The Weekly Update with Nachum Segal and Malcolm Hoenlein on JM in the AM

Malcolm Homeline is with us. Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish organizations. We call this the weekly update. Mr. Homeline, welcome back to JM in the AM. >> It's so good to be with you. >> I appreciate that. I'm telling you, until I get 100% healthy, I have a legitimate excuse why things aren't going right. The problem is when I'm 100% healthy and things don't go right, then I have trouble with the excuses. Well, ironically, we were talking last week as we remembering uh Julie Burman talking about leadership, talking about the impact one could have. And of course, somebody you knew very well, I knew very well, the former mayor of Jerusalem, Uri Lanssky, I I believe suddenly passed away after what seemed to me a uh a short illness, but uh conflicting reports about that. But that's not important. And the important thing is that he had quite a life and really taught us about leadership roles when it comes to philanthropy, volunteerism, and I think you could say, Malcolm, as the first Karedi mayor of Shallay, really did have the respect of most of the leadership of the city. Let me know if I'm right. What do you remember about Urri Leanski? >> Well, he was unfortunately Nter Young. He was 74. He was sick. They had to put out an announcement a couple days before forot or a day or two before his his passing. Um but he was really a remarkable man. His work with Yatsara was really noted and celebrated by people across the political spectrum and as mayor of Shallayam he did reach out to all sectors and um he awarded me the Manu Shallayam. He reached out beyond Israel. He was truly a remarkable role model in terms of what Yatsara did and does and continues to do for people in Israel. Uh so again, we're losing these really special, very special people and they're not replaceable. and the again the volunteerism and the spirit that he uh promoted through the work of Yatsar all over the country is is simply remarkable and again a lot of achievements a lot of things to look back on family and friends to be very proud of but to say the least I think that whole attitude of volunteerism which is which is prevalent in Israel we know that you know service service and public service is very important in Israel and people of all ages take it seriously but he took it to a different level and may his memory be a blessing Malcolm, what do you think when you heard the news about the United States capture of Maduro? Uh cur curious what your feelings are about the entire matter. Well, we don't know the entire matter yet because it's still unfolding and Madura was a um certainly somebody who had violated American law, American sanctions, American um procedures against him had been ongoing for a long time. He also certainly violated international law. His role within Venezuela is being uh shadowed today. We're not getting clear pictures of uh you know of how vicious the regime was. Uh you don't see many people crying for Madura to return. Uh I hope that there is a plan for the day after that we haven't seen yet about how they're going to translate this not to allow a vacuum to be created there and be filled again by another person of his ilk or his predilictions. you know, he followed the Yugos Chavez tradition and uh he was a um he was tied to Cuba. He was certainly tied to Iran uh and to uh to others and part of their designs in the region including China, Russia, others uh with whom he had very close relations. there was the you know the nefarious nature of the Venezuelan regime and its role with Hezbollah with in South America but also way beyond South America is you know not appreciated by people but it's uh it's not just about the energy it's about their role is uh fmenting terrorism and and certainly in narotism the transport of drugs and the uh they ruined the country a very wealthy a country with one of the biggest oil reserves and yet they and they pitted people against one another. The e economic conditions in Venezuela are horrific and I think that uh a constructive change there could rebuild uh a democratic Venezuela at a time when we're seeing some positive shifts. Countries again renewing ties with Israel, talking about moving their embassies to Israel from South America. Um that would be this would be a major step forward if they can stabilize the situation and bring a democratically elected regime there. >> What do you think of the uh what do you think of the entire idea of the United States taking this policing role and removing the leader of another country? Do you think this is uh uh essentially you know reserved for President Trump and and likely no other administration would have gone this far or taken this type of action? uh what do you think about the United States's role to decide no longer can this person lead the country? >> So, first of all, there were plenty of warnings and plenty of uh there was plenty of activity beforehand. Uh again, a lot will have to be judged in hindsight when we know more of the facts and and the exchanges. The he was given plenty of opportunities. You know, the United States didn't just start with him. the their actions against the um the fleets the especially the the secret fleets of uh smuggling um uh oil and but it's also the narco to drugs that were being smuggled to to other countries including Mexico and into the United States from Venezuela. Venezuela was uh is a training camp, has many training camps ofaha and was a source of of influencing other countries and working together with Cuba, working with others with some Liberian states um to destabilize the whole continent. And I think as I said, I'm I feel positive about the potential of real change now happening in other places. It's it's a gradual process. It's not going to be an overnight uh revolution across the continent, but look at Argentina today. Look