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the incredible backstory of a
billionaire family, one of the American
Jewish community's greatest
philanthropists and a modest but
powerful rise to success in the real
estate world. This week with Avi Shron
on Jewish Grit.
Welcome to Jewish Grit. Super excited to
be in the studio and welcome the host of
the studio, Avi Shirron. Welcome to
Jewish Grit.
>> Thank you. Thank you for having me.
>> And it's a pleasure to have the director
of Camabes International with us in his
studio.
>> Right. Okay. And thank you for making it
so easy for me. All I had to do is come
down the elevator and I was right here.
>> It's inviting guests into your studio.
So Avi, Hashem has blessed you and your
family with success in many different
endeavors, real estate and many other
things. and we'll we'll talk about that
soon. But I want you to look back on
your career, on your personal life, and
I want you to think of a moment where
you needed Jewish grit to climb out.
>> So, what jumps into my head is a
personal challenge
um when one of my kids was uh not
feeling well and had to be hospitalized
for a few days with something that uh
was not major, not minor, but it was
somewhat life-changing. He had a type of
situation that needed some continuing
care and you know you're there in the
hospital with a 2 and a half year old
kid and um those days this was goes back
20 years ago. The hospital was not the
most friendly place and there you are
stuck a young parent with a with a child
not knowing what's going to be. I
happened to have been in a room where
there was some other child patient who
for some reason was just yelling on top
of their lungs non-stop and you just
like say what am I doing here? How do I
get out of this? How do we how do what
what what does tomorrow bring? And I
remember specifically that typically I
would go out to Davin with a minion. I
would go to pray with a quorum in a shul
in a in a synagogue. Uh but over there I
couldn't. I had to stay with my child.
So, um, I was went to the corner to pray
and the only thing that I could do was
cry and tears came out and I look back
at that moment and you realize that when
you connect with God at a moment that
you're in trouble and you really feel
the connection, I was able to see
afterwards such interesting
successes with this child, with the rest
of the family because he really wants
you to turn to him. And that's why he
sends us challenges. He just wants God
wants us to turn to him and ask him for
help. And when you ask him help
sincerely. And the most sincere way of
asking somebody for help is when there
are tears running down your your your
face. Then he answers your prayers.
Sometimes immediately, sometimes not.
But he's listening. And then you're able
to go through with life. And when I came
back home and my other kids wanted to
know what happened, what's going to be I
said, "Listen, God g God gave us a
challenge. It's as if he gave us direct
instructions of what our life needs to
be from here on in. And we're going to
follow his instructions. Sometimes we
don't have clarity as what we're
supposed to do. Sometimes we do.
Sometimes when you have something as
clear as that, you know, God is giving
you instructions. This is what you got
to do day in and day out. Take care of
it. I'll take care of you. And that's
the way we live our life.
>> Let's talk a little bit about your
career. Um, at what point did you enter
your family business? So I entered my
family business uh after I was studying
uh in collal for five years. Kell is
like a post-graduate school for Talmudic
studies. But then after a period of time
it was time to move on and to actually
get into the business world. So I joined
my father's business after five years.
At that time I was living in a place
called Lakewood, New Jersey. At that
time it was a relatively small town. I
stayed there for two years living as a
commuter back to uh Manhattan and then I
moved to Brooklyn. So,
>> did you go to college?
>> I did not go to college.
>> So, how does a guy who had zero, you
know, professional education walk into a
large real estate company in Manhattan
and find his bearings? So that's a very
good question and I think that the way
we treat life after studying in yeshiva
and studying Talmud there's so much we
don't know and we have to inquire and be
curious about everything in order to be
able to absorb and understand the
information. We have to challenge the
facts on the ground and say I need to
understand this better. That is really
the secret to learning anything. If
somebody goes to college and they may
score very high on their studies because
they did well in history and they have a
great memory doesn't necessarily help
them because whatever they learned in
history doesn't pertain to to their to
what they're doing in their professional
career. And I taught myself accounting.
I taught myself computers. I taught
myself um plumbing. I taught myself
electric. I taught myself engineering.
And now it's 30 over 35 years later or
close to 35 years later. you know, it
seems like, oh, where did you go to
school? How did you learn all that
information? So, I went to the school of
hard knocks of the University of Life.
>> Were there moments like especially in
the first year or two, three, you're
like, oh my gosh, I have no idea what's
going on.
>> Of course, and it took and and I look
back and and it happens all the time,
even today, you know, I could get I I'm
we're involved in a uh special program
in New York City to put one of our
buildings into a tax exemption. When I
started the process, I had no idea what
I was doing. I had a friend who was
helping me along. Now, a few we're
almost into it. I understand it. I know
it. I know what they want. You know,
I've read some of the documents and then
you know, you learn it and then and then
you become a professional in in your
30-year career, whatever that you've
been involved with your company and your
family's business, like with our moments
in the real estate world where like
people are like, "Oh my gosh, what's
going to be?" Because I know now,
especially, I mean, with the whole new
administration coming in, there's so
many people that are panicking. like
like you see all these, yeah, move to
Florida, etc. Like how do you deal with
that?
