Gun Rights Expert Reveals What They Don't Tell You

so they ran out quickly and he ran after them and he took out his gun and he said give me my stuff back and get out of here they gave the stuff back they got out of there but you know where they went to the police station the police station and they filed a report and this man was arrested none of your business oi none of your business Michael it's the noneof your business podcast hosted by Michael anoshi welcome back everybody to another amazing episode of the N business podcast please don't forget to like comment subscribe and a big thank you to the prim Source team for being behind this amazing journey of ours Peter first Welcome to our show thank you thank you I'm very happy to be here it's such an honor to have you and I and like ushi said we feel safer having you in the room and to be honest this is the hottest topic now that is in synagogues in places of prayers and even when you go to a museum you look around you're like is anybody carrying here is anybody here to protect me in a school especially I mean you turn on the news any morning and you'll hear about an unfortunate incident that happens in a school and going to pray in synagogue honestly today's day and age especially since October 7th I'm personally nervous now I was I always tell my friends I misplace my earpods on a daily basis so I'm not sure if I'm a good candidate for a weapon but you'll have to tell me if you think I am or not but um my history with guns is my Nerf guns um I had a BB gun when I was 14 years old because back then then you were able to order anything from a catalog right remember those you you got your catalog I forget the names of them but you could order ninja stars and butterfly knives and nunchucks and BB guns I had them all under my mattress took a long time to get though because you had to send a check to get it that's true that is a money order a money order correct yes yes yes remember those yes so uh those the payone days so I have to tell you I'm excited for you to be here welcome again to our show um we are on the noneof your business podcast please everybody remember to like comment and subscribe uh we are over a bar mitzah by the way uh because we've passed our 13th episode oh and thank you thank you so you're a part of that Journey for us and with us and uh like I said this is a Hot Topic my friends that are all around me started caring and I'll um I'll I'll move it to you ushi in your experience and what you're hearing but I will leave you with this the one thing that my friends tell me that go through the course and especially the ones that have learned from you on the legalities of carrying a weapon and the severity of the liability of having a weapon on you is that if they're praying in a synagogue and God forbid something happens where someone comes in with a weapon and you know starts just drawing out his weapon and everybody's scared you know what my friends who took Peter's class tell me they say the first person we shoot is Ellie and Ari and yussi who didn't take a class who don't know what they're doing who are likely to kill others and then we go after the terrorist have you heard that before I have heard that I have heard that uh look there's been a sea change over the last um I mean this is generational change but in the last five years certainly since the pandemic people's attitude towards guns has changed and especially in our communities uh in the Northeast where guns were not so accepted uh beforehand uh theyve more widespread more accepting uh of people with guns and uh now certainly normal people everyday people are applying for gun licenses at at unbelievable race yeah well Peter I'm one of those guys okay okay and I think you're right the landscape has completely tilted in the last 3 to 5 years you know 10 years ago somebody who had a gun in their house it was an anomaly correct so what do you need a gun for what are you doing it's dangerous but now today it's almost like a necessity it's almost the opposite you don't have a gun in your house like like you do you know what's going on in the world today and especially since October 7 that's what really really uh just gave me the indication it's time it's time you know I you can't sit here and rely on the government rely on the local police force it's great sure but every person wants to protect their family and at that moment it hit home for me and I said it's time I got to do something about it so I went and I applied and I started taken the courses and I'm happy to say that eight months later I now have a concealed carry permit I have not yet purchased my own gun which I'm going to hope that you're going to help me out Peter to decide what's a good fit for me you know but I haven't yet done that but I got my card I have my permit so I'm you know I'm I'm a step ahead and a lot of people in my community as well have also taken upon themselves to get their permits and you're right more people in synagogues carrying makes everybody feel safer absolutely and I think that this has really become a very hot topic and this has really been brought to the Forefront because of what's going on in the world when I met my wife and I came from Brooklyn with a handgun and her response was what are people going to say if they find out that you have a gun I don't want a gun in our house you know people will be shunned uh people won't let their kids play in our house and that was the stigma in the Northeast and so yes I think that the that that covid was a big breaking point right people looked at this situation and said I didn't know basic government services could just shut down in the 21st century in the Northeast right how could that happen and so that's one thing and I was uh in Israel in January and I visited a lot of these communities that were uh that were targeted that were victimized by Kamas and I spoke to people who didn't have guns in their house who survived and they one guy told us he called the police he picked up the phone the lines were down and there was no one there was no help and so people are starting to understand that you are your own first responder you have no choice and that all happened at the same time that the Supreme Court reminded Us in 2022 in June of 2022 in the Bruin decision that not only are you your own first responder but you have a constitutional right to be your own first responder because the Supreme Court told us that not only do you have a right to have a gun you have a right to carry that gun outside the home and that that right is not for hunting or some some sporting purpose but to defend yourself for for self-defense and so that was a really landmarked decision that really opened up gun ownership and and gun possession to a broader range of people than had ever had that opportunity before so you believe that's very well articulated by the way you believe that every single citizen every common person the average person should have a gun lying around their house to protect their family I think our country was founded on that principle and if you look at our country in particular right nobody Native Americans who were here before we got here but no one else was born here right all of us are from people that took great Journeys across great oceans to or or walk great distances to come to this country we are a selection of the most adventurous the bravest the the most Fearless and so this is what America is about and this is this is our American Stock we are the people that didn't stay behind we are the people that were willing to take the chance leave everything behind and and travel across the world and so our country was kind of founded on this principle our founding fathers broke away from a totalitarian government and and the way I say this to people and I way the way I say this to judges is our founding fathers in their Infinite Wisdom did not give us the con itional right to possess anything other than one item we don't have the constitutional right to housing we don't have a constitutional right to Medicine Medical Care to uh abortions to not to get not to get political to Wine to basic