Rabbi Tovia Singer Reveals What Missionaries Don't Want You to Hear!

Okay. Wow. >> Here we go, guys. >> All right, let's do it. Whoever you are in the control, make sure I look good. That's the important. Doesn't matter what he looks like. Try to get a side shot. This is my better side. As long as I look like a knockout, this is the important thing. Him doesn't matter. >> You know what? You have a full head of here. So, >> I know that's where Okay. So, whenever you want, you go ahead. I have to tell you, just seeing you, I'm overwhelmed. >> Um, it's just it's a joyful moment for me simply because I've been uh chasing myself to chase you for a while, meaning because schedules, you know, I'm not here a lot and uh not here as often as I should be. >> Big shout out to Ben Bodenheim for connecting us. >> Ben is a dedicated listener. I have a lot of dedicated listeners. Yes. and uh you know following on the status journey and seeing where I'm up to throughout the day and giving me suggestions and comments and questioning me and battling me. Ben is one of them. >> Beautiful. >> He's definitely a battler. I have to tell you though what what I notice you walking in right now. >> You have a lot on your mind. I I could just tell just by the way your your your brain space is very full. I know. So if >> I know so I do I have two interviews today. >> Really? You have another one set today now? >> 7 p.m. >> So then let's knock this out of the park. >> No, no. Let's have a good time. I hope I don't fail you. I boring. No one pay attention. That's okay. No, we're all good. You tell me when we go on. >> We're already on. >> Oh, we're on. >> That's how I work. We're just >> We're on right now right now. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay, that's it. We start. Welcome back everybody to the None of Your Business podcast. I'm your host Michael Greenfield and we are sponsored and produced by the Prime Source team. If you are a senior care facility looking to save on your expenses, come to us. We know how to represent you well. We know how to represent all the vendors as well for sales and marketing and brand building. Of course, the None of your business podcast is an extension of our marketing team. So, uh we appreciate all the followers, the listeners, the subscribers, the comments. Keep it coming. We love a good debate. And uh speaking of debates, we have Reptovia Singer here with us today. So I'm so excited to welcome you here to the program. Thank you so much for making the time to sit down and really smoo. >> Well, it's a joy to be here with you, Michael. >> Yes. Yes. It Well, you know what? I've been going by I've been going by Greenfield. >> And Greenfield? >> Yes. >> Where'd you get such a go name like that? >> I'm named after the So our brothers are Ysef and David. Wow. >> And there's another one who's older, but um was David. And then I'm a twin. So um Gabrielle, when the uh nurse put my uh me and my brother on my mother's arms, she put me on the right and my brother on the left. So my mom added the name Mikail and Gabrielle. So >> wow. I decided not to be when I went into the business world, but I'm uh I'm dumping Michael and I'm fully owning and I'm always in Israel and people who know me from my beginning years like that. So, enough about me. >> Yes. >> I want to utilize every single second we have. >> Sure. >> So, Repto Tovia >> Tovia, >> you were What's Tovia? What's that name? >> This is my greatgrandfather's name. It's one of the names of Mosher Rabenu. And he appears in Zechariah 6:10 as one of the Jews of Babylon who came to the land of Israel wanting to donate money to the building of the second temple. And there was a question asked of whether we should accept money from outside of Israel, from Babylon, from diaspora to support Israel. Could they be involved in building the new state, the second temple? And that question is brought to Zachchariah. So, but it's also the name of Moses. And my great-grandfather was murdered by the Nazis in the spring of 1944 in Hungary when most of Hungarian jewelry was destroyed. So, I'm named after him. Let's get into that. I think that one of the things that I would like to do on this podcast today is break down who you are, where you're from, a little bit more about you, and then head towards the uh, you know, the the great wonderful work that you're doing um, fighting for Jews and really understanding like you just dropped, you know, a number and a name. I I have no idea what you were saying in terms of, you know, quoting different parts of the Torah and the Tanakh. uh these are things that you know and uh you don't really need a major introduction but for those of us that don't know um you are an expert when it comes to understanding the Tanakh completely the Quran uh the New Testament and uh breaking it down in very simple way to understand it and uh really battling the battle on behalf of all of us and uh I on behalf of all of us who know you a tremendous thank you for all the work that you've been doing and all the effort that you're putting in and and it's just uh it's amazing that we have someone representing us like you in the world and uh it's so important that we have more of you and you're educating the younger ones and uh with Hashem's help we're going to continue educating all of us until the Messiah comes and uh we can all enjoy the salvation and get away from all the hurt. >> Um >> so let's start with that. What's your background? Where did you grow up? Who are your parents and grandparents? Tell me a little bit about, you know, spice it up a little for me of who's Tovia. Who is this Mosha Rabino that we're sitting in front of today? >> Right. So, I grew up I don't think you heard of it. Maybe Borough Park. So, um, yeah. And, you know, growing up in the 60s and 70s, all the non-Jews around me did not like me, and I didn't know why. But when you were born in 1960, 50 15 years after the Holocaust, it was ubiquitous to see people with numbers on their arm. That's the world I grew up in. And there's nothing I could do to stop that because it happened. European jewelry was destroyed before I was born. So there's nothing I can do. But I knew the non-Jews didn't like me. And they reminded me, if I ever made the mistake in walking past a group of Irish, Italian Catholics, they always told me that I was a Christ killer. And I thought they were insane. So I thought that the world I was going to grow up in was a world that was filled with hatred, but made sense. The non-Jews, for some reason, hate us, want to destroy us. I was very aware that the Jews were only murdered in Christian countries. And uh but then when I encountered with my family on a Saturday night in Midtown Manhattan going to a restaurant called Mosha P. King. Jews for Jesus on the streets of Midtown Manhattan by the Diamond District. Jews for Jesus. that might as well said Jews for Hezbollah. It just like insane like Jews for G. Why would you join? It didn't make any sense to me. And I began to argue with them as maybe you have many people do. You engage them. You count them. It's it was a conversation that went nowhere very quickly. It was infuriating and also I wasn't really prepared for it. There was nothing in my yeshiva background. You know, I learned in the mirror. It was a very serious education but nothing prepared me to understand Christian literature and the passages they were quoting and ultimately I walked away very unsatisfied with that. The following summer I visited where we are right now, Jerusalem. My uncle lived in the old city of Jerusalem and he just happened to have a Christian Bible that was given to him as a gift from a pastor that spent the previous Shabbat at his home. And when I came to the old city and my cousins walked me through the Jewish quarter because after all the taxi can't take you, my uncle shows me this King James Bible. Give a look at what we have here. It's like he had the the manual from the other team. He was like really excited. Give a look at what I got here. And I told him that's exactly what I wanted to read. And I began to study it. really the most the the one of the most important events tectonic events in my life when I began to study the Christian Bible and to my shock I realized number one why they hate us that means I was fairly confident although I knew little about Christianity that Christians didn't like us for some reason was very obvious to me when I read the Christian Bible and the Gospels in particular are stories and the stories I don't know if you ever made the mistake of like opening Al Jazzer or the New York Times and you're going oh god they really hate us. So it's like every story the Jews are the villains and and Jesus is just the protagonist who can do nothing wrong and the Jews for no reason want to destroy God's son was horrible. Number two was that the Christian Bible had altered the Jewish scriptures in order to make it appear christoologgical. Just plainly just it was completely not true. Like it was a complete lie. What stood out? >> Oh, that Matthew was