From Broken to Believer: My Journey Home

It says essentially Hamman, this Jewish hater, this anti-semite that wanted to kill us all. Him receiving the ring of power from the king, did more to arouse the Jews than all of the prophets that we had speaking to us from God. >> None of your business, Oshi. None of your business, Michael. It's the None of your business podcast hosted by Michael and Oshi. >> Welcome back everybody to another amazing episode of the None of Your Business Podcast. I'm your host, Michael Greenfield, and with me here this evening is a very special, holy, holy, holy guest. >> It's actually amazing that you're here this evening for so many reasons, but I'm going to jump right into it. Aliyah, >> Eli Nav, it's Moz Shabas. It's Saturday night where Right. >> How often do you record Moses Shabban? >> We've done it once before. >> There you go. >> Yeah, we've done some crazy things to get um you know, [clears throat] guests. We do podcasts with intention just like you make you know, you make your braot with intention. We do podcasts with intention. I feel like, you know, we think about who our guests are going to be. We jump right into it and, you know, we try to be as authentic as possible. Welcome to our studio. Welcome to America, to my >> Thank you. Thank you for hosting us in your house and also here. Thank you. >> I appreciate you being here. Thank you to our subscribers, to our listeners, to the comments, to all the good stuff. As long as we're getting feedback, we're happy, we're fed, we're good. Uh, thank you to the Prime Sports production team, of course, to Steph who's, uh, always ready and available to come out in the middle of the night. >> Thank you, Steph. Thank you to your whole family. >> My pleasure. >> And, um, Eliau, you know, I I didn't know how to pronounce your last name, I'll be honest with you. Is it Prairia? >> Pereira, if you're American. Perira. >> Yeah. >> Praa. >> Yeah, >> like Ferrer chocolate. But >> like Ferrer, but Pereira. >> But Pereira. Okay. Yeah, that's an easy way. Um I'm I'm uh business partners with someone named Helman and someone had to come for an interview and he said just uh ask for Mr. Helman like the mayonnaise. This woman comes in she's like I'm looking for Mr. Mayonnaise. [laughter] I'm like you mean Mr. Helman? >> They call the Chinese telephone. >> Exactly. Exactly. Where's your family from? What's Tell me what the name is first. >> Um so my dad is born in Brazil and [clears throat] our family is from the Spanish Portuguese Jews that were chased out of Spain. So, my family actually tried to play the game a little bit and um stay in the stay in Spain and Portugal and to try to ride it out and eventually they ended up in Brazil and yeah, we made it back. >> Wow. >> Made it back to T to Mit. My dad made a big leap and found out he was Jewish and >> he found out he was Jewish. >> Yeah, my dad. >> How did that happen? um he met someone and thought he spoke Spanish, but really it was Latino. And that led to him finding out that we were from the the Spanish and Portuguese Jews. And essentially that we were convers and my dad moved to Israel and learned Torah [clears throat] and and made a big effort to to raise a house that was connected to to mit. So that's my dad's side. My mom's English, South African, and yeah, I was born in Miami. >> Oh, really? >> Lived in all of those countries and moved to Israel at 17. So, >> one second. So, your father found that he was Jewish when you were born already. >> No, no, no. How old? No, when he was a teenager. >> He was a teenager, right? So, when you were first born, you were where? >> I was born in Miami. >> You're born in Miami. So, take me through your journey real quick. Real quick. From Miami to Tvat. Like, how did that happen? So I didn't, like I said, I grew up living across the world as well. And I ended up high school in Miami, middle school, high school in Miami. And >> I don't understand what all the world means. Where's the old world? >> I lived in South Africa. I lived in the UK. I lived in Brazil. >> And [snorts] back in my then came back to Miami and when I was in high school, it wasn't going well. And I realized I was in hanging around with the wrong crowd and didn't really have much going for me in the US. At what age? >> I knew that from seventh eighth grade. Um, it became abundantly clear in high school. And at 17, after 11th grade, my assistant principal said that I pretty much wasn't welcome back the next year or if I did, I was going to be failing. And there was no way I was going to do two more years of high school. So, and I didn't want to be in the US. So, I told my dad, "Please get me out of here. Let me go back to Brazil or to to the UK. I have family there. I can I'll get by. It's okay. And my dad had never sent me to Israel. Never took me to Israel. So at 17, I got on a plane to your >> You asked for Brazil and he took you to. What am I missing? >> There you go. He didn't even take me. He sent me. >> So he told you to go to >> You missed something. What happened from Brazil toat? >> So no, but the fact that my dad never actually took me to Israel. So it was an opportunity for me to go to Israel. And there was >> So he brought it up. He was like, I want >> it was my dad's idea to go to Israel. I didn't think about Israel. No way. Okay. >> For me, it was not an idea. >> Right. You were your heart was set Brazil, UK. Let me get out of here. Let me go live with my family and chill. >> Yeah. Yeah. And um >> that's what I'm asking. How did Israel come up? >> My dad my dad started doing chuva when before my bar mitzvah. And that changed everything in the house. And as [clears throat] it grew, it it made sense that like you know kids go to yeshiva at 17 18. So, um I think obviously that had a part in it, but the fact that I my dad was in Israel and was in the army and had lived in Israel and the fact that I never went I had already seen the world. It's not like what am I going to go see in the same places that I already have already been there. I already >> Israel I had never I had never gone. I guess that's his train of thought. Yeah. >> Yeah. You're going to Israel >> and everybody knew I wanted to go out. So, it's either I'm going to end up in the army or in the or in yeshiva. I told my dad I want a PTO from the army cuz I happen to be Israeli. My dad's a citizen. So I was born with a passport and everything and and essentially had to draft. But I told my dad I don't want to go to the army and I'm not going to yeshiva. So I just like went to Israel and there was a family my dad had a connection with a family in Zat and their daughter actually ended up in my house in Miami. And I went after a while. I was very out of place in fat. And I liked Israel. It was nice. But I I told my mom, "Yeah, let me I'm coming back after Kaneka." And then I went to Yale and I went into a yeshiva there at 17. And after two days there, I was sold. I was he er said your changed everything for me. >> Can you tell us which place it was? I was in Or it wasn't essentially I mean yeah and it wasn't if you know that area of your it's not exactly what uh you know made me fall in love but but the city the fact that there was again coming from Miami toat the old city ofat it's not like [clears throat] with a family so I was in a crazy culture shock but then to come to your shalim and to see people my age people chilling people bars city. So I was like, "Oh, but with Torah, with Kipot, with tit um I just fell in love and then I made aliyah. I went to the army." >> You ended up going to the army. >> So both the things that I told my dad I'm not going to do, I ended up doing. But on my own initiative, right? >> I don't How was it even possible that you could not go to the army and not go to learn? That's not a Then you're on the run. >> Um >> officially I'm saying, right? >> No, you can make it happen because I didn't I had a ptor from the army. I did have a before I even got on the plane. >> How do how do people get pursive in Miami? I grew up in Miami. I didn't live because I was Israeli. So they I I got a treon to my house in Miami. By the way, if people don't know what's the first uh order of like to show up to the army for their first interview when you're 16, 17. So that was that letter was sent to my house in Miami. So >> what was that like for you? >> Who pays attention to that? I had never been to Israel in my life. I'm not going to your military. I had no no connection besides the fact that I'm a Jew and I prayed three times a day and but Israel like it was it meant nothing to me. My I knew my dad was in the military. He fought in Lebanon but not I'm not going to the army. When I got there I realized if I want to live in Israel that's how I what I'm about to say now is not my current belief and opinion for the masses. Um, but for me it was at 17 if I want to live in Israel and make this my home. So I need to learn the language. I need friends and I need to understand how life goes here. And in Israel everything revolves around the army whether you're connected to it or not. the Israel of business of everything like that especially when I was there in the beginning now now it's becoming less and less with more modernization and corporate and the software companies and things like that but even with that it still is very connected so the connections you make in the army where you ser served in the army says a lot about you sometimes it's a it's that kind of society so I figured if I go to the army there's a ulpan program a Hebrew learning program that you can draft into 3 months 9 to9 nine every single day Hebrew speak your language you came from the country you came from you're getting in trouble um and then [clears throat] go into regular service as a combat soldier I made a group of friends that we still have the same WhatsApp group from 2012 until now talking over a decade of being connected and trying our best to meet up and weddings and and I speak Hebrew very Oh, so I accomplished everything I set out to to get and for me it was a very important thing and a very important step of changing my life completely of growing up compared to all of that in the lap of luxury no matter what level of uh you know money we had in our family in different times going to the military breaks you as a person in a good way uh hopefully and it did it changed a lot for me but it also took me away from Torah um and took me completely like not in my mind. I always believed in Hashem and I was always connected but I stopped keeping Shabbat in the army and I started going out partying more and connecting with different friends and moving away from even though I always had this inner connection and I put on and if you know learn I learned Torah here and there I went to but I never had a problem with Torah. I just I couldn't keep up with it and only after the army when I had a desire to start my life and get married and settle down. So in my head there was always this I always knew it even when I was breaking Shabbat I always knew like my house is going to be a kosher house. No questions about it. I know how to keep Shabbat. I know what Shabbat is. I know what fil is. I know what the Jewish values are. I know all of that. There's no way I'm getting married to a non-Jew. There's no way I'm getting married without me keeping Torah to the best of my ability. Whatever I knew that to be as a public school kid in, you know, in in South Florida, but I knew whatever it was on whatever level, it was it was a necessity in my life. And that essentially led me back when I I wanted to get married. I moved to Miami. Then I met uh Gdalia Fster and flew back to went back to yeshiva started life all over again. Got married in now I live in. >> Wow. >> That's in uh in one. >> Yeah. You know. >> Yeah. I mean there's so much I want to unravel there to be honest with you. >> You go. Feel free. [laughter] >> Um I'm just thinking first of all I I want to make a with you. >> Let's do it. Let's do it. to the fact that you said publicly um the following which is if you're somebody that you're not right now sham Shabbat you're not right now keeping kosher and you know it's going to happen one day and it's in your heart and it's it's in your path it's in your journey like you see it it's your destination where you're heading towards but it's difficult for you now it's just challenging it's um to >> [snorts] >> to understanding that that challenge that many people have and uh it's just the way of life and to me what I say to that is to you >> that's it that's that's what I'm trying to say so I'm going to pour you some wine here this is your wine >> this is >> that you're representing >> can you give us the 30 second um history of this bottle of what we're doing here and >> this is a 2020 >> what you are doing in America now >> Savon okay >> fromat Essentially, we we a bunch of friends that together we've been All right, let's do this. Ready? In three. Elohim. >> Amen. >> Amen. That was for you. [laughter] By the