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You really are a clown.
>> My whole [laughter] life.
>> Wow. Amazing. Okay. This is exciting for
me.
>> Yeah. Exciting for me too.
>> Well, why is it exciting for you?
>> I was interviewed five weeks ago by
Kolib, which is the kida radio program
from New Square.
>> What did the kid want from you?
>> I am their number one gymnastics coach
for New Square in Monroe. Believe it or
not, the world of casum in Monroe and
New Square and that type is changing
where they used to be so strict that a
person would get kicked out of school if
he played through a basketball. Now they
realize how important physical fitness
is, exercise, and to get the ants out of
your pants so you can learn. And I'm
telling you, as soon as I put my ads in
in the myy view and the community
connections, I started getting calls um
from parents and also adults ages 19 to
33. It's it's incredible. 70% of my
students are kidish and 70% of those are
adults. It's a dream come true for them.
They always wanted it. They could never
do it. Tremendous amount of course to I
have from them and they from me.
>> This is new for you.
>> Well, I've been teaching my whole life
since I'm 17. But I opened my gym in
1993 called the Flip Factory. Sold it in
1998.
opened up another one in 1998 called the
Gymnastic City in Stony Point. Sold it
in 2009 and then I bought my house in in
and Wesley Hills on Powder Horn Drive.
Very nice neighborhood. I was able to So
I partly retired. Retirement was not
good for me. And I just reopened the
original Flip Factory in my basement. So
I have no overhead, no employees. I've
got over a hundred students, but from
private to classes and business is
booming. It's crazy.
>> Wow. Okay. I can't wait to get into it.
This is exciting stuff.
>> Yeah. Imagine they'll see them doing
flips. Flips with twists. Um round off
double back handsp springs, dive rolls.
Why do they want to do it? They want to
per They want to dotick hassas. They
want to perform at porum time. They want
to do
>> So, you're helping them do thetik at the
weddings.
>> Absolutely. And and now I have a group
um uh I now have a a group of casum five
that want to do a professional show
where they're going to go around to
weddings.
>> I have to say I I know you I know your
last name as the clown. I don't know I
don't know your real last name.
>> It's crazy.
>> It's the oldest last name.
>> What is that? Con
>> Adams. [laughter]
Pish Adams. Welcome back everybody to
another incredible episode of the None
of Your Business podcast. I'm your host,
Michael Greenfield. Today with me is
Fivish the Clown Adams. I'm sorry I have
to call that.
>> That's all right. That's
>> That's how I remember you as. That's
>> That's right. Well, I want you to know
throughout my life. I tried to keep it a
secret. [laughter]
>> You're kidding.
>> Yeah. I always felt like I performed on
stage and I made my musical tape. I
don't know if you knew that. I perfor I
traveled with Uncle Moy for 6 months and
I have my own musical tape that came out
in 1990 called Fiveish the Clown and the
Sima Circus. Right now on YouTube, there
is one of my songs. Someone found my old
song. It's It's on It's on cassette, old
old cassettes. Someone found my song,
reproduced it, so there's no fuzz, and
put it on YouTube, one of the songs, and
it's getting a lot of hits. I I couldn't
believe it. I'm so excited about it.
>> Chorus.
>> What? What do you mean by chorus?
>> The song I'm saying, what's
>> Oh, it's called It's called the Cautious
Symbol Song.
>> Okay. And
>> I have to find out more about this. I
you know I I remember as a child hearing
your voice but I have to get back into
it. First
>> many voices.
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today. Five-ish so many voices. What
for? Let me hear some of them.
Um, what was the most famous one?
>> Oh, Mrs. Shapiro. Oh, m Mrs. Shapiro,
I'm going to do my assign. Don't Don't
yell at me, Mrs. Shapiro.
It's okay, Mrs. Shapiro. I'm going to do
my assignment right now.
[laughter]
>> That definitely brings back some
memories. You know, it's funny. I just
went recently to a Guns and Roses
concert.
>> Wow.
>> And I'm like, "Oh my god, these guys
still have it. This is something that
like you'll always have in your vocals."
Like, you know, no matter how old they
How old are you now, if I may asked?
>> Well, let's see. 111 years ago, when I
was only 10 years old, my family was
bushwacked and scalped by the Pyute
Indians. Only my sister Caroline and I
were left alive. But they treated us m
good. They fed us boiled dog. I'm 67.
[laughter]
>> Okay. Wow. Okay. I I did not know that.
And I'm I'm a little taken by surprise.
shows how old I am also because I'm
remembering as a child listening to
this. So, I'd love to know who you are
and how you got involved in this. How
did your voice get picked up by Uncle
Mishi? First of all, who is the real
Uncle Mishi today? I know there's like a
whole controversy between like
>> two different ones and just
>> right, you know, I haven't been in
contact with him, but
>> I'm sure you know some of it.
>> I've been bounced into him a few times
in a shul in uh Kins in Kensington
Burough Park.
>> I've met him a couple times, but I went
with him. I traveled with him and it was
a great experience.
>> How long were you with him for? Six
months.
>> So fiveish fiveish
>> fiveish the clown went with Uncle Moshi
for six months to Texas to Canada to
Boston.
>> Yeah.
>> But your voice was used throughout um
his cassettes in general.
>> No, I was never in any of his cassettes
and or or any of his famous tapes. No,
these were live productions. Oh, I see.
>> When he did live productions somewhere
on stage in front of big audiences, I
went with him.
>> Oh, that's when you went with him to
perform. Got it.
>> And he gave me an opportunity to do a
small part of my act.
>> Okay.
>> But the other parts I was helping him
out in in his act.
>> All right. So, you went from being a
voice actor, let's just say, is that?
>> No. Well, actually, I was a voice actor
since um a freshman in high school.
>> Really?
>> Not a real voice actor, but me and my
friends used to have a microphone and a
cassette tape. We used to have so much
fun making voices and characters. I
loved it. That's where it started.
>> Did you try to make
>> My mother was an actress, by the way.
>> Your mother?
>> My mother was an actress.
>> You know what? Let's go back. Tell me
who you are, where are you from, who are
your parents, what's their lineage. Just
give me a little bit of flavor as to the
colorful five-ish who you are, where you
from.
>> I'm the youngest of five siblings.
>> Okay.
>> My uh oldest has passed away, my sister
Alice. Um uh my brother Ruain is a huge
to Kakam and he's still in Kell at the
age of 78 years old in Staten Island,
Nishiva under Ruain Fe um Ruain
Feinstein. Beautiful. He's a he's a huge
to and but a great personality. He's got
a he's got a really nice sense of humor.
But uh um uh my brother Andy is a uh g
ex geologist who survived a volcanic
eruption. 20 people on Mount Galleris in
southern Colombia. Only three survived
the eruption. My brother Andy was one of
them. Came out it with no injuries.
Southern Galler Galleris 1993. You can
look it up. And it was it was on the
news. It was uh on television. They
happened to have been there during the
eruption.
>> He was a scientist and they were trying
to save the town of Galleris below the
mountain because I think 20 years
earlier, not my dates are not exact, um
there was an eruption and 20 30,000
people were killed through mudslides,
ash, poison gas. It was terrible. So
they came again many years later to see
if they can have an early warning
system. I believe they were setting up
uh units to go inside detectors for
early warning. and uh it erupted. He was
inside the volcano. They have a policy
that they have to take a break every
hour and a half because even though you
have gas masks and you're breathing in
oxygen because there's poison some
poison gas down there like sulfur gas,
um the it still leaks in. So every hour
and a half you have to clear your lungs,
get out. My brother Andy said, "Boss,
I'm taking a break." It was an
international group of scientists, by
the way, from China, England.
>> Taint the picture for me for a second.
How are you hanging out in a volcano?
What do you do? You climb in like
>> Oh, so there's the classic idea of a
volcano is this big mountain that goes
up and on the top is flat. It's not
really flat. There's a caldera which is
like a moat for a castle that goes down
and up again with a mini mountain. The
moat mini mountain like a castle and
then that's where the hole goes down. It
comes in multiple types of shapes. They
were um so you climb up the mountain
there. There was a base down below. You
climb up the mountain. You go down into
the moat, go up the moat, go down into
the hole with rock climbing gear,
mountain climbing gear, ropes and
hanging down there and doing your work.
The mount the the mountain had erupted
20 to 30 years earlier. There was no
sign of eruption and it happened
absolutely suddenly after my brother
Andy said to his boss, I want to take a
break to get clear my lungs. The boss
said, I'm going to go with you. And so
did the assistant. So three people
survived. They climbed out. They were
down in the caldera when it erupted. Um,
the two, other than my brother, the two
who survived were horribly injured.
We're talking the worst injuries you can
imagine. A pebble shot through the
boss's head from this side to the next,
redot, carterizing as it goes, so he
wouldn't bleed to death. And he
survived. And it hit a part of the brain
where you can't see any change. That's
one of the many injuries. My brother
Andy came out with nothing but small
burns. He he had protective gear. See,
in those days, a lot of people, you you
visit 20 mountains, you 20 volcanoes,
you're not scared anymore, and you start
not taking the precautions. My brother
Andy always warned them, take the
precautions, wear your fireproof gear.
And as a result,
>> he was not burned hardly.
>> It's interesting as a brother, you get
to learn about an industry that normally
you would not know about. And that's why
I'm I'm I'm fascinated by this topic in
general, right?
>> Would love to learn a little bit more
about it. So, just curious for what you
know. So no warnings come and like you
know so these guys are spending their
whole life studying something that you
know the world
>> but then what's the point if you don't
know whenever it's coming so what are
you trying to figure out exactly like
>> um they they're try okay so they're
trying to figure out early warning
system they're trying to figure out can
we get
>> three four maybe a week early notice
that there's going to be an eruption are
there any signs you know you have this
geer counter type of a thing you know I
don't know what call. I forgot. You know
that if there's a earthquake, it goes,
right? So, if if you see things
happening, that is an early warning
system. You have to know what you're
doing. Okay. Um they uh there was
another scientist that was not part of
the group who was an enemy of the
leader. That scientist had according to
the book on the what happened, it's
called No Apparent Danger. Um you can
buy it on Amazon. It's an old book
though. They almost made a movie about
it. My brother was used as the
specialist who went all over the world
with the movie producer um being
interviewed. Uh they never ended up
making the movie, but uh um this this
guy had an early warning system that had
warned of eight volcanic eruptions
successfully. This other guy and he was
at a station, you know, 20, 30, 40 miles
away where they had his machine, but he
wasn't there. He had to leave. So he
left his assistants involved. He had
Spanish assistants. Golaris is um
southern Colombia. They were Colombians.
So they were watching it and the early
warning came in. What is it? You have
this jumping up and down with um geer
counter type of a thing. And if you use
a microscope and look deep I think this
how I'm not a professional, but this is
what I I believe when I read it. You if
you look deeply with a microscope, you
can see little squiggle lines within the
big squiggle lines, you know. So these
micro squiggle lines are an indication
of an upcoming volcanic eruption. They
were getting those, but the the leader
of my brother's team would not listen.
He did not care. He didn't like the
guy's philosophy. And um there was a big
makus and
>> Oh, okay. Now that makes it much more
interesting. So there so now they're I
guess learning from that from all those
>> Yeah. I don't know what they're doing
now. My brother
>> I'm imagining now there's much more
indication of things that are coming up.
Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty fascinating.
I've seen a a volcano, by the way, erupt
uh in Iceland.
>> Oh, right.
>> And um it was f one of the coolest
things I've ever seen in my life.
