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Armstrong Williams Interviews Nissim Black
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welcome to this
special edition of the armstrong
williams show joining us to discuss
the continuous discussion on the impact
of rap music in hip-hop
is nissan black who originates from
seattle washington and now
lives in the holy land in jerusalem his
story is
an extraordinary one one to rebellion
crime drugs finding god and then finding
his
passion building a family and he has
been a quite a sensation in this genre
let me welcome nissan to the show nissan
thank you for joining us from jerusalem
thank you so much for having me i really
do appreciate it
talk about your journey and your native
america
to now your home israel
uh that was a big journey um started out
you know being exposed to
regular street life growing up in the
urban city um
i was exposed to drugs at a very very
young age
i was already smoking pot by the time i
was nine by the time i was 12 i was
already dealing
i started running with a street gang bgd
are better known as gangster disciple
nation
now these days and got myself in a lot
of trouble i was expelled from the
school district
and you know started off in the wrong
path in that system and
uh as time had went on i sort of got
myself around and involved with the
right people who were
at different faiths and there's one
faith center was in gospel mission that
got me involved at least in faith
and that's what really got me interested
in faith and started
starting to seek and from then on when i
became an adult
on my own and finding myself also back
into the same type of environments
and the same type of trouble that i'd
seen when i was a kid
um you know i got myself into a killer
be killed situation with another rap
artist
and after i was spared from that
situation i started to look upwards
started praying started going deeper
inside the text and eventually that led
me to judaism
which a few years later would lead me to
moving to jerusalem
uh you know your parents both your
parents have a strong background in
music
especially hip hop in fact they were on
the cutting edge of the founding
of this genre what about your parents in
your direction during the early years of
your life
so yes you're right both my mother and
my father were both a part of
hip-hop groups the emerald street boys
and the emma street girls
which both of those groups together
pioneered hip-hop
actually in seattle um in the in the
early 80s
um so i was sort of like to some degree
born into it
um and also with that also too obviously
they had their their own dealings with
uh
with drugs and different things like
that but see the transformation actually
lost my mother to
overdose when she was 37 so i was 19
years old when i lost my mother
my father today has gone on to make a
major change in his life now he stands
as a professor
doctor theologian and heads a addiction
program he also passes a church so
transformation seems to run in the blood
you know talk about um how you found
obviously hip-hop the music that you
embraced today
um the rap music is it's in your dna
but you know we were talking to someone
earlier who made it clear that the rap
music
hip-hop music is responsible to so many
murders and so many rapes and so many
people being in jail today
and it's just been a game changer in so
many societies especially in the urban
and indie city centers where
so many people want to emulate that kind
of music to be those gangsters
and they use the words of profane
language they degrade women disrespect
women
and a lot of a lot of young people
embrace that as being
as some kind of manhood and womanhood to
where it's had very detrimental effects
you know my answer to that is you know i
think hip-hop originally in his origin
you seen was a lot more about having fun
i remember talking to my father
you know about this when he was younger
he said it wasn't about all the gangs
and all the violence and different
things like that when he was younger it
was more so about fun
you know having parties they were
battled not only in rapping but they
were battling dancing back in the day
about
you know bopping and different things
like that and it was much more so
uh you know outlet um you know for
innocent fun
um and time progressed even a little bit
uh you know
a few years later when uh you know like
a jungleson time came out it was much
more so talking about
our issues that we were having in the
black community
uh more than the violence and then later
on as time went into the 80s and
nwa and you know others came out which
much more
um gangster music has sort of started to
shape the culture and it almost became a
way
where it came it brought itself to a
place where if you weren't doing
that you may have been alienated from
rap culture and i think you're
absolutely right it's been something
that is definitely in my opinion
you know everything going on in the
world today everybody wants to know what
the biggest threat to the black
community is
i think has definitely been what we've
been doing with hip-hop and allowing
ourselves to
you know uh uh continue to to feed back
into our communities
you know violence and disrespect of
women um definitely uh
definitely has been a major problem
you know you know you know that's
interesting because of the you could
have embraced that and continued
that legacy but yet you chose something
different and many
record executives will corrupt these
young men and women they could not even
get close to record deal unless they
embrace this kind of
um this this this narrative of degrading
disrespect the prophet but yet you chose
a different way and one would have been
led to believe that there is no way that
you can produce
wholesome lyrics guide the lyrics lyrics
that
uh that accentuate and uplift values and
virtues
and be a million uh selling to millions
of fans around the world
what was different about you and your
trajectory
you know i think the difference was just
a change of
change of environment which led to a
changing of the mind
honestly i think very much so if things
had not gone
gone in a way towards the right they
would have definitely gone away towards
the left and towards the negative
behavior that i was involved in um my
wife has a friend
who was struggling also with the father
of her children and she asked my wife
she said why is your husband
want to be there for the kids and you
know i'm having all these issues with my
father and she had many children that
happen to have been by the same father
um and she said to her you know you know
i want to know why is my situation not
the same what's different about your
husband
and this is obviously a good friend of
mine somebody i grew up with
and you know we we knew each other and i
think the biggest difference was a
matter of change of perception
um when you have uh you know what's
going on on tv and entertainment all
these things are starting to raise their
children and that's what tells a person
is cool but when you get around
wholesome
individuals and you're able to see
something different and and really tap
into the inside of you that really
