Thursday Live Lunch from Psagot Winery 8/14/14

loated in one area we got to see a lot of the country and the one item that consistently dots The Horizon no matter where we are that dots the landscape are cranes it's unbelievable whether it beim t AV we were in the southwest obviously near Gaza where a lot of communities continue to build and expand uh here today as we're driving to the B Min region in the shamron it's just incredible what's going on and uh and a point that was uh made to us yesterday in Tel Aviv is that it just continues to boom I mean the the economy is great certainly relative to the way it's been uh in years past and people and something that someone that the person we met with yesterday and Tel Aviv had mentioned was that singles are making Aliah and and building their lives here even before they have families even before they're married that they are f f they are following I should say their Zionist dreams and those genes that we all have yeah and they're starting their lives here they're finding jobs they're making they're making inroads they have these huge Friday night dinners and and guess what hundreds of them will be on the flight tomorrow with never been I cannot wait and um I'm excited that we were recently told that there will be a big ceremony tomorrow morning please God yeah by the time this Airs of course it will have already been completed but we're hoping it will be a big one all right should we break or we going to uh Yakov are you ready taste what we want to do he's waiting for Eli Eli and Yakov will join us coming up keep it right here as we uh as we as we do our radio show from go the winery in the bamin region of Israel keep it at Network spe for oh one want for oh I'm oh I'm all right we're getting started here in the pagot winery with our official taste test we made a couple of recommendations already to our listeners apparently the pagot edome is the winery's Premier red wine with that blend that we spoke about and that is the one that uh arguably propelled the saot reputation to where it is the Cabernet savan is a single Vineyard savan 100% varietal wine striving to articulate the singular expressions of sagot Vineyard if you want a good taste of what is unique about the grapes here where they're grown in the binyamin region inot the um Cabernet savan single Vineyard would be a great example of that I was told earlier in the show you may recall Mariam walk I was told earlier in the show yeah that even though that that that the dessert wine if you will that is um available in the United States from the pagot winery would be the port style wine that they have the port Style wine they have is called pagot PR p r a t and I've I will be honest I've I've already sampled can I hold that bottle can I hold the pro bottle because it looks really intriguing this bottle look at that photo I know I I've already held it picture I might have sampled it oh there it is that's Ace I like this that's cool this is very nice imagine this on the shopas table it's beautiful well it would come at the end of the meal I understand okay Port it's a it's a special kind of bottle I'm sure yako can explain to us why port or Pratt is not who's the botler here now I need a discussion with the botler cuz all the other wines look like they're in stand not standard but you know they're they're they're in they're in in the sagote signature wine bottles the uh the they're tall they're not tall and narrow they're they're Stout right this Pro one is like a miniature this is a funny shot that I'm about to take isn't it funny it is funny it is funny like a little you know you know what I'm trying to say any yeah because you holding that bottle is just funny it is funny mhm there's I'm sure yakob will be able to explain to us a half liter it's I just I learned the secret to why this bottle looks smaller than the others because it is it's a half liter bottle but there has to be a I mean I'm sure you can get half liter bottles that are tall and narrow but there has to be a reason now you're getting into an area I can't discuss I know but look at this I mean they're pouring all this wine around you this is going to be I need some words of introduction from Yakov about the one that's in front of me or actually the one that's in my hand right now you know who's probably going to be very bitter when he hears this show oh J okay two people are going to be when they hear this show I was always going to include aamy because ay always yeah he's always talking about it how we always drink and how we always drink and eat and he's never included n we're starting with the left we have to remember the order of the cups everyone H to the right I just took this one from the left didn't I I I just took it from here I don't know I my gosh this is complicated intense wine tastings ain't easy first of all I can tell you that I have two glasses in front of me and they look it is right okay okay okay Yakov if you know this is intense it's intense because the Preparatory time is insane look at this this is crazy okay this we're being treated like those folks from wine spectator you know the ones who have the wine and they go ahead and they give like grades and numbers and ratings you know wait I can't wait to tell Jay on Thursday what I went through here he's going to be impressed like we were treated like we really know about why this is so cool you know you're GNA have to get some lines to pick up from Yakov so you can well Jay I tasted this and this good idea good idea exactly that that's that's called grape ammunition that's what I need it's called cheating yeah I need some lines to be able to repeat to make it sound like I'm really talking about something I know about by the way just looking at the colors you can see that they