Nusach Ashkenaz Vs. Nusach Sefard and Who Was the Arizal Part 3

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good morning rabbi sai welcome everyone broke my bomb to the agar du pirka here in kugan hills new york so we are on um our third uh section our third segment of the subject of the nostrils and uh the subject will also discuss the egos and the ancestry of the and last week we learned the opinion of the sofa and that is basically the surfers of the opinion that no ashkenazi no are basically the same what's the difference between them again we're not talking about let's try to be clear we're not talking about uh as of yet we're talking about for ashkenazim so learns that ashkenaz and us fard are basically the same so what is no suksmart so the sam surfers of the opinion that if you look at nusakashkinas since we are not expert in kabbalah we really don't know what the thfila accomplishes and how it accomplishes that you need to be on a very high level of kabbal to understand the process of the trilla and the procedure of the thwillah and as of some soifer writes our main kavona is that the trilogy should do what the ancient nessa's abdullah program that should do like we saw in um velocinator and as we mentioned the vilnigan writes this explicitly that the icker kavanagh is to unleash the words knowing the meaning of the words is not the definition of kavanah the definition of kavanaugh is to be mahavin to unleash the words which have inherent power so what is nosward says some well the ariza was a safari and because he was a safari he was most interested in his nosak which is and he took the nusakh of the svardim and he demonstrated how the nusakh of the svardim has kabbalistic power and how it operates kabbalistically why didn't he do it to no sakashkanas not because no sarasota doesn't have kabbalistic secrets and it doesn't accomplish the same thing it does accomplish this thing but he wasn't an ashkenazi so he had no interest in demonstrating and no sakashika is what no accomplishes and because he was a safari he was more interested in the nurse of the svardim to demonstrate its kabbalistic power therefore says if you are an ashkenazi why would you not die i but you don't understand exactly how that filo works kabbalistically neither do i says i'm safer for simple people like me we don't really understand the kabbalistic underpinnings of the tv therefore we continue to dab in the nose that our ancestors have davin from the day the temple was destroyed says and for them tadav and without having an understanding of the power of the kabbalah that it has would be for them very disappointing they are authorized tada venus fired what is no suspired basically a fine-tuned version of a dosha mizrah okay that's how the thumb suffer learns it but if you're not in a cobol you should have a nosotros okay then last week uh we began to learn the statement of the likute amaram likutayamaram it was number 16. was kutyamarum is known as soifethevoicedove revdoif bearer of mezrich known as the magid of mezrich as we have in number 14 the likute with deutbear of mesut maget one of the founders of hasidus and he advanced the following rule and contra distinction to the sofa not not that no svard is a fine-tuned version of edus hamishrach no not at all if you look in sephirah you'll find that when they came to the temples the temple there were 13 bowings that were in the mikdash in fact there's a mishna on shkalim and number 15 paragraph they bowed down in 13 places in the mikta shall mala and this is alluded to in the navy skill park there's one gate for ruvain one for shimane one for levy and so on and so forth now we know there's a rule that if there are 13 gateways down here in the mikta show mata then the mikta mala is there there must be 13 gateways up in shamayim what are these 13 gateways there are 13 ways to access the rebin islam through tzfila why are there 13 why can't there just be one the answer is every shaived has their sharish hanoshamma their nature their spiritual dna their spiritual character and they're for a different way of connecting with hakadosh and technically then each day that has their own so you should say then there should only be twelve gateways because they're only twelve shavating no the arizal revealed that what does somebody do if they don't know what shiva they belong to what if you i don't know if i'm a benjaminite or a yehudite or from zvulan or so on and so from isakhar or i don't know the bukharians say they said they're from ruvain and the ethiopians say they're from dun and the banaya saskar said he's from and most jews are from what are you doing i don't know where shaven i'm from nobody told me what do you do if you don't know what shiva you're from sarizaw said you should have another why no is the wild card not the fire like that some suffer says that some that the ariza came along and showed the kabbalistic secrets and power of no such and he just tweaked it a little bit to create a kabbalistically fine-tuned ver uh no for spardim no no saxford is a wild card for all jews who are lost or by saying what um or you say but i know what shave it i'm from or if you're a found jew but you don't know what the nusukh of your tribe is let's say i know i'm from zebulun but we don't know what the shivers wonder is the key to get you into any doorway it doesn't matter who you are it doesn't matter what type of soul you have what kind of soul power you have no suspicion is the wild card no for all lost souls or found souls that don't know where they belong to or what the shave it is now when meshiach comes so you say what's going to happen to those oxfard