way, people out there, if you ever hear a braha recorded, it's not live. Even if it is live, if it's streaming, don't say I'm in. >> Really >> not allowed to. >> Whoa. >> Correct. Correct. >> Really? Okay. >> If you're on the phone, that's one thing. WhatsApp's already a question. [laughter] >> Okay. What do you mean WhatsApp if someone voice notes you? What do you mean? >> Because WhatsApp is essentially streaming and it's delayed. >> Okay. >> So, you're hearing a recording. You're not actually hearing the word. Uh, so when is it okay to say I'm in? When it's >> if you're on a phone. >> Yeah. >> A regular phone call. >> Okay. >> That's actually the person's voice at real time. >> Okay. So that's the only time you're like >> when you when you're hearing it. >> You're talking this you're saying you're talking about this is like >> more modern because of the microphones and but modern post game that I've ruled on this a recording a tape. Even back in the times of tapes they had this as well. What happens if you say amen? So the lightning going to come strike saying like what's no I'm saying what what's the >> it's technically a ver >> really saying the the >> amen is a holy word like a braha just like you're not allowed to make a braha when you're not meant to or make the wrong so you're not allowed to say amen at the improper time very crazy things are written in the gumar about saying amen in the wrong place but this is not an thing I was just a disclaimer I deal with it a lot with videos people >> but I know I just I like to mention it here and there >> please I like learning There you go. >> This is something new to me. Um you as well. >> Yeah. I I never knew this. >> Uh it's listen >> meaning again two people are talking and having you can yeah you say amen. But when it comes to brahas >> so amen is essentially part of the braha. And if it's it's what's called amen to >> an an orphan amen. It has no reason to be said. And amen is a holy thing. There's many deeper secrets behind the word amen. And uh the whole idea like we're talking about brahas it's it's not it's not a simple thing if there's a I can show you afterwards remind me I'll show you on my phone but the cababalist have just one it's called the the liturgy of the blessing right how you how it's made up it's pages and pages of intentions and hem's names and different everything that's going on every time you make a braha you're changing the whole entire world. So anytime those words come out of your mouth, you're evoking and bringing into the world a lot of energy that needs to come down in the right place. And the amen is the seal on that. So to throw out an amen not for a good reason is not again no one you're not evil for doing it. It's not, you know, but >> right, you know, I I learned that people who live in Spat are living in a different hemisphere and this is proof of that. And it's not it's it's a compliment to you. And um I almost want to say that like, you know, I think that you're allowed to be jealous of someone when they're living in Israel. It's one of those things, right? >> You should be. >> I should be, right? You're going to stick it in my face. So I am jealous of >> Kinatim. meaning like you're an aspiration looking >> jealousy of like >> you know >> it's a good thing not >> no no 100% when I'm hanging out invat and I'm with my good friend Rev AI wineot >> yes >> if a cockroach walks by he tells me what the purpose of it being here on this day and this time and the moon is >> he's able to do that >> and it's just unbelievable it's just an unbelievable uh way of life you're exercising your mind constantly and it's really really cool actually to see and I appreciate that >> in our city we don't have the ability to to avoid noticing and paying attention to even here honestly a lot of things even now just in your house >> is divine providence the fact that Hashem shows up God shows up in your life and you're able to connect the dots and to see the hand of God in the small details of your everyday life that's uh the vashtov was revolutionary in this idea there's ways that you And you see in the Rambam that only sadikim live with full only fully righteous people live with complete complete divine providence. And the BMPto once took his students. Balento is the founder of theidic movement and he took his students once into the forest and he made them look at a tree and then from a tree fell a leaf. The leaf is twirling down and down and down and down and the leaf lands and they're like, "What do you want to see here? What's the lesson, Rebe?" He said, "Go to the leaf. Go figure out what the lesson is." They go, they look at the leaf. They lift up the leaf and they see a bug underneath that was underneath the sun. No shade. And now putem God put shade on that on that one little bug. Meaning that even a bug and a leaf is divine providence. Even more so a human being >> in spat. We can't avoid it though because it happens so intensely. It does happen very very very intensely >> for good and bad, you know. No, it's good. You can't run away. I I was laughing a second ago because on the way here uh we were talking about the fact that you had a podcast >> and uh what was the name of the podcast? >> Twoids in a pod. Like two P's in a pod, but twoids in a pod. [laughter] >> Good old days. >> How many episodes uh did you have? >> 40 plus. 40 something. >> 40 plus. Yeah. And uh that's by the congratulations to you. Most people don't make it past 10. I'm saying like so that's >> it's not easy. >> Yeah. You know that it's not easy. >> It was corona time though. We had nothing to do. Um and your podcast was mainly about what >> it was about Torah andic principles but given over in not [clears throat] even this format. We had we sat at a table we had a like a for bringing like aidic get together just speaking from the heart and we tried to give over different principles and snippets and insights into how to baluically inspired Jews are young Jews are living and and how we see the world. >> So uh let's tap into that for a minute if you don't mind. You know we have the candle, we have the wine. >> I don't have the round table to sit with you. >> This table is cooler. It's a guitar table. It's It's a very cool table. >> But I I do want to get into that in a minute because what what I was saying a minute ago is I have a lot of divorce friends and a lot of them have a challenging time with Shabbat. And uh we talk about it all the time and it's difficult when you don't have responsibilities other than yourself and you're alone for so many reasons. >> Yeah. That's why I stopped giving Shabbat as well. >> Yeah. >> In the army that was pretty much what it was. 21 days on base and you get out for two days, all the Americans are out partying and you're keeping Shabbat at home. It's not easy. >> Can you take us back to that for a minute? Like I'm just curious if you don't mind. Like >> I'm fascinated by this topic in general because of the way you put it and that's what I was uh saying before earlier to you to you and I I really if I could spend the entire time talking about this I would. [laughter] >> Um take you back to it. >> Yeah. Oh, just the understanding if you don't mind me saying >> an 18-year-old kid that Okay. Um I'm I'm assuming that the Jews that are watching this most likely grew up keeping Shabbat for the most part. Um but I didn't fully. And even when I did, it was half. And then I went back to a public school the day after, right? and and if I could sneak my phone or my Xbox on Shabbat, I was I was doing it. >> I just I just want to go back to the first time when it happened even like Yeah. >> No. So So So I'm saying no. I'm saying in my own personal life, Shabbat never was exactly what it was for you growing up. >> It never I never had like I understood that there were things you're not allowed to do, >> but practically speaking, I wasn't there and my family wasn't there. >> Got it. >> So, but I did know I knew outright. Okay. whatever a kid can know of Shabbat. Right. >> Right. >> You know, electricity is forbidden. You know that. You know, you can't get in a car. There's things that you know. >> When I got into the army, now I'm 18, 19, 20, and [clears throat] I'm all day long on base with people that are don't think like me, don't even I barely speak the language. And I'm not exactly with like my boys, my friends, people that I get along with and have the similar interest in. We're happen to be in fighting together. And we have to love each other. We have to get along. And when I get off base, so when I live when I lived in your and this is more relevant to everybody, when you live in a community that has Shabbat, that you have the ability to go to meals if you're single, divorced, single, same thing, right? You have the ability to go to a to a meal. You have the ability to you have a sh you have a sh that you have some sense of community that you have who to keep Shabbat with. People forget this. We're a tribal people before we're a nation. We're we're a family. Grandfather, son, grandson, tribes, then a nation. And the tribal aspect never really left us. Exile has clouded it up. come to you feel you're back in a tribe again, right? [laughter] It's a little bit different. So when you have that, so then yeah, you can struggle with Shabbat, but it's still at least you have the structure, you have the infrastructure there for you to keep the Shabbat, to to tap in as much as you can. In the middle of my army service, quite early actually, I moved to Ranana. And in Hanana, I wasn't uh in even a religious part of Ranana. I was in like an older no life, no nothing, no Shabbat, no. And there was a bus to Tel Aviv [snorts] that there was. And to get off to know that for the next 48 hours I have to sit in my apartment by myself and eat crackers and kala and tuna. I I get disgusted that I buy it on base to to eat it now as my Shabbat meal. It's not Shabbat. So, is that right? No, it's not right. But really, I remember those that thought process back then. This is very dangerous, but I'm being real again and I'm talking about it that right now as a kid, I I need I need social life. I personally am a very strong person. I can understand completely how a person could fall into depression and not pick themsel up from that. like I was a kid that didn't want to be in America because I saw how it was going. So there I didn't want to go crazy. So I stopped keeping Shabbat. That's what it was back then really. If I do not hang out with friends, if I don't get life every 25 days, 21 days, 16 days, and I get off base, if I don't go out, I'm not going to be me. I'm It's not going to last. Forget Shabbat as a human. I'm not going to have life. And uh now looking back I could say the right thing to do was to move back to move to a to move to a place where I had and I would have now if I had to go to the army I would be moesh on that. I would I would give my life to not give up on Shabbat for what I know for Shabbat means to me now. Not a day in my life would not no money in the world could make me break Shabbat. Nothing in the world besides a human life would make me break Shabbat and buying a house in Israel from a nonjew. That too. It's allowed on Shabbat. >> What are you talking about? >> Get out of here. >> If a a non-Jew owns property in Israel and you have the ability to buy it on Shabbat, you do everything needed including talking to banks, wire transfer, writing, check, every single thing, driving, anything you need to do. >> Wow. And you know that exists now in Israel from uh Arabs that own houses there. >> Too many of them. [laughter] >> I'd love to get into that too in a minute. But um >> you just you had a whole podcast with the >> Exactly. with the Shabbat thing. Now the reason why I was I wanted to talk about that also is because you mentioned that you had a podcast of twoas in a pod and it was deep >> and that's what I was saying like you know so if you want to connect the dots for a second if you don't mind >> then [clears throat] we'll get back to the wine. >> We forgot. Yeah. Just want to connect uh I'm good with jumping back and forth by the way. >> What does Trump call it? Weaving. [laughter] Weaving. >> I have no idea. Um just uh connecting the dots there. So, if you were doing your own podcast and you're looking back at that journey of uh not keeping Shabbat and keeping Shabbat and knowing and and and I brought up this topic uh specifically because people who uh put on fill in on people, they stop people on the street, put you put on fill in or come from your Shabbat or put on a keep on this and that. I'm always curious about the people that are not observant. Do they get annoyed by it? Is it annoying? Is it something that you want us to do? Do you want us to draw to to draw you back into shab Shabbat or do you want us to bring you back to kosher or to fill in or come and join a minan or come learn a little bit? Um I was never had I never had the opportunity to ask anyone this question and I'm