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That was interesting
>> guys
like I was saying when I wake up in the
morning I'm going to wash my hands and I
say the mod ani and then I realize that
I was a part of something greater thanks
to the two of you. So I just want to
first off say thank you for what you're
doing. Thank you for being here.
>> You know the best part of my uh meeting
you was meeting you in avitz
>> and uh you know we'll talk about that in
a minute. First of all I love your
socks. Avocado socks.
>> What are those today?
>> Today.
>> Yeah. Avocado socks.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you switch them out every day?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. It matches your shirt on purpose.
>> Yes.
>> It's also a thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Something has to match
>> the shoes or the pants.
>> Welcome back everybody to another
amazing episode of the None of Your
Business podcast. I'm your host, Michael
Greenfield. Thank you so much for our
subscribers, our comments to the Prime
Source Production Team. Today we have
with us two amazing individuals. a
partnership grown out of a dollar
literally like you you would think like
what does a dollar do for you and we're
going to get into that and the creators
of daily giving and what do you call it
doctor
>> Dr. Donate
>> Dr. to donate. So, we have with us
Jonathan Donath and Schlommo Wrestler.
Guys, I'm happy I got the names right.
So, uh we're off to a good start and I
really appreciate you being here. Want
to learn so much about what you guys are
doing, how you're doing it, the whole
idea of Tedducka and charity and giving
and where this where the money is going,
who's giving, how much of it is, you
know, being churned in our world of um
you know, our community, right? I want
to understand numbers. I want to break
it down. I'd love to understand who your
organizations are that you give to and
why. First and foremost, I want to know
about you guys and who you are and how
you met. I know you're part of a little
bit of a club. I want to talk about
that. You guys are also my uh
non-bearded Kabad friends. We'll get
into that in a minute as well.
So, uh so much to get into. So, first of
all, thanks for being here, guys.
Jonathan, we're going to start with you.
>> Start with
>> if you don't mind. You know what? You're
a nice guy, but no.
>> Okay.
You want to pass it? I know what he's
going to do. He's going to pass it right
back to you. Uh, first of all, quick
question for you. Are you doing this
full-time?
>> Um, yeah. Well, I have two full-time
jobs.
>> Okay. So, yes.
>> What do you do full-time?
>> I'm a chiropractor.
>> Okay.
>> But just recently, I've merged my
practice with another practice so that
I'd have even more time to focus on
daily giving.
>> Wow. Fantastic. Yeah.
>> Okay. We're going to turn to you,
Schlommo. What do you do full-time?
>> I run oper parts of operations for a
family office.
>> Okay. In the city. and and this
>> and this.
>> Okay. Um, how do you guys know each
other?
>> We met in White Plains. Okay. That's
very inconspicuous.
>> About 16 years ago.
>> 16 years ago.
>> 16 years ago. I moved into White Plains.
Schlommo was right there. He had us for
Chabas.
>> Nice.
>> When we came to visit the community,
>> I was part of the committee that uh the
welcoming committee. So when people were
considering communities, they came to
visit and we we had them over for for a
meal. and I bribed his kids with, you
know, balloons and chachkas to take home
and that was it.
>> Schlommo, he's very humble, so I'm gonna
add things. Schlommo was like a legend
from NCY. He's a little bit older than I
am. And so when I was in NCY growing up
was like Schlommo wrestler was also like
he had like a huge um dart list and I
think it was like tens of thousands.
This is before this is like going back
way back when email was like the thing
and he had tens of thousands of people
getting his weekly Torah and I remember
being on that list. So then when I met I
was like whoa I get to meet FL wrestler.
Yeah. So he was he was he was he was big
a long time ago.
>> Well thank you for giving us some flavor
there. I like that.
>> I still send out the weekly diver Torah
but I I started a daily aliyah. So now I
send daily diver and weekly.
>> Oh wow. Okay. You're into the daily
thing.
>> Busy guy.
>> I want to figure out how that happened.
And uh let I want to jump into that real
quick and then we'll peel it back uh
right after. So you meet each other. you
move into the community where he is. You
heard about him. You're part of the
welcome committee. By the way, welcome
committee is amazing. I think every shul
needs to have that. And I've said this
already for a few times. It's not only
about the person in the back of the
shul. It's many times about the person
in the front of the shul. Always think
about the people in your sh. Like you
know the person who you think has it all
in the front sitting next to the rabbi
and you know always laughing. he also
can use the hello and the shalom and the
connection and you know so but having a
grounded system where you have a
welcoming committee is amazing. I take
it upon myself to do that all the time
and the you know new faces and uh it
happens to me that you know sometimes
I'll be like hey welcome and the guy's
like I'm here 3 months already and I'm
like oh oops so there's really no
system. So you guys have a welloiled
machine in your sh I guess. Yeah, we
also have a lot of uh hospitals in the
area, White Plains, and so people who
have relatives in the hospital need a
place to stay. So, they often stay in
our basement, other people's basements.
So, I used to have just a separate
basement where they could just stay and
be left alone. I figured they'd all
they'd want to be left alone, but the
truth is that they want someone to talk
to. So in addition to talking to our own
members, we also we're also welcoming to
to those who don't necessarily want to
be there but have to.
>> Right. That's actually beautiful. So
thank you for for telling me that. So um
so break it down for me. So you're
moving into a neighborhood, you're new,
he comes, he welcomes you, brings you to
the family and
>> we came for Shabas and uh and then we're
like, "Okay, we're moving here."
Actually, my practice was already in
White Plains. So we I I always kind of
thought I should I wanted to practice
where I lived. Um, and so we came in and
um, and we were sold. It was it was it's
a beautiful community. White Plains is
really amazing. There's two Orthodox
shows. You there's a show you go to and
the show you don't go to. So that's how
you know it's a it's a big enough
community. And um, the truth is both
shows are really amazing with incredible
rabbis, incredible rabbitons. And um
even when we have our friends that you
met that the night we met when they've
come for Shabas, you know, not everyone
realizes there are SHs with communities
like really like where the ra there's a
rabbi and there's just the rabbi knows
every kid in the sh's name, you know, he
knows every kid and he knows what's
going on and you have a bar mitzvah like
the the rabbi is talking about them
personally and he learns with every kid
and um and there's committees the
welcoming committees and other
committees, youth committees and other
things that I know in in in I don't want
to throw any other community under the
bus, but there's lots of shs that are
more like block whatever they don't
actually have that you know for example
in Israel you don't have communities as
much like that like an American style
community where you have you know our
friends came for shabas for shalom sons
bar mitzvah and they were like wow this
is like community there's like a feel of
a community so
>> right
>> I'm from Minnesota so like I'm born and
raised in Minnesota and like that's what
you had you had like there three
different shows in in my neighborhood
Minneapolis and and that's what it was
like also you know you had all you had
uh
>> okay so you're an out oftowner you're
going into an out of town style shoo and
you went to check it out for shabas
Yeah.
>> And then how many communities did you
check out before this? I'm I'm just
curious.
>> I think it was the only one.
>> Okay.
>> So, it was love at first.
>> Yeah. We were just It was It was great.
We're like, "This is a spe it's a
special place, White Plains." And and I
don't think it's a coincidence that
almost every every almost every single
couple, one of the couple is from out of
town. S from LA. Um you got Detroit and
and and Boston and and Houston and
Dallas and you know, all like Chicago.
There's just from all over the place.
Very cool. I did not know you're from
LA. I did not know you're from
Minnesota. This is great. I'm learning
so much about you guys. I'm loving this
already.
>> So, you go for Chavez. You become
friends. And you're in a family fund
business. You're Are you a finance guy?
Like, what's your what's your
background?
>> Yeah. Um, I was a CFO of a few small
hedge funds and then eventually migrated
over to a family office running
operations.
>> Okay. Family office for those that don't
know are people that have money to spend
and they need to spend it wisely and
they create a family office and they
invest in in secured funds I guess or in
different types of ventures, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, you're holding the
>> hand of all those things happening, I
guess.
>> Do my part. [laughter]
>> Okay. Do your part. Remember, this is
what the podcast is. We're going to open
up a little bit. You know, we're gonna
slowly open. Um, so you move in, you
find out about each other, you become
friends.
Tell me about how this idea percolated.
I really want to figure out like first
and foremost and lay the foundation of
what you guys have done together, which
is phenomenal. And like I mentioned
earlier, I'm a part of it every day. I
know that I'm giving $1 and I'm a part
of supporting a new organization every
single day, which is phenomenal. Just
for the sake of the viewers and the
listeners to know to understand this,
how much are we talking about? How many
givers do you have? What are your
numbers like? And what are you doing
right now?
>> Sure. Um, we have um we have over 24,000
Jews from 51 countries who are all
giving at least $1 of sedaka together
every day. And every day we give the
entire amount to a different incredible
Jewish nonprofit. We like to say it's a
diversified portfolio of over a hundred
different charities. And every day all
of our givers get an email telling them
where the money went that day. And they
get to feel great about themselves cuz
life's hard and every day there's lots
of things we're doing and we could be
having a good day. But then that email
comes, we get so many emails that
aggravate us, aggravate us, right? But
that one email comes and says, "Thank
you for your donation." You open it up,
you see who we gave today and you
realize like I mean not many people can
give $9 million a year. I mean some you
Michael might be able to but like as a
chiropractor I can't. And so this is a
way we figured out where where people
you know a couple years ago someone
wrote an article about Mishbucka
magazine and a bunch of people signed
up. But then the next week, someone
wrote a letter to the editor, which I
like more than the article. And and the
letter to the editor said, you know,
I've always struggled with Sedaka
because I've always felt like my $18
check or my $36 check felt like rather
insignificant. And just like she doesn't
feel like I'm having an impact with my
Sodaka money, but with Daily Giving, for
the first time, I'm giving. At the time,
it was like I'm giving $14,000 a day. I
feel like I'm a big veer. So that's
that's kind of what we do. And uh we've
given out over $34 million in the in the
first seven and a half years since we
started.
>> Wow. Can I just add to that? It's not
just it's not the aggregate is
beautiful, but what really drives for me
anyway for what feels special to me is
when you get Hashem sees what you're
doing, right? You're giving a dollar. If
you're helping uh a widow, let's say, is
Hashem going to say, "Yeah, but you're
only 0001% of of this widow's help." No,
you're helping you're helping his
children. And so just being a part of
helping another Jew, it's almost irre
irrelevant how much you're just doing it
together with with all your other
brothers and sisters.
>> That's very true. It's a feeling of
being a part of something, the feeling
of togetherness, which is really great.
Percentage wise, how many people are
giving a dollar versus more?
>> 91% give a dollar a day.
>> That's amazing.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow. Okay. And we're talking about $9
million now on average a year.
>> Yeah. Giving, right? It grows, thank
God, every day. And um
>> how many people are signing up on
average? Do you have numbers like that?
>> Yeah, I mean it depends what if we're
running certain things or campaigns or
different. We're about to go into you
know it's right before it's L, right?
>> Remember it's L
>> like this is right. This is if you're if
you're if you're hopefully we'll say
something tonight that will inspire you
to join us and uh absolutely be a part
of it. But um yeah, it's it's a it's a
good time for daily giving this time of
year as uh we try to
>> you know that Jewish guilt is that
[laughter] as we try to try to get the
scale to our side, you know.
>> Okay, you already got my dollar. That's
it. But that's really what it is. Once
you got someone to give a dollar, you
feel accomplished and you're moving on
and you
>> Yeah. I mean, we have more people that
start that go from a dollar then decide
to give everyone for everyone in their
family. They go from like a dollar and
cancel.
>> Yeah. So, a lot of people there was like
um recently a woman signed up. She like
she emailed us and she said, "Can
someone call me? I'd like to give more."
And I called her. She was from Florida
like she was a nurse anesthetist.
And I honestly don't even know if she's
religious or not. It doesn't make any
difference. That's one of the like like
Shus like we have people like totally
secular Jews who give us and and
[clears throat] you know you know the
mostidic everything in between and um
and that's what I think like what more
could Hashem want than all of his
children giving together to our brothers
and sisters who are less fortunate and
so that's beautiful
>> that's what we're doing. So this woman
called up and I spoke to her and she she
wanted to give 10%. She's like I don't
know who to trust but I trust you guys.
So she gave $29,000.
She sent us a check and I don't remember
what that turned out per day but that's
what we did. What's the fees uh
associated with running this
organization?
>> Well, we fund raise our entire overhead
separately. So, a h 100red cents of your
dollar goes to charity every single day.
>> Wow. Do you know what the average is for
the uh larger charities of America of
how much money actually goes to the
charities? You ever do the studies? You
ever
>> Jewish or non-Jewish?
>> Non-Jewish. You ever see those New York
Times reports?
>> No, but I know it's very high.
>> It's phenomenal. I don't know if Stefan
can look it up now, but uh Steph, if you
can chat GPT and just ask um top 10
charities in America, how when
telemarketers call people for charities,
how much percentage actually goes to the
cause?
