Weekly Update: Nachum Segal and Malcolm Hoenlein Discuss the Latest News

Malcolm Homeline is with us from Jerusalem. We call this the weekly update conference of presidents of major American Jewish organizations. Mr. Homeline, shalom. Shalom. Gumar Katimata. Happy, healthy, and sweet new year and welcome back to JM in the AM. Well, it's always great to be here and especially as I overlook you Shalim from your your and my favorite hotel inbal as uh everybody is getting ready for Yum Kapoor. You feel it already in the air even though you have a Shabbat in between and Shabbashua but the also the anticipation you see sukas being buil built all over it's very exciting always no matter how many years we do it it never gets boring or less interesting >> yeah some areas of Israel especially in Jerusalem it's suka after suka after suka after suka like in some areas is you can't imagine how every every spare space is used to build the suka and I'm sure you've seen plenty of that so far. >> It is true. Well, you can see the outlines of where they're going to be if they're not there yet. >> Right. Good point. Or people standing and reserving the space. What floor are you on at the inbound, Malcolm? I must know. >> Nine. >> Oh, I remember the days when I used to be on nine. Uh, you'll make it to my floor soon enough. Don't worry. No, this is what my pre preference actually. >> I'm kidding around right next to the lounge so I don't have TO WALK FAR. >> WOW, you're in you're in 902. That's very impressive. Wow. >> We We don't Please don't don't broadcast where I am. >> Oh, good point. How on earth can I do this to Malcolm? How can I reveal his exact location on the air? Well, it's a new year and Sunday nights Kipper, so hopefully he'll forgive me. Lots of news. Obviously, the prime minister of Israel is scheduled to arrive in the United States. I would assume that you are I don't want to use the word endorsing, but there's certain rallies and protests that you enthusiastically back and others where you don't like the format and you're a bit more reserved about. I'm assuming the rally against anti-semitism scheduled for the United Nations 47th Street between 1st and 2nd Avenue happening on Wednesday starting at 5:00 p.m. I'd have to assume that this round excuse me start Yeah. starting this Wednesday at 5:00 p.m. I'm assuming that this one meets I'm not even saying this facitiously. I'm assuming it meets your standards. Would that be accurate? >> Absolutely. We're all in favor of it. It's responsible. It's primarily non-Jews being featured. There's also an event um that featuring the students uh from SAR and impact and um and uh REMAS uh you know when they're done responsibly and when they're done with thought and and planning and and um as it's a tremendous educational tool that young people today understand their responsibility and the relationship to all that is going on to them and to to their lives. um for it. Uh I'm not for, as I said many times, uh highlighting necessarily uh the individual who was elected as mayor. I think we should focus on the policies and positions and the um the designs that they advocate and the positions that um are so dangerous and damaging to us. And you see that in the last election that 20 of them succeeded from the DSA at least in the primaries, hopefully an election less, but there are scores of them running around all over the country in uh state, local, and federal elections. And it's it means that we have to do a much better job educating, mobilizing ourselves and our allies and working again in coalition like we used to do in the past with uh other ethnic and communities. And the truth is that the assumptions many people make about how blacks vote, how Hispanics vote, how other groups vote are wrong. They are wrong. And if you look at the congressional elections, you see that that pattern >> is uh is very different than the way it's advertised. >> I am so glad you brought this up. I'm so glad you brought this up in addition to to for the reason that you just mentioned there there are a lot of people who, you know, have been so used to the have been so used to the incredible blessing we've had of this, you know, amazing run of support over the last couple of decades. And and again, I know there's always problems, but I think you know what I mean that there are many who are very down about the current situation and they look at it as if, you know, there it's it's, you know, it's spiraling downward and who knows about the future of the Jewish community and the relationship with others. I think it's really important what you just said. First, first of all, number one, nobody nobody in our community goes down without a fight. But aside from that, we we have alliances, networks, and coalitions with really good, responsible leaders of all types that have either been maintained or have only been strengthened. And I think it's really important for you to mention that because again, there's this complete