On The Frontlines Of October 7th with Avi Yudkowsky PART 1 (Ep. 257)

hi this is damski and welcome to the rabbi Alami show and whether you're watching with our friends over at tour anytime wherever you watch or listen to your podcast as always we're happy to have you along and don't forget to like share subscribe and comment and uh we have a sponsor this week we are sponsored by Anonymous for all the moms out there so moms and I know there are moms who uh who love to watch the show I get emails from them not all of them of course but a scattering of them and I have to say probably the most poignant one I I received was from a woman who said I'm a divorce a with a few little kids my husband does not support H he was abusive we have a very hard time and it's this podcast that helps me get through the week so Mom to all those moms out there you should know that there's somebody who's thinking about you and uh we are of course um now over a year since the terrible tragedy that took place on sheras I don't know what you call it a massacre uh an attack or what I I I can't find the words and I remember when um when everything first took place so uh uh my producer asked he says you should really do a video about the matv and I said I don't know what to say I'm still stunned there's a certain there's a certain um point where there are no words you don't know what to say Martin Gilbert and his book uh called Holocaust where he tried to document as much as he could he speaks about one ghetto where he's describing a horrible scene I'm not even going to share it with you because uh you know those who are screamish sensitivities will not want to hear all the details but and he says people were crying and screaming until there were no more tears and there was no more words that's the way the person who witnessed this described it and um and I uh that's how I felt I mean as the story began to unfold I mean I'm sure whereever you were I mean certainly here in ell it was a whole different experience cuz for us it was s and there we are here I was in harof you know we're we're dancing and then we suddenly hear sirens we look out the window and we see explosions everywhere we can't understand what's going on it's it just and uh I was by uh we were doing s by Greenwald who has been on the show and uh his son is one of the AIDS to the to one of the commanders and he got like an emergency call come now and uh we knew something was up but no one knew what it was there was a a a fog of confusion and uncertainty that was taking place um which for us it was y if we weren't turning on any news or anything like that you know but we saw people being called up we we knew we saw the explosions we know something's going on you know the extent of which we could not possibly imagine and for most of us we still cannot possibly imagine because we only hear rumors of rumors of what took place um my uh my son-in-law who is in the division that is there to collect the dead in the Army butash at the beginning there weren't that many soldiers that have to be collected he wasn't going into into Gaza but he had to go around to the communities and collect the dead it was an absolutely horrific situation so I thought it would be appropriate as we look back now now that we have a chance to catch up breath sometimes you need perspective you know the kazal say about Kaneka it says you know if they tells the whole story my Kana tells the whole story of Kaneka and after it's over it says and the next year they made a yff they didn't do it on the spot they had to wait till they got some perspective to understand where everything went so now that we're a year later we're going to attempt to uh get a little bit more perspective and we are honored to have with us on the show uh AI owski who is as it happens not because of that but as it happens the brother of our producer and um uh and he has agreed to come in and to share his experiences with us and so AI welcome to the rowski show welcome I was happy to come in now agree you know you don't get paid for this okay I just my pleasure no told me that anyway uh so uh you were there right in the front yep okay so let's get a little background all right you live in padv gadv gadv right near Jerusalem right um how far is gadv from Gaza uh hour and a half Drive about hour and a half Drive hour and 20 minutes when I drive right now you're you're living at home you're still single yeah ladies I'm just putting it out there okay now it's up to you I don't want to hear about the sh crisis okay I don't want to hear about it now it's your now it's a you problem anyway but uh and uh and you decided to get involved in hatala yeah I like you could see I can't I can't sit much um so when I was around uh that's going be a problem for a podcast cuz we can't really do action really long but I'll try to I'll try to be able to I I'll do my best you know somebody said to me once as I often point out the fact that I have ADD and they said you're lucky I have ADHD I'm the one I was the kid who got beaten because we were jumping around the room you they used to just sit in the back of the classroom and you go you know the D D D D D DD yep you know what ADHD stands for remind me attention deficit hey Donuts anyway okay that's my Gans offered me that joke so I I give credit what creditors do yeah so you got Sola yeah when I was around uh 16 years old already I started uh going to the headquarters to help by the beginning I was closing envelopes um helping get emt's uh ticks ready traa kits right uh just helping with whatever they needed um and it was something that really interested me it's something that I really wanted to do um are you in EMT now now I'm EMT when I was 18 years old right away I started a a course when I was 19 on my birthday I got my unit my my defibrillator and I started going on quills um and I volunteer now for four years by now so what are you qualified to do medically um I'm not a paramedic I'm not a doctor um but I could still I want to know what you're not qualified to do what are you when you pull up in your H besides saying I think he's dead what can you do if he's alive then there's a little bit for me alive yeah um so there's a