I Built Success Out of Chaos

What would a child want their parents to do differently? I think is just appreciation and respect from their parents. Like, wow, you did this. Wow, you really did a good job. Even if you're lying to your kid straight to his face. [Music] None of your business, Oshi. None of your business, Michael. It's the None of your business podcast hosted by Michael and Oshi. This episode is sponsored by Adelo. Adelo is an ordering platform. And if you're a facility, you have a plethora of vendors that you're buying products from. Instead of placing orders from each of the vendors directly, imagine a portal where you centralize all of your vendors. And now you have the ability to streamline all of your purchasing through one portal. You log in, you place orders, everything brings it back into your platform where you now have access to all of your data. You can set up budgets in real time. And most importantly, you can set up rules and regulations about who orders what and what they're able to order. The limitations and the controls that you have will allow you to control your spend. Reach out to a Prime Source expense advisor who will connect you with an Adelo rep. And now back to the episode. Welcome back everybody to another amazing growthoriented none of your business podcast. I'm your host, Michael Greenfield, joined with Ushi Schwarz. And today we have with us the caterer of all caterers. I mean, look at this meatboard you brought in, Oshi. I mean, you finished half of it already. Whoever raised him obviously raised him, right? Never show up empty-handed. Always come with a platter of food, especially someone like you in the food business. It'd be very strange if you didn't bring something like this. That's true. I agree. So, Yity Rosenwaser, welcome to our program. Thank you for joining us and uh we really appreciate you being here. Just a quick reminder, a thank you to the Prime Source production team for uh standing behind us and uh doing all their wonderful work. Yitsy, tell us a little bit about yourself, a little bit about your background. The only thing I know is that you're an amazing caterer. You threw us a wild event this week. Yeah. I mean, it was pretty fun, right? You had a good time. Yeah, I had a great time. I want you to know about the event when I heard that we were hiring somebody very young who hasn't done this many times. And yeah, I heard I've done it many times. Yeah, I've done okay. Okay. But not for like years and years. But I heard great things. He makes good food. He's good. He's building up his reputation. But still, this was a big event. It was a big deal. He wanted to have the right person. I was a little skeptical, Michael. I was a little like nervous like what the heck is going on over here. What are we doing? But then when he delivered and when he actually executed, I mean, the outcome was phenomenal. It was amazing. And this is not meant to be a plug for you. I'm not advertising you in any which way. I'm just saying my my personal experience. The way you set it up, the way you put it together. You had people working for you. You had to be shleing things back and forth. I'm sure you had to think this through. It didn't just happen. You prepared for it. It was stellar. Exceeded expectations. Well, let's talk about that. So, Yity, first of all, how old are you? So, I'm 18. Okay. 18 years old. So, we have permission to release this podcast without anybody's consent. Okay, great. Because we had that challenge once before. I say I'm only 18 for a short amount of time, you know. Okay. All right. That's, you know, we're only every age for a certain amount of time. Um, but what's the name of your company? You have a cool name. So, basically, I'll tell you this backstory of how I got it. Yeah. So, I have a very nice, very pleasant neighbor. His name is Nati Ra. He owned 306 Barbecue. And I didn't actually know this when I first walked in. So, I would say this probably summer of 10th grade, right before summer. I was walking around. I came out of Havaj. I was like thinking, what should I do this summer? And I liked I like cooking. I wanted to get a little bit into the restaurant, you know, a little bit in the business. I walked by. I was like, you know, I'm going to walk in and ask maybe they have a job in the summer. So, I walk in. I'm speaking to the guy and I see him sitting at the table. I'm like confused why he's sitting here. You know, he's like didn't assume he'd be eating at a fast food place. I I just smooed with him a little bit. I was like, turns out he owns the place and I never knew that. I think I've been eating there two, three years before that. I never knew he owned it. So, slowly your neighbor, he's my neighbor. Two houses down behind me. So, just short like long story short, I ended up working there probably two years. Started the whole I guess we'll get into that soon. Started the whole meatboards, the catering, the party planning, all that stuff. He gave you a job at Havaja. No, no, no. I was walking at Havaja down the street, realistics barbecue right over there. Got us. And I walked in and I'm seeing him at the table. I'm like, "Wow." It was like everything was from Hashem. Worked out perfectly. And they were trying to rebrand like I guess a year beforehand. some one of the managers wanted to do it. Upstairs in the storage, there was probably 4 or 500 stickers fired up. I was like, "That's a cool name. I'm going to go with it." And it's been like that for 3 years. Oh, nice. Okay. Three years. He stole the name from someone. Is that what you're saying? I think it's technically still owned by him, the LLC. I think it's actually an LLC. He came up with the name. He just He didn't come up with it. Somebody came up with it. Somebody came. They never did anything with it. So, it was available. you know, knowing knowing Nuty, I think he's going to be very happy for you to have the name and have a lot of success with it and uh tremendous success for you. At the age of 15, I'd like to know what drove you to getting a job. I mean, it's, you know, as a parent, uh, you know, I know that it's, you know, all the parents listening are like, you know, how do I get my 15-year-old to get a job, you know, and encourage him. Um, and if they do get a job, it's typically in a summer camp waiter. You got a real job. You got a proper job. Yeah. So, tell us a little bit about your background. Where where's that where'd that drive come from or that desire or that need if you don't mind giving us a little bit of your background from that? So I I really think it was just a big to do with in my entire family, father, grandfather, everybody's just like a hustler mindset and going to school obviously I grew up in a different type of situation and a lot of guys had more things than me. Not necessarily I didn't have anything. I just had more stuff than me and I really wanted to be like I want to have that stuff. I want to have let's say 25 pairs of Nike sneakers. I wanted to have this, I wanted to have that. Everybody had it. I'm like, why can't I have 25 pairs of Nike sneakers? I'm saying everybody had different Ky whole life yet. I remember. What about you? No, obviously you're exaggerating, right? I'm exaggerating, but I'm saying everybody had like I had 25 Reebok sneakers at one point. Wow. Pumps. Oh, wow. No, but I'm I'm kidding. But u So you're saying But you didn't have those luxuries. I didn't have those luxuries, right? So I tell you this, I probably started First thing I remember selling was candy. Started selling candy. I remember after a poor me and my brother sat down on the floor. We were going through all the food and all the candy in the boxes, dining room floor. We're like, you know what? This we could sell, this we can't. We just threw out some garbage. I went to school. I sold a bunch of stuff. Hershey bars. And then I was like, "Wow, I'm actually good at selling things." And I started just doing different things. And I got into selling sneakers and t-shirts, like all those hype where, you know, all those teenage kids are very into like in the early stages of high school. And then I would say about 9th grade was when I was like the first year we could work in like the day campum in Muny. And I was working on the kum crew and I was very into cooking since I'm probably about nine ten years old. So I was cooking on the week away for all the kids. It was like probably about 100 125 kids and that's where I first got into the commercialsized food and I was like wow I like this. So the following year I asked them if I could get a job and the year before that wasn't a paid job and I complained a little bit cuz I said you know why is it right that my mother should have to pay for camp tuition along with me working? Shouldn't it be like evened out a little bit? So they didn't like that and they didn't want to rehire me for whatever reason. So that was like a drive. I was like, I need to get a better job and make more money from what they would have paid me. So then I went around I was looking for something. That's a general challenge by the way that that is out there is that you pay to send your kids to a camp to work. To work. Yeah, I do understand that to defend that a little bit. I don't want it to sound like the camps are like taking advantage of of kids. Even though yeah, the parents are paying tuition and you know, you're giving them a job to do. It's a responsibility for the camp to have you around. They're providing that supervision and they're also giving you the environment. They're providing a platform for you to be there and to have a good time. So, they have to charge for it. It's not just them, you know, taking advantage of of the parents. But, so you decided to get a real job at this place uh 306 barbecue. You don't want to go back to camp. You're like, I want to I want to earn some real cash. And then you knew that you have this skill set of grilling and and cooking. And uh how did that idea come that let me start this particular fire business once you got through barbecue and you said let me do it. What was the first thing that happened? So I'll tell you this. I was really really really on the mindset of going to law school cuz I'm like very good at arguing. I love it. It's just a passion. So in 10th grade little bit after this whole situation with like wanting to get a real job I come back 11th grade and I was like talking to no it was still 10th grade. I was talking to my Rabbi at the time, Rabbi Overlander, very close with him and he was telling me, he's like, "Why don't you stay in Hal? Stay where you are." I went to Hal for high school and I wanted to leave. I wanted to go do a Trio college and just get it out of the way and then start my life. Wasn't focused on going to Israel. Didn't have any really interest in that. And I decided I said, "What could I do instead of doing that?" He's like, "You like food? Why don't you start selling your food?" In the words he's like, "Sell your food." So I was like, "Okay, I'll try." So I started doing that in my kitchen. started doing maybe two, three boards a week. Wasn't wasn't at all nice. It looked like, you know, two stakes. I was working on it. I was really trying to get better. And then eventually, cuz I was working at the restaurant already, he's like, "Why don't you just do it here?" So, I did it in the back. I probably did at the most I did like 40 boards in one week. And they were like big ones. Like