Rabbi Kahane Student Breaks Silence After 30 Years

Never again. Never again will Jews go quietly. The world needs to know that we're not going to be weak. We're not going to take this anymore. Jews, stop running. Hit back and hit back hard. This is what I'm imploring all your listeners. Get mad. Mad stands for make a difference. >> None of your business, Oshi. None of your business, Michael. It's the None of your business [music] podcast hosted by Michael and Oshi. >> Welcome back everybody to another amazing episode of the None of Your Business Podcast. I use the word amazing this time because you are an amazing individual which we'll get into in a minute. Thank you for our sponsors, Prime Source, Prime Source Production Team. Don't forget if you have a senior care facility or any other expense running building and you need to save money, call us and we will help you magically make those costs go down. Uh I'm joined of course with our co-host Oshi Schwarz and today we have with us the amazing Sacket. Welcome to the program. >> Thank you very much. Pleasure to be here. It's uh it's really a pleasure to have you here. I know that you live in Israel and you came all the way just for this podcast. >> Not exactly, but I'm gonna say yes. [laughter] >> Well, we'll get to that in a minute. Thank you to all our comments. You know, we've been getting a lot of love and also a little bit of hate and uh we're loving it all. We'd like to see what you guys have to say and we are interested and we're keeping it interesting and uh it's helping us on our mission of growth and we're loving every second of it. Uh, Ribul, >> yes, >> we have this thing called Chachi Piti says what, which is, uh, you know, a way for our audience to get to know you. Uh, but really quick, if you can give me the 30 second background simply because we don't really know who you are. You were highly recommended by someone who was on our podcast who has one of the largest podcast in the Jewish nation, Yakov Langanger. So, thank you, Yako, for recommendation. uh you know, I guess you were just here for a couple of days and scheduling didn't work out, but uh either way, it's a compliment for him to call me and give us a recommendation. So, we appreciate his recommendation and you being here. Um but we really don't know you and uh you know, I spent this morning uh just, you know, quickly googling you and I went my did my chat GPT 10 minutes ago and I'm like reading stuff and I'm like, whoa, Mayor Kahana pops up in there and I'm like, "Oh my god, this is going to be interesting." >> Yeah. But just give us a quick background, who you are, where'd you grow up, a little bit about you in terms of your background. >> So, first of all, thank you for having me on the podcast. >> Pleasure. >> Uh, born and raised in Middle Village, Queens, and I went to YCQ. after that YHSQ which no longer exists and then I graduated Turo College many many moons ago back in 1981 got married to my lovely wife Rhonda and uh we had at the time four children and in 1990 made aliyah from well we we moved from Queens to the five towns and we made aliyah from Woodmir in 1990 to Israel and been living there ever since. In Israel, we added two Israeli born little sabras and uh one of them was birthdays yesterday. She's 30, so it's not little anymore. And Barashem, we've been blessed with many grandchildren. And everybody should just should just be well. Uh in Israel, I came uh and I was in the marketing field. I worked for the door, which is the Israel Postal Authority. I was the one of the marketing managers, but as we'll get into uh they began the Oslo Accords and I couldn't sit uh silently. I knew that this would lead to Jewish bloodshed and I did whatever I could to stop it. Uh and uh we formed we myself and my dear friend Mosha Fagelan formed a movement called Zorenu and we fought against it to the best of our ability. It was a civil disobedience movement. We arrested many many times and u sat in prison and very proud of that. I'm sure we'll discuss that. But uh thank God I'm now fully rehabilitated, no longer a danger to women and children. And uh been fighting for aml ever since. And uh it's it's a great honor to work in what I call the am business to fight for a strong and proud Jewish state. Yes, I am a student of Rab Kahana Rabi Umari. Uh, and I I I teach his I spread his teachings and uh I I I think that this is something that the Jewish world needs to hear more what he said. I believe he was grossly misunderstood and if Amra had listened to his message more and and really implemented his message on a daily basis, uh things would be a lot brighter for AmIrl today. But I'm leaving now in Herzia P. I know I don't look like a Herzelia guy, but I am and been living uh in Herzelia for close to 18 years and it's a beautiful community. Come and join us. And uh just here visiting one of my children live in the five towns. So we came to visit uh as I told her, I'm not coming to visit you. I'm coming to visit your two very cute kids. And in a couple days going back to Israel. That's the elevator pitch. >> Wow. I you did that. Great. But we have a thing called the 30 secondond pitch. >> Yeah. I mean the podcast's over. You can go. [laughter] We got it. Excellent. We learned everything we need. >> You know, when you say Herzelia, there's there's like a hotel there that has uh they accept points. So, everybody, the Rits, >> everybody goes to the Rits. I don't think anyone pays for the Ritz in Herzelia. Everyone's using points there. >> Now, I meet these people because I'm the Gabi of the Schul and we're the only Ashkanazi schul in the entire Herzelia. There's there's about 12ish, one Ashkanazi shul. So, when these guys come to the to the rit, they wind up diving by us. Mention none of your business and I'll give you an Aaliyah. >> How's that? How's that? Which one? Shishi, which one? >> Uh, it depends if you like the podcast or not. >> Well, let's get into it because I appreciate that background really like, you know, cuz it just helps me, you know, understanding who you are. You were influenced by Rabbi Mayor Kahana, a name that still clears rooms, yet you choose speeches, protests, and politics instead of violence. [snorts] That distinction somehow gets lost on people. You know, I should have started off saying, "Welcome back to the uh controversial uh podcast." Um, you know, I don't know enough about Ra Mayor Kahana, but I definitely know that he was labeled many times as someone who potentially brought violence or was labeled as that. And I'm curious how that happened. What's that background? I don't want to use other harsh words, but I do know that it has been used in the past. I'm curious, first of all, who was he to you? Who was he to the Jewish people? Who's that person now? What are we missing? Let's talk about that for a minute because I grew up in an era knowing that you know when I was in uh you know on the streets of Brooklyn on Avenue J, we had a few people come over to us when we were 15 years old and asked us you know hey you want to join a movement called the JDL and uh didn't really know much about it. You're familiar with America and >> I don't know anything about any of this that you guys are talking about. So for me this is a purely educational. I'm hearing it for the first time. So, if you can give a little bit more color, a little bit more flavor to who this Americana was or is, is he still alive? >> Unfortunately, no. >> Okay. >> Um, in 1968, Rabbi Americana formed the Jewish Defense League. The Jewish Defense League was an organization that uh advocated strength and pride and discipline for the Jewish people. The reason why he founded the the the organization is because they were originally a group of Jewish teachers who were being harassed in the public schools. And he had uh he wanted to learn the lesson of the Holocaust where Jews cannot go or were no longer willing to go as lambs to the slaughter. And he coined the term never again. Never again will Jews go quietly when an anti-semite just tells him move. Those days are over. and Robert kind of installed in us. Now again, I was not involved in 1968. I was born in 1961. I got very involved in Jewish fencing in the 70s. But he had a bunch of guys who if there was an anti-semitic problem, they dealt with it not by sending letters to the mayor or um those days facts or a telegram or whatever. They went and simply beat up the anti-semite. Rabbi Kana coined the term violence is always bad but sometimes necessary. We are right now recording this podcast on Khanekahan. While it's very nice to give gifts to the children and to light candles, it's about Jews fighting. It's about Jews that were disgusted with the helanized Jews and with the Greeks and with the decrees against the Jewish girls and they took to the streets and they fought back and the whole Tanakh is filled with Jews who would not sit quietly. Rabbi Kana simply taught us the lessons of the Tanakh and we put it to use. As a matter of fact, there was a group that he formed [clears throat] called the Kaya squad. You know throughout history in Yiddish there's a term called the vaya vaya the wild animal. This is usually it means ah these go they're a bunch of vaya bunch of wild animals and they're hurting the Jews. He said, "The time has come for Jews to have a Kaya [clears throat] squad." And the Kaya squad was formed. And anytime there was a problem, the Kaya squad would be called and these guys, these Jewish guys came, whether it was to Brooklyn College or to uh Queens College or to Avenue J or Williamsburg for whatever it was. And I can only tell you that when these Jews showed up, the Goyam ran away. And at the time when the Jewish Defense League was formed, there was a group in New York called the Black Panthers. You don't want to mess with these guys. But the Jewish Defense League ended the threat against the Jewish community through uh uh a