Weekly Update: Nachum Segal and Malcolm Hoenlein Discuss the Latest News

Malcolm Homeline's with us. He's back in the New York area, Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish organizations. We call this the weekly update. Mr. Homeline, welcome back to JM in the A.M., >> thank you. It's good to be back and have you back. Uh, and even even though you're in GIS in Chicago, but it's uh it's still good to be with you and thank you for the M. It's really a wonderful and we're very excited. Hashem, we get the chance to celebrate occasion after occasion. Thank God. As the years continue to move on. Um, all right. So, we know, I mean, we we know this from you because you've been able to describe it for us over the last couple of weeks, the incredible spirit and the wonderful uh atmosphere that you and so many thousands of others enjoyed in Israel over the holiday season. Um, and I ask you, Malcolm, we we know that specific events in Jew in Jewish history, specifically modern Jewish history, and Tbi certainly is one of them, has a way of really um um of of really uh infusing a tremendous amount of pride and joy into Israel and the Jewish people. Could you tell us if that was the reaction to the uh Fly Dubai attack? That was a miraculous episode. Um, and that saved obviously many, many people from a very dangerous situation. Would you say the atmosphere in Israel was completely transformed because of that event? I would say that it it captured everybody's imagination. uh because some of it was unbelievable and also as we clarified the different reports that as they were coming in but it it [clears throat] I think the reaction everywhere was that this was a miracle and across the board in every community that I visited and people we met that was the first reaction that and and it wasn't one miracle it was a series of miracles and there are many questions that have arisen since then about what is the screening process for pilots flying in. Uh we hear of other accounts of the United plane where the pilots who were on the plane sat in a cockpit because they didn't trust one of the pilots unrelated to to the the incident. But it tells us that there is uh more to be concerned about in terms of how the they scrutinize and that this pilot was banned in Arab countries but somehow was not in in flying to Israel. So there has to be uh [clears throat] a a new look at the um security procedures. It's already underway. But the fact that the pilot was able to open the door, the fact that the people rushed in, the way that they did it, the fact that after a 14,000 foot decline, they were able to restabilize the plane. I mean, all of these things, every aspect of it was a yont miracle and greeted and appreciated that way in Israel. >> Unbelievable. The whole thing is just incredible. Um, the president of the United States seemed to go out of his way to somehow link Iran to this and I think in Israel the attitude was both in the press and among government officials that this was a you know a lone person who you know wanted to take revenge on Gaza as he put it etc. I mean what what do you think is accurate in terms of who's responsible for this? So what I think the president was really alluding to was not necessarily just direct responsibility for this attack. Um this was you know the guy chose to to fly the plane most likely into Bengorian although he could have also targeted uh one of the um towers in Tel Aviv. Some people said he was going for the Mirage Tower in in um UAE but that does not seem to be borne out. What what I think he's saying is that this all traces back to the influence of Iran to the training of Iran in these countries of the terrorist elements of the indoctrination in the extremist ideology that they propound and that in that regard he's probably right that this this is an ongoing process. uh this could have taken place even years ago and until he cracked or he made the decision to do it to actually carry out the act. It's not something that wasn't planned. He he did things like destroying the instrument panel other things that indicate that it was thought out um not an instant, you know, where he just flipped out and all of a sudden decided to crash the plane. So the I think the illusion to Iran's role as a as a at the core of a lot of the extremists and I mean you look at the Houthies and can say why what does Iran other than supplying the weapons the answer is that they're responsible for the ex existence of the the Houthi army the arming the the training the extremism of the uh that is evident in their activities. So, it's proper to say that Iran is still at the core of the evil in the Middle East. It hasn't been diminished in the sense that the war has it's taken away the rights of people. It's diminished the economy. The sanctions are effective. Uh but the the activities that we see on the part of Iran, they can't do as much as they did before for Hamas, for others because of financial constraints. But obviously they were betting on the Houthis and on trying to stoke extremism and terrorism in the region and globally. Uh