I did $350 boards that are like probably where you would get it in a supermarket for 4 or 500 bucks now. Um it was I think it was sukus that it was like the busiest week. And I just kept going. And then once the restaurant closed down, I said, you know, I'm going to just get a bunch of grills, a bunch of stuff, smokers, all the stuff in my backyard, a tent, and start doing it for my backyard. Wow. So, right in the beginning, you're already doing 40 boards a week. Yeah, that was a small number. Especially it's like $2 $300 at least, right? Each of these boards. So, you're doing like $10,000 in in revenue pretty quickly. So, was 40 boards was only one week. It was only the sickest week. Oh, it was just Yeah, it was that was the busiest week. Yeah. It wasn't residually every week. The average was 10 to 15 cuz I was but the I was like that's the peak 40 boards just to start. I was like really excited. I was like this has a future. How are your profit margins on these boards? I'll tell you a rough estimate because I don't want to give exact numbers. You can tell us percentage. You can always say this by the way. I'm not going to use that. I like I like giving I like being open. Okay. It's a good it's a good thing to have. That's why we're here. Yeah. The boards the boards are usually about$2 to4 depending on the size of the board. I get them from Ellie man. Shout out. Um he's uh very helpful. He has in his garage probably hundreds of boards. So he gives me a great deal. The meat I would say $50 to $60 in meat depending on the size and then the bigger sizes have way more obviously. This is brisket, filetman, oyster steak, New York um the New York strip as they call it in Evergreen. We got kobasa. You have the garnishes, the plastic wrap and then I have the heat gun and then there's labor. No one sees this except for I'll tell you this, my grandfather is very very very supportive of me. He comes downstairs all the time when I'm working at like two I was working till 2:30 last night cuz this is just a look at me. He's like, "Wow, you really deserve all the money you make." I'm doing all of this. You don't see it, but I'm doing five boards lined up at night, piling them on, making sure it looks nice, making sure it's parallel. You just see it when you open the package. It's a lot of work into it. You're you're a oneman show. Yeah, as of now, but hopefully soon. I'm going to be signing with Tarniple with Ashka so I could go even bigger. And you don't have an Ashka right now on your boards? At the moment it's just everything is bought from Evergreen. Ah, so you don't have any particular label on your So I don't sell I don't sell it on anything except for my status. Once I get Ashk, I'll feel comfortable advertising in different places and start selling. But right now the only marketing right now is through your status. Through my status. Exactly. And if somebody wants to buy from you, they call you directly. Exactly. And then you deliver it. They come pick it up. Whatever is easier for the client. Do you charge them for delivery? Usually in Muny I try to keep it minimal. But if it's like let's say New City cuz I live on the other side of Muny. New city is 30 minutes. It's crazy. People consider it my it's like yo I live in Muny. I'm like where? Oh yeah all the way down Old Phillips Road. I put into ways 24 minutes, right? And that's without traffic. Well, but you make a route for yourself. You don't Yeah, I make a Yeah. So usually you deliver once a week, right? Fridays you'll or as needed if somebody needs something in the middle of week. I've once done in the middle of the week, but I try not to because that's when I really get busy with events. I try to keep learning in the middle of the week as well cuz you know I'm still young. So, I want to keep a balance of work and learn. I want to learn something from you. I'm very curious. This board that for those of you that don't see it, looks amazing and it smells delicious. I'm having a hard time not eating it. I think I'm going to make a I'm going to take a burnt end right now. I'm I'm curious. Yeah, barbecue season is coming. It's already here. It's already here. I go to Evergreen or any supermarket for that matter. What are the must get items? What items do I have to buy? How do I prepare? Give me a twominute rundown. I'm making a barbecue. Just give me the tips. So, to start, my favorite favorite favorite thing for when it comes to poultry, I love getting baby chicken. Now, if you want to get the pre-marinated stuff, it's a lot of times easier. Get like the evergreen has six or seven different types of flavors. Hawaiian, Texas, Chinese, all those kind of styles. Throw it on the grill 3 minutes each side on like a high flame, get a nice char, then close the grill, keep it low. It gets nice inside, nice juicy. I love it. Now, it's done very fast. Yeah. Sorry. You take No, no. I'm because I'm paying attention. Yeah. Baby chicken, you char royal on it on high for three minutes. Nice color. Yeah. And then you just lower the flame. Cover it for how long? Till you like it. Cuz some people like it more juicier and like not so cooked. How many minutes is that? I would say 3 4 minutes more. Okay. So, an additional 3 4 minutes. So, you could buy it marinated, not marinated. Marinated marinated. What do you do? I like doing classic uh olive oil, rosemary, garlic, fresh thyme. I really like putting a lot of herbs. Pack it in there. A little lemon juice, salt, pepper, garlic powder. Yeah. Really go. He's done this once or twice before. I want to ask his question a little bit differently. Go ahead. I want to the listeners that are all the cas you know, everybody's a professional griller. Every I make the best steaks or I make the best and everybody sucks at the end of the day. Okay. And you just need a few people that really know what they're doing. Like we have a friend, we're gonna call him out on the podcast right now, Laser Schwarz. The guy's a master griller. I don't know how he does it, but he just you give him a burger to put on, you give him a Frank, a hot dog, he just makes everything amazing. But most of us don't have that skill set. Most of us are just trying to figure it out while we're doing it. If I'm the casual person, I'm hosting a barbecue for my friends and for my family on a Sunday. I don't want to spend a lot of money. I don't want to go, you know, what are some tips? What what's my go-to things that I should buy in the grocery? It's easy to make. It'll always taste good. and give us some give us the Who else is thinking Michael just asked the same exact question. Exactly. I was think I was like I was like he's rewarding the way you you asked it like you know what are some of the best things? What are some You need to rest your voices. You need to rest your voice. I was telling you before the podcast my voice people can hear is uh a little bit weak today. Let's see if I can finish this podcast to say the least. Yeah, I know. I saw I use my voice a lot so I don't have a whole No, but I like the question. I'm doubling down it right. I I'd like to hear it also and the way you asked it, the way I asked it. So I have a pretty good So like I said, the baby chicken is a great option. It's not expensive and you could get a pre-marinated easy. Right. So I'm gonna I'm gonna go point you don't skip the chicken. Yeah. Don't skip the poultry is very important cuz people like I've noticed doing events a lot of people don't like to eat meat. So either it's health reasons or too heavy. Chicken's light, people like it. And when you're having guests that you don't know, it's easy thing to throw on the grill. Cheapest item that I love making and I get the most compliments are chicken wings. Chicken wings. Chicken wings. I never understood that cuz there's no meat on it. Oh, people just like spending time eating it. People I know messy. I don't Yeah, I don't like wings. I know. Eat the bones off the chicken, but I don't I don't like wings. I never knew the chicken wings are so cheap. It's like one of the cheapest. Like 199 a pound. It's a joke. It's the only thing that's never gone up in price in an Arizona tea can. I just bought chicken wings the other day for our barbecue we made. And I'm looking at the It's like two bucks print. Where they putting the rest of the chicken? Like where are they putting the rest of that chicken? Drumsticks. I love doing I'll marinate them in duck sauce and a little bit of uh It's almost like they're trying to get rid of the remaining. Keep going. So Oshi doesn't like poultry. Let's keep going. Right. So I got I got two more options. One, I think sliders are always a go-to hit and they get juicy. You have to get like Don't get the lean ones. They have nice fatty ones and sometimes like I have a good connection with Evergreen. Sometimes I tell them I like I want a fattier thing. I have to order in advance, but they'll make it for me. And like nice juicy burgers and sometimes it makes the grill flare up. You have that nice like grease fire. You can ask in advance for a fattier slider. Is that what you're saying? So, you have to order a nice amount of it. They're not going to make you one pack. It doesn't help the typical person, right? It doesn't help the typical person, but a lot of times, if you want to get ground beef and make them yourself, if you have more time on your hands, get the fattier ground beef. It comes out a lot better. Fatt is flavor. And bun. Soft pretzel bun. Pretzel bun. Yes. Pretzel bun is a good trick. I happen to I happen to like truffle a lot. Throw a little truffle mayo on there, a little pickle, a little arugula. What are you doing with your ground beef? I'm just curious the few ingredients that you're throwing in there to make a good I actually So I actually like doing it very simple. I get the pastrami rubs, whatever they have, coat the outside in it. Then I go top and bottom. When I throw it on the grill, I do salt, pepper, garlic powder. That's it. Okay, keep going. I like this. Right. So I throw charcoal. A lot of times when I'm doing it at home that I'm going to prepare for an event or something, like I said, the smoked sliders, throw on heavy smoke. I'll be putting on maybe two pounds of charcoal, half a pound of pellets, getting crazy flavor on it to start. And I'm not even gonna have the heat so high because I don't want to fully cook until I get the sear on it. I want to just get the smoky flavor cuz that's where it really gets the I love that for you. I just don't have charcoal or any of that stuff. So, what do I do? I could help you out. You want me to come over? Most people don't have charcoal. That's what I'm saying. Talking about the people who don't have smoke. People are scared. People are scared of it. It's very easy to use it. You go to Walmart, you buy a buy a bag of charcoal, you buy a chimney stack with not a chimney stack, a smoke chimney which has a little handle. It's like a metal cylinder and you put a little fire starter at the bottom and you allow the charcoal to heat up slowly. You pour it on, let's say a charcoal grill, Weber. You get a $60 one at Walmart. Works just as well. Will last you for maybe a half a summer, a summer, and you'll have charcoal barbecue. Yeah, I'm going to pass. I'm going to continue use my grill. I want to make today London broil. London broil is my favorite thing. I have it almost every single My wife keeps telling me. She's like, "Uh, at what point are you going to get sick of London Brew? When do you want I don't I I like my things over and over. I don't need something new. I know this works. I I know what it tastes like. What's the best I want to cook it today. I want to grill it today on my grill. Tell me how I should grill. I'm going to follow this and I'm going to call you afterwards." We got We got a deep secret over here. Let it out. Let the expert at London Broyal. I've tasted all of them. What is your recommendation? So, I'm not sure if you ever tried like what they call and evergreen the flat iron. It's the exact part of the London broil. Just no vein. De vained. Okay. So, you don't have to get stuck chewing that. You know that vein? Oh, that's a great secret by the way. Say that. Are you talking about? Yeah. So, London broil. You can buy London broil. De vained. Yeah. Ever for that. They have it on the rack. It's called flat iron. They call it let's say de vained minute roast. They It's the same thing. Minute roast. London broil. Flat iron from roast is the same thing as same thing. Yeah. Minute roast never tastes good. It's like from the same section. Oyster steak also comes from the top over there. It's all shoulder. It's all Yeah. Okay. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure uh you can factor. So, how am I going to grill this London, bro? What am I How do I prepare it? How should I grill? Tell me how long exactly. Okay. So, usually I make my own type of barbecue sauce. I'll take a storebought barbecue sauce. I'll throw in soy sauce, garlic, fresh garlic, like the crushed one in the jar. So, cuz sometimes, you know, you don't have time to crush all the garlic. Throw it in there. And then I'll put honey. Rub it in that. Let it sit overnight. If you don't have overnight, I'm I'm I just don't want to take it out of my mouth. You want to take it out of the Go. Fine. So, you do that barbecue sauce, the soy sauce, barbecue sauce, honey. Barbecue sauce, honey. And garlic. And garlic. Yeah. Put on there. And then get a barbecue rub. Your whatever favorite barbecue rub you have cuz everybody has a different preference on how barbecue they like it. You know, some people like get to barbecue and they're like, I want it black. Like, burn it for me. I think they're crazy, but that person likes it. Yeah. If someone likes a different type of flavor, you want a different type of I'm not friends with those people, by the way. I'm not either. I don't like those people. If you don't remember when I was cutting this the steak for you and I was like, if you want well done, you could leave. Yeah, exactly. Like a steak should be eaten medium rare to rare. As soon as you go well or well done or like what do you do? There are some restaurants that won't serve it. What other problems do you have in your life? Like there let's look. This is a larger issue like that we need to uncover. But in any case, I'm going to try this tonight. And how long should I leave it on to the grill? So, it depends on how big it is. It really depends on how thick it is. If it's uh I would say inch and a half thick, you really want to just go nice sear on it until you fi find the preference and to your liking. I find it very easy cuz every grill is different. Find it very easy. It's the easiest method. I think everybody thinks they know it. No one actually knows it. So, they go like this, right? And everybody's like, "Oh, you can tell if it's me." What are you doing? Explain. So, you go like this, right? Your fingers. Take your index to your thumb. Your index and your thumb, right? In a circle. And you go like this. Tap your tap your uh right underneath the skin underneath your thumb and you push it in and it's slow and it bounces back like this. That's more to the rear. You go like this. It slowly rises. You do your next finger, which is your middle finger and then it's a little bit more tough. Yeah. And the third you can really know how it's cooked. It gets harder and harder. So, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, that's how you know rare, medium, rare, medium. Well, nice. Well, so I actually got really good at it to the point where I don't even have to do anything. I You don't even check it inside. I just like literally just feel the steak and I'm like, "Okay, this is great." You could tell exactly. I mean, you saw the steaks the other night. Was that not like Yeah, it was great. It was perfect. Yeah. I just just got used to it. But for us mere mortals, we would actually cut. I would suggest No, I would suggest not cutting at all. Get a thermometer. I never got into the thermometer. It's so easy. You don't even have to get the wireless ones. You just get one of the things that And it tells me the temperature. Stick it in. It tells the exact temperature 125. Reliable. Very reliable. But you have to also keep in mind when you take it off the grill, it's going to cook. Once it rests, it's going to cook. So if you take it off at 125, which is technically medium rare, and then you expect it to stay medium rare, it's going to cook more. And that's what happens. A lot of times people make mistakes when they first get a thermometer. They're like, "Okay, I took it off, but why is it not showing results?" Okay. How long are you supposed to leave the meat before you cut it? When you take it off the grill, I would say minimum four to five minutes. Really? You shouldn't cut it right away. Don't cut it right away. That's when you have all the juices on the board. You know like when somebody's like cutting a steak, you see all the blood flowing. It's not really blood, but it's juice. Whatever. You see it flowing on the board. You're like, "What's happening over here? Why is he like it's not retaining inside the meat?" It's cuz you're not letting it rest. When you let it rest, it stays inside. And that's how you get like even when even when it sits in the fridge, right? The way my meatboards stay very very nice even after 3 4 days. I once had somebody take it to Florida cuz I allow it all the meat to rest about 3 4 hours before I cut it. Wow. That long. Cuz no one's eating it. It's not being eaten straight off. It's an unspoken rule that people aren't aware of enough is that you don't cut steaks or meats until you let it sit for a few minutes. How do I warm it back up? If it got cold, it's four or five hours later and I want to warm it back up. What's microwave? Uh, microwave. How do I warm You drive a Tesla, too? I did that the other day, by the way. I'm embarrassed to admit that I did that. So, what's the best way to reheat meat that it still has that you still get it juicy? So, I actually like doing it under the broiler. I put a little bit of like water or I like using soy sauce as a base all the time because it gives it like a nice flavor. It is like umami flavor. I like putting it just underneath it so it doesn't get dried out. Put underneath the broiler. Comes out perfect. I like that trick by the way. Soy sauce trick. Yeah, it's a big secret. Like it's a big secret. A lot of I've seen a lot of chefs use soy sauce all the time. Dump it on everything. I mean, I don't personally use it on everything, but I've seen people use it. You clearly have credibility. That's what I'm learning. You know what you're doing. You're I want you to cook for me all the time. Now that you have this skill set, how do we take this to the next level? What's the plan? How do we make this more grand? How do we make a real business? I mean, you're running a business already, right? Not trying to diminish what you've you're 18 years old. You've done more than most 18-year-olds have done. Some 18-year-olds are still sleeping and it's 2:00 in the afternoon. And you're out there hustling and you're you're doing good work. You're creative. The way your presentation, your business mind is working already. You're you're becoming profitable. You're thinking about your margins, how much you're buying it for, what you're selling it for. You're doing things right. You're going places, but we need to get rich. We need to become wealthy, right? You have the ability now to do that. I mean, you have a skill set. And what's what's next? What's coming? What are your big plans? So, I'll tell you this. Oh, it's always been on my mind about like, oh, can I get rich? I want to be rich. You know, like everybody has that mindset. Um, the more I get older, the more I realize like some things are just not reality. it doesn't make sense to, you know, drive Lamborghinis every day. You know, it just doesn't make sense. So, I started like bringing myself back and like realizing, you know, you have to be happy with what you have. Um, you know, everybody always says it, just be happy with what you have. And I'm starting to come to a point where like I don't need to buy this anymore. I don't need to get this stuff. I don't need to get that stuff. And like I'm settling down a little bit on spending. And I'm realizing I don't need to be the wealthiest guy around. So, I'm going to slow down with food when it comes back to Elmont. I'm going to go to some form of yeshiva and I'll do food on the side a little bit and then once I start dating I think I'm going to slow down completely on food and focus on a full-time job where I'm going to be less stressed out. People don't realize the food industry is probably the most stressful industry out there because you're not going to have yontiff. You're not going to have shabas. You're not going to have any family time like pesak. I'll tell you this. I'm single so I could do this. Went to Florida with the family. I was cooking for them non-stop. I slept maybe 4 hours a night. I was doing everything with was just one assistant. I probably should have looked back and, you know, cut a little bit for my paycheck and got another assistant, which was a huge mistake on my part, but I saw the I saw the dollar sign and I was, you know, trying to cut a little bit of a corner when it came to getting extra help. And I was like, you know, I'm not going to get a a second hand. And it ate me ate me in the in the end in the end run. I really feel like people don't appreciate when you walk into, let's say, a pizza store. There's so many different processes of how much it goes into. And you'll never see really a married guy working in a pizza shop as just an employee. Either he owns it or he's, you know, running it. It's hard for somebody once they're past the age of 22, 23 and they start to look to get married to work in a food industry where you're not going to be able to be with your family. And family is very important. So, this is not a long-term plan for you. Meatboards might be meatboards might be down the road. I'm going to be able to do it every Thursday night, you know, keep in my backyard. I have a good friend of mine, Smokeoky Joe's in Lakewood, Yustel. Yep. He's very into this stuff. Every Thursday night he's, you know, cooking his backyard. How many boards is he making, you think? A lot. What's a lot? I mean, he does different numbers per week because a lot of times doesn't do boards. He does whole roasts, which I just spoke to him this week. I want to get into that. He's like very encouraging. He's like a How many boards again are you doing right now at the moment on average? So, the past two weeks I took a little bit of a break because I'm trying to focus with Tarn and try to get it. But I was doing about 10 boards a week just since I got back from Israel. 10 boards a week, which is a nice amount. 