>> It's part of the circle of fire. The
circle of fire is a giant circle that
covers a third of the world from Canada
down California down into Mexico and
across to the Pacific and all the way
through Japan and Iceland. Big gigantic
circle called the ring of fire. It's
Yeah, that's the circle of volcanoes. I
myself, as a backpacker, I that was one
of my great hobbies was backpacking. I
did a solo around one of those mountains
called Mount Hood. It was a three-day
solo backpacking trip I did by myself,
but that was not active volcano at all.
Had a great time.
>> So, circle of fire is something of fire.
>> That's like I guess what the world is
made up of. That's right. In terms of uh
all over the world. That's pretty
fascinating stuff. Okay, cool.
>> I'm not a scientist.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's okay. Okay. When I
was at Shea Spring Valley that in those
days I taught him um gymnastics and
fitness.
>> You taught Stefan.
>> Yeah. He just reminded me [laughter]
>> Stephan you look great.
>> He did like [clears throat]
>> Yeah. Let's do it right now. Come on.
[laughter]
>> Oh, that's right. Seismograph. I
couldn't think of the word. Yeah. So,
and then and they also taught science
and I told them about my um at my
brother's uh adventures with the
mountain. Yeah, I I spoke about that in
class.
>> All right. So So that's another brother.
Keep going. You fascinating family over
here.
>> Yeah. Then I have a sister.
None of them are from by the way. My one
brother is from the one in Staten
Island. He has a story. My the my
brother Andy um is not not from Never.
>> You all did not grow up observant.
>> No. No. Not at all.
>> Got it. Okay. So where your parents
from?
>> My parents are from uh Brownsville.
Okay. New York where I grew up kosher
because you couldn't buy non-cooser food
back then in the day right back in the
Jewish mob Jewish mafia back in those
days 20s30s that's where they grew up
everything was kosher you couldn't eat
tfe um everybody went to shul Friday
night it's just that the people that a
lot of people after they left shul they
uh got into some limousine and took off
and did business whatever it was
>> very different environment back then
>> that's cool
>> that's my my parents were from that
generation and they moved to California
in the 50s
All of my family were born in New York
except I was born 1959 in uh California
and uh my father became a newspaper
liner type operator or teletype
operator, one of those two and for the
major newspapers in California. He his
whole life.
>> And your mom became an actress.
>> My mom was an amateur actress. She
worked as a um she had a second job in a
in a hospital working in dietary. Okay.
But she was also her passion was acting
and she acted constantly. She was in
plays, on stage, in theaters. She got
write-ups in the newspapers, many, many
awards, offers to be professional,
always canceled out because she felt her
family is more important. She was a
great actress and I I was definitely
influenced by both my father and my
mother in a really deep My father's a
box. It's another story in my father
growing up became a boxer and he became
a really good amateur golden glove
boxer. Amateur golden glove boxer. Um
during World War II, he was he enlisted
and on his way to Japan
um they had boxing tournaments against
the Navy, the Army versus the Navy. And
my father made it to the finals and the
finals him against the Navy. Whoever won
this was the champion. So on the way um
they were treating him like gold. Eat
whatever you want. Made him comfortable.
All the guys were betting on him. And
then one guy said, "Come lay down over
here." And he laid him down in a cot
outside on top of the deck of the ship
as they're going to the Pacific. And my
father woke up with a horrible sunburn.
His whole body like a like a crab,
right? Lobster. And he had to fight like
that and he ended up losing.
>> Oh boy.
>> One of my father's stories.
>> He didn't set him up for failure, that
guy, did he? [laughter]
>> I don't know that. I don't know enough
about
>> he was in from the other team, right?
>> Right.
>> Okay. Uh, so you grew up mostly in
California then?
>> Until 1983. Then I moved to New York. I
became a Boua.
>> Oh, okay. So what? Tell me about that.
How did that happen? Well, first of all,
I lived a completely different life. Um,
I was on the gymnastics. I I did
gymnastics since I'm 13. Um, made
varsity as a freshman in high school and
all four years I was on the varsity
team. And then, um, I went to junior
college and competed for two years in
junior college. Did very well. And then
I got a scholarship for my last two
years at Soma State University in
Northern California. And they paid my
full tuition. Full tuition, books,
dormatory, food, everything.
>> You must have been good at it.
>> I was good. They wanted they were trying
to build the team. So me and my best
friend, they he didn't get a
scholarship, but he came along with me.
He he was also a gymnast, very good. And
uh Mark Lundy was the coach, and he was
a really great coach. He treated us like
his own family. That's the difference,
by the way. And as a as a gymnastics
coach, it's important for me to say
this. There's a difference between a
good teacher and a good coach. Teacher
teaches. A coach also teaches, but he
also is a brother, a father, a friend.
He's a mentor. He's everything. That's a
real coach, not just a teacher. So Mark
Lundy was that. He was a really
wonderful person. He died very young. Um
after I left Sonoma, he a few years
later he got cancer and passed away. Um
his son never never met him
unfortunately. And I'm in communication
with his son a little bit here and now
here and there because he wants to hear
stories about his father. Do Mark Lundy.
My last year in college um my my money
ran out because they dropped the
gymnastics program. Although I was the
first person in the university to go to
nationals, I com they have a football
team, wrestling team, basketball teams
and never made it to nationals. My very
first year in gymnastics, I qualified
for nationals and competed and took
ninth place national. Eighth place would
have meant I could have been getting
prepared for international competition,
but I took ninth place, so I didn't make
it. And it's okay. But uh
>> what was gymnastics like? When you say
gymnastics, sorry for someone who
doesn't follow it. Does that mean you're
jumping up and down? Explain to me what
>> have you ever seen, have you ever
watched the Olympics? The summer
[laughter] I'm not very well verssed in
gymnastics.
>> That's okay. So there's a summer
Olympics. Okay.
>> And you have famous names today um
female gymnasts and men men gymnasts. So
gymnastics is a sport. It's an actual
sport. It's divi and for men it's
divided up into six events. Each event
is its own sport with a whole system of
learning unbelievable stuff. For women,
there's four events. The four events for
women are were produced since the Greek
times. The first Olympics was in Greece
back in the times of the Greeks. Okay?
And that was the first Olympics. Um, and
gymnastics was was one of the events
then. They didn't have women's
gymnastics then. It was just men's
gymnastics. But, uh, women's gymnastics
developed in a way that is good for
women. Men's gymnastics developed in a
way that's good for men. I'll give you
I'll tell you what I mean. In women's
gymnastics, you have the balance beam.
Balance beam is if if you fall with your
legs spread on the balance beam and
you're a man, you have to go to the
hospital. If you're a woman, no. Okay?
And I'm not trying to be funny. In
uneven bars, that's we have a bar down
here and a bar up here. Women's
gymnastics doing all sorts of stuff on
the top bar, then the bottom bar. They
bounce off the bar. They don't get hurt,
but if it's a man, he can go to the
hospital. So, and also women have less
upper body strength generally speaking.
I'm not putting down women because some
of they're some of the great athletes of
the world are women. But, um, it's but
they don't have naturally more body
strength, upper body strength than men.
So, that's why men have the rings. You
heard of the rings, the rings, iron
cross, right? And amazing things. And
they have the parallel bars, the
horizontal, but all upper body strength
stuff. Women have tumbling with dance
and music. Men have tumbling with no
dance and no music. So, they formed two
different sports for men and women.
They're they're similar but different.
So, I uh and now I'm going to tell you
how I got into it. So, I'm 13 years old.
First of all, I was already in my front
yard. I used to always already could
walk around on my hands. I could I was
the fastest tree climber on my block.
You know, I I wasn't great at at popular
sports. Like, I was good at football in
baseball, but I had a problem. I caught
the baseball with my left hand, took off
the glove, and threw it with my left
hand. That was a problem. Um, but I was
good. Um, but I was I never joined any
of the team sports. Gymnastics just was
something that I was excited about
learning. Similar I think with the cedum
we're experiencing now. Flipping,
handstands, cartwheeling, performing.
That's what I liked and that's what I
think I see from coming out of New
Square now. And I'm going to give you
some examples of people who are going to
become famous soon.
So I I started when I was 13. I took a
couple classes in summer school. Then in
14 I joined the gymnastics team in high
school. I I started on the football
team. I joined my peer pressure, my best
friends, my next door neighbors. Come
on, join football. Join. So, I joined. I
joined football. And then we had
practice with full equipment. And one
day the coach is, don't laugh when I say
the name, coach Bastion. It sounds like
a bad word, but it's not a bad word.
Coach Bastion saw me in my football gear
like using the the goalpost, the big
goal like 15 feet up as a balance beam
walking across. He goes, "Adams, get
over here." Right? So I hung by the coal
post, let go, landed, went running over
me. He goes, "Follow me." He put his arm
around me and we walked to the
basketball gymnasium. These days he
would have gone to jail for putting his
arm around me. [laughter]
In those days, no. And he brought me to
the basketball gym, opened the door, I
walked in, and I saw gymnastics going
on. Real highlevel gymnastics. We had a
really good gymnastics team. Some of um
Buddy Frottton, [clears throat] John
Bernal almost made it to the Olympics
and that was it. I did gymnastics for
the rest of my life. I joined right
away. I made the varsity team because I
was talented already. And I never left
gymnastics through high school, through
college. My last year, I had to leave
Soma because gymnastics is not a
money-making sport. So, they dropped it
even though I went to nationals and then
I injured my arm. And then the next
year, the second year, uh the team made
it to nationals, but I couldn't because
I had a broken wrist. Then they dropped
the program. And we all went to Long
Beach where I had a gymnastics teacher,
not a gymnastics coach. is a great great
gymnast. Yishi Ta from Japan, four-time
world champion. You can look him up. I
think he's still alive. He was our
gymnastics teacher, but I would never
call him a coach because he was I think
he was an anti-semite and he was abusive
specifically to me. So, that was my last
year in gymnastics. I had a bad year
recovering from injuries, but I made it.
>> He knew you were Jewish, I'm imagining.
But you weren't practicing then, right?
>> I was not practicing.
>> You're saying you felt the negative?
>> Somehow he knew. I don't know. I don't
know. Somehow, somehow he knew. What did
he do that made you feel that way? I'm
just curious like how how did you know
that he was picking on you?
>> He never said anything Jewish
specifically, but if you want me to get
into it, it gets pretty dark.
>> I I'm curious experience. Yeah,
>> because people feel that experience now
as well. So, I'm trying to connect the
dots.
>> Right. So, first of all, the the team
reflected the coach. No one was
friendly. Nobody cared. There was no we
there was no team spirit. Everyone was
on was for themselves. I hated it. Okay.
at Soma the women's team and the men's
team we worked out together everyone was
best friends were like a family men and
women like a family helping each other
and it was really great Sonoma Long
Beach it was like
women the women were completely
separated from the men not because it's
neiest reasons just because of an
unfriendly atmosphere
um so anyway I I'll just say that I was
recovering from a wrist injury and I did
recover and I was doing very very well
um I was I had potential to qualify in
my opinion on horizontal bar and maybe
on floor exercise. Horizontal bar is a
single bar where you're flipping around
the bar like this, letting go, catching
again. Okay. Tumbling, that's floor
exercise is where you're doing roundoff
back handsprings, back flips,
cartwheels, handstands, double flips,
multiple twists. So, I uh I broke my
wrist at two weeks after taking ninth
place. I wanted to take first place. So
I started learning some crazy moves and
uh that's how I broke my wrist and but
after I healed I was I I was becoming
one of the top in the country on
horizontal bar. So we had our first
competition. Um and okay
first I had a series of injuries before
that. So um we visited a school nearby.
