On the Table - Ep #2: The Dangers of Addiction - Rabbi Peretz B. Eichler with Rabbi Dovid Goldwasser

[Applause] [Music] hi everybody ferrets Bianca aka the red the rebel the cause and the cause of you a life filled with meaning value a purpose as expressed right here on hit a brute on the table with me where we discuss issues across the board you know the fellow was standing outside a casino in LA in Atlantic City and as he walked in to sit down at the blackjack table he saw a sign that said have a gambling problem call this number sat down blackjack table and as he was about to begin he he called that number said I'm in Atlantic City I have a gambling problem he said yes how I can help you he said I have a jack and a four should I draw a fold unfortunately there are people who do not recognize that they have an addiction and the only way to solve an addiction speken izing to the problem it's become epidemic today not just gambling addiction alcohol addiction food addiction internet addiction and others which may surprise you here to discuss the impact of the district and the world at large and particularly with what's happened within the Jewish community in recent years who are not immune to this plague is roughly double Goldwater he's the rather congregation been a Hitchcock in in Flatbush but he's also the macabre the author of multiple books three of which on mental health of which he is an expert and a sought-after consultant in the field on he is also a visiting professor both at Long Island University and that Toro college and his erudition his wisdom is sought upon by people around the world for his expertise both in the journal world at large of psychological ailments particularly in the realm of addiction as well as all things Jewish he's written a phenomenal book it is called the addicted soul and it's the world of addiction internet gambling drinking shopping thing things that we would hardly ever have thought of as being addictive what is addiction rabbi gold wasn't and what are the the the parameters of what defines addictions today and just how serious problem is it is because what I was looking at a brochure and just on drinking is that alcohol kills more than a hundred thousand people a year drunk driving kills about 15,000 people opioids heroin they become epidemic every community that you go to what is going on you know they say that the addiction has come about in the plague of addictions across the board because we have an addictive mind it's addictive thinking today I can get what I need and I can get it now everything is at our beck and call especially those things that up until now were very difficult to access I can get it on the computer in a day I can have it at my door I can see things that I could have never seen years ago instant gratification isn't active it's not fast enough exactly it's it's a moment it's on the moment the greatest problem that we have today is that whenever there is a lacking whenever I'm in need when I move a little bit down so what the world is saying is use artificial means and get yourself back up what that does is it increases our need for outside stimuli once we have greater needs so then we have to fulfill them more whenever you feed this lion it wants more and more the addiction is the thing that makes us rely on something for our own gratification for our happiness or just to live another day to go on the more that a person relies on it the more that they get out of regular living they no longer use rationale they will stay up all night to watch the computer they won't be able to get up for the job in the day if they have an addiction towards gambling they will use any money that's available to them they will go beyond anybody we still from there best friend from their father from their mother from their wife of their husband just in that idea comes to mind a woman came into me middle-aged woman very very upset distraught her husband has a gambling addiction okay so one day she comes home it was on a Thursday and she sees that the candelabra her life sir is missing where she would like to humbly roberson hang out Shabbos candles and they felt terrible or her husband was crying that night who could have done such a terrible thing to come in instill something like that out from the house obviously it was antique obviously with something very holy and they were upset a few weeks they went without it and she lit candles and little traveling candle sticks a dollar or two she was on Flatbush Avenue there's a pawn shop where people pawned goods to make a little bit of money she was walking past that happened to glimpse of the window and she sees her candelabra she runs in no doubt that is hers on the bottom there is suspense with a special marking that it belongs to her she comes and says how do I get this back he said well if you wanted back this is the what this is the amount of money is where did you get this from well there was a man that came in a middle-aged man and he looked like he was religious he begins to describe the husband she goes home intense slow-mo how could you have he breaks down and cries imagine the types of things that come out from an addiction and that's not only in that area in gambling its in texting internet shopping drinking drugs you name it even addictive relationships where it passes all the normal boundaries addiction means I cannot live without it I can't go on without it I need to have it to make it through the day if I can just light up one time that's okay I'll make it through the day if I can't I'm going to go crazy and I'm not going to go cold turkey because I don't want to suffer so the addictive mind says I've got to worry the entire day how am I going to quench my thirst how am I going to put out today's fire so that I can make it through and it is crazy because in today's world we are almost feeding in to the addiction dicted world example something that most people would never think is addiction at all a guy stops me I'm in Borough