>> The way I tell people that I deal with
it is that I sit back and I watch God's
plan unfold and I'm going to have a
front seat at the most exciting
movie that you could ever imagine
because nobody knows what's going to
happen. And we're in his hands and he's
in control. We try to do the best we can
in order to make the right decisions at
the right times and and be proactive
because that's what he wants us to do.
But on the other hand, the result of
that is something we never really know.
Most business people never really know
what the result of their actions are at
the time they're taking that action. I
don't really believe that when um Steve
Jobs started Apple and he came out with
a desktop computer or the fellow who
started Facebook in his dorm room for
fun ever imagined that it's going to
make him into a multi-billionaire
but sometimes things happen. You never
know. So what do we do today when things
are changing? you assume that you keep
on doing what you're doing and you sit
back and watch the story and and and and
be a a bystander and enjoy it. Don't
don't stress too much over it. It's very
hard to do because stresses are natural.
So, um we try not to stress too much,
but it it it is what it is and there's
not much we could do to change it.
>> What's it like working with your father?
Many years ago, I think it was in 1999,
I traveled on a trip to the former
Soviet Union together with a very very
special rabbi whose name was Rabbi Matio
Solomon. Rabbi Matio Solomon is what
they call a Mashki in Hebrew. Uh in
English, he would call maybe a spiritual
adviser to um Yeshiva BMG baso of
Lakewood. And he was somebody who when
you spoke to him, you always walked away
with clarity. And people went to him for
all sorts of advice, life advice. And he
asked me what I do for a living. So I
said, "Uh, I work for my father in the
family business." He says, "Oh, if you
would have asked me, I would have never
told you to do that."
>> Oh.
>> So,
>> and he was a man with a lot of clarity
>> and my response was, "You have to get to
marry my father." So, I think that
answered the question. My father is
unusual in the real estate business. And
um there is a tremendous amount of
respect first of all that he has for us
and we have for him. So I'd call it
mutual respect.
>> Is it true that there's a whole
backstory of how your father you know
had a had success by finding something
and returning it. Is that a true story?
>> So the story is true about finding
something and returning it. Whether or
not that led to success that we don't
know. So the story is like this. The
story is that in must have been 1973 or
74, my parents lived in a two family
home and the family was growing. My
father was able to buy a single family
home a few blocks from where he lived.
We wanted to go visit this house uh
before we moved in. Now, why did we want
to go visit the house? Because the
seller uh was an estate. An estate means
that the woman who lived there passed
away and her children were selling the
house. She was around 95 when she passed
away and her her um children were in the
70s. They lived in Florida and they were
not interested in any of the contents in
the house. She was a very upscale
person. She was a decorator for one of
the department stores. So it was a nice
house. It was just at that time 25 years
old. We didn't want anything from it.
They didn't want anything from it. And
in the purchase and sale agreement, they
wrote that you are taking the house as
is with all the contents. There we were.
My my sister and my brothers were in the
house and my little brother was six
years old. Loved jumping, crawling,
climbing. He was crawling under the bed
and he found a paper bag with a lock box
inside of it and he was very excited. He
showed it to me. I was the older
brother. So I had to figure out of
course what was inside of it. I found
some tools, broke it open and inside we
found some jewelry and some bonds. Uh my
sisters thought the jewelry was really
cool and they wore it home, you know,
these big diamonds and and uh bracelets
and they walked in the house and my
mother said, "Where'd you get that
from?" They said, "Oh, we found it in
the house. We thought it was fun to wear
it." Our neighbor in that two family
house was a jeweler and he took a look
at the diamonds and jewelries and they
were quite valuable. Uh it was worth
probably around what we paid for the
house. So my father didn't know what to
do because on the one hand um everything
in the house is ours. On the other hand,
it just didn't seem right to keep
something that's way over and above what
they intended when they sold us the
house. They never really had intention
for that. So, what do you do? So, you go
to the biggest rabbi in the northeast or
in the world at that time. Uh, his name
was Rabbi Moses Feinstein, Rabbi Mosha
Feinstein, and he presented this
question. So, he said he had to think
about it for a day or two. And he came
back with a decision that they never
intended to include that in the contract
of sale. People do they would have never
sold it. They don't sell that. and my
father gave it back.
>> Your your family and just the whole
business I think is the gold standard
for honesty.
Talk a little bit about what it means.
Is is that a big part of this of the
company's strategy of when you get deals
which are shady or questionable things,
how do you deal with it as as a family,
as as an entity?
>> We run the other way. That's that's
really what we do. And we have found
over the years that when we do things as
much as we can upfront, straightforward,
a word is a word, a handshake is a
handshake, that's that that works for
us.