>> Right.
>> When it's telemarketers, it's it's
really bad.
>> Yeah. 1% 2% 3% of the money you're
giving.
>> Well, that bad. That's worse than we're
talking about. Very bad. I I I remember
seeing a report like this. I know you
Stephan will look it up. We'll get back
to it in a second. But also amazing that
you're giving to different
organizations. I'd love to hear how you
decided to do this and which
organizations do you pick? I'm sure also
people are thinking now, oh, this person
needs help. Why are we not doing
something for this person? By the way,
shout out to certain people that I know
that um on a daily basis, they're
raising money to help pay someone's
mortgage, pay a tuition. And I'm just
going to name one person in particular
was on my mind, Joel Wall. He's a guy
that every day pretty much he's just
pounding it and he's using the status to
really just bring people together and
save people's lives one at a time which
is really really cool and I'd love to
hear how you determine what you're doing
and how you're doing it. So no fees 100%
going towards it. So it's another
comfort level knowing that you're giving
a charity and you know 100% of your
money is going to the cause really also
a great thing. Not necessarily is the
money that's going to the cause, I guess
that cause has to also determine what
goes to theirs, right? So every
organization is different, right? If you
write write a check to a high lifeline
versus Hamaspic versus what you not
know, I don't know if there's donations,
but there's different formulas, right,
of what goes. Do you guys research how
much goes into the organization? Like
when you give to a certain organization,
do you figure out percentage- wise what
they do with the money? You do that as
well?
>> You get we analyze expense ratios.
>> Exactly. We our due diligence team looks
very carefully at what they're spending
on. But even better for us is like we
will we'll take a project or we'll
direct our money. So like it won't just
be the $24,715
we gave this morning to you know Miss
Kim, but we'll say we want to work like
you know you said Mask which came to my
head. That's not who we gave this
morning but um you know so we will
research something and we'll we'll fund
a certain project. So then it really is
not just 100% of our money but 100% goes
right there. a project within an
organization,
>> right? So that we're not funding their
own overhead because people overhead's
important. People don't realize like
>> Yeah.
>> like people need to be paid and and
nonprofits have to have people employees
and employees cost a lot of money
nowadays, you know, and
>> so people don't really realize that that
you can't have free sodaka. You can't
always you can't, you know, in Israel
there are some truly amazing like gabit
seduckas that literally I don't know how
they survive and and they do it and uh
on almost no overhead. But for the
majority of big organizations like if
you want to get really good stuff done,
you got to pay good people.
>> Yeah. No, I agree with you and it makes
sense to have those fundraising things
and I've had some pretty horror stories
that happened to me in terms of people
coming from different countries to
collect and saying certain things and
doing certain things. I had my child
once gave a dollar to somebody and he
smacked it out of his hand. He said,
"This is not Sedaka." And that's what I
remember when I started giving to Daily
Giving. I was like, you know what?
That's the story that I remember in my
head. Like, you know, you don't smack a
dollar out of anyone's hand. Every penny
is worth something and especially if
you're doing it as a group. So, again,
kudos to you. How did this come up?
Where did this come from? You come into
the shul. You meet him. You become
friends. You're a chiropractor. You're
in finance in a family office. Just tell
me how this percolated. Where did this
come from? Where was the aha moment?
Where did you guys like think about this
together? Tell me that story.
>> Okay, I guess I'll start this one. Um,
>> the story. Well, first of all, before I
tell that, I just want to say like
what's so interesting is that first
we've been friends, best friends for
like 16 years, right? So, but we didn't
daily Giving didn't start we didn't I
didn't have the idea till like 8 years
ago. So, you know, and people sometimes
ask me, you know, oh, Teda must be your
mitzvah. Like that must be your like
that was always your mitzvah. I'm like
to be honest, like I it really wasn't. I
struggled with Sedaka because um I'm a
chiropractor at my own office and my
wife's not working outside the house.
So, it's like all on me. No one's saving
for my kids college fund. No one's
saving for my retirement. So, I had to
like do all that. And that when you have
your own business and you're a single
practitioner, if I get if I get hurt, if
I go skiing and I tear up my knee and I
can't work for three months, like I
don't make money. Like, it's it's real.
And so, there's like that mentality was
hard for me. And so um I I gave Saddaka
but did I give 10% if if you take
besides the tuition if you take all that
out I'm not I don't the answer is no if
I'm being honest no the answer is no I
didn't and Schlommo is a very very
unique person and Schlommo and now that
I'm in the world of of Saddaka and I and
I get to meet so many special people
like even though I've met so many givers
I've think there's only two other people
that I could could compare to Schloma in
terms of like their pleasure that they
get out of giving. Like truly
Schlommo gets pleasure from giving. And
he taught me like he really taught me
about giving. And um and it's really
incredible the gift that he's given me.
And and now I'm so passionate about
giving and getting others to give. And I
think it was great that I in some ways
that the fact that I wasn't always
passionate about giving and now I'm so
passionate about giving getting others
to give because I understand how it
trans it transformed me as a person.
It's not like giving has such a profound
effect on the giver and now I
understand. I didn't understand that
before. So that's kind of a little bit
background on just what I've learned
from Schlommo and and and which just
makes sense like so why I had the idea I
I don't know but it basically it stem
back about eight years ago.
Someone had told me about a YouTube
video of a rabbi who had a near-death
experience. And just the way he told me
about it, it I was so intrigued. And it
was a two-hour video, and like I don't I
don't have time to watch 2-hour videos,
but I watched like 10 minutes here, 20
minutes there. And the video is
absolutely amazing. It's about this
rabbi's name is Rabbi Alon Anava. You
could go on YouTube and look him up, put
near-death experience. There's lots of
his videos. Um, and essentially, he
talks about um he says, "I wasn't just a
secular Jew." He's like, "I purposely
ate cheeseburgers on Yo Kipper. That's
the type of Jew I was." And he died of a
drug overdose.
And before he came back to life,
obviously it's his him talking. So he
talks about being in this black abyss of
pain and suffering for what felt like
two billion years. And he said the
message he got was you don't have one
single mitzvah, nothing to elevate you.
And that's why he was stuck there for so
long. And that the message he got was we
are here in this world to take action
and do for others. And it's a very
powerful video. It changed my life a
second time. Uh when I watched it 5
years later, I was like realized I had
never watched it again. And I watched it
a second time and it changed my life in
a different way. But I watched the video
and as the the the day I finished
watching the video like I I finished in
my car and outside in the parking lot of
Young Israel White Plains and I walked
into Schul for Marv and I put a dollar
in the sucker box like we all have who
knows how many times in our lives. And
at that moment, I had the only epiphany
I ever had in my life that no matter how
much money I give to Stucka, I still get
a mitzvah for this $1. I was like, "Wow,
what a deal." A mitzvah for a buck. I
was like, "How can I guarantee that I'm
giving Stucka every single day, no
matter what, for a dollar?" That was the
idea that popped into my head. And it
[snorts] wasn't just like an idea. It
was like I cuz I like it was an
epiphany. Like I it was so like deeply
ingrained in my soul at that moment.
Like I thought I had a billion dollar
idea. I was like I I I knew I couldn't
concentrate. Like I really ran home and
I started googling is anybody automating
daily stuck giving and I could not find
it. So I called up my website guy Shovel
who's to this day my website guy and is
the chief technology officer of daily
giving and I asked him what he thought
of the idea. He says a great idea. I
said could you build me a website? He
said absolutely. I said great. Called
Schlommo called my friend Rammy and uh
we started having meetings at our you
know different houses and we're started
planning like how could we do this? How
how Schlommo was the biggest giver? We
sh who do you give your money to? Shom
gives his list of sodakas, right? Like
we all started just figuring out who
were the different sodakas that we want
to give to and then this was like
probably May or June of of 2018
and um and then I had this idea cuz I
listened to a lot of Shir to any time
and I really liked Rabbi Pesron who's
the voice of Torin time. I was like if
you hear Rabbi Cone talk he's constantly
saying like to time is the greatest
thing since sliced bread. Like he's like
by tomorrow my shear is going to be
heard in Switzerland and Chile and
Mexico and Canada. And so I was like, if
I can get Ray Pesakron to speak about
daily giving the way he speaks about to
time, we're going to blow this thing up.
So I I got his number and I called him
up and my heart was beating out of my
chest and the voice of Tory time picks
up the phone. I'm like, "Oh my god." And
um I told him the idea and he's like,
"This is a great idea." Um he's like,
"No one's doing it." I said, "Rebby, no
one's doing it." So he said, "Well, do
you have a rabbitical council?" I was
like, "No." He's like, "Well, how are
people going to not know it's not going
to your kids' college fund?" I said,
"That's a great idea." So we formed a
rabbitical council who to this day is
our rabbitical council very prestigious
Rabundum and we went live with the
website January 1st 2019
and I told you the stats before that's
that's how it started.
>> Wow.
>> And people don't know like Schlommo
really the first year or two like it was
just Schlommo really funded the whole
thing.
>> Well let's take a break on on that for a
second and Schlommo moving right to you.
I'm loving this back and forth by the
way. [laughter]
You get a call from your friend of eight
years right? someone who you're very
very close to and he has another idea.
>> Yeah, [laughter]
I imagine you're full of ideas and we're
always we're always percolating ideas,
right? But this time something felt
different.
>> Tell me about that call. Tell me about
that meeting. Give me your side of the
experience of what happened that you
went through. It was actually a shabas
walk between
uh I remember thinking it sounds like an
amazing idea like how I was trying to
you know I'm trying to be critical like
what what could be it why haven't why
hasn't it been done uh so and I was just
so excited after Chabas is just you know
running to the internet and figuring out
what what would be needed you know we
have to form a nonprofit status and all
that it was
I've been blessed with uh with some some
friends that have had some brilliant
ideas and so I I can I can tell and that
one I knew
>> right away.
>> Yeah.
>> That's it. And you went running with it.
Yeah.
>> And you helped fund it.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> I I actually g I didn't want other
people to fund it because I
>> funding operations. If you think about
it, for every $100 I give to operations,
it gets another giver. So my $100 turns
into 15 $2,000 20. Like that's the
biggest return on on my Tedducka
investment. Why would I want to share
that with anyone?
>> Most people don't talk that way. So we
need to back up and find out who the
heck you are.
>> Where did you grow up? Who are you? And
just lay it on me. This is like, you
know,
>> this is a question, right? Like I
want I want to marry you. Who are you?
Where are you from? Who are your
parents? What camps did you go to? What
schools did you go to? What got you
interested in giving? What challenges
have you faced as a child in growing up?
Uh were you the bully or were you
bullied?
>> You know, did you go through stresses
and anxieties? Like what got you to the
point in life where you wanted to fund
an operation that will continuously
give? What you just said is not
something that somebody wakes up with in
a morning and just says, "Oh, that's my
personality." It it comes from
somewhere. And I'd like to break that
apart a little bit and find out a little
bit more about who Schlommo is.
>> Oh my goodness. Where do I begin?
>> Um,
where'd you grow up? I was born in
Israel.
>> Okay. Who are your parents?
>> My parents are Israeli. They we still
speak Hebrew at home.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Offie.
>> Yeah. As a gift. [laughter]
>> I feel bad I don't do it with my kids,
but um they hear it through my from uh
my parents. Grew up in LA. We were born
in Israel though.
>> Born in Israel. I moved to LA when I was
seven.
>> Right away. Oh, seven. Okay. You got
seven years in Israel.
>> Seven years. Yeah.
>> What community?
>> No.
>> Nebro.
>> Stop it. They wouldn't let those socks
or that shirt in. [laughter]
>> No. It's probably why I wear them.
>> So, you go up as a dosi.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Am I saying that right?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, ultraorththodox.
>> Oh, that's or notish. But ultra
>> Yeah.
Right. Like that area.
>> Yes. Very close.
>> Okay.
>> Right. Okay. Cool. So you grew up very
Israeli.
>> Yeah.
>> And your parents were very Israeli.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> But very Israeli.
>> Where were they from?
>> From their parents are from uh Budapest,
Germany, Poland.
>> Got it. Okay. So they went through the
uh Holocaust. Uh
>> my uh one grandparent went through the
Holocaust, escaped right before the the
one from Germany. The others escape
moved to Israel before.
>> So they went to Israel when Israel was
being built as a country in general.
Yeah.
>> Beautiful. Okay. So at 7 years old, uh
guys, we're not um in this challenge
anymore. We're going to LA.
>> What happened?
>> Yeah. My uncle lived in LA and offered
my father uh a job.
>> Okay.
>> So we moved there. I remember getting
into the my uncle's Cadillac with with
like fancy leather and I I still
remember the smell. It was unique
experience.
>> How many siblings are you?
>> I'm one of five.
>> One of five. So you all went together or
they were all born
>> at that time. We were only three. The
two younger ones were born in
>> So you were the oldest?
>> Yeah.