It was California State University Long
Beach and nearby was the junior college
called Long Beach Junior College. We
were friends. They had a team. We had a
team and we decided to have an outing
and go visit them and work out with
them. I get to the gym. I see their high
bar high bar. Beautiful. Okay. It's my
first event. I'm going to go jump on it
and have some fun. I jump on. I get up
under the high bar. I swing my feet up
in the air. Start swinging around and
around and around and around. And that
was my warm-up. And I said, "Okay, I'm
going to let go and jump down onto the
mat." So, I jump like I do did a
thousand times. I jumped down onto the
mat. Unfortunately, there was a 1-in
mat. And under the mat was a fat 8-in
mat, which is fine, but there was a hole
in it, hidden. I stepped I landed from a
high level right into that hole and
broke my ankle. It was a terrible break
that is affecting me till today.
Okay. But it healed enough that I could
start I could still live a normal life.
My ankle was this big. I had to have a
cast on. But it healed that night from
from the injury. Um I dec I decided to
just go to emergency. I hopped to into
my car. Someone helped me and it went to
the emergency. Um I was I had the
insurance from my high my college take
care of it because it is an event from
the college. I I'm poor. I was poor back
then. My my father had died um when I
was 14. He never saw me do gymnastics by
the way. And my mother was working
part-time as an actress but working till
late at night in dietary at the
hospital. And we had no money. We're in
the on the other side of the railroad
tracks literally. And uh so I had money
until I was 20 till I turned 22 because
I had my father's um I forgot it was
called for the military. I it was social
security money came to me to help me pay
for pay for my last year in college. My
last year at Sonoma State was my third
year in college. But then that ran out
when I turned 22 and I was completely
poor. I had to work at Jack in the Box
until 3:00 in the morning after after uh
being in the library at college at
midnight.
And uh so I I I had to use their
insurance and there's no question
anyway. It's not a it's they're
responsible. So I did it. I was out for
about 2 weeks and then with crutches I
came to visit the gym and here's the
first instance of coldness. Not
necessarily because I'm Jewish, but when
it happens over and over again, you
start thinking that maybe it's because
you're Jewish. The truth is I only
started recently thinking that it's
Jewish after my my my problem with coach
T is that I had so much in my opinion
real abuse and I even got to the hairy
stuff that I tossed and turned in bed
even after I became a bulshua even till
now I have dreams about it I toss it it
has been a focal point in my life and
might be one of the reasons why I never
gave up gymnastics I'll show you take
I'll show you and I never all my friends
gave up. All my great gymnastic friends
who were really good, they all gave up
right after college. I never gave up. I
made a comeback even when I was in my
40s and competed for four years from 42
years old to 46 years old and did very
very well as a older gymnast.
But uh I could never forget what T did
to me. So when I when I got to the gym
in my crutches, the team captain came up
to me. Take is very angry at you. So I
went up to him, what's the matter,
coach? He didn't say, "How are you?
How's your ankle? Are you okay?" No.
First thing he said was, "You you should
not have used the school's insurance. We
have a hard enough time keeping our
gymnastics here at the gym, you know,
paying for it, and here you are using
the insurance for the gym." And he
really gave it to me. That's the very
first instance of me feeling very
guilty. You want to hear the worst
thing? I could jump to it right now. The
worst thing. Here it goes. Um, things
happen over and over again. Okay? But
the climax was this. It's embarrassing
for me to say and it might be a little
bit private um when if you play it
publicly. So I'm going to leave it to
you. Decide what you want to do. Okay?
It was a different life, you know, and I
would never do or have there would never
be a suspicion of anything these days.
We had a three-day competition in San
Francisco. San Francisco and some other
cities near San Francisco. Uh famous
cities. I can't remember their name just
off the hand. Three-day competition. I
did very well. I took first place in San
Francisco on almost every single event.
And uh then we did uh the other school
and I ended injuring my ankle. The one
that I already injured, I injured it
again. Okay. And I still competed with
the injured ankle, but I didn't do well
and I was very upset at my performance
at the um then that night we all met at
a pizza place to have pizza after for
dinner after the competition and I saw
my coach Mark Lundy who's you know still
alive at this time and and the other
gymnasts from my old team. They all came
to watch me from Soma which is an hour
about hour and a half drive to San
Francisco. They all drove to watch me
compete and have a reunion. So they're
sitting at a table and they let me know
that they were there. And I said, "Oh, I
can't believe it." Me and my other
buddies who went to Sonoma, we got up
and start walking. Coach Take said, "Sit
down." They would not let us go up and
visit them. Why? You can't visit them.
This is your This is your team. You stay
here. We just want to visit. Nope. Got
to You got to sit down right here. You
can't get up. So everyone complied, but
I didn't. I said, "I'm sorry. These are
like my family. I'm going to go say hi."
That really angered him. So I went up to
go say hi. We laughed a little bit. I
came back. No words were said. Then that
night co they at the hotel someone said,
"Coach Kotake wants a meeting with
everyone." We all had a meeting. I want
you to know right now that I was in the
greatest shape of my life. I was almost
6 feet. I have and now that I'm old I've
shrunk a little bit. I was almost 6 feet
tall. 5' 11 and a half back then. Now
I'm 5' 10 and a half. So the coach wants
us to meet him at his hotel room. So we
all went up there.
And my body fat was extremely low. I was
top gymnast, not fat at all. Okay. And
coach says, "Line up." So we had about
10 guys on the team. We lined up and he
walked from one side of of the in a line
from one to the next going like this.
You samurai.
It's crazy. It sounds [clears throat]
like something out of a movie. You
samurai. He's Japanese, right? You
samurai. You samurai. And then when he
hits to me to to me, he goes like this.
He passes me. He goes, "You samurai. You
samurai." Then he comes back to me. He
goes, "You fat. You no samurai." Right?
Because of my injuries.
Um, add more. I agree with that he
should be upset because I had lots of
injuries, right? Lots of them throughout
that last year. I haven't even, you
know, it was a bad bad year, but he made
me feel really, really bad. And it's not
finished yet. Third day of competition.
Um we had a really big hotel after the
thing and uh we all went to the hotel
after the competition and I was had a
roommate who was a boy who was a
low-level gymnast. He was a he was
competing but not very and he I put he
was under my wing. I used to help him a
lot. So, they put us together and um at
the competition I saw my ex-girlfriend
at the time, my ex-girlfriend who was I
was really mad about her. I mean, we
really at least a year we were together
and she broke up with me. Okay. But at
the competition, she was there. God,
she's here. She's here to see me
compete. She wants to get back together.
So, I was flying, right? So, I decided,
she told me where her hotel room was and
I went to visit her at her hotel room
and she said, "It's not like what you
think. it it is over. We had a nice nice
little meeting. It was friendly and I
said, "Okay, thank you." I turned around
and went back, took the elevator down to
the floor where my room was and all the
gymnasts were on the same hallway, you
know. So, I open the elevator opens. I
walked down and I smelled something.
Smell pot. Okay. My room's on at the end
of the hall on the right and across my
room is another room. I don't know whose
room it was, but it was one of the
gymnasts and there was a party going on
in there. You could hear the music. So,
I knock on the door, they open up, and
they come on in. Come on in. So, I go
in, I'm there one minute. One minute. I
don't do anything. I just see everyone
rolling around laughing and drunk. And,
you know, athletes do that. Athletes get
wasted, unfortunately.
And I didn't. So, uh, all of a sudden,
there one minute and someone yells out,
"Take is coming." Everyone runs into the
closet, hides underneath laundry, goes
into under the bed. I casually walk out
and go directly across to my room, close
the door, and my roommate was in there,
and I sit down, turn on the TV, or was
already on. Then there's a knock on my
door. Five minutes later, there's a
knock on my door. I shouldn't have
opened the door, but I did. I didn't
feel I did anything wrong whatsoever. I
open the door. Okay. Smells my clothing
from that room. He goes, "You." And he
said a very bad word to me. And he beat
me up. He pushed me. He hit me. Open
palm and uh knocked me around. My both
my contact lenses flew across the gym,
across the room. And uh his face was
red, angry like I've I thought I thought
he was going to kill me. But I didn't I
didn't defend myself. I just kept my
hands down and let whatever happened
happen because that's who I was at the
time. I respected him. I didn't like
him. He was mean to me. He was horrible.
But I I respected him. He was the one of
the greatest gymnasts of all time.
Four-time world champion. Take
respected him. And that respect gave
gave him an opportunity to really abuse
me. I didn't tell you. Oh, so now comes
a conclusion. Then he leaves. My
roommate goes, "Oh my god, he helped me
find my contact."
So I said, "That's it. I can't take him
anymore. I'm can't remain on the team. I
can't continue with this. So, in that my
mind, I quit the gymnastics team and I
couldn't stay in the room. I went
downstairs to the lobby. The the the bus
was supposed to leave at 7 in the
morning. I had no money, no nothing. I
had like $2, okay? And uh the we're
supposed to get on the the school bus.
It's a yellow bus. And soon the gymnasts
start coming down into the lobby. They
start going outside to get in line by
the bus. Then, what am I going to do?
What am I going to do? So, a nice guy on
the team, Chris Rem, said to me, "Don't
worry. It's going to be okay. Just, you
know," I said, "I'm quitting. I don't
think I can get on the bus." I said,
"Get on the bus. It's going to be all
right. You'll talk to I'll talk to T.
It's going to work out. It'll work out."
And I said, "Oh, no." He talked me into
it. So, after everyone was gone, I ended
up following them to the bus. Pake was
standing by the side of the entrance to
the bus, the door, and people were
slowly going in. When it came time, my
turn to step up onto the steps to get in
the bus. He goes like this. He goes,
"You can't get on the bus unless you
apologize to everybody."
So I said, "Apologize for what?" He
goes, "No apology, no get on the bus."
Said, "What did I do?" He would never
tell me what I did. Um, I was so
confused that I didn't really know the
right things to say. I should have said,
what I should have said was, "You guys
on the bus, did I do anything last
night? Did Did I I was there only for 45
seconds. I should have said that, but I
didn't. Even my best friends, they
should have stood up for me. Nobody
stood up for me. My best my best
friends, even from California, I mean,
from my previous colleges and high
school were on the team, they didn't
stand up for me. And uh and they got on
the bus, the doors closed, and they took
off and left me alone in San Francisco.
The bus went to Los Angeles. And here I
am 400 miles away about from Los Angeles
with no with couple bucks.
That was that was really hard, right? I
couldn't believe it was happening. The
bus just disappeared down the road. So
$2 was enough to get on the Bay Area
Rapid Transit called the BART in San
Francisco, the subway type of thing. And
that took me all the way out of San
Francisco to San Jose. I had to change
from the subway to a bus. And the bus
ended up in San Jose. From there, I had
to do something I never did in my life.
I had to hitchhike. I had to stick my
thumb out scared. I was 23, but still
I'd never done anything like this
before. And I stuck my thumb out and I
had to hitchhike with all sorts of
scrupulous people, all sorts of
different people, you know, and uh I
didn't make it all the way cuz the
nighttime came and I had to find a place
to sleep. So, it turns out on Highway
One there's a place called Hurst Castle.
Hurst was a famous newspaper producer
and he was a probably one of the early
billionaires. Okay. and his his castle
was turned into a a museum. So I I went
into So I did I hopped the gate like 12
midnight, hopped over the the you know
iron gate and I slept in the front yard
of Hurst Castle and I hitchhiked the
rest of the way. And that's the story
basically.