necessities to close the only constitutional right guarantee the only item guaranteed under the first under the constitution of this country is the right to bear arms and why is that because once you have that then you can maintain your basic freedoms then you can get the other things you need you can get food you can get shelter but without that everything can be taken away from you and we our founding fathers to have the foresight 250 years ago to say you know what there's nothing else this is the only thing we're not worried about you having clothing we're not worried about you having water or food but the right to defend yourself the right to the item that is most necessary to protect yourself that you have a right to have wow I have to tell you guys both of you that um over a decade ago I bought myself a shotgun and that's easy and it's just an interesting phenomenon that you can go to a Walmart and buy a shotgun I didn't go to Walmart I went to another store but I got a shotgun to have a protection in my home I didn't wait for concealed carry to get easier to get I didn't wait for a situation like I October 7th to wake me up I always wanted to have a protection in my home I I grew up in Brooklyn by the way with a guard dog mhm we had a trained German Shepherd and we needed that German Shepherd to protect our home what day bro in Brooklyn on Avenue I in East Third M my old stomping grounds there we go so you know that we used to wake up in the morning to burning cars yep okay I used to travel around to school with brass knuckles mace and a butterfly knife in my pocket just to feel confident to make it to the school bus right that's the environment that I lived in so as soon as I had a house on my own I said I need to have some sort of protection and brass knuckles is not going to cut it so I went out and I got a shotgun but what makes it interesting is well first of all I have to tell you a quick story when I went to get the shotgun I asked the guy behind the counter I said what kind of shotgun do you recommend he said the one that makes the loudest sound when you [ __ ] it that's the one that scars them off yeah exactly and that's the one that I got I got the loudest that you can find and you know God forbid I should never have to use it but it makes a loud noise loud enough that an intruder would uh be aware that someone is carrying something um I'm curious though what what are your thoughts about that like why do I have to have a concealed carry if you're probably going to end up convincing me not to carry it a lot because it's so difficult which we'll get into later but rather just let everybody know today before you get a concealed carry go out and get a shotgun and protect your family well that's a no-brainer oh okay so you're agreeing with I'm agreeing with you brainer everyone should have something there's there no-brainer that you're going to have some protection in your house sure okay you have an obligation to yourself you have an obligation to your family and you have an obligation to your neighbors and my gun makes everyone safer around me and I feel very strongly about that and look there are times where I don't carry for whatever reason maybe I want to have a drink with dinner maybe I have May you know I want to be comfortable I uh I don't want to have to wear a cover garment whatever the situation is but on those occasions I do have a certain amount of guilt that uh okay I'm not fulfilling my responsibility but hopefully there are other people that are fulfilling their responsibility and keeping me safer when I'm let's say falling down on the job interesting so it's on your mind you know that it's on your mind it's on my mind and so listen when you have a gun on you right you you have a different attitude maybe you're not going to get into it on the road with someone uh over traffic dispute as a child I have to tell you growing up in Brooklyn I felt safe not only because we had a German Shepherd that was trained his name was poey by the way good um but we I also had a dad that carried okay and he carried every day he was an Israeli and he was in the Israeli Army to him it was second nature but he had a really cool like you know the vest you know they had the the gun holster on the side right the shoulder Hoster exactly and um I'll never forget it was 2:00 in the morning and popey was barking and we knew that if he's barking at 2:00 in the morning if something is happening and we came to the window and we saw two men trying to break into our house and he you know papey got them to he scared them off but my dad didn't want them to ever come back so he went out on the street in his velour pajamas never forget it I was a young child and he took out his gun and he made them aware that we are a carrying family and I have to tell you I felt comfortable my entire life growing up knowing that I'm in a very bad neighborhood but I feel safe so thank you ABA yeah I have to tell you Michael and Peter it's very sad it saddens me that it's come to this and we're now in a position where yeah it's the the right thing to do is to have some type of weapon in your house to fend off some of those people that potentially want to do you harm you know I grew up in a very small community everybody knew everybody nobody locked their doors at night when you parked your car you didn't bother if your key was in your pocket or not you left it there you left your car running sometimes like that's that's how I grew up and a lot of people grow up that way and it's a very naive way to think that this is how it is everywhere obviously there are certain parts that are more dangerous than others but how did it come to this how did it get to be where no matter where you go you're not safe anymore you're not safe anywhere wherever you go you have to look over your shoulder and is this the new normal is this how it's going to be forever are we ever going to get to a point where we can just start trusting each other again so I think I have a broad view on this because um I've been involved in the criminal justice system for 33 years okay so tell us about your background okay so uh my background is uh kid from Brooklyn New York City Public Schools uh and ultimately uh I went to Carnegie melon in Pittsburgh for college uh came back to New York for law school and uh after law school I was very privileged to have what I think was the best job in the world I was appointed as an assistant district attorney in the New York County District Attorneys Office in Manhattan and um it was literally the best job in the world and I got there in 1991 which was really the height of the crack epidemic of the 1990s uh probably we hit the high Watermark and homicide right around that point Citywide maybe around 89 or 90 but it was I was close to the peak and so I came to New York I came to to be a prosecutor first of all I grew up in New York I grew up in Brooklyn I took the subway to school took three Subways to high school you hear it in your accent very very discernable yes yes it is um and uh I I took three Subways to school and I saw the scourge of crime in New York so I felt very excited about being part of the solution and something great happen because right after I got there Giuliani became the president became the mayor and uh J when juliani became the mayor law enforcement really changed in in a tremendous way because we went from being reactive and really feeling that we couldn't affect crime to understanding that we were in control and during the the 10 years I was a prosecutor and I graduated from handling the most mundane crimes the most minor crimes they handling homicides the most serious crimes and I was part of the gun trafficking unit in the Manhattan DA's office where we would buy guns undercover in the street and Trace them and and try to understand how uh guns were illegal guns were flowing into New York and we really made a difference and over the time I was a prosecutor over those 10 years crime and homicide to violent crime and even the most minor crimes went down and we went from a situ situation where uh homeless people on the street and and the the window washers