10 200 $300 boards. You can bring in a nice amount from it. You know, we just spoke about Yeah. Are you spending all this? Do you live at home? Like, what's So, I live So, my main expenses are really just bought a car, car insurance, gas. You bought a car in cash? Yeah. Nice. Good for you. Yeah. At 18. That's impressive. Was it a Lamborghini? No. But you didn't lease it. You didn't No, I'm not I So, I'm not a fan of leasing because it's a lot of money that just goes in the toilet after four years. Let's say if you're spending $16,000 in just the car alone and the down payment also, it's gone. You're learning a lot of lessons at a very young age. By the way, I completely disagree about that. That's a conversation for another day. Leasing versus financing. Well, you lease you down the drain. But if you look at it in the long run over a 10-year span, there are advantages which maybe not advantages, but it comes out very similar to when you finance it as far as how much you're paying for it. But you also get two or three different cars during that 10 years versus having that one car throughout. So it's a luxury. That's what I agree with. Maintenance, you don't have any maintenance. After four or five years, your car starts, you know, you really spend money on it. You have to add that cost in. So there's there's a lot of merit on both sides. So I don't think there's a right or wrong way. But be that as it may at 18 buying your car, right? Yeah, come on. That's That's I got to say, I've been able to been able to buy certain things. How much money are you making, Michael? Are we starting Prime Source boards? I don't know. We might We might be able to do that. What's going on over here? That's amazing. I love it. So, let me ask you this. How do we put all the other meatboard companies out of business? I don't want to. Yeah. Yeah. I know you don't want to, but if you had a way how to do it, like, how can you take yours and elevate it to the point that like what do you think makes yours different than everybody else's? Like, why does yours stand out? If you had to promote the fired up meatboards, like obviously you cook it differently, so your yours is a little bit better. Sure. But how do we how do we elevate this? How do we take make it proprietary? How do we do that? I don't really focus on putting other people out of business. I focus more on myself and how I could become better at what I do. Do you know the other guys in the business? I know a bunch of guys in the other business. Do you guys help each other at any point? You talk a lot. So, I'll tell you this, people don't know this, but everybody, you know, talks about, "Oh, this chef is bad. That chef is bad." There's a bunch of chefs chats and party planners chats. We're like, "Don't deal with this client. Don't deal with that client. This client's in very bad news. You're talking about us. You're saying that exactly. You're all communicating with each other. We're all communicating. Everybody's there to help each other. Community. There's a community there. Everybody's there to help each other. Somebody needs help with something else. Oh, I'll help you. Oh, I have a job this day and I'm already booked. I'll send to you. Okay. You'll give me a little bit commission for sending you the job, but make the money off of it. I'm more than happy for you to make the money off it. I have a lot of friends like that. Everybody's sending each other jobs. It's m Everybody cares about each other and no one's like trying to throw somebody else under the bus to put them out of business to make more money. Speaking of which, I'm curious in your age group, what kind of other businesses are your types of friends involved in? What's the young generation getting? Exactly. That's what's what's the rave about right now. What kind of skill sets are you all looking at? Cuz this is something anybody can really do. You just got to put your mind to it. You got to have you got to go out there and make it happen. You got to work. You got to hustle. You got to know how to make good food to do this. But tell me about other businesses that young people are doing these days because we're very involved in the community and making sure people have good careers. I'm curious, what's the mindset of the young generation today in your world? So, it's 50/50. It's either the kid who wants to sit and do nothing or it's the kid that wants to go out and make a million dollars in a year. And that kid that's that wants to make a million dollars a year, he's eventually going to get it cuz he has a drive. So, he goes out, he finds something that he enjoys, which is a big thing. You have to find something that you enjoy to start off working and make money off it. Like, I know guys who are 18, 19 who started working at a nursing home. I know guys who started doing video video production and ads. Like everybody at a certain age just find something that they like and that's what a lot of the young guys are doing. They're finding something in high school what they enjoy. They're taking a drive with it and they're going with it and they don't such sage advice. Interesting. Really? That's what it comes down to. I'm curious what you do. Yeah. If you enjoy, what do you like? Yeah. What do you like? You can make a business out of anything, right? But you have to have passion. It's a nice idea, but what do you do about the other 50%. What are they doing? Mommy and daddy, right? They eventually they eventually learn and end up sitting in that 9 to-5 office job for 60 years making 25 bucks an hour and they're the ones that you know eventually need some financial help. Every single school should bring him in to 10th grade level. No, not a joke. I'm joking right now. Not just you. There are others as well. We had another kid on this podcast who's doing something in the car wash space. He was doing They're not doing anything fancy. They're not reinventing the wheel. You know what they're reinventing? Hard work. [Music] consistent rights, 10th grade, 11th grade, and just share their stories and share what they're doing and let the younger generation go out to work earlier. You know, it used to be like it was almost like a bummy thing. It was looked down upon. When I grew up, especially like when you were growing up, it was looked down upon. If you were a parent and you had a child at 17, eight that was working, you were embarrassed. You tried to hide it. You didn't want anybody to know, right? It was a dark secret in your family and now not only is it not a bad thing, it's like, "Oh, wow. You're so lucky. Your kid has such a drive at such a young age and you're getting started early and it's advancing them a lot earlier on." I think what they're doing, this is a model that we should be replicating more and that we should be exposing and promoting this and encouraging this. This is what we need. I'm loving what you're doing. So, I'll say this. I actually had one job which I was a little embarrassed about. I worked at Petland for a little bit, but it was only Mati Shabases. I was like, I don't want to hang out matzé shabas cuz I don't want to get the rep as, you know, the kid being out every mat shabas hanging out, you know, so and so parking lots this and that. So I was like, I want to get a job. Turned out it probably could have looked worse that I was working at a pizza store. But I felt that it was productive because I was making money instead of hanging out. Even if it was, let's say, 20 25 bucks an hour, you're still making something more than the other kids doing. And that's the way I looked at it. I was like, "Okay, I'll be able to chill in 10 years from now when I'm comfortable with money. I don't have to worry about it now." other guys sitting in a parking lot, let's say, hanging out with five friends. 10 years from now, they're going to be that guy that I said, sitting in a job 9 to5, making 25 bucks an hour. Exactly. That's a good message. It is a good message. You can either act now in a much nicer way. I like that idea. Don't look down on that kid at Pizza Land who's working there at 17 years old because he's building a fundamental for himself, a foundation for himself of a work ethic, that mindset that's going to translate very well for him later on, right? He's getting a a head start or he could be out in the street in the parking lot by 7-Eleven hanging out and not working and doing the same things. As a matter of fact, you know, at least these people off the streets, they're actually doing something productive. Yeah. Like I really think it's becoming much more open-minded now. people are are looking at it and saying, "You know what? It's a really nice thing, actually. It's not a bad thing." Like, I don't I don't put these guys down that are hanging out necessarily because they need a certain outlet. Like, it's better than they're sitting in jail. You know what I mean? Yeah, of course. Are you hanging out? Are you doing some of that as well? Like, when do you have time? You're very busy. You're working, working, working. What about being a teenager? You're still a teenager at the end of the day. I I try. And I know you talked about I'm going to get married soon. Relax. You have No, not soon. No, I got time. Yeah, you have time. And And now is your time to do exactly what you're doing and to grow to your personality. to start letting it shine to become a little bit of a better person every single day. Right? That's the work you got to be doing right now. What are you doing for fun? What are your friends saying about your friends jealous of you? Your friends upset at you and say you're sw you're never available. You're always so busy. Like what's that part of your life like? I'll tell you this. A lot of times I don't end up chilling. I end up working myself, you know, working myself to sleep. Like I'm just like working, working, working. I fall asleep. But when I do go on vacations or I do do fun things, I end up doing more than the average kid that's my age cuz I'll spend money. I'll rent a nice car. I'll do this. I'll go there. And like I enjoy cuz like who else is doing this? And I bring quality over quantity. And I like bringing my friends along with like I like one time I rented a nice car. I was like I asked my friends like anybody want to come drive, take a picture or whatever. Like cuz I wanted my friends to enjoy it. There's no point in being rich alone because then you're going to be lonely. You rather be with other people that are along with you. Good for you. He gets it. This kid gets your friends you're bringing them along for the ride. You're letting them enjoy the moment with you. Like I've taken my friends out to eat a bunch of times. Like I I want to enjoy with other people. There's no like you can't enjoy money yourself. It's like you don't bring it with you when you die either. Like you got to Are you also saving money? Are you putting money away? Yeah. I have a nice amount saved. My father takes care of some money for me. Your father helps you with the finances. A lot of stuff. Yeah. But you must have learned a tremendous amount about managing money. Yeah. Right. With the finance side of things. Yeah. See that he's you know becoming responsible fiscally responsible at such an age is going to be so advantageous when he gets married. Your wife's going to appreciate it. your kids going to be better off for it. Uh you're going to be so much you're going to be in a healthier space than a lot of people that are struggling in their 30s and 40s are still struggling because my god, how do we make this like almost a pathway? Maybe we make this a pathway that people should do this more where you don't just sit and learn. I'm going to get killed for this, but you don't just sit and learn yeshiva all day. I'm not saying yes is bad. I'm not saying you shouldn't go to yeshiva, of course, but also like uh curricular activities around vocations, right? around jobs and what it means, you know, to work and everybody should have a job, a part-time job. As a 17, 18y old, you got to have a part-time job as well. And and you start the process a little bit young. 