That is it. About a month later I um
people were telling me we're doing so
bad. We're not winning any competitions.
Please get back on the team. Get back on
the team. He'll forgive you. Work it
out. I said, "Okay, I'm going to try."
So, I ended up visiting the gym, right?
And everyone's, some of the guys were
glad to see me. Team captain was glad to
see me, even though he was never nice to
me either. And then, uh um the team
captain says, "Coach T wants to talk to
you." Said, "Great. Maybe we're going to
work it out." I walk up to him, he goes,
"I'm glad to see you. We really could
use you on the team." Said, "Great. I'm
really eager to be back." He goes,
"Okay, you could be on the team, but you
have to go apologize to everybody.
>> [laughter]
>> So I said that's it and then that was
the end of my career until I made a new
career in in at the age of 42.
Yeah.
>> First of all, thank you so much for
sharing that. I know it wasn't easy. Um
>> I'm so curious what you learned from
that experience and what we can learn
from that experience.
>> Well, one thing I I've thought about it.
Like I said, I rolled back and forth in
my bed. Even after I'm married, even
after I have kids, even though I'm an
adult, 40, 50, 60 years old, it still
comes back to me when I'm falling
asleep. I keep going chewing it over my
mind. What should I have done? What
could I have done? You know what that's
called? That is called trauma. I had
real trauma. And I never knew what it
was. I never knew I had trauma. But that
affected the whole direction of my life.
That's I believed I truly believe
although I never had analyzed that
that's why I'm a gymnast today because
of t. I couldn't let it go. I had to
prove to him, although he doesn't had
never heard from me again, that I am not
what you think I was. I am something
special. And I and I am. So,
>> well, I guess that's the uh that is the
lesson to be learned. Um
>> kind of crazy that, you know, what I'm
learning from this is that these kind of
things never really go away.
>> Yeah. Um, and it's just imagining, you
know, your scenario back there and
playing it over in your head over and
over again.
>> Right.
>> So much that I'm learning from this type
of story is also to stick up for your
friends and, you know, family. And uh,
>> absolutely.
>> I I love the way you described uh, you
know, the coaching versus teaching.
>> That's right.
>> I think that's really
>> that's my definition.
>> You know, I never heard it anywhere
else.
>> I like it. I like it a lot.
>> Um, let's move along. So you're you're
learning that concept of hitchhiking,
[laughter] what it's like to be alone.
You're shaping your life in the you know
in your young 20s and you're heading
weir. So
I mean we could be here hour there's so
many stories. So my father died when I
was 14. My brother Ruain who had already
been from he came to the funeral and he
told taught me how to say kadesh. And
then after the funeral was over he gave
me my first pair of fillin. I was 14 and
he gave me my first pair of fillin and I
put them on for the first time and I
never put them on again ever. I never
put them on again but I always kept them
with me. The fillain I put them in the
fillain case and zipped it up the blue
felt and I kept my fillin with wherever
I went. When I went to when I was home I
kept it in a drawer. When I went to
Sonoma State University I took them with
me. Why? I don't know. Something about
it. I put it in a in a desk drawer and I
just kept it with me. um in 2003
after I was finished and I was
performing by the way at this time as a
comic acrobat/clown.
Okay. And I was already performing back
then and I was taking classes and I had
a great coach um Fred Chek who was
unbelievable training me in classic not
just we're not talking about birthday
parties here blowing up balloons and
animal balloons. We're talking
vaudeville Charlie Chaplan. You heard of
Charlie Chaplan?
>> Of course. Yeah, Charlie Chaplan, Buster
Keaton, um Jerry Lewis, and Fiveish
Adams. Frank Adams, that's my English
name. Frank Adams. And I took it very
seriously and I worked hard at it. Um
so you have to cut this out probably
edit it because I don't remember what
where I was going.
>> Fill in. We're good. I'm with you.
That's what I'm doing here.
>> Yeah. So in 2003, I'm 23 years old. My
brother Ruain had been trying to
macccarve me every year. Eravuis, he'd
call my mom. I was always changing phone
numbers. He couldn't reach me. But my
mom, you know, could could reach me. So
my brother said, "I want him to come for
I want him to come for." And I always
said no. Why would I always say no?
Three years in a row, I said no. So the
reason is why do I want to give up my
lifestyle? Why would I want to? I'm a
gymnast. I'm an acrobat. Um I'm starting
to get paid as a performer on stage in
theater. Not just in a in on on clowns,
but actually in real theater. I'm
getting the parts I want. I did my first
um voice over um in an actual movie um
Francis Ford Copala movie and I just
feel like I'm getting on my way on my
way. I had taken courses at Long Beach
in theater and acting and one of the
things I didn't want to do was just be a
a a student of acting for the rest of my
life like so many of them are. That's
why there's so many actors but so many
of them end up sweeping cleaning the
bathrooms at theaters. They're not
they're they're not they're taking
lessons, dance lessons, acting lessons.
They don't go out there and really give
them devote themselves to make money.
And I decided, you know what? I'm I'm
going to finish with the classes. I've
done enough. I've really grown at it and
I'm going to go out there and make
money. That was my desire. That's one of
the reasons why I did clowning as well
and comic acrobatics because I get jobs
right away. But as an actor, I got jobs
much less. I had to go and and audition
for parts, you know, and I would get
parts occasionally.
So in 1983
and and at the same time all this is
going on. So my every year he he'd
invite me to and I always say no. I
didn't want to change my lifestyle. I
didn't want to look like my brother.
Black hat, white shirt, Fitz is hanging
out. Um you know I I didn't it it wasn't
I didn't see myself like that. Why would
I want to do that? I I did have a a I
did believe in God and I did appreciate
my brother you know and but I I just I
just felt I couldn't live like that.
So at the same time this is happening
after my father died my mother after
several years started dating and
eventually she dated a guy by the name
of uh Sam
can't Sam I think his name was and he
was Jewish he was a cohen and both of
his children boy and girl ended up
marrying Goyam okay he felt guilty about
that he was not religious but he felt
guilty about it and even though he was
not religious he was always always tell
me remember you're a Jew and make sure
you marry a Jew
say that all the time, Sam. So, uh, that
was going on for several years and I
really liked him. And, uh, then finally,
and and every year, no matter where I
was, he would send me a Hanukkah card.
And that Hanukkah, it was the same card
every year. He probably had a stack of
them. The Hanukkah always said at the
end, the bottom of the card, remember
you're a Jew, always marry a Jewish
girl. Make sure you marry a Jewish girl.
year after year. Okay, that little quick
quip at the end that didn't mean
anything to me. And then in 1983,
my mother called me. She said, "Do you
want to go?" And that same time, it was
around Hanukkah time, I got the card.
Got the card. So the phone and the card
at the same time, I looked at I said,
"My brother's inviting me and remember
you're a Jew." I said,
"Put a card away." I said, "I'm going to
become religious." This is 2003.
>> 2003. Just like that. I said, I'm going
to become religious. I may not dress
like that, but I'm going to go and I'm
going to give it a try for at least one
year full on.
>> You're saying the sign of the phone
call, the card.
>> The card. Yes.
>> And it was like the message year after
year and it penetrated.
>> That's correct.
>> Interesting.
>> Right. So, I said to myself and and not
only that, I had the logic the this the
mindset which I don't know where this
mindset came from. I said you can't do
anything well unless you envelop
yourself with it. That means if I am
going to become religious, I have to
become really religious for one year
full on full-on religious to get to get
a true honest understanding of it. How
how else can I do this? That was my
mindset. I don't know where where I got
that kind of a strength from, but that's
what I want and I wanted to do. So I
move I came for Shvas and uh that was
it. I learned all night. Gomorrah
Shabas, I believe it was all in.
>> All in. That night, Shu night, I learned
with my brother at a big yeshiva in
Burough Park. Can't remember the name of
it. And we stayed up all night learning
Gomorrah mixed with all sorts of stos
also having fun and talking and all that
stuff. But I remember it was crazy. I
was able to learn Gomorrah. I didn't
know the olive face. I didn't know
anything. But my brother was translating
it and we were getting involved in it
and it was fun. It was interesting, you
know, and that was pretty cool. So, that
was and I remember at after that when
it's time for me, I told my brother, I
have to go back home. He says, "Don't go
home. Don't I have to I have all my
things. I have to sell my car." I said,
"I I I come back. I promise I'm going to
come back." He goes, "Don't do it." He
was so worried. I said, "Can I ask you a
question?" He said, "Yeah." I said, "Now
that I've been religious for like a
week." I said, "Am I allowed to do a sin
anymore?" He goes, "Nope.
>> [laughter]
>> That was very naive kind of a thing. He
goes, "Nope, you can't do it." I said,
"Okay."
>> What were you thinking? What do you want
to do? You wanted to get a cheeseburger
out of the way? Like,
>> no. I don't know. Girls mainly back
[laughter] in those days, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> But um so uh I went back home and uh two
weeks later I sold my car and two weeks
later, 3 weeks later I came back to New
York and I've lived here ever since. I
have visited but I've lived here.
>> Wow. Okay. So you're in your young 20s.
>> 23. Exactly.
>> 23. And you had a beautiful shoo
experience.
>> That's correct.
>> You're like, I'm all in.
>> Yes.
>> And that's it. You came to New York.
Where was it?
>> My brother Ruain set me up at a Baltua
camp in Connecticut called Mudus. Mudus.
It's called Mudus Connecticut.
>> It's a Baltua camp. And I stayed there
for two months. And I met um Reb Shiman
Schwab privately. I met uh great Sadikin
came there. I mean the greatest.
>> I I never knew that such a thing exists.
So I'd love to learn about this. Valua
camp.
>> A Baltua camp. In those days, 1983, it
was in the midst of the Baltua movement.
>> Okay.
>> There was Orsame, there was Kol Yakov.
Okay. Um and there was uh Asia in
Israel. Okay. When my brother became
from in 1972 73, there was no BU camp um
um yeshivas anywhere in the United
States. Maybe a little bit of Kabad. And
then there was a place called Shemay
Israel in Jerusalem which was a
combination of Orsame and Aish. They
split up became their own. Okay. So my
brother actually went there when he
became. So but in America there was
nothing in my brother's time but now
there was
>> this is 2003 and you're going to Buba
camp.
>> Balchuva camp and then in the
>> baseball swimming in the rivers
>> and they're bringing rabbis
inspire you I guess
>> rabbis to inspire and teach. We had um
Mishna every day we had humish every
day. We had lashes every day. We had the
greatest halakashir I've ever had was
there. It's a we sat down with chairs
near a tree. Okay. And the the the
son-in-law of Ribshin Schwab, Rabbi
Rosenberg was his name. Um he sat down
and here's the here was what it was. You
choose the subject. So it could be
subject could be twillin, it could be
tits, it could be shamirian and it could
be girls whatever it was you choose the
and and he would would talk about it in
depth with lots of questions and answers
and it was absolutely fascinating for
about 45 minutes every single day around
that tree. It was great. That's a style
you know u when it came to tishabove
because I was in camp during tishabove
they gave us something to read. They
gave us burnt bread, a burnt egg, and
they told us, "Go out for a half an hour
by yourself somewhere in the woods and
think about the temple. Think about what
it meant and give something to read." I
remember that was so I never experienced
that before. It was the first time. So
these are kind of the things.