asking it to you and I want you to put yourself in the mode of the podcast and talk about this topic for a minute if you can. If you ask me as a person that was not religious, do I want that that that ali that was in the army that was in keeping but knew what it was? Yes. Every kabadnik, every person that invited me to a min and any that showed up to my base was literally like [clears throat and sighs] the best fresh of breath air. It was like like imagine a fish lived out of water and that mitzvah was like being thrown into the ocean for a second for however long it lasted. I remember being on base and a rabbi showing up. I run out of bed. I didn't care how tired I was. I didn't I'm going to hear Torah. I remember that. So on the side of the brother theim that go around and and bringing people closer and doing and pushing people to connect if it's done with and it's done with the right way 100%. Obviously everybody human beings can be annoying, right? Then [clears throat] but yes, as a there's definitely people again there's a non there's a a person that could be Jewish that never had a connection and he doesn't know anything. There's a person that's never never been religious but he has a bad taste for religion. There's a person like me that I was never religious growing up until 11 12 right but I loved I went to shul I went to Roshana I went to Yungur orthodox and and Shabbat we did kush and but I wasn't religious so you're going to ask me of course I put on where is where there's a right so I can't answer for everybody but me personally yes every single person like that was a was a a beautiful gift from from Hashem. Now with what I know, dealing with people and essentially trying to help people and Jews specifically come closer to Hashem every day. That's my it's what my life surrounds. I think that Mishbatim, we just had not to time this podcast, right? >> Don't worry, it's not going to sit since uh more than uh By the way, living I recorded in September. I said a Torah by he put it out. >> Wow. >> Wow. Okay. >> So on and says that >> so by the way Steph in one year [clears throat] let's [laughter] >> please it says these are the laws that you should place in front of them. Says these are the laws you should place in front of them. Sometimes when you make a and he's a bouva himself as well says that sometimes all you have to do is put something in front of a person. Sometimes you all you have to do is just you know give them a book send them a link. No, you don't have to force them and and I believe in that unless a person is asking. If a person's asking, me personally with a gauge, but if they're already asking, put go. But if they're not asking and you're trying to get them in, so then you have to be very wise about it. And I think that the best way is by living that example, making Torah cool. That's the thing for me too in Shabbat. Why didn't I keep Shabbat? And I think that's why a lot of people struggle with Shabbat. If your approach to Torah is always reward and punishment and you're going to go to G if you do this wrong on Shabbat and you're going to go to if you do this right on Shabbat and it's all about what am I going to get out of Shabbat. So you don't really have Shabbat. You have a very shallow level of Shabbat. But it's not the relationship Shabbat that me personally that I have right now. I'm not saying this God forbid from ego. It's a gift that Hashem opened my eyes to deeper Toras and a deeper way of living. But that level of relationship, that's why I said I'm not willing to give up on it. Not for any money in the world, not anything. Because it's not about do the wrong action, do the right action. My Shabbat is it's a 25-hour meditation that I not willing to give up on. And it's everything everything's in there. All of life comes alive comes alive on Shabbat. So, do I want everybody to keep Shabbat? Yeah. But I don't think that it's like to invite a person to Shabbat is very important to give them exposure to make them feel welcome and Rabbi Ali Deutsch is one of a big influence on me. My Rebi for many many years helped me lives in the old city in Jerusalem. And at his table in Shabbat he always would have from seminary girls, yeshiva boys, birthriters, the whole world at his table. It's the old city in the Roa, right? So I went there a lot and usually was further along the line religiosity and spirituality than the majority of the table and uh bula learning Torah and everything and he always used to tell me don't speak at my table don't bring up at my table and it would drive me crazy as a boua you know learning and like you're and you're changing everything and you know how important is it would drive me crazy that he would tell me like my Rav is telling me on my table not to speak alah now on my table same rule pretty much not exactly but the same the same energy the same vibe why a fresh bouva the thing he needs right now is not a he does need to learn it what he needs more than anything is the fact that Hashem is everywhere what is Hashem how to talk to Hashem how to bring Hashem into your life how to make everything have meaning how to that's the most important thing and if you do it right then they're going to realize they need and they're going to realize they want to learn right but first build the relationship before the law book >> yeah you live now invat of course >> so your shabbasim are very holy it must be uh >> you've been there >> very very cool I'm saying yeah I've been only for once you know I'm saying it's uh it must be an ongoing thing it's not just a one time thing >> um you have any cool traditions that you for Chabas. Just curious before I get back to the wine thing. >> So, um, tradition personally in my house. >> Yeah, >> in my house, uh, I personally wear a jalabia. >> Who? >> Uh, I think you >> Oh, the whole white robe thing. >> I think you even wore them. >> Oh, yeah. I put it on. I tried. It fit on one foot. [laughter] >> Some of you wore them. I don't know if everybody did, but uh >> Why do you wear that? What's that? What's >> beadri classic uh I don't know it's the the Moroccan it's I I just I've always been me personally I have from from when I'm a child very connected to Moroccans I'm I'm sparty I don't look it but [clears throat] within the sparty world I'm Spanish Portuguese which this the the nusak the the adah the tradition is not so alive and my personal closest attachment is to the Moroccan brothers that we have and their tradition, their tadikim and their songs and and uh also the dress kind of stuck on. So in Shabbat I have my I have my Moroccan dress and and what what other traditions do we have? >> Michael, you remember that uh Yasi Green also from that uh couple that he met on the plane were Moroccan and he also they also put on those uh Yeah. Yeah. I listen I don't know for me I I have a rebi that's a big sadik and being by him is super special in Shabbat and sudashi sheet for me is a huge thing for me personally sudashit the third meal of Shabbat is the highlight of my week it's the most important time of my whole entire week and I I very rarely um am willing to give up on it >> really I don't mean to make this about me >> uh in terms of this conversation and maybe most of our listeners don't even care about sudachit but uh shall right um I sleep through shalash so maybe you can tell me I'm cur I'm willing to learn and I'm I'm open >> no for sure especially in Shabbat when we come we come into Shabbat from the six days of the week six days of the week is this world Shabbat is the world to come so the nighttime the cabalist explain it as the energy of bina essentially is all of our passion and our yearning and All right. Our drive for for holiness that's on Friday night we sing kabalachabat and kush and the meal is filled with song and all that connection. Why? Cuz we're this is how I understand. This is how I explain it after my learning in these types of teachings that we're essentially fighting to come out of the week into Shabbat. That's why that fire bina is connected to the fire as well. The passion that's aroused on on the night. The morning is more connected they say to toma which is more relaxed be giving in to hem nullifying morning wake up this long davening sitting you know you just you're giving in you have to be there you're there obviously there's a more beautiful side to it as well when you get to sudashid it's everything together it's the fire the singing the passion and also it's the end of Shabbat you're tired you've already eaten but here you are forcing yourself again to do it. Be to Hashem. You're giving in to Hashem. You're keeping a mitzvah. You're giving on to Shabbat. And the song and the Torah that comes down at that moment, it's the it's the highest level that you can reach in the whole entire week. It's called the will of wills in the Zora. And I I don't know how to explain and put it into words, but I've seen countless miracles and I've had countless deep experiences and heartopening crying sessions and complete attachment to whatever level I can reach to Hashem and the most frequent time when it happens is sudashid. So >> wow. Um yeah it's sudashi is a integral part of my life of >> yeah I get I know it's maybe not so >> I also know most people don't live in spat and have what we have there so I can understand but today I have to say here >> in Pomona I had a very beautiful it was nice it was >> I I'm I'm sure that my shul has a beautiful and um it's just too too challenging for me I am tired at the end of >> yeah I feel you >> like you said but What you're saying is and something that I learned recently about loving God is that there's a one side of it which is loving God and the other side to balance it is being in awe of God, the era of God. >> It's both, right? >> And that and that's true love, right? If you if you're with your wife, you only keep the the wedding contract. It's not really the best marriage, but >> Right. So, you got meaning you got to suffer. You're saying [laughter] >> no no no that's that the the wedding contract is the the you know just the what I have to do what I committed to but we have above and beyond >> the reason why I'm the reason why I'm saying it is because you specifically said that it's difficult for you and yet you're doing it anyways. So I'm I'm trying to accept that and saying even if it might be difficult for me it's part of growing in my connection to God is doing something that's not so easy for me. >> Yeah. You know, so because someone asked me over a year ago, um his name is Dubbie and uh he's an awesome dude and we were smoozing about loving God and serving God. And he said, "Why do you keep kosher?" I said, "Cuz I love kosher. Why do you keep Shabbat?" "Cuz I love Shabbat." And every single question he was asking me cuz I love it. I love it. I love it. And then we both realized that I don't do anything out of era. I don't do anything out of awe of God. I do everything out of love. So therefore, I had a difficult a difficult time with praying and uh with is another that everything comes down to but that's so my sudashid is is essentially a very powerful tila for me is meditation and it's a connection to hashem you can talk and you can and that time is the sweetest time to go into it but yeah I also in there's the side of showing up three times a day and and [snorts] standing there for an hour and going through a 100 pages and >> and also we don't get taught as kids that it's a meditation time to connect to God. We're taught that if you don't say these words exactly, you know, we had someone Mo Rabi on the podcast um um last I think last time we're going to probably do this episode after and uh he was talking about changing the sitter and that got a lot of attention. There are people that are that have commented that they're working on and they have already sided that can you can teach young uh boys and girls the true meaning and the value of the words while you're saying it. So kudos to Mo for bringing that up and uh >> very important. Very important. >> I have to share this with you because um it happened by ECAP, right? Speaking of Morocco. So uh many people did not go to ECAP and they went to Morocco because laser shiner made a wedding. ECAP is a nursing home trade show that happens once a year. It's more like a conference. It's a high level conference with bankers and owners and service providers, vendors. They all get together and it's very very high level. Uh you know the cost of it is high but uh the return of it is also high like everything else in life. I hope. >> So, I'm walking around uh ECAP and uh you know, I keep getting like pats on the back and you know, every two feet like, "Oh, I heard the Moabi podcast, loved it." You know, I heard the Shimmy J podcast, loved it. Shimmy J Mo cuz Shimmy J came on and he recommended Moab and then Morabi came on and I'm talking to a group of like 10 people and we're all talking about the podcast, but I'm like, "Guys, you know what's interesting? I had a spy that got arrested