quoting Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible, and misquing what it said. Moreover, the Christian Bible did something that robbed Christians of a guard rail, and that is that the Christian Bible in the Hebrew scriptures of the Hebrew scriptures mistransate their text in order to comport with the New Testament mistransations, which means Christians are playing tennis without a net. There's nothing there to measure, nothing to guide because all the Christian must do is go back in his King James Bible and look it up. And the King James Bible on Isaiah 7:14 will say virgin in order to support Matthew 1:23. So Christians, I realize to my horror, are operating spiritually without any guard rails. And we don't know each other, but I presume you went to yeshiva and you learned Hebrew and by the time you were 10 years old, I can give you a kish or five books of Moses and you can read it like you can read a newspaper. Well, no Christian child is taught Hebrew. None. Now, they can learn Hebrew in college, but it's too late. So, therefore, they're utterly reliant on translations. When I say playing tennis without a net, I mean that. That means there's no way they can tell that there's something off, there's something wrong. Now, we have of course translations are scroll, but most of us don't need it. There are a lot of conversions, a lot of Bali chuva returning. So, it's so therefore I knew that I had to stop this. I met a Jew at the Western Wall. My uncle lived in the Jewish quarter on Mskavladak. I'd pray at the Western Wall. fellow taps me on the shoulder as I'm talking to God in a way that I'd never spoken to him before. I turn around in the middle of Davening and he asked me if I know the Lord. What am I doing? I'm playing handball. I mean, what what what am I doing? I said, "Of course I do. I went to Yeshiva." He said, "You mean you know who Yeshua is?" I said, "Of course I do. I went to Yeshua with him. He was in my class." I had I was thinking Yeshua Jacob was I had no clue what he's even talking about. But we began to unravel what was happening here. He was a Jewish fellow from New York and we began to study together in Israel returned to New York and he did Chuvo. He's today Russia and Muny. Yeah. So what was shocking was that when you meet these people who are in the church, Jews who are in the church, they seem so sure. But when they repent and they return back to the Jewish faith, it's it's tectonic. So, I didn't hear a voice or see a vision, but I knew that I wanted to devote my life to getting Jews out of the church. That was very important to me. I began to write about this and then the advent of YouTube. So, what kind of Jew was Jesus? >> Well, there's a problem there. If you would ask me what kind of Jew was Paul, I can answer you because he wrote a lot. He was a prolific writer. We have 13 letters that survive of his. Jesus wrote nothing, which means that we're looking at him through the filter of mythology of the Christian Bible. And the gospels, Paul never met Jesus. So the gospels were all written at least 40 years after he was dead. And it's just mythology over mythology over mythology. So we we don't know. And in fact, in New Testament scholarship, the quest for the historical Jesus is what everyone's after. That's what Albert Schwitzer wrote about in his most famed book in the beginning 20th century. People can guess, but no one can know what he who he was. We just know what he wasn't. >> Do you ever guess >> he's not the Messiah? I think he was probably from the northern Galilee. It seems unlikely that someone would invent the name Nazareth. and he probably had a lot of contention with Jewish people. That that just what seeps through in the gospels. That means he's he he's very he's conflicting with Jews constantly. So that's the guess who he was. Uh if he was crucified, which is everyone's starting point, it seems likely that he was actually crucified by the empire. So that would mean the empire would not crucify somebody for any ordinary crime. There were cheaper, faster ways to execute people. But crucifixion was reserved for people who were accused of insurrection that somehow the empire thought that he was saying the end is coming or overturned the Roman Empire or something like that. That's for most scholars that's a that's a starting point. But we we have zero that he wrote. The Christian Bible obviously portrays him in the very way that the Book of Mormon portrays Joseph Smith in a very flattering way with enormous mythology. As an example, Mark, the earliest of the gospels, there's nothing supernatural about the way he was born. We're introduced to him as an adult. Matthew and now Mark has written about 7075. Matthew and Luke about 10 years later now we have a virgin birth. He was conceived supernaturally. So there's so much thick mythology. The real Mark which ended 16:8. Now today's Bibles for those of you watching this think that it continues to verse 20 but that was a later interpolation. There's no resurrection accounts in the book of Mark. But we do have that in Matthew, Luke, and John. So there's so much embellishment that it's really hard to do that. >> I'm just curious. So if Jesus came today and you know came out and looked at the his whole world that was created for him or you know on his behalf, what do you think he would say? >> Oh, he'd be shocked that people worship him as a god. He would be stunned that people believe in the doctrine of the trinity. Um he would be stunned that people thought that he would preach that you don't have to keep Torah any longer. That we could say with certainty with virtual certainty. This is this is the humanities. But if we could just presume that he was some sort of religious itinerant person to think that you should teach that because Mashiah came you don't have to keep Shabas anymore. to teach that an innocent person could die for the sins of the wicked vicarious atonement which was well known in the ancient world utterly pagan that this Pauline neoplatonic Greek thinking is what would seize Christianity that that Christians would believe that while God is one there are three persons that have distinct hypothatic entities fancy word I apologize but it's just because the church uses that kind of unconventional language in in order to mask fig leaf doctrines that are unsavory. He would have been shocked. He would have be shocked to know that such a religion would have nurtured him. >> Wow. I'm I'm very much enjoying this conversation and I see where you're going with it and and I and I want to get back to it. I still want to go back a little bit to your upbringing and um and thank you for explaining to me what got you into it and what sparked your interest and your uncle and going to the to the Western Wall and that's just amazing to hear. Uh you went to regular yeshivas. >> Yeah. >> Siblings. >> I have four sisters. Amazing women. >> Wow. Okay. So, uh that must have been interesting. >> Yeah. >> What did that teach you? >> They great kids, you know. It's it's my four sisters. That's like growing up with what's his name? Stewie and what was that cartoon for adults? I forgot what it's called. >> My sisters were were perfect. They went to school. They were the best kids in the class. Never got in trouble. Always did their homework. >> I was a a Kisha kid who who couldn't understand. So I thought girls were all perfect and and boys were just a mess. >> Okay, >> they were great. They're great. And change much? >> No, no, no. And they remain to be some of the finest women I've ever known. >> Wow. >> Yeah, they are. And married amazing guys. You know, that's just the way it is. They They're amazing women. They >> So, you grew up in Burough Park. >> Oh, yeah. >> You went to regular mainstream. >> Oh, yeah. Very much to Samson and then >> and then the mirror. >> Okay. Did you experience anything throughout that process of uh learning about uh the world that you are? So no matter where your question ends, the answer will be no. No matter how where you meander with your question, the answer is going to be no with an exclamation point. We were >> in the 60s or were Europeans and did not understand American kids and did not for the most part did not understand I I just couldn't understand what they were talking about. >> Well, let's talk about you then. During that process of growing up, were there challenges that you had with God? >> No, I believed in it completely. I No, I never for one second didn't believe. I always believed. I just The only thing was is that we never learned the prophets. I mean, we never learned uh I'm a little Joshua judge, maybe try, but we didn't. So Isaiah, we never learned Isaiah when we went to Shiva. Zero. Nothing. When learning the Talmud and Jeremiah was quoted, no one got up and looked it up. And if we did, we would have discovered that we don't understand what it's talking about. Isaiah, for your viewers who don't know this, literally more than 90% of it is poetry. This is a huge work of 66 chapters. There only five chapters that are that you can pick up and read and understand exactly