Weekly Update: Nachum Segal and Malcolm Hoenlein Discuss the Latest News 11/28/25

Malcolm Homeline is with us. We call this the weekly update conference of presidents of major American Jewish organizations. Mr. Homeline, welcome back to JM and the AM. >> Well, good always to be with you, even on a Black Friday. [laughter] >> But we turn it into a blue and white Friday. >> Yeah, hopefully. I appreciate that very much. Uh, it is a bit more relaxed today, which gives me an opportunity to toss out a philosophical question to you because normally we're going with the hardcore news, I'm proud to say. But today again, a bit more relaxed. After all, not everybody around the world gets this, but here in the US we do. It is Thanksgiving weekend. So, here's what I was thinking of, Malcolm. Tonight is my grandmother's yard site. I think I've shared with you in the past that she was uh she was in high school in Austria when World War I broke out. Just to give you some perspective, right? [laughter] >> Yeah, I know. Oh my goodness. Right. Born in 18 Born in 1898, then of course moved to Germany. And both you and I have these German roots. My mother was born in Kurl. They now call it Cologne. Your family is from what city in Germany? >> My mother from Frankfurt and my father from near Nuremberg, a little town called Emroy near Furt, which is well known because of Kissinger. did but we we we we have a connection and uh the um and it's a small place but one of the series of communities in southern Bavaria and later they believe that some of them were actually people who came in in after the uh expulsion from Spain came across Bavarian Alsate found now in archaeological digs synagogue remnants of the synagogue inspired design in southern Bavaria. Yeah. >> Wow. That's cool. My mother, in fact, you mentioned Kissinger. My mother was a big Kissinger fan. Could never Yeah. But again, because of the proximity, you know, and >> they don't want to understand what he was saying. >> Never forgave him for intermaring. That's a whole other thing. That was a whole, you know, that was a big topic in my house all the time. >> I will tell you something. I can say now that he when my where as I said my father came from was close to where his came from and my quote aunt was his mother's one of his mother's closest friends and when I raised it with it he wouldn't talk about it he just shut it off every time you know and you know they found papers of his from he was a member of the as a kid in uh and they found papers actually with his name and stuff his test scores and but his membership there and he wouldn't talk about it. One time I was invited to the exhibition game in in Giant Stadium of Manchester United and I was seated between Ple and Kissinger. >> Wow, that's cool. >> And I was interpreting for them. Kissinger couldn't understand a word Ple said. Pelle couldn't understand the word Kissinger said >> and they were both speaking English >> that so supposedly >> that's hilarious. So I interpreted it from one I would say you say and then he would say you know in Spanish something or semi-English and I would interpret back and forth between them. >> That's unbelievable. Then at one point, Kissinger just opened up about about his Jewish background and asking me questions. And from then on, he every time he would raise questions or talk or or raise issues about it. And it was a remarkable transformation that took place later in his life, much later. Uh [clears throat] but it was really remarkable. >> It's funny because I don't know if you agree with this or not. I was much younger at the time, but it never seemed to me that his Jewishness was a major factor in Washington, especially visav um negotiations and policy regarding Israel. Now, am I right or I was just naive back then? >> It's probably a combination. Uh to say it played no role is not true. and and you know there were people certainly during the Soviet jury movement he and I were on opposite sides and got into public clashes though thank god later on he didn't remember it was me uh about Jackson Banick he did which was really critical in the rescue he opposed it as did Nixon President Nixon >> oh interesting >> initially and then Congress led by Senator Jackson and Congressman Banick you know overruled it and it got enacted uh eventually the Um uh and they brought a lot of pressure to bear on us and on the community to oppose us on it. >> But but but today but today someone of his faith again meaning Judaism it would be much more under scrutiny. I mean we know this just from the Joel Lieberman you know potential of him becoming vice president. Right. >> Right. But it was a big issue then too. people did raise it, but you know, he wasn't so overtly involved in the Jewish community, born of the Jewish faith, but he >> he was not overtly like Joe Lieberman >> was or is was and and at the time uh and he um uh he he he at times, you know, opposed us and had some the famous story about him and gold in my ear about saying that told the secretary, you know, I'm a I'm an American and I'm a secretary of state and I'm a Jew and she said yes but we read right to left so [clears throat] you're a Jew first. I love that. All right. So why do I BRING ALL THIS UP? YOU probably are asking yourself cuz I was saying to myself this morning and maybe it's the whole Black Friday thing. Everybody's going