you're an insider. You speak to a lot of members of government. I mean what was your what do you think when you heard about the report that Israel was prepared to shoot down the jet? This is um a standard procedure, a standard operating procedure as they call it to stop that the uh and true in in virtually every country that if there is a plane coming in and could likely cause massive casualties on the ground, you know, if it's landing in a desert somewhere, it's not going to be shot down. But if it's likely as in this case to fly into Tel Aviv, to fly into Benur and to go maybe, god forbid, Deona, uh then the it is the standard procedure to shoot it down despite the heavy cost in life that would have been entailed. Um you know, you can't they would have died anyway in the crash, but they would have killed many more people, >> right? >> So that is that is the operating procedure. I know it sounds heartless to people and believe me, nobody takes it lightly. They did not make the decision to shoot it down. >> Uh but the the um you know, people think that it's heartless and and if made comments to me about it, but you have to think of what the alternative could have been. >> Could you imagine being involved in that process of deciding whether to shoot down that jet or not? Unbelievable. And um a And how long did it take? And again, I it was unclear to us over here. Maybe it was more clear to someone like yourself who was there. How long did it take to get everybody home >> to get them home? >> Yeah. There there were flights the next day. They there there was, you know, a bit of a dispute cuz a lot of the people didn't want to fly on anything but Israeli airlines with Israeli pilots and you can understand that, right? >> But the the um initial offer to Saudi Arabia to fly them out, but the Saudis did take good care of them. Everybody complimented it and um planes were then sent and they flew on the back. So it was very fast. >> Wow. >> It was 24 hours. >> Whole thing is whole thing is unbelievable. Um and yeah, we're we sort of I don't know if you agree with me or not, but I I think we're sort of getting spoiled BI and by all the miracles, all the operations that go in this most remarkable of fashions. This obviously was not an operation. It was an emergency situation that was miraculous in the way it was handled and the results were miraculous. But it doesn't it seem to you like like time after time after time as the weeks go by we are just enjoying bullying this incredible uh run of tremendous miraculous events that continue to take place. >> Yes. And the important message is don't take him for granted. Yep. >> Understand that we have our role in this and and is judging us all the time and providing us with sign after sign after sign. There are so many miracles, things that don't make the newspapers, you know, discoveries of the tunnels, the the 500 miles of tunnels in Gaza. It's not even imaginable how much infrastructure. When people ask me, why does it take so long? Why is it you don't know what Israel is facing in in these areas? And now we found out the tunnels in inbala land. We knew that they were under homes and we knew that there were various areas. But finding um some of these uh immense tunnels with tremendous stockpiles of weapons etc. It's every one of those things is just it's just unbelievable. It's not happening anywhere else in the world that you have these kind of of uh happenings on a daily basis that we should not take it for granted. And when you say Hezbollah land, you mean the miles just north of Israel's border? >> Uh, all yes. And well into Lebanon into the areas. And when people ask why Israel has to stay, take a look at the map, see what they're finding, see the challenges still along the yellow line in in Gaza and across it. And Israel is abiding by a lot of the restrictions, but they take action when they find a threat. Uh if you look at the the casualty numbers, they're they're much lowered now because Israel um was able to evacuate a lot of the population and I hope that uh arrangements can made people want to leave and um be able to go out of Gaza. The u you know the the message [clears throat] has to be so clear from yesterday especially in the aftermath of October 7th where you see history being rewritten while everybody is still alive. the eyewitnesses are there and and completely distorting and misrepresenting uh what happened and what Israel did in in defending itself. And they talk about the casualty numbers. They still use the genocide and the the fact that Nea P won the Nobel Prize today peace prize is such an outrage. This is the one who chaired the panel that found Israel guilty of genocide, was anti-Israel and worse for for many many years. And I I think it's a it's a direct slap to to award the Nobel Peace Prize. It just shows that once again that the prize is meaningless that the panels are are biased. I remember they gave one to Arafat too along with the Israeli leaders that the um you know we see this this constant move on the part of the media to distort to misrepresent. I heard BBC say well