misperception in my opinion that you know that that things are coming coming completely out of hand. You know, a little bit of adjustment in the perception of the Jewish world to others and you know, all of a sudden everyone starts to panic. What's the old expression? Paranoid Jews live longer. So, people like to be paranoid about it. I'm glad you're saying this. I wouldn't mind if you reiterated it, that there's a lot of incredible networks and affiliations with leaders from really responsible, diverse groups who are still supportive of the Jewish community and are ready to rally against anti-semitism. >> Well, we see it in some of the votes that took place. Unfortunately, it's along party lines and the embrace by uh the Democrats this week of the candidate to in Michigan uh there are negative signs no doubt and we see that the polling numbers but you can't believe the polling numbers they are it depends on how the question is asked depends on on the specifics and who they're asking it to. There are trends which are very disturbing and damaging but as you said this is not a question you just throw up your hands and give up and say it's it's devastation. I think that the trend lines are disturbing but they can be reversed and that you that why it's so important that the efforts that we've made about changing the situation on the campuses number one about security but number two about the freedom of professors to engage not in intellectual debate or even with controversial positions but in in indoctrination and paid for by foreign funds and the more that we can get and the House Ways and Means Committee had very important hearings of course it gets no news coverage but very important uh sessions with NCRI and others pro providing really critical information showing uh what is re happening on on our campuses and right now the responsibility for all of us is the ballot box and that is to mobilize to still do voter registration and most of all voter turnout to make sure everybody who can vote in our communities has a right if they can't get there otherwise but know where to vote and why this is is of such incredible uh significance. And I I want to add one thing. I hear too often people on radio shows or TV appearances well-meaning I mean even strong advocates who don't understand that every time they talk about the bad Jews and blaming the Jews for Mamani or for DSA or blaming them for other things they're going it is true there are some Jews but like any other community you have people with a variety of views but the numbers they're using are false the the and the accusations and and what you're doing is exculpating the real people responsible for DSA and behind it. This is not the Jewish community is not any significant part and there are a lot of uneducated young Jews out there uneducated Catholics, Protestants, blacks, yellows, everything. It's and the they're doing a real disservice and it includes some leading people and I've refrained from till now in naming them but I will because I think the damage they're doing and the fact that others then repeat non repeat the the charges about you know the crappy Jews the ones Jews that voted for in in the New York City election they don't know the real numbers and yet they buy into this propaganda machine which is meant to split our community and meant to create a momentum and that that gives it a heer It is not. So, and and they in with good intentions are adding fuel to the fire. >> Yeah, excellent point. Glad you brought that up. Excellent point. Uh, is the prime minister still scheduled to speak Thursday? Kamoyo, is that going to be the day he addresses the UN? >> No, he's speaking this Thursday. >> Yeah. I I So silly of me. Obviously not. Yeah. Thursday before Sukis. I met Right. >> No, you got to meet the I began to doubt myself. I'm saying, "Oh my god, I missed a week." Uh um no, he's going to be arriving on Wednesday, >> right? >> And he's going to speak on Thursday. He'll be here, I think, a total of like 36 hours alto together. And then um uh he will go back Thursday night. He'll be back in Israel Friday morning or Friday uh early. Um and it's it's he's not doing many other things during this visit. Uh he will I'm sure he'll have a lot some number of bilateral meetings and hopefully um or perhaps with uh like like the foreign minister who was in Israel this in United States this week. Again, you saw that there was an upgrading of the relationship between Morocco and Israel, the diplomatic ties. And I'm saying this because of all the bad news that always dominates that Morocco's foreign minister and Israel's foreign minister met with the US ambassador to UN and they agreed to to um open embassies. Well, we have diplomatic relations now and there is an embassy in each country but to establish formal ambassadorial level relations but many other things and exchanges and the remarkable developments the almost miraculous I would say about what's happening in South America. The