shopping. I'm sure you grew up in a household that always hesitated to buy German products. I have to assume that because I know what happened in my house. You know that would be the scrutiny. Did this product come from Germany? Did this car come from Germany? The whole thing, right? So now, I don't know if people realize, but these two major supermarket chains, Aldi and LLE, are both German companies. And I said to myself as I'm thinking about my grandmother's yard site tonight, I'm saying, I wonder if my parents would have never walked into those stores to shop because of their, you know, German uh roots. Wanted to get your opin wanted to get your opinion on that. Well, I think that um first of all to scrutinize every product would be almost impossible. There were symbolic products and and in our family, yes, you were right. They did not buy German products. >> Um and people didn't speak German. I learned to understand it because when elderly relatives came, you know, they would talk in German, so we shouldn't understand. Correct. But uh that's how you that's the best education I learned in learning a foreign language. But the um uh you know it certainly has changed because of of Germany's support for Israel and in Europe if it weren't for Germany we would be in big problems and even when we take some steps they took it back right away recently in terms of armaments and and other things and and Germany does stand up for Israel in the EU. So I think that you know has diminished a lot and frankly where there are a lot of other countries that today like say Ireland which is so viciously into Israel. Do we boycott Irish products? Do we boycott those others who who are you know working so adversely to towards Israel >> right that's true >> a globalized economy. >> So I got I got to stop joking with my wife every time she walks into one of those stores. Do you know what your mother-in-law would say if she if she knew you were I got to stop that, huh? Is that your advice? I think so. [laughter] >> All right, let's get to some of the news of the day. I hate starting on this side of the world, but I think it's necessary for the following reason. I think people are are not in tune with what the problem was post the demonstration. Again, we discussed some of this last week, but I got to make it clear and I need you to comment on it. Yes, the mayor elect of New York did condemn the um the protests going on at Park East Synagogue. He did condemn them and he discouraged the language. That's a quote. And he also said that New Yorkers must be quote free to enter a house of worship without intimidation. However, when he then followed up with these sacred spaces should not be used to promote activities in violation of international law, as friends of mine from Israel said now he has legitimized any type of protest like this in New York, obviously in New York because that's where he's going to be mayor or really anywhere else. And that's the difference. And I think Malcolm people sometimes forget that. And when they're pleading the case out there on behalf of Israel or on behalf of those who who f who find these protests so disturbing, I think people don't realize that yeah, there may be condemnations from government officials, but as soon as they say something like these sacred spaces should not be used to promote activities in violation of international law, they've taken it to a completely different level. And now those who are running events like this in synagogues are going to have to worry certainly uh much more about providing additional security. Your comments? >> Well, I think you said it that it was outrageous that he couldn't just issue a condemnation of the violent activities. It's he didn't stop people from >> [clears throat] >> um uh demonstrating and even demonstrating near. it's obstructing the entrance. Uh and in fact, they try to block people to from getting in. The language that was used was horrific. And the um the commissioners, you know, went to the synagogue and apologized on that last chabas about the fact that they failed to have the proper protection and stump. I'm sure, you know, across the street from the shul is the Russian mission to the UN. I'm sure that they had cops standing there to make sure that nothing uh spilled over. Uh [clears throat] but the they acknowledge a failure on their part. But the that has nothing to do with what the mayor's comments had he just struck stuck to the initial condemnation. Had this been outside of mosque, I'm sure they wouldn't have qualified it >> about activities of the Muslim Brotherhood care and all the other things who have potential associations with him and things that have been alleged about their the connection to groups that openly advocate violence. And here he had a group that simply was talking to people who wanted to find out what are the conditions for moving to Israel or for for purchasing a house or whatever in Israel. This is the most peaceful activity possible. This is not uh a violation of international law as he said and the very fact that he couldn't just issue a condemnation says where he is at where his mind is at that um and and we should keep this in mind. I'm not saying obviously he's going to be there for for four years and the the community needs a lot from the the city and the city uh you know we can't separate ourselves from it but I