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Losing a parent at a young age, the
first in his family to graduate college.
Today, one of America's premier finance
professionals. This week with Curtis
Lane on Jewish Grit.
Welcome to Jewish Grit. This week we're
really fortunate to have an amazing
healthcare investor and adviser with us
in the studio. Welcome Curtis Lane.
Thank you for taking time out of your
busy day to come here.
>> Oh, my pleasure.
>> So, thank God you're high in the
investment world, healthcare investment,
but I'm sure it wasn't always a bull
peaches. Amongst the roses, there were
definitely some thorns and we like
talking about Jewish grit. Those moments
which kind of push push us against the
ropes. we got to come back and how we
come back, how we rebound and how we
succeed. If I ask you to think of one
moment where you really need a Jewish
grit to to make it out of it, what pops
into your head?
>> See, when I think about Jewish grit, I
think it's embedded in everything that
we do and it's part of our it's now
become part of our genes. But for me, it
wasn't some one event that I had to deal
with at that moment. It's an event that
affected my entire life, and that was
the loss of my mother as a
seven-year-old.
>> Wow. And that creates, you know, a
situation in which you're dealing with a
loss and a trauma and it's a part of you
for your entire life.
>> And how did you how did you come out of
that hole and successful?
>> I'm still figuring it out.
>> It's been a few years. It's been a long
time, but still figuring it out, but
it's very much a part of who you are and
recognizing what things in your life had
an impact on you. And at the end of the
day, developing grit comes a loss of a
parent. You know, you either compensate
or you don't. And if you don't, you've
got different type of problems. But if
you do, that builds in for you grit.
>> How do you compensate for such a thing?
It just sounds like a whole your whole
world collapses on you in one moment.
>> Well, you don't really know about it.
You're a kid, right? It's it's really
the voids it leaves during various
periods of your life and then how other
people fill in and give you the love and
and affection and support that you need.
But a lot of it comes on you to have to
do more than you might have done if you
had had both parents. Do you feel that
imp impacted you as as a parent as well?
>> Big time. Absolutely. And I married a
woman who lost her father.
>> Wow.
>> At six. So you imagine our first date.
We have both, you know, we both lost our
opposite sex parents at six and seven
and our first date we found that out. So
we're incredibly committed to our family
and to having a stable family given that
both of us never experienced that.
>> So you've turned something really
difficult into something solid for your
family. my family and then also you know
it's one of the areas of philanthropy
that we're involved in is that you know
it's something that we think about all
the time and you know it's part of you
and so after 9/11 you know when all the
kids lost parents um was the first time
I did something philanthropically and I
helped set up a thing called America's
camp which was a camp where our kids one
of the camps that our kids in the
northeast went to not one of the Jewish
camps more of a sports camp uh where
they went to that one of those camps
basically hosted kids from 911 who lost
their parents every summer for a week
and that at the beginning there were
bereavement counselors and others there
and it became a real community. We got
up to about 250 kids and they stayed in
now that's they've aged out of needing a
camp um but yet they created their own
social you know interactive group and
they still keep in touch with each
other. It's been very nice and then now
fast forward to what's happening in
Israel. But we did that in Israel also
with a some with a different approach
because there are so many different or
you know everybody was throwing money
and resources and ideas
um to Israel and I always knew that I
wanted to approach this issue but I
waited for it to shake out a little bit
and then I went over a couple times and
interviewed lots of different agencies
that are working with orphans and um I
went and I spoke to 10 12 of the NOS's
that are dealing in different ways with
kids of lost parents. Um, some are just
financially oriented to be able to
handle financial pressures and needs
over the life. Others are more um, you
know, community- based, others are
therapeutically based. So, I went and I
talked to all of them and I couldn't I
wasn't sure where I was going to place
my bet to spend my time and my and my
money. Um, and I ran into someone who
had put together what's now called the
war orphans forum, which is basically,
you know, given that everybody's running
around, she had the idea, let's just
make sure that we convene all the
different organizations that are working
in this area to make sure that there's
no duplication and there are no gaps
that go unfilled. And so, I've kind of
gotten actively involved with her,
helping her build the team and build out
the strategy um to figure out how to get
that going. and it's up and running and
it's been very effective.
>> Beautiful. Amazing. C can you take us
back a little? So your kid is growing up
without a mom obviously with all the
trauma and difficulty. So how do you
eventually become successful in terms of
your profession and then become more
successful and then what happened to
you?
>> You know, it's um I think at the end of
the day it's the examples that are set
for you. Um I'm the first person in my
family to graduate from college.