we're not going to use it anymore because we'll know what shiva we belong to that's the version of the khasid that's the of the khasid so they do know what shiva they come from but this is going to be part of what the soy for asks would say fine so you say what is it exactly we don't know what it is so we all so in other words for jews who don't know where they belong or they do but or let's say uh a levy milhas right what's it oh again for sure and divine society i don't know what for some reason didn't want to say that you know um i don't know i hear it yeah ah we'll see i don't know well that's also a pella what according to this according to the hasidim what is nostrakashkan as which shayvette do you come from i come from ashkenaz which one of yaakov's sons was that ashkenaz one was one of the people of canaan not one of the vinayaka but that's what the market says so as we began to yeah that was different from all the other twelve yeah completely different than all the other in the slides i would say what what would you say what is michael or mahmoud or oswald michael i would join them uh they're michael you said you you have that's one of the bonuses of davening you get to eat kenya's but there are other bonuses also you get to wake up early the whole month of ello you know okay so those are other bonuses okay let's yeah because but are there difference the suckos in in spark like yeah there are iraq and vocal yeah sure the only problem is that we are not aware of any nusuk for any tribe the words the word the letters foreign that's another important subject you know that's another important subject okay that's what so so for some reason ashkenazim loves to think that tehmannam have the most authentic and ashkenazim don't have any self-confidence in those so today we're going to hear just the opposite i'm here to give you some confidence in your roots not to have a chip on your shoulder that only tamanim have the authentic uh okay what in this show okay i'm well aware okay fine so let's continue the let's we're going to see a number 11 and number 11 the third paragraph so let's see what the sam soyfer has to say about the whether he agrees that nussosward is a wild card says this is probably the most important thing we're going to read on this subject if we ever get through it i'm like this um that which you the questioner bring down from okay we're on page three number 11. the third paragraph he says the first thing is we don't bring that safer into our show okay okay we don't have it because even in gutamodli and in the poiskim our life our life blood the lifeblood of a jew is not the kabbalah it's not the suffering hasidos it's not the hummus it's not the naveem it's shaa sinpoinskim so first of all i don't have the book second of all i don't know what he's talking about the nurse of sparta is for people who are lost right that's the premise of the likute alikutayamaram and surfer is going to proceed to reject the masrita maggid's take on us fired for five reasons and this is the crux of the suggest number one in kane hakaihan in vallava wild card and i know i'm a coin or i know i'm a levy how do you dive in so we sort of answer that question by saying i know i'm a kai nora levy but i don't know what the no of the kahanam or the vm is but part and parcel of some surface question is why don't we know i don't understand we've been kaihanim and levine since the base amigdas was destroyed that means when the basement was destroyed we were dominating the sukhlavian what happened to new sukhlavian you know what samsara means to ask there ain't no such thing as 12 different nosqlise for different tribes because if there was then all the kahanam should have some remnants of the kunusuk of kahanam and the vimshaven bukhari and should have no such ethiopians but nobody has anything of that you know why because this whole idea that there are 12 gates in heaven is uh we don't buy into it it's kabbalah i don't know what it's talking about we don't bring those books into the into the besan matters it's not part of kiheim when did people no longer know what shayvette they belong to in the times of the gemara the only people knew a chiva they belonged to is kaihanim leviem and base rebbie and then aseam who came from um that means what no david in the times of the gemara according to the mesut right so basically it would come out that according to the khasidim what are they david in times of shas no so smart so how did it happen that every single ashkenazi was not davening the nusuch that they dive in this manchester uk you know why because muslim fire didn't exist back then we are no such existed no so smart is a new nosa but according to the mezucha magid that if you don't know where you come from yadav inspired that means klaus they've been dominating inspired for generations so where did sakashika has come from for ninety percent of claudius until 50 years ago sometimes the answer is this is not an accurate historical account of what happened that's some service consciousness question number two question number three he says after this other nurse there was a man by the name of rebel eliza aguado you ever hear rebels regardless of elizabeth horconus much shall be once went up to shamayim and he heard them having a discussion about the para dumas valdega swara this man saying what's his name rebel azer moshe said i want him to come from me. so hashem said no problem so for blessed van hurkiness came from musharrah that means their blessing and hearkeness was what a lazy you know the story in tainus in number 12 there's a story of lesser decree 13 fasts and the rain didn't fall then the the people