>> Was there a time during this process
that you ever said, "Ah, I'm not doing
this. This is crazy." Or, "No way am I
going to be able to do that." Like was
there anything like that that happened
during this summer camp program or
during that one-year process that
>> well I never said this is too tough but
I did said certain things are too tough
right now. For example
>> after Mudus I was set up at Kolya Rabbi
Tropper. Do you know do you remember
Rabbi Tropper? Yeah. So Rabbi Tropper um
he was my Russa and he visited um once a
month to the camp to
motivate guys to come and join the
yeshiva. So, um, it was my turn. And he
was a wild guy back then. I mean, really
wild. I saw him. A guy Bucker would get
into his car and he'd go driving in the
through the woods over hills like,
you know, thought it was going to crash.
He did that with me as well. And he
talked me into going and my brother
Ruain set me up that there's all sorts
of miracles as everything I'm telling
you right now in between the lines.
There are all sorts of interesting
miracles that happened like how I ended
up what was my first e moment I stepped
into the yeshiva what happened. So I'd
like to share that with you. It's an
amazing thing and and it's
inspirational.
So um someone drove me and I didn't get
to my until about 2 in the morning. When
I got to the yeshiva with my suitcase,
it was all locked up and dark. I didn't
know what to do. Front door I knocked.
Nobody answered. So I went down. There
was a basement door or what once was a
garage and there's a door. I knocked on
the door. Knocked again. Okay. So, I
just said, "Okay, I'll sit out here for
the rest of the night." Finally, the
door opened and someone lets me in. A
Spanish um cleaning person. What's it
called? A person.
>> Spanish cleaning person.
>> Spanish cleaning. A man. A man. Spanish
cleaning person. He says, "Come on in.
Come on in." He was mopping and cleaning
garbage. It was air. It was Thursday
night.
>> Some people will call them an ice
favorite. Oh, there you go. [laughter]
Right. Right.
>> You were looking for custodian.
>> Custodian.
>> Oh, thank you.
>> Custodian. That's right.
>> There you go.
>> And he spoke Spanish. English was not
his language, but he could he could
speak.
>> That's not ours either.
>> He could speak a little bit of English,
you know. Um, and he said, "Come in.
Come in." All right. So, he said, "Sit
right here and I'll be with you in a
minute." And he went and he did some
more cleaning and he came back. He goes,
"Follow me." So, I followed him. He led
me up the stairs to the top level of the
yeshiva down the hall to the right last
room on the right and he says sh there
was a bunk bed and with one someone
sleeping on the top and there was two
other beds you know buckram right older
buck she older buckram right 20 and
[clears throat] uh and the bottom bunk
was open he goes that's your bed in in
broken English okay that's your bed he
goes here the closet see the section of
the closes that's yours See these two
drawers? These drawers are yours. I
said, "Oh, thank you very much. I
appreciate it." He goes, "No problem."
He turns around, he disappears. And I go
to sleep that night. Okay. In the
morning that we're waking up for diving
and uh in the middle of Shamanray, I
look and I see that uh um I found
basically I found out that he was not a
Spanish immigrant. He was he was from
Spain, but he was a g he was a g. And he
took on the idea of cleaning all night
air of chabas Thursday night. And he
gave me his bed and his closet and his
and his drawer.
>> Wow.
>> Gave it to me and I never saw him again
cuz that was his last day. That evening
he left Araf Shabas. He went back to
Spain.
>> You never seen him since?
>> Never saw him since. Abraham. I wonder
what happened to him. I think he became
a rabbi in in Spain. Abraham Amikai.
>> Well, you could say thank you now to
him. He's he's probably gonna be
watching.
>> Arai, if you're out there, thank you
very much. Little things like that
change the course of people's lives.
>> That's really amazing.
>> Yeah, that's one of the miracles I had
there. So, uh,
>> it's funny because I'm asking you for
things that were challenging and you're
hitting me right back with things that
are inspiring and I I like it.
>> That's right. That's right.
>> I like where this is going.
>> The inspiration, every inspirational
thing changes people's lives. left,
right, forward, unbelievably bad things
can also happen, you know, but uh by and
large I I'll tell you what really helped
how good the food was. You know, people
always ask me even today, how could you
become from don't you miss the food? You
know, pork and [clears throat]
and crab and squid and all that stuff. I
said, well, in those days, I really
didn't eat that much of that stuff
anyway. Okay, h lamb chops and I mean
pork chops. Yeah, I used to have, you
know, stuff like that. But it doesn't
compare to Shabas food. I can't I my
first Shabas I was at the camp. I was
blown away. I It was almost like a
spiritual experience. I never had kala
before. I had bread but never kala. So
soft baked in the bakery kitchen at the
uh the camp from an expert baker and
geila fish with cranes on it. I never
had such a thing. and and the schnitle
it was it was unbelievable.
I didn't even when I became before I
became fum okay I had junk but I never
had that that that
quality of food. So I never never missed
um the the food from before I became
religious. Never missed it.
>> Is there anything that you miss?
>> No. But it does lead me to a very
exciting story.
>> Let me hear
>> very funny funny story and it's
embarrassing another if it's a little
embarrassing it means it's going to be a
good story. That's it. I'm ready.
>> Okay. So, this is a whole another thing.
This is going to open a Pandora's box
because I haven't mentioned this person
yet. Um, and it's going to have to be
another interview probably if you want
me to talk more about him. Uh, he's also
a part large part in my life. I had a
friend who was a Muslim. Now, I never
had a Muslim friend. I never knew a
Muslim. And I was scared of Muslims
because when I was 13, I saw I was
watching on TV when the Munich Olympics
happened and the Jews were murdered. The
wrestling [clears throat] team and the
weightlifting team, they were murdered.
I saw it happening live in black and
white. And I'll never forget uh John
McCabe, who was the sports newscaster,
famous with tears in his eyes looking at
the right at me from the screen said,
"They're gone. They're all gone." I had
affected me so much. I was 13 years old
and I never and that gave me my Jewish
identity the first time. Made me feel
like I'm Jewish and afraid a little bit
throughout high school. I never let
people know I was Jewish. They probably
figured it out. But I never came out. I
I hid my Judaism because I was
embarrassed. I said people don't like
Jews, so I'm just going to stay quiet
about it if I and if I ever went on a
date, which I really didn't do until I
was in college, but I would if I would
never tell a girl I'm Jewish, you know?
I just felt so uncomfortable. So
that sets me up for the story. So I'm at
Sonoma State University with my
scholarship working out. We're about two
weeks in and coach and coach Mundy says
we have a new gymnast that were
recruited from Iran. He was on the he
was on the Iranian team. He was actually
on the Iranian Olympic team which was a
garbage team because it's easy to make
the Olympics when you're if you're from
Iran, right? [laughter]
So but he was on the team. So he um came
to Sonoma State and he was on the team.
His name was Muhammad Resza Hussein Zad.
Four Muslim names. His nickname was
Farhad, but if the and most people I
called him Farhad, but people didn't
know him. We'd call him Fred.
So I stayed away from him because he was
a Muslim and I was I was afraid of him.
I stayed back. if we were in line for
parallel bars, which is one of the
events to to practice with coach Lundy
watching and helping us out, I would
stay three, four people behind him to
take my turn. I didn't want to be near
him. I was afraid.
And uh and that's just the way it was
for the he was there for two weeks,
three weeks. I didn't say hello to him.
I didn't speak to him. I just stayed
away. And he probably felt something
about me also because I was staying away
from him. He probably felt I didn't like
him. I'm assuming. Then one day he was
on parallel bars and he kicked up into a
handstand on the parallel bars. Okay.
And all of a sudden in the middle of
this he went like this.
I said, "What?" And I don't know why he
used my name. He goes, "Frank." And he
falls falling off the parallel bars onto
a mat. He's not hurt, but he's wiggling
around like a crazy worm. He goes,
"Frank, help me. Help me, Frank. Help
me, Frank." I said I said, "What is it,
Farh? What's the matter?" He goes,
"Help." I said, "What do you want me to
do?" He goes, "GRAB THE HAIR ON MY LEG
AND PULL IT." All right. So I said,
"What? Grab it." So I take a hu a tuft
of hair and I go and he goes,
"Thank you, Frank. Thank you." Again,
AGAIN,
[snorts]
thank you. Thank you.
[laughter]
I So what happened? He had a muscle
spasm that was totally out of control.
You know, even muscle spasms sometimes
that that hurts like hell, right?
>> If you pull the hair out, it helps.
>> So, he had this technique if you pull
the hair out, it helps.
>> I never heard of such a thing. Never.
>> I heard of eating a banana.
>> That Yeah, cuz of potassium, right?
>> Yeah.
>> But how do you get immediate relief from
a muscle spasm? I can never get
immediate relief. I don't know how to do
that. But he apparently it worked for
him. So, it was a mystery. cuz he ended
he ended up becoming my best friend. So
now I'm best friends with a Muslim. By
the way, just to confirm this, many
years later, in 2006, I got married to
my wife who's from Iran. A Jew from
Iran.
>> Look at you. Wow. [laughter] Full
circle.
>> It's crazy, right?
>> So my wife's name is Mitra. Her last
name, her maiden name is David Gola. And
all of her sisters and family moved to
Muny. They all became froen. So my
wife's sister's husband, his name is
Beerus, from Iran. So I've become very
close with him and over the year and one
about 10 years ago I asked him I wanted
to find out about this. I said is it
true that if you pull the hair on your
leg if you have a muscle spasm it works.
He goes yeah
it it's true
>> cuz all the women do it too.
>> That I don't [laughter] know. I don't
want to go there but yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow. So I I'm still curious why he
called your name. There's so many people
on that line behind him.
>> I do not know. To this day I don't know.
To this day I do not.
>> He trusted you for some reason. for some
reason and I don't know why but but
here's the weird thing. We became best
friends and we got a job together
working for Neil Shooter which is a
landscape contractor for major
corporations big factory buildings so we
worked for him for a season and he sent
us
okay so and and we were the only like
citizens. Fair HUD was a citizen.
Everyone else was like uh Hispanics and
every once in a while you'd see a van
coming and capture a bunch of Hispanics
and take them away because they're
illegals. Right. At the on Thanksgiving
he had like a hundred employees working
out in the in in in different uh um
flower beds and you know decoration
outdoor decorations. So um one day it
was it was Thanksgiving. It was the e
the day before Thanksgiving. A big van
comes in, opens the van, and it's full
of turkeys. And he gave out a 100
turkeys. So all they always gathered,
all gathered for this, and they all gave
out 100 turkeys to everybody, okay? All
the Hispanics, and they're so happy to
take these big turkeys home. And then we
were last. We were always last because
we were new, we're new to the company,
right? We were didn't have any respect.
We were last. And by the time they got
to us, they ran out of turkeys. But they
did have canned hams.
Now I'm a Jew and he's a Muslim.
[laughter]
He goes, "I can't believe it, Frank. I
can't believe it." Right? So he gave me
his Now I'm Jewish, but he gave me two.
So I had two canned hams. So we were
renting an apartment at the time and we
I put the canned hands up in a high
closet. Didn't see it for a few months,
you know. And then one day, this is a
little bit of an embarrassing story. I'm
not religious at the time. One day we
the two of us come home and we're
exhausted and we're hungry and we're
tired and I and there's nothing to eat.
I said, "I'm going to have some ham." He
goes, "Don't do it, Frank." I said, "I
have to. I have to. I'm starving." He
goes, "Frank, don't do it." I take that
canned ham and has comes with a key. Put
the key in the middle. You start turning
it and unwraps the metal top like rolls
it out, right? And then then the smell
of the pork, the ham wafts through the
apartment. And he goes, "Frank, please
don't. I can't take it, Frank. Don't do
it." I said, "I'm going to do it.