look different this looks very Brown the Pratt Port you know why you know why because I'll tell you why yeah yako have already explained it to me but you go no I'll tell you why go for it because there's a chocolatin to the pr excuse me excuse me I've St listening to I studied this I have my cheat sheets here there is a full sweet chocolate Aroma that is in this full-bodied smooth wine called Pratt and it's that chocolatess listen to me carefully I'm listening it's that chocolatess that creates this very dark um color that you alluded to earlier you want to give yo those give him those yes but I do want to say that I I think Yakov will agree with me that the reason that looks darker is something that rhymes withen you do with chocolate maybe this accommodated maybe it's chocolate covered raisins wait a second maybe that's what's Happening Here exactly all right yov I will stop my ignorant rant and I will allow you now to educate our audience for real I am sitting with what in front of me on your left you have a shiras this is the Shiraz yeah let me just get my notes Here For a Moment which is the Shiraz here it is here PC guy I'm holding this is the this is the actual um uh photo and information about Shir this is the glass that I'm about to taste and what could you tell us about Shir I'll talk to about both wies together uh on the right you have a Cabernet Fran okay oh boy so this is the shiras right there and then the Cabernet Frank on the other side right I do well one second this is the pr it says oh sorry yeah so this is okay so this is the Shiraz the chiraz is on the left where's my Cabernet is this the Cabernet frong no this Cabernet so which is do I have a cheat sheet on this one or not you should oh here it is okay here's Cabernet FR right so we got the Shir o and the Cabernet Fran these are the two wines that we are recommending to our listeners your retail stores in the US have them and we're about to taste them go right ahead sir okay I'm not here to promote sales I'm here to answer you but it's not a bad idea if you happen to I'm here to I'm trying to answer what you asked me correct right okay yep um let's start with the left one okay this is not a Bordeaux varal this is coming from the Ron Valley it does smell good I must say the man knows nothing about why but I can tell a good smell that smells good go ahead give me some more now if the Bordeaux varials are intellectual sophisticated go with food the Ron varials many times are just happy wines they're exploding with fruit and and and and Aroma and they're just super fruity and what you smell is what everybody smells it's just a very fruity Happy Wine there it is taste it wow am I getting serious that is a delicious wine now you think I'm joking and you want to make fun of me it's it is a great wine it really is good maybe it's when I'm not forced to drink an entire cup that I really like it but that is really good that's the shiras that's the shiras and the name am I right or wrong that the name would not suggest a certain type of wine to the novice Drinker in other words a lot of people are familiar with what to expect from a cab what to expect from a Chardon Shiraz I don't know I I wouldn't have a clue just based on the name what to expect well if you would drink more wines you would I understand I'm just saying that you know for the for the rookie for the rookie who may know what to expect from a cab I know what to expect ah whatever yeah go ahead so that was the Shir Now we move on to the Cabernet front you find shiras under the name sir it's really the same type of grape it goes under both names okay now uh we s should I worry about that Eli is it okay if both names are interchangeable that's okay I shouldn't worry about that okay go ahead now a lot of times s you will find with blend blends of the Ron Valley like with granach s sin and usually not mixed with the Bordeaux varials okay now on the right we have a Cabernet Fran this is it the Cabernet Fran yes available in the US now this is an oddball okay this is usually used in a blend it adds wonderful things to a blend uh but just like we sometimes have a justification to bottle a single Vineyard uh wine because it's special also cabern Fran it has some people that are just crazy over it it's not meant for everybody not everybody likes it it's very very specific it's very herbaceous if you like uh herbs and green aspect of your wine it's overwhelming and in a blend it's amazing and it always adds something to a Bordeaux varial blend but it also has its followers as a varial wine and smell it now it does have a more herbl likee smell than the other one you think I'm joking I'm being serious okay Can I taste this yeah sure now to me it's more this one one seems like a more serious wine it is it has that more serious taste the Bordeaux varials in general are more serious wines that's a good way to put them by the way here here's a really stupid question okay here's a really stupid question now that I've tasted two cups of wine anybody can expect a stupid question all the different flavors that you site have abs the these are these are flavors that are dependent on the person who's drinking it in other words you write here in the um in the Cabernet Frank for instance or you just said to us that has this herbl likee you know or more of an herbl like uh fragrance and taste than the other wine that we had earlier right but that's all a it's all somewhat relative no or am I wrong that people don't taste different things in different ones well first of all you tasted it yourself right so it's there but I don't know if I'd call it herb I may how would you call I don't know I'm trying to think what did it seem like to you Mrs Wallock see what was it I think it's important to make you use words before yo