at some of the Paraguay and Aruguay and others that are today much more positive. And um hopefully this can be translated. But but it has to be done in a way that gives the people of Venezuela confidence in the future. >> What do you think as you were hearing reports that some people were blam blaming Israel for Maduro's removal by the United States? what's new and uh it's was to be expected and the you know it it the first thing you do about anything from Charlie Kirk's killing and you see people who are one time responsible journalists making outrageous illusions saying well why can't I you know speculate about that you know they've been involved in so many assassinations which is not true um that the this automatic blame Israel blame Zionists uh I think when they looked at the action that was taken and the brilliant American military moves, they say, "Wow, that looks like Israel did it." And uh so I guess Israel can take pride in that. Israel did not Israel did not do it. The United States did do it. They do train together. They do have a lot of exchanges and I think it was uh executed brilliantly with a loss of life on the American side and minimum loss of life there. And so the but this knee-jerk reaction that everything everything gets blamed on Jews and on Israel, you know, we can dismiss it. We can make light of it, but the fact is that it's reflective of the sickness today that that permeates the internet that permeates uh our campy's campuses and is being promoted and promagated by state actors, not just by non-state actors. and something to be taken very seriously. >> Do do you feel like my parents would have felt that they'd prefer if the judge presiding over the Maduro case was not an Orthodox Jew? >> So I I know Alvin Herstein. I've known him for many many years. He was very active in the KJ community on on Soviet jury and I worked with them and with him. Um I think it's an amazing statement. The guy at 92 can undertake this kind of an assignment and has the confidence in the people to do it. Uh I I what bothers me is the emphasis on the fact that that he was Jewish and Orthodox Jew. I don't see them telling what other people judges religions are when they're being designated for for positions. And that's also true of some elected positions this weekend. the constant emphasis on the question I I've seen regard to the city council president when in fact the leaders of the city council she's not the first Jew Sandy Gerell I remember Andy Stein many others who served they weren't speakers because the title >> they weren't speakers of course they weren't they they didn't change the title >> right they were they were president right president that was known as >> they were presidents of city council they were leaders of city council but uh um But they were Jewish. They were elected. The city council has gone undergone changes. Many not to the better. Uh since then uh but they changed the titles. So it's true the first one to have the speaker title, but the emphasis on it uh is troublesome to me because it the it's the fact that uh and that she won by a 51 to zero margin I think is is an important statement especially when we know some of the constituency in the city council. Um, so, uh, I I think it would be better just to have people identified by their skills and by their, uh, capacity. Malcolm, for those of you listening around the world, is referring to the, uh, leader, the speaker of the the new speaker, uh, Jewish speaker of the New York City Council. In that regard, then you're probably, I don't know, concerned or it might irritate you as well when the police commissioner of the city of New York is often identified by her religion. >> Yeah. It's, you know, it's not it's not so much annoyance. It's that the fact that why single out a person's um religious identity now in the case of the police when especially because of the mayor the new mayor and whether she would and his positions and policies whether she was going to stay or not and she comes from a very prominent family uh Jewishly involved family and she wears a big mug and dubbed it uh so she's very proud of her Jewishness and um you know it's I understand why it happens And I understand why some people take pride in in promoting these things. I just think at a time of when things are so sensitive >> that the the sometimes the identification and the singling out is is something we shouldn't just applaud. We should think about it. >> Right. Uh all right. Let's go to Iran for a second. Many of us are watching and hearing the reports about the and seeing videos of the protests and the unique um uh rebellion so to speak that's going on there. We've even heard reports that the leader of Iran is uh arranging you know a con a a contingency plan to get out of the country if necessary. How does one judge and you've been watching this obviously closely for years but I'm specifically talking about the last two three weeks. How does one judge if this if this revolt if these protests are being effective and if it really will lead um likely to the removal or the uh you know exile of the Iranian leader like how does one evaluate when you look at this how does one evaluate if this is in fact making progress? >> Well, as you know that I've I've been involved with the issue of Iran for decades. I worked very closely with people in Iran, Jews and non-Jews. Uh I've negotiated with the Iranian government over the Iran 13 and so I feel very intimately connected and involved and I have I speak to people in Iran regularly. We we keep up to date on what is happening. Obviously we have a constituency there that could be 15 20,000 Jews left in in Iran. Nobody knows the exact numbers but according to some recent studies that were done uh the number may be higher than what we thought. The uh the so the first thing is the demonstrations are not stopping. Contrary to what some of the