would come out to a to a place where that didn't exist and then uh the pendulum swung the other way and here we are today but you know remember we're talking about you know and I suspect that not only are you younger than we are you also grew up in a different uh environment geographically but you're younger than I that than we are so I suspect that you grew up maybe during more of the time when law enforcement was having a positive effect and we grew up before you know I I grew up in Brooklyn in the 70s when you know it was chaotic and police had lost all control and there was no hope of that they they thought there was no hope of ever gaining control now look the formula is very simple the formula is very simple a small percentage of people are committing a very large percentage of the crimes if you throw those people in prison the crimes go down then not out there committing crimes do we have the stomach to do that anymore I'm not sure we did it got to a point where we said this is the only option but at some point it'll get bad again and we're going to say that the only option is to start throwing criminals in prison I think what you're saying is it's much better than it used to be I mean at least that in terms of a city living you know it is it is much better but it's but it's on the backslide again and uh and I'm and you know you mentioned you're sad I'm sad and I'm sad because I watched the progress we made slipping away because we're now become so uh liberal or woke whatever the language is that we can't do what we need to do to protect people and we're watching it slip back to a time that it was in the 70s and80s very nerve-wracking I find that sad yeah yeah that there's there's nothing worse than hearing on the news about some individual that committed some heinous crime he killed someone stole from someone whatever they did and then you find out that this person was actually incarcerated in the past was let go under some technicality and some bail reform Rule and they let him go and here he is you know a repeat offender did it a second time then you find out sometimes that he was actually in jail three or four times and he's like at what point are we going to actually take control here and say enough is enough does somebody have to get kill until we actually open our eyes say you know what this person should not be on the streets roaming freely they should actually be in jail like I like it seems like the system is almost working against us it's supposed to be there to protect us but it seems like not only they're not protecting us but they're actually trying to figure out ways how they can increase the crime how they can let more people in the streets that clearly don't belong in the streets and we could talk about maybe there are other routes whether it's you know mental health you know helping them you know institutionalizing them giving them you know the therapies that they need we could talk about that but let's let's face it bulk of what these people are are is they're just Bad actors and they need there needs to be consequences every child knows this without consequences everybody does whatever they want it becomes Anarchy it becomes chaos what is it about the state of New York and I'm not a professional I'm not a a a legal expert here but I know enough to know that in New York we're sort of spearheading this maybe some other states as well but in New York this is a giant problem why is it such a problem here more than it is anywhere else it's a great question I I don't know that I have easy answer especially because New York city became really the safest large city in the country and we we know how to do it so it's very hard to explain why we would allow ourselves to start moving back in the direction that we fought so hard to get out of it doesn't make any sense to me what was one of the things Giuliani did what was one of those notable things that he did that you saw really made an impact okay so one thing that I found incredible and I had the privilege of being and you may have heard this term compstat meeting no compstat meeting is a meeting where three or four Precinct commanders would be called into a room once a month and they would basically be asked by the chief about crime in their Community they would want to know the chief would want to know okay you had three burglaries uh this month have you solved it why not if you haven't solved it what are you doing to solve it and there was accountability and in that room at the same time was the guy who's in charge of the Narcotics Division for that area and the guy who's in charge of parole for that area and so the chief might say uh to parole let me ask you something did you parole any burglars to this community in the last uh month or two that we should be looking at is that a possibility and uh there would be someone taking notes and a month later when they came back there would be real progress or people would lose their jobs and there was real accountability like like a corporation like you know not like a government like this is the way that government should be run it was really an incredible idea and it worked it worked in an incredible way you're running it like a business like a business you know somebody doesn't do their job they get fired and by people having that hang over their head that if I don't do my job I'm going to get fired it lights a fire under everybody's butts and everybody actually does better I feel like in New York today you feel like if you don't do your job properly you can sue not that you get promoted you get promoted you get promoted A Whole New World and of course we're in healthcare every day we call the standup meetings you have standup meetings you have clinical you have operations morning meetings every facility everybody's there how are the meals doing how are the people treat being treated and everyone's there and each department every Department sitting on a round table ABCs of running an operation sharing information with it's not being done now this kind of statcom these things I I don't know if it's being being done it certainly doesn't appear that it's being done and I'm not even convinced that the goal is to reduce crime I'm not convinced that that's the wow I see that there is an attitude today first of all there's an attitude today that people who are jumping the Turn Style are jumping the Turn Style because they can't afford it and what juliani said and what Bratton said the police commissioner and what these what was what the attitude was back then was people who are committing crimes on the subway are not paying for the privilege of going down there to commit the crimes they're the guys jumping the Turn Style so if we stop guys who would jop at the Turn Style we're going to find them with guns we're going to find them with knives and we're going to stop robberies and what happened they started arresting all the people that were beating the fair and guess what crime went down robberies went down violent crime went down why because the people that were coming onto the subway not because they were going to work but because they were going to cause trouble were not getting on to the subway so the formula is simple but we have this attitude today like I think we misunderstand people's motives we look at everyone that okay they're poor you know they're poor they're put upon maybe there are people who are Bad actors and we've lost vision of that you we can't prosecute people who walk into a CVS and steal right so now in New York City CVSs are closing and there were at there are neighborhoods where they can't get basic items because the CVS is saying I can't do business in this environment risky it's too risky I have friends that work in retail that they tell me that the rule in their chain store is that if someone is stealing you let them go correct you don't go after them it's too dangerous it is dangerous it is it's just interesting you just let them go yeah that makes sense you don't even call the police you just let it go you write it off it's like it's almost like they know it's like jumping the Turn Style right they know they