little bit I could do um out on the field besides that I also um can you resuscitate somebody do the heart thing of course um that's what we yep having a heart condition I can tell you that that's something I I look for in I hot tell M right uh do you do the paddles do the paddles shock people uh yeah I have a defi lther in my car and I used it more than once wow um I volunteer I go and calls only people are having heart problems like you don't just do it for car accidents yeah everything um you people back to life they were out and you brought them back you got a heartbeat it was him not me but yeah but you got the defibrillator so you always make sure not to hold the guy's hand when you're doing that yeah all right so you can bring somebody back from the dead you can you can resuscitate them you you can you know staunch wounds and stuff and kind things yeah okay so those are those are impressive things right okay yep so you're in hatala and how often do you find yourself in like serious situations uh I go almost every day on a between one to three calls um it happens uh I work at night usually I'm a DJ I go to weddings usually B Mitzvah parties um so usually in the morning hours are more available um so a lot of times I do shifts on ambulance sometimes I go volunteer in the dish patch center now how often are those like serious calls with his like life-threatening situations um I would say one once a week depends it's very different sometimes there's three in one day and sometimes there's nothing for a month it's that doesn't make you nervous like here's a guy and I have to try to save not nervous it's a to help someone yeah each one is good in something else and that's that's what hasem gave me to help people okay so now it's yeah so the whole week before uh like I said I'm a DJ and I go to par these I was having fun the whole week the whole suus um busy time yep and for seven my really good friends came to me for shabas y um shabas night we went to sh we were dancing with the safer TOA having a lot of fun right came back home had our chabas meal we played poker till 4:00 in the morning sure it's a Minun Min yeah um and I went to sleep really around 4:00 in the morning and my brother who's in the Army got a phone call at 7 o'clock from his commander and told him that something's going on and he should get ready he was home he was home right so the first thing he did is he came to my room and he knocked on my door and he woke me up he told me there's a war down south you should they said it's m a war they know that's what his Commander told her yeah so I told him that I really don't want to GA for Shakur so gave me my blanket back and I turned over and I went back to sleep um and he came around 20 minutes later and he told me it's serious get up uh so I washed my face and I called The Dispatch Center I asked them if they need help in the Dispatch Center if they want me to come help them where's the Dispatch Center in your CH I am around 15 minute drive 20 minutes from my house you don't have an ambulance you don't keep an ambulance I don't I don't drive ambulance I have my private car that I go on calls with um and I know that every time that there's something major there's something big so they need people to come to the dispatch center right cuz they're they need more people so I right way I called I called I called them and my friend answered me I asked him do you need me do you need me so he told me if you could come here but if you could go down south go there they need you over there much more take your car go straight down without an ambulance um so I think that that's a second that I understood that it's much more serious than what I thought um and I right away I called the first thing I did I I got dressed I washed my face and I called um my friend who lives right near me that I knew he had an ambulance for Yanti um so I called him and he told ambulance we're going down to Gaza yeah I asked him I told him ABY are you leaving so he said uh he knew about it already he knew about it he got a right the away the Dispatch Center called everyone with ambulances to start going down sou so he told me yeah I'm by the entrance to give a Zevon fast so I took my bulletproof vest my helmet and I drove to the entrance I parked guys have bulletproof vests over here in Israel yeah how often do you find yourself in a situation where you need a bulletproof vest um not much but in Israel it happens and it's not every single volunteer here has it but the around yush and even in yush and places where there is terrorist attack then they give the volunteers a bulletproof vest and helmet that my son-in-law told me he went down most of the people didn't even have vests right they didn't have enough vests for people they were raising money in America to buy vests for the Army which to me says wow that's really unprepared you know it's it's unprepared no one was was prepared for what happened that day this was complete shock there was no chatter or anything that some us the volunteers the EMTs that sometimes like uh think about what's going to happen or go to all different places to try the to try to think uh what we're going to do when something big happens we never thought something alcohol poisoning was the most you can imagine on by the kidish um yeah so you hop into the ambulance yeah and we start driving down south um at that point I have no idea what's going on um but I know that I'm going to help whoever needs help so where did you start to sense that there's something going on like where did you go where you said uhoh this is not normal when I looked out the window when we got there how far down like how far out um we were a little bit before um there's a very big section that's about an hour and a half Drive uh hour and 10 minutes yeah something like that so you're driving for an hour yeah and when we get there the dispatch tells us on the radio that a little bit before there's a big section it's called he said that at this point it's the furthest Zone that he knows that is okay and there's no terrorist there so every ambulance or every volunteer that's on the way down south Waits over there till they know more what's going on and where