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You know, during the PES, you know, during the summertime, there's so many weeks that the teenagers in our world have off that they can do things instead of hanging out. I like that message. I think that's a definitely a great message of growth if people are listening and paying attention that think of those times that you have. But I'm just curious to ask you, it's one of the biggest questions I get from people coming back from Israel or part-time stuff. What can I do in the summer? What can I do during uh the holidays? What what do you recommend those 16, 17, 18, 19 year old boys and girls that want to get jobs? What would you say? It's very hard because you don't know what each person likes, right? It's very hard to know if this guy's going to want to work for let's say a waitering agency and make $16 an hour, be okay with it making throughout the summer. Maybe he wants Give us some ideas. If if you were giving uh what your friends are doing I can name five good ideas. Give me Give me five good ideas. That would be very helpful. A solid plan if you want to make a little bit of money and enjoy yourself while you're also making money is working in a camp. You know, you're not going to be bringing as much, but if you're a good counselor, you'll get bring in some tips. That's a good easy way. you you'll be able to hang out and have a good time, go on trips. A solid second option is now for a harder working person if you want to start, let's say, landscaping or taking care of somebody's uh driveways, paving, just like an entrepreneurial seasonal job. So whether it's uh selling somebody mulch for their front lawn and you know, making sure that their you know flowers are nice versus buying a lawn mower and trimming their grass every week. Build out contracts, you know, you sign in the beginning of the month. you say, "Okay, I want to make this amount of weeks possible. Every other week I'll come on Tuesdays." You figure it out. That's like a more hardworking job, which somebody has to really devote time into. A lot of times people a lot of times people come back and they don't want to spend time doing because like, "Oh, I just learned for seven, eight months. I need a break now." Right? And they're like, "But I want to make money." It's the biggest It's the biggest twist. Every's like, "I want to make money." Oh, it's like too much work. I want to sit down. Right. So, how do you balance that? And what what else what other ideas do you have? But keep going. I like these ideas. You have uh working at camps, you have working in uh working entrepreneurial summer seasonal job. Yeah. Yeah. Um then it's going to a store, going to any store. Just shoot your shot. Ask them, do you need help doing this? Do you need help bookkeeping? Do you need help? Just get yourself into something. Let's say you see yourself in the future doing real estate. You're going to email 25 real estate agencies in local area. You'll finally get one response at least. be willing to give yourself up for very little money or even for free just to learn the learn the the job so that you could yeah internships are very important thing which I mean I guess I never really had to do because I never got into that kind of field yet but I think internships for somebody who's coming back from Israel or coming back from yeshiva or seminary is important because then you have a future for yourself and a lot of times now people don't want to go to college it's a big thing like it's oh college yes no is it safe smart you have an option now you have people would necessarily take Best way to learn on the job. On the job is the fastest way. It's like when you're going on driving school, right? You're going to make the right turn, left turn over your hand. You know, the whole stickick and then you end up going onto the street, you have five cars behind you beeping, six cars going the wrong way. You got to arrive coming at you and it's like, what am I supposed to do? You don't learn that. You learn as you drive. So, learning on the job, I think a lot of employers look at it as like more appreciated. So, they see you, oh, you already have experience in this, but you haven't gone to college. Wow, that's impressive. Let me take you first. Yeah. Okay, that's also great. Any more up your sleeve? I like this. So, that was that was three-ish four, right? Yeah. Yeah. Michael, those are three great ideas. No, there's a great one especially was a really good idea. I I think that it's words that are wise beyond your ears for saying such a thing. We actually in our company consider ourselves to be a teaching company at Prime Source. We believe in that model. We tell people that, you know, when you come here, um you don't have to know a whole lot. Matter of fact, you don't have to know anything because we provide all the education you need. We give rigorous training and it's continuous as well. We don't just train you for the first three weeks, four weeks. We keep that that mentality going the entire time and we don't pay you very a lot of money in the beginning but we give you the opportunity to learn a craft when someone industry and that is worth more than any amount of money that I can pay you because when I pay you money that money lasts you whatever that money is worth. That's it. If I pay you an actual job and I teach you an actual industry, you could take that with you forever. And that's like a college education, which we're going to pay you also while you're doing it. We're not going to pay you a lot. We'll pay you a little bit over time. You build it out. We have a commission structure. And we have a very, I think, very unique commission structure that we pay in perpetuity. Not a lot of sales companies do such a thing. So that model that you were describing at a young age, uh, go out there, find somebody you might be interested in, go give it a shot, get, you know, get in there. Forget about how much money you're making. You're young. What do you need money for? Exactly. You have food in your mouth. You have, you have a roof over your head. Uh, you have a little, you have a park you can go to and play baseball with your friends. You have a little pocket money as well, do a little odd job. But honestly, go get an opportunity with a real company that wants to teach you and and tell them, "I don't need you to pay me. I just need you to give me a spot and give me a desk. give me a chair somewhere that I could learn, I can experience things from other people, and you'll be way better off than almost 90% of those other teenagers that are waiting until they're 25 26 to get their career. Exactly. I think a big thing is even telling somebody, right, I'll work for you for free to start. If you like what I'm doing, cuz if I'm saying from like the the kids perspective, if you like what I'm doing and I'm working enough hours, maybe I could get a little bit of a bonus, right? So even in a necessarily not paying job, you'll still be able to earn a bonus and have a drive to work harder. A lot of times what I like about companies that give a commission is that you give salary plus commission. You are able to bring in more effort from the employee to bring in uh let's say 20 more sales a month cuz he sees I'm going to get a bigger number. I want I want more profit. So you have a drive to bring it in if somebody's working the same $20,000 let's say every quarter. So, it's $80,000 a year. He knows he's going to make that money. He's not going to try as hard. Definitely. Definitely. I I want to jump into this topic. Thank you for that, by the way. You said three categories. It adds up to almost I don't want to spend too much time on it. Yeah. I know. It's it's it's uh it's it's a big hot topic, but um you're talking about college and um you you got my attention there because we had this discussion once before. We have we've we've Mr. Haj. Yes. Yes. And Rabbi Haj Rab I'm sorry. I'm One of the discussions that we had and and we'll get into that now a little bit is that a lot of times the the way I see college to be uh advantageous for someone as a teenager to go to is about who you get to know not so much about what you get to know. So it's sort of like you know yeshiva university uh one of the biggest benefits I see boys coming boys and girls coming out of Stern and YU is that they create a network that lasts forever and they can feed off that network and that's a that's a priceless thing right so um and then there's other colleges and then there's online colleges I'd like to take the temperature from you in terms of your world and you know that you're living in first of all what was your Israel experience like you went to yeshiva in Israel what was that all about What are the boys thinking? What are the girls thinking? Are they going to Are they thinking about work? Are they thinking about these types of things? What's going on in that side of the world? Actually, I think we should get into that a little bit if that's okay with you. I don't know how experienc I think you went to he went to Yeshiva. Yeah. I I personally loved it and hate it. Yeah. I just came back. Um, so I'll tell you. Are you okay sharing what you went to? I went to Susman's. Okay. Great. I'll tell you this. It was a great yeshiva for the time that I was there. I took every minute into it. The first month was hard to adjust. you know, I wasn't I've never been away from home for more than 2 3 weeks. So, this is like a big adjustment and I was getting used to it. But after that, I was, you know, taking in the learning. I was really sitting down. I didn't go out much. A lot of people like, "Oh, I didn't see you. You didn't come to me for shops." I just didn't like really go out like crazy much. So, I was really devoting my time into learning. That's like I went that's what I went for cuz in my mind, I was like, you know, I'm going to probably end up going a year or two and then coming back to work. I didn't expect to come home this early, but it just wasn't working for me. Um, I'll tell you this. A lot of guys, like you said, want to work. A lot of guys don't want to work. Some guys already were asking me because they knew I had a company. They're like, "Oh, Bayman, can I work for you? Bas can I work for you?" And then the other guys are just like, you know, they live off their parents wallet. They don't really care. They come home, they go on a vacation. That's that's really the two types of ways. Some guys are thinking, "Okay, I want to find a job." Other guys are just thinking, "Okay, I'm going to go on vacation." Because they know they're going to stay in Israel for another 2, three years or whatever. Right. Right. So, they know they're going back there. They know they're going back. You ran this company while you were in Israel. I took a