Nazir Shimshon: Controversy of 1513

welcome back Rabbi Dr liezer brought four a new episode we've done these in the past when we're learning a massage to pick a safer or a character to focus on and this time the episode is going to be about Zero's shimshen the controversy of 1513. I don't know much about it so I'm looking forward to hearing all about it but I got back from America's troll last week and I had the opportunity to visit Rabbi Dr lieza Brooks Studio where he records his episodes from so many people weren't sure if that's a fake background but as we were shown this is the real deal it's the real thing and Rabbi Dr Brut doesn't only have sparm in the studio here he um rents many warehouses around there to Thrill to keep the rest of his environment now many a bit of exaggeration but at other places where he has Farm as well um many people have reached out offering physical help perhaps um psychological help dealing you know with your connection to your swarm some people suggest it's an addiction so if you want to address that publicly I'm giving you the floor right now I can't deny that it's an addiction that much I could say okay but I'm not I'm not thinking but I'm definitely not seeking a cure at this time so all the mental health professionals will deal with addictions please stay far away yeah yeah okay and listen to this urine but uh we're not offering a cure um I'm assuming this will be something interesting different than other things that we've done in the past and just we're looking forward as well nausea is finishing straight to starting we hope to be able to put out an episode the time of year we're recording this is right before pesach and hopefully we'll have something interesting related to pesach as well so Rabbi brought as we always start with how are you today and take it away [Music] Hashem it's already late in the day evening on my end over here okay so basically I put this is simply a topic that I stumbled upon I have not collected upon information about this ever before not on purpose I was looking for Allah myself and I started noticing this kept on creeping up I'm gonna the starting point is it's relevant and another assumption what the question is if it's relevant why don't we find anywhere now I would for years I was I was aware when we says people talk about do you say not saying could it be maternity and there's a lot a lot of discussion about that um but we're not going to discuss that today now in recent years I've spent a lot of time of my time trying to attempt on mapping out the world of Allah in Poland and asking us originally I started from the mugan of rum's time and then I started moving backwards the Rama the martial and even more backwards further back Rebecca and even further back to the marula and his contemporaries at the same time there's another world that's going on in is the sparity world and which also relates very much to this the base yasif author of The what was going on in his world before he came onto the scene and that he and he ends up producing his the Masterpiece the base so I was always very curious about that and this today is a start a small people a small little start of this topic it was a great controversy at the time very relevant then it helps us get a glimpse and glimpse into that tire world into the key players their methods are much more I'm not going to go into every single aspect over here this could take hours and hours and all the side topics that are all relevant to this just to give a small taste of it as it relates to Nazir now perhaps later on a different date maybe I'll return to much more about the different people that we're going to mention briefly going through over here one more introduction for this is is this files today we take it for granted we have many areas of Allah when a question comes up what opens up the you seek out the various and we have the information about the said topic and you reach up sac when a new Mercedes kind of question comes up then have to they have to scramble they have to understand them it's here still Marshall years ago when electricity was just invented that it it wasn't an open so there was a whole different it's a whole different ballpark when the hell had to deal with it this topic of nauseation is a very unique why Nasir as we spoke about in the earlier Shear about nazarian introduction it wasn't really learned does come out no restraining about Nazir and it's now not only that in the times we were showing him it seems that no one ever said I'm going to be another symptom even though technically he could he could technically say I could be another Simpson so so there's no precedent in the world of Allah not only that in this period of time 1513 there's no and as we know there's no it's not even in even if it existed so it's interesting to see when all of a sudden the topic comes up and we'll see what the story was um all of a sudden William had to come up with a solution and they have to learn the suggests and basically becomes at this period of time in the 1500s now what's even more interesting is is that just it's not like after this story that we'll be discussing today a little bit about literally dozens of chuvists are written about cases of that people use this it became like a standard type of sprach expression that people said if you don't do this and this and this I'm going to take upon myself to be another it seems like it caused the whole um it might have been this