reports they're growing there were many people in taken to hospitals last night. Some say as many as a thousand uh people shot the uh the armed forces the security forces are using weapons. in other places. We know that security forces did not shoot at the at the demonstrators in some more isolated uh places and where they took over police stations the demonstrators and took the weapons and are using them now um because the people themselves don't have guns and they're not shooting at the police. But the numbers in the streets continue to grow and the number of cities where they are are demonstrating. The problem you don't have the central figure around whom they can all mobilize >> and that they can so people suggest raili the son of the sha but he's not the new unifying figure he is a figure and will no doubt play a role and uh is being looked to I think because of the absence of of another leader it would have to be some sort of a collective leadership and you know that Iran is not a uni a unitary country there's Less than half the people are far Iran. Half you have 30 million Azeris. You have 12 million Baluchi. You have the Hwazi Arabs. You have Drews and Ky. You have all these groups who make up half of the country and half the country Iranian um Farsy the um the economic conditions continue to worsen. And when people were questioning maybe wondering why I would report on where the on the economic factors especially about where the currency was because that's what's leading to this that when the bizarre and the bizarre leaders when they took the streets that changed the dynamic of the demonstrations there when the currency is a million and a half a million450,000 to the dollar you understand that it's worthless and the economic conditions there was no reversal when no electricity, no water, all of which I reported because these were the ingredients that would lead to to kind of revolution and and unrest etc. So the question is will the basie and the other forces the RGC stand up against the people? Will they not will they turn their guns on him? The people are still yelling and demonstrating we will not die for Gaza. We will not die for Lebanon. We will die for Iraq. They say that BB is is in fact the most single popular person in Iran and they keep calling for Israel to be involved in Israel has decided to let America take the lead. It's not helpful. I think there's some of the statements from Israeli leaders because then the government can say you see it's a Israeli plot and there are enough people in Iran probably believe it. Uh this is not an Israeli plot. places domestic of domestic origin. It's it's the frustration of the young people who have been leading up to this and there was a crackdown. the forces there again imposing the dress codes and other codes uh more strictly and uh and at a time when literally people don't have water in in Thran in the capital and they were talking about moving the capital if you saw when many of the leadership their families have applied to France England others for visas to come to to leave the country uh there are many of the leadership who have children studying here in the United States which should be a subject of an investigation too but uh >> meaning on the college level I assume. >> Yep. And they want to come here you know many of them applied for Venezuelan um I mean thousands and thousands of the leaders applied for Venezuelan uh citizenship and and passports. So they I mean they saw the potential of this. They still see the potential of it. I'm sure they're all trying to work on um you know to to assure that uh that they can continue but they they have huge you know financial investments and security investments in terms of their futures but when you see how many of their young of the children of leadership left the country when you see the brain drain with tens and tens of thousands of the brightest and best of Iranian students and even hundreds of thousands who have left over the recent years. It's a complete deterioration and breakdown of the society. >> So, you made a lot of really important points, but I think one of the most important ones is that if you don't have a revolutionary leader, if you don't have a figure to rally around, it's really hard to pull off regime change. And if if we look at history, I would guess that you're right that in the majority of cases, there's somebody who takes on the responsibility and attracts people to a movement. Well, the they had Kmeni who was as you know Kado France held it. France United States u when the shot came down with cancer. I don't want to go through all history but it's uh if you remember the events of 1979 it just didn't it wasn't just a snap. >> I work with people who came on the plane with Hini in 79. They've all turned against the regime and they, you know, we listen to their side and you get a much more accurate and and and view and understanding of the dynamic. But as you said, the the fact that you had a singular figure who was then extolled and built up as as the leader and when he came of course greeted by huge demonstrations uh throwing off the after sha's departure >> they that you don't have right now a singular figure and they're trying to to talk about you see they're trying to talk about others but the presidents of Iran now um right you see successor but that he would be a a more moderate figure. So it has to be a clean sweep and it has to be one that then gets rid of the foreign influences in Iran and stops its external venturism and then ultimately leads to diplomatic relations between Iran and Israel. That's the long-term view. >> Yeah, understood. It's America's one and only Jewish moments in the morning radio program. heard and listen to sponsored digital radio around the world.com network. Of course, the beloved NSN app. I should have asked you about the Venezuelan Jewish community. Any uh reason to