and served in prison his pretty much his whole life. I had a United Airlines pilot who dropped the first bomb pretty much on Afghanistan. I've had so many interesting people. All you guys care about is Mo Robbie. I'm like, "Wow." You know, like Shimmy Jay, like that's who they care. And I'm like, but but what really happened and transformed for this podcast specifically from that conversation actually to be honest with you is that people liked the depth and the authenticity of a real raw conversation that goes in a direction that they would talk about if they were sitting right here, you know? And uh I almost wish I had more cheers and more cameras and lights and so to to have people enjoy a conversation. And many times I'm in a conversation and people will be like this is a podcast. This is a I'm like I guess my whole life I've been living a podcast. But uh it was just interesting. But Mo also brought something up that I want to ask you about. And uh he was talking about the whole movement of uh thank you Hashem and those type of things. And you mentioned the bal >> by the way started in spot. >> What's that? >> By the way started in spot. >> What started in spot? >> Thank you Hashem. really >> their inspiration was from Thank You Hashem of Tat. Yeah. >> Tell me about it. >> It's a two friends of mine that started Thank You Hashem with little, you know, the Liv Strong bracelets and it was Thank you with a U, Hashem. And uh >> who were these guys? >> Uh Moshid Klein and uh and Gabriel to >> Why did they start it? >> They're in love with Hashem. They wanted to spread. >> So they made bracelets. >> Yeah. And it uh you can't call >> how long it goes >> ownership on thank you Hashem [laughter] if anybody gets it it's not so so they they said go ahead do your thing in New York and it became this beautiful thing but go ahead I'm just >> No no no I want to hear that. What do you mean go ahead and do someone met them and said something? >> Yeah those it spread and then they turned it into what it is now. Someone saw it in spat. You're saying you're saying >> a lot of things start invad and doesn't get the credit. That's why I felt the need to, you know, just because that's why I I personally feel that if more people understood how many things came out of that changed the whole entire Jewish face of the world, >> more people would come to and try to find that that spark themselves from someat wine. [laughter] >> You know what? Let's jump right into that first. Then tell me about theat wine. I'll go back to thank you in a second. >> So this wine In short, we make very good wine, spirits, whiskey, arak, gin, so on and so forth. And right now, we have a desire to expand the production and to take a lease on a vineyard to take actually to have many wine is made a lot of wine is made in Israel by wineries that don't actually have land. you buy grapes and you have the machines and you're a winery essentially, but you don't have a vineyard. So, we have the aspiration to get involved in those mit and to get our hands involved in and in order to crowdfund without just pure give us money so we can follow our dream. We came up with a beautiful plan that people can buy in as a partner in the winery and they're joining essentially like a wine club and you have from the bait and from the rabbitical court of law you have a certificate giving you recognition of balut of ownership on on land in Israel which then activates all of the ability to get the commandments that you can only do by way of agriculture in in the land of Israel. because you're a partner in the production and throughout the year you're going to get high-end wine sent to you straight to your door. >> Wow. >> So, without getting into too much of the details, that's the concept and there's uh two price levels to get involved in and order and you people can order regularly, right? But >> I'm sorry. I hate >> that's why we're we're here right now to to promote this idea. >> Okay. And I hate to do this to you, but I have to ask you. I want to get into the details because this is something that um I've thought about for quite some time and people who I'm friends with also have thought about it. >> So I'm curious because people talk about it not so much from the making money perspective but from the mitzvah of owning a piece of land in Israel. >> Very rare. >> A and B if I'm paying money I'm getting wine from out of it also and I actually own the land I'm intrigued. So tell me where do I sign? How much does it cost? Get into the details with me. So if a person wants to learn more about it, you can check out our website. >> No, no, no. Right now >> I'm I'm going to say more, but in general, it's distillery.com or shat.com. >> By the way, two of the most challenging words to spell. I mean, really. >> Well, it's going to be linked under. Don't worry, I'll comment below everything you need. >> You know that spot on ways is spelled safed >> a million different ways. Safed zead with with a z with a >> Okay, I have to I have to help you with coming up with a new name of the website. Go ahead. >> [clears throat] >> But um so to get into the details, there are over 20 mitzvot commandments in the Torah that are directly connected to agriculture and are only relevant to the agriculture of the land of Israel. >> 20 around you're saying it's a lot. I thought >> breaking down it actually becomes minimum >> examples. >> For example, when you plant a new tree, you're not allowed to eat from it for 3 years. A fruit tree. On the fourth year, you have a commandment to bring the first fruit to the temple in Jerusalem or to nowadays we don't have the temple. We sanctify it and we don't use it. Um [clears throat] there is the sabbatical year of resting the land which is a ginormous mitzvah which are essentially whole entire life surrounds. We don't we're not so conscious of it because again we're in exile but it is real and there are people that still keep it >> and in Israel it's pretty real. >> Correct. Very real. In Israel it's real. Right. I'm just um for the broader Jewish people that we grew up here, >> right? We don't feel it at all. It's interesting. >> Correct. But um and when you get into agriculture in Israel, it's very felt. The sixth, seventh, eighth year are it's life-changing times for them. And all of these mitzvot again, even as an is person that lives in Israel, I don't do them. If I don't do them, I'm not involved in them. Okay. If I buy fruits from an Arab, I have to do that. But uh if I go to the supermarket or if I go to my local groceryer, it's already done for me. So how much am I really doing it? I'm not. Most Israelis are not. If you're a farmer, you are. Or if you have a garden in your house, maybe you're involved in it, right? You have some trees in your backyard, maybe you're getting to. So it's an amazing thing that the Torah has so much to say about. For example, in the midash of asked the question, why did Mashenu want to go into the land of Israel so badly? He prayed 515 prayers just to go inside the land of Israel. And he asked the question, does Mosherenu need its fruit? So as Jews, right, we answer every question with questions. So there's a few questions you can ask on this question. Why does the word need and not want? And why would this rav from the times of the have a question on Moshenu? What do you need to eat the fruit in the land of Israel? That's the thing that Mosher Rabenu needs to eat fruit. >> It's a question, right? Valid question. >> Good question. So the teaching is that Mosher Rabenu really the depth that Mosher Rabenu had the highest level of of awe possible. So does he need fruit of the land of Israel? Moshe needs more awe. But what does that say about the fruit of the land of Israel? That it gives you awe of God. It gives you. So the question was does Mosheu need the fruit of Israel that he needs to go inside of the land of Israel? He needs more that he has to go bad so bad. And he already spoke to God face to face. What more does he need? That means for all of us, the fruit of the land of Israel has the ability to give a person has the ability to open a person's eyes up like, "Yeah, God is present here. If it doesn't rain, we're in a big problem." And the farmers now in Israel that are literally going a year without doing any business year plus. It's not just Shmita one year. You have to prepare for shmita. You have to revive from the shmita. These people are are going out on a limb purely for God. >> When is it happening again? The >> the next shmita is in three years. >> In three years. So >> in the fourth year right now, >> right? Okay. >> So there's many of these mitzvot that again people can't do. So to join a wine club, to support a winery, to grow as their business, it's cute. It's nice. But we saw an amazing opportunity here. Thank God that even a lease is considered ownership. So by leasing land, you have access now to mitzvah that who knows in life when you could ever >> You're clarifying a little bit for me. So you own the property or you're >> we're also leasing. >> You're also leasing it. Okay. And that is >> that's ownership. When I own when I lease an apartment, I'm responsible for everything in there. >> Uh 5 years for now. >> Five years at a time. For now. For now. >> I see. Why not buy property? >> Is that the show? >> You're looking. >> Yeah. You would want to buy a property. >> Yeah. The goal is but better than you do what you can for now. >> Okay. When you buy a property, come back to me. I I'll I'll invest in this opportunity. I don't believe in the whole leasing idea because leasing is now for 5 years. Like, thank you. I want to own property. >> No, but help us get there. There you go. >> Okay. So, let's go. [laughter] I'm ready to do a road trip with you and find the right property for sale. >> Because the idea makes a lot of sense. If you're if I'm owning a piece of the vineyard and it's mine forever and then I'm getting bottles of wine in return because of my investment, right? By the way, according to the calendar, like we talked about, either way, in the land of Israel, you never lo own everything. >> Mhm. >> Every few years, all ownership gets recycled. >> What do you mean? >> That's how it that's how it was in >> Oh, it's how it was then. You're saying >> according to according to the Torah. Oh, you're talking about YOLO. >> And a Jew never can have full ownership over the land of Israel. >> I see. >> For forever, you're going to you have full ownership for a certain period. And a certain period Because I know this cuz in Jerusalem in New where they have properties that you buy, right? I remember when I, you know, back, you know, um I was excited that I was getting someplace that wasn't a lease cuz a lot of places in in Jerusalem is a 99-year lease. >> Exactly. But that's Yes. >> And that's a real thing, by the way. You're buying property as a lease. Like I don't know. >> Crazy. >> So um that's what got me concerned about. So anyways, but in this case, you're getting the um you know, stamp. >> You're getting the mitzvah. You're getting good as I'm paying it. I'm getting the mitzvah. That's really the bottom. >> Correct. And twice a year you're getting wine sent to your door. >> So, how much is it costing me uh a month? >> There's a more symbol uh we're doing it annually. There's a more symbolic plan which is $1,800. And you're still getting wine and everything. >> And then there's >> How many bottles of wine am I getting for $1,800? >> Around 20. And it goes up every year. It goes up every year. And then there's a $4,800 plan. And there you're getting you can start a seller. You can you can private label can store in our >> I'm not I don't have a seller. the whole world. Um, but I have $1,800 to invest in a mitzvah. >> There you go. >> So, I'm in. >> So, what happens now? I want to have Do I get a lease contract? I get a contract. >> You're going to get you're going to get a tuda from the Bin. >> Okay. So, the bet invat. Yeah. >> So, they're going to assure to me. >> Okay. They're going to assure me that this property is is keeping all of the Yeah. >> Which means that you own the lease and you can subleasase it to others, right, in your contract, >> right? Right. I hope so. If not, my attorney is going to have a problem. >> So good. [laughter] >> Okay. No. >> And and that and then Yeah. You get the miso. We're going to get your address. Send you some wine. >> Your wine is absolutely delicious. >> How much is this bottle that we're having now? This this >> I don't know. Guess. Is it a $40 bottle or $100 bottle? >> I think 90. >> 90. Okay. It does taste like a $90 bottle >> now that I know it's $90. 