>> Wow. Um, my father came out of the
ghetto and did the traditional, you
know, his parents were Ukrainian. Um,
and his father died, my my father's
father died when he was 13
>> and my aunt was 16 and they lived in
Brooklyn and my grandmother was a Zafic
Ukrainian. Turns out she was pregnant
when my grandfather died and they didn't
have the money to be able to support
that child who was put up for adoption.
That's how poor they were. So my father
made it out of that environment through
the garment district just like so many
others did. Um started making little
girls clothes and got to middle class,
one might argue upper middle class in
Long Island in terms of like very much a
part of our history. Um, but he raised
my brother and I as if we're still in
Brooklyn without any money.
>> So even though we lived in an
environment that was reasonably
successful and comfortable, he treated
us as if we had no money and yet had to
work.
>> So that's what we did and we learned how
to work.
>> So you go to college as the first in
your whole family?
>> The first to graduate. My brother tried
it. It didn't quite work out for him.
>> To each their own. Right.
>> Um, what was your first job?
>> My first job ever or my first job out of
college?
>> Out of school. Actually, talk tell us
about your first job ever.
>> I remember I I I still remember it. I
was 11 and I put the candy out at the
drugstore and I got paid in candy bars.
So, my I didn't know I went to Wall
Street as an investment banker, which I
didn't even know what Wall Street was.
So, I was at school and had gotten into
a program that allowed me to do my my
undergraduate degree and my graduate
degree in five years. And so looking for
a summer job of my during the first
between my first and second years of my
MBA,
um, long story short, I said to a friend
of mine, "What do we do this summer?"
Who's in the same program? And he said,
"I don't know, but I heard about this
thing called Wall Street." And I said,
"What's that?" And he said, "I'm not
sure, but I think you do projects and
it's finance related." And I had been an
accounting major and a finance major, so
it sounded okay to me. And so I got a
job as a summer associate on Wall Street
in 1979
and that's what started my career.
>> But what what did you do that summer?
>> I whatever they told me to do.
>> Make coffee.
>> No, you didn't make coffee but you do
spreadsheets and things like that. Um
but basically you know was before
laptops and you know computers and stuff
you did by hand. You did spreadsheets
and presentations and decks and things
like that. Once you started your own
business, was it steady and gradual or
you you hit some moments where like it
made you rethink everything?
>> Well, I had, you know, there's a
generational issue about when you become
an entrepreneur. So today's, you know,
young professionals, they're intentional
about being an entrepreneur. They go to
school, they take classes, etc. My
generation was not that way, just like
my father's generation was not that way.
>> And I started a firm by accident. It was
that I had gone I had taken a step where
I left a place I've been for a long time
where I want to do something different
and I went to a smaller firm where I was
uh quickly knew I'd made a mistake. So
one of the things that you know in terms
of moments in time is how do you handle
back to grit how do you handle mistakes?
So I think the grit, you know, you can
give examples. This is an example of of
I guess grit is that I went somewhere
and within three days I knew I made a
mistake and I'd been a senior guy at a
big firm and here I was at some place
and it wasn't right and it didn't feel
right. And long story short after a few
months basically said no harm no foul
and they said what are you gonna do? I
said I don't know. They didn't know what
to do. We were both embarrassed about
it. And that led me to, you know, step
back, figure out what to do. And I was
doing business, but I wasn't comfortable
because I wasn't in an organization that
I felt a part of. And even though that
year I probably made more money than I
ever made before, I was miserable
because I wasn't a part of something.
And that convinced me to build
something.
>> At what point in your professional life
did you all of a sudden realize that you
need to become a giver or a substantial
giver?
>> That's all newer to me. Well,
philanthropy may not be, but um Jewish
philanthropy is last 10 or 15 years for
me. Um but I grew up I had my father was
you know involved with working with um
kids with um the developmentally
disabled kids which I ended up becoming
once they decided to have young members
on the board to put me on the board and
they all quit and left me with it. Um
but so I'd have been around philanthropy
in some way but where it was really
shaped is that I worked at a firm called
Bear Sterns and Bear Sterns had a real
culture of philanthropy such that
actually as a partner you were required
to give at least 4% of your income every
year. Didn't matter where you give it as
long as you gave it. And you know when
you think about that before I became a
partner I was I thought I was giving
away a good amount of money to
philanthropy but turns out I wasn't
giving the 4%. And you know, you've got
to be held accountable to it. And so I
learned my philanthropy at Bear Sterns
with mentors of people watching what
they did and how they did it. Um, that's
where I learned it.
>> And how do you decide like, you know,
where to invest your your your charity
dollars.