foreign minister has recently visited, I don't know, half a dozen other countries, but look how many of them are visiting Israel, are declaring that they're opening embassies in Jerusalem or estam reestablishing ties that have been cut for many years from countries like Chile with a huge Palestinian population. Argentina is a driving engine of this and the changes there. There's going to be an election in Brazil which could produce good results. But if you look at Colombia and Guatemala, Ecuador, El Salvador, um, uh, Panama as so many that are openly and increasingly pro-Israel and reestablishing the ties. So, you know, they say God opens, if he closes one door, he opens another. Well, we're seeing a very important door opened and Iran's long-term investment there being minimized in part because of US policy. >> Yeah. And I think the changes that are taking place >> and I'm saying this because you're going into we have a lot to be thankful. There are a lot of positive signs also in Africa and elsewhere. Unfortunately, there are negative signs. What happened in Britain with France and all that, but all of that we told him it was coming. >> Yeah. Who would have believed? Who would have believed that certain alliances with Israel now exist? Um well, the prime minister is going to have to address at least. I mean, there are two issues that he's going to have to I think. I mean, you'll tell me if I'm right or wrong. He's going to have to. It's now the sixth anniversary of the Abraham Accords, by the way. Add that to your point. It's the sixth anniversary of the Abraham Accords this month. And we see what's happening. I mean, Saudi Arabia is under attack. It's unlikely that that they're going to forge a closer relationship with Israel now because obviously uh the Houthis and the Iranian proxies have are trying to derail Saudi Arabia. uh and and and the region in general, western Iraq, the region in general is in somewhat, as we know, of a turmoil and the United States is still embedded in the whole situation. I I have to assume he's going to address this situation and and beyond the desire to um rid Iran of nuclear capability, he's going to have to address the situation on the ground. Am I right? >> 100%. He has to discuss the Iran war and the an ongoing war with Iran and Iran's violations and ongoing aspirations and attempts to rearmah the and to rebuild uh the nuclear production facilities and and enrichment facilities and the IEA atomic energy agencies u public criticisms and and uh being denied access has underscored the need for it and they called for to go before the security council. IA did um because of the of the Syrian they ascribe to what is happening inside the Iran on the nuclear front which is what the president and others keep saying you know we're not going to let him have nuclear we're not going to have them let him have it and I believe that's the intention we also have to look at what's happening in the straits and with the Houthi movement against Babel Mandaba and I know for people this sounds like it's a place on Mars that it's so distant and irrelevant the fact is it's extremely relevant to everybody body. It's going to affect all of your pocketbooks and with this and this one is not even that hard to understand. Frankly, they're trying they're trying they're trying to destroy a transit route. >> If you look at a map in one minute, you'll understand it, which is why I kept talking about why the Somali land thing that people laughed about will have potential significance. Now, they're the opposite side, right? you know, they're exactly on the opposite side with Israel having enabling a presence if they want in in Somali land very important, >> right? >> So the the the the need to to re assert the legitimacy and the urgency of those situations. I I I think that he will I think he will address what happened in in Europe and Britain and the attempts to isolate and the failure to attack any of the other human rights issues in the world but singling out only the Jewish state and to to of course his message will be as much for the people of Israel given that it's coming uh you know a month or so before an election a very tight election >> um and he will I think talk about the the uh accomplishments but but to lay out uh the agenda that's the common agenda with the United States. Unfortunately, we see the weakening knees in in America too and and the manifestations that on the part of senators and the part of other policy makers uh on are you including the vice president in that? >> Well, we'll come to that. Uh but right now I'm talking about the general mood that is created and the um uh lessening of support and people attributing all sorts of of they they forget about how the Iran war started and what Iran's aspirations would be and what they've been doing and the seven front that they created was not just against Israel. It was against all their neighbors. The fact they attacked all their neighbors in the Gulf and