can get away with it which is the mentality that's happening right off what should I feel like you know a lot of my friends have been telling me that they're anxious going into New York City these things now I'm a big fan of Manhattan I love the city I feel like every few blocks is another by the way he travels to New York City on his own which is another story I think it's very strange yes it is odd isn't it a little weird yeah he takes a trip with himself to the city and he takes dinner with himself and then he walks the streets with himself sometimes he'll take his dog with him PJ but for the most part and I always ask him I was said Michael like how do you do that like Love Manhattan there's so much to see there's so many projects going on there's so many markets it's beautiful and it frustrates me that people are you know anxious to go to the city what do I tell them how do I tell them do I tell them to feel comfortable what's your feeling knowing the legal side of what's happening right so well I mean let me ask you this when you're in the city do you have to step over homeless people yes all the time it depends where I am City for the most part but you know I mean you know they're there they're right 100% it's sad but I look away and you see people that are talking to themselves and look unstable wandering around over okay I do and do you do you think that that gives people the feeling of safety no right it's the opposite right so the point is one of giuliani's other big uh ideas was broken windows Theory right if you walk into a neighborhood and you see graffiti all over the place and you see broken windows you're going to say to yourself you know what this is a bad neighborhood it's a red flag it's a red flag right and so and people feel less safe even though maybe they're totally safe but they feel less safe if you walk into man hat and you see that there's homeless people that there's lawlessness that there's people wandering in the middle of street talking to themselves you're going to feel less safe but I'll tell you I have a bigger problem with Manhattan and this is also I mean to me this is just as bad maybe not as dangerous but just as bad uh we have cousins that live in uh Manhattan I try not to go to Manhattan so much but we have cousins live in Manhattan once a year we go there for Thanksgiving okay and we walk back to our car and maybe it's 9:00 at night and the and people have put the garbage out for the next day and the rats are everywhere and I look at this and I say to myself people are paying $20,000 a month or more in rent to live here and this looks like a third world country who would pay for the privilege of living like this so to me that's another problem why does it have to be filthy and before you answer that rhetorical question the bottom line of it is that it's not because it's so densely populate we've we've dealt with these issues before it's never been like this before and so there is a certain level of Decay both in society in general and we could talk about that but in Manhattan in particular and in New York City uh that I think makes people uncomfortable I I definitely understand I just want to say that I'm of course on the other side of your two opinion I love Manhattan and I believe if you go to New York City near Central Park and you close your eyes and you take in a big smell you have a choice you can either smell the garbage the put the person put the night before or you could smell the fresh nuts that are being brewed down the corner you could smell the flowers or you could smell the horse manure it's your you know but you're Miss it's up to you and and I and I get that what he's saying and I think what I'm hearing and I'm agreeing that I'm resonating with what he's saying is you know New York the officials they get away with a lot you know why because it is the greatest city in the world and it's hard to screw up New York it's very hard they're doing a damn good job they're really trying very hard but it is it's it's an unbelievable place I mean you people from all over the world come thousands and thousands of miles to come see New York even for a day or two you know everybody always asks everybody one question have you ever been to New York have ever been to New York right it's an amazing City and it could be so much better it could be so much better but they're just not doing the right things and this is really a sample of what you see all over the country in all the big cities this is the biggest struggle that they have age and they take advantage of the situation because they don't have to try very hard and they can still charge $20,000 or more I like the way you slid that in by the way or more more a month it's ridiculous the prices that are out there you know there's a guy on Tik Tok I don't know if you know he has a channel he goes around asking people uh hey you live in New York how much you pay for rent and she gives him an answer and then says you mind if I see your apartment and he usually people say yeah they know who he is the famous guy so they oh it's your guy from Tik Tok yeah sure let me show you my apartment and you see it's amazing these people live in 4x4s they live in a hole in the wall some of these people have like a closet and in the closet they have like a bed that goes up against the wall they take it down that's so they sleep they sleep there they eat there they go to the bathroom there and he ask them how much you pay oh I'm paying $1,400 a month I'm paying $2,400 a month I'm talking about smaller than this room it's like every square inch is so valuable and in this city we're letting it get worse and worse and worse and this is mediocrity at best we could do so much better and I love the fact that Julie and this is known this is known that when Giuliani and I'm not a big fan of juliani in general but you can't take away from him the credit of what he did in the city at the time he did an amazing job and we need more of these of these big cities to follow suit and what you said accountability when you have accountability people fall in line and when people fall in line everything is better everybody is better for it when people fall in line so I want to ask you a question having said this again what I'm saying is in a perfect world probably never going to happen is there any Merit this is going to be you know might put you off a little bit and I apologize in advance but is there any Merit to saying look guns are dangerous guns are bad they do bad things what do you need a gun for if you if you have a gun you're typically doing something bad with it is there any type of path where perhaps we should limit guns perhaps we should instead of applying our efforts into getting everybody to get their own you know permits they can carry and more people that are carrying the saf true it's very one extreme but other extreme which I don't know if I'm a fan of but I I hear it and there are a lot of people that are voicing this do you see a path where we limit it instead of expanding on it maybe that could be a solution like is there some type of way that can ever work I think it's a great question I think it's a fair question I think it's a great question and I think we'd be remiss if we didn't discuss it so let's discuss it right so they've done this in uh in in in other parts of the world they've done it in England and uh what they found out was people are stabbing each other now so now they want to uh limit pointy knives uh and I'm not joking there's really legislation because because guns don't kill people people correct right so that I mean that's 100% correct right and so people have been killing people since way before the gun was invented okay so now you've got a couple of problems here in this country right because we talked about the constitutional right and so I look at it this way how long have we been fighting this War on Drugs in this country forever forever it's got to be 75 years minimum right and my question is how much have we spent have we spent we we spent billions have we spent trillions I think we spent trillions right and I'm talking about all the people that