think we have to be uh aware I think the good news is that um the new president to the city council is somebody who is who is a moderate she's Jewish uh the fact that they would elect her even this city council which is generally described as pretty radical uh went for a moderate candidate I think is a is a positive sign. It doesn't it sets up a situation for potential differences between the mayor and city council but and it also you know sends a a positive message but we shouldn't think that this is a panacea. is not a cure for the fundamental problem. When you look at the people appointed to to the transition, when you see uh uh others who are getting appointed to to key positions in the new administration, uh there's every reason to be concerned and we we have to be outspoken. People cannot be intimidated from going not only to Nev but to any other event held in in a synagogue because of this. It's the job of the police and we have an amazing commissioner who who does take it personally and and seriously. Uh that that people have to actually double and triple quadruple the participation in events to show that we're not intimidated. We have to start today the voter registration for next year's guminatorial elections and and not wait till a month or two before that. Anybody who didn't register this year and didn't vote not only should be ashamed but can do chuva can repent by registering now and and doing it. And and I mean this very seriously. It's it's essential. It's will be a close race and it's statewide. So it's not the same rules as just a New York City election. uh and and obviously the state has a lot of say in what happens in the city as well and it and it communicates a message but obviously people are very concerned and I think that they have good reason to be. >> And for those curious the the major [clears throat] district major part of the district in the new speaker of the New York City Council's um um uh district, the major part is the upper east side of Manhattan. Uh and maybe this was some type of uh you know checks and balances. Maybe some felt that you know with the Mammi um administration coming in they needed someone you know of who's not identified as a progressive because obviously the progressives in city council took a big loss with this whole thing. >> Right. But uh but I think it's a message from the generally from the members that and I hear it from elected officials. They're concerned. People are concerned. They're worried about where he is headed. Um and of course the controversy over the way the president treated him and met with him and we discussed it already. Um but you know it still raises hackles in a lot of places about what was the message that was communicated and what happened in the private session and was this really a setup was you know the president manipulating it. The problem is that the world saw a different story. They saw a president embracing this uh very extreme person uh and uh who has expressed anti-semitic views or certainly has been associated with people who have and who took the opportunity their earliest opportunity at a a de a violent demonstration at a synagogue. If it had been at a mosque I assure you would not have qualified it by about about what was going on inside. >> Yeah, no question about it. It's America's one and only Jewish moments in the morning radio program to listen to sponsored digital radio around the world webin.com the nominal network of course the beloved NSN app. Make sure to support our year-end campaign. Go to fjbunity.org or go to the very top ofchool.com click on the big banner and become a donor, a supporter, a subscriber, somebody who uh uh shows us the appreciation they have that you have for the daily work that we do around the year here at JM and the NAM single network. So the story of the week unfortunately is what happened of course in Washington DC. We've seen what foreign nationals have done in Europe. We've discussed this a million times. I'm not just talking about um you know assassinations or terror situation terror attacks. I'm talking of course in general as well. Something that we continue to see and and and additionally fear here in the United States. Uh but this obviously got quite a reaction from Washington. Uh I'd like to think bipartisan. I'm not 100% sure about that. Um, do you think that this horrific terror attack in DC is going to actually accentuate and produce some change or the way things usually go a week or two from now it'll be gone and forgotten? >> Well, uh, first we mourn the death of the of the one soldier and pray for the recovery of the other. Um I know I think I think it will resonate for a while but as you say it dissipates with time but we see the more and more aggressive stance being taken and the more violence that is being introduced in our country and that the um and the relationship about what why Afghani who fought with or aided American troops you know turned this way I I think we'll find out much more about associations we always do you know, there very rarely is somebody truly a lone wolf, you know, that that they have no associations whatsoever. But we're seeing the escalation again so soon after the uh ceasefire in the Middle East withah attacking and wounding six soldiers this morning uh and the the um escalation still of of and kamas still you know claiming victories and refusing