could we go to so in the meantime all the fighting all the thing killings going on and how many ambulances are parked over there when we get there at that point there's uh two or three ambulances that came one of yeah um and we didn't stop there of course uh we continue the you of course as if right as they're telling you do not go past this point because they're terrorists who are shooting and there's an active war zone and you say well of course we didn't stop over here cuz after all we're civilians in a hula ambulance without any any weapons why shouldn't we go down into the war zone that's what you're trying to say no I'm trying to say that we left did the other two ambulance say are you out of your mind yeah they right the away went on the radio and they said the disp out of his mind someone shoot him yeah kind of so the Dispatch Center Right Way called us and he said ambulance 54 Where do you think you're going to so we told him that there's a SWAT team with us and they're they're watching over us and we're going to take some uh people injured there's no SWAT team there was no SWAT team right and there was nobody there was no army or police blocking there was a police car blocking because they didn't want more civilians going in there um but they didn't stop you no we just went right right through um um they see an ambulance so they don't really ask they know they understand that each in your regular car you have one of those little hatela lights right yeah right do you ever use it when you're not on a call no you can tell the truth here there's only 20,000 people listening nobody nobody's going to rat out so you just go right past the cop yeah do you know where you're going we have no idea I don't know the South I don't I was never in that area I think before um I had no idea how it where I'm supposed to drive where you never made it actually into Gaza right no no just the in the are at that point that's the ways and the Google Maps weren't working cuz uh Israel just closed the GPS or I don't know what um so we just had no idea we're just driving towards Gaza we had no idea driving don't know where you're going or what's happening until we got to to the to zro and we started to see where we are stot they were going through the streets still at that time shooting people as I remember reading right so you show up with your ambulance and there's gunfights going on uh we hear the gunfights we don't see them at that point uh we see all the streets over there are full of bodies um people Everyone um people de every single car there's between two to three four five five dead people inside how many cars were like shot up to too much to count um you just drive a few camet and every 10 12 15 20 M there's a car that's with dead people inside and sometimes it's a bik someone who was riding a bike um sometimes it was just two old people who went for a walk um and you don't even have time to to to think what to do with them cuz uh there's no wound did at that point um till we started driving towards the air and uh all of a sudden this uh police car comes towards us and he screams what are you doing here he screams to no he screams give us a stretcher give us a stretcher we have someone injured in the car so we ride away we take out the stretcher and we so he was happy that you decided to of course every every single person who saw us that day was really happy that he saw us he didn't understand what we're doing there but he was really happy to see us cuz every person that was was injured we helped them get out right so you saved someone a civilian who was injured in a car yeah at that point we took a girl that was injured by the Nova Festival she was uh the police car Brew her from the year um he was just trying to gather out right uh she was hit from two bullets um and they were waiting for any medic doctor that they could see on the way wow um until they saw us we put her of course the ambulance and we started driving back towards to give her to to ambulances waiting there yeah so you to come back um the truth is that on the way there all of a sudden this car comes uh drives we're driving on 100 miles per hour he's driving on 120 um and he just stops right in front of us and he doesn't let us drive so we the crew that was with me Avan Emmanuel they take their guns out they were we were scared it was terrorist um and all sudden they scream take out the stretcher take out the stretcher and they give us another 25-year-old girl that was injured um so you have room in the ambulance for two people there's really there's room for one uh but we put her on the cheer and the second girl we put on the stretcher she was hit on both of her legs also from bullets um and we took them both to and gave them to other two paramedics to that took them to the hospital and we anybody else at this point at the to might say hey they're going in maybe we should go in too um I don't know what they were thinking we didn't have time to ask them to come in no one came with you nobody came with us right so then you go back to St um there were people that did want to come in I know it now not at that point but that there were more people that wanted to come in but the guy in charge over here of Y his name is Aaron he was in charge of all the ambulances like every time we we came with injured people he told he told which ambulance should take him to what hospital hey stop you guys anymore he told everyone that no one's allowed to go in and he knew that he do he it's not going to help him to try to tell us that we can't go in cuz we're going to go nobody go in if we lose Kowski we lose him that's how it goes we're prepared to take that risk after was he by the around 3:30 4 :00 in the afternoon then really uh Avi the driver in our ambulance went to Aon and he told him we need more ambulances so Aon told him that he's not going to go tell anyone's wife that right his husband died because of something because of my decision and he told him that because this is not the Army this is a volunteer ambulance system break their leg right they're not there to go into a war zone they're not train for that right and uh and he AI told Aaron that people are going to die if we