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Between Pshat and Midrash | Rabbi Shmuel Goldin | September 9th 2025
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as opposed to just going through the
text. That's by popular request. But the
first few um the first few sessions will
be sort of introductory in nature,
particularly this one between Pant and
Medish. What is wrong with the way we
teach Torah text? And this is something
I I know you've heard from me before
that I feel very strongly about. I feel
that the way we teach our children text
is is just problematic and I'll explain
what I mean as we go through the uh the
texts in front of us. The first text is
a a section of the Rambam. It's from his
introduction
to a portion of the Talmud Sanhedrin.
And this section known as kale basically
has a great number of very difficult
medrash very very difficult to
understand and to try to to contemplate
what they're saying and it is here that
the Rambam basically turns to us and
says I want you to understand how I
think medash is supposed to be
approached and he says there are three
groups of people
he says the first group.
I have they are very many in number in
this first group from what I've seen and
what I've experienced and what I've
heard.
They are basically people who see medish
and understand it
understand it as it is basically and
they don't look for anything further
than the actual text and the problem is
he says that with this group is that
ultimately they find medish to be not
understandable.
and and negative. They basically say the
rabbis are fantasizing and therefore
this particular group falls into a trap
and is unable to really understand the
beauty of Medish
Haken.
The second group he says
this is a group that is also plentiful.
He says there are many of those that are
that are in this group. They take Medish
literally
which leads to absurdities. He says
basically basically they they take
Medish literally. they don't necessarily
uh understand the what the text is
really saying and therefore they they
see the shot of the medish and that's
what they take and and therefore they
will fall astray as well and finally he
says the third group the third group and
he bemons this fact he says the third
group isn't as many it's it's I've only
met a few people who really do this he
says the third group is the group that
understands that med is to be understood
on multiple levels. That the surface
level of a medrash is not what the
rabbis want you to accept. What they
want you to accept, he says, is that
which is underneath that which motivates
the story and what is the lesson that
they are trying to teach. That is how
you are meant to understand Medish. And
he says this is the group that I find
myself in. This is the group that I wish
there were more of and this is the way
medish must be understood.
Now I'm sharing this with you because as
I've said I believe we
fail to teach medish properly and we
fail to teach shot properly. What
happens in our schools generally is and
in many of our teachings is right off
the bat as soon as we start we move to
medish and we teach medish as if it's
text and if you talk to children
learning in school today and you talk to
them for example about the story of
Yoseph and his brothers they'll tell you
that the brothers made a bezdon and they
made a bezden and they checked him and
they and that's how what happened and
they you know they they they went
through a process
And it they're saying this as if it's
written in the text and it's not. So
much of what they quote is simply not in
the simply not there. And because of
that they fail to understand medish and
fail to understand phat and phat
really has a lot to say. Pot is
beautiful and too often they don't even
learn the shot. Yes. Yes, you're going
to discuss the role of Rashi because
Rashi really crowned.
>> Okay.
>> Rashi,
>> right? Okay. So, we'll talk
>> that's a excellent point. Excellent
point. Rashi, it's very interesting.
Rashi
tries to stick to the text but when he
but periodically when he finds himself
stuck he will go to medish and as if
it's you know as if it's the way to
learn his grandson the rashbam who I've
told you is my favorite classical
commentary because he believes in
parabat says that his grandfather said
at the end of his life that if he would
have written the again he would stayed
closer to Pashhat. So, but it is it's
true. We'll see in a a couple of cases
here where Rashi does go to medish and
it is un I understand it because he has
trouble finding a way to approach the
shot. All right. Now, we're going to
take a look at a number of examples
of medish and
we'll try to understand both the medish
and the phat. The first example actually
is an example that for me was very
telling because it I I dealt with it in
Yeshua University when I was teaching uh
a class I taught classes there in Kumash
and I had I was in the JSS program which
that's what it was called then which is
a program for people from a not a strong
background that and sort of an outreach
program but it was also for failed
Yeshua students who somehow didn't
didn't want to go mainstream and wanted
to to take the easy route
and we were dealing with parases
appropriately
and I got to the point where we were
dealing with the fourth day and the
creation of the luminaries in the
heavens.
So if you take a look on the second
page, you find that there is a
problematic sentence in in the text.
God created the two great luminaries.
The great luminary to rule during the
day, the lesser luminary to learn during
the rule during the night and the stars.
