Riding for Chesed With Uri Kirschner

both right. It's the reality. No, no. Either one of us is right. You have to take a side. Give me a minute to make my argument. I don't either appreciate that. Do me a favor. By the way, take a side. Don't play both sides. Don't Don't play K. I will. [Music] None of your business, Oshi. None of your business, Michael. It's the None of Your Business podcast hosted by Michael and Oshi. Welcome back everybody to another fantastic episode of the None of Your Business podcast. Thank you again to the Prime Source production team for always being there by our side and making sure this train is going down the right track. Does that make sense? It's the first time you I know where you whip that out from. I know. I just like it. Why are you trying something new? I was thinking of a train. Do this for a long time. Honestly, it was working. Everything was working seamlessly. Last night in Ohio, you whip out some train track. I woke up at 4 in the morning from a a train and I couldn't believe it. It was just random. But anyways, uh we are joined here by a new guest, guys. Uri Kersner. Uri, welcome to the program. Uri, you're a longtime Wesley Hills resident. Did you grow up in Wesley Hills? No. No. Moved to Wesley Hills like almost 30 years ago. Oh, okay. Straight from Brooklyn, but I grew up in Washington Heights. So, you're a Yucky, I guess. I am. Okay. That's a fun fact, by the way, that most people, I think, know, right? If you're in Washington Heights, you're a Yaki. So, Uri, um, you know, I see you around a lot and, uh, you're a very popular guy in the community. Oh, thank you not only because you work out every day probably and uh but also because you have this 100 ride that's coming up soon and I I I want to hopefully get to that. I appreciate all the gear that you brought for us today. It's She looks really good in it. I really I look good on anything. No, that looks good. But these colors are really like standing out. Like it's it's noticeable, very discernable. Yeah. And it fits very nicely in my head, I have to say. And uh I'm getting a lot of stuff lately, Michael. My closet's filling up. I have all different uh various caps and and sweatshirts and polo shirts. I don't want to compete with prime source stuff, but looks good together. Yeah. Yeah. Prime I wear this by this is obligatory. I have to wear this. But uh this is very comfortable. I like it. Thank you for bringing it. So, you have anything else? I live at three court. Just shipping. Tons of stuff. So, there's a lot of things that I know about you, a lot of things that I don't know you about you. I I'll tell you, I did a little bit of research online. There is another Uri Kersner that's an attorney. Get out. His middle name is Alfred. Do you have a middle name? No, that is me. Is that you? That is me. There is no Alfred Gerser. Well, I hope it's a good one cuz it couldn't be another Uri Alfred. And I have to say like my I would never have thought that my middle name would have come out on this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you chat GPTU and it comes up. Yeah. Okay. There you go. A lot of interesting things came up. Some of which I'm not going to mention here. Oh, great. No, I'm just kidding. Always um you mentioned, you know, from the Yakish community, they they always Stephan can tell you they uh they like those middle names which are very embarrassing. Really? Is that a thing? Mhm. What's the most embarrassing middle name? My sister was, you know, Margaret Gretchen and you know, you don't you don't use those nowadays, right? Yes. Yes. Mildred. Yes. Exactly. Yes. Stefan Charles. Oh, was it Charles? Oh, really? That's not so bad. They Well, his father loved all the uh royal love. Are you a Tannerville guy also? That's big time. I'm glad you bring that up. Big time. I'm the president of the Shul there. Wow. You wearing a lot of hats. A lot of hats. Lot of hat. You're a real estate attorney. Real estate attorney. Right. Your middle name is Alfred, right? You're Yucky from Washington Heights. What? And Tannerville and Yucky for some reason go hand in hand. Yes. Why is that? What what happened there? That's a great question. Um Rav Buer, it really starts with him. Rav Buer who was my great great my greatgrandfather. Um when he came from Germany and lived brought the community from Germany to Washington Heights. He they needed someone to go for the summers. So he started going to Hunter which everyone knows from Hunter Mountain. So he started going to Hunter for a few years and then and they had actually a sher. You're talking a long time ago over over a hundred years ago. Um around in the 1950s, not 100 years ago. And uh he moved a few miles over. He started going to Tannisville and with some other families they started the shul um called Anasharin and he became the rabbi there. So because Rabbi Buer was there, a lot of people from Washington Heights started going with him because Washington Heights isn't a place you really want to be during the summers. Just not a pleasant place during the summers. I got to tell you, I was there once for a weekend. It's not a place you want to be at weekend either. Not great during the winter. You been to Washington Heights ever? I know so little about the Yankee history community. All I know and I'm sorry I hope I'm not I don't want to offend you or anything like that but when I like think about Yakis there's something off there. There's something like they're very different. I can tell you I they're almost like in their own little stratosphere doing their own thing. Are they dare I say practicing a different religion in a lot of ways? I get what you're saying but it it starts with Rasham Shafal. I don't know if you know that. I've heard the name. So Rashan Falh is more let's say wellknown from Germany. He was very very strong against the reform movement. He really maintained orthodoxy throughout Germany and he was the reason why orthodoxy survived. His grandson was RV broer. Ruer was Rav Shamsh's grandson who brought that ideology of Tom into America. But what is that ideology? Like what do they do different? Like what do they stand for that's unique? Like what makes someone like what are some of their traditions? What are some of their characteristics? Like what? It really does start from and Stephan is really sorry. What does that mean? Say it though. I'll tell it to you. So was really the um the I don't want to use the tagline. It was the basis of so much of what was standing for and fighting for which was how do you align from kite orthodoxy in a modern world it's very hard. So when enlightenment and Haskello was very popular in Germany, we were losing Jews constantly, right? The the Jewish people were getting lost to all the modern and um enlightened German. So Rab Sham had to find a way to say listen the Torah works within the modern world and he showed how Torah is let's say your job your practice your work but that Torah works with it and not just that Torah works with it but that everything is found in Torah. He always said that Torah is the blueprint for the world. So whether you're a doctor or a lawyer or a gym guy or a biker, anything can be done within the parameters of Torah. And that is really what to meant. So that's why getting back to your yakish question, Yakis are very into having a profession being um contributing to society, contributing in a professional and an economic way, but very strong in maintaining in hugam and hugum are very important. Um the Ashkanazmin that they have is very important. So the yakis that maybe you're thinking about which are like you were saying different they um they're very stuck to the old ways of our traditions of minhagim. So our old minhugim and I can tell you a few of them Stephanos are different like for example my sons and my grandsons will come to shul wearing a talis. Yes. Something I've noticed right that's a mic that we have. Um they also come exactly three minutes early. Well I come exactly 20 minutes late. So um another thing is let's say the vimple the vimple is another yakish min the vimple the vimple so you may use a gal to tie up a sora right but we use something else which is a beautiful minug um when a boy goes to his bris they usually wrap the legs with some material so they what we do is we take that material and we make it into a long like say 30 foot long cotton piece of art with his name and his birthday and brahas and gigad And it's done with pictures. And that is what we use to wrap all the in. It's called a vimple. Instead of a gal, we use a vimple. And there's actually like what maybe two or three people left in the world who make them. And my mother is actually one of them. Shout out to um his mother who made my Vimple. That's right. Vimples are. You got a Vimple? I have a Vimple. Yeah, sure. Of course. My son has a Vimple. I feel like I want a Vimple now. I feel like, first of all, I love that word Vimple. I wish I would have brought you pictures cuz they're beautiful. We need to say the word and I don't know man from that. But here's another beautiful part of that minhug. Boys, I don't know if you did it, Stefan, but when they get married, they very often wrap that vimple around the I see. So it's the same one that they had when they had Exactly. by my son's wedding last year. Your mother charge for a Vimple? I think $600. I think it's a beautiful expensive. So I Yeah. So I think when you say like they're different, I think it's because we're very much tied to a very nice picture. No, by the way, so far so good. Keep going though. I think that's why it is. No, but it's true because I know, you know, I'm involved. My children are in and all that and B and we've married all four kids and I have another daughter in the market now. And when people see like, you know, Yaki, they're like, what is a Yaki? Some people don't even know what a Yaki is? But a Yaki is just someone from the German, usually the Kahalasi Shir shu who has minimum like I wait three hours. Let's say I don't wait six hours. Oh, I'm jealous. Oh, I'm liking. By the way, I could get on that bandwagon. Yeah, I'll take a vimple for hour. But that's why people marry into the yakis because if you marry a yakishkish boy, you're getting three hours. Love that. By the way, that's worse is if you're a yakish girl and you marry someone, you go into six hours. That's Yeah. Yeah. So, you guys do the three hours things. But I also noticed I don't know many yakis. I know a few here and there I come across, but they all seem to have very similar styles and personalities. Like there's something rigid about them. They're very particular, very proper. Okay. But you