real a serious actions on their part without going into details. And I joined the Jewish Defense League in the 70s. My wife was also in the Jewish Defense. We didn't know each other at the time. And uh we were fighting primarily for the freedom of Soviet jury. Names like Ysef Mendelvich and um uh Anatoli Sharanski and Marina Tminkin and Idan Newell and Ysef Beun. These were Jews who were trapped behind the iron curtain. And every year there would be rallies. This was called Solidarity Sunday. and they would have all these demonstrations and trying to cause you know bring it to public awareness about what was happening that Jews could not leave in the 70s Jews could not leave Russia they were trapped there and Rabbi Kahana said all these protests 3 400,000 people would come on a solidarity Sunday it was always in April and it would be on like I don't know page 15 in the newspaper so we would take a couple of JDL guys and we would physically block the roads on uh you know uh Third Avenue and 61st Street where the Russian embassy was. We would throw bottles of red paint through the windows of the Russian embassy. And guess what? We were on page one. We put the Russian Jewish uh problem on page one of the New York Times. And this is to me it really attracted me because I can't stand Jewish weakness. We need Jewish strength. And every holiday that we have, whether it's Kaneko, whether it's Purum, it's always about Jewish strength. And this is what we need. Take a look what's happening today. What happened in Australia, what's happening all over the world. I I just understand that yesterday, a bunch of Jewish kids had a ran off of a train in New York because a bunch of anti-semmites got on, started yelling at them, and they were going to light the minor somewhere in Manhattan. They feared for their lives. Jews, stop running. Hit back. had hit back hard. This was the Jewish Defense League. Then Rabbi Kahana made aliyah and started to talk about these concepts in Israel. Specifically talking about driving the Arabs out of Israel. He said Israel is for Jews only and Arabs have 22 countries. They need to leave. Obviously that's a very controversial message and uh he was uh not accepted by everybody but mainly the Sphartic Jews loved that message. Do you know why? because they grew up with the Arabs. They know the Arabs a lot better than anybody from the Western world knows them and they loved his message and he was elected to the Knesset in 1984 with one seat. Today the minimum number of seats you could have is four and you know you can't get into the Knesset today unless you have enough seat enough votes for four seats. Then it was one seat. He was very popular in the Knesset. By 1988 when they was he was up for reelection polls had him anywhere between seven and 12 seats but the Israeli Kesset couldn't deal with his uh views and they banned him for various reasons and they did not allow him to run in 1988. the only one that was banned from running, Rabbi Mer Kahana, an Orthodox rabbi who based everything on the Torah. And unfortunately, two years later at a speech in a Manhattan hotel, El Sayed Noer Makimo assassinated him. He was killed in Yud Keshvan. I think it was November 4th, 1990. And he was brutally murdered in Manhattan. And uh he's been gone now for 35 years. Uh tremendous loss to the Jewish nation. And uh I took upon myself to continue spreading his message uh of Jewish strength, of Jewish unity. The love that he had for every Jew was incredible. And uh yes, even though he is controversial and people say, "Back off from him." On the contrary, he is what has he's the reason I moved to Israel. He's he instilled values in us of of of of strong and and and pro strength rather and pride and discipline and uh it's something that gives me great uh happiness when I'm able to spread his message. In short, Rabbi Maria Kahana, you're looking down from us from Shamayan. I hope I'll make you proud and uh we will hopefully bring your message to fruition. >> Wow. [laughter] >> Wow. Uh, that was I'm going to let you handle this one. >> Please. Oh my god, I have so many questions. >> I've always told people you could ask me whatever you want, but just be prepared for my answer. >> Encourage you. I would love to have this exchange with you because I actually want to get educated in this. And this is something that I'm sure a lot of people uh have a little bit of uncertainty around, right? There's a little bit of unclarity because there's a fine line >> for the Jewish people in our history. We've always been persecuted. We've always been the victims, so to speak, right? In pretty much every single story line. And then we have certain celebrations for holidays where you know we were about we were in peril and you know we were in jeopardy and our lives were in danger and we got saved through some type of miracle. Very very rarely do we see in our history where the Jews sort of uh fought back right where we were in a position of strength where you know we didn't have to worry about enemies you know attacking us because we're well fortified. Typically we were always caught off guard. We were always vulnerable and we needed those miraculous things to happen in order to get saved. And it's sort of been our MO. It's sort of almost been taken for granted. Like this is the way it's supposed to be. We're in exile. Uh we no longer are part of the you know messiah times that you know was back then that will eventually come one day. And uh we need to know our place. We need to know where we are. This is the reality. It hurts. It stings. And we know that you know anti-semitism has been rampant around the globe for thousands of years. But it's almost like by design that's the way it's supposed to be and we've sort of accepted that. Then over time different movements started happening. Uh the the the state of Israel you know came about and started evolving and getting stronger where now Jewish people there's a whole different identity to Jewish people today where like you said he coined the term never again. Correct. He took that very seriously as did a lot of people really saying never again and we're going to do everything in our power to sort of take matters into our own hands. So what I'd like to ask you is sort of where is that fine line that we can all agree on as to where's the point where we say we are in exile. Uh we're not supposed to be that you know dominant race. We're not supposed to be at a an executive level you know we're supposed to be toned down but still not beaten up. uh not killed, you know, not uh persecuted to the point that we have no sense of stability wherever we go. Like where is that line that we can sort of all agree on because I feel like Mayor Kahana's version is to the extreme side of saying do whatever we can to gain that upper hand and let's form the state of Israel, kick out all the Arabs like they have no right to the land whatsoever. >> Right? He's taking a very extreme stance which I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong. I don't know. But what I do know is that we have for a very long time, great rabbis have come and gone and no one has taken that stance for a very long time that we need to defend ourselves. We need to rally the troops. We need to make sure that all the Jewish people unify and that you know we're we're protecting ourselves. That's kind of not what's been done in the past. Um and then over time that's evolved and there's a lot of extreme side to that now. Walk me through sort of where is that middle ground of what is that that fine balance of where we should be or is there no balance in your view or in your view is no no do whatever we can let's come out on top as if the Messiah is here already and and uh the Jewish people need to be on top where's that line I understand 100% you know when you say that this has never been done you're right but what makes a person a great leader is that person does things that have never been done before there was until the baltov came and found the kasidic movement and uh these are things that for hundreds of what there was all of a sudden you need the kididic movement all of a sudden you need the uh you saw salanta to form the muser movement yes now you needed the mus movement now you needed the kidic movement and now we need the Jewish defense movement we're not looking to take over New York and we're not looking to take over uh uh Sydney Australia but the days of of of of persecution of Jews. The days of beating up Jews are over. I don't accept the fact that well, you know, this is what happens. We're scapegoat. We're always scapegoats and we're blamed for things and we'll just have to put our head low and we can't wear our keepa anymore. If this country has Jewish freedom and the most beautiful thing about the United States of America is that you can express your religion and you can practice it freely. Again, I live in Israel now, but I grew up in the United States and I worked in Manhattan for, you know, big companies, uh, RCA, Global Communications. I wore my Keipa. I had a beard. I took my clients to kosher restaurants. And I was always the top one of the top three salesmen in the entire country out of 270 salespeople. And I did it with a keepa, and I did it with Torah values. And and I would never allow myself to be persecuted. There's no reason for that to happen. So, we're not looking to form an army. We're not looking to take over, but we're not going to be that nebish weak people anymore. We are the children of God who saved us, excuse me, selected us. When we get called up to the Torah, we say, "Hashem, God, Almighty God, King of Kings, you chose us. 7 billion people in the world. How many Jews are there? 