So the question is there's it's super
there's why doesn't it simply say and
God created the great luminary and the
small luminary. Why does it say the two
great luminaries? So I turned to my
students and I said, "What do you
think?" Hands went up. Well, we know. We
know the answer. The answer is the moon
and the sun were the same size and the
moon complained. And because the moon
complained, therefore, God caused the
moon to be diminished. And that is why
it says two great luminaries. I said to
them, okay, stop.
I said to them, how many of you think or
believe that the moon can talk?
I said, and this was a more important
question. How many of you believe that
in order to be an observant Jew, you
have to believe the moon can talk?
Right? Because that's what we're
teaching our kids. And they they were
they were a gasast. I mean, this is what
they had learned. This is what they were
told. I was attacking a a basic
understanding of the text from their
perspective. But I said to them then, I
want you to understand
we're dealing with this in the safety of
a yeshiva university classroom.
If you are, and this was before all the
trouble on campus, if you on a campus of
another college and someone came up to
you and quoted this madish and said, "Do
you really believe that?" you would be
hardpressed
to to to respond. You would say, "Yeah,
I guess I do. I don't know." So, we're
we're demanding a belief in things even
more than the things that that have to
be believed and and creating a real
problem. Now, how is this to be
understood? So, let's start with the
medish. The medish obviously is teaching
a lesson. What is a lesson? The lesson
is that jealousy at least on the surface
there are other lessons as well. But the
lesson is that jealousy is wrong. One
whose jealous is eventually diminished.
And therefore the rabbis seeing this
textual
um this textual problem basically turn
and say we're going to take that lesson
and we're going to attach it to the text
and we're going to teach it so that it
will be learned and carried down across
the ages in a story sort of form. They
are not demanding that we believe the
moon can talk. They're not. Now what's
pushupshot?
Pab shot actually is very appropriate
particularly this week and I'll tell you
why. Pant Sha
was driven home to me in a book by a man
by the name of Azar last name I forget
the first name where he wrote about
science and and brait
he said you know
the moon and the sun
as viewed from earth are of the same
circumference
in other words they are sure one's
brighter than the other but they are of
the same circumference How do I know
that? Because I can have a solar
eclipse. I can have the moon blocking
the sun's rays. And therefore, isn't it
miraculous?
Isn't it miraculous that these two
bodies which are so vastly different and
one so much greater than the other have
been put in the heavens just so when we
look at them they are of the same
circumference.
the two great luminaries which on some
level are equivalent
the great luminary and the small
luminary now again I believe that's
parash it's beautiful it's beautiful and
it's something that is missed when we
immediately go to the med let's go to
the next one the next one is really very
interesting and it's also very a couple
of the med Russian we're going to learn
today are unfortunately
appropriate for our time
viol we're we're now we're traveling now
to the interchange between cayenne and
he
that leads to the murder of he and here
we have a very very difficult puk in the
Torah puk says
Cen said to his brother
and it was when they were in the field
rose up against his brother and killed
him. What's missing?
>> What did he say? Right. It's not there.
Now, it would be a It would be less of a
problem if it would have said
in heaven. So you'd say that they but
nowhere in the text does it say vom he
said without telling you what it said.
It's it's absent. It's not there. So
immediately the ram the kazal rush in to
fill in the gap and they they they
suggest some things that seem
fantastical.
Take a look. The first s there are three
suggestions that are made.
The first suggestion
raid
they said basically cayenne and he said
let's divide up give we're the only ones
here let's divide up the world right
you'll have h part of well you'll I'll
have part of the world and the division
say the rabbis that they suggested was
actually along the lines of a division
that exists throughout out which is
metalin and ka right land and movables.
So, one of them said, "Okay, I'll take
the land."
And the other one said, "Okay, I'll take
the movables."
Then one of them turned to the other and
said, "Okay, get off my land." And the
other one said, "Give me back my shirt."
And they began to fight and struggle.
And Cayenne kills Seville. That's
suggestion number one. Suggestion number
two.
Suggestion number two is on the next
page.
And says, "What were they arguing
about?"
No, they were smarter than than than we
had in the first one. They were they
divided land and movables.
But what then did they argue about? In
whose land would the BA mikdash be
built? All right. Now, it's getting kind
of fantastical here, right? I mean,
basic is centuries to come. It's not not
here,
but but that's the suggestion. They
argued and Cayenne kills Heaven.