2020 [laughter] time. >> On one of the first episodes we had, I was taking wine and someone told me that if you swirl it in your mouth, you get the feel of it and you close your nose. It's like a whole thing. But um >> yeah, you can just drink it to >> you just drink it. Don't say [laughter] this wine is special. You don't have to hold it. >> Be enjoyed. It's not If it's good, it's going to feel good. >> 100%. I agree. Um I do want to get back to something you discussed earlier, but I want to finish the thank you Hashem discussion I said. So please, you know, it's mozzab. It's a minhug. It's a tradition to talk about the bal actually. >> Correct. >> In uh in my world. >> In my world too. [snorts] Every week we have a baltov. >> So what's your feeling on the thank you hashem movement talking about the best baby, right? What's your what's your uh response on that topic? >> I think it's the most important thing that needs to happen in the Jewish world right now is for people to talk more about the bashto mdash. Of course, but the bashtov is that bashtov's light and the teachings of him and and his students and their students is the path in Torah that is bringing us closer to Mashiah consciousness to prophecy to going back to activating everything that the Torah really is. Um famously his rebi was lived from the times of Rabenu all the way into times rebi as well. It's one of these [snorts] long souls that we had in in in the Tanakh and we know most most cababalists learned from Ela but the Bashim have learned from his rebi who received Torah from [clears throat] Bashimto's Torah I just finished teaching over a 100 classes in the Bashimtov from a book called Bashimto one of my rebies put together he compiled 18 chapters of different topics of everyday Jewish life and what the Bashtov had to say on it with sources. Bashto's teachings some of them are very [clears throat] cabalistic unifications and meditations and some of them are are very simple just reshaping how we look at things in order to retap into them. And it's it's a Torah that's very needed. The bashtov himself tells the story he tells it to his to his brother-in-law that on one rash he did an aliyah soul ascension up into the higher realms on rash shah and he ended up in the of the mashiach the msiah's chambers and he asked the mashiach when are you coming when are you coming and the mashiach's answer was dot dot dot and I'm saying it that way because for most of that knows the story that's the story that they know but if you actually read the the letter after the dot dot dot there's no dot dot dot there the consentence continues that not only will your wellsp springs and your Torah spread out across the world that people will do meditations and unifications and ascensions like you and the Bashtov was like what he gave him weakness of of the mind you're only going to come when the world is on my level with humility a person's meant to recognize their own level was on a high level it's not uh he he saw the light in every simple Jew but for them for the farmer to be the bashtov is not exactly the same thing even the bashtov knows that and now we're in a generation that you see it's you can start to see the light at the end of the tunnel tunnel of how it actually it's spreading it's spreading more and more and more and people are getting more and more into it to to make a braha properly like we're talking about to eat the importance of joy running away from depression singing music the life that we just had in the maka that's the bento and if every kahila if every house had a taste taste of that that 2% of what you just had the world would be a better place am >> I appreciate that compliment >> not only a compliment just on the side of the fact right >> if >> it's a compliment because that is life yes >> correct >> if if we all and it goes both ways the amazing thing is the bashtov >> again there's bashtov stories and ideas and and then there's the bashtov inside highly recommend whoever wants to get inside to get inside the Torah, learn it, learn what he actually had to say, not just the the myths and the stories and the the actual Torah. Out of this world cannot be compared to anything else. Out of this world. Sometimes the most simple thing that the Bashto just flips how you look at it. And it it has a huge huge effect on the nishama. It's validating Torah. It's powerful Torah. It's livingly uh lively Torah. It's connecting. It's to everything in the one of his main rules was a person needs to know the blemishes in their heart, your downfalls, what you're not good at, what you suck at, what you struggle with. You have to know it because if you know that, so then you're aware of it. You're conscious. You know who you are. Only that will allow you to truly be in sim. If a person thinks that everything's okay and they have to be so sensitive that, oh my god, God forbid my blemishes get out. God forbid someone else knows I'm having a bad day. So you're walking on eggshells and you're lying to yourself and everybody around you anyway. When a person's able to, yeah, my life can be bitter. I feel bad a lot of the time. I feel so far from Hashem. I have tons of aspirations that I can't achieve. Yeah. But then a time of comes, a good time, a good vibe. I need it. I'm lacking. I need this. I just dance in your house. Why? because I needed to dance. Not just cuz the vibe was good. I needed to dance. I'm not in I'm away from my family. I need it. I need it. I'm not feeling good. I'm not in my natural zone. So in a situation like that, because of the because of I know that if right now I dance, if right now how I feel, I dance, that's it. Everything's perfect. Everything's okay. Hashem is here. That that's has these Toras as well. Everybody all the students of Bashtov. It's the gula. It's the gula. >> You said before I love everything you're saying. You said before Torah being cool. And now we're talking about the balsh of the holy balshv. And I think this is the challenge. This is the I don't know if this is the proper time to use this word, but I always love when Raban use it. The juxiposition >> to the uh Torah cool and you know holy balshov. How do we how do we uh >> they go hand in hand. >> What's that? >> They go hand in hand. The bashimto fought all the rabbanim that used to go around. He didn't fight them, but he told and he warned and he and he spoke out about against it. All theim that were scaring people into Judaism, scaring people in if you don't do this, you're going to go to he 12 times it's written in the Torah. If you break Shabbat, yeah, all of that is true. Rabbi says there's emit and there's emit. True. It's true. In the Torah, it's written 12 times a person breaks Shabbat, they're going to die in this world in the world to come. It's true. You can't go around it. Well, you're going to lie. The same, the same Torah we've had for thousands of years. But is that how I need to bring a person in closer into Shabbat? That's the truth that I need to tell about the Torah that's going to make a person connect to Shabbat. Or is it the with all of your heartto says one peric of one chapter of Psalms with all of your heart you shake all of the worlds in the heavens. Everything you change everything. I can't tell a Jew about that. I can't bring him into Torah that way to show him the light that he's going to get out of connecting the power that he has. You think the BMP would have been okay? I guess with the way you're saying it and I'm accepting what you're saying and I agree actually. I just >> it's his words. >> No, I'm talking about I'm talking about come in the back of the bus, baby. The best baby. That kind of talk is what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. How would thee have felt about connecting Jews >> to to him [snorts] through the those type of catchy phrases and kibitsy ways of talking? That's what I'm saying. >> So, so now we're going I don't know. I I talk from my heart, but I I get what I get what you're saying. And I think also the from Thank you, Hashem also are coming from their heart. And I think the bash of 100% would not only accept it, embrace it to to tell you that way. I don't see that the Bashto would see a lot of the is being the Bashto. Bashtov didn't have uniforms. Bashtov didn't make cookie cutter Jews. It was the complete opposite. What was the situation in Bashimtov? The the historical situation of a Jewish town back then. you had a a non-Jewish lord or a duke or whoever it was that was in charge of the whole province and you had the Jews living in his province and you had a chief rabbi and one schol one shet one mo and if it wasn't all the same person which most of the times it was and where did he take his orders from cuz he's a Jew living inside of go land he didn't have to pay protection he didn't have to answer to the duke to the baron to the lord So what happened? One sh that means you have how many? Probably only one. Lucky if you have two. What is say? You can pray until till midday. There's times for sure you want to make it, but you're allowed to pray until midday. But what happens if you live in a town where there's only one sh one minion and if you don't make it's at 8:00 and if you don't make it you're not what happens then so comes and his students we don't care about the non-Jewish rule and ruler and his rules we care about God and now you have a minion factory that's aidic thing so what was it coming back to true authentic Judaism I can I pray into right or wrong? Am I allowed to? I woke up late. I have whatever reason it was. I need to pray now. Minion comes together of 10 other Jews that just like you can meet themselves at their low level and come together to connect to Hashem. So if the Bashto was okay with Jews just being I don't know the Yiddish term, but Zuggers or whatever it is, right? Just say all day long. Yeah, I think he would be okay with this. I personally am a person that I don't like mockery and gimmicky things too much. Um, but our generation does. [snorts] Our generation does and there's a place for it, I think. You know, >> you know what? Our our generation also uh is dealing a lot. Um, if you don't mind me shifting a little bit, but going back to what you said a few minutes ago, um, anxieties challenges, [clears throat] internal challenges, depressions. Um, you said something interesting a minute ago. You said something about the fact that you have to accept what your life is and then you have to work on being bim or work on yourself and being a positive thing. even accepting it. I one of the things I learned from my therapist um a long time ago, Rabbi Spie, who I hardly see now, but and I'm saying it on purpose because there are times where I see him a lot and there are times I see him less and he's like, you know, like my doctor, I check in with him, you know, uh no different than anything else in uh in life. So, um he's he's uh taught me a couple of things about this process. And one of the things that he taught me is that if you have anxiety and you keep asking yourself like what do I have this anxiety for? What do I why am I depressed? Why am I anxiety for? He says it's the same thing like looking at yourself if you had to get god forbid your leg amputated and every day you're saying my leg is amputated. Why is my leg amputated? [laughter] My I can't get out of bed. My leg is amputated. Right? He said just imagine it that way is that just accept what God gave you. And he was he wasn't coming from a place of God. He was coming just from a mentality place. And I'm taking it from both. Just accept what God gave you and just deal with it and and you know, sort of like grow up, move on. Yeah. >> You said something earlier and it just it's sitting on my head. >> And um I had to listen to all that. I had to make believe I was listening to all that so I can ask my question. You know how people like have something to say and they don't listen to any [laughter] stuck in one place. >> Exactly. That's what I felt the last few minutes to be honest with you. >> Run away from depression. Oh, >> when you said that, I was like I I wanted to jump out of my chair. >> That's the thing. It's an active thing. It's not a >> So, so we have to be active. >> So, I I want I want to talk about that for a second. I want to get into that, >> of course. >> And just ask you when you say something like run away from depression. We run away from depression. I'm depressed. We let depression run away from me. You know, uh I I there was a time once when I was um going through a a challenge and someone suggested to me, he said, "Come, you got to go to Florida. get away from Florida. I said, "No, what I need is for the challenge to go away. I don't need to go to Florida right now. Do me a favor. Come back to me in a week." You know, there are times that we all go through that in life. Just leave me alone. Let me do my thing. Let me fix it together with Hashem's help. And you know, but now I don't need to go away. Now I need to be right here. Right. So, >> so when you say something like run away from depression, you got to get into that. Tell me what your thoughts are. What is depression to you? Where does it come from? How do we deal with this type of feeling, anxieties? and just take me through that world because one of the things that I've I've I've accomplished also in this process is doing some breath work. So when