there were 1200 people no mention of the hostages no mention of anything else of the the attacks of the nature of the attacks everything is equivalency everything is is u switches the moral balance to to the other side um you know we saw the words of Mark Vle used to be the chairman former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff that was introduced on on October 7th and you know he they lay it out and military people. General Keane, um, amazing [clears throat] guy who's who's presented the facts as they are, but the overwhelming proportion of people just slamming us all the time and the um, you know, avoidance of truth on the part of so much of the media and and the need to present this as a two-sided event, October 7th. >> Right. And um on the peace prize thing, I'm glad you brought it up. The I mean obviously, you know, the the inclination of the committee, those involved, what you said is 100% right, but it does show you, you know, you you wonder about the ripple effect of the IC and the ICC's declarations against Israeli officials. And here's a perfect example. You know, it starts with with with uh you know, their declaration and their um decision. And obviously there are people all around the world in different positions especially in government positions who you know continue to cite it. We know that in New York obviously obviously uh but then you see it goes all the way to to the Nobel Peace Prize level where the where the influence and the and the decision is respected to the point where they don't feel it's a bad thing to give her Nobel Peace Prize. It's pretty amazing. >> Well, she uh by the way she's South African. Most people think she's Indian. It's not. It's she's not. But and she did this all the time while she was um uh she was chairman of the United Nations. She was United Nations High Commissioner, not chairman for human rights. Uh and all throughout that period, which long predated some of the things that we're talking about, right? Um she she um uh I think she was approved in around 2008 or nine uh as the uh human rights high commissioner. So it >> but my point no I I get that but my point is that the ICC has become so mainstream with what they've said against Israel that now it's not a big deal to give someone like her Nobel Prize. You know what I'm saying? >> Absolutely right. You you're right that that that is exactly point I was trying to make earlier but you summarized it uh that it is the normalization >> right >> of the lies and the acceptance and the the complete denial of truth and it's so hard I wish people would understand you know how much effort how many efforts are underway how much is being done to try to counter it online offline every media and and it's impossible when you have this title wave especially in Europe and elsewhere, but the United States as well. How much of the media ever tells the truth anymore about Israel? How many of them don't use the word genocide? How many of them have accept the fact that there was no hunger? That the obesity is a bigger problem in in uh Gaza today and that on a on the global scale of obesity, the Gazins rank very high young people especially. So the the her her selection is just fits into this pattern and it's it's really really upsetting that this her track record during that period was constant anti-Israel activity. >> America's one and only Jewish moments in the morning radio program heard on listener sponsored digital radio around the world.com and network and of course the beloved NSN app. Malcolm homeline with us. We call this the weekly update on Fridays. Um the other thing of course as you mentioned October 7th the other unifying event in addition to the plane PL miracle uh October 7th a unifying event there were 50,000 people who were at the ceremony in Tel a Viv they had a state ceremony on Sunday which was simless Torah for us it's really unusual Malcolm I don't know if you agree with this aside of mine or not but even with us you know like here at JM and the AM the only thing I think that comes close to ever acknowledging in its fullest a secular date is maybe in November. There's no no other occasionally we'll mention you know we'll mention an English date and its significance in modern Jewish history founding of the state of Israel etc. But here I guess I guess because of the unusual aspect of this that it's hard to observe a yard site on a day that's simpra right that's when it was in Israel. So I guess there's almost no choice on October especially when it's close by. October 7th obviously was very close this year to simpler store on the calendar. I guess there's no choice but to you know make the secular date you know more prominent. You know what I'm trying to say? >> Absolutely. It's a it is a point u I had thought about it but you're right that October 7th is commemorated and the names of the films are October uh you know always after October 7th. Uh in part, I did hear an explanation from some of the families uh referencing the fact that they commemorated the yard site which was not the same day as October 7th