And finally, you have the third
suggestion. The third suggestion is that
they argued about a woman that basically
there was an extra twin that was born
with with Cayenne in heaven, whatever.
And and there they they were arguing
they they were arguing about a woman.
Now, stop. What's going on?
What are the rabbis telling me? And why
do they why did they come up with these
three seemingly
unbelievable explanations, right?
They're arguing about uh kaka and metal.
They're argue it gets gets harder as we
go. They're arguing about the bas. Come
on now.
Along comes Nama Lewitz.
She's such a a masterful teacher and she
says, "Take a look at this medish and
look at it carefully.
across time.
What have we killed each other for?
We've killed each other for possession.
We've killed each other for religion.
And we've killed each other for passion.
And therefore, what the medish is saying
is we don't know what Cen said to he,
but it had to be one of these three
things because that's what people fight
about.
And if you understand the medish as he
she suggests it's it's a powerful and
very sad medish because what it's saying
is we have not moved one inch off the
killing field since the time of cayenne.
You know when when the 1900s began
everybody was saying or a lot of people
were saying it's a new era new era.
We've made tremendous scientific
strides, tremendous uh strides in
industry. This era, this century is
going to be an era of peace and harmony,
right? Ended up being the most
bloodthirsty era in in in history.
We haven't moved off the killing field.
And that's frightening to us. And that's
and that's what that medish is
suggesting. Why nevertheless did the
Torah as heard by
>> Okay, now we get to push. All right,
that's good. That's the mish. All right,
he said, but why does the total leave
out what he said? All right, so I'll
throw it out to you. What do you think
the answer might be?
>> Because it doesn't matter what he said.
It doesn't matter. What the Torah is
telling us is through omission. It's
brilliant.
There is no possible excuse for what
happened yesterday on the bus. I don't
care what your China is. I even use this
manduk.
I remember when I spoke to my sh in the
aftermath of 911
and I said to them, "What's the Torah
teaching us?" that no matter what your
Tina may be and maybe maybe Cayenne had
a valid maybe he was lording it over him
because God accepted his sacrifice and
Cen was was who knows but whatever what
it was doesn't matter what matters is
what he did and there's no excuse for
what he did and therefore we're going to
tell you vom we're going to tell you he
said something he had a China and we're
going to leave it out so here's a
Perfect example. I wish all medashi were
and and pashab shot were as beautiful as
this one because it really fits
perfectly both the medish and the shot.
Yes.
>> On the first one maybe loud grandfather.
>> Okay.
>> I don't know.
Is that you saying
so can you say does anybody I don't know
where my father got this from that the
two liner
>> are just different.
You could say the when you're young, you
want your values of your parents to be
reflected. And then
get older, you want to be like the son,
you want to stand alone. You want to be
>> I've heard that. It's a beautiful. It's
a beautiful because we say
it's referring to the child now who's
like the moon should somehow become like
the sun. It's very pretty. Very pretty.
Is it is it pos? No. But it's very
pretty and and and and it's snow and
it's
>> shock but the thing that that which is
reflected is not as powerful but they're
both luminary,
>> right? But it's not explaining why the
text says the two great luminaries, the
large and the small. Why are they both
great lumin? Why is it that extra?
>> All right. Good.
>> Okay. Could be. Could be. All right.
You're you're making a good case. You're
making a good case. All right. Now I
want to go to a couple of other a couple
of other very very small examples and
then to a
>> kind as we said that it doesn't matter
what he said that the Torah deliberately
leaves out the substance of what he said
because the Torah is teaching us that it
>> in right that it doesn't matter what he
said no matter what he said no matter
what his tina was there's no excuse for
what happened. Okay? And and the Torah
couldn't have told us that in in in a
better way. In other words, this is it's
so brilliant because what the Torah does
is Torah says they he said something
there was a time, but we're not going to
tell you what it is because it doesn't
matter.
>> Yeah. Possession, religion, what's the
one?
>> Passion.
>> Women. Women.
>> Passion. Passion.
>> Yes. All right. One more question then
we'll move on. Yes.
I am not aware of any other case in the
Torah where the Torah says vy and does
not tell you what was said. This is the
only case that I'm aware of. There may
be well but I'm not aware of it. Okay.
Now let's go to to a couple of others
that I think are are again important for
us as well.
Um let's take a look at Lot and Avam as
they travel together.