we throw in and all the law enforcement trillions of dollars okay so are there less drugs today on the street after fighting this war for 75 years than there were 75 years ago give me two minutes I'll be able to find any drug you want that's how rampant it is correct correct so my point to you is we have 300 million guns in the country okay now we're going to now we're going to impose restrictions okay what drugs at least get consumed right if we say okay no more drugs are coming into this country at some point they're going to get consumed guns don't get consumed so now you tell me what happens to the 300 million guns that are already here and who gets them and who's responsible for them and I'll tell you what if you pass a law tomorrow that says you got to turn in your gun I'm turning in my gun he's turning his gun he's turning in his gun but let me ask you a question the guy who just got out of prison that doesn't care about doing any jail time is he turning into his gun so to me these gun control laws select for the people that are willing to follow the law and the people that are not willing to follow the law they're the ones who are going to say you know what I don't care about going to prison I just got out of prison last week I'm not turning my gun that's a great answer you know Peter you literally like answered the question spot on that I I feel like you answered my question like I now I'm now going to be the voice of that ship has sailed we can no longer go in the model of let's try to control it let's limit it nobody should have G because that ship is sailed we're past that you're right there are millions hundreds of millions of ammunition that's already in the streets in the possession of people that shouldn't have them and I'll turn mine in you we're law-abiding citizens for the most part Stephan not so much he's a little more a little more risque but for for most of us the other guys are not turning their their weapons in so fast so right now we have to fight five with fire that's what we're up to it sounds like is that is that what you're saying I don't think you have a choice I I've never heard anyone give me an alternative I'm I'm willing to listen as I said I've been in this business for 33 years I've been on both sides of Law And if someone came to me and said you know what I've got a better mous crap I've got an idea we're gonna we're gonna save lives but everyone's idea always relies on nonsense the fact is show me something that worked show me a place where it works let's let's go with this for a second guys but you know I there's a challenge that exists especially living in New York right where New York and New Jersey are so close to one another and I'd like to ask you from a technical and a legal standpoint what are we to do what what are we supposed to do so we have a concealed carry and I have a store in Queens which this is a true story that happened to someone I know and three people come in and they rob the guy to his face with knives and the guy doesn't know what to do he's scared he has a gun on him but he just doesn't want to take it out at that moment there three on one what's he waiting for well because his life has not been threatened yet there's three guys with knives robbing him yeah yeah yeah he's not taking out his gun because it's scary and he'll tell you the problem in New York with taking out your gun hence the story I'm about to tell you so they ran out quickly and he ran after them and he took out his gun and he said give me my stuff back and get out of here they gave the stuff back they got out of there but you know where they went to the police station the police station and they filed a report and this man was arrested stop it real true story Peter don't tell me you never heard these type of stories before I deal this is I'm on the front lines of this okay this is what I deal with on how are we supposed to deal with this you just convince me you're saying that story is actually viable that can actually happen I'm telling you that it's not only viable it's probable I could predict where that story was going so I have a guy by the way you don't understand this is my this is my dayto day so you know you give me a concealed carry you can go to New York but be careful traveling through New Jersey you can't go to Time Square if you're threatened and you pull it out you're going to get arrested what is happening right right please explain to us so even if you have a gun they're not even letting you use it well it's worse than that right so New York and you know we the term threat to democracy threat to democracy is a term that's thrown around a lot these and and to me there is a big threat to democracy which is that we have these institutions which have stood the test of time and the Supreme Court in 2022 told New York you have to honor people's constitutional right to keep and bear arms you have to give people license to carry guns and you know what New York said oh you're telling us we have to give people a license to carry guns we're going to make it so that they can't carry to any place and we're going to limit where they can carry it so now it's working its way through the courts now and there's lot of litigation and most of what New York pasted has been stayed by different federal judges but in the interim you have New York saying okay you're telling us that we have to give people gun licenses we're telling you're telling us we have to let them carry it and all these various places fine we're going to make sure that if they use it they're never going to see the light of day again and so you have these Bodega owners if you read the New York Post these Bodega owners who are fearing for their lives who are defending them themselves and defending their stores are getting thrown in Riker's Island for for for defending their lives I was on my way to uh I go on a lot of podcasts I don't know why this is my lot you're a podcast junkie I was on my way to a podcast this past Thursday night okay 8 o'clock at night how are we doing so far and I'm having a great time love appreciate that so um it turns out that uh my answering service calls me it's 8:00 at night I have a guy on the phone she tells me that uh he's in he's in lock up in uh the 72nd pre in Brooklyn and uh he discharged his weapon okay so I get him on the phone what happened he got he owns a jewelry store and he had a employee there uh employee has some mental issues but he's with him been with him for a long time they ended up in a dispute the guy picks up a chair and it's on video picks up a chair and lunges at him with the chair over his head and he pulled out a gun and he said I didn't want to shoot guy so I just turned a little bit shot into the refrigerator and you could see it's all on video the the person with the chair over said drops the chair immediately and puts his his hands over his ears so he should be this is a hero I mean he saved his own life and didn't have to take this guy's life so the cops didn't know what to do with New York City and big meeting and supervis and they said look uh you you discharge your weapon we got to we got to arrest now arrest arrest for what he didn't do anything wrong he had a license to carry the gun he he was in a dangerous situation he was in his own store you could even see him at one point when the guy picks up a chair he takes a step back and the guy lunges at him it's so backwards and this was by the way this is not a long time ago this is this past Thursday this was my Thursday night and uh and Friday was spent uh dealing with this guy he was in jail 30 hours awaiting uh seeing a judge an arraignment yeah we saw a judge Friday maybe 6 o' at night and he was released on his own recognizance for 30 hours in jail what's the message right do you want to spend 30 hours in jail do I want to spend 30 hours in jail no by the way there's plenty of people 30 hours in jail 30 hours in jail I could do it on one toe I do 30 hours of jail like you know like that but for a guy like this who applied for his life waited a year to get it went through the background checks and the training put him in jail for 30 hours