know Stefan? Is Stefan like that? Oh, I don't want to get started. Exactly. Stephan is like a subset of the Yaki. Like an exclusive of But he's blue blood Yakage. His family goes way back. Okay. Stephan's grandfather and my grandfather were best friends. Doesn't shock me. It doesn't shock. One second. Stephan, what makes you Yucky? Um, my last name. Okay. His There you go. Yeah. I'm saying it changed. I mean, it's true. The same thing. It's it's it's definitely evolved into a new practice and it's listen less as time goes on. Are you proud that you're a I'm very proud of like what my family Do you guys have like a reunion like a get together once a year all the yakis come? Is there a convention? Is there a convention for dinner used to be like the convention? You know it was like a not really they don't have that anymore. But I I believe that the rigidity that you're talking about comes from that we always were very um madik and armen hugim, right? And like you said in the shul like they're very careful not to talk in shul and the proper decorum for shul. Yes. And like you can't get in you can't get nali in berser without a tie. Really? You can't get called up on chabas without a tie. It's improper. Yeah. It's not covered. So they have all these different men hug them for covered basic neess. And I think that like permeates into people's personality that they sort of look rigid. But if you know a lot of Yakis like I want to give a shout out to one Yaki that I know and I'm going to call him out because he deserves it. And this is one of a kind family and they happen to be a very big uh entrenched in the Yaki community. Maybe you know them. The Meyer family. I don't know if you know who they do. Do you know them? Sure. A bunch of kids. Um that is one thing about Yakis by the way. A lot of them know each other. Of course. I think we all They're not a big community. How many Yakis are there? I mean it can't be there's a lot. There's a lot. Yeah. And there are yakish communities now in Aritis and New Jersey and Baltimore, different places. Yeah. Like I wouldn't say it's highly growing, but you guys don't like live together or make your own little community spread out all over. That's not true. We had a community. We had Yeah. With Washington Heights. I mean, everybody lives. There still is a community in Washington. And you have Tannerville for the Do Yankees support Yakis? Do Do you guys like give business to each other? Like do you have automatically when you hear someone else's Yankee feel connected to them? Um do you guys hate each other? Sure. There's definitely connection. Hate? No. But there's definitely a connection with that because listen, why else would I? No, because by like a person from curious old from Monroe or from Williamsburg like if they have an opportunity to give business to someone who's not from the community or somebody who is they will they will give precedence to somebody who's connected. Yankees have that kind of camaraderie between each other. I don't think so. But just by the definition of someone's yakish and they probably grew up with each other in Washington Heights. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So we'll you'll probably know the families and you're somehow probably related you know like Stefan's grandfather for example like created the bakery the bakery and all the you know the big bombs company and so he was a staple there and my grandfather was the r there and you just know each other any and you mentioned the meyers right so many wonderful people wonder he was my father they're a representation of what Yankees are about very much the kind of lives that they live I have to say I'm a fan I'm a fan and I might need request if I can join this club because I'm big fans of this family. But they were just a dynamic family. The hospitality is is off the charge. By the way, they're very they're pretty well to do. They're pretty well. You'll never know it. They're very regular, plain, simple people. They don't flaunt anything and they're always there to help someone else. Just really kind, goodnatured, quality people. And one thing that stands out about them is that they were yakis. They were big big yakis. It's funny you say that because like the way you're describing them is the way I would describe most Yakis that I know. Really understated. A lot of them have money. You don't know it. Not private jetting all over the place. Makes sense. Makes sense. So that's something that's a good stigma that you know is positive. But uh listen, we spent a lot of air time on on Yaki. And I appreciate the education because you bring up Tanisville. I love Tanzan. Tanzal is a very soft heart in my spot in my heart. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Um I've been going there uh how believe I know I'm 53. So 53 straight summers. Wow. My kids are going up there for shabas as we speak. What is this? Tannersville. Tannersville. One word. Tannisville. You guys have a house there. Like it's a We have a number of houses. Yeah. There everything centers around the shul, but there's there's actually four shooles already. There's a shul. There's a big lab shaw. There's a beautiful day camp. We have um Yeah. My mother's been there for 70 years already. You know, it's Are yakis particular about marrying other Yankees or they don't care? So, that used to be much more like that, but it used to be like that. None of my kids married yet? Did you attempt at least to like I'm always interested. Was that on your list of things when you asked for qualification? Let's try to see if you can get another Yak. But the girls are looking for the three hours. I would say that and some of my son-in-laws are seriously considering taking up that minute. You have a pretty popular son-in-law, Mi Tishler. Yes. I'm very proud of my proud of all my son-in-laws. I called him before the show here today. Oh, seriously? Give me a fun fact. Oh, that's not good. That's not good. He for sure mentioned the gym, I'm sure. Exactly. But by the way, he goes to the gym with me. Which gym is this? In that gym. Um, generally, who's this guy? Mishi. Who is he? Mishi Tishley. No, no, no. Stop it. I stop it. I don't I don't know my Come on. He's like the number one wedding singer. The number one wedding singer. Yes. Yes. It's not Lipisher anymore. Not for uh the Litfish. Does he have records? Does he put out music? Well, he does. I guess he didn't reach you. Yeah, he started a little while ago, but his his he has a beautiful voice. Give me one of his songs. One of his popular songs. No, it's not about his popular songs. It's about how well he sings at weddings. Exactly. And how he performs at a wedding and how he brings his energy and is just it's beautiful. Not to say that Barry Weber doesn't kill it at every wedding, but Mishi Tushler is known to be the wedding singer. Besides that, he's been coming out with his own. I think he's the best wedding singer right now. The best. Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, you're a father of You asked me. He's the What does he charge? What does he charge for a wedding? I don't know. It's a good question. I don't know. Is it in the 15 20,000 range? No. No. It's definitely under 10. He's not the best. No, no, no. Not the most. We had somebody on not too long ago. He charges $18,000 because he's a musical sensation nationally, worldwide recognized with album. Yeah. But the boys, all the boys who are the singer who's energetic, beautiful voice, pumps up the crowd. He's an entertainer also. But he has a crazy voice. Really beautiful. Okay. Would love to hear my son. And but he gave but he gave your daughter six hours. He did. Exactly. Nice voice. Nice mirror. Oh yeah. If Moshi could take on three, he would in a second. You could do those things, by the way. You can adapt. I do have relatives who've done that. Yeah. Going from six. Does he do this for a living? Yes. Oh, that's his full-time gig. Yeah. Yeah. So, a little bit a little bit more about your background. So, you're an attorney and you started real estate law. I have a a firm called Silverberg and Kushner. Um almost 30 years ago. proper name for a law firm. Very. Yes. Mayor Silverberg is my partner. Oh, I know Mayor Silverberg. Okay. From Forche. Yeah. Very nice. Okay. So, now she's excited. We've been partners for almost 30 years. I don't know him. I'm talking as if we're friends. You know, you know about Napali's son? Napali Silverberg. Isn't Napali the father? The father. Yeah. Mayor's the son. Correct. Yes. Yes. Okay. So, you got it. I grew up in Force. I know that. So, he doesn't know me proud, but I know him. And he was very cool. He was always very hip. He was always um you know very Is he yucky by any chance? No. Oh he went to Bruters but he's nice. There you go. See see we met first in Bruyers. I'm starting to get this down path. His dad is also a very well-known very involved in the community in a lot of ways. Activist philanthropist. He's part of I wanted I wanted to talk a lot about the the things that I do. But when I was preparing to meet you guys you mentioned it you brought it out right now. His father Napali Silverilverberg is I always consider him for sure my mentor my mentor in the world of he is he's fantastic he's he's a great example of Yaki but not being Yaki he's he's a strong attorney he's a successful real estate owner developer attorney but has so much has done so many projects and how old is he got to be I remember when I was growing up he was older Michael's mayor is already um if I'm 50 not mayor how old enough he's got to be 70s. No, he's in his 80s. Sure. And he's still involved in Atsala and I'm on the board with him in Atsala and he's uh he was the president for a long time. He's great. Yeah. That's the family. You so you started off as an attorney. It's the first thing you did. You I actually started working for Silverberg when I came out of law school and then we became partners a few years later and never looked back. Oh, nice. What kind of law? What kind of law? Just transactional real estate. Buying, selling, refinancing. Not criminal. Only real estate. Not the fun stuff. Only the fun stuff. Not the stuff I see on TV. Tell me what gets fun when I always say it's not the real law stuff. It's not like the courtroom litigation stuff, which I would be terrible at. Tell us a fun story that happened with you as a lawyer. I will tell you. I'm glad you asked that. I can tell you a great story of one of people always say, "What's your most memorable closing?" I think my most memorable closing was Michael and I had like a threeday closing. Imagine you've been to my real estate closings, right? Business. I