this is a fun game for me let's ask you what the next wine tastes like or what this one was you know let me have a little bit more and see if I can come up with it what would Elie Shapiro say if he was here what would he say this wine tastes like that could be you know you're not going to like this you know you know what you know what it tastes like a good to me is that insane I'm serious it tastes like a good salt yes it has that there flavor no you're not you know you know about salt well you're the salt expert you've taught me well also has a little gunpowder I think he's serious by the way not quite sure if that's from his Wasington Heights days or his Israel days but it sounds like he's serious say it again ises you could say that again that could I could I answer you elaborately what you just asked yes yeah okay while I keep tasting I'm going to be drunk in a 10 minut to take over the show pretty soon thinking I'm not driving and they still they still promis me the port I better wrap this up with the port at some point otherwise it's gonna be a revolution go ahead sir I'm sorry um most fruits have a typical molecule composition therefore you could so you know what a watermelon tastes like and you know what a banana tastes like and you know what a strawberry smells like and tastes like and uh you could even reproduce it in a lab take the synthetic uh molecules and get a strawberry flavor and they nothing to do with strawberries but you will get the flavor and butter people do that all the time to our exactly right what made grapes unique and uh a whole culture developed around them and people occupy themselves with comparing uh Vineyard locations and Wineries and origins of the grapes is because in a very unique way if uh most fruit have two or three or four molecules that are typical grapes have thousand hundreds and sometimes thousands of molecules of Aroma components now they will no to alike I mean to a degree right and it lot has to do with how you process them to see what will come out of the fruit I'm not kidding I see on your face that you think I don't think I don't think you're kidding what I'm thinking of as you say that is therefore that's what brings the wineries into the whole uh equation that the uniqueness of how the winery deals with those grapes is going to produce something different exactly now I'll give you some examples of what uh will affect the wine first of all the yield first of all the great grape type okay then where it's grown right then the yield if you have the same grape in the same location with different yields you're going to get different Aromas standing out compared to the other Aromas which will be lift in the back I get that I get that date of harvest if you harvest a red wine early you'll get red fruit if you wait a little bit longer you get black fruit if you wait later you get brown fruit and that goes to do with the port why you have chocolatey flavors because it was harvested late I love it okay now then you take it to the winery um what temperature do you ferment it how long do you keep it on in with in contact with the Skins before you press it there's a million things going on a million things going on so is it legitimate then to say that that wine is pysh like is there is there in other words you produce a specific type of wine and and an expert would say you know that pyo came out with a new wine and and an expert would say you know what it tastes like it came from sagot it tastes like the way they make wine is that a legitimate way of looking at it first of all it is but it's easier to say that about the fruit origin and people could definitely taste the fruit of pagot right you can only make pagot wine because that's the type of grapes you have you have pagot grapes that's what that's why right mostly yes but uh even some other wi we will take our fruit and other wineries do take our fruit they will still have that sagote origin of fruit they put their Twist on it they will have their twist but the base will be uh sagot Vineyards right wow pretty amazing so now can I do it uh can I do it on the first one can I try to identify what I think it tastes like please do any excuse to drink cuz I get lightheaded here let's see this is the shiras you've written that you taste some cherry boisenberry and pomegranate in there I don't got the pomegranate hang on a second give me a give me a second on this one you know what a tastes like do you taste the pomegranate you know what a do you taste the pomegranate you taste the pom I don't get that it's the poisonberry that's the pomegranate is this I think there's blackberry in there is that possible for the love of God I think there's blackberry in there is that possible it's possible it should be where's Ellie shapira is there Blackberry in the shiras or not oh so you do agree oh you know you're you're guessing like me and I and I called him an expert a minute ago all right so far the Cabernet Fran and the shiras have been on our taste schedule thank God I get to take a break now W this is unbelievable we visit the bagot winery we're not promoting irresponsible drinking here we're promoting that this could be a tremendous enhancement to your shabas table even during the week you go get a delicious wine especially from Israel as Ellie said earlier this is a very important time to buy wines from Israel so we're giving you a great recommendation you can do it either directly from sagot especially when you visit here or of course at any of your retailers they don't carry it you make sure to hound them until they do will I get my port wine I hope so we'll find out coming up keep it right here at the Alam seagull Network as we continue our program during this adventurous trip to Israel from the pagot winery at j.org and aig.com