to disarm and refusing to disarm and some saying they're even stronger today than they were which I do not uh believe is the case but they are growing and Iran is again trying to smuggle uh weapons and constantly Israel's finding these weapons depot and blowing them up and taking targeted action including the killing of Tbatay who was the chief of staff in Kisbah which was very important move he was a very bad guy and as you know thinning the the ranks of their leadership means that they have to reach down deeper and deeper to less and less experienced people and it breaks up the the hierarchy of of control but it does not stop their compat capacity to import weapons to and the amounts are so staggering when you see that the 40 or 50% of the tunnels despite all of those that have been blown up still exist in in in um Gaza and if you see the the um a huge weapons depot that was an explosion of one that just kept going and going and going in the middle of civilian populations which we have to remind everyone of that see the true nature that they don't care about the death of civilians. Israel acts with greater restraint and try and does not hit unless it's really essential. Usually they hit because they know that something's going to be launched or because they have, you know, particular intelligence that it necessitates that kind of a move. Uh, and it it's endless. I mean, it just you realize how much infrastructure, how much investment, billions of dollars from Iran and and Iran in the meantime doesn't have water for its people, doesn't have electricity for its people. Major areas including toran, they're talking about moving to Iran, the capital, because they can't they don't have water for people and won't that half the country doesn't have water and and is in drought, unemployed, all that. In the meantime, billions of dollars are going to these terrorist extreme organizations. So despite the outcome of the of the war, we have to see the reality that Israel still confronts that there is great news. Israel's economy grew 12% in the last quarter, which is astonishing that Israel's, you know, that the life expectancy in Israel is 83.3 years. It's fourth in the world. Japan is number one, way ahead of the US, way ahead of of most Western countries. And uh you know, so I'm I'm saying this because we can just overload on the negative. Got to look at some of the positive news, too. >> No, I hear that. But the New York Times, for example, doesn't even talk about the six reservists who are wounded today in uh southern Syria. But they do make sure to point out that Israeli security forces shot dead two Palestinians Thursday after they appeared to surrender. This happened in the quote unquote West Bank. according to videos released by the International News Agency and two Arab television networks. Do you have any update on this? Do you have any idea what type of scrutiny is going into this whole episode? >> Well, they they they have the information. We haven't seen a statement. Israel investigates every one of these cases. Is it possible? But but when you find out that they may have had weapons or that they may have been posing some sort of a threat, Israel doesn't. Israelis are very reluctant and in fact often exercise uh immense restraint and some people in Israel question it uh uh the degree to to um try and capture people, not to kill them. But when they they pose a threat, you know, nobody denies that these guys are terrorists. Nobody denies that they were had been involved in such a threatening situation. >> Uh and and whatever what other armies around the world do naturally every day, Israel does not do that. They when they take out a terrorist, it's because it's a situation that demands it. I mean, I know people are critical sometimes at uh you know, when they do a car ramming or something, but they these guys have knives and they're threatening other people. Of course, you kill them. That's the what you should do. And unfortunately, you know, the Israel is limited in in its process because it follows the law. No, nobody talks about the 15,600 executions in Iran and people summarily being killed, many many more than the 1600. And and yet there there's no UN sessions, no nothing but the whole focus. And there are unfortunately some Israelis who are feeding this information these allegations and they often prove to be not true or circumstances are different than what is being portrayed. So don't jump to conclusions about it. Find out the facts. Can there be people who might say law? Yes. And that's why Israel prosecutes them and Israel takes actions against its own soldiers even in a conflict situation >> because they want to uphold the highest standards of of Jewish values let alone humanitarian values. >> Two hostages or their remains to be more accurately to be more accurate remain one from Israel, one from Thailand. Um it's interesting. I mean I've pointed this out before where I had given Kamas the benefit of the doubt that they don't know where all these remains are. And sure enough I was proven wrong. Thank God. Uh you had told me that you felt that they certainly were holding on and understood the value of these bodies. Should we anticipate? Do you think the final two will be coming home soon? >> Look, it's a it's you're dealing with an inhumane enemy that manipulates the situation. Uh I said that I