mean, how big was transaction? It was It was actually a flip. So it was let's say a50 $555 billion flip of a hotel. It went from day through night to day through night. It went constant. Everybody constant was bank lenders. We had you were revolving around. Everyone was in this room. All you did is kept on bringing the food. Wow. Interesting. It was non-stop because with all the different parts to this, it was it was non-stop. And how much money was this flip? You said over 50 million. Yeah. Okay. I thought you said billion. That's I wanted to make sure I caught it right. Okay. So $50 million flip. All right. But that's not the exciting part. The exciting part is that I got a kidney stone during the closing. Oh boy. And I get them sometimes and I got it's excruciating. I don't know if any of you have had it. Hospital. You should never have it. Heard about it. Excruciating pain. And um I tried to go through it, but I couldn't. So they rushed me to the hospital from this closing and um started giving me fluids. And then Michael showed up like a half hour later and said, "All right, I need you at the closing." I took the bag and we went to the closing and I finished the closing with Yeah. With the bag like hooked up. Yeah. Like your IV bag. Yeah. The liquids. I needed liquids. So Wow. So we got that closing done. That was probably the craziest closing. Yeah. A lot of money at stake. Sometimes you got to suffer through it 100%. And he did. You want them to hire you again. You've been some good ones. So So take me through your uh career, your life, because I know that you started getting involved in a lot of organizations. You started one here that we're going to talk about, but how did that come about? You know, it's not so simple to start an organization. I can tell you from experience. So, I think it really does start in Washington Heights and with the Yaki background. I think so. Like I was telling you, my grandfather was with Bruer. Um the amount of that went on through Washington Heights, through the Ber family, through my through my the Kersner family, for my grandfather. I I'm Stephan can tell you, do you remember the um the uh Gamilised blood drives like that stuff? There was just always something I think was a big part of my family. My grandfathers do it the breers and it just was always in me and my parents always always having guests the YU program with the Iranian buckram coming every Friday night. I I was raised on it and is my passion. I love it. I always I say like if only I like I didn't have to work. I would love to do my projects all day. all day, the hund ride peril, all these other the one I was telling you about before with the weightlifting. There's so much that I've started involved with. No, no, this I wish I could do it all day. This happens once podcast his phone even though I tell him to turn. Yeah. So, this never happened by the way for the record. We edit it out. It happens every podcast. So, I think so inappropriate. You want to take it? He's literally talking about like so many organizations. He's about to like lay it on thick and your phone rings. Hold on a second. Mishi, we went through that segment already. We're good. Thanks. Um, no, I think I just grew up with it and I love it and actually married my wife who's huge at it as well. She runs a fantastic um with her friends. She runs a fantastic organization called Mindy's Place. I don't know if you've ever heard of it. Mindy's Place. Mindy's Place. What is it? It It's in my basement. It's a fantastic ladies secondhand clothing store which is um a p a client has to let's say be referred by their rv or by an organization and they get vetted out and and they come to the store. It's downstairs in our house but it's a beautiful boutique store. It's and the clothing that they take there is only like topline secondhand clothing and um the people who come there purchase the items. They don't get it for free. They purchase it for $3 an item. And I'd say in the past 10 11 years they've they've given out and distributed pro over 10,000 for sure pieces of clothing for sure much more than that. And it's in memory of Mindy Conn who was my wife's great a very very close friend who was nerous around that time 10 11 years ago and this is a beautiful for her. So my wife does that. Um that's beautiful. It's just it's I don't know. We love it. We love it. It's the best thing in the world. You know Hashem runs public. We try to do that. You really like your start. You're crushing me. I undersold him. You're saying you're crushing me. You need to stop doing like you you bring people on the podcast. Like I just This is like our 46th episode and we've met so many people and like you hear their stories and how they're talking and I don't know you that well and I'm just getting to know you a little bit and I'm hearing about your passion projects and I want to get into all of them. I want to learn exactly what it is that they do. But like this is what you're busy with. like this is like after this podcast I'm gonna go back to my desk um and then I'm gonna go back to my life which is not what you're doing but I you're making me feel bad about myself. I really am. I'm serious and I say this all the time. It's true Michael. I say in the podcast all the time is that you there are so many incredible people in this world and in our community that are living next to they're walking amongst us. They're just busy about other people. I gave out 10,000 dresses. I set up this program so people who can't afford it. They can still feel good about themselves. He's thinking about other people. His wife's thinking about other people. And it's just like it's amazing. I feel honored and inspired that I'm a part of this community. So that I'm even that I'm I can call myself a Jew and that there are like I really am. I feel honored just for letting me be a part of grabbing on to people's compliment. I appreciate it. I wasn't sure where you're going with this. Was it a compliment for me? Like not for you. Oh, no. Because I bring in guests that do good things for for the guests that it's a compliment to us. Okay. to the the the Jew the glorification community of the Jews. It really is just and a podcast for bringing it all out. Yes, of course. We know that mis all this. But I was I walk away sometimes feeling like what you know you were number I need to do better. You were number one in the bowling league for the camp fun, right? That's my credentials. That's that was my credential. You heard that that I won a bowling tournament a couple of times in a row and I'm proud of it and I have the trophy in my office to come prove it to you. But like that's my claim to him. Yeah. Well, you know what? I think you have like 15 years on him. So you got a couple of years to finish. That's what I'm saying. Tomorrow's another day. I can do that little by little. Little by little. But I digress. I digress. No, you're not digressing. There's one thing you said is so true. Like you don't realize who's involved in what. Like unbelievable. When you start speaking to people, there's so much of this that goes on. There's so many people. Let's call them regular people who are doing huge things. Huge things. There's a guy I know in my sho like I my one of the passions is to give out to Phil and it's called Perry. puts my name in front of in name memory of my father and he was very into muzz I I love getting to fill and giving them out to people that need fillain there's a guy in my sho nobody knows he gave out over 400 pairs of fillin on his own and I only found out because I had a question which came back to him there's guy's doing huge things you don't know and uh and they're rampant they're all over the place like I was telling him I we live next to each other I don't really know him I don't think I've ever seen him before and I'm just hearing about these incredible I've seen the hundred, right? I have seen that. Good. I'm glad that you've seen that. Obnoxiously, I've seen it, by the way. Incessantly, I've seen that. That couldn't be enough. They've ruined my day once or twice. Let's back up for a second. We're going to get there in a minute. But I'm just saying like I've seen and and here he is. He's right. Like these are unknowns. These are not people that are touting everything that they're doing. They're not advertising it. But any Jewish community, no matter where in the world you are, no matter where in the world you are, there's going to be half the people that are giving, half the people that are taking. But it's it's a it's a mathematical equation that works. And that's what makes our our nation so great. And I think secretly that's why people are jealous of us. They don't hate us. They're jealous. They hate us how jealous they are of us. I think that's what it comes down to because no one is left behind in the Jewish community. No one's left behind. Why do we do it? Because why do you do the No. Why do we all do this? Yeah. Yeah. Because we're very we're part of a very small club. We have to stick together because we love each other. Everyone loves each other at the end of the day, you know. Except Stefan. Sometimes we don't. Well, the I see my tish up there. I the I wanted to hear a song of this. It's one of the secret sources I think also in general of being happy is giving. And it's you know something that just like when you're part of that uh you know world just we're happier people in general. That's we say it in every day that Hashem created the world with so that's why we thrive on it. The more you tap into it I think you're tapping into creation. So I have to tell you, you know, um when I'm driving on the road, whether it's in Muny or, you know, anywhere else, not so much in Brooklyn, but and sometimes you ever space out while you're driving a little bit, you know, you No, seriously. Sometimes I wonder, how did I get here? Okay. I don't remember the path. Also, especially when you're had that before. Ask my wife. She says that's all I do, right? We've all been there. Especially when you're following ways or whatever. It happens. So, you know, on the side of the road, you have those little bumps that wake you up sometimes, you know, like, "Oh, thank god those there those are there." it. I have to tell you, those little bumps have saved my life probably 10 times already in the side. That's why they're there. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But you know what else is there on the side of the road? Bikers. I can't tell you how much they frustrate me and I and it's not because I'm not a biker and I know everyone's going to think that and I just have to tell you it's so dangerous what you guys are doing and it's just it bothers me and I I just I want to bring it out because of course the part that you're doing from it we could talk about in a minute but what about the dangers of it? And also I will add to that before you answer they feel very they feel very entitled as well. The bikers like they get upset if you as a car you didn't go further around him far enough and like they feel like I'm here just as much of a ride as you. No, no you're not. I'm driving a vehicle an actual motor vehicle I'm driving. You're driving a bike. You you should be at the sidewalk somewhere and the side where like they also feel very entitled like they get upset at you if you don't respect them and their space on the road. So, it's bad enough that the larger writers are wearing these spandex suits that are so difficult to look at, which you know, that's that's a whole you said there's other challenges. Please tell me what else. No, it's it's actually worse than you say. You know, what about when the roads are wet? So, you're talking about just like you're on the side of a busy road, but then you've got wet roads, then you've got potholes, then you've got the our tires. We're not talking about mountain bikes here. We're talking about road bikes. I'm not up to feeling bad for the bikers themselves. No, it's even more dangerous than you. No, of course. No, I know the danger. How do you deal with the danger? So, I'm saying I'm I'm curious about the laws. You know, you're a lawyer. Yeah, there is law. There are law. What is the law? I mean, if I'm going on a windy road and there's no room for a biker and I have to move to the other side of the lane literally to oncoming traffic to protect this biker, if I a go-kart on the street, I'm sure a cop will pull me over. No, let me tell you. So, unless they allowed to like what's the what's the unless it's a highway or um unless it's a highway like um Palisades Parkway throughway, bikers are allowed to be on any on any public road. So, however, you're not allowed to be two bikers wide. So, when you see guys like smoozing each other on a Sunday ride in front of Wesley Kosher on Route 306, they're not supposed to be two bikers wide. And I've often been on rides where cops pull us over and give you tickets for being two people wide. You can only be one. You might have seen these pelatons of bike go. They're all one person wide. So, they are allowed to be on the road. You are You do have to make room for them if they could be legally be there, but they're not allowed to be two people wide beyond the white line. They have to be. Yeah, I don't know. They can't be on the actual road. You sure they can? Oh, they can be in middle your side of the white. So, I have to drive behind him and go at his feet. Well, you have to just watch out for him. Really? But you're not going to see legally. They can do that. But not on highways or I understand. I forget about highways, which sometimes happens. And I've had it on the hund ride. One time when a guy ended up in the Palisades. What happened? We lost him. We lost him. We What do you mean ended up? We were in Haramman Park and we're looking for this guy. He was a Brooklyn rider actually. And where is he? Thank god we got a phone call from him. He's at like exit 13 on because you know at the bottom of of Haramman Park there's that entrance on Yes. You automatically end up on He was on the palis. Ah, okay. It makes sense now. Thank god he stopped there. You can't be right. But it's it is good to know though as far as the law is concerned. Did he not realize that he's the only person like on the road? Like he didn't notice. No. Because it's a sense of entitlement. Yeah. Exactly. Some guys love being by themselves. way. I'm ahead of everyone. I don't know. So, the d the dangers are definitely there. Your neighbor worse than your neighbor, by the way, which happens to be your rabbi, right, in the center. He had an accident, too. He did. Right. So, um So, my other neighbor did as well, right? And these these can get really two neighbors and he she she had a worse one than he did. Um she was riding in Haramman Park. What's more dangerous? Riding a motorcycle or a bicycle? Got to be a bike. I I would have to say a motorcycle. Motorcycle. Yeah, motorcycle. The speeds are because of the speeds. Right. Right. Yeah. But they're both pretty dangerous, right? But you But this this this neighbor of mine on the other side of rep center, she hit a deer going down in Haramman Park with her bike. A deer, not a squirrel, a deer. Wow. And she got hurt. And there are accidents and you have to be very, very careful. And that's why Rabbi Center, who's a big part of our ride, the whole Kafk is very much into promoting helmets. Even for little kids riding little bikes, it's their thing. Helmets is their thing. Okay. Yeah. All right. That's a nice So there are precautions that we take but we pray to God and you know I was going to tell you this 100 ride has nim all the time and that's our biggest name Bi and her what is this 100 ride for what what is the cause about how did this come about? Why did you start? So you mentally really started with Rabbi Center. You've heard of bike forkai. So a when you know when guys sort of fall out of the age of the softball every Sunday and you you sort of mature into the age of bikes I way it is like when guys start to turn 30ish. That's the right time for bikes because you're no longer running to first so fast but on a bike you can still get great exercise and not too dangerous other than being hit by a car. You're not going to pull anything. So that we all started getting into biking in our in our neighborhood in Wesley Hills and we had like 10 guys doing let's say bike forkai and you have to raise a lot of money for bike forkai. So Rabenta was like saying to me it was on a shabas must have been in May 11 years ago he said or it's beautiful what you guys are doing but you know we have an in my it he says it like almost hurts me that we're sending between just our shul hundreds of thousands of dollars out of our community for a great cause but we have our own anemium that we're dealing with here I want you to make a ride he didn't know anything about he said I want you to make a bike ride 100% for our community Beautiful. Love that. For Rockland for Love you, Rebby Center. That was Rebby Center's idea. And we were already in May. I was like, "Oh my gosh, I don't have that much time." But six weeks later, we had our first ride and it was 2014. How many people were on the first ride? First ride had I think 39 39 riders, but we already had jerseys and we had SAG support and we had some police escorts and we started in Yeshiva Spring Valley. I think we ended in Yeshiva Spring Valley. Had a nice loop. Um, and we called it the 100 ride because not that it was a 100 miles or 100 kilometers, which it's not. It's a choice of 30, 50, or 80 miles. You can choose. It's called the 100 ride because a 100% of the money we raise. 100% of the money that the riers raise goes to the Tedduckas. No overhead, no salaries to Tedduckus. We collect every penny we make goes to Koopas Ezra 50%. Tom Pashabas 50%. Beautiful. That's it. Between between Koopas Ezra and Tom Pashabis, you've got my company. Shout out to Rabbi Rosentock and Rabbi Mashinski. Run these organizations. Phenomenal, beautiful idea. So everything we do is for them. Everything we do is for How much do you raise? So our first year we didn't raise much. Um we started like maybe 80,000 then it went to a h 100,000 and last year was raised over half a million dollars a year. Wow. That's a lot by the way. How many writers? 11 years. We're so proud. That's like we've given millions of dollars to half a million dollars. How many people? How many riders? We typically have between 100 and 130 riders. This year we'll have more I hope for some of the new things that we do have. What's the barrier of entry into male? Male. Okay, I see. Although there's a big push for a ladies ride. Okay. Big push for a ladies. Why not? Why not? Why shouldn't So I looked into it for this year. Honestly, in all honesty, um there's just not enough from lady riders in my How do you prove them wrong, guys? My wife is put the word out there writer. She knows the I say I want to say the main reason is because unfortunately the reality is that the men raise more funds. I think about all these organizations how many events are done for women versus men. You know they started now recently doing what we are doing is we're we're making a kids ride. We're extending the 100 ride to a kids ride as well which is going the kids raised the best money and there's so many canar and and we're going to do a smaller ride. I can't wait to get a phone call from your kid. You know, boys and girls, another yeshiva, another ride. Why not? Kids, boys and girls. I was just saying in my we started recently. I know Stephan, you know about this. You're a fan of it. I'm a fan of it. I think it's great. I think in a lot of ways it's a little bit lame also, but there's certainly something about it where they're doing sports, organized sports for girls. They're making football leagues for girls. Our neighborhood has they're making basketball leagues for girls. Like, it's always been geared and oriented around the boys, making sure the boys have activity. We have a football league in our neighborhood. Yeah, my daughter was on it. Yeah, she loves it. Yeah, we got to be more inclusive that way, you know. Definitely. So, yeah. So, that's the hund ride. And um this year is our 11th year. Last year was our 10th. It was a big year for us and this year will be bigger. And you run this this organization. So, Rabbi Center gave us the idea and I I um I ran with it with my wife Tippy and Mishi Golat. We we have a very small core of people that really we have a lot of help. Everyone's volunteer. Nobody's salary. Nobody takes a dollar. Um between Mishi Goldblat, myself, my daughter-in-law Nikki Kersner, um every center and Cippy that we're basically the core of it. And then we have volunteers which help us. Um but this year we really want to expand and get into so many communities in Rockland that I've never touched, you know, with the growth now of of uh fields and harvesttor and airmon. There's so many places we've never been there city. That's a great idea. So, so I called Morty Becker and and Ley Yosinski and they are smart. Very smart. They're helping us get out there. June 29th. Okay. Once a year. Once a year. One day a year. And if you live in Rockland, Oregon. So I got to be out of my June 20 29th. That's Yeah. Don't go near this. This year we're starting in is it a Sunday? It's a Sunday. The one