story caused influence it's unclear but definitely we see in um in Tuba literature from the world of smart at the time dozens of sources about this and even today we cannot we don't even know what's the story why what happened like all of a sudden it comes on the scene so to speak no one's saying it this period of time people are saying it and then afterwards it's like it's very not common and there's no good answer for it but a fellow his name is um a schmuel uh shmuel hold on let me see if we can find Morel I believe his name is he has a whole article where he documents in the night in 1988 he documents a collection of many different choos that talk about it he has articles called Samson Nazarite Val in the 16th century and he basically collects he says the response emanating from the ottoman lands of the 16th century give evidence of widespread use of an oath which invoked the name of Samson the Nazarite and then he goes and collects it now interestingly enough this is 1988 so he probably started this article well before 1988 he gives a cursive to the Barry land responser um at that time in 1988 Barry Landry sponsor was now in is not what it is today for example today I just was curious I searched on Barry line response and you get much more truvis about it forget about if one goes on right side you'll find more but as we'll say to as I'm going to show today there's even YouTubers that came out in the past few months there are also new manuscripts from that period of time that means the door of the base of him right before also on this controversy and and even talking about other cases in those assumptions so it seems this became like a hot topic for a certain period of time and then it dies them okay now as I always like to mention what's the sources that are used in preparing this so first of all the first and foremost is there was who originally learned today time is he has interesting life story not for now but basically any time he wrote an article about a subject the various articles he wrote they're incredible with the yield holding in the suggests and learning and also in the history so one of the people that one of the suggests that somehow caught his interest was this topic I'd be more than happy to share it if someone emails me and wants to see this article I'm not attempting to say over that whole article and all the information over there but this is a incredible article sheds much light maybe one day we'll get to more aspects of this article he has other articles which we'll also refer to another thing is this morale article we mentioned and um two other people which was famous in the 1990s he had an article about this topic a little bit and then he he also made a major Discovery relating to this which we'll discuss and professor in various articles also did this um they're printed in his certain art in various issues of yeshurin and now in his volume of collective writings that it's about to be released there's also a professor of ram David who worked a lot on this kufa and the people over here and he spent he has various articles about some of the people that we're going to mention today and different things and two other sources is one Professor mayor Benito also has valuable information as an expert of this kufa and last but not least I have just I recently was just in America and I visited um the whole Mr Sir Baron um Lakewood where they work on amongst other projects besides are Byron Cutler or snare Cutler's writings they also work on various other projects I met with Rabbi C rapberg and while talking to him he mentioned the project that they're working on supposedly supposed to come to print very soon it's called the chuvres of the zucking Aaron a massive few volumes about the topic I mentioned something that I'm about to give a share about this oh this is in here and there was and he showed me the work and he was kindly enough to allow me um to see some of the work on this topic that they have in this in this material some new some new materials on the topic also that they also discovered in their work anyway that is the the general introductions which some people don't like but sorry we have to uh say them anyway now now let's get to the to let's start getting to the to the as to the main point okay so first of all so if you look in the shock and similaration I'm a test he talks about if nazirus is nagaya and then he says he says a funny line at the end he says so it sounds very interesting um why is it that the Shah is telling us this now we know today was expert in chuvius of the severity world but he doesn't like talk about he doesn't handle it he doesn't even mention anything about it but he says there's a lot of chuvists usually chuva literature as a rule although there are always exceptions to the rule means it was for it was actual question so you would think that the nice okay we would at least have a a comment about it anyway he doesn't the episcopa talks more about this and episcoper actually mentions about hatar's nadaram the question he said tying this story in anyway the first mention of collecting chuvas relating to the topic was Eric lechem which today can be found in your standard Mahoney there's a bunch of truths about the topic um okay but the bottom line is there's no discussion in what happened and why and what's this cryptic line that the shack is referring to that there's a bunch of chubas and whatever so obviously this continued to spark my curiosity now