Nazir: Learning Maseches Nazir Through The Ages

foreign [Music] to another episode on our usual this is our original that's what we started with we started with exploring the masectus how the mastectas will learn throughout the ages and their pirushim and their mafarshim the heintega as we like to call it which elieza brought pretty much stays away from he stays away from his farm stores as he's told us in the past addicts have to know exactly where they're allowed to go what their boundaries are so it's not a place that he frequents although everything's available online now but mostly so we are here to discuss at the beginning recording this it is Monday is beginning on Wednesday and versus Hashem this should be exciting and enlightening for everybody as they begin the message I personally had the opportunity to learn something else sectors Nazir nishiva's brisk way back in the day and Eliezer asked me what we used there what was our go-to Cipher so I remember the Karen Ira I remember obviously what they call their the Taya and zaida who is elevation's Father Roberto salovich and his grandfather biscarov we have stencilach and perhaps elieza brought to fill us in a little bit more and some of the others from it may be used by other people who are learning the sectors Nazir so without further ado Rabbi Prat how are you today good to hear so we always pose the question how was Mrs nausea learned throughout the generations so is there something right off the bat do you want to tell us about this Nazir before we even get to Rashi which I think I shouldn't say it that's everyone right everyone will see agrees that it's not rashes I'm afarish um we don't know if it's everyone we'll find out but what is it to say before we get to Rashi so obviously the first question that we usually start out with is did they learn it Through the Ages okay that's the question so the answer obviously will hopefully become um throughout the episode we'll be able to see what exactly happened looking into documents of the of of libraries and collections that survive the Kyrie against we do find that there were copies of misakis Nazir which romino has learned but it doesn't necessarily mean it was learned widespread in yeshivas um especially of notice that the the shiny svarad such as the ramban we don't know if they have a road and later on such as the Marshall the martial didn't and normally it's assumed that it's linked to tamidim when they gave Sheeran it so it seems it wasn't part of the curriculum even in the times but Rabbi Blau which we'll get to soon he seems to make a list of some mepharium that did exist um he actually discovers a few which we will learn about anyway because of this that it wasn't really learned it seems that this is the cause explained by many for the of the gemara that the nusuf is very hard more than other masakras even and for already we discussed a little bit by myself similar this is the rabinovich and the safer Shari Tyrus Babel talks about the language of the sacrament there are other makaris for this but the text because it's not learned as much it's not as it didn't go through let's say the even the Marshall and the Marshall that that plays a role in the gemara as we have it today for this um we've mentioned the past just to throw out there there are tools some tools one is the dik2k safe from which we actually spent an episode a little bit talking about byevsky last week oh he did not get to write about nausea but someone in Chicago or if Hyman I believe it is in the 1940s did transcribe the manuscript of Nazir it's found in some editions of the degree site firm just recently literally a few weeks ago mahontamin Israeli who's also we described the drap is working to finish up which did not do they just released the first volume which is on more than the first half of them so this has many manuscripts whatever the manuscript situation is at the gemara and it's very important as we will see as we move on and one last tool out there just to mention like every massage I try to find if there's junkies if there's High ticket junkies if there's old junkies so there is a person it seems that he is a junkie on this message his name is Usher zanenfeld and from the year 2000 to 2014 he put out numerous Works which from which we'll get to throughout the course of the episode anyway those are the very very basic situation about the text of the gemara but we'll get more to it as we move along excellent okay so let's Jump Right In to Rashi not Rashi the matharis and uh what could be found on the page itself it's also a little bit different than the typical page correct yeah yes there's a little more there's a little more action on the page that it's there's a little more action on the page than some other music okay so first the question is is it rashing so if you open up your gemara and you look at Rashi and and if you look at the um the first remember in his Gillian or the first Gillian of fabricidega on the side of the standard Jazz Vilma he says the safer uh brings down from the almalachi the parish Nazir enemy Rashi okay so this is very quoted already abusive Engel in his Gil yoine talks about this and this is a well-known discussion it is a little discussion in the famous ideas also dealing with if it's Rashi or not points to that we have some that do have seem to have Rashi such as the Miri which will um and also which we're going to get to later on one of the big discoveries for this message does quote Rashi so the question in general has been asked is the Rashi right on it and got lost and how did that happen or he never wrote about it um and is this Parish