>> Wow. So you're the oldest boy of an
Israeli young family
>> moving to LA. You come to America and
you get entered into a Cadillac and
you're like, "Wow, what's happening
here?" Okay, I love it.
>> It was a
>> Wow, say the least. Okay, we didn't have
a lot of money. Uh, one thing that kind
of defined who I am. One year, um, my
brother had a birthday and he really
wanted this calculator watch at the
time. I'm aging myself here.
>> I remember those. Come on. It was fun.
So, I bought it for him. I surprised him
and I gave it to him and I think like
within an hour or two it broke.
Oh no, what do I do? Before he even
realized I went back to the store and I
bought him a second one and that felt so
good.
Um, I think that thinking back I think
that's probably my first experience of
really enjoying giving
a sec like not just giving giving a
second time when you when it's not
expected or finding a way to give.
That's to me that's still exciting.
So, um, fast forward high school I was,
uh, I was bullied. I was definitely
bullied.
>> Well, you're Israeli. You're coming into
LA. I mean, come on.
>> I don't blame them almost.
>> It was not fun.
>> I mean, like, wow, right.
>> Yeah. I mean, you went through that
process then.
>> Yeah.
>> Did you complain to someone? Did you go
home? Did like
>> There was nothing to do.
>> Nothing to do.
>> You just put up with it.
>> Yeah. They skipped me in Hebrew and I
was behind in English and so I had to
while everyone was playing recess, I was
moving class my my desk across the
playground.
>> That's very tough.
>> Yeah.
>> High school, I went to Ner.
>> Oh.
>> To uh Yeah. And then for Yeshiva, I went
to Rabbi Zwisha in Florida which was
mind expanding. Really taught me how to
think.
>> From what perspective?
>> Um, this is so unique. Friday night when
he sat with us, he would ask questions
on the para and not answer them no
matter what. Like he will not answer
them. So we'd have to like talk amongst
ourselves and find answers and then go
to him and see if we got it right. I
love that. It taught me how to think
critically.
Um years later when I decided to write
uh dwar and every aliyah of every para I
started with his shurim. Whatever I
could get out of there I did and then I
supplemented with other sources.
>> Wow.
>> So that that really was the beginning of
my
religious journey.
>> So you're you're in Florida high school.
There's a high school in Florida that
you uh no yeshiva base madish.
>> Oh b madish. Okay. So it's after Yeah.
>> Got it. Okay. Okay. So it's after Narius
Stroll you're saying so Narius Stroll to
this Florida base
>> medish
>> and I'm just curious as a person
throughout your life until you went to
Florida and this
>> yeshiva how were you with recognizing
God religion
um just that whole that whole world
where were you up to did you recognize
it? Was it you know relevant?
When I was six,
I was biking with in Israel, biking with
a friend and um remember seeing a car
backing out of the driveway and I'm like
I remember thinking, "Oh, I hope I don't
fall where that car is going to be." And
I did. I fell. And because I thought of
it, I froze. I'm like, "Oh my god, it
what I actually was fearing actually
happened." And I froze. And my friend
knocked, you know, banged on the on the
window and stopped the car and I was
fine. I at that moment,
I thought, "Hashem, you got me."
That's when I realized that Hashem was
always with me.
And since then, like I traced it
throughout my life, I always have that
knowing I'm good.
It's a It's a thread. Wow. That thread
that took you to where you are today, to
where I am today, to my friendships. And
it really is that thread. When people
see it, they recognize it and they want
it. And it's it's like a flame. It's
easy to transfer.
>> That's, you know, this story is amazing
to me on so many different levels. Um,
there's a lot of people that get
transported from America to Israel. The
families that do aliyah,
>> there are families that go from Israel
to America like yours did. And
>> there are children that grow up in this
process. And many of them have
challenges throughout the process. But
hearing this, uh, you know, first of
all, your parents had the foresight or
insight to put you in the right schools,
>> right, which helped tremendously.
>> Yeah. Um, I'm curious what else happened
then after that, like how your life
evolved because here's a kid that came
from Ben who's suddenly sitting here in
front of me today and who's accomplished
so much and you you learned everything
that was put in front of you. So kudos
to you for recognizing all those
different parts that Hashem sent you.
Um, and I want to learn more from that
in terms of that process. So after you
finished base medish like what what did
you do to go out there and you know
start a family or get a job like tell me
through that pro take me through that
process of a young immigrant
>> you know and how you ended up doing all
that and what you learned from that or
something that your parents taught you
of how to evolve and become who you are
today.
>> Wow.
It
>> it was a challenge. It was not easy. My
first years I I dated I started dating
when I was 21 because that's what was
expected. I ended up going out with 116
girls. My wife was number 116.
>> Wow.
>> Um
>> this is how that came up. I'm just so
glad [laughter]
>> it was rough.
>> You knew that, didn't you?
>> Of course.
>> You knew if I was going to say it.
>> Yeah. You wanted to see what
>> I was going to try and get you to make
him say it, but I mean you ask him. But
ask him how many girls.
>> But I'm proud of it. I'm proud that it
took me that long and I appreciate my
wife so much more.
>> Who was paying for all those dates?
>> Uh yeah, I had to do that, too. My
parents covered me for the first little
while.
>> Wow.
>> And then uh yeah, when I moved to New
York because it wasn't happening, the
the thing wasn't working.
>> So you were dating in LA and you weren't
finding the right girl,
>> right?
>> And after a certain period, you went to
New York.
>> Yeah. I I had to make there's so much
pressure flying to New York to date for
the weekend and then coming back. You
really you have to decide right away if
you're if she's the one almost
>> because the amount of people that you
have choices for in LA are limited, I
guess.
>> And I'm going back to LA and Yeah. Yeah.
I I would date LA girls in New York.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. Because everyone everyone went to
New York. It wasn't
>> This is really important, by the way,
because I do love this topic of dating
and, you know, finding the right one.
And I see a lot of people that get
frustrated because it's just not going,
you know, and um this is giving people
hope in hearing about this and just
recognizing that you just have to keep
going through it. So I want to learn
more about it. So
>> you you moved to New York. I want to
hear about these challenges and and of
course you know number 116 was the right
one,
>> but I I'd like to know what went through
the process of oh my god I just finished
my hundth girl and I'm giving up and
like take me through that process if you
can.
I I made it a point to learn something
from every girl that I dated. And I
remember after I think it was about 80,
I there were no more lessons to learn.
So So why am I going through this? And I
remember one time walking down the
street crying, just not knowing what why
why is this happening to me? I remember
crying, yelling at nobody to Hashem.
Um,
but the truth is that the amount of pain
you go through translates to to the
pleasure and and gold on the other side.
Once you do find the right one, you see
that it's all worth it. And the truth is
that marriage at the beginning wasn't
was also rocky. But that it's it's like
the darkness turns into light. It's not
that you lose the darkness. I'm reading
a lot of secrets these days. It's not
that you the darkness goes away and now
you have light. The dark turns into
light. I I really truly feel like the
dark days of my marriage, the dark days
of of being single is now the light of
my life. And so whatever darkness you're
going through, just wait. It gets that's
how light it's it will be. That's
honestly how how I see it. Yeah, I I
feel it. I enjoy learning about the by
the way. So, you can keep going. I have
that brownish and shul, by the way. So,
>> that's good. I used I've used that for a
day. I I buy them for literally every sh
I visit because it's my favorite thing
to talk about on Shabas is that until I
learned about this kabad brownsh I would
not know what the Torah is talking about
cuz it's like in riddles almost
sometimes but it just makes it more into
a legible story something that you can
read and it makes sense to you and I as
you might imagine to write a dvarra in
every ali of every para is timeconsuming
and you have to go through a lot of
sources you know some some aliyah are
three sukum song and there's not many
commentaries, right? So, I've had to go
through a lot and the amount of beauty
beauty that I'm learning now from
is staggering. How how how has this been
kept for me for all these years? That's
how I feel. I'm like, right, it's
every week you're putting out Torah on
every aliyah. Is am I hearing this
correct?
>> Yeah.
>> It's an enormous amount of time.
>> Yeah. They've been written so but I send
them out on WhatsApp now for for those
who sign up.
>> Wow. Okay. Um so and and they're very
pointed type of ver like
>> practical
>> practical stuff. Can you tell me
something you wrote recently that you
can share with us? I mean there was so
much going on in these weeks paras. I
mean
>> love to hear something that like you
know how you put it together. You're
looking you're not only looking for
kabad sources you're looking for any
source right. Oh, I'm actually thinking
of of writing another another set of
deter using uh
>> because you have nothing else to do with
your time,
>> right?
>> Might as [laughter] well. Yeah. Okay.
>> If you want something done, you ask the
busy people, right?
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> Yeah.
>> So, yeah. Um, tell me something that uh,
you know, we're reaching the the month
of L and I'm I'm on the journey now of
making sure that I go into L and I go
into the new year not scared, not
nervous, not thinking I'm going to hell
because I did something bad. I I I'm I'm
on a journey now and I hope that my
listeners are with me of finding the
love and the happiness of going into L
and uh and and Rashashana at the
beginning of the new year and Yum Kipur.
So, I'd love to hear anything that
>> connects. Do
>> you want a minute to think? Yeah. Okay.
You think you think for a minute and
I'll just take a take a second to tell
you that I actually wanted to bring you
a gift and I forgot it. It's a book
called really want to call it a saver
called Pine Hashem and um it is it's
blown my mind. It's anonymous
and this book it just goes into
and I I'm from from birth and I' I've
learned Torah my whole life and I
literally feel as I now I'm reading for
the second time where I literally just
feel like how could I not how could
someone have never taught me this. I'm
on fire like every time I read
>> it's synonymous though. What does that
mean?
>> No one knows who wrote it.
>> No one knows who wrote this book. And
you're blown away by the by the
>> blown away. beyond blown away like okay
I I I bought I I just
>> you got me a gift and you didn't give it
to me I appreciate [laughter] it I got
it I got it next time yeah but look you
can get on Amazon for your listeners
trust me I'm telling you will thank you
p hashem it's on Amazon
>> and it's in English
>> it's in English
>> but not complicated English
>> not complicated it's super deep like
literally as you read it you read I read
like like I read like 15 pages every
shabas took me like six months to finish
reading and it changed my life it
literally now it changed the way I davin
it changed the way I make braas it
changed the way I understand Hashem
change the way I understand myself.
>> Give me a little bit of anecdote of what
you're referring to if you don't mind
when you say this. And then we have to I
guess
>> while Schlommo is really, you know,
thinking about it, we're going to have
to get a little bit into your life,
Jonathan, because you're saying, you
know, from I'm really enjoying this. We
should stick with [laughter]
>> Sorry, buddy. We're on to you now.
>> I'm actually really excited cuz like,
you know, I'm kind of more the the front
man for daily giving, right? So, I've
been on a lot of podcasts. This is
Schlom's first podcast. I'm so excited
to to be here [laughter] with him and uh
shine shine the light on this on this uh
this light. So
>> I love it. So So you know, you're saying
you're from from birth and you're
relearning it again. That's very
important to me and I like
>> you feel like when you read this Torah,
you you feel like it it's MS. Like you
just reread it.
>> Give me a practical example again. We're
going into L. We're supposed to be
scared. We're supposed to say, "Oh my
god, I can't believe I did this and I'm
so sorry."
>> Yeah, that's Look, we went to yeshiva.
That's how we were taught. We were
taught things like God is like God is
the angry man in the sky and if I do
something bad I'm going to burn, right?
Like that's like I don't know it sounds
like how you were right and so many
people still feel like that, right?
>> I mean why Jacobson
he he says he he said this thing I he
said so many things that are just
amazing but this really this one little
anecdote he said a couple years ago like
really changed my life. He talked about
aasm and hashem. Now Hashem for most
people is a little easier to understand
like love of God. Like so it says like
Hashem loves us more than a parent loves
his his child, right? Now like that's
like that and that language, right? Cuz
as a parent, right? Like you you don't
really don't really know what love is
till you have your own child, right? And
then and then you understand what love
is more, right? So So why does he use
the words Hashem loves more than a
parent? Because like that's like for
anyone to say like that's that's the
most love you could have is for a child,
right? Right? Hashem loves us more than
that. So, so that's a hashm it's a
little easier for us to understand for
some people. Some people are just trauma
God, you know, just it's it's all
trauma, right? Like some people have a
really hard time with God and I
understand it, right? But but that's one
thing for me. I didn't have a problem
with I was Hashem. I had a problem with
your Hashem, fear of God because I was
taught like if you do this, you're going
to burn. If you do this, you're going to
burn. Like and and so then that brings
an unhealthy love of an unhealthy
relationship with God also. So Raway
said something about yours, Hashem. He
he explained it in a way I never heard.
He basically said I won't you know I
can't do it justice but I'll try just to
you know forgive me. Um but he said he
said let's say you're you're you have a
business trip and you have like a I
don't know 20our flight to Vietnam and
you get off the flight you're exhausted.