as I mentioned already there's no as far as we know today there's no mention in the times of something happening that was nazirus shimshen was invoked so to speak in um in the times we shine now just to fast forward um you might this is this seems this is a little further stretch of of this question because I'm talking specifically about nausea but recently I came across and I heard this also from other people and I'm recording now from a news a news site this is current news about Lakewood in 2016. it seems Arabi gave a share about serious at the end of the lesson two 12 year old boys got up in the clear that they accepted upon themselves he was so taken aback he brought the attention to the manal local police game they they were not yet Bar Mitzvah it's a tafsugar that was brought to smoke whatever he issued so but this was a case of two people um they didn't know what they really didn't know what they were doing necessarily they heard a sheer about it and it sounded exciting to them but they were not good Island and they decided to be another but this is a little different this is nazia now even because we're we're concluding the Lehman of daphyemi right now with of um with Nazir shimshin so Nazir shimshen is a little different we know you can't be another today but what about um being another assumption so interestingly enough there are people today in yushalayim that are um I guess you could call it they're they are they practice being Nazir there's one that was is a famous guy or I think his name is or something like that he prints a lot of uh Cabela's Farm there's some others um one of these people wrote a safer called nazare Ali him a whole uh anyway so if you look which he sums it up based on the gamaras which we'll see very quickly soon that there's a type of nazirist called Nazir shimshin um and basically the isurium on this nausea is shaving and wine but he could be Tommy he could be metamata mace it seems so therefore it's possible but man has there that you could be another assumption so technically if someone said to said for whatever reason he wants to be another symptom he'll be able to anyway well now let's get to our story the years that we're referring to about this controversy happens in about 1513 in mitzray but it spreads after the question was brought up and this the story is brought up it ends up being spread um um to you shalim and all the neighboring lands different people got chew us about him we'll hear some of the people involved but first it was like this um was it common up till now I keep on saying that it wasn't common before 1513 and as I said I quoted this guy's article he shows then it seems to be common but interestingly enough one of the key players in this sugya so he throws out a lotion in his um discussion on the sugya um where he's actually talking about the 1513 story and he sounds like that we hear shamati that in that in in Metairie he will say um they use it sort of as a very tough threat to get whatever it is that they want so be there as a me it seems to be happening in this time frame because we don't have any stories of it happening earlier anyway back to 1513 we have these documentations discovered about some type of the entire there was a guy Robert seemed to be a hush of a person and there was a year and he made episode with the threat of Israel listen to me this whole thing and um seems that they want to be matter it afterwards now we don't have enough we don't have a lot of details about what was going on in the case it's fragmented the document the matrovsky in this article he talks about it he tries to explain a little bit what he's able to try to figure out from it bottom line is the person involved was a YouTuber now those that learned in brisk or are familiar with the zukamaisha neighborhood know there's a street right over there turns out that he was the person that was the one who made the now signing on this document was another great person Rebecca the Marie berav he was on the best and we have some documents in this story there's some documents about what was going on and as I said we're not going to go into this story um but this is just the beginning fast forward a few months it seems and we find the same review swearing yet again with another assumption and we're gonna see more what that swearing was what that story was in a second now and then all of a sudden whatever happened uh I guess he made up which we'll see what it was about and then it didn't work out so he wanted they needed to find a way to be material that he shouldn't end up being a nice assumption so they needed to seek a solution and that's what ended up happening that this was discussed by various gadylum seems some people were Pro the solution that was discovered others were not and that's what I'm part of the rest of this presentation is going to be about basically like this we've um let's start a second with a back with a drop of background we have to see it his name is so yes Naruto the name streets after all different types of people anyone familiar with the streets of Naruto but it turns out this robutic channel was a tremendous tremendous Adam God now I'm just again we could spend at least an hour talking about distributor show you a little bit to understand in plain simple English is there are times in history that at that time in history there's a key player was a key player in everything going on in mitzrayim and yushalayim in the tire world everything he