don't go in so Aaron told him that anyone who wants to go in with these guys by the beginning he told him that there's no way anyone's going in you're the only crazy person that wants to go in I'm not going to fight with you you could go in but no one else is going in and Avi went to the side and spoke to him for two minutes and he told him that there soldiers laying down on the floor that they're waiting for these ambulances um so there's no Army ambulances at that point there was no army army ambulances how was that possible um no one was ready for it sh um so Aon just turned around and he said whoever wants to go in I'm not going to stop him and right away six ambulances started driving after us so what time did you go in there originally we were there we were in you passed the the summit the first time 9:30 about and the rest of them didn't come till 3: right 3:30 yeah wow so so 6 hours you're you're you're the only ambulance in the scene uh yeah basically um at that point we just went in and out a bunch of times uh every time we took between two to eight people in the ambulance how do you get eight people into an ambulance that can hold one at that point you you could put us 80 it's it's people that are running for their lives they're they're just going to find a way to stand wherever they could even if they're sh on their leg they're just going to stand on one foot and try to get out of here um so okay so now you dropped off those first two people you go back back to stay road we start driving back towards Route 232 towards karaza basically yeah we P passed the road oh you you didn't go back into State Road it's we passed right near Theo and we passed the yeah so how did you decide where to go now cuz no one's telling you we had no idea we just after these two girls we started driving on Route 232 towards kazza and another car came with another two injured soldiers so we took them out and drove back right back in um and we saw that the two of the cars that came to us came from that way so we decided to go there to no one's directing you no one's giving you any information one in the street every person in the entire South was handling everything isn't there hot Sola in any of these towns there is volunteers that are working that are saving lives uh there's a few hella members that were shot at that point uh by the derot police station there was a volunteer that was he ran to give uh uh treatment to this policeman that was shot and while he was treating him the few terrorists shot him from the police station uh he was really badly injured um did he make it a different EMT I'll tell you a story his story is crazy uh he was high behind the garbage can over there cuz he couldn't go he couldn't cross back the street cuz they were going to they were shooting towards him so he was hiding behind this garbage can for over three hours uh bleeding he was shot in his face and shot in his knee um he took out of his aella kit a bandage he was stopping his self bleeding he was shot in his cheek um he was stopping his bleeding he was the for over 3 hours um after 3 hours a different hella member who got there Su his Su his friend shot on the other side of the street and there was a few policemen and soldiers that were fighting over there were shooting towards the police station and the terrorists were shooting back so he just told those guys listen I'm going to get my friend if you want to come with me come if not just don't but I'm I'm going to get my friend in the middle of a gunfight yeah so he just started running towards him um and three police policemen ran together with him while they're shooting towards the police station they ran to him they pulled him back to the other side um and this other atella member that was okay um he put him in his private car and there was another injured policeman over there that he put them both in the car and he started driving with his car to the hospital to the hospital um on the way the EMT that was injured was s laying down in the back of the car near this policeman uh the policeman was almost unconscious already he lost a lot a lot of blood um and all of a sudden he saw that this policeman is bleeding from his back he's still bleeding from his back he was shot the EMT was lying on the floor he was lying was injured yeah noticed that the other police the other policeman is bleeding from his back he took the bandage off his cheek and he put it and he was holding it till the hospital and the guy's back and they're both alive today um I could say that two weeks ago this EMT got back his motorcycle to go save lives it's crazy it's it's stories that you but do no ambulances in St Road or in any of these places no ambulances how is that possible St Road's like a city I there's there's there's bunch of they're always shooting rockets at it so you think there should be an ambulance there right there is a few ambulances but at that point um all the Mada ambulances that are supposed to be there um one of their ambulances went on a cool at 7:00 in the morning in a fakim and the driver was shot and killed um so they decid at that point that no ambulan is going out till wow everything you made it toim you didn't go over uh at that day no we W okay so you go past the road and you go to and we start driving towards karaza now what's karaza karaza is a small village um less than it's a few kilometers like three or four kilometers away from the Gaza Strip you've never been there before uh never been there before you just decided the wound came from there from there so we're going to go there to see who we could help cuz that's where the war is going on and they're shooting so why shouldn't I go there did you have a gun no okay did your friend have a gun yeah oh okay so when something happens you push him forward um I could say that the whole time we we were driving we were driving and he was holding his small pistol in the window waiting cuz maybe a terrorist car is going to come in front so it's always good to have a small pistol when they're shooting at you with M16s yeah that goes very well yep that that's what it was it's it's it's funny and it's uh but it's insane it's AB crazy yeah so you you go to AA could