Park big guy he stops me and he says can you help me with addiction where I go off so this is a you're an angel from heaven that you're here today I said oh yeah how could I help you sir not like the guy outside because you know did he have a jack in the tomb working tree hold a draw yeah not the same since it was the problem he says I'm addicted so I said what are we talking about he says garlic garlic garlic how can you big dicted the garlic's he pulls out from his pocket a piece of garlic he doesn't get it from anybody else goes most people won't get too close they will get too close to garlic it's true but it has a quality so he told me he cannot be without garlic on Shabbat on the Sabbath he keeps garlic in the show his garlic in the home just in case he needs an emergence of like obsessive-compulsive thing I said no no it can't anything can turn into it believe it or not I went into a store about a month later there is a package of food called garlic addiction garlic addiction so what we're doing is we're feeding the idea that you can be addicted even to something like garlic something like tobacco or drinking or other things like that gambling that naturally have the addictive element within it you can imagine how much worse it is sure I mean that is egregious serious obvious somebody being addicted to garlic but you're not gonna find somebody holding up the store or robbing from their parents or going to jail for a garlic addiction I don't think with the other addictions I mean they they're thinking itself is what you're driving at is really there it's the whole mindset of today's world I gotta have it I gotta have it now so the guy liked it they want it I need it right take cigarettes right so you take a child the first time a child takes a cigarette coughs feels like spitting up can't continue he's got to regurgitate right it's terrible but then when it continues it becomes interesting then it becomes addictive then he can't get away from it I had a guy one time man about 40 and shove everyone knows about you can't smoke right can't do it you got to stay away one day how is he going to do it he's smoking a pack a day shabad he's going to go Friday night until Saturday without a cigarette he found the brilliant answer he found a way to do it where there's a will there's a way the city buses they let out a lot of exhume they exhausted comes out the fumes I know a guy who crimped that it was a he was a tailpipe and he woke up exhausted yeah other than exactly what he did no joke he followed the exhaust walk behind the bus in order to breathe it that's lethal I mean that doesn't matter in this anyone will tell you at war they can't get alcohol they use rubbing alcohol doesn't matter either potent so you can kill a person but it doesn't matter because when an individual is addicted they're thinking with their addicted mind they're not thinking with a rationale so I'll still my mother's ring I will do anything that I need to do I will do something on the internet that I've never done in my life I will meet a person god forbid hasta Shalom that will change my life forever and ruin my family but I will do it because I'm addicted that is what we are finding today and it cuts across all socio-economic backgrounds all religious background people doesn't matter where they're at in life old young little as we just spoke about before the program began in the community and where I live in Lakewood there is actually a committee which I'm part of to prevent underage drinking indulgences and drugs I asked them how old are they when they still they start with third graders with coloring books third graders they have to within in Washington they invited me to a school to speak about eating disorders in the addiction in terms of eating disorder this is a great place to speak about eating disorders in Wolfe Atlanta that's wonderful it cures it all so a fantastic thing the principal of school I spoke to all grades starting from the fourth grade up through the twelfth grade the principal came over to me and said would you mind we would like you to get exposure in the fifth grade it's not going to have you so would you mind eating lunch with them I said so pleasure I'll be happy to i sat down and there was me maybe there were twenty five at the table all of a sudden they served some various items the first thing one of the children did fifth grade picks up looks at the nutritional panel wait a minute twenty fat calories hung up I couldn't believe it and I'm sitting here fifth graders and we're having discussion about fat calories it's an obsession and what happens is it goes beyond the norm it crosses the boundary and then individual all they see is what they're after they can no longer see the world around them now how did this happen in terms of our community the Jewish world at large in any portion any part of the world whether it's in Eretz Israel the United States of America Europe I mean this never infiltrated the Jewish community to the extent that it has now what happened it seems as though we used to be an insular community in the shtetl in Europe even when we first came to New York to America wherever all the different cities in London in Gateshead we used to be insular we could keep our own we had our own philosophy we are old outlook and we're going to protect children but now the world at large has joined in with us we all have access we're all exposed the mass media has done something to the community that even in the most far-flung most insular communities I have a couple in mind that you would think have no influence on the outside nothing is able to infiltrate today they know everything and if a person is looking for it they can find it within minutes so that has greatly changed the world there's also greater desperation today there is more yes despair our self-esteem has plummeted the average child needs a boost in their self-esteem as much as education has changed and it has changed for the better and we're doing a great