You check in the hotel that your room's
not ready and they they give you a a
free drink at the bar. So you go to the
bar and there's this beautiful woman
sits down next to you. She starts
talking to you and the next thing you
know you wake up in the morning and you
sinned.
Now he said let's say that person has
the most incredible relationship with
his wife. I mean bar none like he has he
shares everything complete vulnerability
the closest relationship with his wife
and he wakes up in the morning his first
thought is not even if she knows doesn't
matter if she she's not going to find
out the feeling of oh my god what did I
do
that is yours Hashem
it's the fear of ruining the closeness
and the relationship with God that is
the punishment
right so and I I feel this in bones.
Since then, I understand like that the
closer I feel to God, the better my life
gets. When I feel when I do something
that is misaligned from whatever that is
to myself, I feel like I'm doing
something that I I'm not proud of or
whatever. It just feels like I shouldn't
be proud of that. Then I feel down. I
feel that that brings that that is the
punishment. That is the punishment.
We're not like news flash. There is no
hell. The hell is you are you're going
to have you're not going to be close to
God. Now some people don't understand
that and I understand it's almost like
it's it to me and understanding where I
have gone from and and everything to me
like I I I've lived it so I know I know
it's MS when I'm when I'm close to God
when I feel close to God like that is
winning in life.
>> You you won me over by the way. I I love
that. I I really love that explanation
and it's really deep. uh we're saying it
like in a second and you know why has
the theatrics behind it when he talks
about it.
>> Yeah.
>> But that's what is like is like
reminding you. It's like reminding you
you know like we're taught like you
learn the whole Torah and then like you
know they go like when you're a baby in
your mom's womb and then they like like
they pinch your nose and then you forget
everything.
I feel like that's what when I read and
I and I literally I'm like yes yes MS
MS. This is the truth. This is the
truth. It's like a reminder. It's like
revealing what was already there. It's
not like I I'm learning for the first
time but I'm like oh my god this is
true. So inem you know he talks he
brings so many basic things he's talking
about and Israel and
we're not talking like you know
complicated we're talking about like the
the like the regular stuff we say every
single day. I now literally when I say
you know I think of something else. When
I say I think about something else but
he goes he explains it he explains the
the each word in a different way that
you've never understood. You're like he
just spins the whole thing. You're like,
"Mic drop. Mic drop. Mic drop."
>> Wow. Thank you for that, Jonathan Schmo.
We're coming right back to you. Speaking
of mic drops, this is a an entire mic
drop for me moment. Speaking to someone
like you who is writing Torah and
putting it together and putting it out
there. You mentioned NCSY. I want to get
to that. I want to understand how you
got involved in NCSY. Why did you get
involved? What do you learn from it? And
so on. I want to get into that in a
minute. But let's go back to, you know,
finding something that's relevant to
what we're talking about here and
anything that you can share.
>> Yeah. So, use a source cuz I need the
the it says
you are all here for
happy birthday. Thank you. Thank you.
>> What stands out? What doesn't fit?
>> What is that? Which one doesn't fit?
>> Which one doesn't fit? I don't know. I
don't even know what it means.
[laughter]
>> So, the heads, your tribes, your elders,
your policemen, and everyone else.
>> Okay,
>> tribes. It's not a It doesn't represent
a particular person. It's just this
vague concept of a tribe. What does that
mean? So, Rabbi Fry Mvvis explains that
tribe refers to the leaders, the
teachers, the anyone who takes on a
position of responsibility.
That is something you choose.
So when we choose to be leaders, it's on
us to be the proper leaders to do it
right.
>> Beautiful. So that's the connection of
the and the and everyone else.
>> So it's not just this vague terminology.
When did you realize you were a leader?
Cuz you're an obvious leader. What when
when did this happen? We we got to the
part that you're getting married and,
you know, and we're talking about
relationship with, you know, our better
halves, right? And I do want to get into
that topic in general because I I
believe truly that the relationship that
you have with God is a reflection of
your relationship that you have with
your spouse. And
>> there's so much to that to talk about.
And um
>> guys, we met at a spa,
>> okay? In a hot tub.
>> In a hot tub. And what what I was blown
away about you guys, not just the two of
you, is the group of friends that you
had together. And I'm not going to lie
to you, I have I have quite a few
friends, but I was still a little bit a
little a tinge jealous when I saw you
guys. And it wasn't because you were
frolicking in the hot tub and you were,
you know, laughing and enjoying each
other's company. It's because
you guys, and it's not just the two of
you. There's a group of almost 10 of
you. I think there's a little bit more
than 10 already, right?
>> 10.
>> It's 10. It's it's it's on purpose. 10.
Okay.
>> We had nine for a long time and we
>> Okay. So, you have a minion of friends,
right? The 10 of you
are ridiculously connected mentally,
spiritually, emotionally, and then what
I saw physically. Now, you're going to
say physically? What are you talking
about? You guys were talking about deep
topics and you were sharing with each
other information about your lives and
about your challenges. And that's what
turned me on to coming to talk to you
guys. You were physically on top of one
another. You don't even notice it, but I
noticed it from the outside. I was like,
"These these guys are connected on a
level that I've never seen friends do in
my life. I've been connected to
friends." But then as the evening
continued and we got out of the hot tub
and we went to the spa and then we went
to the to the room there together to
relax and talk, I noticed that you guys
were really really really connected and
on a next level. So like I definitely
want to dive into that and who you guys
are as a group and what the heck is
going on with you guys. I mean
>> why is there only one of you that's
Kabad with a beard and why are the rest
not? I want to know that also. But I'm
joking about that, of course. But again,
we're breaking it down. So who are you?
How did you become that leader person
that can do these types of things and
look into these things and put it out
there to the world and be the leader of
a tribe? You are the leader of a tribe,
Schlommo. You're putting information out
there to thousands of people and you are
essentially a leader of a tribe. It's
your own tribe that you created. So, I
want to learn about that. You know, we
spoke about NCSY before.
>> Yeah. T take me through that journey of
yours of getting married and being a
part of organizations. What made you be
a part of it? How just just try to think
back a little bit and tell me what it
was about you?
>> Wow. What question?
>> I don't think you've ever heard.
>> This is amazing.
Michael Ramor offer
>> the it started when I ran a chapter for
NCSY in LA shard villa and they asked me
the shul asked me to write a bulletin
and so I read I wrote an update what the
the youth program is doing
>> at what age
>> I was 23.
>> Okay. So you were
>> past the two years of of Florida. I was
back in in LA back in college
>> dating.
>> Sure.
>> Um and then I thought I had an epiphany.
>> I'm writing anyway. Why not share adv?
It's an opportunity to to say something
meaningful to these people who may or
may not like even if they're not looking
for it, let them
uh get something valuable out of it. And
so I did that and then over the years I
accumulated uh
a few diver Torah and they were short. I
like it short. I like it short and
practical. Nothing esoteric. Something
they can that people can use. I was an
NCY and these NCSires had shabbatones
and they needed to speak and they needed
to say Torah and they knew I had a
duvarra. So they asked me for for my
dvarra. I'm like, of course, I ended up
with so many of them, like it made no
sense to just gatekeep it. So, I
published I published a book called The
Weekly Dar.
Um,
my favorite story is one time in Shul
Shilo, my father and my brother and I
went to Schul and the rabbi didn't tell
me he was going to do this, but he his
Friday night Torah was mine. And my
father was, oh my god, he melted.
>> Wow.
>> He melted. And I I cried that he was
proud of me and I cried that the rabbi
thought of it and it was just a
beautiful moment. Like why wouldn't I
want more of that? So that that I I I
don't see myself as a leader, but I
guess if you defined, you know, sharing
Hashem's beauty as you leading that
effort, then sure.
>> So tell me about NCSY then. you got
involved in at a later date, right, in
your life? I was in high school. Yeah.
>> So, you're getting involved in them and
you went to their outings, you went to
their programs.
>> Shabbatim. I was known as Mr. NCSY.
>> Why? How? How did you become known as
Mr. NCSY? NCSY is a huge program. Like,
you have to be a somebody to be a
somebody in NCSY, right? So, what is it
that you did that connected people?
I focused on not the main crowd but
those kids in the back that didn't have
anyone to connect with. That's who I
connected with. Um and and the more I
saw that the more I realized what I
someone needs to be doing this and no
one is. And so I had to I shish you got
to do what you got to do.
>> So I'm the guy in the back and I'm on a
program and I'm alone. What are you
doing?
So, I developed this game. I I don't
think you know this either.
>> If you take a bottle cap and you flip it
a certain way,
>> I am the best at I I can hit any target.
I'm not kidding.
>> Okay. Can you hit it against the wall
and have it come back to you?
>> Oh, I've never done that before.
>> It's a skill. It's a skill. Plus, I can
curve it. It could throw it a certain
way and it it goes around people.
>> That was my stick.
>> Are you really good at it?
>> We got to play this later. I do I do
this at like Chevro, you know, when I'm
sitting and it's boring and there's a
speech. I'll take a bottle cap like that
across the room.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> But I'll make sure not to hit the person
in the face, obviously.
>> Oh, I can I when I was good, I could
drop it. I could drop it into that cup.
>> There's no way. Get him a bottle cap.
[laughter] There's no way.
>> That's great. Okay, so what do you do?
So, you come over to me. I'm alone. I'm
quiet,
>> right? Yeah.
>> We start playing games and talking and,
you know, they open up, right?
>> They just need someone to, you know,
share,
>> right? is you're you're finding the
common ground. You're finding something
easy to connect with someone
>> and saying, "Hey, let's
>> for whatever reason, people connect with
me. I connect with them."
>> I see that now that I I I'm starting a
new coach coaching career and people
just I'm not even ready to advertise
being a coach, but people just approach
me. I have, you know, I want to tell you
something. Rabbi Kaish um Waterberry, he
was once asked about his amazing memory,
how it's possible that he remembers
everybody's brother and sister. And his
simple answer was cuz I care.
>> When you pay attention because you care,
you start to remember. I think that's
what I'm getting out of you. You're
you're [snorts] very very attentive. You
know how to pay attention. You're paying
attention though to the things most
people are not paying attention to,
which I think why you jumped at this
daily giving opportunity and it's why
you did the NCSY thing and and it's just
something to learn from in terms of
knowing that this is something that if
someone's not paying attention to
something, you're paying attention to it
and that is really an amazing thing. So
I want to learn more about I want to get
a little deeper into that. So, you're
you're getting involved in NCSY, you get
married,
you're living where at this time when
you first got married?
>> Riverdale.
>> Riverdale. You already had a job at that
point.
>> Yeah, I was doing NCSY full-time. I was
the regional director of Westchester.
>> Oh, okay. And Riverdale.
>> The Westchester chapter and Riverdale.
>> Region. Okay. Okay. So, you're really an
NCSY guy. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, you're in charge of this
program of this region and this is your
full-time job?
>> Full-time job for two years.
>> My goodness. Okay. So then how did you
come to doing what you're doing now? I
mean tell me about that.
>> Yeah.
>> Because a lot of people by the way I
just want you to know that
>> um I I love doing career guidance. I
think you I mean right
>> and we talk about this topic a lot like
what should someone do when they come
back from yeshiva
>> a 20 21 year old boy or girl. I mean
girls they tend to have better ideas of
all the T's the OT's this T right there.
And there's like you know there's a path
uh forward nursing teaching. So, which I
which I think is great, but for guys
it's very very challenging. You went to
running an NCSY program and it took you
on a path of success and I think it's
great. I and and I want to learn from
that. So, I'd like to learn how you did
that and what what happened.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, so I had an MBA and the well, not
how I got the NCSY gig, right? How I
moved on from that.
>> Yeah. I asked for a raise and they said
no. [laughter]
>> That'll do it. Yeah.
>> Thank god they said no.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
>> is that interesting how that works?
Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. One door closes. And I'd
done some day trading on the side. And
that experience was good for someone in
the White Plains community who just got
a bunch of money to run. And he needed
someone who doesn't know what they're
doing, who he could train to do it the
way he likes to do it. He wants it done.
And so he taught me Excel. He taught me
everything I know. He He changed my
life.
>> Wow. Let's shout him out. I mean it's
>> he passed away a couple 12 years ago I
think it was
>> Shamash and Aliyah then David Geller.
>> David Geller. Wow. Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Beautiful soul.
>> That's amazing. So he taught you this
world and took you on as like a mentor I
guess.
>> Yeah.
>> What are the things that you learned
from him?
>> Uh
as little human interaction with numbers
as possible.
>> What do you mean by that? If you have if
you can have it work in Excel where
you're not actually fussing around with
the numbers, you're better off.
>> I see. Let the systems do the work.
>> Find create a system. The spreadsheet I
have now is beautiful. It runs itself.
You just feed the numbers that you need
to feed it and it
>> would love the world of AI we have now.
>> Yeah.
>> Are you utilizing AI at all in your
life?
>> Not enough.