you started saying dancing I'll never forget the breath work guy who came to me and said let's dance and I'm like dance get away from me dance. So I want to encapsulate all that in this conversation and just talk about so >> we'll talk about depression of >> courseman says the letter is thought and you need to be and your thoughts need to be says you can only have one thought at a time. We can't control what thoughts come into our head. We can influence it and we can create a better arena and a more conducive thing to hold a brain that holds pure thoughts and is trained and educated to think better. But we can't really control our thoughts. They're coming all the time. We can control what we think about though. What's coming in there and what's happening is one thing. What we focus on and what we allow to stay there that is in our control. And if you're having bad thoughts, we have an obligation to change it. Now, that sounds simple. And there again, there is clinical depression. And then there's what most of us in our generation are going through, which is we still also call it depression, right? But it's not a chemical imbalance necessarily. It's >> it's a financial imbalance. >> It's a relationship imbalance. >> Exactly. Right. So, so everything that we think about and the story that we tell ourselves in our mind whether it's the story or it's the facts on the ground but even if it's facts we interpret it in a certain way that knowledge that mindset gives birth to emotions and those emotions give birth to other emotions that cause us to make decisions and take actions. And if the story up here is not right, so then it trickles down that way and it creates a situation that in your heart and in your actions and in your speech is detrimental and not and not okay and not and not safe and not not at all good, not connected to God. It's not a good thing. Why does it happen? for many reasons but we have an obligation according to theic masters to to fix we can't allow ourselves to be there the outcome of depression which is essentially a a person that doesn't have amuna doesn't have a belief that right now everything's okay everything's in his hashem's hands everything is fine I'm taken care of god runs the world and everything is a-ok okay when we lose that mindset we feel disconnected And if I don't connect to God and to others around me, so I'm left by myself. And when I left by myself, I still need to find pleasure. Human beings, all the couples teach that our number one need is pleasure. The reason that we came down here mainly our souls but needs more than anything is pleasure. Tanoo rooted very high lofty place in keter. It's coalistic terms, but pleasure is a is a is the number one need that the human soul has. And we're always going to need that pleasure. But when we feel that we don't want to connect to anybody or to God and we just want to be alone and the world can continue on without me for right now, I need to go into my little hibernation and process or just be in my funk or whatever it is, then that gives birth to laziness. And once you get lazy and you're not doing and boredom, boredom is craziness. And then it leads to a whole list of sins and different things that are again a sin. You want to look at it in a more modern strip the spirituality of it. Very bad things for you to do as a human being, as a healthy normal human being. Things that are not conducive for your life and the success of your life. Most of them are that in a very simple way. >> Could you give me an example? cheating on your wife, stealing from people, spilling seeds, all these things are known to not be conducive for success and for good moods and positive [clears throat] energy. Right? I'm saying stripping the spiritual belief of amuna and tora cuz I know there's multiple people listening here with different levels and different beliefs, but as human beings, there's certain things that are not good for us to do. The Torah calls a lot of those things sins, meaning God told you not to do them, when you go against God, it's a different level, right? But even if you want to take God out the picture, so to say, as a human being, there's certain things that we can't allow ourselves to get into. Laziness, depression, detachment, not wanting to connect to other people, not not being willing to talk to others or to even process what I'm going through myself. Just wanting to consume and to take and to be turned off and to not have any kind of connection is a horrible place to be. and we have to run away from it. And I say run away because we have to be proactive about it. It's not your friend. I don't know what to tell you in the situation. I don't know the situation, but to go to Florida maybe wasn't the right thing to do, but it could have been that it wasn't the only thing that you should have done. That was the 100% the right thing that you needed to do cuz sometimes we just need to move physically in our mind. Again, I said it's our mind that tells a story and that trickles down to our emotions which trickles trickles down to our actions. But what happens if you can't change your mind? What happens if you can't think better? If you can't get out of the funk comes and many other different different books that we had throughout the times of the tell us do something physical and after your actions your heart will be pulled. You have to do something physical. Ahmed says, "Clap your hands, dance, something of uh, you know, some kind of word, just a joke, something. Do something cuz ch you A lot of times depression is a is a pattern. It's an outcome of a pattern. Break the pattern. Break the pattern." And the more you get conscious of this, the more you are aware of it, the more you see it happening. And like in my house, my wife is probably going to see this. In our house, it's known. We have also my wife did a beautiful painting in our kitchen that says this kitchen is for dancing right and in our house it's nearly a rule if I catch her or she catches me feeling down music and dancing in our generation that happens we dance a lot in our house but when do we dance we dance also just simka times of Shabbat getting ready for Shabbat and a lot of times we dance cuz we need to out of the bitterness, out of the Yeah. So, it's we can't accept it. We can't accept it. And this is probably the hardest thing in our generation of the self-destruction that comes out of not wanting to connect and not feeling life and notem I I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this and I don't I'm not poking fingers or jabbing, but I grew up in this country and a huge reason that I decided to stay in Israel and continually want to stay in Israel is because that's what Israel is. Israel, you guys all know, whoever lies to you and says Israel is safer than anywhere else, it's not. It's not. It is in the overall picture and it is biblically and it is yes 100% Zion is the place of refuge 100% it's our home. Yes. The facts on the ground is that it's a pretty dangerous place and we have to go through a lot and we all go not everybody but a lot of people go to the military and a lot of people have know people that have died and traumatic life insane extreme ups and downs but the ups are ups the ups are ups and when I lived in America and also when I come down here a lot of times I feel that life here is pretty plateau kind of you you know, pretty in the hospital that's never a good sign. You might feel comfortable. I know as an American growing up here, and I know this is American culture, Jewish and non-Jewish. Americans don't like too much change. You get your comfort, you get your level of comfort, your standard of living, how it is, the same routines, things like that. The parliament meeting with the gentleman and the and all these things that we have set up. And if something so then all of a sudden everything gets shaken out. That life is that this is God's world. It's not our world. We're all here to serve God. God is selfish enough to create his own little playground. We're all here his toys. We have no sometimes we have to remember that if we forget depression also comes a lot of times because we feel that it's all on our shoulders. We have to do it. So if the success is all mine, so the failure is all yours. But if it's all Hashem, so then you can stay more balanced in your ego that on the ups and the downs. You did really well in business. Thank you, Hashem. You fell flat on your face at the expo. Thank you, Hashem. But when it comes back to us and yeah, this world sucks and it's really brutal and there's many, many, many reasons for a person to be depressed. of Joey Rosenfeld. Do you know him? You had him on here yet? You had him on the podcast? >> I did not. I learn his teachings every Sunday. I have a Karusa now. His name is Alex Cheruk. Every Sunday I learn with him. Uh Rab Joey. >> It's the most important thing in the world. Joey is >> he's amazing. By the way, >> so he says >> so articulate too. He says that the fact that a baby was pulled out of its mother is enough of a reason to be an addict for the rest of your life. The most traumatic thing ever is going to happen to you in your life was birth. It's enough of a re this world is crazy enough to you don't have to judge anybody for being addicted or being depressed or anything. This world is that insane. Shto says, "Why do we call why is what's the name El Shai and why is that the name of this world?" Which by the way, Shai is pi 3.14. >> I'm sorry. I grew up in an environment where you're not allowed to say the words what you just said. >> I'm saying it >> you're allowed to say it without saying ke shakai. Just like I hope >> when you're saying it when the right reason you're >> Okay. No, I'm happy because I like because there's a song called El Shadai and I love hearing it >> in a song. Right. So I know >> there we are. >> Do you know what I'm talking about? You know the song? >> No. But um actually and a lot of hold that if you're singing a song and it's a full puk you say's name. Not everybody holds this but uh if you're saying it in if you're saying it form with honor. So he says why is that the name of this world? Die. He said to his world, "Die enough." What's in Hebrew? Concealment. This word, the word for world in Hebrew is olam. Concealment. Hidden. What's hidden? That everything's God and everything's godly. That's what's hidden in this world. And what what level are we on? The level where Hashem had to say to his world, "Die enough. Stop here." that if it would have gone says one level below where we are right now not going to translate it right if we got lower than that we wouldn't be able to come back we wouldn't be able to recognize God we wouldn't pass the test we are in the lowest place possibly to be and we're still doing we're still trying to we have to fight for below us is death below us is below us is the worst places possible so your standard of living your basic joy that you need throughout your day. You can't give up on that. You have to fight for it. >> Wow. It's a little bit uh easier for you because you're a little bit higher in Svat in the mountains. Um and I tell this to a lot of my friends all uh when when we talk about Israel, I say it's one thing if you hardly go to Israel, but if you never went to Svat, you are missing out on life. And it's the most magical city and the most magical environment in the world. And the times that I love to go there is Kaneka time. I love Shabas Kanek. I'm curious when is your some of your favorite times? >> That's definitely one there. Lag bulmer. >> Lag bulmer. Sure. Yep. >> Um essentially all year long. That's why I live there. But uh I know we have the pockets definitely. Lag bul. >> Let me ask how do you afford to live there? I mean financially >> afford. Yeah. I mean >> how do you work? How do you how do you do anything? I'm curious. What's your income? >> I did work. >> I mean now the wine I understand that but >> no it's not really even I mean it is but not it will be exactly that's the goal. Um, the truth is I managed their visiting center for 4 years. >> Oh. >> From >> the the visiting center of the winery. >> Correct. There's a beautiful story. >> I've seen I've seen you there. Now I'm remembering years ago. Okay. >> So I managed that until October 7th. Since October 7th, the war started. So tourism in Israel was shot and everything shut down. I had been teaching Torah already on the side. and my rebi told me to go full-time into teaching and we opened the B mid of English people that want to learn inad Torah of the nephish the kind of things that we're talking about now how to approach the Torah in a deeper more meditative way like it was intended to be taught people don't know this but first the first the gives you a whole breakdown of how to meditate and to bring God into your life with from the in really start the off with and a whole entire meditation of how to bring down God consciousness from the Rama. That's the first the book of Jewish law. The first is