fear one way or the other, you know, compared to what was going on there a couple of weeks ago? >> Well, we always concerned, but it's the law general lawlessness that has been a threat to them. And uh you know, the community has diminished a lot. It was a it's a very proud it's a great community, wonderful people. Uh but I but I would say it's greatly diminished. Many of their children live in the United States, Florida, and Israel and other places. Um so it's uh but it's not targeting the Jews. We don't see that. But the of course the government blames the Zionist or the revolution trying to mobilize people against it or to get support for it. But um I I've not heard of specific concerns. They are impacted as everybody else. There's no food, there's no money, there's the conditions are terrible. >> Yeah. And as you said, when there's lawlessness, there's always fear. No question about that. So, when we keep hearing about the potential for an Israeli attack on Iran, and there's been rumors all over the internet about the United States cooperating and going in again to Iran for Israel, I is this whole Iranian nuclear potential a completely separate topic from the demonstrations and protests going on? I would think if the economy is so weak and leadership is trying desperately to hold on to the people that the last thing on their mind is to continue to develop a nuclear program. I is is it possible there will be a necessity for some type of US or Israel attack on Iran? >> Well, first of all, they are moving ahead on the missile program on the nuclear program and the missile program represents a danger. We know that the goal is to produce enough that they can rain a thousand missiles on Israel at one time. They saw what they could do to overwhelm Israel's air dependent today with the addition of the um the laser system. Uh the situation is a little bit better, but still we know how much damage the missiles did and the fact that they are rebuilding that capacity. The nuclear program is also uh mo moving ahead. And when the United States struck, they didn't do it for Israel. They did it because this is a threat to America's national interest to American security. Iran is still the fulcrum of of many of the anti-American uh and the efforts to undermine both the United States. We know their activities here and the attacks that they have and the over the years attempted both on American soil and outside of America. But the the uh we should remember that this is a western interest. This is a threat to western societies and to to the values and the the um so when America does this it's because it's part of the the the framing of the of the global interests of of the United States and every country in the region wants to see Iran collapsed. uh there are some that are stronger in that view and some less strong but but clearly that is the view and we see their role in Syria. They're continuing right by the way to reassert their role there and elsewhere at a time when they don't have any resources and the real key as I said is if we can see the busie and the others rebel if they put down their weapons or they turn their weapons against the uh the regime uh that will be important indication. I do not see an immediate attack unless the regime tries to divert attention by launching something against Israel or against American forces or reactivates the Houthi forces who have if you notice have been pretty quiet uh lately. >> Yeah. Um and and for those who don't understand the importance of what Israel did in Somali land with a recognition um uh just take a look at the map for one minute and you will understand exactly why this is so important >> because Somali land is an entry point to >> Babel Mandam to the straits to the and and from Somali land where there is an air force base that could be built up. um that for Israel to respond to the Houthis, they won't have to send long range jets. They can send drones cuz it's right across the straits and it puts Israel in a very critical position. And we know that Turkey is trying to build the military base there and the naval bases there. So are others. This puts Israel in a very important presence in a very important sensitive geopolitical position. Not saying they're going to build military bases there. I'm saying that it it it could be strategically a very important relationship and some people should once in a while just take a look at the map at where all these others what what is happening and you see the UAE relationship strengthening that they did not UAE Morocco Bahrain did not criticize Israel going to Somali land Saudi Arabia did and we're seeing some disturbing trends in Saudi Arabia as as well as the region as of course the ty continues its uh defensive role and um spending money in the United States and by the way not just on our campuses. We know that the new thrust is going to be targeting Hollywood with billions of dollars and uh Qatar continues to support and I think that there will be evidence uncovered eventually of ties between them and groups supporting the uh democratic socialists and and other groups in the United States. >> Wow. Oh boy, the next generation is going to have a lot to worry about. Not that this generation doesn't, but you get my point. Um, the White House would have us is trying to convince us, I think, that the Gaza Board of Peace is moving forward and making progress. Malcolm, I ask you, is it in fact doing that? >> Well, there was some progress this week, the appointment of Madina, who's somebody we know well and who was UN envoy to the region and was, I would say, uh, seen sympathetically as sympathetic by many Israeli leaders. um and he's been appointed to be the point man for the uh board of peace. Uh I think and Trump is the chairman. Uh I think if they can show real progress and get things going, the president obviously is delaying the return of the last hostage