>> Okay. Okay. That's fair
>> to help me with that. Um guys, I I do
want to get to the point of knowing how
you guys all became this group. And were
you always Kabad? I want to just touch
upon that for a second.
>> Not not until we met our friends.
>> Oh, that this was a cohesive group of
people that became Kabad together,
you're saying? Or no, like four or five
of them are Kabad, like grew up. Some of
their parents are like, like they
literally grew up in the footsteps of
the Reb.
>> Okay.
>> Um like their parents are, you know,
very much Kabad families. And the rest
of you
>> and the rest of us just love love love
we love what the Rebi stands for. We
love for we love Akas. We love we just
love juice. We love
>> fascinating to me because
>> like if I if I can meet one person in
all in the history of the you know the
world if I can meet one person I want to
sit with it like like that. I just
always felt akin to his soul of
>> what would you ask him?
>> Oh on the spot what would I ask him?
How do I get 15 million juice to give
stuckad daily every day?
>> [laughter]
>> What a great question.
>> Wow. Okay. Uh, that's a good one. You're
passionate about growing this daily
giving thing, and I love that. Uh, we
got to break you down a little bit, too.
I'm sorry.
>> I think we should stay a little slow.
>> You're not getting away with it. You're
not getting away with it. You're from
Minnesota.
>> Yeah.
>> Um,
>> shout out to my parents who just moved
to Tene, New Jersey. They were 50 years
in Minnesota, and they moved last week.
>> Wow. What a move. Congratulations.
>> All right. So, there's three Jews left
in Minnesota now.
>> It's It's bigger than people think. It's
it is a great place to grow up and uh
it's a wonderful community.
>> Yeah. No, it is a nice community. I do
have a couple of friends from there. So,
um they were always my nice out of town
friends which was which was always nice.
So, you grew up in Minnesota?
>> Yeah, I grew up in Minnesota.
>> Um where where's Tell me about your
family. Where's your family from? Where
your parents from? Tell me about your
journey of growing up in Minnesota.
>> I want before you get to me, I just want
there's Tell them about your grandfather
but that stuck also like there's
something both of our grandparents. I
just realized as we're talking, we both
have crazy
>> stories of our grand of our
grandfathers. What's with
>> I'm so happy you're saying this cuz I
love bringing up people's history and
where they're from. It's a big part of
>> So, you started like getting into his
history, but I just I I wanted to bring
up his grandfather.
>> You want to talk about his grandfather
first? Let's do that. So, your
grandfather that you mentioned earlier
from Hungary that
>> that lived in Ben.
>> Yeah.
>> He was Gabitaka.
>> Oh.
>> Of the schul. That was his that's why we
moved to Ben. That's why he moved to
Ben. Not because we were and because he
had that's what he did.
>> Got it.
>> And he used to he decided who got who
got saddaka for the shul and often times
he would he would give his own money
and one time he was taken advantage of
and he never recovered from that.
And I learned an important lesson.
If you're going to give, you make sure
it's the right person or the right
organization.
>> You got to back up a little bit. What do
you mean take advantage of? You got to
explain that. What do you mean?
>> He ran off with his money.
>> Someone ran off with the money, you're
saying?
>> Yeah.
>> So, he was he was responsible for a
certain amount of money to give to
someone to do something with that was
supposed to be for the community.
>> So, the community he he gave on he gave
what he was supposed to he gave
personally.
>> Oh.
And it it killed him.
>> Really? Wow. I'm sorry to hear that.
We're talking about I'm imagining a
large sum of money.
>> I don't even
>> for those days or whatever it is enough
to to really
>> really hurt him.
>> Yeah.
>> So, he stopped doing that after that.
>> Yeah. He he wasn't well after that. He
just
>> never recovered.
>> That was not the part of the story I
wanted to focus on.
But just the fact that his his
grandfather,
>> but also like Schlom like that's the
kind of person like he he he doesn't
just hear about Stuckas or direct
people. He's always giving his own money
towards the different stuckas. He was
like
>> it's in his DNA.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And I have a crazy DNA stuck story
too. So that's why it's like
>> please.
>> Um
>> so where are your grandparents from
then?
>> All four of my grandparents are
Holocaust survivors.
>> Oh wow. And um and I was always
particularly close with my mother's
father who was a um I think when there
were I think my mom was my mom was born
in a DP camp in Poland and then they
moved to Cambridge, Massachusetts. I
think first they were in Cleveland for a
very short amount of time and then my
became the shamas of a schol in in
Cambridge, Massachusetts where he he was
basically the spiritual leader of the
community for I think 60 years. He died
when he was 92.
And my most prized possession is a
migilla. uh that my ziti gave to me and
um I leaned from it every year and uh
it's like a fireproof safe and um he
gave it to me. I remember the day he
gave it to me and he said he was about
90 when he gave it to me and he said um
a man in my shaw gave this to me. He
said I got this from my grandfather who
got from his grandfather who got it from
his grandfather. He said, "But none of
my none of my grandchildren are know
what to do with this, so why don't you
give it to your grandchild?"
And um he gave it to me. And uh yeah, so
that's just a side point.
>> Wow.
>> But I was always very connected to to my
Zadei. And my Ziti um
he just to give an idea like literally
people thought he was a Lubnik. Like
that's the kind of person he was. And um
for many years when people ask me why do
you think you had this close of starting
daily giving? I was like well cuz mine's
80. Like it's not even a question. Um
and um and my Zadies, one of the stories
of uh Yol Gold did a video about my
grandfather and um
>> I wish she was there. It's his
brother-in-law, by the way.
>> Really? Oh, such a special guy.
>> So you could do it justice.
>> Yeah. You got this. So So basically my Z
was like
>> So there was a story.
>> Yeah. So he was like, I'm not
exaggerating. He was like 4'7. Like
really my like a small small man. And um
he was um basically the first day of the
war he was he was he was like um
teaching in a or something. They just
took him off. He never saw his family
again. They just took him away. And he
was in Siberia for 7 years in the gulags
in Siberia. And [snorts] he was this
little man and he would look around and
all these much bigger men. They're all
getting the same ration like less than
like a piece of bread for the whole day.
Um and he would break off his piece of
his bread every day and give it to
another man cuz he saw they were bigger
and they needed more. And you can
imagine that besides his other great
great things he did and why he
ingratiated himself with other people,
but that was one in particular. Um, one
day my Zadei he would get up early and
he put on fillain in secret in his in
the barracks and one day they raided the
barracks and they caught my Zadei with
his fillin on and they thought he was a
spy. They thought like somehow it was
some whatever and they wanted to make an
example out of him and they wanted to
kill him in front of everyone and so
they took him out and they there's like
a big circle and they literally were
like raising their guns to shoot him and
all the people these these all these
people he had saved were like yelling
and screaming and the two guards
literally thought they were going to
riot against him. So they put the guns
down and they decided to let him go.
And um and my Zadei like my my mom was
so poor like when they grew up like if
if the if the school would say you know
you need three pencils my my Z would be
like we could only afford one like they
really lived in poverty. My mom and her
two sisters they like shared a bed.
three three girls. They shared a
mattress like you know and um but every
single day when they came home they had
like this little um one day like a life
insurance salesman came by and like
listened to the pitch so they gave him
this like I have it now as a gift. It
was gifted to me this little sodaka box.
Well, it became my sodaka box where you
put a penny, a nickel or a quarter and
it counts. You you hit the thing and it
it's really cool. So the girls like
would love it and they would like
literally fight over who got to give
that day's penny into the stucka and
every single day even though they were
so poor they would give sucka and I
didn't find out that story till after
like several years after daily giving
started just to give you an idea like
DNA passing through of Teddaka.
>> Wow. Wow. It's amazing to see that both
of you come from that
>> world and you didn't even know that when
you met and it just connected all the
way through.
>> Yeah. It's like uh like you were saying
earlier, since you were six years old,
you know, God's been looking out for you
and connecting you to the right people.
Let's keep going, bro. We got to do
this. So, Minnesota, you're growing up.
You have siblings.
>> Yeah, three siblings. Three siblings.
>> Second. I have no sisters one year older
than I am. And then a younger sister and
younger brother.
>> Okay. What was it like? What was
happening there? What
>> was there's a great great school called
Tour Academy. Shout out Tour Academy in
St. Louis Park, Minnesota. Still there
today. It's uh and it was through 8th
grade. It was like a regular grade
upbringing, you know, small town. I
think I graduated 8th grade with like
maybe eight nine or 10 kids in my class
and my parents gave me a choice. They my
older sister who graduated a year before
me, she went to FR. She lived with my
aunt and uncle in Muny and they offered
her to live with them and she did. She
went and she went to FR but they already
had their own kids and my sister so they
they're like it was a lot. So they um so
they didn't really whatever it wasn't a
choice for me and my parents said do you
want to go to like a private school a
secular private school in Minnesota and
we'll give you you know you'll you'll
you'll have private Torah tutors or do
you want to go away to somewhere else
and so I ended up deciding to go to
Skoisha for 4 years.
>> What a decision to make by the way at
such a young age.
>> Yeah. And I'm thinking back like my
parents really left it up to me. They
really did. They did not like looking
back and there's a lot of things that
they did, you know, they never I never
felt pressured into any decision I made.
They really supported me and in all the
decisions I made and going away at 13
years old to high school. It's it's uh I
mean like I have a 19-year-old and a
16-year-old. Like just thinking now like
how young I was. I mean it really shaped
a lot of who I am and in fact some of
the skills that I think really served me
for daily giving I got from those days
being in in the yeshiva of of being the
out oftowner and like on Sunday I wanted
to go to someone's house to watch a
football game. I had to go ask someone
like, "Can I come over to watch the
football game?" Like, you had to you had
to you had to be able to if you didn't
fend for yourself. You didn't ask, you
know, and that and that was really the
start of me not being afraid to ask
people for things. And I think that's uh
you know, I was just talking to my
friend today about my favorite equation,
which uh you know, it probably some
someone listening will it'll help. It's
my favorite equation. It says S w cubed
over N, which means some will, some
won't. So what? Next. You're in
business. you run a successful business
and you know like we're always selling
doesn't matter what you're doing you're
always selling and so I just wasn't
afraid to ask like as a small so when I
when I started daily giving and we were
we were trying like I remember like we
started January 1st 2019 in March Lo and
I went to Apac together we brought a
thousand business cards and there were
none we we gave out a thousand business
cards we did not put them on chairs we
had a thousand conversations right and
out of those thousand conversations at
least 100 people at least 100 I'm being
at least 100 said this is Nob brainer.
We're for sure going to sign up. Guess
how many signed up?
>> 90.
>> Six.
>> Six out of a thousand. But I'm saying
the hundred were like, "We're going to
do it." That was a big lesson. Also,
just, you know, even for your listeners,
if if something we said today, if
something resonates and you and you
you're like, "Wow, that's a good idea."
I'm telling you for your listeners,
we're underelling how great Daily Giving
is. When you join it, you're going to
like it more than any stock you give to.
Uh it's daily.org And it takes literally
1 minute and then you could just pause
this podcast and go right now and sign
up. It takes literally 30 seconds and
you will, like I said before, we don't
realize the profound effect of giving
has on us because life is hard. We we we
all know a lot of people like and we we
the three of us, we're all super
blessed, right? And I mean, we're all
blessed. where it's like we won the
cosmic lottery to be born in this time
that we're Jewish that were born in
2000, you know, in you know when we were
born in the 70s or ' 80s, whatever,
right? Like and and we're living today
and we have all the this forget our
Teslas and our, you know, the air
conditioning like, you know, running
water and all the other stuff, right?
But we're so so so blessed. But life is
hard. There's so many things that we
that are difficulty and um and and
really I truly mean this. It's like
mitzvah mitzvah. I didn't understand
what that meant till right but like the
reward that you get for giving is that
you're a giver. That is the reward
because when you feel like when you know
in your heart of hearts like you're a
giver
that's what that's one of the things
that could really help you with self-
loveve right to really really know like
you're good
and so
and and it's really not always about the
amount it's the frequency so it's not
the dollar it's the daily and so it's a
muscle like that's what the Rambom says
right like oh just like a saying the
Rambom says no it's real right like if
you give and you give again and you give
again. Hashem made it so hard for us to
give. We work so hard for our money.
Now, except for Schlommo. Schlommo is
easy for him to give. He loves to give,
right? But for most of us humans, it's
actually really hard for us to part with
our money. And it's on purpose because
it's such an incredible thing for us if
we become givers and what it does for us
that we don't know. I didn't know. I
didn't know till now what it's like, but
now that I've become a giver, like I see
what it does. And so, it's a muscle. And
just like any muscle, you have to
exercise that muscle. And the more you
do and the more you do, the more it
grows and the more it grows. And then
before you know it, you're like, "Oh my
gosh, I'm a giver."