really Rashi or not anyway it seems way back when um I guess the early dating is the base Asif brings from someone earlier than him pointing out that the route that the perish on the side is not Rashi and it's called the mafarish by Asif I believe and for example of ram in Simon Zion when he's talking about igamara and adaram he refers to he brings down a reverse he says um okay maisa in looking into this farm from the koof of the base yasif in shoes that relate to inyanum of Nazir which we might touch on a drop soon they when they handle this masakta and they talk about Rashi they call it Rashi so even though the basic had earlier Messiah and I'm mentioning magnavram who probably got it through them maybe even through the basically Asif anyway the mice we have the Miri we have a problem in a heart these two we shine and bring down stuff from Ashi fast forward the year 1800 is a Hebrew called bursiakov he seemed to have had manuscripts and he has pieces of Rashi okay fast forward I mentioned this junkie um Harry Fishel which we actually discussed about this macron in general in an episode with Rohan krievsky in season one so he has a three volume set called Tyrus Nazir one of the vowings that he put out is the um Rashi material from the scriber bursiakov okay now if you open up your size Vilma on the side of the gemara they say they um they they have this um they say nusra e is now in the open up the shower of the shaftsville they say when they're highlighting all the different things that they added in that was not in previous komars which is dozens of different things over a hundred items they say rivon is um that is what the perish on the side of the gemara is we say the mafarish of Nazir they're saying is the Revan um based on their manuscript that they found um and then they said that they found a more a better manuscript so those guys that are not so if you you so the that's found on the side of the gemara is just additions to the massage so basically we're it's somewhere it has something to do with rashi's base matters the rivon we know has a lot to do with the basement so that's what the Charles villner okay now um for example the the native in Hammock Shayla he says and probably it might even have to do with the chance will know that that's where his information is from that he says it's he's going with that's the river anyway um so this this topic has been discussed a lot a person who devoted a ton of energy and articles and discovering materials about the ravan was you named the yak of nachem Epstein a professor in Hebrew University and he has he has authored a ton of articles in the uh maybe started in the 1920s about the Revan his whole base madrish the peruset vermaisa and he deals with rashingadarim and Rashi and babakamam rashing suvis and Rashi also in Nazir he has over 35 Pages dealing with this in great depth his conclusion is it's not it is not um what Shas Vilma attributes it to be he does not he does not believe it is the Revan so who does he say it is his conclusion and obviously if one wants to to read up on it to read his articles it's from Peru vermaizo these are also perusum that are around the time of Rashi in in those areas that have that has to do with Aaron Aaron in his doctor doctorate on Rashi we've quoted him in the past that he's put out some additions on Rashi he also he sums up the the materials that exist about what the different discussions um between Epstein and others about it anyway fast forward to um recent years in 1996 the convent there was a convention about not the kairag Nissan but it's called the the Italian genizo this is um discoveries that are found in book bindings Of Swarm that are found all in all different collections in Europe svarum were used to buying books and they found that they used manuscripts as farm and sometimes with crazy how they're able to do it they're able to preserve many times pages and whole a bunch of pages of different it's all long story we're not going to get into it so there was a convention in 1996 about it where they summed up um for this convention maybe before so one of the people who Professor simple Emmanuel who his um spends a lot of time locating lost works of ushinam has been successful in locating them and um discussing this in his books and his articles so he gave a massive what's the what's the situation based on all the different discoveries over here one of the things he says is uh luckily we found for the first time Rashi and Nazir for blacked okay you know even that's something and this is a 1996. okay now at that time he didn't have a proper scans of the rashes so that was his conclusion fast forward a few years later he was able to look at it much more carefully he wrote a more extensive article where he updated his discussion about the discoveries from the Italian Visa anyway he deals with that length six seven pages about Rashi anazir his conclusion is most likely it's not Rashia Nazir he deals with this Epstein's his conclusions he talks about it but his conclusion um and one of the he doesn't have a clear conclusion about it um because of different ways whatever to board it's not not exactly important to go into the depths how every single thing is done but they do do this through intense learning of understanding the little shyness of this and different things that they made up anyway um so tashma says it's personal against uh what now what all these things mean these are all um people or whatever going on in times they're actually we're not going to go into the depth we're just just touching on it the last thing is as follows um recently while I was um I come across the