obviously, >> right? >> And the the memorial services that took place at the cemeteries and other places um especially in the south were earlier u but the the uh events around it. There was the gathering at Nova at Davening that was so impressive. [snorts] Thousands and thousands and thousands of people came with Lulan Davin there commemorated in a religious sense, a truly religious sense. Um, and the uh, you know, the impact of October 7th has not diminished at all in Israel and the emotional outpouring and the the way the media and of course all politicians, especially before an election, you know, had to be heard on it. But I'm talking about the the grassroots reaction and that you know it was a day that people wanted to come together and and put aside all of the recriminations and attacks that are going on because of the political silly season. >> I felt bad about the uh the families not being totally with the dancing that was going on at NOVA. But it's hard to convey to people that that's really sincere. What you described is right. anybody who was there praying um commemorating even dancing on you know what was the aftermath of some Torah and obviously the dichotomy of you know it being a dance and music festival that that that was attacked primarily. Uh I felt bad that some of the families you know that it was lost on them but I think it was all very sincere and meaningful. >> It it was and it it was nationwide. It was everywhere and you you mean you really felt it in in throughout the time. What do you think of uh some of the commemorations that were going on around the world at the same time? Uh government officials who attended rallies that were not exactly pro- Israel. Uh those who went out of their way uh to um sympathize with um with the Gazins uh who were unfortunately, you know, victims in the aftermath of October the 7th uh in the uh admission to defend Israel. What do you think of all that? Well, it's unfortunate when civilians uh died because uh they were near a tunnel or near a hospital and you see the attacks, but find out when you you really examine it that the hospitals were really bases of operation and that Hamas continues to use civilians as uh hostages uh and that Israel took the actions it did, clearing the area so that civilians would not be caught in what's called collateral uh uh damage. And still no army has the the ratio of civilian to military debts that Israel has kept the lowest in any warfare recorded that the the the lies and distortions that and and at best the equivalency even by major media and elected officials who in the United States now it was always true in Europe but they feel the need to to um equalize both sides and say you know that that was a terrible thing. But the other side is terrible, including leading officials who should not be named and not be given the exposure. And it's regrettable sometimes that we highlight some of these evil people what they say and what they do. We should, but not the people because they want us to do it. They build their base on it. They they get the exposure. They feed off of that. And uh yes, I'm being critical of some people who who did uh who did it at the UN and elsewhere because it's it's not a tactic that works. And the um you know, we we have to be wiser and smarter. We should be calling out the people. There are some amazing activities >> Yeah. going on where they're identifying those who are responsible for a lot of these attacks. And this is not going away. We have to know that we're still at the beginning uh to see the true impact of the DSA and all of these guys across the country uh in in sometimes in horrific ways that we see candidates who will not denounce October 7th and may win seats in the Congress. >> You know that one of the people who did it at the UN, what you just described was the prime minister of Israel, right? >> I read about [laughter] >> Okay. I just wanted to make sure that that was that was clear. Um, and and look, it's a uh it's it's really something watching the mayor of the city of New York, and I know we don't name him, etc., and give him the recognition, but as you said, unabashed um unabashed support for the other side, for for terrorist groups. And I will tell you something, you know, I I sort of get, and I and I know you obviously understand this as well. You understand diplomacy better than anybody. I I get those in the Jewish world who feel it's important to maintain a relationship with city hall. I get it. I'm not saying I endorse it, but I understand even the Orthodox Jews who are going out of their way to do it. But that whole uh attempt is really becoming hard to uh endorse, is really becoming hard to justify at this point. I don't know if the kidic groups that are responsible for it, and I don't know if you're in touch with them or not. I don't know if they're getting it or not, um or nothing will convince them otherwise. But as all this goes on, every time he makes another move like this, it just becomes more and more unjustified to have a casual relationship and warm relationship with him. >> Right? First of all, we're