>> Let me ask you a question. You you you
guys know about giving and about
charity. And you mentioned something a
minute ago um a little while ago. I want
to touch upon that. You have a
rabbitical committee. Has anybody ever
discussed with you what you're allowed
to deduct before you give charity? And
Schlommo, I think I'm going to direct
this question a little bit more to you
because uh you know he Jonathan
mentioned earlier that you were the one
that created the system for 10% and you
spoke about it and you know you wanted
to make sure there's a process. You know
Excel spreadsheets. You guys both have a
rabbitical committee. I have a little
experience with this but I want to know
what you guys say. I uh I'm a young man.
I'm married with one kid and I make
$100,000 a year and um between my wife
and I and that's
after taxes $80,000
let's say right nothing went out to
expenses yet according to your
understanding of giving and what your
research has been because I know you
guys like to do research and you're
finding the truth and things so how much
of that do I have to give do I give 10%
% of the 100? Do I give 10% of 80? What
else can I deduct from it? Did you ever
research this topic before?
>> I mean, it's a it's a it's definitely a
mocus as you can imagine. Like there's a
lot of different opinions on
>> Okay. I'd like to hear your opinions.
>> Yeah. I would say that you pay you give
10% of the 80 of the net.
>> That's what I do.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Can you deduct anything? I would
say I was told at the time when you know
when we were starting out that education
kids educa education can be counted or
you can give you can use myer money to
pay for for Jewish day school or swarm
>> I see so just the Jewish part of the
school you ever think about that
>> they separate interesting
>> you you haven't you guys haven't thought
about this more than this have
>> I mean I have a little bit um like I was
just um talking to someone recently
about that I used to consider like I
said when before I and now I'm very
careful about 10%. So, and I'm very
passionate about this like about
starting donor advised funds. Like it's
so simple now. Like it's never been
easier where you could literally take
one minute and um go to the donor fund
pledger mia Jewish communal fund.
There's like there's endless.
>> My perms are so chilled right now
because $18 $36.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They're amazing. Right.
>> Whoever doesn't give to any of these
organizations is just missing out.
>> Let's let's take a minute to explain to
our listeners because there's actually
it's crazy. Some people still don't
understand this concept.
>> Please do go for it. So what a donor
advice fund is is that again you can go
to any of these websites you sign up um
I'm you know I'm not giving the mega
bucks right so there if you're giving me
bucks you could do where where they
actually let's say you have hundreds of
thousands in your sedaka fund they will
manage it and then the money can go up
right that's even possible you have to
have a minimum but I'm talking like this
is could be someone like a new I I love
talking to young people about this like
you get your first job start one of
these funds you go on it takes 5 minutes
to sign up literally and then every time
you get paid. Like Schlommo taught me
this for years. Slow-mo had a segregated
account. So every time he got paid, he
just moved 10% or whatever number he put
aside to the Tuck account like automat.
He had it done automatically. So what I
do with the donor advice fund is every
time I get paid, you know, checks,
whatever's the tax already been taken
out, I just go on the app. It takes 3
seconds. Boom, boom, I click it. Just
out of my bank account. Now it's in the
stock account. Now, as a just for a
second to talk about taxes, like now
that is fully taxdeductible for this
current year. It doesn't mean to give it
out this year, so you could decide, you
know, and I mean, I'm I I I'm a big fan
of giving it out and not keeping too
much in the account, right? Um, but
that's the basic gist of what a donor
advice fund is. And guess what happens?
What happened to me? I'll just tell you
speak for myself. When you do that,
you start giving more. And you give
more. It's so much easier to give when
it's in the Tedduck account. when
someone asks you for money, you're not
like, "Oh, should I should I?" You're
just like, "Yes." Like just to give you
an idea, you know, like these there's so
many like WhatsApp groups like asking
for. So I used to like my standards I
just asked 36 36 36 but then all of a
sudden like it's in there. So like all
of a sudden I did 72 and then I do 108
like just I don't even know who I don't
even read who I'm like it just it
becomes easier. The money has been put
aside and so it becomes so much easier.
And like I said I can just tell you how
I feel like I I know I'm a giver now.
Like I I and I gave in other ways before
like I was a counselor at camp ask like
I I was a good person but it's a totally
different thing. Um I I just I just
think that I've just seen it over and
over and over again in my own in my own
life like the more I give I feel like
the more braha I get. And not that you
should do it for braha like I I'm not
into that right like I really think like
get the reward you get for giving is
that you're a giver. That is the reward.
But um yeah it's it's it's the best. So
thanks to Schlommo taught me. I agree
with you and and kudos to the both of
you whether you're giving uh according
to your local Orthodox rabbi prior to
your child's education for Torah or not.
That's up to you, I guess.
>> Yeah. So, back to your question, right?
So, so I I now give it besides tuition,
10% besides tuition, but I I know there
are lots of rabbis that say, you know,
if you don't have if you don't have
enough to give,
>> right,
>> then your tuition counts,
>> right? And and I get it and it makes
sense. So, uh, you, uh, went through
high school in Skoi. Yep.
>> And then what I went to, what makes,
what makes someone like you become a
chiropractor is what I want to know. But
then what happened? Yeah.
>> Uh, so I spent a year and a half in
measerat, now known as MEVs, where my
son is now, Sha Beth there.
>> Nice.
>> Shout out to MES. And, uh, did a year
and a half there. And then I went to YU
for the rest of college.
>> Um, had a good experience there. I met
my wife in Israel, Shan Alf, like we
were like 17, you know, 17, 18,
whatever. So,
>> scandalous.
>> Scandalous. Yeah. So, um, yeah, we we
did it all through all through YU and
Stern and then, uh,
>> Wow. So, your first your first girl,
you're saying, I guess, I mean, first
real like real inverse of
>> Exactly. [laughter]
I had two other like whatever. Non, you
know.
>> Yeah. But this is meaning like as far as
when you're serious, ready to get
married type of thing cuz when you're
17, you're getting married, right?
>> Yeah. Exactly. That's it. Yeah. So,
>> so that's amazing.
>> Yeah. So, went through, you know, um,
>> so you went to YU and you moved weir
when you went back to New York.
Um I lived on campus in YU. Okay. Yeah.
And then during the summers I went home
to Minnesota. I was in Campass,
whatever. So um got married very young.
We got married at 21 and um
>> yeah, then I I I always I actually was
going to go into business. Um I always
had like a pretty good business mind and
I was inside Sims and then I went to
camp and I spent the summer seven weeks
taking care of special needs children
and I was like I really want to help
people. I just want to I mean um so I
decided to be a doctor and then it was
like a quest like what kind of doctor
want to become? I come from a family of
a lot of doctors. Um you know one uncle
is an infectious disease doctor, one one
of my older cousins is is an allergist.
One uncle is a podiatrist. Uh my sister
became a dentist you know so a lot of
different things and that was a quest
that I I I really always loved sports. I
loved playing sports. I love watching
sports. I love fantasy sport. I loved
sports and I knew that you know at 5'8 I
was never going to become a professional
athlete. So, I was like, "Okay, I want
to be I want to treat athletes." That
became my goal. And um I'm one of the
few chiropractors that like didn't
actually have an experience where I was
helped by a chiropractor first. I had
never been to a chiropractor when I
decided like, "Let me go look." And I
and I visited chiropractic offices and I
just I remember this experience where I
sat with this chiropractor in Minnesota
and I and I shadowed him for a day and
this um this this gentleman walked in
and he was like crooked. He like could
barely move and he said like his
daughter was getting married like later
in the week and he like he was like in
tears. He's like, he's like, I just want
to be able to dance at my daughter's
wedding. And I and I shadowed him that
week and I saw um this him just nurse
this guy back to health and he was able
to dance with his daughter at his
wedding and he was like the the amount
of cars I told this guy had, I was like,
"Wow, like I want to do that. Um I want
to help people get out of pain." And um
it's been a rewarding 20-y year
experience. And now I'm kind of seeing
patients much less as I kind of go into
daily giving more and more full-time.
And what a I always felt like, you know,
as a chiropractor, like one of the
biggest things that was amazing is like
the kadeshm I got to make like 90 over
90% of my patients are not Jewish and I
work every day and and and I have over
10,000 patients and I I remember this
one woman who came in from Jamaica um to
see me and and I I treated her for a
couple months and before she went back
and she told me that she was saying like
now cuz her her congregation in uh her
you know her her Christian congregation
in in in the Caribbean like they always
pray for Israel and but she never met a
Jew and now she's going to like think of
me every every time when they think of
you know pray you know praising Israel
like just there's so many opportunities
like I I I don't not no judgment but
like I I feel when like when Orthodox
Jews don't wear their kipa to work like
what a what a shame like what what a
lost opportunity of the keshm so I
always felt like one of the things I was
so proud of as being a chiropractor is
like the keshm I got to have so often
with non-Jews like I was the only
Orthodox person they ever met so really
really really love that experience.
That's amazing. So, you're not just uh
breaking people's backs, right? You're
not just cracking the knuckles and just
like Right.
>> Yeah. You know, we're like we're like
half half doctors, half like physical
doctors and getting them nursing back to
health and half like psychologists, you
know.
>> Oh, really? Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, a lot of
physical pain is emotional pain.
>> That's true. That is true. And and I've
I've experienced that as well. You know,
when you're stressed,
>> you know, suddenly you're feeling your
back is hurting and you're you know,
you're getting into pain and so on. So,
it's related.
>> Yeah, very much so.
>> The emot emotional and physical part,
which is great.
>> Uh, we're going to have to wrap wrap up
soon, but before we we we even think of
ending, we got to talk about your friend
group here. I need to know how um how
you guys connected. I mean, you know, I
I know Sadio is a big connector of all
of you guys.
>> Yeah, you have you have him on your
podcast.
>> He's coming on with his wife.
>> Oh, great. That's going to be a treat.
>> That's going to be a treat for all of
us. Yeah. And it's just a matter of uh
scheduling. we've been going back and
forth and uh he thank God he's busy
helping a lot of people. So it's just a
matter of um of figuring out the
calendar. So was was that the main
connector to all of you in terms of uh
meeting each other and just connecting?
>> Yeah, it's really it's an amazing story.
Um uh my uncle who's a podiatrist Dr.
Fessle in my um SA so first of all for
hippo reasons SA has told me very openly
he's okay me sharing this story that he
was my patient. So SA had uh severe back
problems and his wife stubbed her toe
and needed a podiatrist like they were
she was having pain in her foot. went to
my uncle and they actually had left his
office but and then he like Saja just
was in so much pain and he he was
getting into the car was like limping
into the car and his wife Mushki said
Saj why don't you go back and ask the
doctor if he knows a good back doctor
and he's like you know what they like
really connected with my uncle actually
sent to my uncle too and he likes him my
uncle's amazing and um and he went back
into the office and um and asked him do
you know good back doctor and my uncle
gave him my And it was during COVID and
Saji came to me for a couple months. He
had a really severe problem. And I mean
the first like 6 months I knew him like
we we had masks on. I didn't even know
what he looked like, you know. And um
you know he'll tell you this like again
it was like I was his I was his
chiropractor. I was his psychologist and
we became really close. And um and
>> he recommended Saja for me cuz at the
time I was having uh issues, marital
issues. And so I hired Saja and he
absolutely changed our lives.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. And so
>> you're saying a lot where you just
dropped on me like that like
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So
>> what what who who is he like who was he
to you when you met him like what was
the other
>> So he was my patient and we became
friends. They teach you in chiropractic
school. Don't become friends with your
patients. I never listen to that. I I I
play golf with lots of my patients and
uh yeah I just never it's just not who I
am. So we became very close and it was
Saja's 40th birthday.
and um and um one of his close we had a
mutual friend that we knew we were
friends with. So Joey Davis who's one of
the founders of Torah Anytime also has a
daily giving on that organization. So uh
called Joey were like let's make a 40th
birthday party for Sajia. So we did and
there were like eight or nine of us
there and that was the beginning and
really
>> yeah that was the beginning it was a
magical night.
>> I came just cuz I knew him cuz I had
already introduced him. I had already
introduced Sadia. So um He you got
introduced to him as a coach as a
>> started out as a coach someone as a
coach as a
>> and then stopped using him as a coach
but then he became a friend.
>> Wow. So this so the birthday part is
what put you all
>> birthday party in in fact like I didn't
know everybody there. There's like I
think four guys I didn't know like you
know
>> that he brought her.
>> Yeah. It was his birthday like two of
his brother-in-laws came.
>> Yeah. And they're part of the group now.
>> They're part Yeah. They're like our best
friends in the world. Like Yeah. And
like you said you it was funny. I
remember so clearly you getting into the
hot tub and within 5 minutes you're like
whoa guys can we just stop for a second
like what what Twilight Zone did I just
walk into cuz you saw the closeness and
like what we have is is very unique and
very special and
>> [clears throat]
>> uh
>> wow what I'm mesmerized about the most
is and it's just wild just I have to say
two things about this uh discussion
number one is I was six year years old
when I recognized Hashem and I fell off
my bike.