>> You know, you have to learn it. You have
to learn what works for yourself for you
yourself over time. And I've always had
a mix of small local things where you
can really see and feel what's going on.
like America's camp, you can go be there
and watch what's happening or my alma
motto where I was on the executive
committee of the health system where
it's a huge organization 12 billion
dollar budget and you know you have a
different type of role so it really
depends but a unifying thing for me is
I'll give money to most people that ask
for reasonable causes friends
acquaintances or things like that but
where I'm going to give most of my money
is where I can give my time and then my
time is a major part of my philanthropy
to multiply and magnify the impact of my
money.
>> So you use your professional talents to
make sure that your dollars are working
as hard as they could
>> or just mag you basically you know
magnifying what the dollars do.
>> You talked a little bit about the
orphans fund but like as a Jewish person
how did October 7th hit you?
>> I you know everybody knows where they
were. I was at a wedding in Lake Ko
Italy of which there were it was not a
Jewish wedding. was a very close friend
of ours, daughter getting married and we
were there and I'm on the phone with
Israel, you know, talking to my I have
cousins there and you're watching the
news but yet and but you have to like
pretend to be okay on the wedding. So
that was um you know it was a tough
moment for all of us. Then I went to
Israel three weeks later. So I was in
Israel in early November of 23
>> when things were still very scattered.
>> Oh yeah, I went with that was my with
AJC. I'm on um on the executive council
of the AJC and associate chair of
something but um so group of us went in
um November of 23.
>> And what did you see when you went
there?
>> In retrospect when I think about my
first couple of trips there, I came away
clinically depressed. I didn't know I
was. But it was just so tough and people
were just, you know, worried about the
whether or not Israel would survive,
right? So there's the the trauma of the
loss of October 7th, but then the fear
of what that meant going forward. And I
do believe that period before the pager
incident.
>> Mhm.
>> That from the time of October 7th to the
pagers was probably the most uncertain
period that I could ever imagine that
Israel went through. Um but that was a
tough period. I was there a couple times
during that period and it was very
difficult.
>> What makes you most proud to be a Jew?
the community and our ability to survive
and our you know to your point about you
know grit. It's how do we get here? I'm
not a religious person. I don't it for
me it's very cultural and community-
based. Um I've tried to see if I can
weave it back into spirituality. Hasn't
really worked for me but I don't need
it. Um, I've studied with some people to
try to figure it out, but you know, I I
struggle with the concept of benevolent
God that would allow the Holocaust to
happen or lose their parents. So, I
struggle with that.
>> Um, but that doesn't change my
commitment to the community. But, so
there's something out there that allowed
us to survive all these years when
everybody just wants to kill us and once
again just wants to kill us. So my pride
is survival is the fact that we can
survive and prosper in an environment
where people just hate us.
>> What would you tell you have an
opportunity to have a conversation with
a kid who's one of America's top
colleges and literally they're scared
and what they're hearing from their
professors from the students on the
college campuses is really questioning
their right to exist as a Jew as someone
that's connected to Israel. What do you
tell a student like that?
>> Fight back and don't accept it. But
every kid is different. It's easy for me
to say that. I don't know what I would
have been able to do or not do at that
time in my life. Um, you know, how you
function. I think it's a matter of just
feeling good about yourself and to know
that we've been here for for a long
time. We're not going anywhere and these
guys come and go and it's going to be
painful. But if we do the right thing
and stay with the fight, we'll be okay.
But I also believe you have to fight.
And I think too often in our history,
we've taken it rather than fought. And I
think we have to fight.
>> Thinking back um as a as a teenager, as
a child who clearly went through a lot
of challenges, um certainly not knowing
how life would pan out for you,
particularly you know, fast forwarding
40, 50 years later, knowing what you
know now, of course, what do they say?
Hindsight is 2020. But what would you
have told yourself like what what do you
need to know or maybe what would you
have corrected if you had a chance to?
>> That's where becoming a father matters,
right? is it's a matter of you know what
have I told myself but more what have I
told my kids right so I have three sons
they're adult sons and you know there
are certain things that we were very
felt very strongly about it but one
thing about you know having a successful
life it's a balance of your personal and
your professional life but that we work
hard and you go to work and you spend a
lot of time at work very you know
important part of our lives and I said
whatever you do I don't care what it is
as long as you like it. Because if you
don't like it, you're never going to put
the time and the energy in to be as
effective at it. So, I don't care what
it is, but you better like it. And that
was one important thing that I learned
is like it.
>> I agree. What do they say? If you uh if
you love your job, you don't work a day
in your life.
>> I you know, why is work a projorative
term?
>> Correct.
>> Right. I work. I like working. You know,
some might argue I don't have to work. I
>> I was going to ask you that question.