what it's about. the rest of it you would go I 61 chapters you go I have no idea what he's talking about it's all poetry I mean some of it's easier some not >> and therefore what >> what's that >> and therefore what meaning it's >> oh therefore it's very very difficult and if you have no background then it's very difficult I teach Isaiah here in Jerusalem I have go through the book of Isaiah it's on YouTube for those of you want to watch it go to my introduction video on you I mean once you know it of course it's magnificent it's just that yeshiva didn't convey that to me Ezekiel which conveys the most numinous prophecies of the messianic age. It's rich with details that's not found anywhere else in Tanakh. I was just marvelous. I mean I love Tanakh, but we miss that out. And the yeshiva world grants that it it messed up on teaching the prophets specifically the nim that central part. And given that we're living in a messianic period, meaning we're living at a time when messianic prophecy is unfolding, it's more important for this generation than any generation history to know these numinous oracles very very well. >> So start a yeshiva today, let's say, for argument sake. And uh you're creating the itinerary and the classes and the education. >> Yeah. >> What would you do differently? What would how would you educate the young generation today? What would you start with? Yeah, I would start with the Abarbanel. If you have the Abarbanel, a medi medieval mean he was born in 1437 in Portugal. Uh died in 1508 in Italy, lived in Spain for 11 years. He was one of the greatest minds that writes a commentary on the Niveim in a very short time in 1481. I would just be teaching the Nim, the prophets with the Abarbanel. That's what I'd be doing. And that's what I do now. And I'd be doing now right now because we're living in a very unique period. I would say and I I say this to the rabbis who are watching us who actually have control over. You should be reading Ezekiel from 34 to the end 48. Right now Ezekiel for those who don't know is divided into three discrete segments. 1 and two is about the destruct, why the first temple destroyed and what God will do to the nations that persecuted us. But from 34 to 48 is all about the messianic age. So right now I urge every um every yeshiva to start teaching Ezekiel and begin with 34 immediately because we're going to go through the final war, the valley of dry bones, the third temple. right now. That's vital to know that >> you're giving a lot of credibility to prophets and hanging your hat a lot on on this concept of uh >> of learning from them, right? And and >> why and and and is there anyone that argues that and says that oh you that's not you know where does all that credibility coming from from your perspective? >> If you got a letter in the mail and the return address was God, wouldn't you open it? Of course you would. Wouldn't you read it with trembling hands? Of course you would. I mean, we have that. Not only that, we are told by the medieval commentators. My monities as an example, he criticizes his contemporaries. My monities was born in 1135. He passed away in the winter of 1204. give you he criticizes contemporaries for speculating about the messianic age and about making calculations in Mishna Torah and the laws of kings in chapter 11. He says only the generation who will live at that time only they will completely understand these passages. Well, guess what? You and me are here now and we're witnessing the events that have been spoken of and hoped for and dreamed of two and a half thousand years from the time of Ezekiel. Ezekiel contains the road map to where we are right now, what's ahead. So that's the last thing in the world I'd want to ignore. I mean, God is telling us what's happening and also why it's happening is why is there a war at the end of days? Why do the Jews have to return to the land of Israel? Why is there a war? Why is there a cataclysmic attack on Israel that will take the lives of many, many civilians that triggers Muhem go? The Talmud knew this was important. In fact, in trackctate migill 30 dlammed the gum tells us that in fact this end time war begins on sukus. Therefore, on the Shabas of Kalomid sukus, mean the Sabbath on the intermediate days of the festival of tabernacles, read Ezekiel 38 and39, which is the war between Israel and Persia explicitly. The Jews return to the land, seize it, have full control of Jerusalem, and go to war with a country a thousand miles east. And the whole world will be watching it real time. Israel destroys the enemies and then the nations will know that I am God and Israel will know I am God. How would I ignore that? I mean our sages 2,000 years ago knew that's it and here we are. Love the answer. Uh love love your perspective and and your knowledge on so many of these things. um one of the prophets you're able to tap into, have a conversation with in person or King David or Moses, Moshe, Rabenu, who would it be? What would you talk about? What would you ask? >> We have all the information we need. >> No, no, no. You personally, it happens. We >> I would want to meet Daniel only because he was such a remarkable person. >> Tell us a little bit about him. So Daniel was a prodigy, a genius, and he was taken in by Nva, the very person that destroyed the first temple. And he was able to interpret a dream for Nebuchadnezzar. It was a very troubling dream. And he was no idiot. He said to his all of his assistants, "Whoever's going to tell me what I dreamt," because he knew from Pharaoh, Pharaoh gave it away. He said, "In order of me to know that your interpretation is correct, tell me what I dreamt and then tell me what it means." And Daniel tells him his dream of seeing a great statue, head of gold, chest of bronze, legs of of uh brass and of of iron and legs of excuse me of brass and legs of clay and iron. And this is what it means. There are four kingdoms that would um that would o have schlita of sovereignty over Israel and ultimately the leg and iron which is adom would be destroyed. The point is that he could have had it all. He was only 14 years old at the time. He was just a giant. But this is typical you know that great people accomplish their greatest works in their when they're very very young. And he said he could have had anything. He was made like viceroy essentially of what's called the Neoablonian Empire. But he he deferred and he said it's not from me. It's all from God. Have we encountered Jews that sold out? We have. I can think of a senator from the state of New York that's let us down because he's reached the highest point of power of any Jew as he brags. That was the opposite of Daniel. Daniel never betrayed his principles. Like the Abarbanell, the Barbaranell rose up to be the head of finances of Portugal and then Spain. He never sold out. These are the people I really want to encounter. >> So what are you going to say or ask? >> It's um I just want to be in their presence. When I was in the presence of Raosha Feinstein, Labavrebi when I years ago, I just would watch them and just be shocked and listen to them and receive a blessing from them. We We have it. It's all spelt out for us. We have the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and39. We know exact I'm going to say something that sound um almost blasphemous. So I want the you the audience to give me a chance at this. So we understand the the messianic age or the the events that lead to it better than the prophets did. How could that be? I just finished telling you. Okay, let me explain. See, the messianic age could happen in many ways. Meaning the endgame is that we win one to nothing. But how do we get there is complete chaos. And the Talmud identifies this that it could be a righteous generation based on the passage at the end of chapter 60 of Isaiah 60:22 and then it happens with great miracles or it could be a a guilty generation and it happens in a very plain mundane way. So there's all this open space of how is that goal scored. Let me first tell you I know nothing about soccer, but I have a sense of what the business end is. So you can win by scoring an incredible shot. The goalie can make an error. It could be a penalty. That is they didn't know this. They really didn't know. Not because they didn't have that information. It's in a sense like this is not true. God forneew but God didn't know because he have gave us complete free will. So, we actually have copious details because we're actually living the messianic age in real time. We're able to observe what they couldn't know. The reason they couldn't is not that God couldn't tell them. It's because it can happen in a range of ways depending on what kind of nation we would be >> based on free will. >> Oh, based on free will. And there's a key passage. Why is there such a a visceral condemnation of making calculations? because of a key passage in Isaiah chapter 59 verse 20 that's familiar to you because you say it in your ding every day and a redeemer meaning the Messiah will come to Zion specifically when Jacob repents