Macon plans on putting out rashio Nazir I reached out to Rabbi shashana the head of he was calling to send me some of the that they did that he claims that he has been able to discover a lot of Rashi on the masecta including through the um a better edition of this person that we mentioned that whatsoever me that was from 1800 that seemed to have had a manuscript through other tools of figuring out what Rashi is from her and also manuscripts that he also he hopes the next few months to actually publish the Rashi on nazia maybe will be now a generation to have the actual Rashi anyway that is for that's a story in a nutshell um of of about Rashi on the masato but better to do it than thoroughly than just to throw it out there in time for that Yami um interesting okay correct okay right so now the story goes okay so but pretty much is there any other shining so um sadly this it takes a very long time for Hashem to start coming out in 1774 the shitu Miku betas comes out under the name of cephasocaine and new additions have been put out won by this macron Harry official and also by Meister of cook in recent years both are based on the manuscript but anyway 1774 is the first time that even if you want to have a reason a real reason that's what there is eventually at one point they pull out different materials from the shooting limiters anyway okay 1795 the meerie on the second nausea comes out as we said Miri has rashes okay fast forward many years later 1868 the tysis read is printed for the first time and then there is some materials amazing going back to this person from honorary official they he reprints the tysus read based on new manuscripts and he does a better Edition with footnotes everything that's in recent years okay now when you open up your Shas Vilma you see on the side that there's a rush so the rush it seems is also a new manuscript that they got for Shaz will know that's what they write on the side and later on it was discovered Isis Rush on the masecta so basically when you so as we're moving forward the massacre is getting some materials of reshinen but not as not it's not like the standards um that has many who shine him okay fine fast forward in our generation we have um a Victor Reilly puts out a safer territory shine him and so to the fellow from Harry Fishel puts out collections of we shining that are elsewhere about these a lot of times people find these lucutum useful anyway okay that's um partially the story of Richard the conclusion of the story of shainam starts from I believe somewhere in the 1960s and this is where my Chevrolet in some episodes I don't have enough time to give him the proper credit and Amir Tasha maybe one day it will be good to give him the proper credit to try to tell his story but ramesha boy was a person that was he published dozens of rashinim from manuscript from I'm not sure when he started but for sure in the 60s they were coming out until he died there's over four something like 40 volumes of materials of his they deal with halacha samagada and a lot of them what he discovers is a game changer for the massacre number one is he finds which we already discussed a drop about it in masectus and one just looks at tascamas even a vermisha Feinstein who gave him as comma which is interesting in light of the claims our Maisha Is Not So Pro is for example of Maisha writes about the project of um that this helps greatly for the Mercedes um and having these mafarsham are very very useful he says this in um one second in one of the volumes Nazir he says um it says we call him is so it sounds like he holds you could use these mammash for everything um he's writing this in the bloody we shine him and it's been claimed by many that are maisha's NATO into New China anyway um he puts out this he puts out Ramana heart which interestingly enough is from the manuscript of himself very unusual to have that the re that the manuscripts that we have are from the actual authors usually there's been a long time since that it's not from the author themselves but this is a case of through author himself okay anyway he puts out um besides for putting out Ramana he puts out places for being a parrots and a very nice Amanda material a ref turn this an isometric material um material from Israel and even materials from that was not published before so have to Misha ramesha Blaise the various discoveries now finally someone sits down I don't know brisk if they sat down with the blurry showing him I I suspect not but the because from what I can from what I recall they're not so into these types of reshining um anyway the point is there's plenty what to do um Nazar is getting in our generation that there's a change of drastic change but this is the story of the reshaiden okay fine so now you just added a few more years of people learning except this Nazir to their lives um fine those are you saying them because could one use to help them learn the sectors Nazir so so bar Hashem after when you it's interesting to see again by the time we finish the list you'll see that today if someone wants to remember section there's material out there starting in for example in 1821 a Hebrew comes the antarus Nazir and but this is interesting is this author died in 1657 and this author was wrote a thorough safer but it took a long time for his descendants to publish it anyway he he deals with Rashi he calls it Rashi so again we see even after the time in the very series of people calling it Rashi anyway fast forward Akiba comes out called this becomes in certain places the go-to safer anonymous published when in 1723 today one could find it in the back of the Shasta