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Park East Synagogue Selichos preview with Cantor Benny on today's JM in the AM
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Nachum Segal welcomed Cantor Benny Rogosnitzky of the Park East Synagogue to the program to preview what promises to be another powerful first night of Selichot this Motzei Shabbat. They also discussed leading High Holiday prayers and more
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here at JM in the AM. Well, it's no
secret that it's one of my favorite
conversations of the entire year
when the great caner Benny Rogaznitzki
joins me. There are a lot of SLA
services. A lot.
Some people depending on the schedule
can go to multiple
services this coming Saturday night,
this coming mat shabas. I even noticed
that the Sparta community who've been
saying slit for almost three weeks, they
also have a big deal going on this
coming Saturday night. And in Israel,
where I didn't know if people would
adhere to the um
restrictions suggested by some of the
rabbis not to have musical instruments
on Roesh and during I didn't know if
they would follow that or not. And it
seems like uh some are not and they're
having a similar sle service uh in
Israel in many places um comparable to
those with musical instruments that
happen around the world. But with all
that having been said and all the
different SLA services being
acknowledged,
I don't think it's disputable that the
centerpiece of the world's sle night is
Park Synagogue. And I say it because I
think they were the first to make a big
deal about the first night of Slehus. I
think they were the first to feature an
amazing internationally renowned caner
the first night of Sleus.
And they were probably the first frankly
although maybe some of the folks in
Burough Park will argue uh they were
probably the first to sell out
in a large synagogue venue
um which happened decades ago. They're
doing this a long time. Anyway, Caner
Benny Orgasitzki,
one of our favorite guests. He's with us
live via telephone to discuss and the
high holidays. Caner Benny, what a
pleasure to welcome you back to JM in
the A.M.
>> Thank you so much. It's wonderful to be
with you and all the listeners.
>> Do you uh do you disagree with me on any
of my assessments in my opening?
[laughter]
>> Not not at all. In fact, I want to add
something. I think in North America and
maybe in the United States in general,
Parks was the first to actually sell
seats
>> for Right. Right. to reserve to reserve
a seat, you actually had to put down
some money, right?
>> That's correct. Wow. Interesting. And
you know what I meant by our friends in
Burough Park because obviously there's a
kentorial tradition there that's like
none other. Uh but I still park I still
think Park East is the centerpiece of
every and you see what's happened. you
see what's happened around the entire
world. Sleus is like a very very big
deal. Uh but I still think Park East is
the nucleus of the whole operation.
>> I I agree and I do want to give credit
to our friends in Bora Park because
ironically in many ways that's where it
started with Kusitzki in the 50s and 60s
in Bethl. So we got to remember you know
what the source is but I think we we're
now giving them a run for their money,
>> right? 100% totally agreed. All right,
Caner Benny. We haven't spoken in a
while. Uh, and since we last spoke on
the air, we lost a dear friend. Of
course, I'm referring to Charlie
Burnhhat, who's still with us, quote
unquote, on Wednesday nights here at the
Nom Seagull Network since we're still
playing his uh Hour of Jewish Soul,
historial selections that he chose. And
it's obvious from the reaction to his
passing from people like me and you and
many others. It's obvious that he was a
beloved person and very few knew him the
way you did. So, how about a minute
before we start on our high holiday
journey? How about something about
Charlie Burnernhard and your thoughts
now that Schlloam has passed uh and he
left us in the middle of the month of
Avim.
You're right. Charlie was first of all a
dear friend to me for close to 30 years.
He was just an outstanding human being,
a sweet, sweet, sweet mench. And he
loved Fela. He loved cantoral music. He
always used to say, "I'm not a maven in
cantoral music, but I'm a maven in the
shama in soul."
>> And uh Charlie just just loved this
trade. He loved what Hazanus did to
people and how it brought people
together. Um he and uh he he dedicated
his entire life to really two causes.
One was Israel and his love for Israel
that was beyond what I could describe in
words as you know and second was Kazanus
that he just lived by lived for and I
have no doubt that this Saturday night
he'll be sitting in heaven listening to
Park from Bethl from around the world
because that's what he lived for.
>> By the way, that's not a joke. You know
he'll be dialed in. He'll be dialed into
Selus this coming Saturday night and
Sunday morning. And what did his
describe what his face looked like when
he stood there in Park East and took in
the entire Sle scene.
>> I mean ecstasy. First of all, you
couldn't talk to him. You could not
disturb him. You know how people have to
be reminded not to talk during
>> probably didn't need to be reminded
because you could not speak to him even
if you tried. It's like he was
transformed to a different place and he
he just really really lived for this and
he loved it.
>> You know what I I got to add a couple of
things to what you're saying and again
no one knew him the way you did. Um the
number one is he knew that there could
be a serious revival of interest in
cantoral music and in the whole canal
space.