job and parents are wonderful but we haven't got the clue we have not got the key in boosting the self-esteem in building children and giving them that idea that they are something and no matter how they are no matter what they look like no matter what their IQ is no matter what their brain power or ability to memorize is that they are a valuable individual that's going to blossom in life we have not got that idea across the kids what I goal was if I understand you correctly I mean first of all I remember I think it was Henry David Thoreau much was either him or or Yogi Bear I always got the two confused a little cultural reference at the god you think he said most people most men we lead lives of quiet desperation but today it's no longer quiet its tumultuous the desperation that we feel now are you saying or to go answer that at the heart of this or at least that in part we can attribute someone to a lack of self-esteem that people just don't have enough sense of self-worth and therefore they're looking outside themselves definitely as simple event definitely a girl came to me from Long Island very talented 19 years old she told me have a deep secret and I have never told anybody in our community I want to tell you it was before Yom Kippur I was afraid what is the secret she said I'm on heavy drugs hmm I'm on heavy drugs I began to talk with her it's Yom Kippur it's a new year we can all get out of whatever we're in no matter how deep we are in the mud we can clean up and get out we can dry out we can do whatever we need there's therapy there's Hashem you can reach up high and ask God to help you he can make a way out of nowhere Ayana shem picks her as the hand of God ever do short and I spoke with her then I mentioned just as a you know an addendum I said and you know what with God's help you'll be married that's the first time she stopped me she said who would ever want to marry me and here's a wonderful girl a precious girl talented girl and when she said who would ever want to marry me she meant it in her heart of hearts she had zero esteem many of the people have zero steam so the addiction builds them up it gives them a ray of Sun death ray it they want Wow I'm living for because I'm going to get that smoke I'm going to get that reefer I'm going to be able to shoot up I'm going to be looking forward to the next time I can get that Russian gambling that I'm going to be something because I'm going to be having something to live for and that gives them their excitement gives them a sense of purpose almost that becomes their life that's like their job if you ask them what's more important going to work or shooting up so tell you're shooting up individual to ask you don't you want to get up on time tomorrow morning for work or for at yeah but I got to watch the next movie but you saw three movies I know but in the next movie after that I'm going to go to sleep and then they never go to sleep in the next day they fall asleep on the job and you know the end of it and then there's peer pressure and something where you refer to in the addicted soul as I believe it's called the on inhibition effect what is that example it's just an amazing thing that is found texting became very big today people would rather text and talk I prefer talking me to some at you through doing this by texting be ridiculous in what a show the the truth is that people have gotten so much into texting they'd forgotten the art of tea vacation someone will text me a very complicated high logic question and I will write back could you please call me and then they will text back could we do this by text which I would prefer to text what has happened is the texting has removed a lot of the filters that we used to have when we needed to talk to each other I will text somebody something that I'm actually afraid to tell them in person something that I'll be on abashed about something I won't be ashamed about something I'll even cross the line when I'm going to text you I would never say it out and what happens is that this inhibition effect usually starts in very early and a person will begin to text then they build up this whole text I can't wait to see what you're going to text me back and then I'm going to live in the world of make-believe in fantasy because I think I'm texting you something and you're texting me something something we may never think about or never do but in the texting world in cyberspace I'm getting the whole life out of this thing and then what happens is a person gets into deep trouble because they text the number one reason for killing and it's attributed to killing in vehicles is no longer alcohol its texting unfortunately vehicular manslaughter is because people were involved in texting if I'm talking on the phone that's one thing if I'm even drinking so I'm still trying to concentrate if I'm texting and I just sent an unbelievable text I want to see what's the response to it I cannot resist even I'm going down the highway I'm traveling on the superhighway in California or the superhighway and era to swell I cannot resist when it goes ping I got to see what did you write and if you wrote to me something exciting something that is going to get my fantasies going or my thoughts going I'm much more excited than even taking care of driving safely and where I'm driving into or on coming traffic that's considered an addiction rather than just a little rotten habit it's addiction that is addiction I cannot stop it I've got to keep my hands moving I've got to see it I can't wait for the next one I will be charged overcharge a father brought in a thousand thirty to text his he got the cell phone bill for his son and he said this would be thousands what is he doing it must be texting all day and all night but it completely takes a person over that's texting addiction I've had the question how many times are you allowed to check your emails during the day there's no house on it there though there's no Jewish about it but people see that they