so the repentance of the Jews Jews must repent in order for the trigger the coming of the Messiah so therefore the prophets would have given anything I rashi my manes would have given anything to live during our time to have this kind of detail but we are observing it in real time because the nation is engineered. I don't know you but I feel confident that the person you were on October 6, 2023 does not exist any longer and will never exist and neither will I. That means our nation will never be the same from that horrible Saturday morning when 1,189 Jews were murdered and 251 were taken hostage. We'll never be the same. Whoever we were on circus of that year, those people don't exist anymore. We are utterly transformed as a nation. And there's a revolution going on there in Israel. And we're observing a series of events that are unfolding now. That's Zechariah 12, which this massive attack is. It's called Messiah Bose in the Talmud. >> So, we have access in real time to what's unfolding right now. >> Yeah. I'm glad I let you finish your sentence because it makes sense now, actually. So, I appreciate that. um you have a tremendous understanding and you're quoting things and it's one of the things I think that I love and people love about you is your real deep understanding and to have a good debate and you know pull out facts. Um you've also studied other uh teachings, right? So you know Na'vi prophecy and the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Torah of course, right? Um what other things have surprised surprised you and things that you've learned or studied? And uh specifically, I'm thinking um the Quran. What have you learned from studying these uh teachings that you can um tell us affects us in ways that we need to understand in living this messianic times? So, I've read the Quran more than a few times and I can tell you that I don't even understand half of it. Meaning the Quran unlike the Christian Bible is incoherent most of it is incoherent. It's incohesive and it passages move from one topic to another on a dime. So it's extremely difficult to understand. Very very difficult. It's even difficult to know when texts were written. In fact, there are many Muslim scholars that believe that um that no one could really understand it completely. And in fact the purpose of the Quran. So the word Quran really means a recital that the purpose of it really was to recite like balor it's really the same word like the person who reads. So the Quran is supposed to be read. I remember living in Indonesia serving as rabbi and hearing the Quran recited that it sounds uh terrific but reading it. So what you have in it is things that I would recognize. I would recognize the things that are very Jewish and radically monotheistic. There is no God but the true God. La. There's no God but the true God. And and a front assault on the doctrine of the trinity of Christianity. Then you have ideas that you would find in Christianity as Jesus being the Messiah Messiah. But he's not the Messiah of Christianity. It means he's really a prophet. So the danger in Abrahamic religions, we're using the same word, but we don't mean the same thing. So Muslims believe that Jesus or Issa, the J didn't exist back then. Um that Jesus was the Messiah, but they don't believe he was the son of David. They don't believe he was God. They oppose it completely. So it's very difficult on a person, but they believe he was born to a virgin named Miriam. and the Quran chapters named after her and so on. So, and you have many ideas that you find in Midashic literature that God put a mountain over the head of the Jewish people at Mount S. It's in the Quran that Moses, a little infant, um, grabbed a piece of red hot coal and put it in his mouth. It's in the Quran as well. So, that's what I recognize. I recognize midashic literature, talmudic literature, stories found in the Torah and also Christian ideas about Jesus and um Christian ideas about the saying Jesus or more about um things that Jesus did as an infant that's found in some obscure texts, not necessarily the the cannon. Fascinating. You know what's also fascinating that you were a rabbi in Indonesia. I'm sorry I couldn't like just hear that and forget it. Right. Whoa. So, so now you got to take me through the era of life. Let's go back to your yeshiva days. You're done with yeshiva. You went to Israel to Yeshiva. >> No, I learned in the mirror in America. >> Learned in the mirror in America. >> Who influenced you then in any way? >> Oh, by far Miller. >> Ravika Miller cuz he was down the street from the mirror. The mirror is on I believe Avenue or it's on Ocean Parkway and Raikda Miller's Shul was just up Ocean Parkway. It was just >> Yeah. I I uh I I was lucky enough to go to two of his shirim. one of the uh most popular shm he ever gave which is uh telling people that if you smoke that you're putting yourself to in danger and because it says you have to be careful of your life that um if you smoke you you are a Russia which is one of his shir and I was there for the shir and I remember someone asking he says excuse me my rabbi he's sits and learns all day and he smokes he's a Russia that knows how to learn >> right so ravikdum you ask me earlier on like you know what would I say to this person that person so I was in the presence of Victor Miller a lot and I never said anything to him >> I just stood and I shook in his presence he was a person who had hydras spunum he stood like this he was whatever he was that what you hear on his audio programs that are widely available that was him he had a complete encyclopedic knowledge of everything he was Americans and he also had an a degree in English so he remarkable ortor is completely unfiltered and also his praise of Muslims he said you know that they dress in with sna they dress modestly they pray there's something that's praiseworthy there's zer a so also his clarity on that point influenced me I mean I'm a religious zionist that didn't matter but point is he spoke clearly and make complete sense sense to me and he built his ideas his he was a giant I mean absolute giant he just knew everything there was to know but the key was he knew how to make complex ideas easy to understand so he was the big influence on me in that I thought to myself I don't want to do that but I was not petrified of him but when he walk you know what it was like when he would walk by you would just just watch him and and realize there's a walking safety I Wow. >> But he was again American. So he knew how to speak to American boys. He was he didn't work for anybody even though in his earlier years he I believe was a rabbi of a young Israel in Connecticut I believe and so but now he was completely unrestrained. He was able to say whatever he thought >> and he wanted us to think for ourselves but he wanted to teach us how to think. So his complete knowledge of Tanakh he knew Tanakh cold knew it cold. he knew. >> Big shout out to the Miller family and whoever is organizing those booklets that end up in the shooles all across the United States. They always keep me busy during Davening and I always learn something from reading it. So, thank you for that. >> So, take me through that journey of where you are today from there to here. Where have you traveled? What have you done? >> I I knew fairly well that my role was to to help Jews who were in the church come back to the Jewish faith. How do you do that? So, so people would ask, I would lecture a lot and incidentally Christians would show up to my lectures who I found to be totally different than the Christians I had met as a kid. They were very nice in Yiddish. They were mench. They were um so that I realized then that the Christian Bible had poisoned the minds of these children that were so anti-Semitic. Um but I started making cassette tapes like Raikda Miller had cassette tapes which we all would listen to and so I made cassette tapes of my lectures. My thought was when someone asked me about Isaiah 53 if I can just record a lecture of Isaiah 53 and just had someone a set tape that really cost whatever was 20 cents. It was nothing. Then here it is. Here's Isaiah 3, Daniel 9. Here's Daniel 9. That was the thinking back then. How can I just do there was there was no internet back then. None of that existed. No internet was very valuable for me as well in that I actually had to meet the Christian, talk to them and more importantly listen to them. So I I had to en engage with them. There was no software or chat. I had to study the Christian Bible thoroughly. had to study the writings of the church father. I understand what they were saying and why they were saying it. Why is this attractive? Why would a reasoned person a sober mind believe this stuff because it so it forced me and there was no prior to me there was no one who there was really no one doing this before me. It was like there was a whole new idea. It was a new problem. Jews for Jesus started in 1973. So that's when it exploded in the 1970s. A very difficult time for America. Hippies, you know, Watergate, Vietnam, Jews