vilnum okay are we see from as follows what um just has been write up about him a little bit from Rabbi Levine in one of his volumes published by Meister of cook and even has some interesting information which we'll quote in a minute basically this um eshar which again was done by this macron Harry official he publishes a fancy edition of it it's very hard to read with footnotes and everything and we read that you see why he chose to do one is we've quoted in the past numerous times there's a safer has that no one learns he says there's no martial there's no martial it's not so most people don't learn it so therefore and then he plugs in the safe hasidim which I also said uses it a lot and by much we discussed about so that's why it triggered him to go out of his way to learn this message and write a parish now when he what he noticed is the gear which is was noticed by many is the text is very hard so he tried with the with early editions that had that existed at the time of gamars and trying to read it very carefully to try to figure out he didn't have manuscripts but he tried very hard to figure out the text of the gemara he was actually for paranasa at certain point he acted as a magia for various printing impresses anyway he was a talmud of government oppenheim we've mentioned the past has a crazy Farm library in a letter that this Levine publishes amongst different things it's a long letter for that period of time he writes that maybe you have in your library an old in in manuscript that could help me for my project anyway he he also works on the rambamum relating to Nazir because that's one of the only materials that they had he didn't have all these restraining that we mentioned that where's that he had to have in our generation anyway he also he's very involved he's famous for working on the Darke Maisha he publishes the dark emoja on your day from manuscript the first person interestingly enough the Darke Maisha which is the key way to understand the Rama was not published by the ramana's lifetime it wasn't published by talmudim for many many years it was not available until today until recent years only came out which is a funny thing when you think about the fundamental acronym of hours it's safer to explain himself where he he at least gives you some idea of where he's coming from was not published so at least in your day it took time but this fellow he was the person behind publishing it this led to fights with Rebecca Reicher anyway aquapon this is the safer and it's found today in the back of asha's Vilma and as I said Harry Fishel put out a beautiful edition of the safer now if you go further on the um again this year 1821 comes up does it say for xiaomi Nazir was another fellow trying to get a hold of old manuscript he also tried to get old additions of the gemara again we see it struggling for the text of the gemara at one point this person writes that the Russian Ani which we've mentioned in the past is Rashid Russia Davis of the Hardman sectors he says referring to Nat um Nida but it's referring to Nazir anyway okay fast forward again in the same period of time in the 1820s robertsberger from Prague we're not going to get into his whole interesting story but he puts out his family member of his puts out the mice arav today if you open up your trans vilna they have it on the side on this message he's using heavily the Irish major he also doesn't have manuscripts anyway we move on to a little further so the question is did they haven't learned it in Yeshiva interestingly enough we go to the to the um the father of all Yeshiva shiva's valajan so yes we have an account of in 1826 them learning a very interesting Epstein a talmud avalajan also learned which is a tremendous host anyway he learned parability in the first piece he has I'm not here he says repeat over and he gives the date and he says use the arch major so we have it being learned in interestingly enough one of the main go-to aquarium is called Berger's Reich this safer published um he's born in 1797 he dies in 1866. okay who is this person this is from Usher I think it's his name was now what's interesting about this person is he's a talmud by none other than and such a talmud he ends up at the age of 18 he's invaluation for three four years and he ends up giving sheer in villages time for three years in valagian it's not a known fact but this the son writes this in the various abdomas of the svarum of his of his fathers that he now the father published on Amazon again the concern is to focus on the nostrils um the 18 and 1876 is a later edition of the safer and this author this Reich is very famous for a different safer people don't know that he's the author of it but the famous Casa rice which is many of them hug us and questions that people tell me them as discuss this material about to grow interesting stuff which recently it's a very famous apher there's been many editions of the safer recently someone put it out with a catchy title called Yeshiva which is a catchy title but it it has there's many manuscripts of this it's its own story anyway also put out edition of it recently anyway this is one of the more um thorough swarm on the Merced um from the from a talmud over time the launcher okay we move on there's a safer like its room is who is this repentance turns out it's published in 1866. literally a few years after the birkas Reich because Rush turns out who is he he's a talmud mover by this he's in the same city as this rabasher and he puts it out he gets a scummer from his rebbe from the right she says yeah I know you're using my safer he says he's not hiding anything over here