to meditate on God. How many people taught you it that way before? Whoever ever I'm not saying I'm the only one that did this. I live in the city that this is the was written in our city. It came out of its fat with all the kavala, right? So um so I I teach Torah essentially every day and I try to help men online and coaching people that like like we're having this conversation now, right? This is not something that you and a few of our listeners are struggling with. I struggled with this for many years. I still am working on myself, but at least I have the books. >> What part what part of it? When you say you've struggled with it, what do you mean? like like I said everything in the beginning of of of living a spiritual life in the modern world. >> Yeah. Oh, you're saying uh your Yeah. And just like you also talked about some things we do because I love Hashem and it feels good for me to do it and some things I'm a little bit not there because I I don't fear Hashem that much. We are we're all we're all on the same right spectrum. So I I just want to say first I wish you a lot a lot of the maza everything you need to succeed in everything you're doing. >> Hashem should give you the ability to continue to learn and teach and to influence >> and uh you know we should celebrate a glass of wine together soon. >> Amen. with the coming of Msiah in >> which I think comes through or maybe near says in that when Msiah comes he's going to come to the city of will happen everybody will come together inat and walk together to >> okay check me >> you should tell the real estate brokers inat this >> they know it [laughter] >> um you know but speaking of wine and we're going to we're going to wrap up in a minute but uh speaking Speaking of wine, Purim is around the corner and it's Adar. It's Purim is coming, baby. And I love Purim. It's one of my favorite holidays. Um, it's I would say it's it's >> you ask me what's the time invat. We do two days. >> Ah, that >> we do two days. We read the migila four times. [snorts] >> So yeah, that's also a special time. >> I would say PM is of the at least top 10 holidays of mine. [laughter] I was thinking which one and I'm like I love I love all holidays. I love being Jewish. I got to be honest with you. I love every part of it. And uh you know, it's it's hard to pick one. But >> Porm is coming and we drink wine. And um speaking of Mo Robbie, I love you, Mo, by the way. It's amazing. He opened up a world of discussions for our podcasting, which is this one-on-one, you know, depth session where we can get real and talk about things that are in people's minds. and he uh he admitted that he used to say and he was like would joke with people put it on his status then he realized he's got to be careful because people drink and they drive and and it's dangerous and invat you don't have to drive you could just walk everywhere so you don't have that issue. Um give me a lesson of give me a lesson of Purim. Give me something you know the migilla the the story of Purim give me something that before we close up here today and uh we do the final things that we do before wrapping up. Um what's your thoughts on Purim and um you know in general and uh anything that we can learn from your journey or >> so Purim and Kanuka are rabbitical holidays that were instituted after Porm is mentioned in the Tanakh already and one we light candles and the other we get drunk. One is very spiritual and all about the light and essence of God and the other one is about the body and about eating and getting drunk and that the fact that there was a holocaust and we survived. Porm is an amazing Torah a more amazing time for Torah also because the Jewish people it says that we took upon ourselves and established and kept all the Torah. So the Torah was given before Purim, long time before Porm. And it says there say the rabbis say that. Hashem forced us to get married. Right? He put a mountain over us. It's either you take the Torah or I'm going to drop it and here you're going to be buried. That's that's awe. And when it came to the purim, people don't know this, but the story of the migila is nine years long. It's current events over nine years. Didn't all just happen in uh you know, not even one term of a US president. It's uh over more than two was unfolding of an events of many events. But the the the culmination of all of that migila that the Jews were mitadim, not just the Jews, it doesn't even specify that. It says a lot of the people of the world of of the nations were became Jews. People were converting. The Jews were becoming more Jewish. People were converting to Judaism. It says in the migila, what does it mean that the Jews becoming Jewish in Kanuka? The Jews were mitim were becoming Greek. And here in the Jews when it came to the body play with our soul this that sometimes people don't know it's it's out there but the Jewish story the Jewish people as a people if you get down to our bodies that we already know is kadosh we know it's holy even if you're not religious even not you know as a Jew you've been through a story you know people have been slaughtered just the fact that you're alive now means that people went through it so then They knew it happened before them as well. And when it got to such a point that they realized that they're going to get wiped out of love, they received the Torah upon themselves again and embraced the Judaism again and wanted the connection again. And I had no idea that we were going to talk about Pur and and bring this up like this. And I'm kind of freestyling right now. But what's coming in my mind right now is you see in Isa you have people walking after October 7th initi in the land of Israel with nice longrit with no keep thousands a lot of people like this have people trying to keep Shabbat putting their phone away there's a arousal there's an awakening and when did it happen after a bunch of I'm like a Nazis came into our land, right? And and and tried to slaughter us. That aroused something inside of us on the body level that no, I'm not taking this. There was a Jew in in was killed by ISIS, a journalist, I can't remember his name. Him too, when they came when they came after his body and they said, "Convert before you kill." He said, "No, I'm a Jew. I'm going to die a Jew." Guy never kept in his whole entire life. But that pint that that Jew that's inside that nishama that's inside of you even on the body it fights it. So >> his name his name was Daniel Pearl. >> Daniel Pearl. There you go. There's a Jew that most of his life didn't really live like a Jew. Didn't live a Jewish life. When it came to die, convert terrorist guns to AK-47 to his head. Convert to Islam. Say one sentence. And he said, "I'm a Jew. I'm going to die a Jew." The Jews of the Purum time did the same thing. And us now, we also have to do this. We don't need to get that far. We don't wish this on anybody. We don't need to get that far that we have to have some calamity in our life to happen. If the outcome of them nearly dying, realizing then Hashem is behind everything and the whole time, the whole nine years of that genocide happening in Persia was all directly being ordained to save everybody. And not only that to make you guys the Morai became like Ysef, the leader of Hashem's in charge. Sometimes we don't see it. But if we can embrace Hashem and we can we can realize that yeah, there is the awe. There is this this world experience, but it's our father. Au, he's our father. He loves you infinitely. And no matter what you did wrong, he still loves you. You can do everything wrong, he still loves you. He's a father. Our fathers are fathers and good fathers at least. That's Hashem. He's the best father. But he's also a king. He's also Maku. And like a king, he's in charge and watching over everything that's happening. Infinite mercy with high expectations. In Purim, we got pushed to a point. It said that Haman taking off his ring did more than all of the prophets that Amis had. The rabbis have a saying like that from you know this. >> No. What does that even mean? In the Gumar it says essentially Hamman, this Jewish hater, this anti-semite that wanted to kill us all. Him receiving the the this the ring of power from the king did more to arouse the Jews than all of the prophets that we had speaking to us from God. The whole entire Torah couldn't do what one anti-semite had the power to do. And in our life, people want to scream. I hear this all the time living in Israel, but here I see the American Jews, anti-semitism, anti-semit. I get it. It's a real problem. But the answer has been clear to us for 3,000 years. Embrace Torah. Live as a Jew. Do what you got to do. What else? What other option do you have? You're going to change how you live. You're going to hide it. You're going maximum you're going to have to move. You're going to have to run away. We've been through this. We've been through this, right? But to run away from it, to not to run away from your Judaism to try to assimilate. They want it's your it's your body, too. They're not it's your existence is not it's everything about you. Everything about you. So, you might as well embrace Torah. You might as well embrace a relationship with Hashem. You don't need to be fanatic, religious, grow out crazy hair, wear strings from your body. You don't need to do anything. Just have to have a relationship with Hashem. Start to know what it is that soul that's inside of you. Start to feel it. Start to embrace it. Start to try to learn more about it. And the more you do it, I promise you, I promise you, I promise you, you're going to find more tools to your life doesn't become daisies, right? Doing chuvatem, it's called it's slave work. It's work. It's not easy. But you get meaning. You get the tools to pick yourself up. You have the tools to find hope in the darkness, in the bitterness. You get you get much more in your spiritual and mental and emotional and physical toolkit to lift yourself up and to give you the fuel the fuel and the energy you need to stay happy and to stay connected and to see the bigger picture and not get caught up sometimes in those stresses that we have in life. They choke all of us. They strangle all of us. There's a secular research that was done. People with amuna have less anxiety. People that believe in a power higher than them live a better mental health life and a better emotional life. It's not all up to me. Some there's a bigger picture that takes some weight off their shoulders. >> And in Pur that was abundantly clear to the Jews. It could not have just been Esther and Morai and whatever protests were going down there against anti-semitism. >> You're saying it was a 9year process, right? of of chess of Hashem everything to the D. >> You couldn't tell in year one or two or three or four, right? >> And not only that, that in the migila there's hints to future events is known that there's the Nuremberg trials and Nazis were hung. Can you uh Steph, can you help us out really quick? Look up Purfest 1946. >> Sure. After >> what's the guy's name? Yeah, the Nazis. There's 10 Nazis that were hung in the Purila. Haman and his 10 sons are hung. 1946, there's Nazis that were put on trial for their involvement in crimes. >> Julius Striker. May his name be erased. >> Sounds like a Jewish name. [snorts] >> Julius >> Striker. >> German. Okay. >> Okay. He was a Nazi [clears throat] and all of his friends and 10 of them were hung just like it's written in the meila, right? Who's the one who's Haman? Yeah, we know we don't need to say his name either, right? And 10 of his sons, 10 of his main generals. And as this guy is going to get hung, same form of execution as the Megila thousands of years ago, he screams out, "Poorfest 1946. the non-Jewish German Nazi screams out porfest. So in the in the migila Esther gets asked by the king what's your desire and we have a rule when we read the migila sometimes it says the king and sometimes it sings the king and whenever it says just the king it's talking about god so god asks Esther do you have any more requests anything she says can this also happen tomorrow meaning can it happen again in our in the timeline of of the world and It did 1946 again it happened. It happened that 10 people of that nation which [clears throat] by the way Iran it's Aryan. The country is called Paras. What's Iran? Aryan. It's also connection now. So now too pur's coming up. We have an Aryan nation coming against us. Our is up to Hashem and Hashem will and go against go against all of the evil in the world to take out. And we have to know that anything that we see physically happening, it's already happened up in the root. So most likely most likely, God willing, like like the parasa aligns with things that happen in the current events of the week. We're going into a time right now where the mazal of Israel is go the the power of is amplified in the world and our enemies go down. And it's the time where specifically our Persian Iranian enemies historically should go