was a dying and he was seemed to be also a rich person he literally was involved with everything let me say not just that he was a uh asking so to speak he was also a learner to ask him he ran a business then he ended up supporting yeshivas and just to see from someone in that period of time that who was from Italy that was visit his name was her Maisha who visited Earth Israel in this period of time he describes he says like this one of the prominent men in Jerusalem the foremost is the Nugget our honorable teacher I'm reading an English translation of the Hebrew our honorable teacher rev Isaac Charlotte who is crowned with the crown of the Torah and the crown of the priesthood and the crown of royalty and wealth and above all crown of reputation due to the overwhelming amount of Charity he donates to the poor and to the students in the rabbinical Academy basically he was admired like a person with fairness Tyra on high levels and this is this is description actually he's written after this controversy a little later than 1513. but even already in those years it's known he was the man and he was a very very prominent person now and we know a lot about him um now just to mention one other nakuda abandon just to see is the base yasif from yasif Cairo in uruguayam has a quote and um where he's talking about if you say it again or not and he brings down that there's a that there's a peace in the safer a plea that says his fouls the schlier says again um and then he says someone was knowing like to say for plea the garbage he's referring to who this is we also just mentioned the whole from that time available in a sec in a second so we see here how the base series was referring to him as the Nugget haggado we see also a count he was a big he was a big person and from the truvis on this topic it says clearly it was now um who gets involved right away in the beginning so there's a the we as he said so he he the maribe RAV who turns out is involves he's in he's in metrium at the time he writes a chuva where he says it's not a problem known as The Simpson he doesn't have to worry about it who else writes achuva about it so turns out it's sent to them as Rahi run the Greek somehow the countries of the masrachi disagrees with the Hector at the same time the trooper gets to rebiakov's a countries that there was a header and this controversy against he disagrees he also says it's asogama other people that strong their two cents Mary baraf eventually is the morale back to mabit and others and whatever was came out in this in this the two approaches that came out amongst the godylam sort of sets the precedent in many of the truths for um that as I said is document of dozens of chuvres about the Sergio anyway distribute so he dies in 1524 and um there's a lot of articles about him there's a there's a one of the hillel's sons wrote a massive article about him and captio this is mentioned earlier we have takanas of his unusual line some of them are collected by this this Maisha basil in his back of his travels he has a different Economist that were who made them they were hung up in the shoes different different from this hymn from this person who wrote a lot about you slime talks about him also great um okay fine so my kids are the point to the point the story is that this yid it was not our maritz and he said such a thing that he won with nazirship but what happened what was the story that I that I'm avoiding to say um so far that there was he said something about another it seems so in certain chuvas when you this is always what's always very interesting about true literature A lot of times one opens up a chuva and you see a story and then and you can tell that there's much more to the story and you're curious and then you just see the truth that the person writes then all of a sudden sometimes somehow documents come to light and it sheds light in the whole story and then everything starts making sense this is one such type he'll be fine he's talking about this thing he says like this he basically didn't want him to be the dying so he says if shiman's got up being the dying on this um Benson I'm accepting myself for another symptom he was a powerful person and he has the power to stop him from being a dying but then it turns out what happened there was no one else to take over to be a proper dying only this Shimon so this ruvane was stuck and he needed to allow he needed shipment to be the dying so his he's all he's stuck because he said he was trying to show very strongly that he's not interested in him becoming to dying and he's going to be another assumption if he is and all of a sudden he's stuck he needs him to go be a dying of this person it stands like a very strange story why is he using such a shyness and like you know it's as I said where is it coming from and there's no good answer why maybe it turns out who is this person it's repeating Shiloh the Nugget of mitzrayim it was a Basden and for some reason something that he got upset about something and he did not want Pliny who this truva doesn't say his name who is he doesn't want this person to be a dime but then it turns out they can't find a proper Roy the goddal to be the head of this bezden so the stock so now he's stuck with he's he's gonna be another Simpson so they need to find a way that they could a have the dying that they want that originally he didn't want the Nugget didn't want to be on the Basin and is there a way that he's not going to be