and and did immense damage to American bases. They did not fire in this round against Israel. So everybody who scribes and says you know it's all about Israel they're wrong. Israel is only because it's the mini America because it's vulnerable they thought and because they they um they knew they could rally people and especially in the Middle East who've been indoctrinated and uh and there's seven fronts which which is crumbling and as we see Turkey building up its own uh Sunni equivalent now which we should talk about. So the the essential thing is that that people are buying into the lies and it's because of the tremendously invasive um do indoctrinary approaches funded by by foreign countries particularly Qatar Turkey others to indoctrinate on every level whether it's campus high school educational systems uh social media everything to to pose the lie that this is that Israel is driving this that it's a question that when the vice president uses terms like we're not subservient to Israel. Who the hell ever said that America is subservient to Israel? Does anybody know Donald Trump that the does they think that he's subservient to Netanyahu and didn't Netanyahu ever try to assert that? He educate they brought the facts that they have. Everybody agrees that Israeli intelligence is significant. It's aided many of the countries in the region and and in that regard I want to just say what you meant your reference to Saudi Arabia. The fact is that now through a third party Israel and Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia has turned to Israel for help in fighting the Houthis which have done a lot of damage. You know, they fired missiles at Saudi Arabia again and that war is heating up. It's it's inconceivable to me how it is that this little mouse of the Houthies who were nothing. They were Iraq had grew is able to exercise this kind of control that should be bombed along the coast and once and for all put out of business. We fired rockets constantly at them from the United States. Israel had to because they were firing at them and and certainly Saudi Arabia, UAE and others have done it. And yet this rag tag group of of terrorists is able to influence the world markets and to play this very destructive role. So I think Saudi Arabia out of after this may take a new look. I don't anticipate and I don't think we should chase them to join the Abraham Accords. I think there are other candidates to join the accords. uh God willing when things quiet down and and we can move ahead and after all the elections and and hopefully some sort of uh decisive outcome in regard to Iran that will free people up because right now they're intimidated right now. they they don't feel free and worry about the fact that if the United States pulls out or if there's so much opposition to the United States that they won't be free to act to defend America's interests and that of our allies in the region that uh that they can't depend on on them. So the the Go ahead. >> No, you have uh you've often been very cautious about what to acknowledge and what not. For instance, the um mention of the mayor of New York, you know, you say some very often it's better, especially in public, to ignore him, etc. I get that. But back two steps before we finish on on Saudi Arabia in the Middle East. Does he does he address the subserviency accusation or the subservivenency topic at the UN or is it better for him to ignore it? >> No, that's not the place to do it. I think it's something that should be discussed. It's between the United States and Israel at the highest levels. The question was, was he reflecting a view of the president? Was he expressing his own view? And if it's his own view, it's a it sure certainly reflects a shortcoming in terms of knowing history and and to to assert subservience that American subservience to Israel is ridiculous. It's true. Israeli intelligence has been very valuable in saving American lives and and Israeli technology and that the joint operations that they engaged in all beneficial to the United States. And for him to imply, you know, it's a one-way street that that, you know, when they're valuable to us, we we do it. When they're not, we won't. That's not how an alliance works. and and I hope that his understanding of the region and the the facts are are much different than the impression that is created and how of course the media then will manipulate a story like that because that is the the juicy part of and all the good that he could say or other things will be ignored. So I hope I hope that uh there'll be an educational process and that that won't remain the the thing but it but it also feeds the American public and that's what concerns me. America's one and only Jewish moments in the morning radio program heard on listeners sponsored digital radio around the world web.com and the single network and of course the beloved NSN app Malcolm homeline in Jerusalem on this era of Shabashua and then to finish up the Saudi