02%. Hashem shows us we need to walk with our heads high. Rabana always taught us that pride on the individual level is something very bad. We need to live modest, humble lives. However, we're not allowed to be modest and humble on the national level. And this is something that people constantly forget. You know, when we were thrown out of Israel, you mentioned in the exile about 2,000 years ago. So we were living in communities and we also were individual Jews. But the concept of the nation was lost. There was no amra when the when when when Jews are all over the world. But now we're back. As of 1948, we're back in Israel and we are the Jewish nation. And that's why all these anti-Semites always say today, I'm not against the Jews, I'm against Israel. They see the same thing that Israel, the state of Israel and Jews are one and the same and you need to be strong and you need to take a stand and therefore I implore every single person to get a legal again a legal weapon. There's no question about it. Raban used to say every Jew at 22. He he always said I wanted to say every Jew in M16 but it doesn't rhyme. But again, get a weapon legally again following all the laws because as Zev Jabetinski once said, better to have and not need than need and not have. So, Jews need to know how to protect themselves. Jews need to be able to take Krav Maga and courses in self-defense. And I'm not saying that, you know, when somebody sees a Jew walking down the street, oh my god, a Jew, let's run away. He could beat us up. Jackie Mason used to talk about that. But it's something that we have to shed. Who says that we have to be the persecuted one for 2,000 years? We can't uh uh rewrite history, but those days are over. And Jews need to be able to defend themselves and be proud of who they are. Interesting. Uh, and I can resonate with what you're saying, but wouldn't you agree that there is a fine line between being proud of who you are and uh, not being afraid to, you know, share your identity with the world versus getting a little bit, you know, encroaching on taking matters into your own hands through violence, which means that if somebody, you know, is threatening you, you're allowed to, you know, uh, take [clears throat] action prior to them hurting you. But here we're almost going a little bit of level above that. It's we really want to make a name for ourselves. We're we're taking action in a drastic way to scare people off. Don't mess with us again. And what that is going to entail is going out and uh making moves and you know being being out there and you know being uh engaged in in some kind of I I I don't want to say you know uh threatening environment but it just sounds like this is forming your own army so to speak. Let me let me ask you a question. This past Shabas I went to Schul in the young Israel of Lawrence Cedhurst. Beautiful community beautiful Shaw. There are three offduty cops standing there. All the doors are locked. Only one door is unlocked where people come in and out of and there are three armed guards. Do you think that's normal for three armed guards to stand in a shul on Shabas morning? Why do we have that? Because we become a target. Why become a target? Because we're weak. And I'm telling you right now, the the world needs to know that we're not not going to be weak. We're not going to take this anymore. And this is something again, I'm not looking to form an army, but I also don't want to have to rely on three offduty cops to protect us as we dive in shabas. >> That's always been my challenge. My challenge has always been, you're right. I I'm like so appreciating what you're saying. We shouldn't be weak. Gone are the days where we get trampled on. Gone are the days when we can't raise a family without fear of someone coming and destroying our family. Like, why can't we live in peace? Leave us alone. We don't want what you have. Please don't want what I have. Let let us be let's live in peace and harmony. That hasn't worked. We haven't lived in harmony. Wherever we are around the world, someone finds a way to make us a scapegoat and someone just finds a way to just, you know, harass us. Yes. True. So, what's the other option? The other option is to take a stand and to uh reinforce ourselves and just, you know, come out on top. Peace through strength, right? You got to be strong. But here's my challenge. Up to what point? Up to what point where we're not meant to be elitists, right? right? We're not meant to show show the world that we're better than everybody else and we're, you know, this has been promised to us and that's why, you know, we're retaking what is ours. It doesn't sit so well and then it makes us hate us even more. Like it's almost counterintuitive. Where is that borderline? At what point are we content to say that to this point? Because let's face it, we are more safe today, I know it sounds crazy because it's unbelievable what's going on in the world than we were 500 years ago, right? uh Jewish blood was cheap for for so long. Like you could murder a Jew on the streets and and and nothing was done about it. It was encouraged. It was applauded. And today we we're more civilized. There there is more laws that do protect human rights, not just for Jews, but for all kinds of nationalities and races across the world. It's not what So to what point are we going to take this like Americana's version was let's take over the entire Israel. Let's kick out all the Jews. That almost sounds like wo I don't know about that. I I mean what I was taught is that you know when Msiah comes one day is when's that time? How are we going to know? That's another question in itself. But this just does it just doesn't sit well with me to go to this type of level. I'm almost scared off by it. Like I I don't know if I want to be a part of this, right? >> I don't know if I agree, but I can't blame you for what you're doing. I totally understand it. I see the desire for you to say enough is enough. Let's get our act together. Let's make a Jewish country. There's 22 other Arab countries. Why shouldn't we have our own? It sounds appealing. It sounds great, but I just don't feel so right about it. >> Okay. So, uh, so here's the answer. In terms of the fine line, the difference is outside of Israel versus inside Israel. Outside of Israel, we're not looking to conquer. We're not looking to rule. We're looking to live quietly. And they should know it's not worth it to mess with the Jewish people. Okay? We need to defend ourselves at all every legal method possible. We've discussed that in Israel. It's a different situation. In Israel, we have an Israeli government. We have an Israeli army. And look what happens when you sit back quietly. You have what's called October 7th. Where did those Arabs come from? They came from within Israel. These were ones who worked in the Jewish kibbutim. They were the ones who drew diagrams of where the people live and where the security officer is. And they gave this information to kamas driving through the the towns of Judea and Samaria and you're passing all these v villages calculia Janine Ramala. Why do we have to put up with all these dangerous situations? So there the answer is to be strong and to be strong and to let them know that it also it doesn't pay to to to mess with us. But in Israel, yes, there it is about conquering. There it is about taking over. And you want to know something? This has nothing to do with Rabbi Americana. The Torah talks about when the seven nations were there, Yoshua, Joshua was told to drive them out and if they wouldn't leave to kill everyone lo to kill every single one, men, women, and children. You know who says this? God. Now, I'm not saying that that's what we need to do today. We because we don't have the same situation. However, we need to have a strong, proud Jewish state where we could where we could walk down the streets, not be afraid of buses blowing up and not be afraid of driveby shootings. You know, it it's a sad situation. It's a sad reality when we have always have to look over our shoulder. And look, we know that around us there are there's danger Iran and Syria and Egypt and all these countries. Do we also have to be afraid inside the country? Rabbi Khan was talking about this and his message was resonating with Israelis, specifically as I mentioned, sphartic Jews who lived with the Arabs and knew there's no way to talk to these guys. You got to sit over a coffee and cake and discuss it with them. This is what he discussed. I agree with you. It's not for everybody. It's not a message that resonates with everybody. And therefore, that's the beauty of democracy. Vote for who you want. vote for who you identify with. But to me, this is what propels me. And this is why when I came to Israel and I saw Yitzkab and Shimon Perez giving away the land and I knew that this would give rise to terror. So I started the group Zoratenu and uh which means this is our land and we fought against the Oslo Accords and we were arrested I was arrested 15 times in civil nonviolent civil disobedience and then I was charged with sedition and 11 counts of incitement a year and a half trial and I was found guilty of sedition. Ladies and gentlemen, you're looking at a convicted felon and I'm proud of it. It wasn't a felony, God forbid, of of hurting children or uh drugs or robbing banks. Wouldn't do that in a million years. It was fighting for the Jewish nation. Had we been listened to back in 1995 when we were screaming these things, we wouldn't have had an October 7th. Yet, I was sentenced to I was facing 20 years in prison and I was sentenced to one year in prison. And in the end, it was switched to community service. I worked in a hospital for a year. My friend Mosha Fagler worked in a nursing home in Ranana and uh back to life. But I'm still an activist and still believe that what Israel needs is strength and Israel needs you want to know something when Israel is weak that's when you have anti-semitism around the world. This everything is rooted in the state of Israel. When Israel gives it a a a feeling of of Jewish strength throughout