thought that they would get them because they had total control over the area. They were mapping them uh uh where everybody who had the the bodies or the the the hostages and you know meeting the hostages as I have over since they got out and the ones that have visited here. I mean just amazing amazing and the that they express when they talk about Friday nights in the tunnels they said we made the the the walls of the tunnels shake singing smeir so loud and the more they branch the louder we sang and I mean it's super human stuff and the stories that will come out I'm sure aren't will get at least half a dozen books from this just a bit amazing and no but the truly amazing stories and people and and how some became religious in the tunnels or more observant and found God and and themselves in these horrific circumstances and how they emerge whole from it of two years of torture, physical and emotional and mental torture is is super human. It's super human. It I I am amazed every time I I see it and it doesn't wear off. just reinforced as they tell the story of what they what they did and their resistance within the tunnels even. Uh so uh the the you know Israel reviews and has commissions and military commissions that examine every case and if somebody is found to be to have been ex acted excessively and you think of these young 18-year-olds under the constant pressure and stuff they will prosecute them. >> Yeah. Speaking of the pressure, um, and we'll go back to Gaza in a minute, but speaking of the pressure, it does seem, at least from, you know, there are certain conversations that go on that don't always make the press, don't always make the news. And it does seem that there are a lot of people in Israel in the know who are concerned that things are really going to heat up over the next couple of weeks up north. Uh that if Israel is in fact going to commit to eliminating the real potential of Hezbollah, especially since they're not, it seems like they're not getting the cooperation of Lebanese government. You could address that uh that it's going to have to happen at some point in the next few weeks. Should we anticipate much more action up north? Well, there is an escalation. Um, and the the government has failed to implement the ceasefire agreement, meaning that everything south of the Latani was supposed to be gone. They were supposed to disarmah. In fact, many are saying has rearmed. I don't believe uh quite the the exaggerated statements that they're stronger now than they were before. I don't believe that. Both their infrastructure and a lot of their equipment has been has been taken away. It's it's um a dis united uh structure, you know, because of the loss of so many of their uh key people, but it's certainly not a a group that has been disarmed. It's not something that the Lebanese army has acted in except in in isolated incidents to really take control u south of Latutani. There have been some movements and statements by the president of Lebanon and others and they're claiming that they're not capable of of standing up to them alone. The government of Syria supposedly was was stopping some of the weapon shipments although we see contrary um signs. Also the um the situation in Syria is is certainly not stable and and they don't have exercise control over areas which is why Israel has to stay in the key positions that they are in right now. This is not uh for they're not interested in the real estate. They're interested in the security and and protecting the Drews communities and other minorities, but also the Israel's own border. And we're seeing, you know, Iran trying to assert itself again in in this and Turkey certainly and they're they're supporting militia groups in Iraq and in Syria and wherever they can. Um and certainly in in Lebanon. Uh so it's it's Israel will have to continue to take these kind of targeted actions as they have. They don't want to have to go in but there are a lot of people in military experts included who are predicting that uh another war is inevitable because not destroyed and the disarmament is not taking place and the conditions for the ceasefire between them are not being upheld. >> Yeah. And back to Gaza for a second. I mean, I it it's just confusing what and I know we discussed it last week, Israeli control before the yellow line, etc., etc. Now, the Trump administration is indicating that they're going to set up some type of encampments or or or um or housing within the quote unquote Israeli area for those who are on the other side, meaning the I guess we'd call it the northwest side of the yellow line. What's this all about? So the theory behind it, as I understand, is that yes, they want to build on the Israeli side because nobody can build on the other side. It's kamas controlled. It's still the wild west and you know they're not they don't want to enhance the population there and you grow it. So the the thought is that if they can get people gazins who are not kamas to move into areas under Israeli control into the you know across the yellow line uh which is an artificial you know boundary [clears throat] and it's called the yellow line because they put yellow markers along it and there are constantly efforts to to cross it and by the way there there are still a couple hundred guys in tunnels in the Israeli sector after all this terrorists who who act once in