you you the gate was open yeah how was the gate open there were a few soldiers that were fighting inside but the gate was open wow the there were people dead all around there but so you drive in you hear gunfire everywhere yeah we drive intoa and when we get to go not in retrospect perhaps the brightest move that one might have made under the wartime situation right cuz you are not a military person right um but at this Sol volunteer who's a DJ yeah not not to put that down I think that's very important it's just this is like I think bang bang I think that at this point we all of us really didn't think we didn't have time to think wow uh we were just looking for people we could help um we drove you drive in you hear shooting everywhere yeah the the whole day from when we got there there you hear there's while you're driving on a street you're driving after a tank and there's missiles on top of your heads I would not drive after the tank that's me cuz my guess is that they're going to aim for the tank more than for the ambulance so I would like to keep myself a little distant from the tank that's what I we didn't drive after the tank the whole time because he was driving slow so we passed him of course sure um but but I mean that we were driving right near takes on the road near us um there's tanks and soldiers running and injured people and dead people and there at least they got some tanks out there there's missiles on top of your heads and and shooting is not stopping from all around you um the missiles from Gaza were Landing over in K Aza too right yeah yeah of course so explosions all around yeah war zone basically okay I I've never been in a war zone um I've said that about my house when all my grandchilden come but it's a completely different situation yeah okay so you're driving around now you looking for injured yeah but mostly you just see dead right right so when we you don't have time to deal with the dead right we one of the one of the first decisions we made is that we're not taking dead right cuz we need the ambulance for injured people and and if we're going to have someone done in the ambulance and someone injured is going to come it's going to take us more time right and we didn't come here for that we came to save who we could and uh it's not the right thing to do right even though it's really really hard but it's not the right thing to do um at that point we got someone who confronted you right uh few we took by the end through the day we did take four bodies um they were soldiers is like over 12200 dead you know like we we saw hundreds um but we took only four we decided that soldiers and policemen who we see in middle of the streets were going to take um because we knew that if their friends are going to come to fight and see them then they're not going to be able to fight like they know and like they're supposed to um so we decided that we're going to take them the first one was a soldier that we saw dead in a car we decided we're not taking him we were we're not taking Death and All sudden we s M16 right near him and we knew that there were still terrorists driving back and forth so we decided we were going to go take the gun that terrorist shouldn't take it have you ever fired an M16 in your life no okay so you're now in an ambulance a DJ with an M16 yeah what could be wrong with this picture yeah so um so we we got off we so outrageously amazing yeah we took this at M16 and when we got with the ambulance and we were standing there we looked at each other and we just couldn't leave him there um so I went around and we cut a seat belt and we put him in the ambulance and we didn't know okay well what should we do with him now uh so we drove to the entrance of zot and over there so that was it so you left Nowa with the with just the dead policeman uh no the dead policeman was on the way before the first time we got to karaza after we went back so then you turned around and brought him back yeah we brought him back went back to we started driving towards we got to the entrance of and we saw there there was a lot of policemen and uh milit that were trying they were all like getting ready to go into Karan to go into to fight they were trying to understand where the terrorists are and what the right thing to do is so we just went to the commander there we told him here first of all here's this M16 that we don't know much how they use it so this is for you give it do with it what you think is right and did he just look at you like here's some hat volunteers so we told him we have yeah we told him we have a Dead Soldier the car so he's like uh okay so so we're like where where do where should we put him so he's like I don't have time to think about it just do what you think the right thing to do is and turned around and left and while we're thinking if it's the really right place to put him we're not this car comes with two injured soldiers so we decided that doesn't matter what we think this is the place he's going to need we're going to need to drop him off cuz you took the two injured soldiers of course so we right away we took him down with a stretcher we put them down near tree over there we cover them we said is and we took these two soldiers back out to and then we drove back in towards karaza as you driving around karaza are you thinking to yourself I might die at any minute we we didn't have time we're we're the whole time we're driving an ambulance I would have been thinking about that a lot if there were explosions and bullets going on I think a lot of my focus will be I am going to die I we we really didn't have have time to think about it we like I the time we were driving tour you never went to the Army you never had any training or anything no um play some tough parties as a DJ and so now you have explosion going over place and you're like just slipping to you know saving mode yeah that's uh that's why they soldiers not to think in these kind of situations and just to act it's not that aming that you came up with that on your own that's we didn't have time for it like when we were on the way TOA that you say froma is a 15-minute drive so when we were coming back there was no one in the ambulance so we