Why do you work?
>> Because I love it.
>> Great. That's fantastic. I love working
and I love working with younger people,
you know, that know a lot but don't have
the reps so that they have the
experience that matters.
>> Do you have any uh mentors that have
really assisted you along your life
either personal or professional?
>> So I had one which is my first boss who
actually was in charge of recruiting of
the firm I went to work for out of
business school and I worked then in his
group for five years um passed away a
couple weeks ago. So I've been thinking
about this. Um, I got a note from his
one of his sons and I knew his kids and
everything, but it's really about work
life balance. You know, we put a lot
into our work. We're very worried about
how we do, etc. And I was a I got out of
business school at 23, so I was like a
go-getter trying to get going and I'm
working for this guy. And he was just a
wonderful man. And I used to get
frustrated because we had things to do,
but yet he was worrying about his kids
hockey program or the basketball this or
that. and he had five kids. Um, and then
he and I would be like, "What do we got
to go to work, we got to go to work,
we're doing all this." And so the irony
of that one is so years later, he then
after I left, I I got into started doing
healthcare then, but then focused on it
a little later. Some years later, he
left and went to a venture uh healthcare
venture fund. So, we stayed in touch.
Didn't do much together, but we just
stayed in touch. And at one point, he
called me and asked me to come meet a
company with him. And I said, 'I can't.
He said, 'Why not?' I said, 'I'm going
to my son's basketball game.
>> So, a lot of yucks it right. So, it was
kind of that that's what he taught me.
>> Could you could I drill down on a little
bit because I think a lot of the people
who listen to this and view this are
thinking about starting families and the
importance of career. They want to have
financial success. How do you balance
that very delicate balance between your
family and at the same time really
building building your professional
success?
>> Well, you have to have a good
partnership with your spouse. Okay?
Right? because I think, you know,
>> so shout out to your wife.
>> She would she would argue that she's,
you know, raised kids as a single
parent. I was never around during the
week and that was just a deal and she
was, but on the weekends I tried to be
there. Doesn't mean I wasn't working or
traveling. Um, but I think it's a matter
of having a partnership to be able to do
that. But then it's a matter of just
it's your attitude to prioritize it. And
one of the things that's difficult is a
question of where you work and whether
or not they respect your commitment to
your family. So, you know, working at a
big investment bank, no one cares about
whether or not you're going to go to a
basketball game or not. You just got to
do what you got to do. And um and I
found and what happens at these firms is
there's a lot of politics and a lot of
your emotional energy goes to politics
as opposed to doing your job. I was able
to by starting a new firm My goal was
what I had to do was very pure is build
a business. I didn't have to worry about
politics. It was build a business.
>> Curtis, I'm asking a personal question.
Is that okay?
>> Sure. I might not answer it, but
>> what makes you happy?
>> Uh, it's a great question. I don't know.
It changes. Um, you know, that's that's
the you know, the goal to
self-actualization is try to figure that
stuff out, right? Obviously, my family,
my kids, my grandkids makes me happy.
work, developing the work, the making
the money obviously is great, but that's
kind of table stakes. That's what you're
that's a measuring stick. Um, which is
easy for me to say because I've been
fortunate. Um, but it's about the
development of people and them building
being a part of a community where people
are getting out of it what they need.
And everybody everybody's different and
building a team. I always tell people,
you know, I I'm big on sports analogies
and um you know, just because you're you
want to play
center
doesn't mean you can. Maybe you should
be a point guard because you're small
and fast and dribble, right? Do a price
up, whatever it'll be. But there are
different roles on a team. You got to
work it through. And I believe that
people need to understand what they're
good and bad at and to know where they
fit and to help them figure that out so
they can be more effective and make
organizations work more effectively.
>> So to someone that's starting up off
their life and trying to figure so many
things out, what's the best piece of
advice you could give them?
>> Is understand success is not a straight
line, right? That's one of the things I
think is an issue is that people look at
us at my generation that might have
been, you know, we're successful and
they say, "Oh, look, they did it." and
our kids might feel the same way. Look,
they look where they are. Um, but
success is not a straight line and they
have to understand that it's going to
have its ups and downs and that
hopefully at the end of the day it's an
upward trajectory, but there'll be times
when it'll be down and that's just part
of life and you've got to be able to as
you started this discussion with in
terms of being able to overcome it with
grit, but just accept it, deal with it
and keep going.
>> This has been extremely insightful and I
appreciate the opportunity to pick your
brain.
>> Okay. I wish you loads of success in
your professional life and your the
great things that you're doing for the
Jewish people. And uh thank you so much
for coming.
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