another Simpson that's the story and that's what they have to find the thing okay now turns out who's the who's the dying that um that he doesn't that distributes a show doesn't want turns out it's the Marie Bay RAF what now who's the first person who writes the Heather why maybe I should show you does not have to worry about being another Simpson the Marie Bay RAV fascinating think what's going on over here it seems now from all that we know and the matrovsky's expert in maribe he's written a ton of bad maribe Robinson at the time already he's younger at this time I'm in a moment I'm going to give a description about him but the maribe RAV says it's not a problem kidney rat we don't know why there was some type of fight that they had and that trigger remember got upset but right afterwards not because they found them they had to ask for Shalom but basically they become Shalom not only does it become Shalom the end of the story ends up being that because of this he opens up Yeshiva new shalayim and it has a magic effect um documents so clearly they became great friends again but something was upset he was upset at him so he said he wanted to show his kayak um his and he used a very strong and he didn't want he basically didn't want Rebecca the Marie Bay rap to be a dying anymore but then they realized there's no one to replace the maribe now you have to understand something we have to back up a little who's the maribe rav just to clarify for a second I know you're building up the story no at the rap if I messed up already it's better now this story that the the beautiful says I don't want the maribe rav to be a dying on that wasn't another shimshin story that's what was causing him to become another Simpson right exactly yes so it is important what you just said it basically is remember so upset so he says I'm gonna be he's making sure I'm gonna be Makai I have to become another Simpson if you don't listen to me he's trying to use his power and whoever the dying is and the truth it doesn't say that it's the maribe Wrath now we know it's the maribe RAV that's incredible just clarifying this story they had a fight about and ended up causing the a bit result to become a another Simpson you're dying on a certain case and therefore it's not a certain yeah it's time in a certain case it sounds like what's based sorry again it's very important that you're pointing this out basically like this Murray rabbit seems what we know today was the dying on the Basin okay and he was one of the good of the time about to talk about in a second now something triggered that they got into a fight so now that they're in a fight we have to so so he wants him off the best them and he wants a replacement a new advice and let's say so he was trying to show how much he's serious about I want to be another I'm going to be another shim Shin etc etc now then they can't find anyone as good as the Marine Bay RAV so now he needs him back so he needs him back so we have to show you if he needs him back but then he's gonna have to be another Simpson unless someone could find the heads of another description who finds the hector the guy that's thrown off the best of maribe wrap the cute thing anyway this is all um now let's backtrack for a minute who is the Marie berav so again the Marie berav is a person worthy of a massive arigos one of the daily elements of the time just understand the base is the next Generation even after they're ready to say they're big people they learned by other people the the person that they both refer to as their main rebbe or one of the people that influenced them is the maribe rav in the famous controversy which Amir sashem one day maybe we'll speak about the called known as the smiha controversy the Marie Bay RAV is is involved over here and he wants to give smeagle to Summers tell me them who are those tell me them are the my bit and the base Joseph so he's one of the superstarum of that time he ends up having Yeshiva after this the story ends up opening back back and forth anyway eventually he opens up he is evens fast that's where the basically Asif as already a trans himself goes to being a spell from him and then my bid also we're talking about The Joy they're ready big people and they go we're not talking about young bahram that went to sit at his feet to learn mine we're talking about when they were ready something anyway the mistrovsky documents this very well in his article that the hashivas of the Murray Bay wrath but we're not going to go into that right now anyway um the point is that uh okay so see but what what is clear is that although there was some type of fight which we don't know what happened but basically um he ends up needs him back to be the dying and that's the story why he has to get this thing so they have to find the Hector um now they find the hector as I said the Mario comes up with a head there but not everyone agrees with it starting with the Mizrahi and as it seems the waves that have made many people were not pro-it okay well mice as I said he goes through shalayim and eventually if it's fast that's the story that's the end of the story as far as the maribe RAV um okay but now now let's just get very briefly what happens over here so um basically it sounds like this made a major Tomo from the way the Mizrahi refers to it and they brought up they brought the gamara's Nazir and there was a big Tomo had to learn the suggest properly and different suggests of Nazir all of a sudden