Don't." I take a fork. Oh, no. I take a
knife and I cut a strip of that pork of
that ham. I pick it up and it's dangling
from my finger. He goes, "Please make
don't do it." And I go like this. I'm
I'm I'm milking it for all it. I go like
this.
Don't do it. And I eat it. He goes He
looks at me like this. He goes, "I'm
more Jewish than you."
>> Where is this dude now?
>> Okay. So, first of all, best friends
means we did everything together. We
were like brothers, the Muslim and the
Jew. We were like brothers. We doubled
dated. We did gymnastics on the same
gymnastics team. We studied together,
ate to we did everything together. We
boarded, roommed together. He was my my
brother. And that's it. That we it was
great. It was a really great friendship
I had with with this Muslim, right? Um,
but after I became from, I was in
communication with him a couple times,
but I never saw him again. And then I
lost contact, unfortunately.
I think now I know where he's at through
through AI and through my my nephew,
who's a a computer wiz. He thinks that
he may have found him. Believe it or
not, I don't know yet. I have to This
was about two months ago. He told me
this. I think I may have found him. And
and it all adds up. It looks like it's
him. This is the proper name. I couldn't
find him because of the name of there's
too many Muhammad Resa hosen zades.
Okay. And uh now we have technology to
to find. So he believe it or not if this
is the right guy and it looks like it is
he lives in Brooklyn.
He gotten involved in in clothing
industry and selling clothing stores and
um successes and failures. Now he's in
Brooklyn and he married a Korean girl. I
thought you say Jew. [laughter]
So there's a story to that. I had a
reunion after I was married and and I
got all my gymnastic buddies together to
visit my mom's house and we all met at
my mom's house and we had a nice
reunion. Fairhod was there. Other many
of the guys from the gym we had a great
time and my wife was there wearing a
tickle. I was wearing a yarmaka. They're
all Fairhad saw me with Muhammad Reszo
saw me with a yamaka for the first time.
He goes, "I can't believe it, Frank.
You're Jewish." He knew I was Jewish,
but I became religious. He always wanted
to become more religious. I don't think
he ever did, thank God. But he always
felt becoming more religious is a good
thing. From a secular mind, it's like a
good thing to become religious sort of,
but if you're actually really religious
Muslim, it's a bad thing. You know, I
think so. Um, at the meeting he met my
wife and they they talked privately for
a little while in Farsy in the Persian
language. And, uh, and after he spoke
with my wife, he and the party was over,
he wanted to meet with me privately. He
goes, "Frank, please. I want you to help
me." I said, "What is it, Fairhead?" He
goes, "I want to marry Jewish." So, I
just, you know, didn't I just didn't
give him too much to think about, you
know.
>> Wow. I, you know, that would be some
reunion, by the way, getting you back
together with him.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I I have to do I have to
get the courage and just uh I have I
have a number. I may have may have
changed it already, but I I have to see
what I could do about it. I should I
really should.
>> I want to do this with you.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Okay, I'm going to be along the
ride for this [laughter] journey because
uh Brooklyn's my stomping ground,
>> right?
>> We lived around the corner from uh some
of the masterminds of some of the worst
disasters in the world. I mean, they
they they did uh arrest some people
around the corner from where I grew up
in a mosque.
>> Wow.
>> Or uh the f first World Trade Center uh
bombing, you know, remember in the uh
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, uh
>> like 19 90 something,
>> something like that. Yeah. It would be
interesting to to figure that out.
Fiveish. There's a lot that we're
uncovering and that's right. There's
much more
>> and and I'm appreciating it and and I
really uh you know it means a lot to me
that you're going through this process
because I get to uncover your world and
such amazing parts of it and the uh
signs of Hashem and the inspiration and
you becoming religious. So I want to
expand on that a little bit more.
>> You asked me before anything did bother
me. So I refused throughout my time at
my yeshiva which is about 2 years. I
refused to wear black and white or a
hat.
>> This is kyako.
>> Kolyako. Yeah. I ref I wore jeans and a
t-shirt with tits under the t-shirt you
know. Um I just I did I became I was
learned all day long morning to night.
Rashiva saw an asset in me because I was
a comic acrobat and he used me in a good
way to to mar people and I traveled. So
there a lot of good things that
happened. I did a lot of shows. I
started making a name for myself without
even trying you know um everyone wanted
me at their oh god in my I the all
wanted me and the lifisha all wanted me
to perform at their for five minutes I'd
go in I'd do a five minute in in the
circle and then get out but they all
wanted me and I got paid for it you know
so uh one day uh someone said I really
want you to do the for my cousin in New
Square which I did and they liked very
much. So I said, "Okay." And he paid me
and it No, he he didn't pay me yet. He's
going to pay me after the performance.
He got a taxi for me, set me up, and
brought me to New Square to the Big Sh.
And he gave me a room to change in. It
was in the old days, so it was a little
different. And he gave me a changing
room. He says, "When I come and get you,
you'll have five, you have like three or
four more minutes, and then we're going
to open the doors. You're going to go
into the sh." I said, "Great." So I got
in my costume, my makeup, all my props,
everything ready. He comes, he goes,
"It's time." So, I went to the entrance
but waited. He says it could be about
three more minutes. During that time,
um, a group a kid came and saw me,
right? Like maybe 10 years old. And he
looked at me like I'm from Mars. He
never saw such a thing. Remember,
there's no internet in those days.
There's no YouTube to see. Everyone is
knows no one's naive anymore. Everyone
is totally experienced in the from world
now, unfortunately. And nothing
impresses them as much as it did then.
So, this little kid looked at me, his
jaw dropped, and he looked like me. I'm
from Mars. So, I saw that and I thought
maybe I'll break the ice and I squeezed
my nose and made a squeak sound and the
kid got frightened and ran away. Came
back about 30 seconds later with 20 kids
[laughter] and they all crowded me
looking at me like this specimen.
Finally, the doors open. He goes, "It's
time." So, I go running in there to do
my show with my suitcase and my juggling
clubs and I start juggling. And all of a
sudden, in the middle of like three or
four jugs, two must have been 6'5. They
were giants. Came up to me, grabbed my
arms, lifted me in the air, so my feet
were dangling, and walked me outside and
closed the door. It turned out that it
was the grandson of the big reba of New
Square. And this was not really
appropriate. Okay. I never had hurt hard
feelings. As a matter of fact, I'm happy
because it's a great story, you know.
But, uh, that was just the that's just a
funny funny thing that happened. Um,
yeah. So, that's basically a lot of good
things happened. I my career I always
had money like a lot of the Bakum they
didn't have money while they're in
yeshiva.
>> Well full circle to the now you're
servicing them.
>> That's right.
>> So I I I'd like to get into that in a
minute. Sure. So I actually uh have a
little bit bit of experience with this.
I employed once uh someone who was 17
years old and he wasn't accepted into
yeshiva anymore because he was lifting
weights.
>> Right.
>> And it didn't make sense to me at the
time of course like what do you mean
you're you're you're getting kicked out
of your
It's goes, right?
>> So, [laughter]
so he he came to work for me like, you
know, right?
>> Like, uh, like that'll be any better for
his life, you know, in the gyish world.
Yeah.
>> So, um, I experienced that process, but
>> take me through what you're going
through now. So, you're you're you're a
gymnast now. You're teaching people how
to do these flips and, you know, what's
the purpose of it? What are they coming
to you for? How did this happen? Take me
through this process.
>> Sure. So, I uh um I got diabetes about
10 years ago because I was very much
overweight. I'm 50 pounds o heavier than
I am now. And I mean, I'm overweight
right now. I have another 50 to go, but
I'll get there. But I was overweight and
I got diabetes and I had stopped
coaching. I was just too tired. Too
tired. Always sick. Inflammation all
over my body from the diabetes, side
effects happening from the diabetes,
joints, everything. So, I kind of like
was becoming a couch potato. I felt very
bad about it. I felt guilty as a
husband, guilty as a father that I
wasn't have no energy to do anything. I
was a good father to my first son, my
second son. Now that I have diabetes,
I'm not able to be a good father to him
and to do things with him. I felt so
bad, but that's the way it was. And then
uh and that was a way it was about a
year and a half ago. I started losing
weight before this. I lost 25 lbs. I
lost 50 lbs before this happened because
once you know you have diabetes, you can
start taking medications. I didn't take
the shots. I lost most of my weight, my
50 pounds without the shots. But, you
know, now now I am taking the the shots
and I haven't seen much success with it
yet, even though I'm at the highest
level. But the point is um
uh I decided I have to change my life,
started working out. But about a
about 10 months ago, maybe 11 months
ago, my wife came up to me and she said,
"Fiveish, what are you doing? you are
the greatest gymnastics coach I've ever
known or I've ever even heard of. What
are you doing? Get out there and start
teaching gymnastics again. And I said to
myself and just my eyes open, I said,
"You're right. You're right. What am I
doing?" And that's what I decided. I'm
going to reopen the original Flip
Factory, but I'm going to do it in my
basement to start off. And I and I then
from that I said, I want to inspire
myself. So I read the book called 10X.
You maybe you read it or heard about it
before. 10X is a a real estate guy who's
a billionaire at this point who says,
"Whatever you're doing now, do 10 times
more." And I did it. I went all out. Um
built my gym into a beautiful, beautiful
gymnastic center. I mean, you took a
class back in the day of fitness, but
now I've got this really beautiful place
in my basement and uh very very proud of
it. And uh and then I decided I'm I'm
going to I'm going to 10x on
advertisement. Oh, I did the community
connections. I did the uh month my view
and I did half page ads, you know, um
for almost the entire year. I I just
been pounding away attend ads and I also
did the Khhatibore, which is the
newsletter.
>> What were your ads saying? What were you
How were you marketing to people?
>> It's a guy flipping with tits beard and
hat.
>> Okay, that grabs that grabs your
attention, right? That's right. So,
you're saying, "Hey, men."
>> That's right.
>> Right. Make something of yourself. It's
a It's a It's a solo thing and build up
your strength. Uh I guess more than
physical.
>> I didn't say it in the ad.
>> Well, it looks like it though. That's
>> Yeah, I didn't say because it's
sometimes for advertisement. You know
this more than I do. It's sometimes good
to say less.
>> Sure. Less is more, which is what I'm
saying. You have a shagai flipping.
That's all you really need to say.
>> That's right.
>> So, people started calling you. Was that
just
>> Yeah. They started calling me and then
take I I I told everyone take a private
lesson be okay take a private that way I
can know where to place you or maybe you
want to continue with privates. Almost
all my citum were taking private lessons
and I got dozens and dozens of private
lessons. I also have groups and
sometimes best friends and uh they they
were afraid at first. We know what they
call and want to know what it's all
about. English is their second language.
But I'm very friendly. Like I'm talking
to you. I would talk to them very
friendly and giving and I said come come
just take one lesson there's no
obligation if you don't like it that's
the only one I don't give free lessons I
don't like the idea of come in for a
free lesson no I don't I I have to make
money so come in pay for one class and
uh and you'll decide whether you like it
or not that's what I did and it just
kept growing and growing and growing
until uh now I've got uh a lot of
students a lot of students profession
>> tell me something that you've learned
from the culture of the that you're
dealing with.
>> First of all, the culture
about five about six years ago, there is
a guy from Visionets. Okay. I taught a
boy at Sharia Resum. I used to teach a
Sharia Razim for 11 years acrobatics.