Arabian peace you have to also throw into that uh to that whole equation the fact that the Syria continues to build its military and you've always said that even with this new guy you can't trust them. Uh what do you think that has uh what type of impact will that have on that situation >> on which situation >> about Syria is trying to build up its military as all this is happening with Saudi Arabia being a target of Iran proxies >> right so it's it's uh Shara uh I think is being driven by a lot of forces and there have been some exposures of things that we said that Shara you know was a terrorist and just because you put on a suit it doesn't mean you aren't But I think he's played it very cautiously and uh there have been negotiations, discussions between Israel and Syria and if he's willing to play a constructive mutual role, we would of course welcome anything that diminishes the threats on Israel's border. But you have nefarious activities of to primarily Turkey today. Iran has been diminished there. Russia essentially out. So because Turkey occupies 5% of of Syria, they have been building military capacity there. That's why Israel acted against that air force base after Turkish officials were there trying designing uh air defense systems that would go there that would be able to detect uh any threats from their flights over Israel over Benorian from this this location and the um the attempts of Turkey to to colonize Syria which it always has aspirations for and wants it as a link in the Masim brotherhood chain that would go to Egypt that would go to Libya and Sudan where they're present Somali and understand that this then links up to Qatar which is its partner in the Muslim Brotherhood movement and unfortunately there's an American diplomatic who has played a role in in some of this that has been increasingly acknowledged as not has not helpful uh and the the state the the sacrifices of the Drew Kurds and the Drews and others and standing up to it um it's not been easy for them. Uh so that's why I you can't just look at this uh with rose tinted glass. It's the could be possible positive uh moves. There is cooperation that's going on. Israel continues to aid and keep alive the Jewish community to a large degree in in Syria and feels an obligation as a humanitarian issue, but also because of this Kurds and the the Drews in Israel and the Kurds of course likewise. Um the ones in Turkey near Turkey have been disarmed, but the the ones in Kurdistan have not. They are a very formidable force and they have a huge population inside Iran as well. >> All right. Uh, no. One other piece I got to get to in terms of the UN. Appreciate all your analysis, of course, when it comes to the Middle East. The the demonstration we talked about, right, Wednesday, there'll be people on the street against anti-semitism. It's going to be a pretty hot city, and I don't mean temperature- wise uh this coming week. You have to imagine. And uh Thursday, when the prime minister speaks on the Thursday before Sukkot at the UN, you'd have to imagine there's going to be a lot of protests going on uh and a lot of people calling for him to be arrested, etc., etc., the whole thing. Malcolm, wouldn't you agree? Wouldn't even you who who is not in favor of giving the mayor any attention and probably doesn't think the UN is the right forum for it. Wouldn't you think it would be amazing if the prime minister went out of his way to somehow in his initable inimable style declare, "Hey, guess what, Mr. Mayor? I'm here in the center of New York City speaking at the United Nations." or something to that effect. >> Well, the the fact is that his presence there is that declaration. He doesn't need to verbalize it. I don't think a prime minister should stoop to the level of of an errant mayor, mayor. Uh, as I said, I I won't mention his name and I think we should not and we shouldn't we should take the focus off him because he exploits it for two weeks. to exploit it to fight, you know, about arresting Netanyahu, which he knew he couldn't do. But he does incite and he and he and he should be held responsible for the results of that incitement if if violence takes place because he call for people to go to the streets to protest. The prime minister should ignore him, not build him up. We should we should the demonstration should be pro- Israel, pro America, talk tell the story and and not build up the appeal of the of the mayor and DSA because all he thrives on is that a public attention. Just look at his face and watch how he reacts to it and what what he reacts to and and staging things including I think the unfortunate visit to Burough Park where the store took the brunt of criticism when I don't believe that was fair to blame them. you know, a guy walks in and and it was not people from Burough Park. They didn't come to the place, they knew he was coming. Many knew they did not come and then you hear people again blaming the Jews and saying, "Oh, look, the Jews