and basically he was making I guess he was trying to make um an easier version or something for for people but okay now just to throw out here as we like to throw out sometimes tidbits this who is this he becomes a lit for sharov he writes on some other masaktas and kachem and rushes of his survived Joshua's that he gave in his kihilus from the 1860s to the 1880s in 1959 my great uncle Rabbi abazayans published them he was a great grandson somehow from this Mahal and he printed these Russia's available on Hebrew books now what's interesting is a story attributed with this in general in the lit Fischer world they're not very fond of saying over my sim stories but in in this book from this um from Rabbi science he brings down but a known story that was with the famous but Mark haslanimer also another great little Chicago who was actually known as a balmofus in the lit visual World which is unique they say that used to send people to him for when people had um issues um different issues and he was he was a known by myfus now but he's also tremendous and he put out recently not recently ready it's been a very long time put out a volume of it's called hadris Mordechai alatorium viratius supposedly very soon shemais is finally supposed to be coming out according to different write-ups about Mr Baron and recent Publications that I've seen hopefully that's true now what's the story in in brief the story is that this remark of slalomer had a dream and basically the the um there was a safer at the time there was a safer way way back Marie benleaf seems the Murray believe pask in the Shiloh and and someone that he passed in the Shiloh to didn't like his answer it was a dentair and he slaps this mariben lathe in the face and it was a known story it's brought down in history books from way back in the career Diaries fast forward remote astronomers gets a dream and it turns out that um basically The Descendant something to do with the descendant needs a tick gun it could be remarkable is a descendant somehow this person who slapped him or even leave the Marie Ben leave is coming to him in the dream and says you have to learn my swarm as a tikkum I don't have this Farm says he goes yes but there's a you that does have it repentance happened to be a good friend of buy it from him and that will help him be able to publish his Works later on on kochem because he's not able to publish his works on kutchem um he's lacking money so you'll be buying the Murray Ben live this will help as a take on you're going to learn the marine life for four years you have to learn my swarm as a tick and for your descendant that he slap me in the face this is going hundreds of years that something's happening to this meshama anyway this is the What's significant over here is many people like to say about um this is a literature okay anyway returning back to our regular episode is the Karen Ira as you mentioned that you learned this it's 1868 published again we've spoken the past as he directly a talmerican village or not but it's deals and he calls the parish Rashi going back to valajun the native we have a lot of um a lot basically the homosexual he uses the tandemiri which will go back to the episodes on repine kanyevsky using him he calls it the Farish okay now fast forward to 1966 a discovery is made um how this discovery was made will be an interesting story I'm not sure what exactly because how they discovered but he discovered in Hebrew University a manuscript of the Romero Simcoe a lot of material and a lot of material on nausea is published in khaduation okay Darko this has a lot of material relating to you xiaomi he also brings Miri and Deals a lot with the rambam so again we have another person using the reshinam especially the Miri font now in the 1930s where hookner puts out a safer called Tyrus and Nazir and has us Commerce and as commas um quota scammers one has come he gets is from a footner and if one goes to buy the standard tires and nausea that's I think available today the Cyber footner is from a climazer sorry it has this as Kama from user impressive haskama okay then he also has on the next page two escamus one is from rev cook and the other one is from the dvarovrum however in later editions it seemed to have been removed why one will have to ask various kind of Learners to have the backstory of why that is so what happened was there anything that happened that made him remove these two escams because of this censorship it has become now found many times in auction houses it sells for a few hundred dollars because it's the original the original hebor had um other as commas undertaken here anyway fast forward go back to this Harry Fishel Macon so they also published this fellow Publishers of Ricky Vega Publishers at some point they find the spasmus after the war on dismasecta also I'll just mention there's a hibernism from a fellow group of rum Crone someone that I knew from in the past lifetime I think he might be in Waterbury as a very thorough safer on them I saw it on Hebrew Books in it it has tired for those that learned in the mirror from Russia really even um and that's and that is just just to show you that I could once in a while tell you a mention a more contemporary safer okay now just to end off with the following a few brief points and that's it number one what about Halal mice is and why isn't really brought in now interestingly enough looking about this I see I reminded myself that the Magna of Ramirez has a discussion relating with it turns out with Ruby so when we post enough possibly is rebe it's even dated it's taking place in tough anyway the shack has a discussion