the world, Jews are proud. A friend of mine told me that after the six- day war, 1967, all of a sudden, you know, again, what an unbelievable miracle. Six days, we liberated all these lands, a fellow comes out wearing a Jewish star. And the guy said, "You're Jewish?" He said, "Did you see what my boys did to them?" "My boys, we never even we were friends of yours for 20 years. Didn't even know you were Jewish." It brought out great national pride. So when Jews are strong, this is what we need. Am I looking to be the next Jewish Genghaskhan? God forbid. I'm simply talking about protecting the biblical homeland of the Jewish people and making sure the Arabs know they will never again raise their head to touch a Jewish home, property, shul, or individual. >> Totally understand. Now, Michael, I'm sorry. I want to not push back but I'm getting educated here and I want to expand on this a little bit more and sort of phrase my question in a little bit of a different way. >> Okay. >> Okay. And I'm coming now purely from a religious standpoint and I am not in any means talking on behalf of religious people because I am the last person to represent as yeah just I'm talking as you know uh what others would potentially say and think you know and you know at the end of the day there are certain religious foundations you know and baselines that we all believe in. >> Correct. In our history, I imagine there has been times where the Jewish nation uh had a country in Jerusalem where, you know, things were going very favorably for us and it looked like we were on top of the world, right? It looked like everything was set and and this was going to last forever until it didn't until God decided that this is not working. I'm not happy. and destruction and chaos and we were we were exiled and cities were burned and and and thousands of people were were killed. >> Millions >> millions of people were killed, right? It happened, [clears throat] right? So there were times in our history that we had it together and we had an army and uh you know we had a nationality and uh we were recognized across the globe and the Jewish people were pretty much like this this was it. This is this is the way God intended for it all to play out and then it all fell apart. It all fell apart because that was God's will at some point which means that there's this is all hinging let me just finish. This is really all hinging on on on like God's on God's will at the end of the day. >> Completely incorrect because God didn't wake up one morning and decide to throw us out. We brought that upon ourselves. The reason for the first beta mikdash destruction, the first temple was because we, the Jewish nation, were involved in the three cardinal sins of adultery and idol worship and murder. And then when we rectified those sins and we had the second temple, we it was destroyed because of baseless hatred. It wasn't that God woke up one day and said, "You know what? Enough of this good life. I'm throwing you out and you're going to move to Syria, Morocco, and Germany and Poland." We brought it upon ourselves. And this is something we have to know. We have our fate in our hands. God has told us what to do. And when we don't listen, it's a punishment because of our sins. We were exiled from the land. We brought it upon ourselves. >> So you think that there's a time that is in our future that the cards hold for us that we in your version in your world where it's only Jewish people living in the state of Israel? Correct. And uh we're running the show there and you know are we going to be uh you know democratic to the point that you know we welcome the world to come there you know and you know is it only Jews or or let me ask you a question and other people live there as well. >> You davin right you davin >> yes >> one of the in the is David what are you ding for you're ding for the restoration of the Davidic dynasty. >> Yeah >> you are ding for a king. >> Yeah correct. >> Is it is a king democracy? No. Okay. So, do you do you want a king? Do you want a Jewish king? >> Listen, it's my understanding on my whole upbringing is that there's going to come a time and we'll know when that time is that that's going to all unfold. That's the dream. >> And we're not supposed to bring ourselves. >> No, no, there's there's your mistake with all due respect. We are supposed to bring it ourselves. That's the gula. That's the beginning of the redemption in 1948. This concept of um we want Msiah. Now what do you mean we want Mashiach? That song has to be changed to we'll bring Msiah now. We are not a people that just sits and wants something. You don't feel good. Oh please Hashem send us health. Go to the doctor now. Go to the doctor and davin. That's what Jews do. I need parnasa. Get a job. I'm looking for a wife. Go on a date. Do you understand? This is the type of thing that Jews need to do. Action plus file equals success. Individual level, national level, no difference. And you don't think this is calling attention to ourselves in a very negative way. You don't think that if we again this mentality that you're speaking of of Masonic times are really just, you know, taking over and forming that that Jewish nation uh is just the rest of the world is just going to sit there and and take it and accept it. No, not at all. Not at all. But do they love us now? We're doing everything the world wants us to do and anti-semitism is at a post World War II high. Let me tell you something, Yoshi. When you do what the world wants, they will hate you anyway. And no matter what we do, when there's a tsunami or there's an earthquake, who's the first phone call they make to Israel? Because Israel has to send a field hospital, whether it's to Haiti or it's to Phuket or Indonesia, all these places around the world where Israel uh helps these uh survivors of these of these natural disasters. So, they know who to call. They will rank us out in the UN every day. They will vote against us night and day. But the bottom line is let's stop worrying about the world and do what's good for Israel and am Israel needs er Israel following toat Israel. That's the dream. So interesting. You know again this makes sense to me and I I'm on your team all the way. I mean if there's a way to really is there's a path to this that could be sustainable and that you know great. I just wonder where are all these big rabbis that we have in the history for the last 2,000 years. Nobody came up with this thought. Nobody said it's time to take a stand, guys. It's time to stop taking this on the chin enough. How many beatings could we take? We we got to get our act. And they had money for many years. Jews were never in a position where they were all poor. They always at some point in time. They were able to get that funds together, you know, start why has nobody done anything until now. So, I'm telling you, I have I I write a lot. I write different articles. I'm working on a book. And I I spoke to a woman who lives in Queens and I said to her, "Do me do me a favor. uh go to different shors and shabas and listen to the rabbis speak and tell me when they speak about the state of Israel when they speak about the nation she came back to me about 2 months later she says I feel like it's tishabove she says I've done did exactly what you said I went to all the different schuls and everyone's talking about and again not to underestimate the importance of not talking lashinhara and doing these are very important things mitzvot are 100% % I don't want to be taken the wrong way. We must learn Torah and learn and and which I do and uh and not talk lash and make our braot 100%. But what about the nation? How come nobody's talking about the national side of of of our religion? Everyone's talking about just the individual and the communal level. This is galut, man. This is exile. And that's why when Rabbi Kana came and talked and that's why when when when I moved to Israel and I met these Rabanim in Israel who talk about Harabayat the temple mount and who talk about redemption and talk about settling the land on a national side. It lit my fire and this is what I'm I'm I'm imploring all your listeners come to Israel not just to move there but I tell people get mad. Mad stands for make a difference. come to Israel, build a land, grow it, uh, plant trees, defend the land, join the army, fight the Jewish enemy, drive him out of the land, make a difference that they know. I told my I told my kids already after 120, I tell you what, what I want you to write on my tombstone, Elish, he tried to make a difference. That's all I want. I want to make a difference. I want to bring the gula one day closer. And if I succeed in doing that, I'll be happy. >> What is the gula hinging on? Is God waiting for us to take action? Yes. And then, all right, you guys made the first point. Let me finish it off for you. >> Yes, I believe that. I don't think God is >> that's how we bring the gula. >> Yes. I don't think God is just sitting there and, you know, waiting for some date to come. In its time, I will hasten it. Which is an oxymoron. How could it? If something comes in its time, then Hashem didn't make it fast. If if he made it fast, didn't come in its time. well-known midrash which means if we merit it if we do what needs to be done Hashem will hasten the gula it says in all this faradoshim especially kh written by the vagon that hashem cries every day that there's no gula you think hashem wants to see us killed in Sydney Australia you think hashem wants to see what happened on on 7th of October it hurts hashem more than it hurts us and therefore We need to tell Hashem enough is enough. We are going to do what needs to be done to bring the gula to build the land to defend the land to bring the Jews from Arab to Aritz the four corners of the globe. You know everybody ds for Mashiah. But there's two Mashiahs. Which Mashiah are we doubting for? Mashia