Nusach Ashkenaz vs. Nusach Sefard Part 5 Grand Finale - Who Was the Arizal, Ashkenazi or Sefardi?

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good morning welcome everyone so this will be perhaps the last segment on the subject of nosokatv and for this segment we serve segway into a little bit of a different subject a fascinating topic and that is the identity of the arizal himself because the in his view of the development of the nusa hatfila samso understood that the arizal demonstrated the kabbalistic intentions and focus and meaning of the nusa and the some services we do not have correspondingly a somebody among the ashkenazim who showed us the kabbalistic meaning and intentions of in fact um there's a very long chuva on the shouse it was a lazar in number 23 and simon and he quotes on page nine in a footnote that some people want to suggest that the goyin mi vilna he did to ashkenaz what arizal did to the nurse of the svardim and the min has also says you know to suggest something something like this why because it's true that all the various forms of thila were enacted however it would seem from the kute hagra the guru wasn't really writing the true kabbalistic meaning he was just writing hidushim kedarko bakodesh in all mixo torah but he didn't make it that this is the absolute payrosh of the twila the way that rezal did to the nusakh of the svardhan so again the samsuffer holds that for those of uh ashkenazic descent they're required to dive in us for those of us fardik's descent they're required to domino so smart why sometimes you have people of ashkenazic descent with fired if they are mikhubalim the likes of the hafla and ramnas and adler why because we only have the kabbalistic meaning of no such fire not of no why do we only have it of no so smart because arizona why did the arizona make it understand because he was a safari because he was his father and says if he was an ashkenazi he would have made it but he wasn't an ashkenazi he was a safari but you have to notice the way that sam seifer uh phrases it and that is some software phrases it that the arizal was hayao farad not safardi he was sifarad see it does does that mean something different than asmadi if you remember the such marijuana number thirteen mem gimmel on the set on page four on the second line that he writes fardium doesn't write he's a swardy he's from the land of the sardium call you may have all the days of his life so we have the opinion of the fair that the ariza was safarad we have the opinion of his students his student that he was maharat's safar dim now today let us examine the khida the khida writes in number 21 in the shemagdollam the israel god of shama his name was great in israel fs could say ma eloysov the edge of his attributes kasa rafital and the dhamma of the atrain and you want to know the awesome power of the ari it's written in the safer image and in matsuri foreign wow that's the bombshell that that result says that the arie that the kid says from the family of the marshall now who was the marshal marshall was gloria what was the martial ashkenazi or svardi ashkenazi of course he was ashkenazi if you don't know that he is ashkenazi then you don't know nothing right now of course the the marshal was one of the great all-time ashkenazic poiskim the yamcha mai the shlima luria he's buried in the city of lublin he was the rav in lublin and in fact when mayor shapiro became the rev in lublin he one of the things that he said was here we're in a city where where great people uh presided how dare he get up to become the rub of such a city it says how to stand in the place where great people stood how how could i stand in the place of the marshall and uh basically ramirez shapiro kadak of akaidesh the way he interpreted this statement the makkah godoyla maltamoid that if you're in a place where great people stood al-tamah you can't remain an oymate you have to take it further you have to advance it you have to climb on their shoulders and take it to the next level is one of the greatest of all the acharyan and is clearly in ashkenazi well wait a second if da'rizal his last name was rabiyitzhak lauria and the marshall if they're from the same family then wait a second that means apparently that the re was not like the cipher says asvarad not like the mahram ship says may earth survived him he was an ashkenazi so it seems now it's not clear he just says i heard he was from their family maybe they were third cousins second cousins but they would come out and that this would be a very unique macholica sometimes you have mahlikis in london sometimes you could have them see us but whether someone's in ashkenazi well let's look in the chuvas of where he writes us even more explicitly you wanted to know about the custom in israel i'll tell you the following kibiarat israel who miniks farad the minogue in israel is the menagerie the hbr akaidus you shall i am dalit bhattachi there are four