these are entitlements that the Jewish community should not have to beg and be and accept the treatment that is being meed out to them, the statements, the actions by and by all of and his associates that this is um uh I I think the idea of giving him a prize, award, recognition of any kind is simply outrageous. The they they will come to regret it, I'm afraid. and that you know people then say I'm is my personal capacity there are no personal capacities when it comes to public actions like this because they will exploit it. I think in some cases blame like at the in in the visit to Burough Park was unfortunate because it was not the fault of the people or the this was his own crowd that came with him. Uh the people did not turn out they knew he was there. I think if you look at the voting patterns in the communities of some of those who have expressed support, you can see that it's not representative of where the people are at. That doesn't mean that you cut off city hall. There are plenty of commissioners or plenty of other people that they can deal with, right? But when the person in that kind of public position can use on October 7th to do the things that he did to deliberately go to a quote Palestinian restaurant and to equate and to hold, you know, host constantly people who support terrorism or terrorists themselves, the pattern is so clear and it becomes more and more permissive for others then to join them. And the fact that you have other public officials that uh you know some of them have are of Jewish descent joining in it doesn't make it less outrageous. It's it's unacceptable. >> 100%. Well said. All right. And now the most unifying event in the Jewish world over the last couple of weeks and that's of course the Israeli election. I'm kidding. Don't worry. I'm kidding. I know it's not a unifying event. Uh I'm getting at the I assume by the end of your trip you were seeing the campaign really rev up uh accusations flying and there'll be a lot of rhetoric between now and the 27th of October. And I know it's impossible to predict and I know even someone like yourself has no clue where this might go. Do you have any observations about what might happen on the 27th of October? >> Yeah, I have no clue where it's going to go. And [laughter] >> did you see the campaign in full swing yet? I actually met with some of the leading people when I was in Israel last week and over Yantiff. Um I think it's it's a toss up. I think Netanyahu always pulls some rabbit out of the hat at at at different points. Um unlike others, I don't think I don't see that an attack in Iran will take place from the United States at least. There is a lot of preparation going on. It's clear things are are moving. So that could have an impact. There are a lot of things that could impact. The economy is obviously critical here as it is there. Uh but and we should also point out that there was huge gatherings of Christian leaders yesterday on October 7th. Many came to Israel to show solidarity. So I don't want to make it all look negative there. And I think that eventually people come to their senses and realize that their their security is at stake as as well. Um so right now I think nobody sees uh immediately the coalition that could emerge from this. Uh whether Netanyahu will take a shorter time, you know, he's 78. It's it's um you know he I don't think he needs he's going to take a 4-year term but um we we the heat is just starting and this is the final stretch till October 27th and a lot can happen in that time. >> Yeah, this will be a big week to observe what's happening in Israel the week coming up. This is when it's really really going to start as you say the final stage of all this. And on the Iran piece, I mean, I don't know. It's it's sort of strange. You know, you just alluded to the fact that activity in the Persian Gulf is getting more serious and the United States obviously has an even bigger presence compared to the last few weeks. And we get that things are revving up. And at the same time, the president, meaning the president of the United States, insists that there'll be no attack before election day. And he's referring to November's election. He's not referring to October the 27th. So, there'll be no attack before that. The impression that we get as we follow the news is that things are going more in the American direction, meaning that the straits of Hormuz are opening up, that more millions of barrels of oil are coming out, um that you know other options are being uh established in terms of um you know getting goods and supplies from that side of the world. Am I am I right that that there's sort of like two things going on here? the threat gets larger, the threat that there'll be an attack on Iran. But at the same time, it seems things are getting better for the US cause. >> Well, that's typical in the Middle East. You know, that nothing cuts in a straight line. But the first of all, you know, there are signs also that they rebuilding. There are signs of activities at nuclear sites, old and new, in Iran, that they will take advantage of this. And