for Jesus. What else is new? Right. So, right. >> So, you were lecturing, you were getting involved, and you were living in in Brooklyn that time. >> Yeah. Then I moved to my right. >> Oh, then you moved to Muny. Then what? Keep going. How do you You got to Israel. Oh, so I eventually got someone out of the church who asked me if I wanted to move to Israel. He became very wealthy very quickly and said, "I have houses in Jerusalem. Do you want to live?" And I lived in the old city of Jerusalem for eight years and everything was taken care of for me. That's when I wrote my books, Let's Get Biblical. that was able to do a lot of work then but flying back and forth from the United States to Israel and I guess then u internet emerges so the YouTube becomes available and then putting the videos on YouTube and making that accessible but then the call asking me from the Jewish community in Indonesia now you're I know you're asking there are Jews in Indonesia Indonesia is the fourth largest country in the world nearly 300 million people it's the largest Muslim country in the world. But as it turns out, many Jews were there. When I say many, less than 20,000 Jews, as far as our estimates are, are there. And many of them had converted to Christianity between World War II when Indonesia became independent and now in the modern period. And were you willing would you be willing to come to Indonesia? And there was a person who is not Jewish but because of my YouTube videos changed his life and became a Ben Noak willing to underwrite any uh Jew who would become a Christian to study with me at a major convention in the island on the island of Papo Jeropaya the capital and I was asked would I be willing to come and I went of course I mean that's like winning the lottery So it was simply paradise to be there. But hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Jews who had become Christians studied with me for a few days and left the church. I had a very big impact. And they asked me would I stay on as rabbi. And of course I would of course because it was so vital there just been nothing there. And I was there for five years. And by the fifth year I was there, so now we're in 200 um 2018, I came to Israel to do a debate of Christian at what was then called the King Solomon Hotel. And I realized at the end of the debate, which is on YouTube, many people came over to me and told me that there were a lot of Messianic Jews in the country and brought their friends with them who were in the church. And I realized then that it was important for me to be in Israel. That the problem of mission activity here in the Holy Land is spread like a cancer. I didn't anticipate any more Jews in Indonesia were going to get out. And I decided then that when I returned to Indonesia, I was going to close up and then return back to Israel, which I did. And I applied for aliyah went to Singapore where the Jewish agency was not Jewish Jewish Israel embassy is at the um is at the at the embassy of Singapore and I was except for Ali. They all knew who I was and then I um made aliyah and landed seven years ago today. Is today June 4th? it. I think so. >> I don't know. Whatever day it is. So, it was seven years ago today that my LL flight landed. >> No way. >> Yeah. >> Wow. Masleto landed in Israel cuz when I had lived in Israel before, I was just in and out. So, I was just always on a tourist visa. >> But then I made Ali. >> How were you making money after that? Like what were you doing for income? You're having a debate. You're doing God's work. You're representing Jews. You're fighting missionaries. you know making people understand it. So where's income coming from? >> Well, people are supporting my work. People today I people who watch me know that I never ask for anything. I'm very careful about I never say buy my books because I feel it sort of um contaminates the message. Three times a year I do a video asking people to donate and people are generous. They want to see this work continue. >> Beautiful. But everybody who watches me knows I never try to sell a book. Uh I never ever asked for money except three times a year or there was once an emergency. It doesn't matter what it was. There was once an emergency but people know because I never ask that when I do do and I do that before Rashana before Pes for Kaneka. That's when I ask. That's it. It's going to be one video. I talk about what I'm doing and so people support it and people do buy my books uh on our website outreach Judaism. I again I everybody who's watching me now who has watched me knows that I never talk about well that's why I was asking. Yeah, >> that's what happened. So people make sure that >> it's good to know and I appreciate where where you're coming from on that. >> Uh you said missionaries. Let's talk about it for a what's what's bothering you so much about missionaries if you can explain it to me on a simple level. >> Yeah. fundamentalist Christians, not your Hillary Clinton Christian, not the Roman Catholics, but fundamentalist Christians are targeting Jews for conversion. And whereas the church, you're probably wondering, well, they've always tried to convert to Christianity. In the 70s, early 70s, they developed a new technique. Remember, early 70s, it was right after the six- day war. There was a messianic fervor in the world. The church realized that it had to evangelize the Jews. Jerusalem, after all, now is in the hands of Israel, which is messianic prophecy. It's very, very clear. They thought Jesus was going to make a second coming by the year 2000. Whoops. But the point is there's this push to convert the Jews and missionaries gather, the evangelicals gather in western Switzerland to figure out why had the church failed in the past to evangelize the Jews and what could we do now differently to succeed in finally converting the Jews. And they discover two points and I want the viewers to listen like they've never listened in their lives. Number one, they realize that Jewish people who are not religious don't want to convert to Christianity because for some reason Jews equate Christianity with persecution. Yeah, I know. I'm surprised too. But I never heard a Jew go, "Ah, Jesus Christ." What a m hear those words. Say it again. I want to get more and pleasure and say it's such a most Jewish people see Christianity as a not just alien but as our implacable enemy and hostile. And so therefore they came with a technique to address this. You're Jewish. We love you. We love the Jews. And those Christians that persecuted Jews in the name of Jesus, they weren't real Christians. So that was number one. So we love you and we support Israel and they really do support Israel. 70 million Americans are Christian Zionists, the largest voting block in America and they're extremely pro-Israel. So they can actually point to that and say, "Look, the second issue they realize is that Jews don't want to convert to another religion." And I'm talking about you. I'm talking about your cousin who's not observant. Even though she might not be observant and doesn't go to synagogue or whatever, but she does not want to be a Christian, she is proud of her Jewish identity. And that's where the second technique could come in that's been devastatingly successful and goes like this. When you become a believer in Yeshua, you're not converting to another religion. Oh, no. You're becoming a messianic Jew, a completed Jew, a fil Jew. It's the most Jewish thing you can do. After all, Jesus was a Jew. His disciples are Jewish. How could it not be Jewish to believe in Jesus? And then what they do is they blur the distinctions between Judaism and Christianity in order to lure Jews who might otherwise resist a straightforward Christian message. So they don't call him Jesus Christ. It's Yeshua Hamashiach. It's not the New Testament. It's the Britash. They will never say come to church. Jews don't want to go to church. Jews definitely do not want to go to church. They didn't even want to go to shul. How you going to get them into a church? Come to a messianic synagogue, which is a church that dressed up to look like a shul that don't say convert to Christianity. You'll never hear them say that. Become a completed and fulfilled messianic Jew. So they engage in this kind of sophistry of just lingo. There's no substantive difference between a what's called a Messianic Jew and a Christian except that one is using rabbitic Judaism cultural icons and norms and liturgy wearing a keypad set all of that but they are thoroughly Christian. There's no there's no difference in doctrine between what Jews for Jesus believes which is a Baptist mission to the Jews. Jews for Jesus is a baptism. That's just one of more than a thousand missionary groups operating in here and in North America targeting the Jews for conversion. They're all over the place. But that's a Baptist mission to convert the Jews to Christianity. So it's those two methods of saying presenting ourselves loving Jews and well we are against the Catholics who hate >> got to say from a branding marketing perspective. I