uh decided look if our davening ain't working if our dominating ain't working so then let's leave why should we stay in show for no reason let's go home and dig graves for ourselves because it's going to be cheaper that way than have to buy from the cover kadisha we'll dig our own graves and the rain fell that's the first second story of lazar went before the ahmad he said 24 broadcasts what happened nothing garnished helping rebbi kiva then went there i said avina volcano and it started avakasha ravi kiva came from woodshavit yeah so he's dabbing what no subscribe how could i be akiva be the shelter they're dabbing different nose clothes how could you keep it we might see him must be no so as far as we don't do it because otherwise says of some software how could rabbi akiva be the cousin for blessed good point you'll say you know how he could be a cousin because he wasn't saying anything that it makes a difference between us for for uh for that matter maybe it never makes a difference even if even if i do hoidoo and you do shamar well he might see me maybe no i'm sorry for feels like this then the world of the hasidim they hold that if you don't know what shavet you're from you can't get in the door unless you use the master key and if you know what you say that you're from you can't get in the door unless you use your key i mean that's the analogy so if i have a house and i use the wrong key i ain't getting in unless i use the master key so if i need to get you in and you're not for my shave at some service says if this analogy is correct that it's a matter of getting into different doorways i can't get you in if we have different souls so we'll see the vechain will say don't take don't take the analogy so seriously we weren't that serious about no safari it means it's a master key but you could still get in different ways the doors are really open okay but the tsam surfer says you know if you're going to give me the analogy i'm going to take it seriously next question so and i suppose anyone could come in and you know bang down the door i mean when the fireman comes he doesn't use a master key he just bangs down the door and 500 other ballet choices no they were in france they were in england but they they were yeah the um the marami rotenberg the rush the tour kula mespal ashkenazis they didn't know what shiva they came from so i would ask they did rashi knew what she would he came from rashid gave him allah okay some server says maybe not all the ballet toys just knew what chevy that they come from and says of sam soyfer i'm pretty confident that felis worked but according to the bear if you don't know what what shiver you come from you have to dive in the socks fire so you're telling me rash you didn't have the right key that's question number four and then became a roof to another museum and they changed so we're going to see what the rush did the raj had was the tamara marami rothenberg and he had to run away from from germany to spain and we got to spain he wanted the spanish jews to change their nasa right and they didn't but neither did he no no no look here now the server talks about this he says that the re chose his piyutim on rosh hashanah on yom kippur because they are basically based on kabbalistic formulas based on the pattern of rebellio and he himself shivanagar david and going from who the siddhar is based on he lived in magensa and i saw his kever and the author of nisana taikef um didn't work therefore says some surface follows you ready for this the zealous showing harassed but brought in the basif and your deception and pepes on the sumanim of ice the rash was then in spain and tortilla in toledo i don't eat based on their messiah i don't follow this fardham's messiah can you max the commissar now why do i follow our kabbalah and not the kabbalah because the kabbalah of the ashkenazim is better the kabbalah's the traditions of our forefathers of the ashkenazim torah yerushala that their torah was a yarshand and bequeathed to them from their grandparents mime-hachorban all the way back to the corbin the so if you say well i'm a safari i don't agree okay you're entitled not to agree but i don't want to hear an ashkenazi say oh aspire them have a better messiah it's not true we don't believe that we believe we have a better messiah say come on we should all believe we're equal no we shouldn't that's there's a george orwell wrote a book called right no we believe what some are more equal than others what do they do what did no no ashkenazim do believe in god okay ashkenazim do believe in god why did they take it out yeah so gemara talks about that that the were moroccan but the rash says very sharp lines that we believe we have a stronger kabbalah ah so therefore says of some soifer every word of the likute amarem of the maggid the safer awesome it's a sealed book we don't know what he's talking about say what you're not going to believe in the magid says i'm sorry let me tell you something what you need to believe in what you don't need to believe in he says the ramban writes to believe something that's not in shas yeah but we found the right so if it's not in beverly you shall me or matters if you want to believe in it you could believe in it to believe in it if it's found in shasbabli you shall me or a madrish believe in it to believe in if it's not found that's a different story have to believe in it but it says i'm serving this safer it's a nice book i don't bring it into my base matters and i don't have to believe it ah so now you'll say well in that case this whole business about wearing uh nusselt was insisting that people do not wear linen garments to daven for