But he never ever brought up the fact
that there were naysayers, including
myself, who thought that the whole
pursuit was a little bit crazy. And he
was not the type of person to rub it in
your face or to give you the old I told
you so. He just simply enjoyed the
success, which was, you know, you unique
in some ways. And I just I remember that
about him. Also, one other thing that
I'm sure you agree with. Um, he had an
uncanny ability
to revel in other people's success.
He was always happy, always glad when
something, even if he wasn't responsible
for it, if something went well and if
something succeeded. And I bet you, I
mean, again, with your partnership with
him for 30 years, I'm sure you felt that
very often.
>> Yes. He had, you know, in Yiddish
there's a word to forgin,
>> right? to just enjoy and to find space
in your heart for other people's
success. And that was very much Charlie.
It was not about him. It was about the
cause. And I'll tell you a story that
you most probably don't even know, but
it relates to you. If you recall, in
2006,
>> Charlie and I invited you to attend what
at the time was a historic event at the
Metropolitan Opera, right? We still sold
out the opera. We beamed [clears throat]
the event to to Brooklyn. And when
Charlie knew that you were coming to the
concert and that you would sit through
it, which itself, by the way, was
miraculous to go into the, you know,
[laughter]
world record, he was so happy. And I
always thought to myself, there were
5,800 people there, but he cared that
Nah Seagull [laughter] should sit at
this this concert and enjoy
>> because that was his way because that
was his way of saying I told you so.
[laughter]
>> Exactly. Exactly. Were there almost
6,000 people there that night?
>> Yes, we sold every tier. We sold
standing room. There were people
scouting tickets outside and then we
still beamed the concert to to Bethl in
Brooklyn.
>> Unbelievable. The whole thing is
unbelievable. Caner Benny's with us
everybody talking about Charlie
Burnernhard and his role in the revival
of uh the cantoral music scene. And you
know I always tell you this Caner Benny.
You know what I remember most about that
night? And my wife makes fun of me cuz
when we go to concerts of all types, if
I'm at a Jewish concert, obviously
working, if I'm at a secular concert in
the audience, my wife always makes fun
of the fact that I love analyzing the
behindthescenes stuff that's going on.
And if you remember that night, do you
remember that night? Well,
>> oh, very well.
>> If you remember that night, what was the
diff? Do you remember what the
difference was according to Caner
Healthcott? What was the difference
between the first and second half of the
concert? Do you remember this?
>> Well, I don't remember what the
difference was, but I'll tell you this.
I remember that there was a huge
difference. The first part, I think it
was really just a warm-up, right?
>> And look, it's very intimidating to
>> But what did he attribute it to? And by
the way, as somebody sitting where I sat
that night, I think he was right.
>> He attributed to too strong of an air
conditioning system in the room. And
apparently, and I think this was obvious
to anybody sitting in the audience, it
got much warmer. Apparently, they made
an adjustment to the air conditioning at
halftime and his second half ended up
being 10 times better. Do you remember
any of this?
>> Wow. Now, now that you say [laughter]
it, I remember it. I actually remember
having discussions backstage. Yep.
>> Wow. That's incredible. And I say this
because especially this time of year,
you know how sensitive the Kazanam are,
including yourself, in preparing for the
high holidays and you worry about
everything. I woke up this morning, the
air conditioner was on last night. I
woke up with a slight cold this morning
and I'm already, you know, sleepless.
This is Saturday night, can't Betty. So,
I was already in a total panic. I used
to hope I'm doing this 44 years. I used
to hope and I think I've mentioned this
to you before that I would get a cold
like toward the end of August because
then I knew I wouldn't get another one
when it came time for Yam like I got rid
of that you know [laughter] that that
period. So those of you who think those
of you who think that it's a convenient
excuse and Caner Healthcott was simply
not on his game during the first half
which by the way nobody could tell
anyway. It was still Helfot. You know
anyone who thinks that it's legit. It's
legit. These little things make such a
difference when someone is trying to
perform. So anyway,
>> by the way, you're so you're so right.
And the only thing I can compare this to
and and you'll know this as someone who
leads dominating for so many years is
you know during co when you used to
cough next to someone just a regular
cough someone who would look at you like
you were going to kill them right
>> for waking up in this month and you have
the slightest you're thinking you're
going to emergency room. [laughter]
Oh gosh. What is the I think I mean I
know ex probably everything we're
discussing this morning we've discussed
before so I better stop saying that. But
what's the rule of thumb?
you and other and maybe you know there's
different degrees depending on who it is
will not din for the how close to y in
other words
everybody will bend right if they're
asked to because I know during the
summer a lot of them are off but
everyone once shows up are they not
saying a word until
>> so by the way that's an excellent
question there actually two schools of
thought about this some say
>> just you know keep your mouth shut
months say nothing and get ready for
domining. Others say and by the way the
great kavarati believed this that you
should warm up before the weeks before
the days before you should have full
warm up.