mean kudos to them. they did something right in terms of how to brand themselves and you know >> that's correct. >> So so that's interesting to learn and I appreciate learning about that. I'm curious through your um journey of learning about all these different ideas and concepts. Has there been let me ask it a little differently. Um, when is the last time intellectually you changed your mind? Oh yeah. So I used to think that the war um over the land of Israel was largely political and then be be somehow had a religious um but then I so like for instance when Sunni and Shia split very very early on after Muhammad's death the split was really a political split but eventually religious aspects evolve. I realized after not just October 7th but the anti-semitism after October 7th that it really is a completely religious war between Israel and its interlocators and it was not about politics. It wasn't about uh it was about an idea of dar Islam which means that is lands that have come into control of Islam um cannot cannot be under the control of anybody but Muslims and that this was in fact a religious war. However, I couldn't understand Jewish. So we have a an idea that the Benish, the Arabs, not not just Muslim but the Benish would do Chuva. They would return to the Jewish people. We would unite with them and our chief enemy would be Persia which is so historically makes no sense because Persia was a a benevolent empire to the Jews. The Cisanian Empire was really nice as the Talm was written in the Cisanian Empire in southern Mesopotamia. But now, oh, so now we see what's actually happening is that so I I realize that the conflict we have really is a religious one and politics has nothing to do with it. And number two is I realize what's happening is that Persia's role because they're attacking the Persian Gulf states now. They're they're attacking real Arabs who are the descendants of Ishmael, not Muslims in the subsahara. They're attacking specific and what's happening is the leader of Saudi Arabia is going if it wasn't for my dad I would have a peace treaty with Israel. It doesn't matter what whether what he's saying now is true or not correct. It has anything to do with his dad. But that he would never have said that 10 years ago. So what's happening in the Islamic world in the Sunni Arab Arab Gulf states is that they realize that their problem is not to the west Israel but the problem is to the east Iran and therefore everything is playing out. So there my view is shifted. Interesting. I appreciate that. You know I have uh friends that buy and rent uh buildings apartments in Jerusalem in Israel. >> Yeah. something that I've been recently thinking about when you were talking earlier about the Christians and the and the uh impact that they have for Israel and the support they have for Israel. I have to tell you some something interesting I just learned like and and I knew about it for a long time that when you buy property in Israel like an apartment, all right, that's sitting on a piece of property. There's a concept called where you're leasing the property for 99 years as opposed to buying the property. >> So there are people that have no choice and they want to live in a certain area and they sign a lease. I've recently come to learn that that term has been altered based on the ownership belonging to the Christian uh community and people are now leasing property for 30 years or you know you know in that realm and and I'm curious if you don't mind explaining to me and our listeners what is happening in the town of Jerusalem who's owning these properties and may or Maybe there's not enough information that you have. I'm just curious if if you can shed light to it in terms of how do they own so much property? Do they have the ownership rights over it? What is the real estate like in Jerusalem and in Israel in general when it comes to the religion? And you know, who's controlling it really? And what kind of pathway do we have to grow? I mean, we're waiting for Msiah to come and have the third base of Mikdash. What's going to happen then? I'm curious about this topic. If you can shed some light. >> This is not my area expertise. However, it's highly variegated. The largest land owners here in Jerusalem is the are the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church by far. In fact, it was only during the Oslo that the Vatican signed diplomatic relations with Israel because if they thought Jerusalem was going to be divi divided, they s needed a seat at the table. So there are many many places which even the Supreme Court of Israel is sitting on land that's owned by the Orthodox Church. That's one example. Now there are homes is real estate where people really really own the land but it's not owned by the Orthodox Church and the land was owned by Jews like in Talpod. I know many people who actually actually do own the land. And then there's land that the state owns the land and you really are buying the house. So it's not monolithic. It really depends on where you are. Like the David Citadel Hotel is I don't know if that status has changed recently or not, but you know that was sitting on land owned by the Orthodox Church. Um, so it really depends on where you are in China, but the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church ownorous property here and it really is becoming a serious problem, >> right? I mean, is there anything we can do? >> Yeah, that's I'm not the guy. That's not my expertise. Yeah, but there are people that are focused on it and >> there are people who are focused on it. They they would answer that better. >> Well, let me ask you a question. Besides your area of expertise that is obvious to the listeners. What else is on your mind? I mean um kids uh you know uh just what's happening in the world social media um you know anxiety um depressions uh the war and you know so much happening besides this area of what's obviously you know takes a majority of your day. What else do you think about that's worrying you or that's >> the the big issue right now is one thing we are living it's not that we're living before the messianic age that we're living in it that means the meal that we eat on the first night of Pesak is called the seder which is an odd name means an order 15 events discreetly separated we are living in that right now this is what occupies my mind all the half the Jews in the known Jews in the world living in the land of Israel. I want to bring the other half back there. If they don't come here, which they should, then we're going to get Mam Dami Mamani in New York. How did a gi become the mayor of the largest Jewish city in the world? That's a signal. I mean every day we this is what's on my mind is that the Jewish people should return now to the land of Israel. Ramban considers it a mitzvah thea. I encourage people to read his comment on numbers chapter 33 verse 53. It's very very clear and they should make their way here. If not like we see what's happening in England. We see what's happening. So they all know their time is up. see what they see what's happening in Belgium where circumcision has become banned and we've been there before. So people I mean bur will keep turning up dialing up the heat and right now Jews in the area can walk the streets and and feel a sense of security. That's what's on my mind all >> what do you think is the biggest threat to Judaism today? The biggest threat would be is if Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, if they wanted to destroy us, all they he would have to do is the following. Dave Smith would get on his podcast, Tucker would announce with his millions of viewers that I made a huge mistake and I love Israel and I love the Jewish people. Um if the world would uh turn away from its hostility towards Kali Israel it would have a catastrophic impact on us means what unites us across the board no matter what denomination you belong to my brother is anti-semitism that's all I hear about and people are perplexed by because it doesn't make sense why the Jews why now it it so doesn't make sense why would there be an opposition to people who believe America first to the notion that the most dangerous country in the world would possess the most dangerous weapon in the world. Let's say you don't care about Israel. If Isra I I have never been told that Israel has nuclear weapons. I'm going to assume they do. Okay. And Iran certainly was very close to it. If Iran would have had a nuclear weapon and launch it at Israel and Israel would respond in time. It has submarines that probably have nuclear weapons. What would occur? It would be a nuclear winter. America would be destroyed. So if America, if you believe in America only and America first, if you have that, if you're a Buchananite, you it really is very important to you that Iran does not possess a nuclear weapon. And unlike North Korea, which you might think is crazy in Iran, they're not. North Korea has nuclear weapons which they acquired during the Clinton administration in order to prevent anyone from attacking them. It's