a while or Israel finds them. Uh and there's talks now to to have a surrender where they will get deported or something um that um you know there's a lot of pressure being put on Israel that these guys get out. There are dozens or maybe even more uh who are still in those tunnels that have been there all of this time. uh but they they stayed there in order to carry out terrorist activities from within the Israeli controlled area. Uh so the idea here is to build uh housing and have people who are responsible. You know, there are growing movements within Gaza of militias and others who who are anti- kamas. I'm not going to say that they're pro-Israel necessarily. There are some that want to uh live with Israel but are not I wouldn't say that they're going to be allies or they all have their own agendas. These are like the little warlords and the gangs and and militias uh uh who are community- based or whatever and which is what a lot of people feel should have been you know the approach all along that do clan-based organizations that would not succumb to to kamas but they but the people who opposed kamas got very little international support all the countries condemning Israel did nothing to help those groups for for years and who wanted to oppose kamas. So kamas is not dead. Kamas is constantly trying to reorganize within the areas and they they have the majority of the population is in the kamas controlled area. So this is an attempt to to create a a pressure valve to remove people and to try and build and and show the other side what what can be done. uh you've been telling us for quite a while that once the war is over there'll be an official investigation and likely hearings etc etc etc regarding October 7th Livy in the times reports the Israeli military chief of staff uh Lieutenant General Hyal Samir on Sunday summoned about a dozen senior commanders to let them know they'd be ousted or disciplined for failures related to the kamasled attack that ignited the war in the Gaza Strip. Now, the reason I'm laughing is because we've been waiting for a real investigation and real findings and real responsibility or those at least who are who we we we suspect are going to have to take responsibility, etc., etc. I don't think that's ever happened yet. And now, uh, nonetheless, they're going ahead and starting to take action against certain people and throwing them out and taking punitive action against them. What do you make of this story? Well, it's it's different because the military did do a thorough investigation and this is b the actions they're taking are based upon those internal investigations and uh holding people to account. Many of those who are being charged, you know, uh some quit on their own acknowledging the the failures of the system or of the individuals and that um this is a measure that the military which always holds itself to the highest possible standard and account and in all circumstances, not just in this very blatant case and therefore took action against people who and you know in the military is start at the top. Uh there may be individuals but it's not the the individual soldiers that were responsible or held to to the standard. Uh it is the leadership and they have removed uh some of them and some have been disciplined and I'm sure there'll be further action. The civilian review is the one that you know people want to know how government officials will be held to account uh for this and that uh we have yet to see uh and and you know because of the ongoing circumstances uh it gets delayed but I think we will likely see some action taken. I mean, there will have to be some accounting >> for them as well. >> Possibly the day after this current government ends. How come all my predictions are not coming true, Malcolm? Why am I so bad at this? I predicted that, you know, cuz I think I think once the Epstein file uh vote happened in the Congress, I think they said they had 30 days to release it. So, I said they're going to release it Wednesday night of Thanksgiving weekend. Like, isn't isn't that the old trick to make sure to find the slow news day and release it in the middle of the night the night before? And they didn't take the bait. Why are all my predictions not going well, Malcolm? I need to know. >> I think you're not communicating strongly enough with them to tell them what what they're supposed to do. >> I mean, wouldn't you have THOUGHT THAT'S A GREAT IDEA? YOU KNOW HOW THIS WORKS. >> I think you're telling people they shouldn't take your investment advice. They should invest in you, but not with you. >> But do you agree that there was some validity to my to my thought there? Like how would they look for a really slow slow news day to toss it out? >> To toss out what? >> The I've seen files the you know all the uh >> Oh. Oh. Oh. You were going back to what you said. >> Yeah. Wouldn't you think wouldn't you think Wednesday night of Thanksgiving weekend at midnight would be like >> every day they whatever day they put out the absence to smile. It's not going to be a slow day because they all love it and it's it's amazing the the legs this has and that it will not likely go away for a long time. They're going through tens of thousands of pages and um >> so even if they would release it at night on December 24th, you still think it would be massive news? I still think it would be yes