shuls in jerusalem um and one base america every single shul in jerusalem in the 18th century were sardine basically the truth is it's not like ashkenazim never had a shoal yeah some time ago they did but zayos destroyed it 80 years ago so basically in the mid 18th century all every single shule in yerushalayim you may ever hear of you shallam it's not in new york yoshalam is a city in israel every single shul in jerusalem was smarty so where are those are there any ashkenazim yeah there's do they make um the uh notorious house minion okay um so now the question is you're going to want to know that the charity that's collected in jerusalem is collected mostly by the sardine how could an ashkenazi take tsudaka from the sfardi's sadaqa box that's morally unethical for an ashkenazi and how could they such a thing be and you probably want to know are ashkenazim even a lot of david next to he was uh a rebbe and the disciple of the ram khal he writes in the safer hallikutim that ashkenazim inspired him you know there's the famous mahaliks in harios what's the greater oykar harim or sinai is it better to have a lot of bakias to to be a sea knight to know a lot of material or to be okaharam to be very sharp that's what robbie obama likes to say over from a pencil hershbrung that they asked for pencil sprung if the gemara says sinai is better it's better to be a bucky than to be a big lambden but the question is okerharum is someone who could uproot a mountain cena is also a mountain so let the oiker harem come and uproot sinai so yes he would if he knew where he was he just he lost he doesn't know where he is exactly right but anyway so the the ramad valley says ashkenazim are lamdanim sharp they're sharper their minds are more honed in sharp they're okayharam and the svardimar they know a lot of material they know material so the rambam is called anyway that's what he writes and he says what about the italkim the italian both ways there's falcon both of them and the people from earth israel they have both the rights they have both okay anyway um you should know ashkenazi swag so here we have black and white was there anyone greater than that re he was in ashkenazi from the family of the marshall and he divined with who this fired him the whole year how are you talking such a thing in ashkenazi he's gonna die with spiderman so don't be so you know picky you can say i'm an ashkenazi i can't down with the spider them is there anyone greater than that re who was in ashkenazi himself he divine with asparagus except for yom narayan he dive into back with the ashkenazim so this is a pella dika makhoikas sam soyfer says that rizal was svardi maram shikh says he was from the eretz haswadim and says no he was an ashkenazi and he even went back to daven with the ashkenazim on roshana yom kippur who now now who are you going to listen to so what was his uh what was his lineage was he actually his name seemed to be he had an ashkenazi name well what difference does it make what your mother is from doesn't matter what your mother needs to switch to your father so what difference the mother is maybe he won't that might be true in other words if his name was ashkenaz genazi his father must have been ashkenazi so even if his mother was asparagi but he followed the nosql of the father they say that deutsche are not germans they're polish and pollock are not polish hungarians use that name because no but he's saying this to the family of the mashable and also i can't i'm not i one thing i will not discuss anything hungarian in this year okay so um but but uh if you send the family the marshall then he had it in ashkenazi so what do you do when you have a macholic is between soy and usually you know if it's a matter of halacha especially for ashkenazim milan cipher but comes the min on the other hand is one of the also one of the all-time great good early israel interesting if you look in the church number 23 is going to be page 9 on your sheets it's in a very very big piece i guess i could have made two more sherman of it but i think we're gonna this is gonna be the last year on the subject the in the middle in the middle um column the first words are about ten lines up yi shave claw the middle column about 10 lines from the bottom gambi varav family of the marshall and his name is and that's what he writes now who are you going to listen to the khida or the sofa sir no more why leo say kara iv he was closer to there now what does it mean he was closer to there doesn't mean he was closer in time when did ariza live from 1534 to 1572. the lived 1724 to 1806. samsara lived 1762 to 1839. does he mean he was closer in time what difference does it make him closer in time he probably means he lived closer to where the ariza lived than the farm right arits israel is closer that's fast and hungary hungary is very kasha but it's uh pressburg is still further from the smash number two the illidari one of the one of the