day that I have to literally be in local roads con back and forth. all of us are going about, you know, car pooling and this that and we're going to have to deal with the flurry of riders to sign up with or anything like that. It's it's uh this www.theund00ide.org. It's the number 100 one the one.org. Okay, cool. Yeah, we'll I'm sure Stephan will include it. So that's that's the 100 ride. It was Rabbi Cent's brainchild. Beautiful. Very very nice. This week's episode again is brought to you by Gem Enrollments, an employee benefits program. Oshi, can you explain to our audience what an employee benefits program is? Gem Enrollments is a concierge benefits enrollment program for your employees. They don't charge you anything for this service. They are a supplement to your HR team. They will personally manage very critical information for your employees about their benefits. One by one, make it very accessible for them. Any information that they need, they reach out to GE Enrollments and they take that off your plate. And as always, reach out to a Prime Source expense advisor to learn more about Gem Enrollments. And now back to our program. Is there like a winner like who comes in first? Is we have that? No. No. But it's it's usually the same person who comes last every year. I have to say, of course, if you had winners, maybe he's walking his bike towards the end. No, he he's an incredible person. I'll give him a shout out because he loved it. His calls himself the Bris Rabbi. His name is Rabbi Sepitz. He's at Sadi. He raises money in Fountain View and all these places for the 100 ride constantly. He's at Sadi. is also a mole and he's very very passionate about the hund ride and um he's always on all of our jerseys you'll see the bris rabbi I was hoping he's bris rabbi because he's a mole and that's for the reason so he does not give up even if it's a thousand degrees he will finish the ride without being supported and he usually comes in last you've done bike forkai though right you still do it or you I no I did bike for many years and I still do TNR which is another ride we do a lot of rides beautiful you're you're a big biker you're biking a lot how How many miles is Bike Fai? So bike is two days. Okay. So they do Yeah. The first day is like 75. It's like 175 and they have like 700 riders or something, right? So you're pretty good by the way for a local community uh bike gang. And I think the potential is so much bigger. I think all these communities which we haven't gotten to yet, it could be very big. And and everyone is stopping. And the kids ride is going to be huge too. Yeah. Yeah. I like that with you actually about the kids ride. It exists in Lakewood. They've done one in Lakewood, which is really nice. So, we're going to try that this year in Mitashm. Nice. Wow. Yeah. So, I have to tell you that um growing up in Brooklyn, biking was everything to me, right? So, we lived on a bike. We we rode from one town. I did you grow up on a bike, she Michael, I have like two more minutes left in me to talk about bikes and then I'm just curious and then I'm I'm maxing out. I'm just saying like I could cut it out now. I was just curious about you riding a bike as a kid. No. Yeah. I rode a bike as a kid. You don't rode bikes. That's not your mode of transportation. But as adults riding bikes, you know, I don't I don't play with Legos anymore, you know, and I get it when you do it recreationally for exercise or you're doing it for a cause. It's never mind. Go ahead. What I was talking about at the beginning when I was saying obnoxiously and incessant, I was talking to people that just their whole life is bikes like bike bike bike. It's coming out of my ears or nose. It's just that's too much. Correct. That's too much. There's a lot of any too much of anything is annoying. I think I think that works that way in anything when it comes to health for some reason. You know, like when someone's a, you know, the old thing. No, but it's a fake exercise. It's not even real exercise. You're not really getting the blood, you know, flowing. And what are you saying? It's a real exercise. If you're not lifting weights, you're not doing real cardio. It's the easiest cardio to do is to is to ride a bike. Yeah. Try going up a hill in Rockland County. See what happens. Yeah. We got some. It's very, very difficult. Very challenging. But you, you know, I'm also traumatized a little bit because I was growing up. I uh Oh, now we want to talk about I didn't have a bike. Oh, there we go. No wonder why you changed the top. I'll be honest. I'll I'll tell you a story. We're gonna get you a bike. I might make you cry a little bit. Now it's making sense. I was I was about um I don't know 11 years old, something like before mitzvah for sure. So 11 12 something that range. And I didn't go to summer camp. I didn't go to summer camp. My parents couldn't afford to send me. So I used to like stay at home and keep myself busy and find things to do. my neighbor who just got a bike, a brand new bike, and he was going to sleep away camp. So I told, "Oh, you sleepway camp? Like, I'm gonna be home. Any chance I can use your bike, right, while you're going away?" He said, "Sure." Said, "So just ask my father, you know." Anyway, uh he said, "Okay, come pick up the bike." So this is the day he's leaving to camp. I I'm He lives on my block. I'm walking to his house. I'm all excited. I'm going to get a bike. And it was a driveway up. It was an uphill driveway. And I remember walking up the driveway and I I go into his garage and I take the bike out and I'm starting to walk down and my friend's father walks out of the house and he sees me taking his bike and he tells his son, his sons, I don't want to say his son's name. People might know who it is. He tells me, "Uh uh, what's your friend doing? What's Ushi doing?" said, "Oh, I'm giving him my bike for the for the summer." Says, "And if he breaks it, who's going to pay for it? Do me a favor. Put the bike back in the in the garage." This is what he's scarred. And I had to I had to take the car the the bike back into the garage and I walked home dejected. I was balling. I was crying. And you know what? My father bought me a bike that summer. I don't know where he got the money. I don't know how he did it, but he saw what it, you know, what it meant to me and he felt very sorry for me. He felt very He probably stole the money, but that's okay. I thought maybe he did, he did what any good father would do. He went out and he made it happen. He made it happen. But that's by the way, I'm not really so scarred from this. That's why I I hate bikes for many other reasons. I'll tell you that's one of them. I'll tell you though, it's not about the bike. And I'm I could get you being bored about the bikes. Some guys speak about biking like any other sport incessantly. It's about the um the saddaka and about the what it is. I'm telling you that this ride has nissim. I've personally experienced niss with this every year. It's a tremendous amount of work and it's it's it's backbreaking and I I never have the time for it, but every year you experience Nissan with this ride. What do you mean? For example, we we see it. First of all, almost every year it's supposed to be terrible rain on the day of the ride. And it's not something you want rain for the day of the ride. First of all, it's dangerous. No one comes to the barbecue, which is That's your nemesis, the rain. Exactly. And if it rains, I'm not doing I don't want to do a rain date. It's just it's bad. Um almost every year we get a rain and in 11 years only once has it rained that we couldn't do the ride and this this rabbi seepitz it was like our first or second year like the second he crossed the finish line it started to pour it like poor and like oh my gosh loves the hund ride and then one year so every year it was supposed to get we never get the rain but one year maybe two or three years ago we was predicted to have a hurricane on the day of the ride like a serious monsoon hurricane. So the night before we're sitting there huddling together. Yoseph Zupnik's a big part of the ride. He does he runs all the medical for us. He's fantastic center. We're all sitting there. We even had meteorologists on the phone with us from bike referred me to. It's crazy. But the night before the ride and determining it's going to be bad. So said we're canceling the ride. It's never happened. You cancelled or you postponed? We postponed it till the end of August. We made double the money that year. Double. You had more time because we had another month to do it. We made two more parties. A lot more people started finding out about it. And the tedda doubled that year. So, Hashem loves the 100 ride. Hashem loves you. He loves you and everything that you're doing, what you stand for. And obviously, he's assisting you and he's, you know, he's being an accomplice to everything that you're accomplishing. You see it? Uh he loves you. What about other organizations? So you do uh 100 ride. What else do you do? Um I'm on the board of Atsala, but Atala doesn't need any. Yeah. What does boards do? Exactly. We all know what Atsala does. Who runs Atala out here? Um so Hashi Grindswag is on um runs it now. You talking about the Miatala? Since I since I joined Rakatala, it also split. Are you at me? No. Oh, how manyellas are there? Those guys are awesome. I can't do that. I just It's not in me. It's crazy. Every sh has two three members in my every sh's got those two. Those are special people and they're very special people. They're all I think my wife could be one but I'm not. And Kobat Washington Heights, you know, we had lady hats members. Really? We had ladies in that sal well before that was even thought of. Shout out to my mother. Was she? Yep. Your mother was a member. Her and Ruthie Kathernstein and uh a couple other women. We had ladies because all the Yakish guys are always working. You know, there was no Yakish guys sitting at home or in Yeshiva. So, we had no one in Washington Heights for calls. So, we had ladies on calls. Say that again. The men didn't want to go to Kohl's because they were too busy. They weren't there. They were out at work. They were they weren't local. No one was in Washington Heights. They were all working. I thought you saying like they're they're so rigid, the Yankees. Even when a hot co we're giving I have a schedule I have to follow. So not rigid that we have ladies. I'll fit that in from 4:30 to 4:45. I'll take a call. It's a great point Dory by the way because that they're not rigid that they had ladies. Yeah. Meaning there are I think there areas somewhere around the world that are just women and