rallied for, you know, invited him to borrow part." It's outrageous. It's it's a slanderous approach to this. And I think the the prime minister also has to show that we are above this guy that he he represents the lowest level of knowledge and of of American decency. They are anti-American. We have to show the world they're anti-Christian. They're anti- everything that we believe in. They're anti-democratic. They they and that that will reach out to more people and mobilize them. I think the students demonstration is important to show that young people are committed and there they should direct that the demonstrations properly and we should be working on our campuses much more to uh to mobilize the good people and to strengthen them and let them know they're not alone. And I hear from a lot of them are already encountering problems on the campuses in the short time that they've been there this year. It hasn't gone away. It doesn't make the headlines because it's sometimes eclipsed by all the other anti-semitic stuff that's going on. This is a time we're being tested. You know that that >> by the way too makes the difference between optimism and hope. So you know that that that they're not the same thing. Optimism is passive and it's expectations things will improve on their own. Hope, he said, is active. It's it's the conviction that together, human beings can make a difference and make the world better. Well, we're in a period of hope now. We're a period where we have to be active, not just think we're going to make things better. We have to act to make things better. >> By the way, someone pointed out that with this rally, which again has your complete endorsement, and I think it's really the style that you usually uh try to, you know, put together. They're doing it in that uh in that format, so to speak. This rally against anti-semitism on Wednesday. Someone pointed out that certain national organizations, some of whom are well known for their synagogue services have not come out uh endorsing the rally yet. Uh certain national organizations whose constituents frankly this coming week are not even going to be busy in yeshiva uh because it's really a vacation week after Yum Kipper that they haven't come out for the rally. Wouldn't you want to see all the organizations come together and endorse this? >> They should want to see it. It's not because I want to see it and I do in fact as you you're rightly you're right. But it's it's uh every one of them should understand because it's their future, their institutions. Look at the law changes. Look at the things they're doing to our communities. Look at all the things that are impacting us on our local level and the national level. the laws that are being introduced, the the legitimization of of anti-semitism and the fear intimidation of people because when somebody stands up against an anti-semite, then the the the he becomes the subject of attack and we should thank uh Mr. Craft. We should thank others who stand up proudly and and uh don't cower in the face of of uh the pressures that are brought to bear. >> So, you're not going to be attending any McLemore concerts. Basically, you're making that declaration. Uh, you can be sure. I wasn't going to attend it before, but I'm certainly not doing it now. >> What did you think of the uh the financial pledge Mr. Craft made to Palestinian uhh support? >> Well, first of all, you know, Israelis were called Palestinians, too, so he can give a lot of money to Gushkif and maybe covered. But, but look, he's a major donor to Israeli Jewish causes. I trust fully his discretion about what he does. And then we're not against the human people. But people, you know, uh, >> that's true. People have to remember that. >> Humanitarian. >> That's true. People need to remember that. People need to remember that. >> I'm glad you said that because a lot of people like to jump on, you know, why did he do it? But we have to remember, we're not against helping those who are in actual need. So hopefully he's >> And remember, he has football teams. He has other things that that uh will pay a price for it. But he stands by principle. He did it in the action that he took. I think it was appropriate not to allow this thing to happen. And if you get an immediate reaction, but the message is also to all of those next time will think twice about who they bring. And and I'm not faulting uh the guy who who who had him as a partner, but I think the the everybody who was involved and knowing this guy's record should not have allowed him to appear and to perform. There has to be a price. The the the intimidation of pro-Israel people doesn't get the kind of reaction. It doesn't get the condemnation that it should. Well, now it's time that that has there has to be a price paid for it and that the the pro-Israel voices have to be heard and be given the legitimacy they deserve. What do you think of Uval Abraham and Rachel Zor getting the special prize at the 83rd Venice Film