the ummah because no such fired was laila mikol so it says samso very agree if you're going to dive into no substrate you should only wear linen but not because it's the exact same thing as ashkenaz it's just from akubalim who want to understand what they're doing and if you're not a makobo you'd have no but if you're going to dive in with hasidim you better wear linen why not you know why do you want to close if it's bad enough he says we have to deal with reform now we have to deal with fighting with hasidim then you wear the linen garments that's the some sofa does not buy international start doesn't accept it if you're in a couple he accepts it if you're in a couple and you want to understand the kabbalistic powers of tv then uh you lived in uh in maine's right so he's one of the ballets so this whole uh is really about a particular time in a particular area i mean it's relevant to today as well well one of the proofs though is what the rush writes that the mesoira of ashkenaz dates back to the corbin and and the rush says therefore their tradition of ashkenaz is more authentic than tradition of slide you could ask him but that's what he said you know you know that you know in in my shiva so the russian the russia shiva would say like this that when the rush says the words li nira it's stronger proof than if the rash says why because if you would say if he would say it's then it's only mukha nakamura but if the rush says the lean nera that means saying based on everything that i know i feel so you know how does he know we believe the rush wouldn't say it unless he feels it with every fiber in his being but okay maybe fardham don't agree with that there's another what it's the opinion of the rush yeah but in terms of what uh 700 years later davening ashkenazir is fired sometimes we're saying why follow the market of ms rich when i have the words of the rush the rush certainly would carry a lot more weight than the magenta okay so this is the opinion of some cipher as we mentioned the hasidim hold no no so far is the master key so today if we have any time what we're going to try to do is see the rebuttal of the hasidim to the questions of safer okay and this is primarily found in tusvaram and and number 17 and also in the shouts of the men but we're gonna we're gonna start with number 17. what no because even if some server would concede that if you are a makavo you're entitled to switch to understand utilities better by the way this is not like it says tremendous ramifications let's say somebody today is about shuba they don't know but they're asking us what would the um the the magazine of message say that's so smart you don't even you don't know who your father is even you don't know what no father you should have noticed another question i grew up dabbing smart then i went to yeshiva and then yeshiva david am i allowed to switch from what my father darwin would have said of course you could switch you're an ashkenazi why'd your father switch to nasal swearing but what if um what about if you started off in uh davening in uh young israel and then you went to khasi where they're down sorry could you switch this fire according to some cyber no and now you go to i want to switch to smart i have an affinity can i switch to aspart see them say yeah could you switch from swara to ashkenaz no so it's a major macho it's a major machis can you switch from one nostril to the other and the answer is going to be that according to according to the price game you could only switch to ashkenaz according to hasidim could he personally or the yeshiva i think he personally down in fashion yeah i think he personally dominates ashkenaz but the yeshiva is landers father yeah so that's going to be again we're going to try to give more credit to these people than they're just rooting for the home team right right so you know i'm just presenting the two uh two approaches over here what yeah to the what oh well you're saying i'm only presenting one view so far i'm definitely biased yeah we i we switched to nasa yeah we switched we'll see reminisce as a chuba yeah i'm admittedly biased on this but because i that you know that's how i see it but um let's see the dive i am okay we'll we'll we'll try to we'll try to present both views even if it's not equal he's talking about in general the minoga of ashkenaz by the way regarding that that's regarding kosher food that even qasim agreed to see them don't follow me but not anything else everything we said regarding fallow in every other area of except for the balshem didn't create fired in ukraine okay so before we see the answer the answer to that is hasidim believe that when the baal shem came along the world the world changed mashiach is coming it's exposed and he saw that that people's souls need some kind of tickle or or some kind of new direction and he changed maybe it was a hirah shah maybe he saw the needs of the time but you know i i'm not arguing i agree i happen to agree you know i mean uh ramosha has achieved whoever he says is that he says just that but let's see we'll see the vehicle yeah of course yeah the because they preceded the right okay let's see what say um yes there are differences in the muslims there are different words you want to know is there was there closer to the subscribe says like this he says one saying we have to go okay so the the the beckham is on the third line he says the truth is all the kabbalistic secrets are based on um our existence as well like it's mavor in the words of dari and he says but one thing you should know and this is also interesting no such fire today is not the same as nosakari so even though we're saying