>> I didn't know this.
>> Yeah. I was the acrobatics coach Sharia
Razim 11 years. I even sent they even
went to Israel for performances.
>> For those that don't know, Rabbi Franl,
who by the way, amazing human being.
>> Yep. um designed a school, a high school
for boys with uh the whole idea, the
premise of it is to give them skills for
life. So, you know, they would have a
car and they would figure out how to
take it apart and put it together and
they would have a boat and they would do
the same thing and they would learn
lessons and so I guess he brought you in
for the gymnastics program. Well, my son
went to Sharia Razam many years ago when
he was uh he's 33 now, but when he was a
you know
15 14 15 years old, freshman and and
sophomore and uh so I already had a um
they already knew me. Um and and and
they knew somehow that I was a
gymnastics teacher, okay, and and five
years the clown or whatever. So one day
I saw Rabbi Forl at Rockland Kosher. He
was in front of me on the cash register
and he turns around, he looks at me, he
goes, he goes, "Mr. Mr. Adams. That's
the way he talks, right? Mr. Adams,
do you know how to teach Chinese
acrobats?
I said, "Yes, I do." And we struck up a
deal right then and there, and I started
working for them almost immediately for
11 years.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. And they made a lot of money.
>> Hold on a second. What's Chinese
acrobat?
>> So, you have acrobats.
>> Sure.
>> But then you have the acrobats from uh
from Asia. You know, the Chinese
acrobats uh yinyong or what? You know
>> people think Cirus Sole
>> Cirus Sole was not Chinese specifically
or Asian. No, Circus Ole was a was a
mixture of many countries even
Americans. A lot of them were ex
international level gymnasts who were
trained at Circus Ole to become circus
performers.
>> Interesting.
>> Yeah. But these were the Chinese
acrobats of a different style of
acrobatics. So basically the idea was
simply what I developed there was um
teaching them routines, exciting
routines with exciting music with
exciting acrobatics and flips and props
and costume as well. So we did some
research and we ended up buying um
Chinese martial arts costumes. Okay.
Pants, shirt, long shirt with the but
with the little pieces of wood going
down for the buttons, you know. And for
yarmakas, we had um what are they
called? Uh for the yarmaka, they had to
have yamakas that wouldn't fall off. So
we had the um brezlove yamakas, you
know, and it said MSA missif on it in
Chinese style lettering and we did we
did shows and it was great. It was
>> they did collecting once I think on prim
using that type of show.
>> That's correct. Every PM they collected
they made a lot of money. Yeah. And I
used to go with them quite
>> I would always look forward for Shah
Rosam to come knocking on my door like
>> I remember I remember um this is very
exciting. They did two shot shows for
Shiner
>> at his house. Whatever house that was.
Maybe he's moved several times. I don't
know. Okay. For Shiner and he had a
barbecue at a big thing going on, right?
They did two shows and he wrote a check
for $10,000.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. For sure. For for uh for
basically,
you know, 20 minutes of work.
>> That's awesome.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So it worked.
>> It worked. Yeah. And then they developed
it. Then they started going to
California and performing in California
to make money in California. Half the
troop and the other half in New York.
>> Nice. So I I I love what you're doing
now. I think it's great. And you're
you're I guess we have to thank you
because weddings will be more exciting
now because people know what they're
doing in the middle,
>> right?
>> You know, that's always a fun time of
break dancing and jumping around upside
down, inside out, which is cool,
>> right?
>> Um I have to rewind a little bit because
we did skip. So, I I do want to take,
you know, go back to the part of you
didn't meet your wife yet, right? You
only, you know, we were talking about
you being friends with that Muslim dude.
>> That's right.
>> Um, but you know, where you met your
wife somewhere along there and you built
your family and then you became Fish the
Clown
>> and you went through that whole process
and you did a bunch of different voices.
I'd like to hear about that part before
we wrap up.
>> So, I already performed in California
before I became from as Frankie the
Clown.
>> What's Frankie the Clown? It's a it's
it's a comic acrobat with a red no. I I
for my clown I I hesitate using the word
clown because I I relate more to Charlie
Chaplan Buster Katon vaudeville style
which was not really clowns but was
>> you know um uh
>> slapstick performing.
>> Slapstick performing. Yes.
>> So uh that that's what I I I relate to
more. So I kept my makeup at a minimum.
I had a pair of pants,
aged looking pants with patches on them
and suspenders and a and striped shirt.
>> Do you have a specific voice for Frankie
the Clown?
>> Frankie the Clown in those days was
silent.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Except for noises. I used to make noises
back in those days.
>> What type of noises?
>> Um, if something went wrong, I'd go,
"Ah,
>> okay."
>> And the kids loved that, you know. Yeah.
Whatever it was, I had so many, you
know, different things. Um, I did a an
act where I gotten to fight with a fly,
you know, and it it's almost a life and
death fun interaction with a fly
sometimes winning, me sometimes winning,
invisible fly. It was pantoime. Sure.
>> And I made up the noise.
That's all very simple, but it was
effective,
you know,
>> and a whole tugof-war and the fly
forcing me into flips because I was an
acrobat. was able to do comic flips. As
a matter of fact,
um, back to just for a moment. Right
now, I'm very excited. I'm training I'm
training two brothers. It's called the
Fromuititz Boys. They're from New Square
and they're are going to be within the
next five to six months the next Twins
from France.
>> Whoa. Okay. That's a big statement right
there.
>> It's a big statement.
>> I remember the twins from France. They
were very, [clears throat] very
entertaining.
>> That's correct. And now and then they
went away for a while and now they're
making a comeback. So, they are doing
some shows again and I think some
videos. Okay. So, they are making a
comeback, but they're getting old.
They're probably close to 40 now. Maybe
they are 40.
>> Okay.
>> By the way, when the twins from France
first came to America, it must have been
19 I don't know exactly, but when they
first came to America, um, they came to
me to be trained and I trained them one
class and I taught them how to do a
front flip off of a mini trampoline, a
circus mini trampoline. And it was about
an hour class, the two of them, and
they've used it ever since. But they
never came back. But I had a reunion
with one of them at Wesley Kosher about
five months ago. It was a very warm
reunion. Very nice. I said, "Come to my
gym. I'll train you some more."
>> So you have the Fromwoods boys now.
>> The Fromwoods boys are going to be the
next twins.
>> Do we have a name for them or is just
the next twins? Are they twins?
>> No, they're not twins. They're brothers.
One is One is 18 and one is probably 23
or 24. Married
>> and they're all in.
>> All in. And they're from New Square. the
brothers from Square. [laughter]
>> The the the twins, they're they're the
Fromwoods boys or the Fromwoods
brothers. We haven't decided out decided
which one.
>> And uh they are going to be um it's
they're going to be great. They're
already great. Um and I'm working with
them once a week. It's a very hard
working with them because Dovy, who's
the younger one, is in yeshiva. He's 18
and he's in yeshiva every day till 10 at
night.
>> Wow. And then he comes they come to me
once a week from three to four air of
shabas every single week three to four
air of shabas.
>> You're working on a routine now building
up a
>> first for the first several months I
developed their skills as an acrobat. I
taught them pratt falls. I have some
videos of some very funny videos of them
doing crashes on um double crashes off
of a chair. Um and I've also taught them
how to do flips and twists, you know.
So, they're they're not perfect yet, but
they're getting developing their skills,
but I also have to put a show together
for them because uh they need someone.
They need a man. I'm not a manager, but
I am helping them in every way I can.
So, um yeah. So, I've already taught
them routines. They have like three or
four different routines.
>> So, this is going to be a stream of
income for them. They're going to create
this as a business.
>> That's correct. Yes. They've already
made some money. They're already very
popular in in New Square. Everyone knows
them in New Square. But the world
doesn't know them yet. and the world
will know them because they are great.
>> Okay. I look forward to seeing them at a
wedding near you.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, or a party near you. So, yeah.
So, uh we're going back to your
finishing up school. You're in Kolakov.
You're learning a lot. You're learn, you
know, you're developing as a observant
Jew. Right.
>> Right. So,
um, I am in yeshiva learning full-time
in the dorm. I've already been
performing as Favish the Clown and I
becoming starting to become famous and
I've haven't gone with Uncle Moi yet and
uh haven't made my musical tape yet. I
made a musical tape. I don't know if I
told you that called Favish the Clown
and the Sim Circus. Yeah, I think I
mentioned it. So, um, uh,
after a year and a half, after a year at
Kolyakov of learning full-time and
starting to get a handle a little bit on
the Gammora and and have been settled
in, I I told I told my Russa, I think
it's time for me to start dating cuz
honestly, I've you know, I've been away
from dating for two years and it's not
easy, right?
So, uh, they said, "Okay, we're going to
work on it right away."
So, even before they set me up with the
first person, um, I got a phone call
from a very good friend of mine who was
an ex gymnast and we're friends today,
um, Queens College. He was an ex gymnast
from Queens College. And, uh, he calls
me up. He goes, "Hello, Fivish." That's
his voice. "Hello, Fivish." I said,
"Ruvane." He says, "Fiveish,
do I have a shid for you?" Straight from
Shmayam. That's the way he talked. So he
said, "She's from Iran and her name is
Mitra and uh um I would like to set you
up with her. She's single." So he he did
he um he my my wife or um her sister,
she was she was married to a guy and
this and uh my friend Ruvane was his
friend and and the two of them together
said she would be a good shik. So, um,
they gave me the number and she was
expecting the call and I called her up
on the phone and we couldn't get off the
phone for 3 hours. You know, that's just
the way it went for me, 3 hours. And,
uh, 2 days later I called her again. We
couldn't get off the phone. I started to
suffer because again, sleep deprivation,
right? But we couldn't, you know, and
then finally we went on our first date
and it was a total disaster.
You can't imagine how bad this date was.
I mean, we got stuck in a blizzard. We
ended up um getting lost. My contact
lenses got fogged and I almost got in a
terrible accident. And she goes, "Watch
out." It was it was like so bad. And
then we ended up finally uh the pl I was
told by my from guy, a yeshiva shag guy,
go to this place. I went to this place.
He says, "It's a great place for to take
a date. All men and goyam in there." And
I said, "It must be in the back." And my
wife's walking through all these guys
looking at her. I said, "Oh, this is
terrible." So, we went walked out into
the blizzard. What are we going to do?
Let's go see a movie. So, the movies are
already closed. It's after midnight
already. So, what are we going to do? I
was I said, "I'm so sorry. We're
supposed to have food and everything."
She goes, "I have an idea." She Sheard
of a place called Jerusalem Pizza
>> on 42nd Street or something like that,
you know, Broadway
>> Broadway 42nd, I don't know, some it was
a famous famous pizza place for the for
the yidden, right? So, we ended up going
there and
it just kept getting worse and worse. My
friend Ruain said, "If you're ever going
to go out on a date and and you go to a
pizza place, he goes, "Don't get a
falafel."
I end up getting a falafel. Right in the
middle of eating it, it got wet and it
collapsed right on my suit. Everything
went everywhere. All right. And then it
came time to a bench. So, I didn't know
how to bench by heart yet. And there was
no benches anywhere. I said, I went to
the counter. I said, ' Don't you have
benches? We used to, but we keep losing
them. Said, "No, we don't have."
[clears throat] So, I don't know what to
do. My wife knew how to bench because
Iran, they know these kind of things.
She already knew Hebrew and all that.
So, what am I going to do? I'm
embarrassed that I don't know how to
bench. It's a bula thing, you know,
because being a little embarrassed about
things. So, I started walking around
from table to table. Do you have a ben?