body. Um, I think they would like to already start and start moving on construction and uh uh some efforts to to stabilize at least on the Israeli side of the Gaza divide. It's um it's hard to see how all this is going to happen and where the dillions are going to come from and you know how the how reconstruction will be undertaken. Um but I think the the steps this week showed that there is activity. We see countries that have lined up and said that they would provide uh resources, troops, but again, we don't know until it really comes down to it. And uh they have to start pointing up the the resources. >> Lebanon wants us to believe that they've made great progress in dismantling Hezbollah. Does Hezbollah and Lebanon look very different than they did a year ago? They look different than a year ago for sure. And the government has, especially in the Palestinian refugee camps. They they've confiscated weapons and they claim to have cleaned up everything south of Lutani. But you have to remember that Israel did a lot of the cleaning up south of the Lutani. And um but but it's far from having confiscated the weapons. We know that new shipments have come in and they continue to try to send in new weapons. uh said they are reorganizing and preparing for the next round. Uh there are concerns about training camps inbalah that still operate. The fact that the government is taking the Lebanese government is taking an assertive posture on this. We have to see whether they what happens to weapons that are confiscated. What happens in in going after the stuff beyond above the latani that has this was supposed to be disarmed just like Hamas was supposed to be disarmed and has not been the um so the situation in Lebanon is very fragile as it always is and we'll have to see whether they can create circumstances so that the people of the north of Israel can go back and rebuild their lives that they will have security arrangements that will give more confidence than people seem to have now and that the um that is really dismantled and as the prime minister pointed out there has to be a process of dradicalization. It's not enough just to take the weapons. If you leave all these people with their their extremist and radical ideologies and you don't have a process of denoxification as you had after World War II, then we're only still the seeds are going to be there to continue this for the next generation. >> Yeah. Well, I think they're always going to be there, but uh and this is the old debate, you know, can the enemy be completely eradicated or not? And I don't know if there's much hope for that, but I I guess it's always important to hope and pray. Um I had an interesting guest this week. Someone from Startup Central joined us from Israel. We're talking about the I mean, you've mentioned this a million times, the strong economy, thank God, and the tech sector doing very well even with the two-year war, etc., etc. And one of the things he said was he was visited by representative of a major German energy company that's now investing in Israel technology and establishing an office for themselves in Israel. And I said they have an office in the US and he said no they're they're establishing an office in Israel before the US. I said does the political realm does as an example Germany. I mean you could take any European country. does the political realm understand how much their the economic realm of their country benefits from a good relationship with Israel? And he said to me, you'll never believe the disconnect between the political and economic sectors of these European countries. I found that to be very interesting. And I I would assume you agree with that, right? That that it's not just that one doesn't know what the other hand is doing. is that that they refuse to to um to leave their anti-Israel position even if it's benefiting so many major companies in their country. >> The disconnect is is real. U I would say in Germany it's probably less so because the Israeli companies and first of all you saw Israel selling defensive equipment to Germany. I mean, how who would have thought that uh you know, little Israel has to supply them the missiles and things to defend the borders of Germany that the and and by the way, other countries too are running to Israel and they certainly will try to get the um the laser system, other systems u as they're proven. But uh I saw this week how many companies Israeli companies were here were in the Gulf were in other places uh looking to for investors looking and with amazing amazing products. I mean really life-changing products and and discoveries that continue at an amazing pace um that the uh that uh I think will will um emerge in in all these countries. They're all going to the Gulf. The Gulf is investing in in Israel still and not Saudi Arabia, but other countries, especially the UAE and the, you know, the number of flights that go between, I think it's now 13 a day between the UAE and and Israel that the Europeans who are taking this short-sighted view don't realize how much they are cutting off their own people from the benefits. you don't have the same kind of creativity other than the United States. It's it's Israel. Um there are other pockets of it and I'm not saying it's exclusive, but it's still amazing despite all of the burdens of October 7th and all of the guys in Milo and all the other things that we're still seeing this steady uh steady development of new and and exciting um uh inventions and and developments. So, you're right. The countries learned the lesson. If they don't want the benefit of Israeli drugs, if they want to really boycott the intel and their computers and everything, they should just shut down, move back into a cave, and they will not have to use Israeli inventiveness. >> You know what's funny is that so often investors will not invest in entrepreneurs or companies unless those