Festival on Rashana by the way for the Naza film. Now, of course, the prime minister's come out against it and he's threatened many different things against those who are responsible for it. What what do you think of the whole thing especially uh from the free speech angle? >> Look, we all believe in free speech, but free speech is also responsible speech and to reward somebody who did a one-sided blast and you know now he said he's afraid to go back to Israel. I'm not upset about that. I do think that the demonstration from his parents house is not necessarily appropriate. I don't think that's the way you go. We don't blame the parents because of the actions of some child their child but but I do think that you know that we have to just say deno but not to jump on every bandwagon because we have to think of the counterveiling mobilization that then takes place or 150 200 people I would sign a thing and all the other performers resign from appearing with on the concert tour. You know, we have to think and pick our shots and we have to do all the ground work that people will understand why this is so horrendous instead of hearing him applauded by thousands of people in a stadium when he makes a declaration like that, you know, about free Palestine. He didn't say free weaguers. He didn't say free to Christians in Nigeria. He didn't say free any other people. So, that tells you that the guy is his target. He is not a human rights advocate. He's a bigot. >> Yeah. and we and they knew it before that tour even started. Uh it's got quite a history. Um are you feeling the campaign at all? Like is it are you you've been you've been there for more than a week. Is it obvious that this is all going to be pushed off until the day after or do you already get the impression that there's an active campaign for the Israeli elections going on in Israel? Well, I've only been here two days. You were not You were not there, Rashetta. You you you gave the responsibilities of the leadership of the great synagogue to somebody else. I >> I do because I spoke at the program in in um in uh suffering and as I have for the last 25 years, 30 years even with them. So, I feel it's an obligation and I we had a wonderful program and congressman Lawler came and he wowed everybody. He's a terrific guy and anybody listening who can contribute to his campaign or lives in his district makes sure everybody turns out to vote. 20% of the district is Jewish. They can determine the outcome whether a DSA member or an amazing advocate gets elected. Wow. Uh but yes, I feel the election virtually it's not it's so much on street signs but um I'm meeting with a number of the political candidates in the coming week and um it it is a determinant factor I think right now in discussions. Uh people understand how important the outcome of this election is and it's certainly very uncertain. Um the numbers fluctuate, the alliances fluctuate, people, you know, switch from all linking from one side to another. Uh it's very uncertain. That's not what Israel needs now. Uncertainty. And the outcome of the election could be one that's not determined for months afterwards. And a lot of people believe that there will go back to a couple of elections before or at least another election before there is a an outcome that really gives it gives sufficient weight to any which side of the part of the boundaries the left right um will uh emerge victorious. Um I I think you never sell BB short. He's always proved himself very resilient, but that can run out and I think they're going to be uh it will be a very tough campaign uh coming up with a lot of things said and done and some already that have been things that have been said that I think are regrettable in in a democratic uh debate. you don't knock your own country and and try to expose it which the enemies um from all sides just grab on to and they they they use it against Israel and not because of one against one party. So people should be very careful in the heat of a campaign to to what they say and I think the um that it it'll waver back and forth a lot over the coming days. Um, I'm sure the prime minister's speech will be as much directed at the people of Israel, it'll be the people sitting in the UN chamber. >> Yeah, I get that. You think this issue of what he knew before October 7th is going to be a major discussion for the next 5 weeks in Israel? >> I do. And I think because we haven't had the commission of inquiry because we haven't had, you know, blame assigned completely and he had a few resignations and things like that. I think the um yes that it will be uh one of the factors that plays out very strongly. The economic conditions so many other things that will come into play uh in the it will be used by the in the heat of the uh I think what will be a very intensive campaign. >> Uh how much will materona go for at the great synagogue? Any clue? >> You want to put in a bid? Is there when does >> I can get you a bargain? >> When