remarkable features of the kida was he was called the tire godol he was the great investigator the great traveler in fact says the uh says the salazar if you look in the prietz on shibuyas and rosh hashanah he says the irat sign that is said when you open up the aroin they found it in the saviat koche da ri on in his ashkenazic maxar the khida when he would say the words in kassar even though um even though it says in the safer khambital maybe it means it says maybe this is what arizona learned before he learned to ms he says to say the pure hawaii which is the pure of the master of ashkenazim and the khida writes in the voice of ahmed said that the ari davind anushaniyam kippur with ashkenazim by the way the pa assassin also brings that um furthermore in the siddha of the arie and the siddharap shabsi in the topic of it he says that when not read by the ashkenazim he would say when he died with the swadim they don't say he would say it at home why would he say it at home if he's inspired these fathers don't say it the answer is because he wasn't the swardy he was in ashkenazi the king it's brought that aree would only say the putin of the ashkenazim likewise in the safer shift it says that he had a dream and that rizal said and that and he saw in the dream that re was the secretary of ashkenazim so we see from here that arie was considered and sas to be an ashkenazi that's why his name was rabbi yitzhak gloria ashkenazi not er review gloria svardi and therefore this demonstrates that since the ari was an ashkenazi why would he put cavanos unto the smart descender not like the first says that that rizal corrected the svardim because he was the swardy but rather like the like the um the vikayam says and like the hasidim say that no sukhari is not no suspired corrected no sakhari is a fusion of no nazis for people whose soul is lost and don't know where they come from right we said the fundamental macho is between the nusaskana's people and the hasidim is the wild card it's a combination and fusion of all the good parts of all the nozzles and the ram so if you reject that and they say no such fire is just a kabbalistically polished version of the fila of the of the svardim comes out we have an incredible math like this that the ashkenazim say that the ariza was a safari and the fardham say and the hasidim he was an ashkenazi it's like nobody wants wants him to be them why not very passionate because everybody wants to champion their own if you're an asgan as if you're a nasa ashkenaz person so you have a big kasha if the arizal was an ashkenazi how created us fired you know why he's disparity that's how he could have no subscribers but the hasidim will want to champion they want to show that even if you're of ashkenazic descent you could still dive in fire because otherwise what business does somebody who come from germany davana the people come from morocco oh the arie you know that re was in ashkenazi they say you know he david us fired because it's the wild card so really the whole sugyo hinges on the identity of that re was that really an ashkenazi or zarya if that reason was an ashkenazi like the hasidim say so now we have araya that even someone who is in ashkenazi kazaminosar but the samsara says not true he wasn't in ashkenazi he was a swardy and that's what he made no sakhari the truth is was he asking nazi or was his father you can't be both nobody is ever both no no no the answer is probably very simple the answer is his name was ashkenazi his name was lauria your name is lauria you're an ashkenazi there's no question that ari was ashkenazi so what does aksam say for mean also very passionate theresa was a yasai his mother took him to live with his uncle in egypt so his father was in ashkenazi he didn't grow up by his father he grew up by his uncle his uncle was that really never he says he's svard what inspired me in the mahram sheikh explains with the psalms every man he lived his whole life in the land of the svardim why for the time he was young his mother took him out of eretz israel and he brought him to egypt so avada in the blood the qasim want to say that was ashkenazi of course he was but that doesn't show and doesn't demonstrate that if you're an ashkenazi you could switch to no subscribe he never switched to nosmard he was a little child and his father passed away so he went to live by the safari them that's why the first says he perfected the nosql despite them because he was fired if somebody is a yosem they grow up by their uncle they adopt that particular no so that's probably what happened there's no majoricus whether he's ashkenazi or sparty but we're going to end off with the following very interesting discussion in the state comment okay number 29 on page 16. the last sheet you can just flip over the whole booklet by the way if you want to keep the this is this is probably our last session on this if you want to keep the booklet you could keep the booklet if you give