesting difference between uh again if you remember your prior life uh and you remember a bris that you attended or or had in your own family is not recited at a bris in uh we recite two bras the recites Al and then the father recites another to bring my child to the bris of and then we immediately say we bless them as he was brought to the bris may you bring him to Torah and and now in sometimes it's embarrassing if you're A's person you're so used to shouting out when there's another bra that's still being said it's happened to me a few times too uh and that is they say at AIS in you're not going to hear it now why is that so so once again the r says the Rama says our the Asic was not to recite because the baby is suffering some pain and because the baby is suffering some pain we don't want to celebrate so much in ER is you know life is tough all right suffering okay so what you know this is life get get used to it you know and and rejoice Rejoice even when life is a little bit tough so what's interesting is that there's not necessarily A mitvah bris but it's cover it's honor honoring the bris by doing something that causes even P there's L but the it's also customary to make a b PR on a cup of wine yeah absolutely not you can make Kish for someone who didn't hear it 10,000 times you can do it over and over and over and over again and this is the very important message Rashi explains in M that my ability to recite KES a 100 times and it's not a blessing in vain notal is because is that means every Jew is responsible for every other Jew so if there's one man one I say man one person in the world who has not heard Kish my Mitzvah is not complete so I can do it because if you didn't hear Kish then in some ways I didn't hear Kish so that's absolutely not a problem although I will discuss the manwoman issue all of this is really a long introduction to some things we will uh we will focus on if you repeat Kish absolutely yes absolutely yes so uh in a way that will help you make your quota you know Shabbat uh there's a problem of 100 Bros right everyone understands this there is an inion maybe it's not an obligation but there's an important inan that we try to recite 100 Bros every day now if you D in three amid during the week that already gives you 57 you get 57 Bros from the three Shon each one is 19 Bros on chabas you have four Shimon but each one only has seven so instead of 50 uh instead of 57 bras you only have 28 bras so you're missing quite a lot so on chabas there's a shortfall of the May Bros that's the excuse to eat more to make Bros on food uh and and the like but you're right if you happen to have to repeat KES multiple times each one counts towards your May so yeah yeah that's an interesting point can I if if I DAV can I use the for the for sure could that's not a question question is can I be that they should be my some say that that might work as well it's better to do your own but you could be you could be question on any no that that would count but the difference no no no the difference is this if I hear a br that somebody's moing me so if if if somebody makes Kish for 10 people all 10 people get the credit of those bras in their Mayas but the question is if I simply hear a braa that I'm not being y with it may not count so the question is is with so that would depend on the brisker idea that it's a uh see but if I stop hear you if I hear you make a on a glass of water that that doesn't count I mean I say but it's not a I made you're not moing me with that with that yeah uh well uh it's not because it's not because of the May it's just because of the Mitzvah is a tremendous Mitzvah answering a you know there were who had a some people even even today even people they they try very much that every BR they make there should be somebody who answers so they tell a story about the great T of the Von would never make a braa unless somebody could answer so he if he got up in the middle of the night and was thirsty he would not drink water if somebody wasn't there so one time he got up like 3: in the morning and he was ravenously thirsty but he he didn't want to wake up his anybody in his house so he really was B and all of a sudden there's a knock at the door and what one of his from Thea says oh Reby I saw the light on the house I saw the candle on in the house so I figured you were up I wanted to ask you a sh I wanted to ask you can I ask you so says yes yes wonderful wonderful but let me make let me drink drink some water first so uh the next morning at chakas he sees the boy and goes over to the boy and says you know it was so wonderful that you came I was so thirsty and the boy looked at him a blank face he says Reby I I I was not at your house so what happened was elohi came just like with Abra right abraam wanted orim but it was too hot for orim soem makes the Angels come Hashem madei come in the Deus of atment now the truth is that must mean the T must be very special though if Alo andvi if that is the person aloi decides to become but you see that doesn't only come for big missions Ali comes so will be able to to have a drink of water in the middle of middle of the night don't know no no no again let let me clarify this answering a is a great Mitzvah it's a great powerful Mitzvah but it doesn't count towards your 100 that's that's all I'm saying these are two different konas one is the Mitzvah of which is a great mitzvah the other is did you say 100 braas and that unless they're M you if I'm making kidish for you or something then it counts for you and for me but what if the woman saying the BR you saying a man what if she meant it for everyone well it's not up to her more or less meaning meaning if if she's not helping you fulfill a Mitzvah that you have to make a for it would not count anyway there is a mish generally if women have theion of May that's an interesting question as well some say women don't have uh this obligation but still it's a proper thing for men and women to try to do okay uh we'll stop here and uh have a