Ben Yseph or Mashiah Ben David? The answer believe it or not is what's the difference? Ah mashiach ben Yseph. This is according to the vagome. Let me tell you his job in this in the safer koh. This is what he writes. The Mashiah Ben Yoseph is going to do kibbut scalyod in gathering of the exiles. He's going to build the land of Israel. He's going to settle and he's going to build a beta mikdash all done. When that's done in walks Mashiach Benavid he sits on a throne with a scepter and he says, "Okay, I'm in charge. Joe, you can go from here." Mashiach Benose is the one who's going to do, for lack of a better term, the dirty work. And that's us. I can tell you I think I know who Mashiah Bosef is these days. It's not a person. It's Medina Israel. It's the state of Israel. Because if you think about it, who's doing the kibbut scalyod? Who's bringing the Jews home? Who's fighting the battles? Who's uh building the land? Who's trying to settle? The state of Israel. With all the problems, believe me, as many problems as you think there are in the state of Israel, I could add another 150. So, excuse me. There are many, many problems. But we are fighting for Jewish rights and this is nothing less than the final redemption. >> See, I'm starting to get it now. I'm starting to get to you the distinction of where you're going and where a lot of the mainstream people are at. It's not about self-defense at all. >> It's not self-defense. It's not I don't want to be at risk or at fear of getting killed and not being able to live in peace. I want to take over. I want to fast forward the redemption and I want to create this nationality and this kingdom of the Jewish people in Israel and that's a very far leap that's already goes beyond just of what we started out with. What I was hearing is the JDL and movements like this is pick up your arms and shoot back and if you're not shoot first protect yourself. This is already going >> that's an as I mentioned the distinction is outside of Israel versus inside Israel. But you know what bothers me? How many schos in New York? Everybody say, "Oh, nurarta sat." Let me tell you something. How many schos orthodox sh talking about only from Schuls. How many from Schuls in the New York area say the blessing for the state of Israel on Shabas? I'll bet you can go all around my maybe two. Why? What do you Why can't they bless the state of Israel? It says in in that right it talks about it talks about the beginning of the redemption. What what scares them? What scares them? We're talking about nothing less than the redemption for Hashem's glory. Not about me. Who cares about I'm talking about a kadesh. This is this is why after every desecration of God's name, there's a great keshashem. The biggest desecration was the holocaust. Right after that came the state of Israel because of Hashem's name. We had to continue. Take a look at Raf Salvichek. Zatal writes about that he used to cry during the Holocaust. Um clergy, non-Jewish clergy would come to the great Raf Salvich and said, "You're the chosen people. Where's your God? How is your God allowing this to happen? He said, I I I would cry over the suffering of of my Jewish brothers, but I would cry more. He writes, over the suffering of Hashem, this is what the non-Jewish world was saying. He says, and in somewhat my my happiness, now he uses a different word, I forget, my comfort was restored when the state of Israel came up. So, this is what we have to do to fight for Hashem's battles. And you're right, Oshi, you don't hear that here. And that's the problem. We need to we need to especially to the youth tell them the future is init because it's it's this or that. That's a place to eat schwarma which I recommend by the way especially with extraina. In any case that's the place to build the Jewish land bring home the Jews and yes welcome Msiah. >> You know we're very divided on this. It's a problem. You have a >> Is there something we're not divided on? >> Oh but this is >> two Jews can't pick the same etrogue. Can't can't agree on the same rogue. Right. Right. I agree. >> We have like, you know, I want to say half of the, you know, Jewish [clears throat] people that not only aren't on, you know, this bandwagon, they vehemently disagree. They think that what, you know, the Jews in Israel that are so pro-Israel are doing is actually one of the reasons why we're progressing a lot of the hate that's out there and we're sort of self-inflicting a lot of this on ourselves uh by taking these very extreme stances. Um, and that's kind of their version of it. Now, I think there's a majority of Jews. I think we could all agree on is that Israel is there. It is a state. We have over 2 million Jews living there right now. >> 7 million >> 7 million Jews. I'm sorry. 2 million from 7 million Jews. Wow. Yep. >> Um what is that like 50 60% of the Jews in the world? >> Uh it's over 50% of the Jewish population of the world. >> Amazing. So yeah, it's so we have to protect it at all costs. We're there. It is what it is. Whether you agree how it formed, whether you don't agree how it for we are there and and and it's precious and it's Jewish blood and we got to make the best light for them over there and do whatever it takes. Even an army I agree with that we we need to defend ourselves for sure. But how far do we want to take this like you it sounds like global domination almost is really the end goal here. You want to build an Are you building the base of Mikdash next? So that's true in your perfect world. I would love to. >> Okay. So So we're doing >> why not? Tell me why not. We're supposed to be doing that? >> I believe so. I believe so. But we're not there yet. We first have to bring in the Jews and we have to first settle the land. But I I believe yes on the bucket list before it goes in 120. I want the bet mish built. I don't believe for one second that it's going to come down from shine. There is a y a single opinion that it's going to come like >> how did mikdash get built? Who made that decision? How did that >> Ezra Ezra and Hea came from the you know again we were >> they prophets >> they were prophets yes they were prophets and that's is what we lack today there's no question about it however uh and this is why the Greeks uh thought that they could destroy us in the second temple because we didn't have prophets but they didn't know we had something in many ways greater than the prophets raanim great rabbis who uh again the whole Torah Shabbal was written during the second temple period. Of course, you have uh Shaya and Afalion and and and B Shama and Basil and Rabaka all that was just after that. But nevertheless, all the great rabbis were in the time of the second temple because we didn't have the prophets. This is not a religion where we need prophets. We know what has to be done. Does that mean that we should build a beta mikdash tomorrow? No. But it should definitely be on our radar. It should be a dream of ours and it should be something we move towards each and every day. I'm not looking for global dominion. I'm not looking to I don't want to be the next Alexander the Great. I'm not interested in taking over the world. I'm interested in a country the size of New Jersey. Zel. That's it. >> So now let's let's in a perfect world. Let's play it out. So we are safe as you know makes sense to be in Israel. Uh we're controlling it. It's pretty much Jews living there or other non-Jews but very peacefully. they're not, you know, they're not being uh antagonistic and, you know, they're they're not looking to to do anything harmful to everybody else and it's all going well for the most part. What happens next? So, we just start living and uh you know, enjoying the materialistic things that we have. What happens next? Am I supposed to now go and pick myself up and go and move to Israel or or Yeah. >> Yes. >> So, Jews from all over the world now, >> guys. We got it together. Israel is ours. Uh it's well fortified. We're protected. No one can attack us. >> Let's go. Everybody uh ring the bell. Everybody come show up. And and Olivia and And then what? Now what? >> And then we establish this Sanhedrin and uh they can appoint the Melik. Okay. Yeah. We have we have Jewish law. We institute all the things that we had, you know, 2,000 years ago when we had a B mikdash. We literally take it back to to the ancient times and follow all of our traditions and and go through and and all of that. >> Oh man, you're you're you're telling me you're telling us the dream. This is the this is the Jewish dream. What do you think the Jewish dream is? A a week a weekend in some glad kosher hotel in Puerto Rico. This is the Jewish dream. The Sanhedrin, the Melik and and and and the betach and the coat. Yes, it's the dream. Is it going to happen tomorrow? I don't think so. But this is something that we need to work towards each and every day. And you want to know something? You know what's my job? My job is to make sure you have that dream, too. >> Because with all due respect, you don't have it right now. And I don't blame you. I am blame all the teachers that all the years had you in front of them and talk nonsense to you and didn't focus your head on the Jewish nation. We'll open your head up. We'll we'll we'll put in some good things about am Israel. >> Look, this is not just me. This is, you know, this is how our schools right now, correct? Are being driven. This is what they do. This is what they talk about. And I was told uh that one day someone's going to show up and make an announcement and it's time guys and you'll know when it is because you know who says that? The other guys, the Christians say that the guy's going to come JC and he's going to announce I'm here. That is not a Jewish concept. A guy's going to walk in and say, "Oh, by the way, you know who I am? I am Mashiach. That is not a Jewish concept. A Jewish concept is he is the melsiach. In order