if in fact we're not able to achieve what ultimately is important which is changing the government and the people you know they're still in trauma after last January's events and do not know whether they can trust the west to really come to the aid or whether the the west can um I think that there are very mixed signals uh coming. you know, we we have only one aircraft carrier in the mil in in the region right now. The um the George uh HW Bush uh left and the A Blinken came back to the United States. The Bush I think is scheduled to return to the to the region. They're they're I think in Thailand now. Uh [clears throat] but it's very difficult for these soldiers, these sailors who've been on board the ship for record periods of time. Um there's still 17 American ships in the region. There's, as I said, the one aircraft carrier that came um just this this week, the I think the George Washington. Uh so the [clears throat] um uh we still have the capacity there. So people shouldn't think that we're stripped it, right? >> Uh and we also have a lot of on land capacity and etc. But I I think that the signs and the signals are that anything that's going to happen is going to happen after the US election. It's not necessarily controllable because you see the incidents and and his blaming the um attacks on Iranian origin and meddling if not direct direction um to this. People are tired. people, you know, it's gone on so long. The American people don't support it and the the uh a lot of the elected officials don't, which is very unfortunate because they count on the fact and I remember talking to you about this in wars past that Americans don't have the staying power of the American people and that the the enemy counts on that. They say they can last a thousand years, but Americans in the West can't last a couple weeks in the battle. and and that is really uh one of the critical things that we have to be there to to uh to support it. Look look at the unrest in France France which try to be you know be above and take the other side and and the the instigation obviously is coming both from outside and internal elements of that. It's not just about the classroom situation and we're going to see it spreading in Europe and I think unfortunately it eventually comes to the United States. uh as well that the um the stakes are are so high in in all of this that we we we we can't lose the commitment and I'm afraid that a new Congress might be even less inclined to support >> any action. >> You're assuming that both the House and Senate will be majority Democratic. >> I do not assume that both will go. I think one likely but the uh hopefully they can hold on to at least one house. If both houses go, it will be very bad. They will they will start going after the administration. I think you'll get paralysis. It's aside from the hostile actions, you know, probes and impeachment and all of those things. But you're not going to get the necessary legislation. You know, our economy needs to be to be supported. We have so much on the agenda and the commitment to fight Iran. If they if the message they get is just hang in there, they can sacrifice the Iranian people forever. Where's the out all the outcry? The pallets and everybody screaming about the executions of innocent people day after day in Iran. And yet you don't have the outcry that the of any kind. And and you don't have people except for Iranians and the families standing up for them. And I'm talking about non-Jews and and and we hear about it. We we we you know, we get messages from them still. It's heartbreaking when you look at what's going on in Syria. You see all the realignments, Turkey expansion, the the building of the the ties between Turkey through Syria and trying to to have the land bridge all the way to Qatar through through Sudan and Libya, Egypt, the Masim Brotherhood equivalent of the ring of fire that the the Shiites had under Iran. These are all going on and get almost no attention. I mean, it's so frustrating when you see it and the people in the region feel more and more uh uh isolated and they're looking for support and I hope that this will build up coalescence around Israel, UAE, Morocco, others, the good countries in the region that they will come together. Look at at Saudi Arabia asking Syria for military help against these cockroaches. It's unbelievable. And finally you have them, the Yemeni government and the Saudis, you know, fighting back. But they should have been doing this all along instead of allowing them to to to take over all of the area along the Red Sea, which is a a really serious threat that they closed the Baba Madab in the Straits. I mean, people I don't know if you just look at the surface of these issues, it's it's so obvious. Is that why Turkey and Pakistan sent troops to Saudi Arabia to try to use the opportunity to uh in in defense of Saudi Arabia to show that they're there that they have their back so to speak >> because of the Mecca agreement the tripartite thing one of the things they signed is that if an attack on one is an attack on all of them now