become relevant now how do we know what I'm saying that this or dimitrovsky's claiming that the murder of is this person we know this from various things but as even the truth of literature as the different Trooper literature comes down the morale Bach who's the son of one of the barbares of the people that was against the hector that was found he says my father wrote a conscious and it was who what was going on it was against this conscious but it doesn't say that it was him so it turns out that the Marie in Missouri and there he says it's clear it's him and there's other ways how we know this we're not going to get into the nitty-gritty okay now what happened over here what was the Markham for the hector that the robotum that were pro-it or against it about it so let's just do this very briefly it seems that a hat there could have been which relates to um which we spoke about called ninja that really there's a gemara nadaram that you're a Russia which is really the earlier origin of of being maternity so it sounds like from a red Vaz in a different chuva which also happens to deal with truvis of nazer and you have to understand he has a few truths about but this is he's also a younger you say he's not as old as the maribe rav and Rebecca he's a little younger but he also knows about just about the story and he also passively offers his opinion on this topic which we'll see shortly so the different truth of the red bands was it seems that someone came up a threat to his wife and he said basically I'm going to be another Simpson getting divorced the whole tummel and he throws in the sugiyas of Rosh Hashanah of that of that camera that maybe that if you um that we know that you make it tonight Rosh Hashanah all the nadaram that I'm going to say this future here is not going to be McClain so maybe that will help for this thing so maybe he didn't remember he could use that Kamara I mean say a much more a much more original Tully in the whole city of nadaram but this is not what's brought up of here at all what is brought up so if you turn to the if one turns I'm not going to go through everything about this right now it's um it's very complex but I do recommend as files and I'm going to say in in mamish Russia Russia in in three or four minutes the whole story and you'll see what I what I'm trying to do here this is files we have a gamara we have a machine everything starts from a mishna and a lot of times when you learn this mishnah if you ask anyone what's another description to tell you oh an initial that valid and and in nausea and the mission basically says I'm like shimshin and it says so it says a bunch of things if you say that you're NASA so the question is what does someone have to say if someone says is that enough or does he have to be specific why because he could say who why do you think I'm talking about the story in Tanakh of the Simpson the famous shimshan who was another maybe it's something else it has to be specific and it's a Tomo nifla in the gemara how do you understand this Kamara um and the Machine whatever mafarian we have and what's fascinating is when you're looking at these truvis they're talking they have the stuff that we have today they had it then mostly manuscript they have the rush which we have today in the city comets and this is before these they have some of the people calling Rashi on the side which we discussed is not actually the Kong yamashi oh there's a column number Farish they have Rabino Baruch they have a Anonymous they're all they're trying to they're struggling they we're talking about that might end up having to be another because of this if we don't come up with the answer for him so we're struggling with they're looking everywhere how does one understand this gamara is the gemara saying that you needed that if someone says it's not enough he could say like this he could say he's another and then he just has to add one of these things he could either say about the Lila or you could say or you could say push them because all three of these things were different things that automatically someone will know he's referring to shimshin in Tanakh who is another anyway um this is Robert's real and they and they and they had all this so the first person who writes about it is the is um maribe RAV as I said and he comes up with a Hector now you have to understand this Hector is incredible one sees his originality he's stuck he has the gamaras he's learning the Mars and there's nothing there's no and he uses a few suggests and a few other things and he basically he comes up that it's mutter why because he's not because he didn't use all the little shyness of this Mission which is not so simple that's obviously what everyone talks about now one of the problems which we mentioned is there's very there's almost nothing on nothing what is there out there myself there's a rambam and basically this man so that comes a key thing you open up the rambam cryptic Netflix had understand the rambam so they're handling ahead on the standard rambam so he comes up with the whole shot it just seems to be a steering around my managed like these Island today you have a random Mysterio comes up with a whole creative Mahala how to do it and it becomes he passkins that Rebecca is not a nazia great okay problem is that not everyone agree with him already then it gets out to them the Mizrahi writes a 10 12-page trova incredible to see because a lot of times when you read a trooper safer