for what he should get a reward he should get a reward this guy should get a reward and he did everything right and and and in my opinion even more than he did everything right really a hero who thought fast he did everything right he tried to retreat when he could and when he couldn't Retreat he still didn't resort to De let me ask you something this guy that you dealt with Thursday night all of these officials be it the judge that was involved uh be it the police officer that was arresting him all the people that were involved in this do any of them feel good about what has been happening and what they've been a part of does any of them feel are they all oblivious to have the rest of us see the story the public see the story or are there really people involved in is that actually say oh yeah this is the way it should go down yeah this guy discharged his firearm he should actually go to jum for 30 hours is there anybody in the world that's involved and there that would say that it's a good question because if there isn't I'd like to know why is this happening I I I just want to clarify he did take a shot he took a shot into refrigerator no one got hurt no no I get that but I'm saying there are stories that I've confirmed that where people have not taken correct just discharging the weapon gets you arrested New York City right correct that's that's the challenge so people shouldn't think oh he he shot the gun normal it's insan if you just take out your gun you're automatically getting arrested and she has a great question I'd love to hear what you have to say about that but I'm I'm going to give you another example I'm going answer your question with another example okay it's it's such a great question because I just dealt with this today okay this is my everyday okay so I have a guy he two guys in the back of a car they had licenses this is going back now probably six years uh they had licenses from the state of Massachusetts they came to this is before Brewin they came to Manhattan they had the guns with Massachusetts licenses Massachusetts license is not a Texas license very hard to get and they were stopped for for a routine the cops said they passed the red light there were five of them in the car everyone got pulled out everyone got paded down why it was not appropriate so this guy who I'm representing now I did not represent back six years ago I represented the other guy in the back of a car with a gun he was represented by a free attorney and he was a combat veteran he was in Afghanistan he was in the military he's a disabled veteran and when I dealt with this case and remember this was in Manhattan that's my old office my old boss who I was working with on this case he said to me Peter I want you to be ready for what's going to happen Okay this guy's a combat veteran carries a lot of weight around he's going to do a lot better than your client and now going back to before Bruin it was a mandatory minimum of three and a half years in prison if you had an illegal gun and the Massachusetts license didn't count so they're telling these guys you know look take two years in prison for you're going or or we'll send you to prison for five or more maximum of 15 so anyway this guy gets an opportunity the the combat veteran gets an opportunity to plead guilty for probation and he pleads guilty my guy who I have so much respect for because he had such guts to do he said you know what these guys V violating my rights I'm challenging this case and we ended up doing and they threatened him numerous times that you going to be in prison prison and we ended up doing a 5-day suppression here judge Juan Maran you may have heard that name he's been in the news all over uh once or twice and he denied our motion to suppress the Govern unanimously reversed by the Appel division uh and about three years after the arrest my client was exonerated and the indictment was dismissed he violated his right now the combat veteran calls me up and said can you do the same thing for me and and I said I don't know let me try and so today I was dealing with this case because this is still going on we've made a motion to dismiss his indict now the appell Court ruled that the entire car stop was unconstitutional these guys should have never been stopped should have never been searched and now you also have Bruin which says you know look these guys had a constitutional right to have the gun anyway so there's a lot of grounds why and not the guy's done with his probation it's over it's not about that should he be a convicted felon for the rest of his life sure he wants to clean his record he wants to clean his record and so what I'm hearing from the prosecutor's office and we're going to meet with the judge about this is look we agree that his the right thing to do is his indictment should be dismissed we don't see a legal path to do it he already put guilty he didn't challeng this we don't see a legal path and my response was and my response is going to be when we meet with the judge on this next week I didn't go to law school to do the wrong thing because the law mandates it we have to get out of this mindset right and that was a long-winded answer to your question but there were so many people stuck in the Orthodoxy uh the fact that you know purists they're like right it's all about what the law says there's no common sense anymore now at the same time you have to be careful because I am criticizing New York York because I feel New York is not complying with the Bruin decision and we I talk about threat to democracy and I say this is a threat to democracy if you have the highest court in the country the Supreme Court saying this is the law and you say okay we're going to not follow the law then to me that is a threat to democracy okay you have to respect these institutions so the law is important I'm a lawyer I'm not suggesting we should break the law but what I'm saying is we are experienced we are uh knowledgeable and I refuse to believe that the law doesn't make any allowance for a situation like this where everyone in the room the prosecutor defense attorney and the judge agree what the right thing and there but we're going to do the wrong thing because the law because we believe the law says we have to you know you're saying it so well by the I want you to run for office one day and we will support you back here okay you're going to have because you really are making sense that you're not getting stuck in the mud with this is how it has to be this is how it's always been like you're willing to actually open your mind and really break it down and see what's feir what's right what's the really the right thing to do right and you got to protect the law you got there has to be Integrity of course there's always got to be rules but not to the point where it's hurting people it's the the rules are meant to help us if it's hurting us then there's something wrong here with the whole picture but let me tell you something I remember this I saw this clip I'll never forget it and it I saw this clip probably 3 years ago and I still remember till today um I'm a big fan of Tucker Carlson I'm a big fan of his I I like the I like the way he thinks I like his style and I especially like his delivery I like the way he he's good I like the way he gives I like the way he looks at people like he looks at them like you know could you possibly be this stupid exactly he's very quick on his feet very quick on his you cannot debate him so in any case he's interviewing this guy Eric swell who's who's a Democrat I know the guy okay you know I had own personally but I know of him okay yeah so he's interviewing him and they're talking about this very issue about guns the rights to bear arms right Eric swall was telling Tucker like Tucker let's be honest why do you need a gun call the police if there's a problem why do you really need a gun he says I don't understand he says you don't need a gun because you walked into my office today with security guards who are holding guns so you have people to protect you and that's easy for you to tell me not to have guns to protect myself he said I talk your we