it back you're not getting it back okay but you're welcome to hold on to this okay so says this december did not have first-hand information he heard this according to this says this ahmed he was ashkenazi and likewise the rabbanaan and the lefchayim who falaji and his son the yaffa lev also says was ashkenazi but in the footnotes on the safer jaffa leif in the safe israeli he brings that the first says he was a sardi and he says right said he was ashkenazi so he says if the proof is from the fact that his last name was gloria says the save for yeshua by one soul letter that that rewrote to the marshall we're not related so you can't bring a proof from the fact that his last name was lauria because zaritaka perhaps was not related to the masha as evidenced by this supposed letter that that rewrote to the marshall that they're not related the israeli wants to prove that the ariza was svardi from the fact that arie wrote to the martial is not related pink fakert if the arie wrote to the marshall that they're not related that's saraya that they're both ashkenazim because if they weren't both ashkenazim why would that re have to say by the way we're not related why would they think they would be related if they come from completely different the fact that he said they're not related is even though we both come from the ashkenazic name luria we're still not related otherwise you should have said nakba sir now we're not related we're from different schwatten you're an ashkenazi namaswarati why didn't that rise i'll say i'm a swab the clown not only not related we don't even we're from different halaquah israel is a raya they're both ashkenazim soraya um not like the cipher feliha hedyoid bahar manasi damar says this in my opinion nera from the place that he wants to bring araya to the sam saufer that he was a swardy is a riot to the qidah that it was an ashkenazi you're from my family and that he says we're not family why would anybody think they're from the same family if one's an ashkenazi one's friday the the fact that that re said that we're not from the same families not arai was an ashkenazi there are many jews who have the same last name and they're not related so here's the upshot of this whole whole thing let's look at the last four lines of the stay hamad it is common it is frequent in the mouth of the rabbanum meaning what do the spardam say what does fire do maintain is a kabbalistically brushed up version of nosoch of the svardim and if you're of ashkenazic descent and even though it was originally instituted only for people who are of great kabbalistic inclination nevertheless the balshem sort of advised that in the last generations before the coming of mashiach where people don't quite know what shiva they belong to this is an appropriate that that works for everybody's nashamah but the main thing that we started the the session with the series with are the words of the nephilim and that is the ancestors who formulated that philosoph injected into the tv tremendous kayak tremendous power and merely by saying the words even perhaps without kavanagh's hamilys the fila is very effective as long as you have cabana for the first plastic of shema and the first bracha of shema esri and the pesach sometimes person goes to sure what did i do what did i do you did a tremendous thing just saying the words of tfila they're already injected with whatever power they need to have so we hope the mushroom should be makabel all of our filos and whatever we davin and we await now when meshiach comes what are you gonna dive in it depends we said we said we said according to the um some soifer presumably those of those of ashkenazic descent will continue to dive into those of ashkenazic descent who davanos of sward mustama mashiach will be able to tell us what the cavanaughs of ashkenaz are comes then everybody will find out what shiva they belong to and they'll dive in there no saks fired the maggit says no suzmar will be obsolete when meshiach comes if you look at number 16 the likute amaram says he says the answer is if you know what shiva you belong to yo yes so we hope for the great day when el yonavi comes and we'll know exactly what kind of stiller to buy which edition which guys and uh how it started yeah well so if you want to know about who who form who formulated no sex fired um i don't have first-hand information but what i was told was that even the bel-shem himself and they found this the sudarm of the version of probably and he had on top the cavanus of the arizona top now the kavanaugh said that re were not always consistent with the traditional no sukhras so it developed that in order to follow the the pattern of the the model of the baoshem certain things were manipulated to fit into the so to speak develop different ways of doing that but um i what i'm told is that the basham did not officially institute have a great day you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com