doesn't want to be a part of that
lifestyle
then you can change your perception on
what's really cool and what's not cool
there's nothing greater than being able
to raise a family and then
the from the fruits of that family that
you raised to be able to be around for
your for your
grandchildren when has it ever been cool
not to be there for your grandchildren
so talk about your music and what is so
special about it
i think the biggest thing about my music
and what makes it more special
is that i didn't deviate away from
culture and the way that it goes
sonically for at one point i did and i
came back to realizing that
you know the best way for me to be
creative and the best way for me to
actually have an
impact you know on the community as a
whole is for it to
feel at home and to speak the language
that everybody else is speaking but to
say something different
i've always said to myself and i said to
others that you know music today you're
listening to it for two to three minutes
that's a big responsibility
to have somebody's ear and their
attention and for them to
basically give themselves over to you um
for two to three minutes so it's a big
responsibility to be able to say
something that's going to
bring joy to uplift them uh to make them
think
and to better that person a person has
to realize it you know i've heard many
different people
who came from a street background who
sold drugs and they've been they may
regret
that but it's almost doing the same
thing that if we're saying
hurtful things or that we're going to
hurt somebody else and then
by doing so actually cause the listener
to go and do something
that uh that that may change their life
or or someone else's
is a very very big responsibility and i
said for myself i wanted to be
responsible
with the attention that i had would you
have had the same success
if you'd remain in the united states
versus
moving uprooting yourself to israel
you know i think it could have happened
could not have happened you know um i
don't control those things things were
actually happening for me when i decided
to leave music all together
right before as my transformation was
taking place i decided to leave for a
couple years and at the height of that i
was on a very big album
um at that time on a compilation album
which led to
my album uh doing very well i had a
single that was on mtv that was in full
rotation i was headlining major concerts
and at the
peak of all of that is when i actually
left you know to pursue spirituality so
i think had i stayed on that path
then you know it only would have went up
from there but um i was willing to
sacrifice it all to make sure
that i was doing what was right to me
talk about
your spirituality journey
my spiritual journey originally actually
in
islam is where i actually started my
grandfather my mother's father was a
sunni muslim
unfortunately he spent most of his life
in prison he
came home for about a year i think he
was out that he stayed with us
and during that time i would pray with
him five times a day that was my
introduction to religion altogether i
went to him uh with with him to a mosque
you know on fridays
and um that was about the the end of
that shortly after he ended up back in
prison unfortunately where
um he would spend the rest of his life
and then um
around 13 is when i got involved with
the different christian centers the
groups
because they had a hip-hop program that
was sort of the way they got me and that
which was really great for me because it
kept me out of the streets and i have
really close relationships still with a
lot of people that were there
um and then like i said after the the
my running with music one of the biggest
things is it's funny you mentioned that
earlier
is that i was actually
sought after by record label that my
positive music was uh was not good
enough you know when i was still
involved in
in the christian center and so one of
the things they wanted was harder music
and slowly over time
i gave them that and it turned into
straight gangster app and i got to a
place where i was confused about who i
was
um that led me into another altercation
with another artist
which led me to soul searching on my own
and for the first time i was away there
was nobody there
pushing me towards this way or that way
you know i sort of grabbed the bible and
started going
going to work and i dug deeper went into
a lot of different epic
pic pick refer books went into the
church fathers and i started going very
very deep and i actually grew up in a
jewish neighborhood
so i was actually interested to find out
more about judaism so
one thing led to the next and uh
eventually i found my path
on the found my way on the path to a
jewish conversion
nissan tell us about the advice and
wisdom that
you would share with aspiring rap and
hip-hop artists today
you know my biggest piece of of of
wisdom
and and if i can really to give over
some strength
is that you know we definitely will have
to be responsible
for the things and for the turnout of
the things that happen inside of our
community
and you know as i said before you have a
big responsibility with
two to three minutes four minutes
however long a song is to be able to
pump life into something
instead of death and i think it's a very
very
um huge task but it's definitely
something we have to do the record
labels
and i know there's many people involved
record execs and different people who
may not culturally come from the same
background
but they'll be able to go and sleep and
have a peaceful night at the end of the
night
wherever they are but then we have to go
back to the turmoil that we're in and
that we perpetuate
by continuing to make music so i want to
say it's a big responsibility
and if we want better we can do better
and finally how do we change and turn
around the devastating impact
that rap and hip-hop has had on the
world
you know i look at it as an individual
um situation i always tell people like
this you know i have an opportunity now
who i was years ago talking about you
know
hurting my fellow brothers and and and
speaking in negative ways you know a lot
of music i can't
listen to i don't know if i had one word
on the on the record that wasn't a swear
word i was cursing so much
um you're looking at me now i've been
cursing over 13 years on or off a song
so i'm looking at it and saying seeing
that responsibility that i had back then
and it made me turn around and say
listen
i got to go back where i was to be able
to redo
um the situation and so now it takes
nothing for a person
to to change the the the music itself
but what has to happen the task is to
change ourselves from within
and i feel like if we're able to do that
and to start helping
uh people who who necessarily haven't
necessarily thought
of themselves as being out of these type
of situations helping us get there it
sort of starts there we have to change
our idols we have to change the people
that we're looking up to
nissan black it's been our pleasure
discussing this with you today we wish
you well in your beloved jerusalem
and thank you for joining us and we'll
be back with much more
thank you