to be a melik, you have to be appointed by the Nvi. The Nvi can only be established by the Sanhedrin. The Sanhedrin has to come first. There's a process. A guy coming in and declaring who he is plays for the other team. Interesting. And you've devoted your life to this. >> That's right. This is your life's mission. Every waking day you wake up, this is what you think about. You ask yourself, what can I do today to further advance this cause of instituting the the Jewish redemption and the rebirth of all the Jewish people in the state of Israel? >> 100% correct. And that's why I pray for health for myself and for everybody else so that we could see this to fruition. We're building the land. We're building the hilltop communities all across Israel. >> Are the average Jewish citizen today sure your sentiments to this levels or are they just content with defending themselves? they're okay, you know, to uh live in harmony with others as well. And they're not looking for anything more than just leave me be. Let me live my life. Let me practice my religion here. Like, is that the average citizen of of >> the average citizen of Israel, right? Just wants to be and go on his trips and and that's fine. And that's absolutely fine because again, as we're recording this on Kaneka, Kaneka is about the the the the the majority, the massive were in the hands of the few. Leadership is a what do they say? A few good men. That's an American expression. All we need is a few good men. >> I'm prepared to be one of those leaders to lead the masses. The masses I understand. They want a good piece of cheesecake. So do I. And they want, you know, to make a nice parnasa and they want their kids married and they want to go on vacation. Fine. We'll lead them in that direction. And three times a year they'll also go to the bas mikdash, bring up some carbonos, carbon pes. No problem with that. Who says you can't have a good piece of cheesecake? >> Is the JDL still active today? >> No, unfortunately it's not. When Rabano was murdered, it did that that um movement ended, but I think you could use one in New York, especially with Mam Dani headed your way. But that's a discussion for another day. >> You know, if you look at what Satmer is doing to Mdani is like, you know, if you can't beat him, sort of join him. You know, they've taken that stance, right? >> And uh they've embraced him. >> Uh they've welcomed him into their community in a big way. And uh it's interesting to see that because in one side of this guy's mouth he's pretty much talking about you know globalizing the inifat and we all know what that means whether they want to define it in that way or not we know what deep down the root of it what it means >> and in another corner of his mouth he's talking about you know protecting the Jewish people in New York City he's very clear every time he talks about the Jewish people my priorities the Jewish people are in New York City right um because it's the diplomatic thing for him to do but it's so interesting because they're taking the opposite stance of the JDL and this is almost the traditional way which is let's try to uh you know not bow down but conform to the you know uh to to the current leadership the non-Jewish leadership and hope that they are going to give us a pass and that they're going to you know we're going to get along but we all know >> doesn't work history has taught us that also does not work it doesn't work the question remains though like is that supposed to be our model like is that like you know this is how it's always been and if you don't do something you're going to get the same result. So, you know, you're taking a whole another stance where you're going the opposite extreme, right? And I think a lot of us are somewhat living in the middle and we're trying to balance a little bit more to the left and to the right depending on the time, depending what we what we see in front of us. We're making judgment calls as we go, >> right? The problem is you're not hearing enough from my side. That's the problem. Yeah. >> So, that's what I'm looking to change. >> How many people like you are that out there? Like, what how many people are representing this viewpoint that are active in government and politics that are, you know, activists? What's that like? >> I don't know the number, but there are many uh in Israel that feel this way that are that are working towards the this >> anybody in government today that represents this this viewpoint. The most >> uh in government today there are a few. There's uh there's Ben and there's Motric and there's some others and of course my dear friend Mosha Fraglin that was in the Knesset that's looking to uh uh come back to the Knesset to a political way of life. But again, we're the minority right now. We can't look at numbers. This is not you know a game of numbers. We have to lead. We have to um um educate. The whole thing is about education. You know again has the word inside education. It's all about educating the Jewish nation to the right values. >> Let me put a bow on this now. I'm up to my final question here. >> Okay. I'm giving you the green light. I found you 10,000 people, 100,000 people in Israel who share your belief. They're ready to take up arms. They're ready to go to war. They're ready to roam the streets and cleanse, ethnically cleanse the state of Israel that it's only Jewish people. And uh you have the arsenal, you have the artillery, you have the technology, you have everything ready to go. Are you ready to go to war right now? Are you are you at the point that if you had the means, is it time to galvanize, get the cavalry going, are you greenlighting this? Absolutely not. We're not talking about doing anything illegal. And by the way, I I I I don't like the term ethnic cleansing. We are against ethnic cleansing. You should know something that uh the Arabs have lived in Israel for many, many years. And most of the Arabs, the Arabs under the age of 30. 70% of them want to leave Israel. They want they want to live in Europe. They want to live in Italy. They want to, you know, come to the United States. They want to come to Canada. Let them go. We're not talking about ethnic cleansing. We're not we're not the Jewish Nazis, God forbid. Uh we're talking about joining the Israeli army. We're talking about using the Israeli government. We're not talking about an armed struggle. Heaven forbid. We're not talking about a civil war. This is not something we're talking about. We're focused on the dream and we're prepared to accomplish and arrive at that dream through the legal means in the democratic process in the state of Israel. >> Okay. That's the long way. That's the long way. But that's the way of the world and that's the way that we're going. >> So, you believe that this is all going to be delivered through mankind and through the Jewish people? We're going to have to do it ourselves >> and we're going to have to do it the right way. It's going to take time like you said going through the legal system. We're not talking about guerilla tactics, right? We're not talking about uh ethnically cleansing like you said. Um we're talking about just you know uh a country that we can call our own, a country that we can call our home and that the uh uh the government is run by the Jewish people. So we can you know um make sure the laws are in favor of Jewish people and we can practice our religion not just openly but proudly. And we can elevate the entire country to be where it's Jewish pride. And if you come into this country, you're all welcome. But this is under the Jewish realm. And we can elevate the entire country to be where it's Jewish pride. And if you come into this country, we have our temple here. And we have our sacrileges that we do. And and and this and if you enjoy that culture and you appreciate it, you'll come welcome to be a to be a part of it. But if you're here, it's our rules under our roof. And that is the end goal for you. And that's what you're hoping to see one day. >> I couldn't have said it better myself. >> Well, thanks for joining everybody. [laughter] >> This is Listen, >> I have a couple of thoughts that I want to share if that's okay with you. [laughter] >> You going to fall asleep? >> No, not at all. By the way, you know, I've learned to have a lot of patience and uh and to be a listener and I'm enjoying every second of it. Good. >> I actually enjoyed this a lot. >> Good. >> Uh big fan of Israel, big fan of your work uh based on what I'm hearing. Love how you questioned everything. Uh, we're zeroing in on the education part, which I appreciate. It's not about the violence. No. Which brings me to my question. >> Mayor Kahana is here. He comes to you right now. What are you asking him? What do you do? What's the next step? And on that note, what's the call to action? What's the CTA? What are you asking from us as a nation? People living in Israel, people living in America, people living in France. What are you asking of us? What are what's the plan? >> So, the people living outside of Israel, I have two words. Come home. I understand you can't come home tomorrow. There are businesses, there are homes and there are families and so on. I am a realist. But I say come home and come home for the real reason. And let me tell you something that I heard from a different Rabbi Kahana. This is Rabbi Americana's brother, Rabbi Nakman Kahana, who's still alive and well. Moved to Israel from Brooklyn over 60 years ago. If you're familiar, there's a set of called the Mayot. It's a perish toot written by Rabb Nakman Kahana. And he said, he says, you know, there's a big discussion whether or not moving to Israel is one of the 613. He says, "Let me tell you how I answer that question. Imagine a young couple, young, niceish couple gets married, you know, and uh beautiful, you know, they had a vort and they had a wedding and now they're home for the