it's now well they started it right. They have it now. Wasn't a lot of politics in Brooklyn about this. There's a lot of politics about every Yeah, there's there's a lot. We're we're going to soon get the CEO of Atsala in our program. Does that take up a lot of your time being a board member of Atsalo? No. No. Do you know Kish? No. Familiar with him. Isn't he the CEO of Atsolo? He is, but it's but Hatsah is in segments. So, if he's on the board of just Rockland County, he would not know of the It's crazy to me that it's still not all under one umbrella, right? And like it's not all branches under one corporate entity. It's crazy. all independent and all operates individually. It almost doesn't make sense to me. I think those are all so huge. I don't know. They there is an app that came out recently that uh allows you to call into Hatsala anywhere you are in the world and it's cool. That's a that's also might be because so much of what Hatsala does in each community is controlled not controlled under the opaces of the Rabanim. And I think how do you have universal rabbanim right you know you have rabundam who are m on that and this and we work within our our our ra our rabbitical board and I think all of them you can't have universal to support Israel or not I'm saying I understand but there's also a drawback to it they're missing out on a lot of that volume that they can leverage altogether shout out to Ellie Ro Ellie is incredible with air what they do is I I spoke we had some things over pesaf he was amazing he's amazing guy there was some people that needed help on Pesak and I called him out of just just desperation. He was incredible. He was offering he got sprinters and yeah, he's like I didn't I was going to reach him but why would I even reach him and picked up the phone and he's accessible. He helped us. Yeah, he he's also another one of people are crazy. They do beautiful and also like such outrageous outlandish things that we do for others like thinking about what he's doing. is fly flying people on private jets for medical reasons like on a whim's notice. He's got helicopters. He's got Humvees. He's got like all kinds of gadgets and equipment. Expensive stuff. Expensive. Expensive. And the fact that somebody even thought about it to say I want to do this. Were you involved? Were you in a in a cemetery here in my Oh gosh. Where'd you get that from? Is that a thing? I think a little birdie told me. Um I was there was there the um what's it called now? Um Har Shalom. What is that? New cemetery. I'm we're trying to find out all the little things that you're involved with or No, that's comes from my um legal work. I represented the buyers of that cemetery, the land, which for me was a first. Talk about like doing things that you don't know anything about and getting it wrong. So that I I had never represented people buying a cemetery before. I learned a lot of new things about cemeteries. I actually just met a guy in Rockland County that's uh he his him and his family all own cemeteries. It's going to get him on the program. Fascinating. I imagine there's got great tenants, so I imagine it's it's good real estate. I think it's a great business. It's a dying business. Yeah, for sure. I wish I had like a But yeah, I had to learn on the fly on that one how to uh how to uh buy It wasn't a cemetery yet. They It was just a big land purchase which they wanted to use as a cemetery. So, you think they knew in advance they're buying the property to turn into a cemetery, right? So, how do you how do you can you do that anywhere? Like, can you just get land anywhere and just turn it into a cemetery? You would think so. I imagine not you can't. Yeah. New York in New York there's two laws in New York which I found out about. One is it has to be minimum of 10 acres and the second is it needs to be attached to an existing cemetery already. You can't just like take over Palisades Mall. Well, you probably could take Palisades Mall because there's a little cemetery there. But you can't just take any huge 10 acre thing and turn into a cemetery. It has to be to another. They found this there's the um there's some Christian cemetery behind it and um unfortunately I feel like eventually you run out of options eventually. So that's why they did this but no you're going to have to start something like how many attachments to an existing cemetery are there because I need to draw up I needed to draw up contracts and stuff for this and I'm like trying to find attorneys who've worked in this. How many people have done cemeteries deals? There's there's not that many cemeter cemeteries that come up in New York. So I did a lot of research trying to find the proper documents. And is it a lucrative business? Like is is it in high Think about it. Think about imagine little supply and high demand. Not just that, but think about the little amount of space that people are paying such a big amount of money for. And I found out which I I found that through unfortunate circumstances. There's different prices for different people and for how fast you need it. Like god forbid if something happens tragically, you know, one minute to the next and you need something, you know, there was no plan. And they didn't know that this individual was going to die and they want a good spot or they want they charge you more money because emergency rate. Yes. I never heard of that. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry to say it but it's very political also. We'll find out. I'm going to bring that guy. There's a lot of politics involved also. If you want to get buried in a certain like like area. Yeah. Especially if you want to get buried in a certain type of You're allowed to. It's crazy. And these people like they they take the bidding price based on how much they think they can get from you. It's almost like a used car salesman. They're judging on the spot how much they think they can get. Wow. Whoa. Yeah. I never saw that. And it's and it's it's not like uncommon practice supposedly that this is I'm going to get someone. This is the world of how it works in cemeteries. Someone answer those question. Now if you prepay if you prepay for it own cemeteries. Yeah. Yeah. Someone in the community in Rockland. I actually represent it's not even the first. Now that I'm thinking about it, I also represented someone who bought a cemetery near Surl. So So uh I can refer you to a few cemetery people if you're really interested. Most people haven't asked. We're dying. We're dying to We're dying to know. All right. All right. All right. M also on the That's a different thing. That's amazing work to do. Kadisha work is amazing. Yeah. We should get someone Kadisha Michael in the No, the person who I'm thinking of his father was invaders in a funeral homes. Apparently there's a law in New York that you're not allowed to own a cemetery and a funeral home. Kind of interesting. Yeah. Don't Doesn't the cemetery have a funeral home? Well, like I said, we'll get someone on the program learn a little bit. Kadisha of breers really and I can tell you honestly there's nothing that you will have done in your life that makes you feel the when you do a Tyra the first Tara that I did was actually in Tannisville um crazy story my father was on the kadish you ask how these things happen it's because people's parents do it so my father was on the kvadisha in Bruters and we were in Tanisville for the summer and turns out there's a Jewish guy not from a Jewish guy who dropped dead on the golf course in Tannisville and um and his family wanted a Jewish kafura. So my father came to the house goes I need you. I go what? He goes we're doing a tara. I go what? I've never done a tar. I don't know what I'm doing. For those that are listening don't know what tahara is. It's a purification process that we do for people that die before we bury them. It's very intense, very laborious. Really thoroughly clean the body. Yeah. really thorough is like an understatement of how you have to clean the body. So my father just took me to this tyra in a goyish um funeral home in Tannersville. And uh it was very hard. I I don't know how many details I you guys want me to give on a podcast. No, no. I don't know if I want to hear the you want to hear. I want to hear you can always edit. Right. Go ahead. Oh, there there's there's um the bodies need the they need covered during a Tara and respect and um this wasn't a from person. This was a person who was Jewish but not affiliated at all. And like before the body even came to us, he had his eyes had already been donated to science. He had that on his card. Wow. So when we received this this um this body, it already was in a very very difficult state to do a Tara on. That was my first Tara. But afterwards I I I remember saying to my wife, I saying I have never felt so holy as I did after that Tara cuz who's thanking you? Nobody's thanking you. Ultimate kindness. It was amazing. And then I joined right after that. I joined and baram I don't do that many. Wow. What's it what's what's coming out of you know your world in terms of uh other well there there are things coming like the the um the peril is coming which is which is um that the fillin in memory of my father like I said my father was very into which is what you'll buy a pair for anybody that wants no it's a much better idea it's a much better idea perhil is um when if someone experiences I hope you guys have never experienced this but if your father is nifer Right. So my father was Nifter and I I got his fillain. Right. But not only did I get his fillain, I got his father's fillin because my father never threw away his father's fillain. So when my father was Nifter, Stephan remembers him. I got three pairs of fillain. What are you doing with those fillin? You're not giving them to your son for his bar mitzer because everyone gets their son a beautiful new pair for the barit. I'm not wearing them because I already have mine. So everyone just puts these pairs of filling into the basement and they get they just gather dust. I'm telling you, most people you know will have a few pairs of fillin somewhere in their closet or in the basement. You probably do and they're not being used. So Peril asks people to send us your fillin and I will take these fillin. I get them checked. We bring them to a cipher. He checks them. He's them. Sometimes they're usable, sometimes they're not. We rate them. We we fix them. We rate them. We put them in a beautiful new bag and we give them to um organizations init organizations in America where they need fillin. There's an endless demand bar in right now for fillain. And the beautiful thing is that if