people are after you and I'm a public figure I need to have people protecting me with guns he said wor you think your life is more important than mine you think you have a more of a right to protect your family more than I have a right to protect mine and you know for a second like Eric looked like wait a second that was probably a bad a bad argument that I made because he's right my life is not any more important than his is right so we should all have the god-given right we should all be able to defend what's most important to us which is our families comes before anybody else it's be killed or kill right we're going to we're going to do what we have to do 100% but I'll say this unfortunately this is the society that we live in and we have to adapt and we got to do things but tell me what are the three states that have the most restrictive gun laws in the country I imagine New York is is in the top three what are the other two I would put New York up there New York is sure up there for sure and I can't say that I know the law so well in other states but I would think that California would be up there I would imagine uh Hawaii Believe It or Not would have to be uh up Hawaii Hawaii I think of Hawaii has this crime in Hawai exactly everybody's at the beach drinking you know drinking daquaries and that's it uh I'm very anti- uh very anti-gun there Massachusetts also M stop right there let's say those three let's say New York California and Massachusetts I imagine that those three states are probably also leading the country in crime I would imagine that they also have the most crimes the most shootings the most murders is there some type of connection there like can we take some type of deduction from that and look at now the three safest cities countries uh states in the country let's look at the three safest states and see what are their gun laws shouldn't that tell us something I think it tells us an awful lot and there's a book out there that's been out there for sometime uh it's called and I think the title is self-explanatory by professor John lot uh more guns less crime and he did a deep dive on statistics about this and he claims exactly that that the more guns the more guns extent extend in an area the more the less crime there's going to be yeah it's basic math think about it if the bad guys already are getting guns they're going to get one regardless because they want to do stuff with it so if you have more good guys who are going to do only good things with guns they're not going to shoot people randomly they're only going to do when they need to then also you're evening out you're leveling the playing field right now so the more guns you have is actually quite better and this was for me that eye opening moment when I decid you know what all of us like you know I thought about God forbid those those Jews know not just Jews it was wasn't even just Jews October 7 there was Jews non-jews there was Arabs there was other nationalities there as well and they were just being mow down one by one they're just being picked off and this is in Israel where they probably have more guns in in Israel than they do in many other countries actually yes no but ownership surprisingly private ownership of Guns is very difficult in depending on where you live in Israel is an unknown thing in Israel this is unknown and and private ownership of long guns is impossible there's no private ownership G are you telling me that Israel has gun control like like like New York style gun control worse worse very difficult but you have to remember the most Israelis serve in the Army so they end up being able to carry uh because most people there are drafted into the army well but that's that that this is a recent change and it was only um up until very recently that first of all being in the Army didn't mean anything you had to be had a by yet to get to a certain rank in the Army now they're lowering their standards because you have a government that's more right-wing and they and they saw what happened so now it's they're opening it up a little bit but it used to be that being in the Army meant nothing because otherwise everyone could have a gun I had the privilege of having lunch with a uh uh police commander in uh Israel a couple years back and uh definitely pre-october 7 and uh you know he was explaining to me how difficult it was this was in PVA in the middle of Israel it wasn't uh you know in the West Bank if you live in uh if you live on the other side of the green line if you live um really on the other side of the green line then you could get you can get guns handguns but uh like those Gaza communities were considered safe they couldn't get guns and there was and there was no civilian ownership of rifles you have people coming with RPGs and AK-47s and you're shooting at them with with with a uh uh your Glock it's not the same thing wow I have I have to ask you a quick question we're gonna have to wrap up soon and I'm having such a great time I I first maybe you'll have me back I was going to say I'm inviting you back already for for another episode because there's so much to talk about from the legal standpoint the technical standpoint which I want to jump into real quick because ushi started asking about different states this applies to all the Jews that live on the east coast we're all friends with people from Lakewood from Muny from the five towns to Brooklyn what happens what are those rules that we need to know can you tell us and just educate us if I'm living in the five burrows and I'm going to visit my friend in Lakewood New Jersey or I'm going to visit my friend in Muny and I have to pass through tenek in order to get to him what are the current laws today what am I allowed to do and is there any way around it is there any way that you can help our listeners figure out ways that I can carry When I visit my uncle in another town even though I'm passing through another state right so this is a this is a great question okay and this is you know this is a whole show this question could take up a whole show but we're not going to do that so we're going to talk very quick uh there is something called that every gun owner should be aware of it was a Reagan creation shows you how old it is it's called the firearm owners protection act and one of the fundamental principles in the firearm owners protection act is that you can drive through a state with a gun from one place where you can legally position possess it to another place you can legally possess it now there's a lot of rules involving this one of them is the gun has to be uh locked unloaded separate from the ammunition in the trunk of the vehicle um you can't make any deviations from your from your trip really uh in other words if you are going from Florida to um to to Vermont where two places where you don't even need a license to possess a gun and you have a handgun and you're not going to stop in New York on that trp right you're not going to stay overnight in a hotel in New York you would maybe stay uh in New Hampshire you would maybe stay uh uh someplace else you're not going to stay in New York and New Jersey you need a handgun license to possess well okay New York you need a handgun license you can't touch a handgun in New York state unless you have a license for that handgun that means you can't go to a gun store you can't shoot at a range unless you have a handgun license uh very strict and it's a very serious felony uh to possess a handgun without a handgun um there's a lot of rules right so what we have in New York is I developed uh it's going back right to around the time of the pandemic we're about four years old a prepaid legal plan for gun owners in New York uh it's called New York taac defense NY nytac defense nytac defense.com and what it is is you pay my firm $32 a month and the principal benefit is that if you're involved in the self-defense incident and this guy who called me last Thursday night he was part of the program so we jumped into action and he's represented for free he's already prepaid uh for $32 a month it's a bargain and uh we will defend you up to quarter of a million