break. I lost some I lost some people. I did. Yeah. I had a bunch of I had a bunch of texts. I'll tell you this. I had a secret like you know burner phone whatever like with uh just WhatsApp. It was fully kosher in Israel. Yeah. Fully kosher. You have that you can have phones in Israel. You can't in my is you can have a smartphone. You have to have a flip phone. You cannot have smartones, right? Which I don't know if people are keeping to it or not. No one keeps to it. I'll tell you this. I text on the chat now on the WhatsApp group. I'll see every single guy sees the message. It's It's mad funny. Without pulling out the names of the schools, you're saying that even though the schools have rules that you can't follow, you're saying most people have them anyway. Yeah. And some guys are better at hiding it than others. And some guys aren't. Some guys end up getting caught. Personally, I had just WhatsApp. It was kosher filtered like I just needed WhatsApp. I needed to be able to communicate with people and I lost a bunch of events because somebody's like, "Oh, could you come for Kanukica? to do this. Suk is I was like, I'm spending time learning. This is like what I'm doing now. I still I'm still not perfect. No one's ever perfect. I'm working on myself. And I needed that time to really work on myself. And I still think next year also I'm going to be I'm going to learn in my cuz certain things that I was working on, it's not a help in Israel. And there's I'll tell one of the struggles is girls. There's a lot of girls in Israel. And you can't really grow in a certain sense when you're around it all day. So I need to be able to learn somewhere locally and focus more on myself here. Whoa. Okay. I'm not sure. I'm gonna pass this on to you. I'm gonna sit. Well, first of all, I'm gonna say about the cell phone thing. It's I know. Getting so real. I heard I heard recently a crazy thing about a certain rabbi in a school. I'm not going to mention where that also has the rules that you can't have smartphones. There's many I think there's like five or six yeshivas that are for like first, second, third year guys that have that rule, I think. Right. Yeah. Right. And there's one school locally. I'm saying not not in Israel. Oh, in my I'm not going to say somewhere in the US where the rabbi catches you having a smartphone, he simply takes your smartphone, Osha, you ready for this? And he drops it into his fish tank. I like that. And that's it. It's gone. That means whatever amount of money it costs to you to have the phone, not asking parents permission, making the decision, if you broke that rule, I'm going to break your phone. It's like you're throwing away your your Kapar. It's like a throw. Then you go and you buy a new one. And with iCloud, you have everything back in your phone. Eight minutes. It's irrelevant. You're right back to matter. You had a little minor interruption for commercials. That's about it. Everything goes back. Go back to Walmart. You get your backup phone. That happens all the time. Everybody's just like, "Okay, my parents took away my phone. This took away my phone." They just go to Walmart, go to Target, they buy a phone. I never had that issue. My parents were very like open. They didn't care. Like I got a phone uh beginning of high school. Like I was a little bit late to getting a phone in like in the high school I went to cuz a lot of guys had phones seventh, eighth grade. I got phone in ninth grade. I was happy with it. You know, I had my phone for what I needed. I made my calls. That was it. I saw other guys from like more more yeshivish side of the world because I went to yeshivish middle school beforehand in Deel. A lot of guys were sneaking in phones. And I was like, parents have to be open into accepting the fact that if you don't work with something, it's going to ruin the kid. And I saw a lot of kids fall away from fall away from Yiddish Kite cuz they need that was like the first gateway was getting a smartphone cuz no one accepted them. Their parents didn't want to their parents didn't want to open their eyes to realize this is a new thing. You have to be able to work with it. The temptation is gigantic. It's huge. It's the biggest thing. If you don't have a cell phone, a smartphone, you feel like you're being sheltered from the whole world. Exactly. Right. And they start resenting it and then they start Let me ask you a question. You see, I'm going to ask you the same question that I asked my oldest Yeah. son when he turned 18. I asked him, it's a great question, Oshi. I think you should uh get ready for this one. I said to him, "What?" I said, "What could I have done differently as a parent while you were growing up that I can now learn for the future kids?" I like that question. And he answered, great question. And he answered me in a very vulnerable state and we went really deep and we spoke about it for a long time and I learned a lot about myself and about parenting. I'm going to ask you the same question. Wait, wait, wait. What was the answer? What did he say, Mike? You can't just pose a question like that. The reason why and leave it unanswered. It's okay. I'll I'll answer. It's fine. It's none of your damn business. No, no, no. Can I just Can I just say something? Yeah. The fact that he asked his son that question. I mean, I see his family. That's why he has such a good family. That's why he's able to raise his kids the way they grew up. And I see the way his kids act in public and the way they act to other people. They're very respectful. They're very kind. I got to really say like you did a good job. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Thank you. They're okay. Yity knows our family and they they did a great job. And one of the reasons why, you know, we've been talking already for a while, but come on the podcast. come on the podcast. And then um when he did that event for us, we publicly said, "It's time for you to come on the podcast." So uh you know, I appreciate you saying that. I wish I could do that one day when I'm a father that I could sit down with my son, have a real conversation. You will. That's something that will something that I was missing was being able to have like a real conversation with my parents cuz I always felt like, you know, like not necessarily close enough to have the realest conversation, which I would love to do one day. Maybe they'll hear this. I don't know. But I could sit down with a friend of mine that's like 25, 26, have full real conversation. I just can't open up to my parents. I don't know. I just can't. Most kids your age have a hard time doing that. That's why we're trying to figure out what's the best formula to actually do such a thing and make that happen. Well, let's get back to that. So, just to answer your question, um, you know, the the reality of of of what came out of that discussion was for me to be more aware that things are happening even though I don't think they are. It's just being more aware that They don't like it. Yeah. You you think you're making certain guidelines and rules and the kids are going to do it anyway, you know. Um shout out to Rabbi Spivac who um has been my guidance counselor for over 5 years now um in terms of therapy and raising kids. and he taught me something that's so valuable that there is a time when your kids grow up that they transition certain categories of their lifestyle transitions you as a parent between creating rules and giving guidance. You can't tell a 27year-old kid that's still living at home the rule of you must be home by 10:00 at night and you can't tell the 5-year-old guidance on what kind of girl to marry. Right? So you have to transition that part and I learned that through those years and really hearing from my kids you know what I can do better and you know doing that helps a lot. So going back to you I'm curious then what would be a message that parents should hear from someone like you who says I felt restricted in talking to my parents and it's probably why I guess certain things happen in your lifestyle of you know sharing versus not sharing. What should they do differently? what should other I'm not talking about specifically your P I'm talking about in general so I'll limit it to this a bit about my family I'll say that it was a messy divorce and I think if they would have had a little bit of guidance beforehand I'm not going to go into details but it could have it pro I don't I never know it could have been better could have been worse who knows but a lot of things that I see now I have a lot of older friends so to speak but not for you guys it's younger like 26 27 28 and I have a lot of friends who are getting divorced I think the biggest thing we live in a disposable generation everybody wants to be able So, you know, argument doesn't work, get divorced. I'm not saying every divorce is not not a messy one. But a lot of them are just like a small thing where if there was a work beforehand, it wouldn't have exploded. People get married too young. People get married too unready. Some people get married perfect timing. Some people, you know, it's all up to Hashem obviously at the end of the day. But some things could be worked on beforehand. If there was more classes about how to let's say because we're talking about working beforehand in high school already preparing how to work, how to be a mentor, how to learn how to respect somebody else. A lot of times in the more sheish world, you don't really know how to speak to the other gender. So when you come to let's say getting married, you're raising a family with with something that you never had practiced with before and you never really spoke to other people besides your family. So you never spoke to a girl before and then you're starting to realize different things about a girl's emotions as you're I mean I have no experience from this. I'm not married so I don't know about anything about reason kids you could interrupt. It's scary how target you're how on target you are right. So continue attentively listening. Yeah. I'm listening every word. Go ahead. Yeah. And you're not ready for it. Like I don't know if I'm going to be ready for what's going to happen. Like I never saw I' my parents have been divorced since I'm five, six, whatever. I've never seen like a like a normal marriage for me to base it off of raising kids. I live in my grandparents house on their grandchildren. It's not like I really saw people raising their kids. is they're not going to be ready for certain things. Some people aren't ready for anything at all. Okay, the guy sees his wife, you know, she's in a bad mood. He doesn't know how to really interact, starts an argument. If they would have went to counseling or something beforehand, it could have been prevented if they would have spoke to a therapist and had a if the guy would have went himself to be a bigger man and went to a therapist and said, you know, I'm struggling with, let's say, getting upset at my wife for not making food on time. The smallest thing, right? There was a rough that even like gave a suggestion. You eat something before you go home. Whole thing. Just speak about the small things and that leads up to the bigger things, right? Small things build up into bigger things. Work on yourself beforehand. Then parents, even non-ivored homes, right? Parents argue all the time, I'm sure. Am I wrong? Am I right? Let me ask you something. You're doing a really good job