could have sit and took and try to understand what the right thing to do we didn't have time the whole back of the ambulance was full of blood so I was while I'm cleaning all the blood in back and trying to open IV kits to for the next injured people that's going to come on so it's it's you don't have time you just do what you think the right thing is the same second you don't really have time to think what should I do now what should I do after you don't have time to look at the my entire life I have I have plenty of time to think about the consequences of the dangerous situations I find myself in but I guess that's why I never worked in hella anyway so okay so now you go back to Kaza yeah and when we get into still missiles and explosions and gunfights they don't stop for a second right um we drive straight into one of the places that would hit the worst yeah after Barry it was the the worst yeah right um we drove into karaza and we drove in maybe 3040 Meers and any of the soldiers of police over there saying what are you doing here yeah so after 30 40 minutes we drove in all a sudden this Soldier came and he like blocked us and he said what do you think you're doing you're crazy so he told him we came to help people we came to help injured people so he said if you're going to drive another 5 meters you're going to get shot from an RPG so turn around the second and you can't stay here so we turned around and we drove 30 m back to the entrance ofan we were just waiting there Oh I thought you go another street so I'm coming no we waited there for a few minutes and and this different the first time I uh uh civilian car just a regular car came out with a injured Soldier his name was Danielle I remember that through this whole time and it was really hot uh we're with this helmet and Bulletproof vest were're all sweating um oh yeah it was hot down there it was very hot that down there and we put him in the ambulance he was hit from a grenade um he was full of cuts all over um he's laying down on the stretcher I'm stopping is bleeding and Emmanuel is uh saying okay let's give him IV so he tries to open uh IV and the first one didn't work while we're driving between bodies it's not not that easy um so he said okay I'll try again so he looks for the other hand he tries and a second before he tries he tells aan how long we're going to get the so he told him we'll be there in one minute so Emmanuel was holding this needle on top of this 20-year-old Soldier and he's thinking for a split second he was thinking should I try again or should I just let the paramedic do it in a minute while he's we're not driving it's going to be much easier so this guy looks at them and he says man why you're sweating and you're all stressed out I'm the one who's injured and I think that that's that's that's Amel that's this guy is injured and on the way to the hospital and he sees to find this this funny second this that's what he said that second and a minute before he was screaming from Pain yeah imagine you hit by a grenade that would do it yeah um and and I remember that I told him the way did you do did you do it or not did you put in the IV uh no we just waited and you got there and you handed them over yeah we handed them over to a paramedic that was there and we turned straight straight right back in right back to karaza yeah um on the way to karaza this time um a Hummer uh military Jeep came towards us um there was a 40-year-old laying on the hood a doctor sitting on him while they're driving ding for 60 MPH um a doctor sitting on him and cutting his chest open doing this whole uh procedure while he's getting uh blood and Medicine um why didn't they put him in the Hummer there was no room was full of uh soldiers and bodies and uh equipment um and they wanted him to lay down cuz he needed to lay down um so they just put him on the hood and they must have been happy to see an ambulance pull up they were very happy you could see we have uh cameras in the ambulance in front and in back we didn't even know about them at that point but now today when I look at all these all the these cameras and we see all the pictures you see like from 100 meters away from us there's already one soldier froming back that screams to us like this like come come come um and we take him to we put him did the doctor put him in the ambulance he put him in the ambulance and they turned around and drove straight right back he didn't keep working on his chest he said uh no he he we waited a few more seconds till he finished this procedure he was in Middle um his whole hand was blown up um we did what we could and we took him to and two months ago went to meet him in the hospital he's okay and he's fine and he's back to work hand and he told us his story right right okay he told us his stories I we went to meet so much people that we were able barem to to get out of the a how many people did you save all together gu through the whole day we took out over 60 people um and it's it's so fun to say that every person that came alive on had gone in could have saved a lot more uh yeah but uh you can't tell anyone to go in I can't I can't I can't you can't you can't even imagine what it's like to be in a situation like that but but today I I understand why I did what I did cuz I said over 60 people that came onto our ambulance every single one of them besides the four that we took dead already um they're all alive today and they probably would not have made it if you had been there they were going to make it cuz hasem wanted them to make it but but it's a it's a feeling that you know take away it's it's you feel that you did something that that that helped really other people at this big day that we're going to remember for forever um and it's it's you understand now why you did what you did and why you why you went where you went and why you didn't have time to think and why every single second over there was a world for someone else so you took him off the Hummer you brought him back and then back to uh and we started driving back and just the whole day we do back and forth uh I remember there was one time you kept meeting people on the road right on the road sometimes right um and I