entrepreneurs and companies are full-time. That's their only interest is, you know, growing that company. And at the same time he's describing to us these Zoom calls with soldiers, you know, on the front who are leading these companies and yet they still decided to invest with them. So it's unbelievable, you know, guys and and and and you know, and and again members of the military who have other jobs and other responsibilities during the war and yet they the the investors still take them seriously when meeting with them about the future of their company. It's really unbelievable. It's completely against the uh uh you know one's instinct when it comes to investing in somebody. >> Yeah, that is very true. And that the um hopefully the what they talking about the brain train the number of people leaving Israel after they'll put that into context. People leave the United States that leave every country that this is a very fluid generation. It is true that some left you know with the pressures of the war. I think many will come back. I think the circumstances in in the countries uh that they went to are going to encourage them to come back uh hopefully as the security situation and things settle down. But the economy is roaring forward. It's unbelievable when you see the Israeli the shekele is like 3.17 to the dollar. >> Correct. >> It's it's so strong compared to the dollar and the um projection still of 3 and 8% growth etc. If you look at all the numbers, it's it's almost mind-boggling under the circumstances that Israel operates that, as you said, the foreign investment, I'm not going to say it's exactly as as it was before, but it's still sustained and and people want to partner with Israel. >> Yeah. When you hear people say, "Please pay me in shekel instead of dollar," you know, you know, we're in a different era, I got to tell you. And finally, Malcolm, I don't know if you're gonna be an ally with me on this or not, but you know, a campaign is very different than when someone's actually in office. And I understand a lot of people in this area really can't stand the new mayor of New York. I get the whole thing, but I I I really think people need to pay attention to the fact that he is the mayor, deserves a measure of respect, especially if, you know, things are going smoothly in most areas. And I I I just seeing the social media influencers and the people that release videos with these vile statements about him and terrible rhetoric against him. I don't know. It ju it doesn't sit a 100% well with me when I again think that in our history when someone already took the official position, we they were dealt with very differently. But look at the first actions that he took and you look you see that he didn't try to uh uh reach out by not uh wiping out the executive orders that directly impacted the community including the IRA definition and the uh the laws about the um demonstrating near uh synagogue. >> But but there's a respectful way to to to to to display displeasure. There's a respectful way to do it. Are you seeing some of the ways people are doing it online? It's outrageous. Well, I don't see the way they do it online as a rule. I I try not to do that. But but I don't think he treatment has been respectful. I think there were other ways that that he he could have done it. I think some of the appointments are of real concern. The fact that his first appointment had quit because she made anti-semitic comments. And I think that uh you know, again, time will tell. We'll see if experience moderates uh the guy and what he what he really does. But I think the the idea of also brushing this all under the rug is the wrong way to do it. I think it's think we have to, you know, we have to confront the reality, which is what I think you're saying is that he's there, >> right? >> Uh but it doesn't mean that we put our guard down in any way and that our community should be doing now the voter registration for next year because the guminatorial race will be very critical and other races, congressional races next year, very critical. It's now the time we showed this year that we could make more of a difference and uh that others are now beginning to understand that it was less than 20% of the Jews that voted for him and we can make a difference. Uh we see what grassroots mobilizing which he did and he had a a brilliant campaign clearly uh for somebody who had no policies, no exposure, no nothing to emerge like this. So, I do think um that I'm I'm not willing to put aside and and to say that we just, you know, try to do this through rose colored glasses. I think that would be a mistake. We have to work with the administration. We have to be protect the interests of the community. Make sure security is upheld. Make sure that our rights are protected like every other communities are and that they not adopt policies that will uh endanger the our community, community interests, relationship with Israel, all these other things that are on our agenda. Uh and it's not something you can take for granted. Nor should we should we take a smile as a policy. >> Understood. I just think that there are a lot of people who are going completely overboard and that there is a respectful way to express what you just said that there's a you know there's a proper way uh to address these issues and to express our discontent with certain things without doing the 2026 version of these outrageous yelling and screaming in videos about uh about anybody. I mean in this case happens to be him but it could be against anybody. I just don't think it's becoming of our people frankly to deal with it that way. But I don't know, maybe some of this week's events just uh got me to think that way. Thank you so much for joining us. Have a wonderful Shabas. We'll speak again next week. >> Have a good show and be well. >> Malcolm Homeline with us. Weekly update here at JM and the AM.