first time on the night of the wedding." And before anything happens, we'll say Rifkulla turns to Misha and she says, "Ma, do me a favor. Tell me before anything happens tonight. Why did you marry me? Why did you marry me? It's just the two of us. And he says, "Ah, Rifka, you know why I married you? Because now I could do so many more mitzvot. Ah, we could have, you know, purvu and will have a baby and it'll be a boy. Let's say it'll be a bris and a pinion and we got and so many mitzvah. We won't have arguments. buy it now because I'm married to you, I could perform many more mitzvah in the Torah says if he answers that way, he's sleeping on the couch the first night. The first night he's sleeping on the couch. So, how should he have answered? He should have answered, "You know why I married you? Cuz I was a broken soul. I was an incomplete person. You complete me. Together, we're one nishama. My life is nothing without you. I need you to to have a full nishama. He says if that's his answer, he'll have a very nice evening and a very beautiful life. He says same thing with moving to Israel. Don't move to Israel because there's a lot of mitzvah you can keep in Israel. There are trumus and mas and all these different things you can only keep in Israel. Sorry guys from Lakewood can't keep it there. But that's not why you should come to Israel. You should come to Israel because you're a broken person. You're a Jew who's broken. A Jew belongs with his nation in am. And that's why you need to come. Not because of M Dani and not because of years ago Obama and not because of any other reason. Only because we're broken here. We need to come and rejoin join ourselves with the rest of the Jews in Israel, the religious and the secular and so on and even the sadmer in Israel. All of us together to form the Jewish nation. So that's message number one. to bring home the Jews as much as possible. The Jews >> don't run away from something. Run towards >> run that I always say beautiful. It's funny because I say those exact words. Uh don't run away, run towards run towards the land of Israel. As far as the Jews in Israel also stop running and start building, start defending and start being being proud. And again, let's get our guys with our points of view into the government so that we have enough say in the government to move things in this direction. The whole Gaza war, what can I say? We lost so many. We're charging into buildings. Who charges into buildings? Who sends boys into burning buildings? Maybe there was a little Arab there and have to worry and be careful. We don't want to hurt any innocent people, but my number one job is to bring that home, bring that soldier home to his wife and children or his or his parents. And that's my number one job. And we have to understand this is what we need to do. So the ones outside of Israel to come home, the ones inside of Israel, build, defend, and be strong in your Jewish values. You know, I I met someone in Florida recently who told me that him he was in the army in Israel. And he said him and a few friends left Israel. I never actually heard that before in terms of someone leaving Israel and wanting to leave because he said, "I was afraid. I was afraid living in Israel. I was afraid for my kids to go to the bus. I was afraid for them to cross the street. And I was afraid for us to be living in a country where there's actual terrorism happening almost on a weekly basis." How do you respond to that? I feel for what he's saying and I feel that we should we should cry when we hear a Jew saying that to to not be safe in Poland. That's one thing to not be safe even on the streets of New York. Like I said, what could you do? You do the best you can. To not be safe in the streets of Shallay, excuse me. But he's right. Unfortunately, he's right. And that's what needs to be changed. And that's what we're hoping when we talk about Jewish strength. Again, not ethnic cleansing, but we're talking about the fact that the army and the police won't allow this to happen. The bad guys need to know that if they raise their head, they will be dealt a serious blow. >> You have an organization. You do a raffle for it every year. >> I uh that's also one of the uh commercials you were doing with uh Inspiration for the Nation, and you were doing something. Let's let's uh get away from this uh topic for just one minute and talk about that side of things because we're gonna have to come to a close in very soon. But before I do, I just want to hear about your day-to-day. You have an organization. You do an amazing raffle for eight years, I believe. Yes. This is your eighth year, correct? Where you're giving away an apartment in Israel. >> That's right. >> Super cool. So, um, as every Jewish organization, uh, you know, many years ago, I met somebody from, uh, from, uh, California, and he gave me his card at the Jewish organization he wrote that he ran and it said, "We are very nonprofit organization. [laughter] Organizations need to raise money." The traditional way is usually you sit with some wealthy guy and you convince him to give a couple of shekels or whatever it is. I don't like that way. I like to go to am is grassroots grassroots and I said how you going to go to grassroots? So I came up with a crazy idea, excuse me, eight years ago to offer an apartment in as a raffle. >> Excuse me. It's called the dream raffle >> because it's a dream to own an apartment in a raffle and at the time it was worth a million dollars. Today it's $1.2 million. We have given away well we've had already seven raffles. you could either win the apartment or a cash alternative. And five times for various reasons, the people took the cash and twice they take uh they took the apartment. And this year it's a beautiful apartment, brand new, never lived in before, fully furnished in the heart of all you have to do is go, [cough] excuse me, to the dreamraffle.com. All the information is there. We're offering now a special one plus one. Buy one ticket, get actually two, double yours there, and uh you can win a gorgeous apartment. Cost a raffle. >> Raffle is $200. >> It's not cheap. >> Not cheap. >> Okay. >> But the prize is $1.2 million. >> So yes, that's >> How many people participate in this? >> Last year we had we sold 12 We had 12,000 sales. Now that were more than that were tickets cuz there were some that were, you know, buy one get one free and others bought more. But 12,000 uh people bought tickets. >> I'm curious about this side of you cuz you sales marketing. We didn't we didn't really get to it and but we spoke about it for a minute that you uh you worked uh it says here you worked you walked away from Wall Street for ideology which immedately disqualifies you for most TED talks. >> Um you know but you do have definitely uh you know a lot uh to you. There's a lot of sides to you. There's the Israel side and then there's the sales marketing business development brand side. For those who are listening, uh there are a lot of organizations that are doing this watch auction thing, which is like a it's a really cool way to raise money. You give away $100,000 watch and you sell uh 300 tickets and you spin a wheel and you're either paying $300 or you're paying a dollar. >> Okay. >> I like ideas where organizations are raising money without having to go and thinking and I I serve on a board of quite a few organizations where we're always having discussions, you know, what to do and how to do it. How did you come up with this idea? And what would you suggest for organizations that they're thinking of how do we raise money in a smart way? I'm I'm assuming you're not going to say give away an apartment in Israel, but >> Right. Well, well, it's funny because the other day I was interviewed actually by Zev Brener. Uh, and he said, "Are you considering uh coming and having dinners in America?" And I said to him, "God forbid, I think the last thing you guys need is to go to another fundraising dinner. That's not my style." Uh, it's not easy. Raising funds is not a simple thing to do. People are trying to be creative. The Chinese auction and all these things that people do, whatever works. But what worked for me is again I wanted to when you say grassroots last year, more importantly than how many tickets we sold, people in 87 countries bought tickets. Literally 87 countries bought tickets. >> How are you marketing to them? >> So it's completely internet-based. Like if you wanted to buy ticket, I don't have like a raffle book, you know, I could rip off and give you. It's what? No, it's 100% internet-based and internet is worldwide. So where Facebook um the other day I was >> Who helps you do this? >> I have [clears throat] bottomline marketing group, my buddy Yitska, shout out to Yitsk and Elao and his wonderful team, Mali uh and Toby. Well, great guys. And they're they're marketing. We're also doing marketing in Israel. We're doing marketing in England. social media. Somebody says, "I see your face all over the internet." I said, "Do you know how much it costs me so that you see this face on the internet? It's not cheap." Uh, but we'll I just did, we just came out with a movie in Israel. Um, there's something called Bardak, which is a very funny. It's a 4-minute clip, believe it or not, for the audience. And >> I've seen it. It's hilarious. >> Well, I just came out with one last week with with me in it dressed as a kid. >> Yeah. You got to send us that clip. We're going to put it on the clip right here. >> Take a look at the new Bardock movie. And uh it's it's funny, but we're we're trying to reach every single audience we can selling tickets. The dreamaffle.com and it it supports I'll just run through three quick things. We're the biggest donor to the Israel Dog Unit. You know that there are over 400 people that go missing each year in Israel. A tiny country, Israel, people go missing. Most of them unfortunately older