So again we'll see that this is
unfortunately very very appropriate for
the time Vir Lo and and and Araham and
their shepherds and their cattle are all
traveling together. And the Torah says
there was a fight.
There was a fight between
the shepherds of Lot and the shepherds
of Abraham and theanim and the pim then
were living in the land. Now what's what
what does what's the right what does
this have to do with the Brooklyn
Bridge? In other words, what's the
association with the of the second half
of the sentence with the first?
So Rashi
quotes a medish which may be close to
pashhatraat but it's it's it's still
medashraik it's not clear and then I'll
tell you a swarno which I think is
closer to pashad rashi says and it's a
famous medish that what they were
arguing about was that the shepherds of
lo were allowing their flocks to graze
on property belonging to the kanim and
the priest right and they were saying
basically God's giving us the land and
am shepherds were saying no we don't
have it yet it still belongs to them and
that's the connection between the second
part of the sentence and the first so
it's medic but close to the says
something I think even more even more
beautiful
basically what the sarno says is as
follows there was an argument and a
reeve and a terrible argument split in
within the camp of Abraham and Lot.
At the time that was happening, they
were surrounded by aliens. They were
surrounded by others who were looking at
them, who were watching them, and who
were basically saying, "They can't get
along with each other. They're never
going to get along with us."
Take one step further. They can't get
along with each other. It's a perfect
time to attack.
So now look at that puk and it speaks to
us right. There was a riv between low
right inner an inner dimension of
turmoil and and nothing changes right
nothing new under the sun we become
vulnerable when we can't get along with
each other and that's problematic.
All right let's go on. We're going to
take another look now with this now this
one's a a very interesting one I think
there we're going to go to the ao
all right and here Rashi quotes medish
that's medish and I think because he's
having a difficulty with the text what
does the medish say what does the Torah
say where the introduction to the reads
as follows
it was after these
Abraham.
Now, what's problematic in that
sentence?
>> Is it I I've asked you this before. Does
the Torah follow chronological order?
>> Sure does. It follows chronological
order except when it doesn't. What do I
mean by that? All right. As a rule, the
Torah follows chronological order,
right? A precedes, Sorah precedes Rifka,
right? Follows chronological order. In
fact, there are those who say, including
the Ramban, that it's never out of
order.
There are some commentaries who say,
you know, I can't understand the flow of
the text as it's written.
I guess this must have happened before.
And that's the way they understand the
text. But it's only in a few few
sections. But I asked you that question
and got your answer because I wanted to
show you how you we you learned how we
learned how I learned it. Right. I grew
up thinking there's no order to what
mean there's no order to the text. The
text follows a chronological order
except in unusual circumstances when
some commentaries say it doesn't. And
that's what we need to understand. So if
that's the case, if the Torah follows
chronological order, what's the problem
with this?
when why does the Torah ever have to say
to me it was after these things right
what why why does Torah ever have to say
it so I'm sorry
>> okay we're going to talk all right now
let's take a look at what Rashi says
here Rashi goes straight to Medish and
and a medish which moves which veers
totally from abs rashi says if you take
a look at the next next page
that the word devarim in this case does
not mean
does not mean things. It was after these
things but rather durim.
It was after these statements
and says Rashi what were the durim
two possibilities and he's quoting
Medish one possibility is that Sultan
said to Akesh Baraku you know Abra made
a party when the son was born and didn't
even offer a carb unto you. So, Hashem
says to him, "DY, you're going to see
how willing a car he'll be to give a
real carbon." And that led to the ao.
Second possibility is that Ishmael was
saying to Yitzk, you think that you're
so good. You had a bris at 8 days. I had
a bris when I was 12 years old. I'm much
better than you, right? I'm willing. So
along comes Hashem and says we'll see
what Yitzk is willing to give up and and
that'll answer Ishmael. Now that is
Medrashik that the Torah doesn't Torah
says
the simple explanation is after these
things. So why does the Torah ever say
that phrase?
So the rashbam
as others says very simply every time
the Torah says
or
there is a connection between what just
happened and what's about to happen.
It's not just telling me this happened
after. It's telling me that this
happened at least partially because of
what preceded it.
which would mean according to the
Rashbam that I'd have to take a look at
what precedes the Aedo
and find a connection to the Aedo. All
right. Well, what what precedes the
Aedo? Take a look at page number four.