remember like a lot of times we I remember there was one time we someone told us that his friend is hiding somewhere and he asked us to go get him so he sent us the location and when we got there we didn't see his friend we called him we asked him where are you like we're here says oh here I see the ambulance you're in the ambulance I'm coming he was shot in both of his legs and he started running towards us how is he running with he's running and he's shot and and when he gets to us there was a gate between us um and when he gets to us we're trying to think how he should break this gate open like how should he climb it was like a 2 meter gate um by the way he climbed to the other side before we got there who was this guy uh 18-year-old boy uh that was no no he wasn't a soldier he was running away from a few terrorists and we saw his shoes he was he was shot in both of his legs he got to this gate and he just needed to run away he took his shoes off and he he just climbed over this two meter gate while you standing on the other side he's shot in both legs and we're trying shoes and he's climbing over and we're trying to think how to get him towards us to over this gate and all of a sudden this car comes and he gives us a soldier that was shot in his head um and we can't even wait for second so we tell this guy listen run back to your where you were hiding we'll come back to get you he's climbing over the gate he climbed before and now he's we're he's half a meter away from us and we're telling him listen we have why can't you take both of them you you tell me because because till we're going to break open this gate it's going to take time and the soldier every second counts so the soldier had a gun why didn't he just shoot the lock of the gate or whatever the soldier comes he's shot in his head every single second counts and we just told this guy listen run back to your to where you are hiding we'll come back to get you we promise we going to come back get you back and forth with and he ran back you see in the ambulance that he run towards us and right when he gets near the gate he can't stand already so he lays down on the floor and then we we try the think how to get him through this gate and we tell him listen we have we have to go now there's a soldier in the ambulance we have to go go back and we'll come back to get you we promise you we'll come back to get you and he just stands up and he runs back it's it's strength that you that you get from from I don't know where but you get it cuz when you know that if you don't run now even though you're shy on both of your legs you're gonna get Chas on your head and he he ran back he ran back uh we took the soldier to a helicopter that took him to the hospital and we drove back to get him and when we went back to get him there was already another seven people with him hiding over there open the gate we took we just knocked it knocked it open with the ambulance just went right through it um do you have to take responsibility for this ambulance when you bring it back I hope Ellie Beer is not going to listen to this podcast cues he know using your ambul just to smash open Gates um we knew that that we need to get there and there were seven injured people there yeah and you put them all in the ambulance yeah eight of them yeah eight injured people there's uh three chers and a stretcher um the rest were standing included us the two other EMTs um and we're just taking care of whoever we could who was sitting next to the uh driver um another person that was injured um he was shot in his arm um and the story he told ABI on the way is crazy we didn't hear it at that point but he told us that he was doing on one of his best friend uh CPR for over three hours in a garbage can while he hears the terrorist surrounding them or surrounding them right like 3 meters away from him he hears them talking on the phone talking to each other shoothing screaming and he's doing CPR on his best friend and in a garbage can um till and he asked Avi on the way do you think there's still a away do you think he has any more chances to survive and we know that not really if this t for 3 hours yeah even after an hour but yeah for sure 3 hours um so there's not really much to do so we tell him we'll try we'll try to see what we can do and and we just let them go to the other ambulance and we drive right back in and you every single time we go in and out there's stories like this people tell us on the way also today when we go to meet some of them they tell us the stories what happened until they got to us they're real heroes like they're the this guy that was on the Hummer on the hood he's a 40-year-old he was fighting inara at from 7:00 in the morning what was he doing he lives there he lives in um so he hears theas come in he hears theas come in and he R way he runs they had their room in the in the center of the village they had their where over there there was 15 M16s for all of there there's 15 people Ina he told me he told us there's 14 people that live there that they're in it's called the it's like in every village in Israel there's a few people people with guns who get together and if something happens then they they like keep they go every day around the gate and they make sure everything's okay so they got 15 people against they're 14 people and he told me that at 7:00 they all started fighting and at 8:15 eight out of the 14 were dead it's more than half um he was fighting till around 10:00 um he killed a few terrorists and at 10:00 in the morning wife gun and he's up against RPGs yeah that's not a fair fight um and missiles I'm just saying that's what it was um he killed a few terrorists and his wife sent him a message at 10:00 in the morning that there's terrorist in his house she didn't make it she did how and the story is crazy um he started going towards his house right away he said his wife and kids are at home um um he started going towards his house and on the way a few terrorists came to them he killed three terrorists on the way um and when he was a few meters away from his house he got hit from a few bullets by his arm that blew up his whole hand and a few and he one bullet also went into his