defensive. But Iran is a Shia Islam iteration. That means they're incentivized to see this end time war with the Jews. So therefore, it doesn't even make sense. That means let's play a thought experiment. So India and Pakistan both hate each other and are both nuclear powers since the late 90s, right? If they were to have a nuclear exchange, I mean, unless you lived in New Zealand, the world would be destroyed. There would be radioactive material that would spread all over the world. It would be catastrophic is only the word. I don't have another word, but it would be worse than that. A global catastrophe. And we don't want them having a nuclear we don't want them having a nuclear exchange. So therefore, the anti-semitism doesn't even make sense. It's not rational right now. Everybody should want Iran to be pre uh prevented from accessing nuclear weapons. So therefore, it's la the anti-semitism doesn't make sense. Why would you hate the Jews? Have you been mugged by an accountant? Like why what do you want from Jews? All they do is invent a vaccine for polio and figure out how to get penicellin into a a pill form so that American soldiers fighting World War II won't die from infection. Like what do you want? they probably delivered you. So the anti-semitism is irrational. People are catching on to that, >> right? So if they wanted to destroy us just like us and we would like um the the what the Jews what Israel enjoyed I'll change that what the Jewish people enjoyed during the nepo during the time Napoleon led let's say from the 1799 to 1815 where Jews enjoyed emancipation was actually very in the long run was very bad because it triggered enormous assimilation the consequences were enormous. >> A little bit of a lighter side of things for a second because this has been fascinating to me to and so much that I'm learning from and I want to get back to it in a minute. >> On a lighter note, do you vacation? Do you get away? Do you take time off to yourself? How do you I mean this this topic is causing me a little bit of angst just sitting here and listening to it. So I can't imagine what it's doing to someone like you on a constant basis because you're battling it. How do you how do you step away from it all? >> Yeah, but I'm doing the thing I would do. I'm I love what I do. I mean, if I were doing real estate, I would not really want to do real estate. I just want whatever how people make money in real estate. I mean, no one really enjoys the actual selling buy a house. Maybe they get some sort of thrill from I don't know. Uh but I do what I love. Now when I made aliyah in in 2019 in June 2019 by March of 2020 co broke out. So everything shut down. So the thought about a vacation. Where really would I want to go? England. Like just walk the streets of Manchester. In case you the viewer haven't seen Manchester, it's a nightmare. You don't want to be there. So what where exactly do I want to go? Like I am where I always wanted to be, where I prayed about being and I live in Jerusalem. Like where would I go? That's better. I mean that's it. >> Okay. That's that's a beautiful thing. Yeah. >> I I I don't I think I'll tell you this when I walk out the door and I just can't believe I'm here every day. >> So it's almost like you're living the dream. >> I'm visiting Disneyland, but it's real. It's not fake. Right. which is really wonderful. Uh and and I appreciate that perspective a lot. I'm just curious in general like how do you unwind, you know? Uh >> I'm I'm my work is what makes me happy getting that email. I was in the church for many years and I did chuva meeting someone on the street who tells me that you know his whole family converted that that's >> so you hear about conversions of people that come back. >> It's large numbers. >> It's large numbers. You're not keeping tally or anything? >> And I could tally, but it's very large. >> We're talking about hundreds of >> Oh, no. Well, there are millions and millions of people watching me on YouTube. >> Yeah. >> Um, so I don't have no idea. And I I imagine I don't know and it's not. Let's think about your your favorite authors or your favorite YouTube people person out there. You don't really make a you don't you're not trying to contact them. So most people are not contact, but I bump into them and they want to talk and they tell me. So I know that it's making a difference every video. The other thing is I don't need to travel. I used to have to travel >> because in order to convey the information I had to speak in front of a very large audience. Not that I'm not doing that now, but now there's YouTube. So it's not necessary. Combine that with the in Israel I'm safe, but in America as an example, you know, you see what happened to Charlie Kirk? >> Yeah. I I you know so we there's so much security involved in me doing public speaking it just is is I do I do that but this so is a complication that >> I understand so keeping it light and in in >> keep so far you have not man >> I'm going to get there >> there's nothing about what I do it's light so you don't have a chance >> I'm gonna say keeping it more um you know recreational in terms of your life and also in interest of of what you Tell me about some of your favorite spots in Israel to go to and I >> I really am a Jerusalem only person. >> So tell me some of your favorite spots in Jerusalem. >> Oh within within three miles. Aha. There's my defiancy. It's miles. Stop with the kilometers. That's a French concept. It's you know within just a few miles of the old city is where I'm happy and that's where I'm really at peace. I enjoy visiting. I enjoy going to other cities. I went to a wedding uh was it two nights ago in Ashkalon it was very nice but I very very much enjoy >> and what's happening with the whole King David right there's a lot going on now that's being unearthed you familiar with that whole uh >> you mean in the city of David of course that's rich >> can you shed some light on that >> yeah of course that's where that's the most archaeologically rich place that we have access to I mean most would be the the actual temple mount but we don't have access to do digging there. We could only, but we can't. Soon we will probably but um so the city of David is just south of the old city. You'd go out of dungate which is the southernmost part of the old city. But as it turns out during biblical times, the city of Jerusalem was further south. So like for instance where Damascus Gate is, which is in the northern part of the old city, the old city, for those who don't know, this is very tiny. It's less than a square kilometer, not mile, less than a square kilometer. It's extremely tiny. But as it turns out, the the Jerusalem, the wall city of Schlam, you would move it. So the parts that are in the northern part like Lion's Gate, Mass Gate, those parts were not inside of Jerusalem and temple times. It would be much further south. And those who are familiar with the old city right behind the court where the minora is and so on there's actually the wall from the time of the first temple from the time of so the old city it wasn't called the old city then so Jerusalem then in biblical times was furthest out went down to the city of David that's what's very very critical the only part of today's old city and the old city I did it again Jerusalem of biblical times that have in common is the temple mount and the Jewish quarter. The Jewish quarter is the southwest part of the old city. So it's marvelous that that that's the Jewish quarter. So it so the city of David is where the kings were, where their palace was, that's where the rich archaeology is. That's where Tanakh is, that's where the Bible was written. Not all of it, but Isaiah, uh, Mika, Zephaniah, Sana, Yerahu, that's where they preached, you know, Zakaria, this is where they all lived and preached and wrote it. It's all there. All the kings were there. It's mindblow. It's just you you feel like it's not it can't be real, but it is real. It's the real >> and you're watching it being unearthed and coming up with things. And I I'll share this thought with you and I think you'll relate to this. So logically when we look at the western wall so so we know it's the rem remain what is remaining of essentially of the second temple right so it should be a nightmare to see the the coel the western wall should cause pain in us because it's essentially a relic of what once was and in fact we have a minute to tear our shirt when we see it especially the first time so why are people so uplifted why so happy there. This will explain the city of David. This will explain the Western Wall. It should be just we look at it and gosh, look what Vespasian, look what Taste does. It should cause us to just feel sad. Why is there such a a numinous feeling of hope? It's very simple. What will happen to the Western Wall when the Messiah comes? We're very close now. So, there's a third temple that's coming. It's described with every detail in Ezekiel chapter 40-48. What will happen to the Western world when Messiah comes? Well, as it turns out, it'll be the