they've got to continue to watch it and look into cyberspace and see it and it's a it could it takes us over even the non-jewish world of them there's a book called Hamlet's blackberry to give you saw it broke yes and this was actually a couple years ago and it's updated now but they use the example from a scene in Hamlet where he takes out a tablet writing it couldn't be without it but that he said they took a sabbatical they based it on the Jewish Shabbos that they would stop using the texting and all the devices and and he said they're all life changed means it was you know making major journalists but how do we interpret let me just get to the core this good we've only began to begun to define the contours of the problem and the problem is mind-boggling I don't need to be over simplistic book are the solutions and what are we doing about it the solutions are numerous depending on the exact addiction all the addictions are cousins they're all related repair it says you know one big lot and family it is and one can all of a sudden have comorbidity and a person will switch over to a different addiction and then they'll have two or three going at the same time and they may have to go to two or three different therapists for it the solution is and I wound up with therapist addiction you go to one this guy this guy this guy - exactly exactly and then they they can't stop and then they feel that the therapist is the one that's going to cure them they're not curing themselves anymore I don't have to worry about them going to my therapist I imagine them the first thing is the recognize that for some pass problem right number one the 12-step program which we know is like is basic I've adapted it for the Jewish community and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the 12-step program I want to say it publicly there is nothing within the 12-step program that is contrary to our basic beliefs the fundamental beliefs no fundamental is that is that it's God based right that it's a bit that there is a God base the only thing I didn't quite like about it was when when I became familiar with it they keep referring to God as a higher power I mean that's kind of nice and tribute but we know it's the rebuttal um it's God is know the higher power like it some amorphous forces God a hundred percent you're on the spot on as they say because of that I've changed the language I've adopted it which will be acceptable to everyone I've changed some of the language so that we can be comfortable knowing that the rivana shall of the mass of the world is the mass of the world is there's no other word for it no other term what it is is recognizing that we have done wrong recognizing that I have a problem do you know how many people came into me coming on an addiction they were caught by their husbands by their wives by the children they're coming in because of a terrible situation in the family and they will say I'm not addicted i I did do it and I done it many times but I could stop tomorrow right Mark Twain he could quit smoking anytime you want to do it a thousand times exactly there are people that come in in their the word source I had a guy with alcohol alcoholic he came in and his wife could think you were drunk you're a drunk his wife was very you know they say 30.0 personally the drunker you just lie down yes ask you please don't use the word drug you know we got a challenge with drinking but don't they drug anyhow the guy comes in and he told me no no it's not it's it's not a drinking problem he has a certain depression and he cures it through alcohol oh so he was able to find a brilliant cure to his problem the ultimate rationalization it was an amazing amazing thing to me only a mind and steeps an alcohol becomes it comes out something like that and I've had others that will not admit to it until rock-bottom until finally something goes on then they will admit I do have a problem up until that time they will deny it as long as they denied they're not ready for help don't send them to a program don't give them a treatment center they got to realize it in their own mind once they can fess up once they can look at themselves in the mirror and say you have got to change you have got to correct yourself you are addicted you are an addict you have hurt people along the way you have done things that you should not have you have not been good to man or God the person that cannot say that cannot it's face up to their addiction they're going to live a life of Lies their whole life is going to be built on covering so that you don't find out I'm going to be able to bury it before I go into the office I'm going to make sure that I use enough mouthwash in Cologne that you're never going to know that I was smoking up all night or that I was drinking I'm going to take know those when I get in the morning I'm going to especially walk in so that everybody sees me hello how you doing great anything to camouflage your disguise would cover it up they become masters of the sky Masters of Deception Masters of Deception the sleight of hand is so great Houdini couldn't be as good as they are amazing thing I once had a person on eating disorders and the individual see they family never knew and they ate together it was phenomenal the person used to wear a big collar big collar on earth and the color was cut open and when they thought that person was taking food instead it was just going in his pockets and he made in the collar what was the reason for us take everybody out kind of an eating disorder if I wanted to I could eat everything you'd give me the whole plate and I'll eat it and unfortunately so many people have in addiction in the addictive ring-around-the-collar but never herring around the collar it you you wouldn't believe it you would not believe the things that have done so much with robbery Skaar Wallace teamwork said about fella had a drinking addiction and he didn't want us like to know and he ran to the bathroom he started you know he saw that