what happens is like this you're learning a safer and you don't know the other suggest they could whip out and still get from Timbuktu and another signal from Timbuktu because these were talking about the Giants of the time here it's all here it's nausea nadarum you don't have to know anything else to that you don't have to know Clallam from anywhere you learn the suggest you just learn Tafe Nazir it's amazing Hazard to see Crystal Clear their language is easy to understand I would love to spend the time to go through each thing this will take hours anyways very sharp says what are you talking about and in the in what's fascinating um obviously one of the things that I find fascinating who is Rebecca so you have to understand is famous for being the author of The enyangtov he's older than the maribe rav also tremendous God all the time all these people a lot of them were survivors of the dark garish of the gayest star they're the gay rashvara they were the people thrown out there and their stories are each one is more interesting than the next also a key player in this sugyo so he's the famous controversy so now and he gets involved in this topic he says it came to me the story and he writes that it's postured terrible it's not a Hector there's no Hector under the sun um and interestingly enough what does he say I'm look he's tracking down svarum they're looking they're looking to see maybe we could find the limits close and he's getting um a few copies of the smack to make sure the Russian is correct and he's getting manuscripts of the gamara and he's trying to find the ramans perish and it's interesting The Ramones Punk here the ramen doesn't say anything in person with schneiders which would maybe help and then he says he luckily got a perish from her being a parent zakayan and he uses that and then he each thing it obviously is is more fascinating than next to someone like me and even though there's no sperm that he says at one point that get a gamara suvism carmine and in this kamara's massacres nausea and it says because he's trying they're basically trying to figure out every single thing because there's a d and if you open up your gamara over here you'll see right away you struggle how to read the gearsus is what's going on in the in the story and you see right away the recite him that they had that these pies can had anyway he turns up what the random and he has a murder interesting how to explain how the rambam is not how the Marine Bay RAF came out and it's not it's a problem it's a very big problem now we don't know as much as we know that a lot of people wrote about this topic we don't know what was Ruby's reaction and what was the reaction when all of a sudden opposition came in Mizrahi is against it against it for example the materials is only printed in the 1990s so but we know then that they knew about it how do we know because the different of them quoted anyway just to throw out there if one learns the Marshall and the suggested handling it they're all struggling with this thing interestingly enough there's a fascinating Eerie has a whole different now what's interesting is the native uses the Mary over here contrary this is throwing to a tying entire says what do you mean he doesn't even understand why anyone what's anyone talking about is after a partial arrived from you xiaomi that he's a Nazir as Isaac to me returns as Doctor mayor some kind of felution on chess and if you look into this after the disaster says the same as the usual me interestingly enough I did not find in the truth instead of talking about and we know they they weren't so lazy many of the people at least in that period of time were not so as you can say they barely had copies of it anyway bottom line is that these were the two Greeks those are basically a Big Mac like us just to finish up over here it says follows um second okay he has um he has a Shiloh someone basically was a nausea he came towards Israel because he he figured he can't be another elsewhere and he wants it was a Hector so again this rambam somehow comes into a lot he was being another Simpson and it seems that they was trying to find somehow a header the bit I think does end up coming up with a header kinire he's going based on the mahalochov who the maribe rav who he said is Israeli okay the moral back talks about a yid the moral Bach who his father is Rebecca vancom who's against the hector lamisa there were seems there was someone that was neither Nazir championship and he did not say and he said he just said and he doesn't know about the whole he just thought it's clear what happened that once it became like a catchphrase a lot of the people didn't know what they were saying so anyway here he says it could be it's not a problem because the guy didn't know what he was saying okay that's great but that was that story anyway turns out um many more God doesn't get involved regressive taichik who's he so he was someone Magnum first and very highly just this week I have a Shalom just put out a beautiful Edition including new manuscripts of the Magnum and you can see in there how he's referred to by the malach of the base yasif anyway mayor Benito has collected some of his materials and recently even more stuff of his have been attributed to him someone wrongly some rightfully and he's a key player he also has a truth about it he learns so you can imagine which side he might end up taking now um okay just this a few months ago a word came out