articulating all of this and your feelings. And did you ever speak to any of your parents, your mother or your father about this? Now, you said before that you have a hard time sharing. and you have a hard time having that relationship with them. Sometimes it's just a matter of actually sitting down in a room and just having a conversation about how you feel and some questions that you have. Did you ever try that? Because you're doing a really good job with us right now. I don't like bring it up to them because let's say they're divorced, it bothers them. Everybody has a different baller. Like if you speak to somebody who just got divorced, it bothers them still and it bothers them for the next 10 years, 15 years because they really like the person at a certain point and it brings up a pain that they're going to always have because a marriage is a very intimate thing where you're connected to a person and when you break that connection, you're still a little bit like you feel like sore at the end. So when you bring up a divorce with somebody, it necessarily would hurt them and not the biggest. It's a scary topic. Sure. It's intimidating. Uh who who raised you? Who did you grow up by? I mean, it was it was it was a little bit of everybody, you know, like my I went to my father once a week. My mother and her parents and I lived in their house. I was back and forth switching off. It's it's very rough for a kid. I don't know how I ended up normal. I mean, I'm not normal, but you're very you're beyond normal. I'm not. See, that's why I'm not normal. I'm not I'm not like, you know, you're actually doing things. I'm sorry. Another shout out to Rabbi Spac. There's no such thing as not normal. You may not be common, but you're very normal. I'm definitely not common. Yeah, I'm not like% and I could tell you that any parent I'm a parent these days, you know, I have children. Michael's a parent for many, many years, a lot longer than me. Any parent would be so proud, would be honored and would shout it from the rooftops to say, "This is my son." Uh, respectful, courteous, smart, intelligent, who's hustling, has a drive, has motivation. A minute ago I was saying that we should take you around to schools and we should parade you around and showing teenagers what we expect of them like what they can do now to prepare for a better life. That's what the level you were on. That's what we're doing immediately. So why I don't think it's smart is because I don't think everybody should be expected the same thing cuz everybody's different. A guy who's sitting and learning, we need learning people and I would love to be able to sit and learn also but I have a drive to work so I'm not going to be able to learn for the rest of my life. People are sitting and learning don't have to get up out of their seat and and go work because there's zool. Somebody's going to have to work. Somebody's going to have to learn. We have to have people in yeshiva have to have people in the army. Let's say, right? The whole dividing, you know, trying to get everybody into the army. You have to be able to have everybody in their proper position. Yeah. You can't mess up Hashem's way of planning the world. So, if you start making everybody work and you bring, let's say, somebody in to speak about how kids should work, you're going to take away a drive from the kid who wants to learn because he's going to see everybody's going to work. Yeah. You have to you have to target. You have to more I don't mean one or the other. I meant one. So you have to more or less target keep a little bit more open-minded to not shun the people that want to get a head start. I want to circle back. I I great answer to what you're saying to us in terms of speaking to your parents. Maybe not the right time. You don't want to open wounds. You'll do it at the right time and I'm sure with the right guidance you have someone guiding you. I'm sure I speak to some people. I'm not the best at wanting to go to therapists. Like I've never really enjoyed it because I feel like it's something forced upon. you could more or less be more open when you feel comfortable, you know, there's no pressure on it. Like we're having a conversation right now as real as it's gonna get and people aren't necessarily going to open like that to a therapist. I don't know about that. So I disagree with you and I really encourage That's me personally. I'm not I'm not saying in general. I'm saying me personally and you haven't so you don't know. No, I've been to a lot of I've been to a lot like growing up I was probably four or five like I was always going to different ones. But you mentioned something very important. You were forced. You felt forced to therapist and that's a really important You have to want You have to have a want. We both go to therapy still till today. Yeah. As recent as last week. I respect that. We both still go and we've been around a lot longer than you. So, we have more problems than you, right? We also have amazing things. Our lives are great. We have a lot of beautiful things going on, but we want more and we want to get better and we want to We want to grow. We want to grow. So, we believe we're big fans of therapy. Happens to be um a lot of people are. So, I'm still working on myself to want to get to that point. They have their You have to get there on your Yeah. You have to want it. You have to It Once it's forced on you, then it defeats the entire purpose of why you going. I'm going to I'm going to commit that you can come speak to me once a week until you find your own person that you're as long as you want to. Um we're not going to make an exact time schedule for that once a week. It's not going to happen. But he'll if you you know once a week if you keep going when you want to, I'll be available. It's the highest priority for me other than my family and but uh definitely high priority because you know I'm I'm hearing so much information from you. It's it's not every day you get to speak to a boy that's from a divorced family who's really you have your head screwed on so straight and with a lot of good things going for you. And so I just want to interrupt. I'm not like my head's not screwed on so straight like I still have a lot of things that I'm working on. Like people don't see that like I'm not going to be open to the public about things that I'm struggling with. Like I have a lot of things that people see me and they're like, "Oh, wow. You're a very good kid." I still have a lot of things that I struggle with. Yeah. I mean, news flash, everyone does. Yeah. I'm saying, right? It's okay. What I mean, what he just said a minute ago still stands for Yeah. Exactly. You're sitting here functioning. You're You made a delicious meatboard. You have a bit of No, Zack. That's what I mean by that. And of course, and and you should realize, by the way, that everyone, no matter what they look like and how fancy their watch is or their car is or their shirt is, everyone struggles with something. And uh therefore, it's important for everyone to speak to someone. And you're right, having friends to speak to is probably more important than just, you know, anything else. Um, finding a therapist that works for you is very, very important and it should definitely not be forced upon you. Um, but that begs the question, what else should anyone have done or can do with a divorced child? Uh, you know, I I just I'm thinking about this and I'd love for you to answer as much as you want and as much as you're comfortable with, but I feel like some parents after they get divorced spend more time with their kids than when they were parents. Meaning they have to spend the entire Wednesday with their child or, you know, every other Shabas they have to give complete attention to their kid. What can be a message in your opinion based on your experience and who you are today that can better that for children and for parents alike from divorced families. So I actually heard Jacobson say this and I fully agree with it. It's when you have time with your child, don't focus on the other parent. Focus on yourself and what you could provide to that child. Focus, you know, okay, we're going this. Oh wow, yeah, but he did this for me or she did this for me already. Like you know, like the kids talking about I have to interrupt you. Yeah. Don't focus on the other children. You mean no? Don't focus on the other parent. What do you mean? The father shouldn't talk about the father shouldn't talk about the mother. The mother should Sorry. I'm sorry. Repeat that again. Oh, he I missed that part. So like you're going again. Rabbi Yway Jacobson said what? I'm sorry. He was saying you can't talk bad about the other parent, right? But I'm going to go more than just talking bad. I'm going to as a divorced parent when you're sp I'm sorry. I I didn't understand this. When a divorced parent is with their child that once a week, don't ever speak negatively about the other parent. Right. That's this. Yeah, I listened to I listened to a bunch of his podcasts which were for divorced parents, but I was bored in yeshiva and I was listening to some of these I guess like bus rides. So So shout out to Rabbi W. I love him. He's a very nice guy. Good. But you have your own addition to that as well. So my own addition to that is maybe go one step further to build the child's respect. Oh, your your mother did this for you. Oh wow, that's very nice. She's really treat let's say like whatever she's really treating you well. Wow, it seems like she's a very good mother. like just build on to that. Or the mother is saying about the father, you know, like, "Wow, he's going out with you to let's say um I don't know, you're going race car driving, so to speak. You're going to F1 g F1 race. I know that's very popular now." Wow, that's very cool. Wow. I wish I could I wish I could go with you. So if you're Yeah. So your right bring like bring the other parent up to so the child doesn't see an argument anymore because there's no arguing anymore. You're already divorced. What's the point in making it worse, right? Don't look back at things that happened. Look forward so you can move forward. What he's saying? I I'm a little emotional because what he's what he's what he's yearning for as a as a child is he ultimately wants his parents to show love to each other. Can't have that. They're divorced. Okay? So, you have to move forward. But the most standard thing is at least don't kill each other in front of the children, right? Don't fight with each other. Don't. But now he's saying even more than that. He's saying build up the other spouse because at the end of the day, it's your mother. At the end of day, it's your father and you want people to say nice things about your father. The child's going to respect each parent, right? who wants to hear positive things about each parent, even when somebody else, let's say, is talking to you and disrespects your parent, right? You stick up for them. Yeah. You don't appreciate when somebody puts down your parent, right? Like when I'm when I hear somebody say something negative about my mother or my father, I'm going to stick up. I'm going to Right. So why would you want to hear your other parent saying that, right? That's the worst thing in the world. Yet see, that's a very powerful thing. Very powerful. I'm I'm talking about this in general. Even in a healthy marriage where somebody's having an argument, close the door and argue