his uh he nicked himself in shaving and he just put band-aids all over place and his wife came in and she found out that she knew exactly was going on because the band-aids were all over the mirror in other words he had put the band-aids on the murder so there were a lot of people no I'm just saying it's band-aids on the mirror how get the band-aids or a minute to reckon how do you get a person other than as you say hitting rock bottom well maybe there is no other way other than law enforcement something that happens with a person is hospitalized Lowell Anil is there any other way or are you just saying if a person doesn't hit rock bottom they're just gonna have to wait until I do it and it's pretty terrifying if they're really somebody who can cut through the layers who can appeal to the individual who can talk sense in his no-nonsense and can't be fooled then the individual could get through it takes a person that has perception that can connect to the person who's addicted if they don't connect it's like you just take him to talk all day have well if you had success stories with people you've actually been able to reach get through and take a step and be clean for whatever your diction was well I tell you my favorite my favorite if somebody came from out of country I don't want to say the country it doesn't matter and they stepped into the office and they were came with their entire family just for treatment to see me they would not see someone from the secular purely secular community and the first day at the end of the session the individual told me that they were not willing to do you know to be compliant with the therapy so I said I'm sorry I'm not your man the person said what do you mean I said there's nothing for me to say if you can't be compliant I don't want to waste your time I certainly don't away from my time because with a lot of people I got to help so I'm sorry the individual walk down the family called me rabbi do you realize we just spent six tickets to come to New York do you realize we stopped everything we quit we didn't we're not going to our business we have other people involved and we brought the page you see it I sign of it they're not complying I don't want to waste your time I don't want to waste your money I don't want to waste my time that was the first time that that individual was ever told no their life and the door as the person came back they became one of my most successful stories of anyone there's a book out tough love some of the principles I don't give my house gum I'm not giving it approbation to that book but some of the principles in top love are important I will not lend you any more money I will not give you my charge card I will not allow you to charge boobs alcohol on my card anymore you won't do it I will lock the door if you present the danger to the members in this family I definitely if they call me up I'm not going to cover for you I'm going to say exactly where I think that you're at when a person realized do not become a codependent do not become an individual that helps that aids and abets in the neighbor enable the other person to go on and carry their addictive behaviors out what a person says that that is a very strong alarm it's a chauffeur that blows and tells the person wake up you're an addicted world you're in the world of fantasy all you see around there is a imagination world you're in Disneyworld somewhere you're you're in the princess wherever it's at you are certainly not in the real world when you tell them this is the real world you got to wake up you got to become real you have heard people you've hurt yourself you're going down the drain you let your Judaism go you're not even holding on to those things that we hold to be sacred when a person starts to hear that it may be that they're going to start to understand it you really love them because if you really love them you're willing to be strong if you don't so then they just say I can take advantage of that guy who's the nicest guy that lady I can pull the wool over us she'll never know I can do all my behaviors and be in their house and they're going to help me and then my father knows the chief of police and he's going to call the chief that I ever get into trouble and I got lawyers and get me off anything it doesn't matter we all know lawyers everybody's got protection unfortunately we become very adept and how to get people off the hook but it doesn't get them unhooked it just gets them out of trouble for the time being and then they one some people get into trouble psychologically just to see if they can get out of trouble then we want to get into trouble but they say I want to get into this tight spot to see if I can get out of the tight spot they need therapy they need to recognize it they need to go through the 12-step program they need to go cold turkey they got to separate they got to know what it is can I go two days without a smoke can I go for days without a smoke can I go a week without hitting the bottle that means even kiddush grape juice and not strong grape juice I'm talking about the light stuff can they do it are they willing to make different changes in their life are they willing not to go past a liquor store on their way gambling are they willing to say I am NOT going to go to the casino are they willing to say and look you straight in the eye I will not go on to that site which is a gambling site I won't even play a friendly game of poker I won't even play dreidel if that's what it comes down because I play dreidel and there's few dollars in between that that's also great none of that not nothing gambling is so bad that I know a person swore I will never gamble I'm not gonna gamble I promise I'm not going anywhere near Atlantic City he was leading a double life so he found a great way to do it he cashed his check he got a salary check at the end of two weeks he goes in the corner store and he buys 100 lottery tickets it's gambling just a little different a little bit more legal