dollars of criminal defense representation for free but there's another huge benefit in New York because how many people are going to be involved in self-defense incidents uh the other big benefit is that you have my firm behind and this is what we do and so if you have these kinds of questions if you want to know hey I'm going to my brother-in-law's house what can I do can I carry there I have to drive through Time Square what how much is it a month it starts at $32 a month you have $32 I can get the answer because I have friends who want to visit me from Brooklyn and they're asking me we're coming to New York like a very fair price by the way what they're get great program and I have friends I believe that are part of program corre and good for them because they know now that again they're more confident and especially they're learning all the proper rules of you um and and and I want to just say this very a question though you're asking me from they're coming from Brooklyn let's make a clear yeah exactly someone from Brooklyn is coming to visit me and Muny they're both New York state but they're passing through T neck in order to get here no problem they're allowed to pass through New Jersey they're lowed to pass new can they stop in New Jersey for for lunch so uh no the answer would be no so they can only transport it correct I see so they can't make a stop locked unloaded separate from the ammunition through New Jersey what did you mean by You Me mentioned in there that Florida and in Vermont you don't need a license for a gun what did you mean by that okay in most States now and you know this is a trend so now we've reached the majority I think it's like maybe 27 States right now have what they call constitutional carry if you're an adult male over the age of 21 21 or over then uh you have a constitutional right to carry a gun in public uh without a license you kidding me no what did you know this yeah I did know this I actually took the and by the way did you hear about all the crime that's going on you can get a gun you don't need a license you can walk around with it in Florida you and we're functioning Society believe people are actually getting along so the fact that you didn't hear about it speaks volume it really does because if believe me if it was bad I would have known about it you would have known about it and somebody would have said we got to put we got to Institute licenses right exactly but it's workers you tell me that in literally in Florida I can go to a gun store I'm an adult I can buy a gun you can oh I'm not a state I'm not a resident a resident of Florida correct can buy a gun and carry it around a handgun a handgun a Glock a Glock you're kidding you are kidding me no I'm not so one second are you telling me that New York is a different country than FL how is it possible that in the same country could be such a vast difference you know I've said this uh for years and years the cultural differences between Texas and New York I mean I think that we have more cultural simil similarities with London and New York uh across the Atlantic Ocean than we do do with Texas in what's up with that it's it's it's our system and by the way it's it's on one hand it's a beautiful country and it's beautiful and I love going down South for this reason on the other hand it's unbelievable and we have a lawsuit going on right now against the nyp and we have a uh against their Licensing Division and one of our contentions there's a couple of different aspects of this lawsuit is that they have to by law by the Constitution of the United States accept the gun licenses of other states that basically if you're licensed in New Jersey in Texas in Massachusetts wherever they should be required we're asking a federal judge to order them to accept those licenses they accept the gun licenses I'm sorry the driver's licenses from every other state they do if you're a resident from London and have a London driver's license and you're driving around New York and you show it to a cop you're here on vacation you're not getting a ticket right but a gun license and this is a constitutional right they will not accept I wish you would luck on that lawsuit by the way know how that goes that's amazing and we couldn't agree more I mean if it works in one state it should work in the other states as well we're it's all part of the same country at the end of the day but you know there's there's so many of these types of things that really goes on that makes no sense and you know just it is what it is it's this is the way it's always been done but there are people like you who stand up for people like me and you know thank God that we I was about to say I thank you on behalf of our communities uh for helping us feel safer and uh it's just you know it feels good to have you with us and and educating us but when you're not busy with guns and criminals what do you like to do what do you do typically for what's your hobby outside of what we just talked about today okay so uh I am very involved in community security and synagogue security oh really uh I spent a lot of time on that uh but also I have uh uh a nice family I uh have a new granddaughter who I spend a lot of time and thank you nothing like it huh yeah and so uh you know uh the family keeps me very busy do your grand Carrie yeah yes she's she but she's already been to the Rain she's six months old yeah Peter we have something that we like to do tradition on our noneof your business podcasts before we let you go uh we ask you to think of a guest that would be a select guest that you think would add value to our growth of our podcast which what we're trying to do here in general is grow personally and professionally who do you think would be a good guest that you can ask that's in your Rolodex that you say you know what this would be a good person to go on your podcast Okay so I'll tell you there is a very very interesting guy he's a good friend of mine and I don't want to throw any friends under the bus I don't have his permission to mention his name uh but he is a lawyer in the area uh he was a police officer in California he you may know who this person is as I describe him he's a police officer in California grew up very reform uh he's now SPID and uh he uh does criminal defense and traffic tickets all right Peter that was a great suggestion I want to thank you for coming it was a pleasure for us to have you here and uh really you educated us and I feel like we grew in terms of our knowledge and understanding of how to keep ourselves safer yeah yeah I have one more question I'm sorry Michael please go for I apologize this is a very important question okay this might be the most important question that we've covered till how about you start the question and we end it with the next episode when he's back a cliffhanger exactly yeah we asked the question and then to come back no but this is going to help thousands of people like there goingon to be a lot of people that are going to be dependent on this answer that you're G to give okay it's a lot of pressure you ready for this yes okay given that you've been in the uh court scene for a long time and you understand you know how the nature of things work behind the scenes and all that which TV show is the most accurate depiction of it really goes on what TV show would you recommend somebody watch look no TV show is 100% perfect right but LA and Order Law and Order yeah yeah very depictive of what I used to do for a little so not Boston Legal not Boston okay that's my favorite what about suits what about the show Suits You Know suits so uh I've watched it interesting but everybody wants to be that guy right of course you know but you're asking me about what's reality versus wanting to be that guy and the reality of it is I think La order so la order is actually pretty an accurate depiction of what goes on absolutely wow interesting okay noted all right guys well thanks for joining for another wonderful episode thank you again for Prime sports or sponsoring please don't forget to like comment and subscribe help us grow this podcast to the best that it can be and that's a w