Well, I can't Well, I could buy it for someone else. I guess my cousin does live around Absolutely. >> does live around the corner there. >> Yeah, >> you have good friends who are going to be there and I'm sure they would be very happy and I can put in I can just get you the >> Well, what's the average? What does it normally go for, Malcolm? Give me the Give me a ballpark here. >> I would say it certainly would go for 18,000 or >> Wow. So if I come up with 36 grand, I'm guaranteed >> guaranteed and and and and a place we also sell for which goes for a lot of money but several people buy the that honor and as you know it's very impressive and we have nal this year in addition to our regular kazin wife and and the people who were there was shana said it was amazing and I'm sure yipper will be even bigger. Wait, did I go did I aim at the wrong keyboard? Is opening the Aron for for an NLA more expensive than after Yona? >> It depends on how many people bid on it, but it's uh it goes for a lot of money. >> Oh boy. >> But it's a big co >> and of course a big coven. I'm not minimizing it. I want it. I'm not minimizing it. >> And uh for you we can get to you for 495. >> And is there anything else that comes close or those are the two that are at the top? um >> holding a Torah for Nidra. >> I mean the the alias go for for good money and and you know we depend upon it. The you know the great synagogue >> well obviously >> is raising needs to raise a lot a lot of money and anybody who wants to have the most iconic dedication of dedicating the great synagogue on King George Street with your name on the front of the building. They should call me and uh we can >> Oh, they're trying to they're trying to actually dedicate the synagogue. Yeah. Wow. >> And we need to do we need to make it handicap accessible. We need to we've done a lot of work inside the shoe already and some people have come for it very generously and donated uh parts of it and part of the reconstruction and you know we have beautiful spider shield there now that can be dedicated. We have other facilities that we're working on and um you know bit by bit we're we're bringing it into 21st century. You know, Malcolm, when I grew up, there was the Colidre appeal, the Isker appeal. Do you know what the appeal? You know what my father led? Which appeal he led right before Nila? >> Either Malcolm Bubbin or uh Israel bonds. >> It was Bonds. It was Bonds. And the Schultz family every year in the front row would always give the first pledge of $10,000. Every year, Israel bonds. >> But remember, it's an investment. So people can give Israel bonds. It's a charity. You get the money back and most reliable investment. I don't want to say, you know, pitch, but I I think Israel bonds is very important. All of the duckets this year are important. the need for for money here for rehabilitation for for the hospitals for the uh schools for the yeshivas for the you know the JCTs and sharedexics and allas everyone is really doing and have made huge investments in having to build facilities underground we don't even think about all the costs and and sustaining many many families who do not have enough this uh the yumtoim to really provide for their families. And so there are a lot of organizations that do great work. Check them out before you give. Verify that they're legitimate things, not just because they're online and have a name, but see if in fact they're real and then give generously. >> Look at the list we have folks at.com. Hey Malcolm, if they ever let me out of my contract at the New Springville Jewish Center, you and I together for NLA at the Jerusalem Synagogue one year, please God, right next to each other. >> Sitting in the in the audience. Absolutely. You'll get a prime seat. I can't promise you a bea. >> No, I don't need the beimma. I just need I just need to be inspired by your leadership. That's all. >> I will I'll be happy to to persspire. I need I need to I need to get to a higher level on yakipurim. Uh in all seriousness, wishing you a sim. I am assuming that um I am assuming that uh we will be together uh next Friday of sukus. Will that be possible from Jerusalem? Not together. I hope so. Right. That's what I >> Yes. Yes. So >> an easy fast. Uh enjoy the people don't always remember that you're supposed to enjoy Kipper. Dudu Fisher and I always say to each other before the that Yum Kipper is our favorite day of the year as crazy as that might sound because of the fasting and everything, but it's 100% true. I absolutely love Yum Kipper and I hope you have an amazing Yub and look forward to speaking to you next week. Please God, >> thank you and to everybody good you're a healthy one and may all be fulfilled for good. >> Amen. Amen. We know the power of prayer folks and there's a lot of challenges out there. Pray appropriately. make it a really meaningful yum kipper. Uh the Jewish people will benefit from it. Aside from you and your family, the Jewish people will benefit from