no sakhari is the aries tikkun of the nusavedo or even you're going to call it a wild carnosa it's still different than the sward there are a lot of discrepancies between nostalgia and also enough now this is a very fundamental mistake one of the great italian mekobolum the misha casino basically wrote a kit sir i believe of the it's kayem and he says on the third line here the yoda let's say you don't know if the nosokatfilo that you're saying is accomplishing for your soul hamilk shattuck of let's say like this my fam and ashkenazi my father but i feel like it's not really helping my soul now i don't know how anybody could possibly feel that but i guess you have some people they're sensitive and they feel you know what i'm not connecting then the misha's hasidum says then you should switch to the vital who had a tradition from nari who which is the twila of the svardim who is masaki in lamallah now listen carefully he says we see from the words of the mishra that that reason was not all the nusakh of desvardim but mostly mostly because the truth is even though that result says to say hoydu that result says to say about sharma like is not like no such of the smartim the nusukh of berkshire that arie so therefore the behind says it's not like the first said that that rizal just took the last fired them and he cleaned it up the arizona created a wild carnosaka some things he took from the sakashkanas and then the dive goes on the offense right and now he goes on the offense okay against who some sofa does not want to do this the last thing that the recharge wants to do is take on cypher because the samsuit for everyone agreed was robin shall call banaya even though today everyone is robin shall come in but for real rabbi about 12 lines down mahmoud abraham he has i don't understand why is not treating the magic seriously it's so he he says it's such a well-known concept that there are 13 gateways in heaven and that every shade has their own gate this is not the invention of the hasidim this is well known in all the suffrae kabbalah so why is it the samsara bengatenji you know why because it came from the head of the hasidim so some safer who does not subscribe to hasidos did not pay attention to what the market said but i don't understand how that could be how could it be that the god alhador of some sovereign did not know this comes from the aria and from the mission of hasidim and from many many other sources so he says now we go now let's get down you know out of the politics for a minute let's get down to the the technical questions one of the questions of the for was that how could rabbi akiva who was from the gay rim so if he's from germany he's dabbling no so it's fired be moisty rebels who is from levine who is dominating nusakh of the levium so to this is as follows he says i don't know what he's talking about what difference what's the difference between ashton has inspired the only difference is bhaksha mara and i do what's ruby keep us saying was there blizzard those things they're not being made to each other about shamrock what are they being mighty each other in a vino there's no there's no difference i don't understand what he's talking about how could it be akiva be mighty blessed because what they need to be mighty in was not relevant to the variousness of us furthermore says even if it was something they needed we might see if i need to make a bracha and i dive in as a new dominoes looks fired and you're going to say torah and you're going to say help me out here if it said oh yeah yeah and because i don't say another two that sat so enos doesn't make a difference what's an afghan i'm not gonna be maybe i wouldn't say it that way because i say it a different way but the second there's no difference we both said the baruch we both said the shame hashem we both said melech we both said baharavna all the critical parts so that's a matter of style you say you will you do it all in one vita to enu's and the does it in two or three who cares why would that make it that one hasn't can't be met the other cousin number three another point says who told the some software they were blessed that was a lady because moshe davent you should come from him so maybe it came from him and not sad and maybe those are those from the same shape as rabbi akiva how do you know that that revlon is a lady even to begin with now says i would never challenge anything that surfer said who am i to challenge the words of some sofa but i don't understand one word you want to change from ashkenaz to svard of course you could change from ashkenaz to smart either seems to ignore the maggot and shrug it up from five questions i don't understand even one of his questions well how could rabbi kiva be my sir blaster agado maybe they're the same shea bed anyway it's uh there it wasn't relevant to the particulars i don't even come i don't even understand his daily chatter i'm just telling you says the tradition i have from my rabbayim who are all great makubalim and so on and so forth let's just end off today's sheer by reading the last chapter of the last parrot the last uh paragraph of the dive chain again this is number 17 on page six software design cloud lefty devray which is what by the way no asking us right you should dive in while your father dies he's talking to ashkenazim he's uh right he's talking to ashkenazim he's saying you should diamond what your father that why because mustama if your father david that's probably the shape that he comes from so one of the questions of sam seifer was but rashi and toisis and and the re and the they all died in those but they didn't know where they came from so