down as well. >> Amen. [snorts] >> This was amazing. I I mean um I think I I think I used the word amazing for this podcast when I started and I meant it and I knew it would be and I'm happy I said it and I and it really was. The most fascinating part about this whole conversation is I think it's over a little over an hour. I don't know. Um, regardless of how long it was, we started off because we were talking for 2 minutes before it started and you're like, I have a story. I don't think you even said the story. We're like, oh wait, you have to >> the story of the very quickly. Sorry, the we were talking about brahas. We're talking about blessings. The story is like this. There's a a guy in Israel that went to the east like many Israelis do and he went backpacking through India and he [clears throat] went with a friend from an ashram that he was learning in. They went in on a hike and on the hike he picked a fruit and he made a a blessing. Bless your God, king of the universe, creator of the fruit of the fruit of the tree. And okay, he's a backpacking Israeli that's checking out some asham there. But the guy he's with is a monk. And he sees the whole aura of the fruit change. He says, "What [snorts] did you do? What did you do?" He said our people you know we we make blessings before we eat and before we enjoy from this world he what does it mean the whole energy of the fruit changed everything and this non-Jewish monk Indian monk is making this whole big deal about the braha and how the energy of the fruit changed and he could see it first of all going to show you this is not just our madeup stuff spirituality is a real reality and even if a person is living in a what we believe is tuma and against the ways of the Torah and idol worship and everything, it doesn't matter. They're still spiritual and they're still tapping into very high levels of spirituality >> like a kisho, you know, was to uh >> Exactly. Right. >> And he had the ability to see that the Jew with his mouth changed the fruit that sent that Jew off >> and he went he left India. He went to yeshiva and he and he became he's I think he's a mashia. I can't remember his name, but >> that that was the story that >> blessing with intention. >> Blessing with intention >> happens to be by the way. So I'll just give you a little taste of this. You met the the power of brahas. You know when when my son was sick, um my son had a liver transplant when he was a baby. >> Wow. >> And uh like a week before the surgery, um somebody arranged for an entire school of boys. >> Braha party. >> A braha party. They all at one shot at one at one one time they all had a drink. They all managed to hack all together and they all sudden together and like I said the power of that can shake the world. >> Wow. Well Steph, thanks for sharing by the way. >> Last BMTO story. Last one. You >> sure? I don't want it to stop. >> Doesn't have to be the last one. But >> yeah, last one on camera I guess. Yeah, >> there was a BMT. >> We're hanging out all night by the way. You know that, right? [laughter] We're going straight to the hot tub from here to >> go to nets in the morning, too. >> Okay, perfect. We'll pull an allnighter. Bashtov sent one of his students to a very far away um town and he got lost and off the path and he went without water for a long time and he finally found a stream of water and put his hands down in a cup and made a full hearty shak and drank it and went back to the bashtov because he didn't find what he was sent to find. And he gets [clears throat] back back to the bashto and he said, "What was that? You sent me to like nowhere. There's nothing there. What what did you need? What was what was going on?" He said, "Tell me about your journey." And he tells him how everything broke down and he could and he went found this Mayan this spring and he made a shakle. He says, "You know what happened in the heavens? That wellspring from the creation of the world had no purpose. And it made a claim in the heavens. And there was a decree that a whole entire village of Jews was going to get wiped out because of the kit, the claim in heavens that that that wellspring gave out. And you came and made one shackle and saved all of them. We have a lot of a lot of power in our mouth. >> Wow. And in our mind and we in our heart and if we can apply all three of them together the thing is very close to you in your mouth in your heart to do it. Unify your actions with your heart in your mouth. The word of God is going to be very close to you. >> Wow. >> I love it. Amen. Um, last two things before I let you go is first of all, do you have any questions for me? And then I'm going to ask you if you have any guests that you would recommend. You know, normally I would say if you start a podcast, who would be your first guest? But you had a podcast, so that should be an easy one. But before we wrap up, any questions for me? >> Yes. Um, as a Jew living here and what I know of you in our short short time that we had in this past 24 hours, how do you market what I've seen in your house and in your the love and the and the camaraderie that you guys have together? How do you market that more that more Jews should be inspired to have that as well in their house? Friends that come together, that bring in Shabbat together, that sing together, that eat together, that take out Shabbat together, sing together, eat together. How do how do we market that? You're a marketer. How do we [laughter] >> And don't say it's none of your business. >> Shalom. I'm happy we didn't even use it. Um, it's a great question. I think that the simplest answer I can give is to everyone has the ability to give uh saddaka charity even if it's not money. And it's a concept I always talk about behind closed doors. Give your time. you know, uh, we had someone on the podcast that said that, you know, they don't take a lot of guests on Chabas. That's because that person is during the week busy with the guests of the world, but a typical person can open their home. Do it once a month. You take upon yourself to go to shabbat.com or go to your local rabbi and say, "Hey, I want to open my home to have a meal with somebody from the outside to come in." It'll change your shabas and it'll change your life. And the reason is because you're then forced to listen to someone else's stories >> and sing the songs and ask them just literally start the shabas table with your guests and say what song did you grow up with listening to shalom shabas. You ask that question and it just invokes curios curiosity and then it creates conversation before you know it you're singing shalom with a stranger that you never met before. So that's what I would say is open your home. If we could market it to the world and say, "Guys, you know, I instead of Shabbat.com or I think is it Shabbat.com, right? >> Ben on classical, shout out to you. We got we got to have him on >> um Steph, add him to our list, please. He's a guy that we're going to go really deep with um and talk about art and many other things." >> Amazing. He's amazing. >> So, so the point is that just, you know, what Rabbi Waxman taught me a long time ago is, you know, you want to do something, just cut that in half and take that and cut that in half and do that. So don't start being nice to the world every day of your life. Like calm down, you know, don't even do it, you know, every other day. Do it once a month. Just, you know, let's uh, you know, the braha the blessing I'll give to everybody listening to this is it's going to be the week of Adar and it's going to it's going to lead us to Purim and um, take upon yourself something once a month and open your home to a guest. Open your home to a single divorced father, divorced mother. Open your home to a neighbor who doesn't have any children living alone. Open up your home and automatically the simha will start and that's how I think it'll capable to >> and if you can't do that I'll just add then call someone and be there for them. >> Yeah. >> If you can't bring them into your house right just adding the exact same lines as you're saying reach out. >> I heard I heard a great story and I'm going to share it real quick and many people heard it already but it doesn't matter. It's still a great story to tell you in case you haven't. Is that someone basically came back to keeping Shabbat and so on. And he said, "What made you do it?" And he said, "It's the rabbi that called me every erra of Shabas." And and one day someone met that rabbi and said, "Wow, you know, did you know this?" And he goes, "That's interesting." Cuz he never picked up the phone. >> And that story just like, you know, really hit home with me. It's just and especially with what you're saying now, just pick up the phone, call someone. And again, do it once a month. You're right. If you can't have a guest in your house and your spouse won't allow it or whatever, just call someone, right? >> Connection, >> which is really great. Uh, Eliao, who would be your uh your suggestion for the None of Your Business podcast as a guest here? I know you're living in SWAT. >> Joey Rosenfeld 100%. >> Oh, Joey. >> AI. AI also >> Ashi. >> I can help with all of these. Um, >> okay. So, uh, >> those are those are >> those are the top two, right? >> Um, Yakov Klein if he ever comes. Um, yeah, >> let's do it. Joey, I'm doing I'm going with Joey right there. That's >> I'm going to say something right now. If he'll do it, I don't know. I just met him this Shabbat, but I think it would be a val conversation of Tories have here in Pomona >> the RV. >> I just met him the Shabbat. I think that would be, >> you know, it's a great idea. By the way, >> I think that would be very powerful. >> I met him once and his his sim his happiness was just contagious. I'm blown away how he acted in Shabbat and the way he has his community. >> What did he do? Tell me tell me one thing that that stood out. >> He walked and gave every child a candy and he gives hugs. He hugged me in a way that I haven't been hugged in a long time from especially not from Arabi. And he's he's uh genuine. He's down to earth and authentic. And it's amazing to see a Jew that that believes in the simple inherent holiness of every single Jew. That's what I saw and that's his behavior. When he opened his mouth and turned to spoke Torah, I was blown away. And that doesn't usually happen to me coming from and came out to heart. I don't know if it happens, I I'm definitely going to watch that one. >> [laughter] >> I'm definitely >> I'm going to make sure every one of them at least gets a call from us. >> Also say if you could have if you could have a person that's about chuva or a convert those stories um they they help a person a lot on their on their journey. >> Yeah. >> Learning from the great is is also important but also learning from the people that fought to to come into a connection with Hashem is >> I love it eye opening. >> That's a great idea. If any one of our listeners know any suggestions from that world, let us know. >> Thank you again to all our subscribers or our listeners, all the feedback. Thank you to the Prime Source production team, doing amazing things, growing together. I love where this conversation is starting to go. I love this uh you know the selection of who you are having and I'm thinking already ahead of sitting in front of Rav Ashi and Rav Joey and and and Ravski and uh you know don't worry listeners we're going to sprinkle in a lot of others as well in terms of covering all facets of life but really getting deep and talking about the pain and how to get past it and what you said today was overwhelming for me to listen to and to accept I am going to listen to this podcast and that's something to to say because [laughter] Stefan does the listening like 10 times over and I'm excited for it. >> If a person is interested in these in these topics, so I would say two things. Joey Rosenfeld, if you go to Rabbi Joey Rosenfeld, if you go to his YouTube, there's a playlist section on the channel and he has different playlists. Anxiety, hope, joy, addiction, recovery, those topics. you listen to him extremely powerful and humbly speaking on my channel I also have a couple hundred shiim on and of the same of the same energy approaching these topics from the from the Torah is not like any self-help book or any speaker out there it's when you when you when you see that theidic masters and even not just the masters Torah teachers for the past thousands of years have had these tools and guidance and sometimes it's just which book and how to read it and to get over that. A lot of us come with a lot of trauma from how we [clears throat] were forced Torah or how we were taught Torah. Our Torah is beautiful. Our Torah is is amazing and filled with every tool you need. It's just give it a give it the right fair chance with a open heart. You need some help, make a good and get into it cuz we all need it. We all need it. >> I love it. I appreciate it. Thank you for that. And That's a wrap. >> [music]