>> Um, another thing that your business is
generosity is that share how that came
down from your father. And also I'm
curious to hear how you relate that over
to the next generation. You have great
kids. How do you how do you teach them
to be generous? How do you teach them
about philanthropy and sedaka? Well, the
way we teach our kids anything is
through um example. My father always set
an example of being generous. That's
that's what we feel as as Jewish people
we're supposed to be doing. We're
emulating God. One of the things that
God did for the world is he's generous
to the world. He gives every single day.
He's giving to us giving to us sunlight,
air, food,
>> life,
>> life, right, in general. And he wants us
to emulate him. So he wants us to give
to others also. So that's something that
you know as much as possible we give and
it becomes part of our culture, part of
our life, part of who we are and
it's not easy because sometimes you get
a really nice thank you and then
sometimes people are just not enough.
How come you didn't give me that that
much? How come I want more? Okay. So you
you you know that you have to just know
that you do the right thing and you
can't control other people. You do the
best you can.
>> As savvy real estate investors and
investors and other things, how do you
figure out when it comes to charity
where you invest your funds?
>> It's really about where you personally
feel that you want to make a difference
within our Torah world. We like to
support Torah as the highest priority.
And that's something that we heard from
many great rabbis. There was a great
rabbi in Israel. Uh his name was Rav
Shak. And I sat with him and my father
when I was a teenager. He passed away,
you know, probably like 30 years ago
already.
>> He was my rabbi.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And he told and he told us the first
place he gave to is the people who study
Torah. And like we said it earlier and
that's because that's the continuity of
the Jewish people. The Jewish people
need people to study Torah. That's what
holds us as a Jewish people. So that's
the highest priority. After that it's
anything else. And we give to many many
there are so many different good causes
to give to. What makes you most proud of
being a Jew?
>> The culture of looking out for other
people and that is something which falls
short when people you know don't really
feel that they are can help other people
right you could walk down the street and
see somebody fall sometimes people just
walk by and they'll let them let them
lay on the ground. I don't think that
would happen if there was a Jewish
person nearby. And that's our culture of
helping others, helping others as much
as we can. So, it really is in fact um
to quote to quote um Mayor Adams, our
outgoing mayor of New York City when I
was at one of his fundraisers, he said,
"I am so proud of you Jewish people. You
have so many nonprofit organizations.
You even have nonprofits for your
nonprofits." Which is true.
>> It is true.
>> We do. We have We have so many
nonprofits that they need help also. So,
we have nonprofits to help them run the
nonprofits.
>> We have an audience of 75 or 80,000
potential people who could watch this in
every type and stripe in Latin America,
Australia. Hey, Australia. Um, and
across the entire world. People who are
starting out their lives, trying to find
their spouse, trying to get their first
job, trying to make things work for
themselves. What's a solid piece of
advice that you could tell them from
your career, both personal and
professional?
>> Take one day at a time. And when you get
stuck, try to figure out how to get
unstuck. The
world is full of people who just get
stuck and they say, "I don't know how to
go on." In our world at least, um when
you have good people who you could call,
who you could ask a question to, who
could advise you, you could get unstuck.
Sometimes you could be just be stuck in
your mind even if you're not stuck
physically.
>> So true. And sometimes you just need
somebody to tell you, "No, you're not
stuck. You could do it. Try." People who
get stuck and they are not willing to
continue and they want to just stop and
say, "I'm stuck. That's it. The road the
the you know, the gate went down at the
beginning of the road and I and and
that's it. I I can't go anymore." There
are plenty of people like that. And then
there are those people who say, "Well, I
happened to notice the gate went down,
but 10 feet down the road, there's a
hole in the gate. I could climb through
and get to the other side." So, you just
didn't look. You're sitting there with
your blindfolds on looking at the gate
going down and say, "I have to get
across. I can't get across." Go down the
road. Turn your head to the right. Turn
your head to the left. Or ask the local
guy who knows who knows his way around.
Say, "How can I get across?" And he'll
get you across. There's there's so many
ways to get unstuck. I think looking
back at my father's career in real
estate, I think that was the one of the
things that made him success that he's
always thinking about how to get
unstuck. How do I solve the problem?
What is the problem? What is the
solution? And sometimes you have to
drill down to really identify the
problem because sometimes again the
problem can be in your mind and not a
real problem. Or sometimes once you
drill down and say, "Okay, how do I get
from point A to point B?" And the
problem is your car broke down. So
you're going to say, "Okay, I'm stuck."
But or the solution is I just have to
get up to point B or I or why do I have
to get to point B, right?
>> Maybe I have to go somewhere else. Good
point.
>> And I could just walk there,
>> right?
>> So,
>> it was a real pleasure and a joy to give
you a great vibe. Great.
>> I think uh there was a lot of amazing
insight and we're grateful for the
studio and we're grateful for the
amazing things you do for the Jewish
people and for the time that you shared
with us. Continue on success.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you so much.
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