from the stalling the rebels Library also from this goofa bandhire of the bay series of and everything he has at least two truvis about it where he also talked is this all taking place at the time of the discussion is that the discussion uh kamuric discussion later on right these whatever you think clone that was happening right at the time excellent point very important Point reverse of Thai chick is at the same time and the stone the stone the this book but it's the impact of what was happening he saw the sack of abuse of Thai chicken he's reacting to that and then he the next two in his safer he also was asked about Shiloh now so you see it it's on one hand that dealing with the the actual thing abusive Tai Chico Marshall is dealing with the same story with the maribe versus um but some of them it's the outcome of it I'm just not giving the exact dates for everyone okay now and Justin part of your story gonna discuss Harry Potter himself um accepted or what he did so I I don't know it's it's a it's fascinating we know so much and we know so much about what did he say about the sack what we do know is that he that he ends up remaining a keeper we don't know that he's in lazier so I guess that he went with the sack of uh that it's a that it's Heather and it's clear from the truth is that they know that he's a tremendous so they throw out these little shinings there anyway there's a true from the red vans so this chuva so again the revised wrote prolific and hilarious his his period of time is also this time period um now he writes a chuva but it's not clear if it's him they found the chuva so remember wise is convinced it's the advance professor heavilin and others they're convinced it's another year from this time of schmoobank but the bottom line is they try to do computer identification which is ways of how to identify based on um very sophisticated computer technology but they're not able to confirm but bottom line is it's one of these questions anyway fine um one last uh one last new maram welcome about it and then we'll conclude Isaiah there's another truth and say if it also came out this year and this seems to be also the time the base yasif another manuscript this guy has a man this gun has a massive tremendousship he starts out his chuva some brought up a whole story to him about a whole case another assumption seems to be a whole fight um to pay a whole page about what the fight was but then he starts he goes like this right so it's interesting he's referring to about the story everyone knows about he says like this is so it seems like basically agreed with the merib and I would guess there is foreign the last idea of this thing this Republic he says like this he's asked the Shiloh of Batman the guy to hear his quote he says like this he named me Le flim previously kasafati karma chuve is basically I'm I'm not interested anymore I've been giving attack I mean to say that it came up so many times so so this is also another manuscript that was discovered so it's not only that there's manuscripts that exist and everything they're constantly finding more how far this concept was anyway I don't know what it is but they say there's some type of thing sometimes an expression Creeps in for whatever the expression is and then everyone starts using it and it's clear from the different people that are using it that that they a lot of them they had no clue what in the world they were saying I'm just gonna find one other quote and then conclude if I could find the quotes hold on uh lucky I cannot um okay so just to conclude as follows um I can't find that last quote so we'll have to live without it um hold on we'll just find this basically what what the mascara is like this all of a sudden something that didn't happen in the times we were shining was never no present somehow in the 1500s it becomes precedent and then I originally I was going to say that maybe we're going to show the ones he did it and it got so much um that Marathon started using that Russian in their in their speech without having any idea what they're doing means in the case perhaps became so famous everyone was tumbling about it so the robundum was tumbling about it that might not they had no idea they knew maybe what nothing is so they started using as a sprach because they saw that it could possibly be taken whatever and there was certainly that were us so they used it as a sort of a threat anyway you see from this what something a theme that comes out when you learn sections analyze everything when someone said something you had to mean what you said and then they would analyze it to death and this is what the suggests are a guy says something what does he mean and this is what happened over here said something and then it was analyzed what it meant and Lamesa it's it spawned dozens of troubles about it um and this is again one more famous thing of distribution that's out there okay that's it okay thank you very much um for this wonderful presentation perhaps we could get something on a beautiful Channel himself one day and all the other characters that you mentioned in this episode so looking forward to the upcoming episodes on saita and casual yo again we always are open to sponsorships for these episodes and other topics are available as well please be in touch with myself and or Rabbi Dr liezabrat and of course you can be in touch with him with comments suggestions and some of the PDF materials that he mentioned foreign [Music]