because it's it's it's exactly what the media wants today and the ability to distort and misrepresent it the the um podcasters and the the broadcasters who take Epstein and you know blow them all out of proportion and of course that it's a Mossad operation it's at this operate which has become the key and again I'm I'm urging and I think we have to hold to account the the Jews who who make these outrageous statements not out of malice but without thinking and how the world picks up then uh the condemnations and the you know talking about the disgusting Jews who didn't vote again I'm saying that the numbers they're using about the Jewish vote are completely wrong I don't believe he got even 20% maybe 18 16% of the Jewish vote if you look 72% say represents a danger to the Jewish community are saying >> are we back to the New York City mayor >> I'm just going off on it that people are are so quick to accept right >> um you know any kind of allegations but our enemies are are are working uh overtime you see Fuentes again this week and he and Carlson splitting and and I mean they even the hatred becomes you know they can't even unite on that but they they just magnify then the charges against the Jews and we are in a very critical moment and people have to be very careful with jumping to conclusions and to and to from within the community and holding to account those outside who engage in these really outrageous and reminiscent of past era kind of accusations against the Jews. Uh I'm going to wrap up by by asking you this and you could say to me it's privileged information and you don't have to answer it. Obviously there's no question here you don't have to answer. Um I mean Thanksgiving weekend's a good time to get together with family and friends. So you can imagine that, you know, in this little bit of a looser situation, people start talking about their future, their children's future, our community's future. You know, it's one of those topics that people like myself and others who really uh, you know, focus on these issues uh talk about. Uh, and one of the things that when we gathered together yesterday with people, one of the things we discussed is that we are trying to convince our children and grandchildren that that this is not the place for us in the future. I'm wondering if you say the same thing to your children and grandchildren. Two of my children bought apartments this year and I have a grandson who made aliyah this year with his family. So they're they're acting on it. I think that it's a broader and broader consensus view. Not that people should flee, but people should plan and the prices just keep going up. So waiting, as one realtor told me, every year you wait, you lose a bedroom. I [clears throat] they they you got to think of the realities that that America is changing as look at Europe and if you want to to understand just project Europe from from a few years ago to what America will be in England in particular is always a model which is why I'll often see why what's going to happen is I look at what happens there and see the trends because it moves country to country but >> we should not instill fear. We have to be resolute because we're not going to be able to leave the billions of dollars of investment in New York when people talk about fleeing the they're making uh statements that that can't be upheld. Are you going to leave all the poor behind? You leave behind all of the she built all the schools, all the institutions, all the things that we built here. No. So, which is why I tell people to use this time and told them for the last 10 years or 15 years, plan, invest in Israel, see what options you have. But but uh you know taking citizenship in European countries you know even Irish citizenship I thought was ludicrous. These countries are not going to be the the answer to to the problem as I understand if you do it for tax reasons not for uh security reasons. So yes, I think this is a conversation that should be held in every family. Again, not to instill fear fear, but to motivate that anybody who's not registered and isn't voting does so now. That when there are calls for demonstrations and we should be able and we should have rotating people participating in events, we have to become more vocal. We have to become more present. We have to hold our elected officials to account. They get away with too much without, you know, the community responding. And to do it, we need leadership that that will mobilize. We did it for Soviet jury. We could break the Soviet Union. We can also break this cycle of hatred in the country. There's no pill for it. There's no instant solution. It means pressuring the education departments means holding to account. But when you see how some of the key members when they go to the boards of universities, change did take place. It's not no guarantee permanent, but certainly change that took place and and there's a greater awareness today. We cannot stop at this point because it's unrealistic to think that 6 million Jews are going to leave. They do each family has to make a decision about their future and and their assessment of what is happening. Anybody who's blind to it then will be held to account later on. >> Well said. Thank you so much. Have a wonderful Shabas and we'll speak again next week. >> Be well. 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