about if why these Allah is no issue why there's no discussion really and he talks about he has a nice peace because he ends off with the following statement statements which sounds like now what there was some chuvas it came up for real now fast forward you look on the same page you'll see the piscuit involved he brings the the over here he doesn't tell you whichever brings you a nice list now then episcopa throws out the famous thing that everyone knows when you're handling a Taurus if it's not okay he throws it out over there also anyway interestingly enough this is which is a similar type of work as Rama a composition and it's first printed in the this particular these samanim are first printed early on um in the early 1700s in the chuvis when he publishes his father's work anyway over there itself he has a Rico's nifla of a cecum of hilchus Nazir he also has a bigger shimshan being Malacca from many chuva swarm about another championship has been many discoveries about even in the past few months I've gotten some Nutri versus it seems it was very common in that period of time to have shyless about Nazir shimshen if if someone it could be I don't know I can't promise but maybe we might do an episode specifically with the historical aspects of all the different truths about it and what's going on as it plays out with himself with another assumption but being that we're having great difficulty lately of finding sponsors for such episode I can't promise such a thing so I'm always saying believe that they're bad after especially learning not we're still learning the dharm now fast forward to have especially heavily heavily devoted based on the rambam and your xiaomi okay now but is there anything more and the answer is of course there always is and that is it is a skibber called nazare Elohim the the put out by Friedman it's the title on the front page it says mitzis on his ears and here we have a few hundred Pages almost 350 Pages devoted to the Sugi of Nazi and Allah myself and then also bar Hashem people always looking for new ways right we discussed about the mishna Brewer phenomena of writing's Farm in the form of the mission of Brewer kamuna we have a beautiful safer called pistol from someone 400 Pages he does specify already in the front that it's not but it looks like a fascinating he has a similar Mission type Style with the charity just to mention him and then to be Messiah um we always have to throw out this just as any academic materials so there is one is this Daniel Professor Daniel boyerin wrote put out a critical edition of the first few proctim of nausea based on the manuscripts and also there's Aid who is Nifty sadly who's sick iron Shemesh from barilan University put out a small academic book on Nazir all about in historical aspects to be Messiah were there any people in history that La maisa took on some level of being a nausea in any form so one of the people that always fascinated me um for personal reasons because my grandfather was a talmud of his was the Ragged shover I remember coming across one time when I was in high school the pardes yasif from Rabbi mandolam had come out on by midbar he was completing the he was working on completing the original part of the series which was on racist if there brings out a story it seems the um the Raga Travelers was affiliated with a very fond of of mentioning this and have they have a few books about it anyway the point is that it seems that he told them make sure to learn Nazir and the ragic supposedly took that to mean what does it mean to learn nausea why is it different than anything else that maybe he wants him to be another in the rare pictures the many today it's not as rare but those eclectic denim pictures in the time back in the day the Olympics of the Dragon were considered rare you always see his hair all over the place so the the tribute the claim was it's because there's another there's in recent years there's been discussions about it it seems it's not true he did cut us here um maybe not often maybe it had to do a bit of Tyra there's a small booklet called me tairasa is from someone who's I would call him one of the one of the many ragged shover junkies from Odin Elite and he has a whole discussion about it where his conclusion is that he it's nothing to do with being a nazare to conclude because one of the daily tal medium of cook was David hanazir which I believe the old office I'm sponsoring a special episode about the the Nazi the history of it you could you could see it on um they'll be sending out uh the links about it sooner anyways here so in his fashion who's a talmud bye with Cork and valve was putting out his materials also a fascinating interesting person as you'll find out if you listen to that episode but the point is in his autobiography which is incredible to read he was a Nazir and you're right he was another of some sort I guess it requires explanation what type of Nazir just to end with this statement that he says he says if the way he begins this piece is anyway this is a passage that's in his fascinating autobiography which sadly we don't have the whole thing we only have parts of it the sun didn't I guess want the whole thing to come out anyway that's the story in short of Nazir so one could see that today in 2023 or if you're not learning there's a tons of material to learn this from sector it's been many years getting stuck down the rabbit holes of this okay thank you very much another fascinating episode on Safra Hamas actor we are looking forward to hearing other episodes on other topics um once again if 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