they should have done so far no even though they didn't know where they came from but since their messiah was that must be the the achievement they followed they were massively minigably okay so here listen to this the hasidim concede that no ashkenaz is the no such of the shaver be no sakashkanas belongs to the shiva of ashkenazim aye so what did the arizal do rak the mishnah they were makadesh that if you don't know in your soul you're shyresh meaning like this i know an ashkenazi but i don't connect to no sakashkanas so then change and dive in the wild card then roy leches now the high noob of never meant that the average person should have enough fired they knew the average person has no clue whether they resonate with or not they just say the words the ari was only talking to miku balam well wait wait wait rak davar of kennedy good day sadiq that sadiq the rabbis knew that they don't connect with no sugar so they could switch because very often you have various nashamas mixed in for those who know dejan absolutely if you're a regular guy davening in a regular school and they're dominating continued but what if you're a guy who you know what i don't know if this is working for me you're a holy guy then you dive in the nose knew that ashkenaz was working for them as rashi was a great makobo says of the rehab like we find in many places rashi reveals the 72 different names of hashem and rabbi no tamizumo and all the bites from the quebec and the smog and the reme orleans like we know from the two women they knew listen to the resharing them didn't dive in ashkenaz just because you know well uh we come from germany so without asking us do we showing them felt and average people will continue to dab and ashkenaz and the rishonim probably knew that most people came from shiver ashkenaz but the arizona came along and now reza made the wild carnosa and the mishra then said if you don't know where your soul is so right now you would say come on at this point in time you would say how could anyone who's an ashkenazi davin i mean we have a tradition that the rishonim felt that this was the of our hour shave it ah now here's here's what happened but then in the year in the 1700s a star came down from heaven his name was and the qasim say he was from the light of the seven days of creation and as testified by the yochana boyas and the sivamir nasivan who talked about his kids and even the khido talks about the greatness of the balsam and many gaoina and sadikam say he was sent down in a shamayim lasagna and he understood that his source of his soul is not from the gateway of the nusa naz and therefore the bowser made a personal decision to dab inspired and then he made another personal decision and he imposed it on every other jew and that is from the henceforth no ain't working anymore for jews that people should start dabbing it will work better for their souls and therefore he was misakin that those who follow him should have inspired and all of us tell me then the tamir bashem whether the magid or barakumi followed his lead that something happened in jewish history that from the henceforth no suspired will work better for the soul of a jew and therefore says that him even though originally that reason only meant it for who cobalam that reason lived earlier and the baoshem came later and he saw whatever he saw and therefore we who follow in the messiah of the tamil balshem follow his recommendation to david so that's how they deal with the cipher in other words some soifer feels no suspired is only for mikhubalim and the khasidham say that's maybe once upon a time but the balshem said not why not i don't know why nothing very something one of the things that sam said troubles being very nice the early casino they didn't wake up and go to a tissue and become you know the the balchem was macbeth that you have to davin benets every single day i'm not paying any yeah anything he said that doesn't sound right to me for the global no question about it i'm going to say that about tom mclaughlin everybody who writes to chuba brings in prior and other cases and answers them now he doesn't even quote him by name now does that mean i don't does maybe he didn't know who he was i don't know that's that's unlikely right it's unlikely so maybe he had a reason why in his opinion he didn't want to acknowledge it right in other words in his opinion he didn't want it to enter he didn't feel it had the credibility to enter the framework of halakha it seems like the sam soyfer and the chuvas did not pay attention to kabbalah because he writes that um he writes there's a cafe and says that you're now going to make brokerage illinois why because you're over on your own how you ever on boy because when you make a bracha you take the soyulas of the khlipa out of the fruit so you can't do it on shabbos because your boy you're absolutely not in response to that but they quote him in in this type of thing that anyone who mixes kabbalah into aloha is overly sylvashannas you can't mix the two the fur held that of course some cypher knew kabbalah of course but he didn't feel it entered the the process so this is his way of saying you know elsewhere he writes that he never heard ramnasan adler there's certain things he says and rabbi obama will tell we'll say and he said it many times that samsara will say things where did he get it from slavey right but he doesn't quote it you know what everybody holds of everybody but there are always exceptions to the role okay we'll continue on people shouldn't talk about that people wouldn't talk by darwin it would be a bigger thing you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com