someone donated those fillin to me, we take them and we put them in a beautiful bag with the that person's name and his yardite on it. So when this boy initi is putting on fillain, he sees this person's name every time he puts it on. Really nice. So that's one of the things we're kicking off. It's been going on for a little while, but we're trying. You want to like totally degrade me? You want to totally strip me of the little dignity that I have left? Let's get No, I just I could do this time. I'm Michael. People are like getting creative also in ways how they can help people. It's not just like the good oldfashioned here's 10 bucks, go buy yourself something nice, you know? It's like, let me do something meaningful as well. Something's going to touch your heart and it's gonna you can help two people at the same time. You see a need. Yeah. But that's amazing, right? You're helping this guy. He want the guy needs the pairs fill in. Loved this idea. He says got right. It's a genius idea. By the way, I asked him, he's like, "Oh, I have three pairs for you." Like immediately people have it. It's a genius idea. It's expensive to do, but yeah, you're uplifting that, you know, that that was nifer and this kid that's, you know, proud of his fill and he's very into it. You know, he's just starting and every time he puts it on, he's looking at this person's name, you know, and it's in his honor. So instead of my father's fillain, my father's filling are actually in the Ukraine now. So I gave them to yes in the Ukraine. But my father's film which would be in my basement on the on the ping pong table are now being used by this boy in the Ukraine who sees my father's name every day on the bag. It's awesome. It's an awesome thing. And um so I when so I'm very close to center in in Aritus from centers yes. He's my classmate from Buers and he loved the idea also and he hooked me up with some with with some Cypher in Aritus and since October 7th you can't fill the demand there are so many people who were not affiliated before who now want to put on film. So for anyone listening if you have a pair of fill in from someone how do you get it to you? Um well you can go to Perry but it's better to just call me. Can I give my number? Yeah yeah yeah we'll put out your number on put out my number. just call me and um the you can go to the website but it's it'll just go much faster if you call me. Right. Right. That's amazing. Wow. Yeah. And there this there's guys doing stuff like this, not just me. Just you see a need and you have more you have more up your sleeve. I know because we discussed earlier about your working out. Oh that that's one's in the works. Yeah. Right. So you go to a local gym here. I go I go to a gym in New City and and it's a special gym. It's a one-on-one trainer. Um his name is Assan. He's a great guy. People swear by him. Yeah. I heard what's so special about I heard about it. There's a lot of guys in our community who go to him. I could just say that there's probably 20 25 guys in our community who go to him and um he's one-on-one training, but there's usually three or four guys there at the same time training. And it's it's pure bodybuilding. He does weights and bodybuilding, but uh he's Jewish. His mother was Jewish and um his father was uh Iranian. So, but he's Jewish and he's very very highly respectful of of all of his from clients and um he actually you would talk about Mishi, my son-in-law. Mishi goes to the gym and he's very close with him as well. Mishi got him to start putting on film. Really? Really? This week he started putting on and says he's going to do it every day. Nice. Beautiful. That's cool. I think Mishi just wants to get out of working out so it just gives him a few minute breather. So, what's this organization you're trying to What's your idea thinking of? So the idea is I've noticed that guy like we noticed years ago how guys were getting into biking. So many people are getting into bodybuilding now. And I mean weightlifting, bodybuilding. I don't know if you've seen it but I see it a lot. So this is an organization that we're in the works now which will be a one-day event where people are pumping iron for taka. And the idea is to do it for Almanus in Rockland County. Um which is a I don't think there's a bigger zakus than supporting Almanus. So the idea would be it's uh I we think it's going to be pump it up. Pump it up to lift up. We are lifting up spirits of people. So pump it up will be the next weightlifting sedaka organization that you will see in Wow. Can I recommend a song that you play in the background? Yeah. Pump pump it up. Pump it down. Yeah. Very cliche. You don't even know that song, right? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I do. Yes. Wow. Yes. Iron Machine. You're gonna get Hans and Frs. Anybody know that? Come on. That's the Saturday Night List. live. I know Hounds and Friends. Yeah. Um, you're an organization junkie. I just want to put it out there, I guess. So, and thank God you are. Thank God because uh many people are addicted to lots of things and they're not helping others. They're actually not even helping themselves. You like you wake up in the morning like how can I make an impact? How can I change people's lives for the better? How can I do something? And it's because of that mindset, Michael, that attitude that people like him have is why we're all in a better place and we're all better for it. We're like, we're reaping the benefit. Thank God. You know what's cool? You know, we're the recipients. You know what's cool? You watch Shark Tank, right? And you wonder like, what's someone going to come up with now? I've seen all the sharks already, right? Suddenly someone comes up with an idea like, oh my god, genius. Why didn't I think of that? And how is there still something new that we haven't? That's what I'm thinking about now. I wonder how many of our listeners are thinking, you know what, I have an idea for an organization. Like, put it in the comments. Let us know and let you know, maybe someone will start it because these are some great ideas. Congratulations to you for for starting these and actually doing them. I would I would say, you know, the way you're you know, the way you're putting that out there, it's also good to join up with existing ones. I I found that for me that it's easier when I have this idea to piggyback on someone else who's doing something similar, bring it to your neighborhood. A, it'll help you with so much of your startup and b you'll you'll have the support that you need. I like that idea. I we we've done that around a decade ago actually 10 years ago with uh actually with Tom Shabas and Coupzra really is two out of the four organizations that they help people get jobs so we created Rockland Jobs Network and that way if anyone needs a job in Rockland County I was I was with you at that meeting I remember those going strong thank god and and Michael you have your own little network of getting people jobs and helping people Michael is very passionate about that you enjoy it it's almost like a sport for him it's a sport for me to watch people help build their careers I mean it's it's anytime someone even mentions an in iota about looking for a job, go to Michael. Call Michael right now. It's the biggest you're you're actually doing him a favor if you call him because he really likes helping people find job because that is the ultimate. It is. If you set somebody up for life that they could sustain themselves, they don't have to keep asking for help. That is the best way to I have to tell you that um lately I've been meeting a lot of people who don't have any degrees of any sort and they're in their 20s. They come back from yeshiva. One of the things I was thinking, by the way, is to get like a a boy or two from Yeshiva after school in Israel and talk to them about what what now? You know, you went to Israel for two, three, four, five years. You know, you're not married yet. What are you going to do now? What have they been doing for hundred years? We've always been in this position and we've done quite okay for ourselves. I don't know about that. We figured it out. We're very resourceful people. It sounds we're very intelligent. I guess not enough people are coming to collect from you because ultimately it's not true. They end up I'm not saying it's a perfect science. You don't have married children yet, right? No. And Michael I know does because I've watched your statuses and when you have married kids, this is something you think about a lot. You know, we want them to learn. It's not so simp by the way. And you're saying true. Yeah. We've done it for thousands of years, but there's a challenge with it. No, I think the challenge is that the younger kids that maybe even ourselves at one point, but they have high expectations and they want to be rich very quickly. Therefore, what that's the problem we have. That's the epidemic. I think that if they want to go out and get a freaking job and start building a career for themselves, there's plenty of opportunity. I don't want to hear this. I don't know what I'm going to do with my life. I have a job. Go get a job. There's so many places that are dying for people to come work and they could teach you a craft. So this way they could, you know, make you part of the organization. Get started. Get going. Get off your butt and go to work. That's it. Don't give me this, Michael. He's 22. What? What's next? What you feeling bad for him? No. Do you feel bad for him? Don't feel bad for him. If he wants to find a way, he'll find a way. We've all done it. We've all been there. I'll send you 20 guys that come to me in the past few weeks and you tell them the same thing. You'll see it's a dead end because it's not so simple. It's a dead end because they also want to drive a nice car. They also want to have money in their pocket. They want to be No, no, no, Michael. They want to go to Florida eight times a year because their friends are go That's what it is. if they want to just go through the grind like most average Americans do that they don't have this mindset like unfortunately we've inflicted on ourselves in a big way in orthodox communities that we've we've created a high lifestyle for ourselves and it's become the norm in a lot of ways both right it's the reality no either one of us is right you have to take a side give me a minute to make my argument I don't either appreciate that by the wayside don't play both sides don't don't play chaos I will if you make me that's this is what Yankees do by the way thank you sir I wanted I There's the Yankee circles at all. No, I want to come back to you because