>> Wow. And when you said it, I had chills,
but I didn't want to interrupt you. So,
just connecting with you guys, even
connecting with you in the hot tub that
night and smoozing with you and just
realizing that you're there to help each
other, which is so phenomenal. Talking
openly about marriage and challenges and
and really figuring out how to get
through these humps together. It's just
phenomenal. Really, really is. And just
like I'm I'm appreciative of you guys as
a as a group of friends and just
listening to all of it and just
accepting it. But even more than that,
literally for the past two weeks, I've
been telling this to everyone who would
listen.
If you stub your toe, there's a good
reason why Hashem made you stub your I
swear I've been saying this for like
everyone around me. I'm like, because
you don't know that you're going to end
up going to a doctor and that doctor is
going to have a shock for your niece and
that's going to all
>> and that's why you stubbed your toe. And
I'm I I've been saying this for weeks
now and here you are telling me
>> the whole thing. entire group started
from
>> you you don't understand how many lives
have been changed from it because like
we're all we're all like broadcasters
you like we're all connectors we're like
you know there's SA there's
>> tell me who else is in the group so you
have the founder of Torah anytime
>> yeah one of the founders of Tora anytime
and um Schneer Hayes is a you should
have him on your podcast he's an
incredible healer he's an IFS therapist
somatic healer um the guy's changing the
world and uh he's just a powerhouse and
then you got um Barry Nash
who who I really actually want to take a
second because you asked about the
group. Like Barry Nash is very
passionate about men's groups. People
don't know what men's I didn't know what
a men's group was, but essentially we're
a men's group, right? And what is what
does that mean? Like what we don't
realize going through life is how
important male friends are because
there's a piece there's like Schlom and
I have incredible relationships with our
wives, but it wasn't always that way.
And what we understand now is that
there's certain things that are not
really better not to share with your
wife. Now I'm I'm not saying like hide
I'm not talking about hiding things but
there's certain like you understand when
you learn about masculinity and
femininity like what the you know
there's certain things that like you
know if you're if you're
there's certain things that it's better
to to go to a friend with and not burden
your wife with a certain thing or
whatever where where where she's not
going to feel safe right like a woman
wants to feel safe with her husband
right we're the giver and they're the
receiver I'm not going to do the whole
thing whatever right but that side is
well that side is that side is godless
you can get you can give you he'll be
here soon.
>> Look, I mean, yeah, he'll be here soon.
I would just say, yeah, so so men's
groups, what what's so powerful is when
you have group of of men who learn to be
vulner like we're what? We're we're
we're Orthodox shoes. We we were taught
that crying and vulnerability and and is
weakness.
And now all of a sudden, you learn that
when you when you when you share and
like there's literally the times there's
nothing we don't know. There's nothing
we don't share. Okay? When someone's
having trouble, we we all know about
every part of our our lives. like the
the the way we level each other up is so
incredible. So we'll we'll learn be
better husbands and better fathers and
better business people and better hashem
like you know go keep going you know
Mayor Goulson is like his his photo
coach like he taught his one of his
passion is like just teaches people how
to talk to Hashem so Barry Nash does
men's groups right like Moshi he is the
is the co-founder of charity and and the
the co-founder of Hatch these are like
you know like there's just powerhouses
right of Rammy Spitz like there's
they're just
each each one of us an Aussie wrestler's
brother. You know, there's the the the
>> I hope I didn't forget anyone.
[laughter]
>> You mentioned 10.
>> Oh my god, I'm going to feel really bad
if I forgot something. But but each one
like really like we each learn a certain
thing from each other. But back to what
I just want to say about men's groups
and understand that like what you saw is
that I mean I remember that night I
remember being in a room and I remember
like one of the guys was having struggle
a certain struggle with his wife and he
was so upset. He was so angry at first
we just like held space for him and just
like listened and and then and then it
happened to be that like I saw a
different perspective like I I actually
he was so angry about something with his
wife and after he finished like you know
ranting about it and we listened and we
held I said do you want us just to hold
space or do you want to hear my
perspective on it and he said no I
really want to hear your perspective and
I was prepared to not say anything and
then I was and then I and then I I
basically told him what I saw his wife's
perspective and because he was hearing
from me like a guy and I was just saying
like I hear you and I understand I
totally understand where you're coming
from and it's not easy. It's not right
or wrong. It's not you're right, she's
wrong or you're or she's right and
you're wrong. It's not that. It's you're
both right, but you this like like so
many things in Judaism, there's a
paradox like both two things can be true
at the same time. You're both right,
you're both wrong. You're both right,
but do you want to be right and happy or
do like right? It's about like she has
her feelings and you have your feelings
and feelings can't be wrong. So, if your
wife feels a certain way, this is like
like a lesson I've learned. Am I right?
Like, if if your wife feels something
and you think like, well, that's that's
ridiculous. How many times as husbands
do we feel like that's ridiculous when
our wife feels something? But like, it's
their feeling, so they can't be wrong.
So, do you want to do you want to be a
happy marriage and and and and deal with
that and or or and be right like, "Oh,
I'm right and she's wrong." or do you
want to like sit and hold space and and
a lot of times with women it's like you
know if you just if you just hold space
and let let women you know have their
emotions like we're not we're not as men
we're not comfortable we can't hold our
own pain that's the problem we haven't
learned to hold our own pain so we can't
hold our wives pain this is like in a
nutshell most marriage problem marital
problems right like us men cannot hold
our own pain we're constantly repressing
our own emotions we that's how we were
taught we're taught like crying is weak
and like you
Like I
>> parents tell us don't cry.
>> Yeah.
>> It's not just crying though, right? Like
it's it's like it's like vulnerability
is weakness and the different things are
weakness. So like when we learn like you
know when we learn to hold our own pain
and not repress our emotions and like to
go feel the pain and understand like the
the like the depth and like the the the
awesome the gold at the end of the
tunnel is in feeling our own pain. And
as a man which we've done a lot of and I
have done a lot of self work the last
four years, right? We've changed
completely. And really our marriages in
the last 4 years have I'm married 24
years it was 25 years like our marriages
have completely done a 180 like from not
great marriages or like it was we
thought it was okay to like out truly
outstanding marriages right and our
wives would tell you the same thing like
we're not we're not you know and and it
comes from really sitting with our own
pain because if we can say our own pain
then when our wives come with us with
their pain we're not like shutting them
off and shutting them down and getting
constantly I mean listen don't get me
wrong we're not sadik we I I we still
get triggered by our wives you know but
then you learn when you understand that
the trigger if you're getting triggered
by your wife or your kid it's not your
wife it's you it's something that it's
it's bringing it's a gift for you to
figure out what what is internally going
on there that's making you get so upset.
>> Wow. Uh I I've met people that their
wives don't let them hang out with their
friends and it it really bothers me. It
hurts me when I when I see that
happening and I have to have them escape
and I say, "Come to me in the afternoon
and let's just chill for an hour and
let's talk."
>> Yeah.
>> And it hurts me that that's happening in
the world. And uh this guy Nash that
you're talking about, we got to talk to
I think one I think every single one of
your You should have every single guy
I'm not even exaggerating.
>> I'm not exaggerating either. I want to
get it done and I want to talk about it
because men's groups
>> and putting men together and to feed off
each other is saving marriages. when we
come back, when we whenever we get
together, when we come back, what guess
what happened? Our wives saw like we
were different, better leveled up
versions of them. So they they literally
encouraged us to go away
>> instead of the opposite. In fact, nowad
[clears throat] the sad part is like
they they're all they're so envious of
us like they don't they they want to
have
>> I want to clarify something for a second
and and Schlommo and I want you to break
it down for me because you went through
this experience of understanding u
Sadia's you know remedies and I really
want to break it down for a second if
you don't mind. But before I do, please
do not mix this up with going out with
your friends to Oman or going with your
friends on a trip or going with your
friends to chill. That's not what you
guys are. I've seen it. I've seen it
live and I can attest to the fact this
is a meaningful, healthy physical,
mental, emotional, spiritual, financial,
you know, just complete vulnerable
relationship. You guys are feeding off
each other and you're helping each other
tremendously. You're helping your kids,
you're helping your grandkids, you're
helping your families. And I saw this
firsthand and I love talking about this
more and breaking it down. And I'm
committing to you. I am going to
interview every one of your friends cuz
I want to learn about every single one
of them, what they do, cuz every one of
them is fascinating just in their own
way. And I think that every person is
fascinating in their own way. But
knowing that you're part of one cohesive
group and getting the message out there
for both a women to encourage their
husbands to find friends like this and
make a group
>> and b for men to recognize that they
need this
>> and to share to be able to share wins.
That's another thing to be able to like
literally we cheer. We're we're each
other's biggest cheerleaders. When
someone is succeeding like we are
there's no jealousy. There's no jealousy
in this group. Like
>> how often do you guys meet?
>> It's erratic. Like sometimes it could be
it could be like we meet once one week
and then we do again a barbecue the week
after. It could be like
>> average weeks on average six times a
year,
>> 10 times a year more average once a
month, let's say.
>> I mean the best like we all went away to
Costa Rica in February. That was that
was amazing.
>> Okay, but we're not talking about every
day, every week. We're talking about
justic our WhatsApp group is active
every single day.
>> I guess what you're talking about is
intentional meetings. So, you know, like
I said before, we're going to have to
wrap up soon, but this is a topic that I
love. Relationships, and it's just I
can't get enough of these topics.
>> Parenting and relationships, by the way,
is the hottest topics that I love
talking about. Uh,
>> in general,
>> so important. So, I want to add
>> to what we were talking about.
>> So, I went to Sadia for one-on-one
coaching, and he was he was phenomenal.
But then to be able to put that into
action with my wife, but also like come
back with with feedback or or just to
practice on on other men how to be
vulnerable, how to hold space.
That part you don't get with one-on-one.
You have to actually do, right? I hold
space for my kids. They they light up
them.
>> Explain what hold space means. So some
people might not even know what that
means. Holding space is seeing them.
Think of yourself as the sky and you see
a cloud go through. Somebody, your kid,
your wife has an emotion, a reaction.
Something's wrong. Something is
bothering them. You don't you don't
fight a cloud with another cloud. You
hold space for it. You listen to it. You
you validate. You don't even try to
solve it. Just watch it. You're the sky.
If you do that, everyone feels safe.
They are safe. they actually are.
Um, and then you see each your wife, you
see your kids for who they really are. I
love that my kids are so different.
They're so unique and special and they
know that.
It feels like they now know it versus
something that wasn't the case.
>> Trying to fit into the, you know,
paradigm. Is that what was happening in
your life? trying to fit in because I I
resonate with this a lot by the way.
I've been working on
>> my own journey for more than 5 years now
in terms of seeing a therapist and being
vulnerable and open and
>> and um the the world is my oyster and uh
I would say my men's group is every man
I meet and I just connect and grow from
them. So, but this is unique in terms of
your own little group and I asked if I
can join I think at that point and you
didn't let me. So, uh, [laughter] I
don't know what it was, you know, like
>> No, we we the funny thing is that that
that night we met, we we vibed with you.
We're like, man, this guy could be part
of our group.
Disgusting.
>> So, uh, but no, you have something
special. I I want to go through that.
Just take me through that transition, if
you will. Tell me about Schlommo before
and Schlommo after what you learned
about.
>> Beautiful. Please.
>> I used to have a rule with my kids. They
had on Shabas, they had to be in Schul
by 10:00 a.m.
And I found out later that one of my
kids used to go away for Shabas because
of that rule. He just didn't feel right.
It didn't he didn't want to. And so he
just stayed away.
When I realized that I am associating a
punishment with something religious,
which I didn't intend to do because I
didn't see them for who they are. I saw
them like you got to fit into this box.
What are people going to think of me
when my kids show a plate? Right? When I
saw them for who they are, I took that.
Of course, how can I put that on them?
You come to show when you want to come.
You know my preference. You know what I
prefer, but but you are a person. You
are your own person. I became the sky.
Suddenly, my kids want to come.
Suddenly, my wife wants to spend time
with me.
It's just so much more enjoyable when
you're not imposing on them. You're just
you're good.
>> Wow. Wow. Slowmo. That's amazing.
>> It's a shift.
>> You you you just you just described one
simple example, one small little
antecdote and
>> I'm going to save more of it for when uh
Isaiah comes with his wife and and we're
going to
>> by the way we didn't mention his names
in case someone watches now you look
like Sadia Nuttik just so you know the
last name. He has his own podcast with
his wife, which is an amazing podcast
called Talk to Me Baby. And uh
>> what a great name.
>> It's such a treat. It's such a treat to
like listen to two people who work so
hard in their marriage and have come so
far. Um because it's it's like their
podcast is literally they just they it's
on purpose. They don't plan anything.
They just hit the record button and
whatever they're talking they just go
and they talk. And you see people um
it's such a lesson in um in in um like
SA is one of the best. You've never seen
someone listen to his wife like she
does. Like and I like some we like we
laugh about like the pauses like like
it's like a sometimes he'll he'll wait
for 30 seconds.