the elderly with dementia they walk out of the house at two o'clock in the morning go find uh you know grandpa by by the time you wake up six o'clock in the morning he's gone and he left maybe no shoes no money no water go find him so these guys have highly trained dogs and uh drones and thermal imaging we bought all their equipment and we're helping them just last week good news and bad news they found two people one a 15year-old boy who was missing for three days they found him alive. Another one actually on Shabbat they found who unfortunately was a corpse was not alive but even so they found them the family now could bury Sativa and so on. So that's the Israel dog unit with their biggest donor. The second thing is we're helping IDF widows and orphans [clears throat] mentioned this and we're having an unbelievable event on Monday last day of Kaneka for uh widows and orphans of this last war and we're doing everything for them. That's another thing that we help. We've we've uh donated four Torres to IDF bases. We're building up uh uh the country across across Israel, various uh yeshivot and various business. We're helping we're helping farmers. We've planted 700,000 fruit trees in Israel because again that grabs the land. It settles the land. It builds the land. Part of the dream that we were talking about. All these funds come from our one and only fundraiser of the year. the remember the word 'the'.the the thedreamraffle.com. >> You're good. You're very good. First of all, congratulations on what you've built. I It's amazing. It's a very big feat to have uh such a large budget raffle and and that is funding everything you're doing. So, congratulations to you. I really mean it. It's uh it's really amazing and I hope people can learn from it to do things like this in terms of being creative. And um if I uh go to Israel soon and meet you, where is the first place you're taking me? >> Have you ever been a Harabat the Temple Mount? >> The actual Harabot. >> Yeah. >> You know, I'm going to say something that Ushi says a lot. I was told not to go. [laughter] >> Correct. There are many rabbis. However, there are 1,000 rabbis with beards a lot longer than mine who say that you're allowed to go. I won't force you. But you know what? Until your next trip, look into it. I don't force anybody. If you're intrigued and want to go to Harabay, I will take you up to Harabayat and you will you'll dive in Mina not at the not at some wall but you'll d on the other side on the temple mounted. You know when you dive in on you don't say a when the is repeating he says you answer. So where does that come from? When you're right, this comes from our this is the [clears throat] coming to life. If you're not prepared to go to Harabay, which is fine, I'll take you to some of these farms where you'll meet Jews who work with their hands, who don't know what the internet is, who don't know what Bluetooth is, who have no idea whats, but when you shake their hands, you'll get a couple of thorns into your hands. You'll meet these Jewish farmers who I think are the salt of the earth. I actually went on a trip to Israel and one of the things we did was we visited these farms and we met some of these farmers and I was immediately drawn to just how passionate they were about what they were doing. They didn't look at it as work. They didn't they looked at it as they were they were nurturing the ground and the spirit of it and the holiness of it. And I was just uh I was mesmerized by really how attached they were to it. It was so palpable like you can literally see it on their faces the joy that emanated from them uh just by talking about it and it was fascinating to see that connection between nature and human and they're redeeming the land. They're redeeming the land. They're keeping the land in Jewish hands. >> This is what we were talking about something that the Jewish nation has not been able to do for 2,000 years >> because we appreciate it's one of the things also like you were say the Arabs had you know Israel and whatever you want to call it prior to Israel. I don't know how long. For at least a thousand years, maybe less. >> From the year 500. Yeah. >> What did they do with it? It was a barren desecrate land when the Jews found it. They It was like they didn't really care about it. And you know what it is? Like it's that famous story when you know the the queen, you know, have two husband and wife, you know, and it's like they're arguing over a child. And then the queen, all right, here's how I'm going to make a decision is uh we're going to take this child and it's, you know, we're going to live by me for a and the mother's like, "No, no, no." And the father, "Okay, I'll take that. Live by you for two days as long as I can." And she's like, "The mother should have it because you are clearly more attached to this child. You weren't willing to give it up. The Jewish people are attached to it because look how we took this and we blossomed into this amazing country." Meanwhile, the Arabs, they did nothing with it. In 2005, the Jews were expelled from Gushkif. They were they were I think there were 21 Jewish communities there. They were uh the whole bug-free industry came from there. All the, you know, the lettuce and broccoli and cauliflower that were bug free came from there. It was also Israel's largest uh fl exporting export of flowers. They built up the land and I'm not going to go into the whole thing. That [clears throat] was called the Gaza disengagement plan. 2005 everybody was what did the Arabs do with that land since 2005? Move their rockets in to shoot at stro and to shoot at at Jewish communities. So who loves the land and who just wants to and this is what we're talking about. But this is why we need to take control and bring the dream of Jewish redemption closer. >> Amen. That's right. There it is. There it is. You got it. You're ready. >> Before we wrap up, do you have any questions for us? >> Here's my one question for you. Uh when you come to Israel and you're going to have your podcast in Israel, are you going to sit in the same chairs or you going to switch? >> So, I go to Israel a lot and uh I I I usually get a guest co-host to do podcast. Maybe you'll be a guest host with me and we can >> My pleasure. Seriously, give me a call. I'm not saying this. I'm telling you. >> I'm going to take you up on your >> I will take you around Israel and you will see things >> that you've never seen before. >> Yeah. You know what's amazing? I I have to tell you, I I go to Israel a few times a year. Every time that happens to me, it's what I love about the country. Yeah. >> Every time I go, no matter how small it is and the size of New Jersey, like you mentioned before, >> I always find new, unique, interesting, uplifting, fascinating things. And >> what a country. >> It's a beautiful country. people and and and I have to tell you by the way we're not one of the two sh that bless the Medina of the country but we are one of the many shs that bless the army and we do it and there's a tremendous distinction I just don't want to forget to talk about it for 10 seconds the issue with blessing the medina is you're blessing the government which you know like that's what it feels like and I've heard that a lot many times like you know it's one thing to bless the soldiers and make sure they're protected and give our prayers to them but the government itself In America, we're like, we'll we'll focus on the soldiers and the people rather than the governance of what's happening there. That's >> weak. [laughter] >> Very weak. >> All right. I accept it. >> I can only tell you one thing in conclusion is that when the government is not doing well, that's when they need your blessing. >> Of course. Okay. Okay. I get it. I get it. I appreciate that. Uh finally, before we let you go, we also have a question. Uh who do you think would fit well in that seat? And maybe that's someone that we would invite here to uh to participate on this podcast. I don't know if he'll come out here, but if you can bring her Mosha Weimberger, who's a Revan A Codes in Schulen, Woodmir, Long Island? >> What What a amazing suggestion. >> Do you have his number? >> I have his number. >> Can you call him for us? >> I will call him for you and I will tell him to come here because he will talk about the things much better than I can, by the way. No comparison. >> And I think you did a great job. >> But that's on my level. He's 100 levels above. Well, is Kodesh is a is a special place in many people's uh >> Right. You bring Weinberger here and uh you'll know what I'm talking about. >> All right. Listen, if you can get him here, I will accept him with open arms. Uh he's someone who's making a keshm every single day, sanctifying God's name and the work that he does. Excellent reputation, community builder, and uh amazing human being and and community there. So, uh would love to see that happen. I'm not going to have you call him right now because uh you know that's not respectful to his time. Forget about ours. But uh I hope you can make it happen. Uh thank you for joining us. Really appreciate it. Did not see that this was conversation was going to be you know uh heading this way. I enjoyed it to be honest with you. I think it was a learning experience. I think also my take away from this is talk about it more. >> But I think the message is >> focus on the national side of our religion. Sure. >> Not just the individual the communal. focus on the national side >> and I would say go there more spend more time there and appreciate the values that >> connect to the nation connect. >> Absolutely. I I appreciate that message a lot. It resonates well with me and uh again thank you to our subscribers, our listeners, our followers. Thank you to the Prime Source production team. We appreciate you following us and growing with us. That's a wrap. That's a wrap. Wow. Thank you.