Um, do you have a bencher? No. Do you
have a bench? No. And I went to this one
table had like 10 people on it. one guy
with a black hat, right? Pulled down in
front a little bit, really cool. And the
rest were all girls. This one guy and
like nine girls at a table. So I went up
to him and I said, "Would you happen to
have a bencher?" And he goes like this.
Is this the camera right here? He goes
like this.
Why don't you know how to bench by
heart?
And I said, "Um, no, I don't." And you
know why? Because I'm a bulcha. And he
went like this.
Sorry about that. Sorry about that. And
the girls went, "Really? Really?" It was
like the weirdest thing. So, so I ended
up having to fake it and then we left
and I ended up going the wrong way.
Ended into like a horrible neighborhood
of all crimeridden neighborhood. I make
a wrong turn and we couldn't get out and
we saw a dummy hanging by its neck. A
dummy hanging by its neck from a
telephone pole. My wife goes, "Get out
of your fiveish. get out of here. So,
that was our first date and then it got
better after that. But here's the funny
thing is my wife didn't know I was a
clown. And while we were dating, I
performed at Brooklyn College with with
Morai MDavid afreed
um country Yasi Mosha Yas all the famous
guys were there. Um even some Israeli
performer I can't remember his name. and
and I did a really great show. It was
like a 20-minute performance and my wife
was in the audience and then she saw me
for the first time performing.
[laughter]
>> She didn't know and she didn't know you
were there.
>> She didn't know I was there.
>> Wow.
>> I didn't know she was going to be there
either.
>> It's a way it's a way to break the news,
>> right?
>> Just pop up on Was it like a H concert
type of thing or one of those type of
>> I don't remember. That's pretty uh
>> pretty big uh stuff you got going on.
That's right. Big people, pretty big
names. Yeah. Do you know Aram Rosenberg?
>> Sure.
>> Little Zemer boy choir.
>> Yeah, of course.
>> So, um I also worked with him in
training his students in unicycling and
tumbling. I also worked with him and him
and I have become been friends for 40
years.
>> Oh, that's when you know that's back
when they the choirs used to put on
performances.
>> That's right.
>> Like legit performances. It was like fun
to go to these concerts.
>> That's right. His choir was great. I
mean Absolutely.
>> I I haven't heard music like that since.
is really beautiful.
>> Yeah. A and I are good friends.
>> Very nice.
>> Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Wow. Okay. So, obviously you guys fall
fall in love, you get married, start
your life.
>> That's right. So, when people ask, so um
how did you meet? I always say she's
from Iran. I'm from California and we
California and we went met right in the
middle in my [laughter]
>> It's quite the middle. Quite the middle.
Wow. Um, I have to tell you these are uh
amazing uh journeys that people have
that I listen to and um
>> Sure.
>> hearing your background and where you're
from and all the things that are
exciting in your life and it it's
amazing to me because I've known you for
quite some time and yes, I did take a
lesson in your uh gym years ago and you
know the first time I walked in I was
like this guy has a lot of energy.
That's just that's the one thing that
you stand out right away is the energy
that you have. But
>> right
>> knowing the background and what you went
through is uh it's it's pretty amazing
to me.
>> Is there anything else that um in terms
of your history and having your kids and
growing up and uh you know being as a
Baltua like you mentioned and the family
living in California and moving and you
said you hitchhiked and you did you know
solo uh backpacking trips.
>> Yeah, solo backpacking trips. anything
else in uh that you look back and
knowing who you are now and I'm saying
this in terms of not in a negative way
but you you just you just had another a
wakeup call in your life. You just
mentioned that you went through diabetes
and now you're you know you're going
through that in a person in his 60s you
know which is like reborn again and
again and again. anything that stands
out in your history that you say, you
know, this is a lesson that I've learned
that is something that people should be
aware of or something that I can take
out from this and I mean, there's so
much that you said already that I can,
but is there anything specific that you
want to share with me that happens or uh
that happened throughout your life that
you say this is something important, a
takeaway from looking back at your life?
Well, I'd like to say that I like to
give devour sometimes, you know, for
wedding for chevraas and things like
that. And uh so I use my background. I
have a lot of um stories and and that
are fun and exciting, a lot of different
things I've learned that most people
haven't learned. Um because my I had
unique hobbies besides gymnastics and
and and all that. I also have some
certain unique hobbies and uh I'm able
to use those a lot when I when I give a
devar tour and I think people appreciate
that very much. Um yeah, I don't talk
about t in those kind of lessons in
public. This is like really the first
time I've talked about it really in
public like this. Um
but uh
you know I I don't know. [laughter]
Um
I do I do help my adult students more
than even my my child students with you
know see a coach is supposed to talk has
a coach is supposed to have wisdom and I
believe our experiences our unique
experiences if you can find a way to
help people um either with motivation or
warnings like with my diabetes or you
know to how to eat properly what to
avoid sugar is absolute killer
you know, um, if you can help people in
a way that's palatable for them, you
know, and you have to be very careful
because a lot of people, if I talk to an
obese person about it, uh, I don't want
to hurt their feelings and I don't want
to push them away. So, you have to it's
a big balancing act and I think I'm
really good at that balancing act. Um,
they I I they gain trust in me a lot. I
have a student who comes motas from
10:30 p.m. to 11:30 p.m. I'm open for
I'm open for yeshivas, you know, I have
special hours so that they have an
opportunity to come. That's why, you
know, base measures boys or people in
10th grade, they 12th grade, they can't
get out of yes till 9:30. So they some
of them they have to take a taxi to my
house. So I have classes 10:30 at night
for them, you know. So um I have a boy
he's 17 years old and he comes to me
mozi shabas and he is special needs
and one of the worst situations is he
doesn't trust anybody. He never does
anything. He doesn't work with anybody.
He can't work with people because he
doesn't has a very big trust issue. And
uh he completely and totally trusts me.
We have become friends. I think it's
because he knows that I truly care about
him. I really do. and and and I and
and we have a great relationship and
he's he's been coming for me for like 6
months now. Never misses never misses a
class and he's growing. I have videos of
him when he started. He also has
physical special needs. When he started
he couldn't he couldn't even jump on a
rope, jump rope even one time. Now he's
able to do 50 non-stop without a
mistake.
He didn't know how to skip. Now he knows
how to skip. He didn't know how to do a
front roll. He's just starting to do
front roll down an incline mat. This is
an amazing thing. By the way, a lot of
gymnastics coaches don't have the don't
have the patience to teach special needs
or even beginner gymnastics because um
if if gymnastics came too easy to a
gymnast, he's not going to be a great
teacher. You have to have problems. You
have to have issues. So, my biggest
issue has been me gaining weight, not
being able to do it anymore. In fact,
the greatest gymnastics coach on the
planet who brought more people to the
Olympics from Russia. He brought uh the
great Nadia Kich to the Olympics. He was
her coach. His name is Bella Coroli. He
was he was never a gymnast and he's fat.
The greatest gymnastics coach on the
planet.
>> What do you think's the secret?
>> If you can't do it, you have to find if
you you can't do it yourself, you have
to and how you can't show it. You have
to find another way to teach it. if you
can't show it. So, he's become an expert
of finding ways to teach it. And I
believe I'm that way as well. I I I find
ways to be able to teach it by by
getting by my own problems of not being
able to do it anymore, but also having
real understanding of the needs of the
person you're teaching. you know the how
do how do I how do you break down a
skill to its fundamentals and even when
the fundamentals are too much how do you
break down the fundamental and
subfundamentals to be able to make them
feel that they can accomplish something
and then feel really good about it you
know you have to really break things
down and then and as soon as they feel
success their eyes shine it's an amazing
thing
>> I think uh you know what I've what I've
learned from this is that plus what you
mentioned earlier that you care and It's
very evident in the way you're
discussing it.
>> A coach is different than a teacher,
>> right? Which is what, you know, looking
back at this conversation. Um, I like to
end uh, you know, with what I've learned
from this is that that is really one of
the uh, big prized possessions that I'm
going to take from this conversation is
in life just being a coach. You know,
there's so many things that you want to
teach people and uh, if we can just
replace the word teach with coach, I
think we would have a bigger impact on
the people around us.
>> Interesting. Yeah.
>> Coaching them instead of teaching them.
coaching them by showing them you care,
coaching them by, you know, having
patience. And that's something that I've
learned from you also, right? You know,
just learning the experience of
Balachuva and, you know, what you've
been through and just being a little bit
more sensitive to knowing that a person
that just needs a bencher can be someone
who just learned how to bench.
>> That's right.
>> And uh, you know, being sensitive to
that. So, I appreciate this conversation
tremendously. Do you have any questions
for me before we wrap?
>> Well, I'll say one thing in conclusion.
I am also an author and I've written
five books. Two of them are now
published. They're for sale on Amazon.
And uh you can look up Frank Michael
Adams. That's my full name. That's my
author's name on Amazon. They're secular
books, but they're
>> What are the books about?
>> These are for um ages 9 through adult.
Okay. But they are um one is called The
Adventures of Fiveish the Clown. It's
not about me though. I just use the name
because it's an entertaining name and I
use my experience as a clown to make it
very very exciting. Okay. Okay. So, it's
Adventures of Five the Clown. It's these
are these are fiction. Sure.
>> Okay. Fiction, very exciting stories,
paperback novels. And the other one is
The Magical Mr. Sid. Um, it's about a
teenager who is becoming the greatest
magician in the world and goes through
life-threatening situations in order to
accomplish it and what happens to him.
It's a it's there. I've been told that
people have become readers. The young
teens, 10 yearear-olds have become
readers because they read my books.
>> I love this. I have a son that's an
aspiring magician. So, I'm going to get
this book for He's 17.
>> Okay.
>> We're going to we're going to definitely
put your links in the description if
anyone get wants to get a hold of you.
I'm I'm loving the idea that you're
available for times that are convenient
for others. Great
>> so that people can utilize your services
from that regard and uh if they want to
read uh any of your books, which uh
definitely going to buy that one
>> and and go through it. So, you know, I
appreciate that. And the fact that you
had the patience to put pen to paper and
write a book, like, wow, that's
>> Yeah,
>> that's a tremendous accomplishment. So,
congratulations to you.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
>> Uh, any questions for me before we wrap
up.
>> Uh, give my regards to uh, Tvia and
Zelman. [laughter]
>> Well, Naftali Zelman is going to be our
super fan of the week because he is the
one that recommended you this week. So,
uh, we appreciate it. Um,
>> thank you.
>> Yeah. I know I I just like to give
people opportunity to ask me questions
if you have any, but if you don't have
any, that's totally okay. Don't worry
about [laughter] it. We'll save it for
off the air.
>> Okay.
>> Um and um I think from the conversation
also, I would like to get Rabbi Frl here
to do uh
>> Absolutely. Right. Yeah.
>> Like he would be a good pick.
>> That would be great.
>> Right. You think you can ask him for us?
>> I haven't spoken to him in a few years,
you know, but uh I think I could.
>> Yeah,
>> I think I could. Sure.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to go visit him
actually and uh catch up because we have
a lot of things to share.
>> Well, let's make that happen. And and I
appreciate and thank you to subscribers
and all our listeners and to the prime
source production team and this has been
an amazing conversation. I really
appreciate it. Fish, I wish you a
blessed new year and a wonderful holiday
season because we're going to be off the
ear for a couple of weeks during the
holidays and uh we'll be back in a gif.
Okay, that's a wrap.
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