what you're saying is so true and it comes back to the Yakis, which is they don't believe in what you just said. If the Yakis, you had to have a degree, you had to go to college. You you you you're cannot go to like my parents didn't let me stay a third year. You have to start college and go to law school already. I don't think you need that anymore. I think there's so much and my mother's going to yell at me. I don't think you need that anymore. There's so much that guys can do that I see guys doing, but they just have to have the initiative. And I agree with Oshi. There's so we we we have such high lifestyles that our kids let me take you to my point for a minute and we're going to wrap up in just a minute. Um so to my to the point that I was making is the reality is that when they're coming back from school after four or five years and they're about to get married and they need to support a family within two or three years, you can't just get a job and work hard at it and make a lot of money. It's just not the reality. Just telling you. Why did you have to end with and make a lot of money? I know. No. No. You have to. You're going to make $60,000 a year. You're going to make $50,000. Not enough to raise a family. Why? Why isn't it enough to raise a family? Unfortunately, what family? You're 22 years old. You barely just got married. No, my point is that what are you doing in three years? What are you doing in four years? You're in order to grow a career. In four years, you'll make $70,000. Again, what I'm saying then you'll make $80,000. Living Living an Orthodox life is very expensive. Yes. because of how we have not because of Florida, because of kosher food, because of holidays, because of schools. Yes. But not as expensive as it needs to be. It's the reality though is expensive. Conversation for another day. Yeah. No, I was making I was making one one point though which I'll still make and we'll get to the argument another time. It's really Orzel spoke about this. Yeah. You and it's the expenses are crazy. They are they are crazy. My point was to you is that it's not enough to just get a job. And my message is is that you have to get a skill. And it's not just about going to school because I like your point also which is go to school in advance and get a and get a career. But what most people don't recognize is just because you don't have a career and your parents didn't push you to go to school or you didn't have the hindsight to do that or you went to cola or whatever it is doesn't mean you can't develop a skill. And that is the important message that I'm trying to say. Not to just get a job to get a skill. That's I agree. I like that. All right. I like that. You can do that. There's so much out there. There's a lot you can get into H factor. Get a skill not a degree. There you go. If you can't get a degree, get a skill. And of course, if you can't get both, then you know, you go with us, uh, you know, go work in a pizza store and try your best. When we hire new employees here, specifically reps, sales reps, account managers, we in a lot of cases take them right out of college. And we tell them, this is like what we always say, and after years now, they were telling us now how true it was, is that we're actually going to bring you on board and give you a college education that's going to be useful. They could do something with it, and we're going to pay you while we do that. We're not going to take your money. We're not going to charge you $80,000 tuition. We're actually going to pay you while we teach you. We don't expect any ROI. We're not expecting you to to close deals and make money for us. We're expecting you to learn. That's it. Just learn. We want to teach. We want to be a teaching type of company. We want you to learn and we're going to pay you while we do it. And that's called teaching them a skill. Not giving them a degree and teach them a skill. Michael, you're very on target with that. Kudos to you. I can get behind it. Let's start an organization, guys. Teaching people skills. Let's go. We're an organization spirit. I'm sure it's happening, you know. All right, we're going to wrap. And if it is, it's not me starting it. I don't have a record for starting the organization. We do have a thing that we have uh that we've done called the lightning round. I didn't prepare one for you, but instead we're trying we're trying something new, which Moshi and I just spoke about earlier is let's create a staple question that we asked to everybody and we're going to start trying some new ones and see how they stick. I guess one would be easier than Yeah. I mean, let's see. I mean, it depends on the guest, but you came up with a question before I liked it. I don't know if he's going to answer it, though. And at least he's not going to answer it honestly. Let's try. Let's try. Yeah. Give me something that you deem to be really embarrassing. Something that you know you went through in your life that you've learned from and you've grown from, but you're kind of embarrassed about it. That that's Yeah, that's what I did once. That's what I said once. That's what happened. But I'm a better person today. Today I'm a different person and I know better and I want other people to learn from this. Something like you mean like tas or just like something which is embarrassing which I got past. You mean tackles that people learn from try us? Yeah, I'll settle for either one. Right now, I'm not in a position to make demands. We're just starting. We're just starting this. So, so whatever you come up with. I don't you know, a little bit. You're putting me on the spot, but it's um it comes back to Washington Heights, comes back to to Yakis. Um um when I was a little kid, I I once um I once someone asked me to to to go get their pocketbook in front of Rabishwab's building. Please go get that for me. Um and I said, "Okay." Because it was an excuse to get out of school. So I ran out of school. Rav Schwab's house was up the block of Schwab. And so I went in front of Rav Schwab's house and there was no no person with a pocketbook. So I rang the doorbell. Stephan knows how this lays out. I rang the doorbell to Raf Schwab's apartment. Okay. And I'm talking Rav Schwab. Harav Shiman Schwabar who was already at that time quite advanced in his age. And I rang the doorbell, no answer. I rang it again, no answer. And like after five minutes of him shleing to his doorbell, he yelled, "Hello." I said, "It's Uri Kersner." And anyway, he just buzzed. Okay. I went upstairs to Schwab's apartment, third, second floor, and I rang the doorbell. I thought maybe her pocketbook was by Schwab, and I rang the doorbell. I don't really I don't know how the story is coming out, but this is just what my mind. I rang the doorbell and no answer. I rang his apartment bell again. After five or six minutes, I hear shuffling to the door. Rav Schwab opens the door himself. I guess someone was there to help him that day. And I'm this little kid and I say and he opens the door and there's an old German of hello. He says to me I go do you ever Mrs. Loe's pocketbook and he goes no. Slams the door on me. But so I was matriak the god lador to get out of his seat and come to the door and deal with an eight-year-old kid who didn't always do it. But what did I learn for that? So I learned respect for gdollum after that because I I've thought about that story a long time. I'm 53 and I'm still thinking about that story. But I stayed in breers and we used to have a rotation every Wednesday. It was my to walkabul. So, you know, I reminded him of that story when I was a few years older and I turned that into the greatest respect that every Wednesday I drove I walked him to shul I put him in the wheelchair. I put the seats down for him. So, I guess your most embarrassing moments can still turn out to be awesome lessons. There you go. Wow. Where was the pocket? One second. Where was the pocketbook? And never found the pocket book. Never found the pocketbook. But I've told Mrs. Mrs. um Lo that story. She loves it. Of course, before we end, we got to ask you, this is a staple question that we ask everybody and we're following this pattern and we're hoping to get more and more guests doing this. Who's a guest that you would recommend after being here on the podcast? Did you have a good time? Beautiful. Yeah. Loved it. Okay. Really loved it. So, who do you think would be a good guest to sit in your seat? So, for sure I I'm for sure Ravi Center. My Rabbi Center. I mean, both Rabbi Centers, they're both super. I don't know if you've ever spoken to Rabi Center here. Rabbi Santa is a close friend of mine because Ari Center his brother as well. They're both powerhouses. They are nonstop energy. Both of them have incessant energy to I mean I want you to know I'm very close with both them but represent I I will take credit that myself and a friend of mine Yona we brought represent to be the r in our shaw. I knew him from breers because we were iners together. He was in the base medish when I was in high school. And before he became our RV, my friend Yona and I went to Rabinski and we asked him should we hire Rabbi Center for the Shul and Rabinski said to us, Rabbi Center is my rebi in Wow. Riddinski said that Rabbi Center is his rebi in that's beautiful. So Rabbi re I would recommend Ari Center. Yeah. The best. Can you call him and ask him to join? Sure. Okay. Go ahead. Cool. Sure. I'll call him right now. Go ahead. You want me to go home? Yeah. So, he picks up. Yeah, sure. Why not? Never never picks up for me. Let's try. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. He's actually very accessible. Most of the times we spend together is like 11 o'clock at night in his living room. So, see if it works. And I'm sure he's been on the podcast before. I don't know if he's been on a podcast. No, I I I know. Well, his family owns the Kfk, right? Is that the the organization? Oh, the K. Yeah, that's that's interesting. Organization. That's worthwhile discussing. No one is available to take your calls. It's not looking good, boys. Okay. Again, thank you uh Uri for joining us. We really, really appreciate it. Thank you to all our listeners, our subscribers. Please don't forget to like, comment, subscribe, get involved. We're loving the feedback. We're loving the energy. We appreciate it all. And uh don't forget the hund ride coming soon to a street near you. Watch out everybody. Literally, watch out. Thank you for having me. Thank you guys. Be well. Thank you for joining. All right. Beautiful. Amazing. Thank you very much. That was great. I haven't done one of those. You guys were great. You made it. That's the idea.