Does anyone know?
>> Ah, very good. Correct. Correct. If you
take a look at page four, number four,
and it's just a a small section of it.
We see God is with you and his entourage
comes to a we see God's with you.
I want you to swear. I want you to make
a a bris a covenant that you will not
deal falsely with me or with my children
or my grandchildren. And this is and
he's asking by the way and it's
important that as the paragraph develops
they create a bris which is a real
covenant real bris. Now what's what's
the connection between that and the
aedo? The rashbam is basically telling
us that there has to be a connection. So
the rashbam offers one that I think is
very very powerful and it's it's
revolutionary because it explains
on some level why the aada occurs
says the rashbam.
Take a look and I want you to see his
words.
Take a look at the bottom of page four.
following the brisks, the covenant that
Ara made with the likes of Avime. By the
way, Aviamelik is is a sort of an
interesting character in the text. He's
not evil, but he's not particularly
good. He's a he's a he's sort of a king
that allows things to happen and and
claims he doesn't know they happened.
All right, but anyway, because that and
that emerges here, too, because the
first thing that Aram says to you is,
"Why did you steal my wells?" And aime
says, "I didn't do anything. I didn't
know about it." Whatever. You should
know about it. Anyway, after you created
a covenant with Avi
for you and your children and your
grandchildren,
take a look at the next page.
Page number five, the top of the page,
the underlined section.
Vitzaro.
God responded to that bris
by
creating
a very very frightening reality for
Aval. He basically is punishing him.
Why?
You were willing
means you dealty
with your child that I gave to you by
endangering him with a bris with aime in
perpetu in intergenerationally.
Now take that child that you endangered
and offer him up on the mountain.
And
now you'll know
what that that bris really was. It just
what what the value of that bris was.
Now what what's happening here?
Rashbam is suggesting because we really
have a problem when it comes to the ao
and the concept of nison in general and
there are all sorts of explanations as
to why god tests man but in this
particular case the rash offers yet
another explanation I don't think he
denies all the others but he also he
says there is something happening here
that god is responding to and if you go
back up actually you find a very
interesting
um pattern in the text around that leads
to the ao. It's a pattern where Abraham
has to deal with the outside world and
has to retreat from the outside world
and then has to deal with the outside
world and has to retreat from the
outside world. And what what's that
pattern creating? It's creating the
balance that we've had to have
throughout our history, which is we live
in the world and we have to know where
to draw the line. We have to know where
we can't step over the line. If we step
over the line, then we endanger
ourselves. We endanger our children. We
have to know what we can accept from an
outside culture and what we can't. Ara
according to the Rashbam steps over the
line here by creating that covenant with
Avi.
He endangers Yitzk and his progeny and
the balance is offkilter and Hashem has
to respond and the rashban says so this
again becomes very relevant for us
because we are I'm working on a on a on
a book now about the cycle of the year
and one of the one of the essays that I
have is that
we the name the names of the months of
the year where do they come According
to most
explaining a comment in the Gomorrah
that says they were brought back from
Babylon, right? The rabbi most
commentaries say these were Babylonian
names that we adopted.
Wait a minute. We're calling the the
months of our year across perpetuity
by the names that were called by a
country that enslaved us, defeated us,
uh burnt the burnt the temple, uh sent
us into exile. Why? Why are we doing
that? So, I ask you something.
Is it true that we as we go through
history are affected by the world around
us?
>> Are we changed by the world around us?
Right? Take a look at look for in our
day when we finally see Jews across the
world ashkanazms farm glitz litvox
it. What is all that? That's all
baggage. That's all baggage that we
picked up. You know, walk the street
here in Shalam and you'll see so many
different Jews of so many different
backgrounds of so many different
costumes and basically we pick up things
from the world around us.
But and this is where the balance comes
in. We have to know where we have to
stop. We have to know where this and it
becomes even more problematic in our day
when the outside world invades our homes
and invades our children's world and and
and things are coming in that you you
just you you know you just have to say
no to. Yes.
>> What was wrong? Okay.
the actual Brit was that they would have
pe that they would that they would they
would treat each other with respect. But
basically what he was saying is you have
rights and I have rights. And a part
part one of the commentaries in the
Kazal says basically that Aram was
destined to get the land from Aimel. He
should never have made a bris basically
saying you have the rights. So that but
also I I think also it was to make a
covenant with someone like Avi Melik is
problematic not just in terms of the
land it's problematic because you don't
you don't accept what aime stands for
yes
>> explains the first
one right after the game by the way and
I heard from Brown in Poland
a beautiful day again.