first world of the messianic temple. Therefore, right, they're not going to like take it down and build a new one. It's perfectly good. And in fact, it's also earthquake proof. I mean whereas there were numerous earthquakes in Israel and and it doesn't matter when but there there were plenty of them in the in the fourth century in the seventh century 8th night there's earthquakes it's not actually in Jerusalem it happens in the dead sea area the cotel never moves never never has fallen the church holy supplr has they all have not so when Messiah comes that will be the first wall of the messianic basdosh therefore below there because of this when a Jew looks at this gazes upon it we intuitively it's not that we've thought through what I'm saying now it because you who are watching me right now are going ah now I know it's not like I'm telling you something you didn't feel but now we can make sense out of this all the reason why we feel such comfort why we feel like we're in the bosom of God we're next to the of the western wall which the measure says would never be destroyed and the would never leave there very explicitly says that. But with there, we're also looking at our future, not just our past. We're looking at our the first part of the messianic temple described in Tanakh. And therefore, it's our hope, not just a sad past. That's a very nice way of looking at it. By the way, I feel like putting up a sign so people know when they come in why we're happy. By the way, I partnered up with a very holy Jew in Israel a few years ago and we put a vending machine right outside the cotel and we have ka shirts that people can buy for tenshkeel and rip a shirt and get that mitzvah. >> So I'm uh you know I'm always mesmerized about this topic about the old city and the coel and being happy when you're walking in. It's an interesting thing. You're doing >> you're doing a mitzvah of remembering but right then you have to go into the happy mode of looking forward but no one has to work on being happy. Meaning what I'm submitting is that all of us when we come to the Western world, when we dive in there, we feel happy. It's euphoric. It's numminous. We feel hope. Why? That should show us how how vulnerable we are to our enemies. This is the only thing that survived Tus in the year 70 when the B was destroyed. Why are we so happy there? Why is there dancing there? Because that's the Bamedosh. For those who don't know this, if you want to get a sense of the size of the third temple, if you see the Dome of the Rock, the temple, the messianic temple will be three times the size of the Dome of the Rock. So imagine Dome of the Rock. So that's onethird of the height of the final temple. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Very cool. I loving this conversation. Appreciating you tremendously. We're going to have to wrap up shortly. Um I'd like to end off our podcast with a couple of things. So, first I'm going to ask you, do you have any questions for me? Nothing to debate. Just if you have any questions, >> what would you want me to ask you? >> Wow. Uh, what would I want you to >> see? Gotcha. >> Yeah. >> Great question. I appreciate. >> You know why I think I think that we're both so that we're all in such I want to bring out a point rather than this to be some sort of mental exercise. I think that we're so oversaturated with information and feelings of high and pain and wonder and what's going to be tomorrow. I know that when you wake up in the morning, one of the first thing you do is run the computer or your cell phone and you look up the news and want to know what happened in the last seven hours, right? Because and then we go, "Wow, I can't believe that happened." Right? So, we are so in overload right now. This is what I even again we don't know each other but we do. In fact, you know, we're not in our middle ages or whatever we are. We're both 3,300 years old. We're an we're an ancient people and we're standing on the shoulders of our ancestors. And without knowing you, I am confident that one of the thoughts that's passed by in through your mind is why am I here? But my great greatgrandfather couldn't even dream of being here. And I know you thought that like why me? My great-grandmother was a giant. Why am I here? And I don't know why and neither do I. But we are according to God's plan and his perfect wisdom and understanding. So what I think has just happened between us is that we are so overloaded with emotion and feeling and understanding that we're actually living through in real time. Therefore, it's hard for us to think outside of that. Therefore, when you ask me what would I ask you, you're going what what are we talking about? We're talking about the how the Msiah comes. How we're going to ask like is show Otani going to like that's doesn't even make sense. like that's not important, you know, it's not important if if you know. So that's what's happening. We're all in not an overlord, but we're all right now very very aware that the there there is it's a tectonic shift that's going on now, a fight in America for a battle for the future of the United States. What will happen in November 2028? Who will, you know, what will Trump take out Iran's, you know, enriched uranium? That's that's us in our mind. Those are existential threats. I I don't want to do this, but I'll just say this. I used to work for Channel 7 here in Israel, broadcasting news and news talk. And then we talk about bus bombings during the inifads, right? Uh bus number 22, number 18 bus, suicide bomber. Eight people, 10 people were killed. And it was a the trauma was enormous. But that was not an existential threat to the entire state of Israel. It was a terror attack was confined to that bus. Iran's nuclear program is an existential threat to our survival. What happened since October 7th, if they didn't stop and rape everyone and take film themselves and burn babies as I don't have a word, barbarians, if they had just gone through and sliced through like a blitzkrieg, they would could have destroyed Israel. So we're now we know we're in a fight for our survival. That's where we all are at. That's why these other matters are are tangential. They're just like who cares, >> right? And it's a great perspective of that we're in it together. No matter how old we are, we share that history which is >> but part of that shelf shell. We're part of that chain. We're not in this alone. We're in this spot where our great-grandparents only dreamed about. What do you say to people who are like it's dangerous to live in Israel and uh >> well they're just completely there's no point of contact means they're not here mean you and I walk down the streets of Israel we're safe here >> I mean Jerusalem having a very very safe even during the time of this rockets or whatever Jerusalem is very very safe in America when I lecture I have to be very very careful about my security here I feel but I will say this Israel has a covenant with God. God's hand is over this place. On April 13th, 2024, Iran, for the first time in history, launched an attack directly against Israel. 300 missiles, ballistic missiles, and drones were launched from the 13th to the 14th. If a ballistic missile would have hit any of our mammads or our we'd be dead. We'd never survive it. Zero people were killed. One Bedawin girl was injured from a fragment. Means God's hand is here. I worry about America because America must bless Israel. We're going on. I I I love America. Not only was I born there, but my parents were born there. So I want America to do the right thing. Her security is at stake. England's security is at stake. But Israel has a covenant from God. And that covenant cannot be undone by a quartet or a United Nations. It's sealed in a vault in heaven. And the lease is there for all the world to see in the Torah. So I'm not worried about this. I'm worried about them. That's a beautiful way to wrap up this conversation. I really appreciate that. uh and all the words of wisdom from your uh from your mouth to all our ears and I hope to absorb it more. Um one last thing that I always ask people is if you can recommend someone to be on our podcast, who do you know that would fit something like this in terms of you know getting vulnerable, growing, learning? Who's someone that you would interview as a podcast? Like >> I the people who I want to speak to are people who lived in history. the Abarbanel I would want to spend time speaking to and listening to. >> Yeah, I can't summon anyone like that. Um, but I definitely appreciate it. I uh thanks shout out again to Ben Bowdenheim for recommending you and uh always love hearing good feedback and uh listening to people and asking uh me to get people on who can get vulnerable and growing. And I appreciate you being here. Thank you to all of our listeners, our subscribers, the comments. We love it all. Thank you to the Prime Source production team and to the uh great work that we're doing as a company as a whole. It was great to have you on. >> Thank you so much. >> That's a wrap. Wow, this is amazing.