>> It's not awkward unless you say you
think it's awkward
>> like and he'll say and then his wife
will just keep going
>> like she's just not done. He just he
just sits and waits and waits and waits
and waits and then there's more
and um it's a it's a great lesson for
us. There's a I just love you know we're
we're men. We're fixers which by nature
we're fixers. we want to fix. When our
wives come to us with with emotions or
whatever, we just what it makes us feel
comfortable cuz we're like, "Oh, if
she's upset, I'm not a good husband."
That's how we feel. So, we want to fix.
We want to fix.
>> Wow.
>> And so, yeah. So, you learn to you learn
to listen and and women, like said, it's
like we're the sky and we're they're the
storms. And if you allow them to have
their emotions, you allow women to just
move through it, they actually move
through it. And if you give them enough
space,
>> by the way, I'm like making it sound
like we're like truly masters. We're
like we have plenty of plenty to learn.
you know, it's it's always every day is
every day is a journey. Every day is,
you know, whatever. But overall, um,
we've come a long way and our our
marriages are we're very proud of our
marriages.
>> Guys, I'm I'm proud of you and I'm proud
to call you my friends and uh, what do
you want to say?
>> I was going to say I'm going to take uh,
all of Sadia's material, but emotions
are energy in motion. So, just wait for
it to pass. It'll pass.
>> Beautiful. And I'll take that one step
further as a as a chiropractor who um
who treats pain for 20 years.
>> Um I heard I heard that from Schneer. I
don't know who I don't know who or but I
heard that from Sher that that emotions
are energy emotion right and if you
don't and as men especially if you don't
allow that emotion to pass through you
if you don't process the emotion it gets
trapped in your body and it'll turn into
pain dysfunction or disease.
So, it's really important. This is like
really really really important to
process emotions. Um, so start listening
to Y Jacobson's because he talks about
this all the time about about processing
emotions. And before we I know it seems
like we're about to wrap up, but I just
want to say something to your listeners
cuz you know you sit here so and you and
you are a really a master at asking
questions of holding space of of
listening of even tracking. you you
track you like it's it's really a skill
like you know it's amazing but I don't I
don't know because you don't get
interviewed you're the one interviewer
but like Schlom and I got to experience
something that I don't think your
listeners know that Michael in his spare
time on Sundays for years he's done this
for years
people come who are struggling with
their careers and financials financial
things they come to Michael to his house
he has office hours and I got to watch
this and he helps so many people the
like the the you do and you connect
people and you get them jobs and you do
it so quietly and so with such humility
and so just that know that Michael does
it so you can get in touch with him I
don't want to you know blow his uh he
does he does it for free and he's so
many people have gotten jobs and he's
helped so many people and it's it's
really
>> thank you I definitely appreciate it yes
and um yeah I have spoke about it in the
past because careers are my thing I I'm
I'm truly a big believer that if you
help our generation and uh you know grow
in their careers and figure out how to
make a living and live in the right
place if you need to move and cut your
expenses and learn how to manage your
costs then we'll all live a healthier
life you know you won't need daily
giving you know um but you know look
ultimately we all need to help each
other and give in some capacity and what
you guys are doing is amazing how many
organizations are you giving to is it
>> over 100
>> over a hundred
>> wow and it's just phenomenal and it's
just um I'm trying to hold space for all
this that's going on right now in terms
of what's in front of me. So, in
wrapping up, uh one of the things I like
to do is ask you guys if you have any
questions for me. So, we'll, you know,
we'll open that up. Just don't ask me
why we started the podcast because we've
covered that 10,000 times. Um so, would
love to ask you that. And I als I also
always like asking who would you
recommend as a guest on the podcast, but
I already have eight of you now that I
have to go through and I'm going to do
it guys because I I I think that
>> each each one of you in going through
this journey are learning so much that
so much so many people can learn from.
And if all I did was talk about
relationship, relationships,
relationships, I'd be okay and I'd grow
from that. And that's really something
that I am so passionate about about, you
know, building relationships with
parents to children, children to
parents, uncles to aunts and nephews to
uncles and just brothers to sisters and,
you know, and to be honest with you, I'm
on that journey myself and I'm
recognizing more and more that I need to
work on my relationship with myself and
figuring out what that means to me. So,
I'm on that path. But, uh, Jonathan,
we'll start with you. Any questions for
me?
>> Well, good for you, Michael. what you
just said is is really it's really like
that's where the gold is is like
actually I didn't understand this my
wife my wife was in therapy for many
many many years and I didn't understand
it and um it's just like another bill
you know and um and then she switched to
a couple years ago do something called
IFS IFS therapy and I I actually became
jealous of her of how how she was
changing and how she was learning about
herself and she would tell me and she
would just try to you know explain to
what what it was and she was like
encouraging me but I was like I don't I
don't need therapy I And like and really
thank God I felt great. Like I actually
ended up starting IFS therapy two year
like almost 2 years ago at a time where
I felt the best I ever felt in my life
and I cannot tell you how much it's
catapulted me forward. Um because when
you learn about yourself and you learn
where you came from and you then can
have you you then [clears throat] learn
self-compassion because it's really
about self self-compassion and self-
loveve and it's really hard to love
other people if you don't love yourself.
You can't you can't fully love someone
else if you don't love yourself. So,
like you said, it it starts with
learning where you came from,
understanding yourself. The more you
understand about yourself, the way the
way you the why you tick the way you
tick, then you can have compassion. When
you do something that you thought you
used to like, I hate that part of me.
Like there's all things that we hate
about ourselves, right? But when we
learn why we're like that and then those
things that we hated were actually there
to help us and protect us, then all of a
sudden when we it changes the whole
relationship to those things we hated
about ourselves and now we no longer
hate those things about ourselves. We
actually love those things about
ourselves. And that's really a path to
to self- loveve. But back to your
question. To your question though, my
first the first thing that popped into
my head is I would love to know what
gets you excited about giving like like
what when you when you give stuck like
what do you look for in a stucka? Are
you are you are the certain both that
that's question number one and number
two are there specific stuckas that just
really get you excited?
>> So I'll answer both questions with one
answer and that is my community and the
closer you are to the proximity of where
I live that's how much more I want to
give to you. That's my answer. So, if
you're my neighbor and you're suffering,
I want to know about it. I'll make it my
business to know about it. And if you
live two doors down from me, you'll get
less attention. If you live three more
doors down, you'll get even less. But
that's the way I look at giving in terms
of simply my community. And I I truly
believe that if we all worked that way,
we would be taking care of each other
that way and our communities would be
amazing and we would all help each other
uh by giving. So, I would say is every
anything that has to do related to
community. So in my community in Miy we
have Kupas or Tom Kashavas and so many
people. But I want to make sure that the
people who are living around me are
paying their mortgage, are able to pay
tuition and they have a career that
they're able to be proud of and they're
able to buy their children's gifts and
they're able to take trips once at least
a year and you know that that is my
answer to that. Yeah. In terms of
giving, what about you? What do you got
for me? How do you set boundaries
>> for for all the different things that
you do like when you help people on
Sundays or when you come like you you're
working late
>> you know to record?
>> It's a great question.
>> Do you have boundaries for family for
friends?
>> I was terrible at this. Uh when I said
to you a little earlier like you know
five six seven years ago whenever I
started my journey of growth um I was at
a point where I would fall asleep and
the phone would just knock on my head
and all I was doing was looking on
LinkedIn right? So like I I got to get
rid of social media and that was one of
my first things getting rid of social
media, stopping to watch news. So what I
did was I created certain rules in my
life and that really really helped me.
Rules is what helps me in terms of
setting boundaries for everything I do.
I have a rule. I go out to the city or
somewhere with my wife every Thursday
night. And the rule is anybody who wants
to join can join. It could be and
usually it's single divorce friends that
come join us. and we're just like, "Hey,
uh, Michael, where are you going this
Thursday night?" "Oh, we're going to a
comedy club. We're going to a place and
anyone can just join us and, uh, and we
go out." So, so that that way I know
also that even though I travel, I'm on a
plane pretty much, uh, you know, every
week. So, I know that Thursday nights
are dedicated. I also know that Friday
night till Sunday afternoon is dedicated
to my kids. So, like that's another
rule. And I used to want to help
everybody. And I had this challenge in
my life in general. I always loved the
idea of helping everyone who calls me.
It's just not possible. So, I decided to
pick a lane and that lane was the career
uh uh path. And I made a rule and my
rule is you want to attention for your
career and your guidance and you're a
rebby that wants to become an employee
of some sort or you want to start your
own company. Sundays 11:30 to 2:30, half
an hour each. And it just became my
rule. So if you call me during the week
or I have somebody or somebody sends me
a resume, my rule is I'll see you Sunday
between 11:30 and 2:30. It's the same
thing that I do with everything else.
It's like my rule of er shabas, my rule
of mozzar shabas. I'm preparing candles
and every year it happens to be it's
rashashana time. I try to think of okay,
what rule am I going to add to my life
to make things?
>> Are you adding rules?
>> I every year I add rules.
>> Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah.
>> And when like when you help people with
finances like is it hard to not actually
want to help them financially? That's
another rule.
>> It's a rule.
>> Yeah. I can't I'll I'll direct you. I'll
guide you. I like being the 411 for 911.
Meaning like
>> you have an emergency. Asani Pearlman
taught me this years ago. If you have an
emergency, call 911. But if you really
want to know who to go to, at what
point, especially in financial
decisions, Yeah.
>> you can go to RSK will help you manage
your funds better. You can go to this
recruiter who will help you do this. You
can take this test that will help
evaluate what you're better for. And you
could be this, you know, young people
who are asking me about careers now. One
of the most important things I say is
what you said earlier. Be a shadow of a
category of service that you want to get
into. You want to go into real estate,
just be a shadow of somebody for 3
weeks. Just ask them, you know, don't be
an intern, work for free. That's
annoying. Be a shadow and and learn from
there. So yeah, uh being that Rashashana
is coming, I the rule I like to pick two
rules. Rule one is about my life and how
I'm growing and rule number two is about
Shabas. So every year we add something
uh on Shabas. We light candles together
every shabas. We bench together every
shabas. And it's all been accumulative
of the past seven, eight years of things
that we're doing every shabas. So,
>> what's your favorite rule that you've
come up with the last 10 years? [snorts]
>> Candle lighting. Not even a question. I
can't believe that families don't light
candles together. I'm I'm actually
shocked that they don't.
>> Wow. Interesting.
>> Yeah. Like women are sitting there
lighting candles and they don't have
their children and their husbands next
to them. What?
>> So foreign to me. Like of course you
have to be together. Why does a man have
the opportunity to bless his kids before
drinking wine Friday night? Why can't
the woman have the opportunity to bless
the whole family while everyone is
sitting around her? So, that is my
favorite.
>> Yeah,
>> you might have just gotten some other
people to do that. [laughter]
>> I'm visualizing it.
>> Guys, thank you for listening. Thank you
to the subscribers. Thank you for the
comments. Thank you to the Prime Source
production team. uh retrospect looking
back at this interview and this
conversation I just want to say I
learned so much about living life with
intention and that's what I think I get
most out of the two of you. It's the
fact that you're finding things to do
that are important for not only the
people around you but for the for you as
a person in of itself. And another shout
out to Alex Bar who taught me to do
this, which is at the end of the
podcast, reflect a little bit about what
you learned and what you grew from that
and talk about it. So
that's what I'm gaining from you guys is
you have a good idea, do the research,
uh, you know, figure out, you know, how
you can be better in this world. Most
importantly, having friends that you can
rely on and creating a men's group.
Please, if anyone is listening and
doesn't have a men's group or people
that they can rely on, find someone that
you can rely on. You'd be very surprised
if you go to a guy that you feel
somewhat close to and you say, "Hey, I
want to share something with you." How
quickly you'll create a bond by just
connecting with them and learning about
that part of your life. Learning about
the transition of knowing that it's
never too late. We're in our 30s, we're
in our 40s, we're in our 50s. Suddenly,
we're transitioning our life and we're
telling our kids they don't have to come
to Shul at a certain time anymore. Could
you imagine how much better of a
lifestyle a person can live knowing that
it's never too late? You can actually
learn now to live a more healthy
lifestyle of how to raise your kids and
how to have a healthier life with your
spouse. So that's what I reflect on on
this conversation. It was amazing.
>> If you change now, they can see the
before and after.
>> Absolutely beautiful. And we're going to
see it together. And I can't wait to see
all the changes that we have and our
growth that we have together. So thank
you so much, Jonathan. Thank you so much
Slommo. I appreciate you being here
today. Shaatva,
God bless you guys here for you and your
family and
>> you're doing so much for CLM should
repay you.
>> I appreciate you guys too. That's a rep.
Wow. Amazing. [laughter]
>> Thank you.
>> That was awesome. Wow.
That was your first podcast.
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