>> Okay. All right. Good. I'm listening.
>> That
found that the DNA changed that you had
this message of
was put into
and that's why we had to bring after the
enab
tragedies to the Holocaust in Poland.
This could work great.
>> Interesting. Interesting. It's also
appropriate for this. It's also
appropriate for this shabas because this
shabas has the to this shabas we read uh
frighteningly prophetic frightening
prophetic curses that will ensue to to
the Israelites to the Jews fail on our
based on our failures. All right, take a
look now though. I'm going to give you a
bonus shot. What I mean by that is we're
going to take a look at another text
very quickly because we're running out
of time. And and I want to show you how
again a reading of the text makes so
much difference. This is the next
generation. And I'll take questions
afterwards. This is the next generation.
What happens? Take a look.
Migrs
with his entourage, right?
But and he
says, "Why have you come to me?
You hated me and you sent me from you."
And they answer, "Oh no, no. We see that
God is with you. And now let there be a
an agreement between us.
Let's make a covenant. if you will deal
with us falsely just like we did not
harm you and sent you away in peace.
Okay, so what's going on here? First of
all, one of the things you see in
Yeitzk's life is he it repeats many of
the things that happened in Aram's life
happen in Yitzk's life.
>> Same
not clear. Avi like parro could well
have been the title. But what's the
first thing we see? Avi's coming to you.
It's what's the first thing we see? What
happened to your intergenerational
bris? Right? You know, just you just you
just made a comment. If it's you or your
your father or grandfather and now you
have to make another one. What? So
that's issue number one. But now take a
look
at what Yitzk says and what Aime says.
Are they disagreeing about the facts?
And the answer is no.
Yetsk said, "You sent me from you. You
chased me out of your land." And Aimel
says, "We sent you in sent you in
peace."
They're not disagreeing about the facts.
What are they disagreeing about? The
definition of peace, right? That's what
they're disagreeing about. Basically,
Aviamel is saying peace means we won't
kill you.
We may exile you. We may uh whatever,
but we won't kill you. And along comes
Yeitzk and says, "Oh,
you sent me out. You hate me." Now,
there is a fundamental difference
between Yitzk and Aimel as the way you
define peace.
What's the next thing that happens?
Next thing that happens is
stops talking.
The discussion stops and he throws a
party. Why? First of all, it's
dangerous. He has to There's nothing to
talk about. When you are facing someone
who sees the world so absolutely
differently than you do as we know
there's no conversation. So Yitzk says
I'm not going to I'm not going to make a
bris with him. I'm not going to make a
covenant with him. I'll I'll make some
agreements to make us feel bad to so he
won't kill me. But the fact is that we
we're we're negotiations are over. No
negotiations.
And then what does it say at the end?
And this is where the Torah has such
beautiful irony
after this party.
They swore to each other, but they did
not make a bris. It doesn't appear the
way it did with Abraham.
And then
what does he do? exactly what they did
to him and they are leaving in their
definition of peace. In other words,
he's basically saying all right that I
can't nothing to talk about, nothing to
negotiate. We're not going to make a
real and by the way who come down on
Araham for the creation of the bris with
aime are silent when it comes to this
exam episode. They don't they don't
criticize yet. And if you learn the text
carefully, it's clear why because
understands that you can't make a
covenant with a melik. Okay. So what?
Yes.
>> I say they want to kill every single one
of us and want the whole land from the
river.
>> We are not.
>> I'm trying. There were numerous things
we said in this class that absolutely
mirror exactly what's happening in our
world. Numerous things we said and that
that again. All right. So I hope that
I've made my case that medish is
beautiful and should be understood as
medish and shot is beautiful and should
be under taught as
the way we should start. We should start
with the shot and then go to the medish.
Yes.
have the right to make a bridge with
Abel.
>> According to Kazal though, that's right.
According to Kazal, he had no right to
make a bris with Abi Melik because
eventually Abby Melik was going to have
land that Aram was supposed to get etc
etc. He should not have made the bris.
Okay. Uh thank you very much everybody.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
I always struggle between the the
problem of the authority of the
>> midashim
>> because we have to be there which we
have to accept is coming right
traditionally from