behind the door. Don't bring the kids involved. Yeah. Yeah. And you made a comment earlier that I caught. You said you made a comment like, you know, I haven't seen a healthy marriage. Like what's what's that going to do for me? Like, you know, I don't have a role model to look at. I'm not sure. I want you to know that every single parent does something that's wrong, right, to their children. Every parent. um some uh much larger scales, some in smaller scales, but doesn't matter. Each thing in its own way and there's somebody that has to break the cycle. There's somebody that has to say, "I'm going to do better or I know what not to do and I'm going to change it." It's always the case. Always happens. You have unfortunately people that are abusive parents physically physically abusing their their children and that child knows the pain that that caused and they go out of their way to make sure that when they're parents and they have children, well, sometimes it's the opposite. Sometimes the child that's even that's even worse. That's what I mean. So you at some point, you're right, there's a bigger chance that that child is probably going to also do the same things that their parent did. 100%. But know that there is always going to be someone that's strong enough that has the fortitude that is courage, courageous enough that they break the cycle and that their kids are going to start a beautiful trend that their kids are going to see a beautiful marriage. your grandkids see even a better marriage because you start you're going to be that person that's going to break the cycle. You're going to be the one that you're actually going to know how important it is to have a nice marriage. You're talking about things so far beyond your years when you're having an argument. Don't do it in front of the kids. Just do it in a side like you you have the rule book. You got the playbook. Like you know your stuff at this point that I believe wholeheartedly I'd bet my house on you. I believe that you're going to be that person that's going to just I mean you're already showing early signs everything that you're doing how just like respectully respectful you are. amazing you are. You're emanating. You're radiating just confidence and and you have you're not just your head screwed on straight. Your head is screwed on perfectly. I really believe that. Michael, am I exaggerating? I think you should use this podcast as your me. I agree with that. I think this is great. No, it's not not a joke. I'll tell you this big a big big struggle that I have is when I get stressed out, I'll start to yell a lot and I'll like the that's why I really want to slow down in what I'm doing is because it's getting me very it's very aggravating and I can't have like a normal relationship with like my family because if I'm in the house and I'm trying to run to a job, I can't talk to anybody. I got to just, you know, go to the job. I can't, right? And something that I'm really trying to work on before I even think about dating is, you know, I have to be able to talk to people while I'm stressed out. I be able to put it aside and, you know, be able to talk to the person because maybe they have something important to say. Um, no one's perfect and when you have when you're telling me, oh, you're going to have a good marriage, I appreciate that. But you have to be able to make mistakes in order to learn. So, I feel like making mistakes sometimes is a good good value. Don't make mistakes. You learn lessons. You learn lessons. Exactly. It's not a mistake. It's something that you did that wasn't right, but it was right because at the end of the day, it made you better at 5 years later. So true. You know, uh, you said laser shorts before. So, a mistake is not a mistake. 100%. We do not mention Liz Schwarz a third time. I'm going to say I think because he's going to he's going to take this podcast over very soon. As soon as once we let him say it we're going to lose him, Michael. He's going to be sitting over here very soon. He had a great line the other day and it reminded me uh this discussion. He he said to me, "Show me someone who hasn't experienced pain and I'll show you that person who has never experienced happiness. You have to go through that pain in order to experience that, in order to understand what it is like." That's very profound. It's it's and it's Laser Schwarz. I love it. Shout out to Laser Schwarz. Um, you know, we're we're we're going to need to wrap up in a minute. And uh but before we go, first of all, do you have any questions for us? I want to know what brings you happiness when you see your children do something like what is like your biggest point that you see your child do something you're like, "Wow, I'm like this is like my kid. Wow. We got to have a part two. Throw something. We got we have to have a part two. I can't do it. This kid I'm tell this kid is you're amazing. You're just the fact that you asked that question like I was immediately thinking like what am I gonna ask like right away I was like it's such a big topic. Yeah. It's such a big topic. It's so profound. You know kids Michael we don't give them enough credit. Teenagers kids they get it. They're holding with a lot more than we think they are. And I think we just answered your question from before. What would a child want their parents to do differently? I think is just appreciation and respect from their parents. Like wow you did this. Wow, you really did a good job. I'm proud of you. Like just like just of like just to be told that like you know you're like the best out there. Even if you're lying to your kid straight to his face, just make sure that he knows that you're supporting him. Family is like the most important. Like right now that I'm working, I have my family supporting me. Everybody's extremely happy. Not because it's none of your business. It's all of your business and it's all of everybody else's business that's listening because this is a big topic that we should talk like as a parent. What makes me happy with my children when I see them do something? when I see them say something like I I don't know yet. I want to think about that. But Michael, I'm punting this over to you because you're you're way more you have kids that are much older and way more experienced. Like you could probably answer this a lot faster and better than I can. You might have taken the punt out of bounds. Well, I love the question and um you know there's so much I want to answer to that question and literally we can make another podcast out of this topic. Parenting and I'll come back. I appreciate that. Thank you. Um, I would say what makes me happiest is when I see the kids getting along. To me, that's a very, very big deal. It's a testament to the way we had them raised and it's also a testament to the fact that they're healthy and they're happy. Um, I actually have more enjoyment when my kids get along with each other than they get along with me. And that's a very big deal for me. I want because that shows that they have gotten along with me throughout the years. And and there's a fine balance of knowing when to be a friend and when to be a parent and when to let go of that being a friend. And a lot of parents I feel like, you know, they they're obsessed about being friends with their kids, but their kids are also obsessed about having friends. So, you got to know how to let go. So, that's my answer of seeing them enjoying each other's company. Oh, I love it. So, yeah, I honestly really love that. And I think a big big reason like what I was saying before is where I am today. I have my family support. Everybody is way more than supportive of me. What I do and what I choose to do. The fact that I came home from Israel wasn't working for me. At first was a little bit of argument. My mom was very happy. My my my grandparents weren't so happy I was coming back. But everybody at the end of the day is very happy with what I'm doing. And sometimes kids need that. Yeah. That encouragement, those words of encouragement, which is so important. And I appreciate you sharing that with the world and uh being so vulnerable with us today and opening up. And I didn't think it was going to go that that deep down. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, we we started asking our guests another question that we were coming up with and it's doing pretty well. So, I'd like to ask you this question also before we wrap up, which is you have a message. You can send it out to the world. Everyone's listening. What's that message? It's a hard question. I have to definitely say one thing which is the most important thing in probably the reason why Jews were in Gullis and why people there's wars everywhere. You have to just be able to respect a different person no matter how different they are. You have to be able to look at the person past their differences. Something that I was, you know, very judgy in 9th, 10th, 11th grade, which I worked on myself in the past two years. You can't be so judgy and you can't really throw a person down because they're not doing as much as you. And I think we spoke about this on the other night. We were sitting at the table. You have to be able to accept somebody who's not doing as much as you cuz he has his values that you don't have. Wow. That's a great message. which I appreciate. This kid's going places, man. You're enjoying it. This kid's going places. I don't know. Well, he's coming for all our jobs very soon, right? I told you. I don't like I don't want to do that. No, no, no. It's good. I I appreciate that. Oshi, any other questions before we wrap up? I got like a million more. All right, so we're going to save this for next time. Like, you know, we got to cut it down. You've seen our podcast before. Yeah, I'm sure. Have you been enjoying them? Do you have any favorites? Ali Bos. Yeah. No, no, I Ali Bos, good friend of mine. Yeah, personally. Uh it was it was cool to see some that's when I first like really asked you I was like can I get on the podcast? When I saw him I grew up like right around the corner from him. He's uh he was I think just married at the time. Yeah. So we got to know each other very well. He's very talented. He's very entrepreneurial like myself. So I was looking up to him in a lot of different aspects and I was like wow he's on the podcast. I listened to it. I was like wow that's a good one. Well guess what? He helped us come up with our logo. We appreciate all that work. Ellie a recommendation of a guest to sit in your seat. So now that we had a really deep discussion, I think somebody who I quoted many times, I think about why Jacobson would be a great option to have sit down, have a real conversation. He could really go he has great stories. He speaks for hours. He'll be able to keep you I I love hearing his stories. It's almost like he does like 20 stories in one breath. I always wonder like where when does he have time to breathe? Um very dynamic. Do you know him personally? So I know him from Shiners. Very friendly with him. He's a very friendly guy. And are you going to get him on? I could try to ask him. Okay, ask him. Listen, if he inspired you, then I'm sure he can inspire us and others as well on our journey. Uh, thank you everyone for joining. Please don't forget to like, subscribe, comment, get involved. Thank you for the Prime Source production team. And that's a wrap. Thank you so much. Fantastic. It's a great great