a little bit more kosher but it's the same gambling and I've had this on all different addictions relationship addiction is something in today's world a person has to watch a person gets too hung up on a friend and then they get upset with a friend and then an unnatural whole relationship develops and I can go anywhere and if that person doesn't go with me I'll get especially angry and I can only be me and then I'll start to wear the same clothing is the other person we have this blossoming now because there are relationships that are unhealthy a person has to know the gagarin what does it mean to have a healthy relationship within the boundaries is it out if I got to talk to my friend all night or I got to text my friends all night what's with that you're going to sleep anymore you have any dinner anymore you're texting with your friend your this is just an example of the many different addictions that are taking over life and they're taking over regular people's life a fascinating thing it says even you have to have some cash on him you know we quoted if your sins are going to be read like scarlet so I Shem says I'll clean them they'll be white like snow so I saw one of the outstanding commentaries and says Shannon can also be according to years we were used to a person getting involved in his teenage years into 20-somethings that we weren't used to the person 60 70 80 getting involved in addiction but in today's world the addictions come out and pull us in so even a person can be elderly and can be involved in a problem an addiction an internet problem any of these things shopping shopping addiction I can sit down now I can watch the program or tune into the website shopping right we've got an unbelievable watch this watch will change your life it will tell you when to wake up when to go to sleep what are your peak hours to go running when you should eat when you shouldn't eat this watch will tell you what's going on on the other side of the world it will tell you how many steps you took today so in the meantime the guys watching this for the old ladies watching this elderly woman and she's kind of have that watch so immediately they put the charge card on very simple they call up and they order three and one for my friend one for my mother whatever what happens is that it has reached out to everybody I had a wife that called me that her husband there's they cannot pull the car into the garage anymore what it was a problem the garage is full of all the things that my husband ordered and opened me did it open it so the attorney has an opening addiction or whatever you it doesn't matter you just you have this stuff I don't need that it's shopping that means I gotta have it not the things that I need I just I have it I get goods it's filling the hole so that's what I would like to I want this conversation to continue but we're out of time for the moment whether but this idea of that I have to have and this concept of what you just said now double which is filling this hole some people would say that there's a god-shaped hole in each of us and the only thing it's going to fill it is spirituality for remember the Jewish community Torah and mixes would you leave us with a thought on that I'd like to continue the conversation is certainly waiting long enough to eat I want you to be able to enjoy the food that we have and we will continue this conversation but if you would just for the moment address this issue of the fact that what you just said now that there's a hole which needs to be filled and not by a dentist but there's a cavity that seems any of these addictions seem to be sought after in order to film but it's not going to be so minor so what is for parents I just want to tell you my greatest Simplot happiness in life is to be able to sit down with you a person with such experience in communications and understanding the community in getting the word out to the masses and being together with either Brut which is filling a lot a lot of the vacuum that's out there just a very quick idea and that is the Jewish people came and they complain to Moshe they said we don't got no food we need food we used to have in Egypt all this great stuff samosas are good gather seven the elders and let them come and they'll give Musa these guys are asking for food right they're not asking for ethical reproach they're not asking for give us moral lessons Moshe understood that if they're complaining about something physical the root the real root of it is spiritual that there is a thirst and a hunger when we will take care of the hunger and thirst that all of us have whether we know it or whether we not our souls are on fire in this world that we live in where anything can happen at any given minute and everything is all topsy-turvy British exits United States gets a new president and everybody is in upheaval about all the things that happen there is a spiritual dirt we all need to plug in to that Power Cell that gives us life that gives our people life and that will help with the addicted world because we will become addicted to Torah which is healthy and that addiction will help us climb out from every other addiction on me the name of the book is the addicted soul by our leader Goldwater Kawashima the world of addiction internet gambling drinking shopping texting and unfortunately others this is parents the IKE we're going to have our meal here at work and land by the way if you mentioned that you saw it here on his Abreu you'll get a free sangria during the month of May when I think of a double gold Walker I hope you will enjoy your meal which will have now this conversation there's a gym to be continued I'm hopefully thank you so much [Music] all right thank you so very much probably go water to a tailbone thank you Andrew thank you thank you so much again unless you brought the goods Walker Thank You Paris V I could hit the boot keep smiling keep going green lights red remember the words the pillow the rest is commentary now go and work