lungs that's why he had this whole procedure that cuz he wasn't able to breathe um he was he was hiding for 45 minutes till they were able to get him out OFA um but he's telling us that his wife was at home and she heard the terrorist coming in she took his two kids N9 and 13 years old she hid them under a bed and she went into a cabinet and the terrorist broke it open the door they came into the house um they were sitting on the bed that the kids were hid hiding under um amazing that these kids didn't cry they were quiet I was under a bed and there were terrorist sitting on top of it I would be yeah she they they were just staying there the terrorists were in the house for over a half hour they were just going back and forth they went into the kitchen they were taking drinks they were eating uh talking on the phone they were in the room who spends a half an hour just sitting and smoing when you're supposed to be out know fighting I would report them we need to teach them a little um and really they were there for over half hour and then they went out of the house and they started burning the house from outside she right she right away she went out the cabin it she took the two kids uh she said they had like a back door that goes into this small Warehouse they have in back um so she ran into the kids with the and they were there for over 14 hours till they got them out and and the warehouse didn't burn the house burn the warehouse didn't didn't burn she she broke a small lock that was there cuz she just needed to together in um but these are stories that are they're real heroes like it's it's it's crazy the first girl the story she went through you imagine you're making you're you're one of the 15 guy 14 guys with a gun and you hear your wife say the terrorists are in the house and you're on your way there and they shoot you up and you don't know what's happening with your wife and when did he find out that his wife and kids were okay I mean not when he was had to be after few a few days later when he got to the hospital so he's on his way to the hospital all shot up and as far as he knows his whole family's dead right right um it's crazy who could even wrap your head around this stuff that's one story out of thousands that are that day it's it's it's crazy to hear the all these people's stories what they went through that day it's every single one of the people that were in the whole South that day has a crazy story it's stories that you listen and you can't sleep at night it's it's crazy Nowa this this is a secular settlement right there's no from people here no right so what did they think when they see a couple ring around I don't know but I believe that today they think a little different than what theyve thought before it's amazing I mean you in stay Road there's there's some there's from people there too right you know but it's not what people look at that moment that moment everyone is together and everyone looks what we could do to to help I would think everyone comes to to to do what he's good at and to to do what he came to do um and that's the amazing when did shooting stop in k Wednesday night was the whole time that you're there oh which me terrorist the fighting is going on the whole time yeah terrorists are there they they they didn't feel like they needed to leave at any point Israel was counterattacking no they were hiding a lot of them and every from from the truth is inara Monday afternoon they were like was much more relaxed but but there was still a lot yeah there was still a lot that were hiding all over and every few hours all the Souther this terrorist came out from in the middle of I don't know where and started truthing towards but then it was much more there was much more soldiers already inside and everything was much more organized for the rest of the day you're basically going back and forth in karaza karaza Route 232 at night we get to the police station in zot um now why'd you go there um at one point we were in we got toara and all of a sudden these few Jeeps come come out they all have a few injured people we took three injured soldiers um they were all from three different special Israeli units um one of them was hit from an RPG his leg um one of them was hit from a grenade in his face and one was shot in his leg um the guy who was shot in his leg I didn't even ask him his name is cuz we didn't have time there's two people that really need my help um we just put in all three of them you put them in the yeah we put them all in and we started driving towards uh the hospital at that point that's the one day that's the one time through the whole day that we went to the hospital cuz we knew there was no available ambulances by by the to over there they finally decided to come in so yeah so this is after three yeah so after that when we drive with all these six ambulances to to TOA then then a few Jeeps coming out each one had a few injures so each one of the six ambulances took between three to four injured people everybody went TOA yeah they didn't go to Bei we we we had no idea what's going on around we just told everyone come came with you cuz they knew you were there yeah they were just driving after us we told them we to come cuz we knew we there people and they all had plenty of injured to take yeah we we each ambulance took three or four people to the hospital and at that point we knew they were all with us we knew there's not available more available ambulances but so we just drove one after just six of us all together to the hospital um in the M like on the way then every two went to a different hospital cuz we didn't want all to get together to the hospital um between 25 minutes to 40 minutes that's a long time yeah to be out of the we drove to the closest hospital cuz they needed it um so when we were on the way there it's about 25 minute drive and on the way there there's a story that I can't forget I [Music] remember it's the Rabbi orlovski show Torah and S ready to go the rabbi orlovski show knowledge and wisdom will help you grow lots of fun in every episode and we don't have to ride no we it's the rabbi orlovski show on Rabbi ori. 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