the Houthies started attacking Saudi Arabia again again I don't think people see that or realize it that Saudi Arabia which threw in its lot in many ways you know backed uh from support with the west etc. uh is now seeking help from everyone. The fact that they allow Turkey into Saudi Arabia is like taking an injection of a cancerous drug um cancerous virus because Saudi Arab Turkey has its sights and what they want to rule Mecca and Medina. uh Erdogan sees himself in his megalomaniac view of the world as the true leader and this coalescence. They didn't really rally to them. They didn't send decisive uh troops. And the fact is that Saudi Arabia is is fighting now in in uh in Yemen. They have a tremendous air force, but it shows that if you don't have really the kind of training and and uh support that you can have all the planes, but it doesn't mean that you're going to be able to use them effectively. >> Go ahead. >> No, I was I just before we wrap up, I just want to mention because you had spoken about the possibility of the House and Senate going in a certain direction, the election obviously the beginning of November. I read somewhere that um in 2028 if a Democratic president comes into office, one of the fears is that they're going to make a Palestinian state a major part and a priority of their agenda. But now I'm thinking that based on what you just said that if the House andor Senate go Democratic, that could become a major issue immediately in in Congress, even with a Republican White House. >> It will become immediate any arm sales to Israel. You have people running against Apac against uh other things. And one could argue the pack position, you know, but the fact that guys who weren't even getting money and taking money announce that they're not going to guys in who who have been longtime supporters, I I think there could be a serious threat about arm sales to Israel. That's why Israel has to become uh independent and self-dependent in terms of production, in terms of uh you know, their weapons sales are through the roof. The Europeans can condemn Israel all all they want, but at the same time, they're all lining up to buy Israeli defense equipment and and weaponry. The the but the danger could be that you you start cutting. You know, there is no economic aid to Israel per se. It's all military aid and it's essential and it's going to be phased out. Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu said it a while ago and there have been meetings going on about the program to phase out the military aid and that Israel it would be more joint cooperation in developing weapons like Iron Dome etc. and that uh it will be healthier for Israel not to have that dependency relationship but I think it's very hard to replace that money. People talk about it bllightly. I think it's a mistake and especially when Israel's economy is under such incredible pressure. The cost of maintaining the war, the the all of the the families, the widows, the PTSD victims and all of that, the economic burden is going to be huge. And I hope people will look for ways to invest in Israel, buy Israel bonds as they come under attack, people divesting from Israel bonds. um that the we counter it and there are another in other initiatives that people will have a chance to participate in that don't even cost but that we can use our leverage our economic leverage our political leverage to much greater effect but there needs to be a unifying of the effort we can't have all the scattershot approaches uh and that whether it's the legal things or the campus and stuff and while the campus situation is quiet it is not over it the battles are going on every single day on all of these fronts. >> Malcolm, you remember Iron Dome was supposed to be replaced by like a $10 laser? Whatever happened to that whole thing? >> That is actually a very good question. I I hope people didn't still don't ask that question because [laughter] I I think it's a huge embarrassment. And if you remember at the time, I was hesitant because I know people who were developing these laser technologies. I knew it wasn't mature enough to be to be really used yet. They would deploy them in the north supposedly, but it's still a a work in progress. >> All right. So, no news on that. And it may take a few more months or years before we actually see it in action. >> When it works, it'll be a big help because every time you fire an Iron Dome, it's 50,000 $100,000. It costs a fraction of that to to use the laser. >> No, but my point is once it's available, we'll know about it. like we'll be told that it's that it's finally being used. >> Well, 30 Israel politicians will take credit for it, you [laughter] know. >> Good point. Very good point. >> I think they they did it. They plugged it in, you know, and everything. >> Have a wonderful Shabas bracious and a good kesh. And we'll speak please God next week. >> God willing. Everybody have a great shabas. >> Malcolm homeline of course weekly update here at JM Friday 7:40 a.m. Eastern time. Make sure to be tuned in no matter where you are around the world.