>> So I can't say that I am in the camp of
yes domining before maybe not the day
before but yes warming up in the days
and weeks before so that you come ready
to run the marathon.
>> Well I'll tell you something and again
it takes decades of experience to learn
this lesson. My and I think I've said
this to you before. There I go again. I
believe my second day Rashashan is
better than my first day for one reason.
I had the first day,
>> right? And it also means, by the way, if
you feel that way, it also means that
you're using your voice the right way.
Because if you're overstraining on day
one, there's no way that you can produce
well on day two. Interesting. If you're
singing correctly and you know, the
nerves go down a little bit already in
the second day. It's it's like the
second sader. But if you're feeling good
on the second day, which I can't say for
3000, you're doing well, which is why
you obviously have a lifetime contract
in your shoe. [laughter]
>> It'll be it'll be a longer second day
this year because of chauffeur, but um
it still may may match the same timing
as the first day because the first day
obviously uh is more u is more full when
it comes to what we say during law.
Caner Benny's with us live via
telephone. And by the way, that feeling
lasts till Yam Kipper. I think my own
kipper goes well because 10 days or nine
days before I had the experience of
dominating you know for the Ahmed
Rashana. So it la it's not just lasting
day to day. It actually could last for a
week at a time,
>> right? And by the way, it's it's a
general rule. I always wondered like you
know before I would get up to Davin even
in a small sh I would always be somewhat
nervous and I once asked the great Kazna
of blessed memory what he thought about
that and he said if you go up to the and
you have no nerves right you're not
nervous at all there's something wrong
there has to be a certain element of
your nerves and then as you get into it
you know your nerves dissipate and
you're you're into it so I think there
is something healthy about having some
level of anxiety just not anxiety that
actually kills you. Yeah. I always tell
my kids if I wasn't nervous, I'd be
nervous. And my family will tell you, my
family will tell you on a day when I'm
hosting an event at 7 o'clock at night,
you can't talk to me for the 10 hours
beforehand. But from from the moment I
hit the stage the first time, all of a
sudden everything's gone. All the nerves
finally, you know, have disappeared. And
the other thing, by the way, on the
subject of, you know, Rashashana day two
being better than day one. I would never
dive in this shabas for the I would
always use the, you know, primidana
approach. No, no, no, no. I'm doing
sleas tonight. I can't doin. And now
it's the exact opposite. If you told me
to d for, which they likely will this
coming Shabas, I would d for without a
problem. And and again, much of Shabas
will be a little easier.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. I I think I would
say that if you took the majority of
people, they would say the domining the
day before, even the day of likely that
is, you know, not giving a full concert
uh gets you primed for sleep or whatever
you got.
>> So I shouldn't do a piece this coming
shop as you're saying. I shouldn't do
one of my favorite You should cut back a
little bit on the rose and black pieces
that you're planning to do. Leave them
for
>> the the brickme is going to have to be
normal time this shabas. You're saying
>> correct. limit that a little.
>> And you know why I said brme? Because
one of the greatest moments I told you
this, one of the greatest moments I had
in the in the space of Kazanas was
spending Shabas with you and Charlie
Burnernhard and we heard one of the most
amazing bricks and I've been told that
that Khazen, that young Khazen is very
well known these days. I don't remember
his name. Maybe you do.
>> What do you remember his name?
>> Yes, it's I I believe it I believe it
was Monty Boyer if it was Boyer, right?
He's in Israel, they say.
He's in Israel and he has a voice very
much akin to Yela Rosenblad. His look is
like Yasler Rosenlat and his voice is
like Rosenblad.
>> Yeah, they actually have the to say he
sounds like Rosenblat. But uh I I
remember as a regular regular guy who
doesn't know much about Kazanis. I
remember that brme and it was simply
remarkable and it was a big topic of
conversation between me, you Charlie
during that whole shabas. Everyone felt
you're going to hear something you've
never heard before and sure enough
that's exactly what happened. By the
way, I am sure you're follow Well, you
have to follow it because it involves
healthc god. I'm sure you're following
the uh the canther's row situation on
raov king George in Jerusalem because um
if I'm not mistaken now the kazin
rashium kipper in the great synagogue is
going to be Saul, right? Caner Saul,
>> correct?
>> And the caner and Yeshurin up the block
is going to be caner healthcot. Am I
right about that?
>> You're right. And by the way, that too
dates back to the great competition if
we'll call that between the Kusovitzki
brothers. Correct. That that happened in
the 50s and 60s where one was in Bethl
and I think one was on 14th Avenue and
some would go for Shak to one for Musv
to the other. And I think there are
people that are planning to do that this
year for Kipper in Israel.
>> People who if you're not familiar with
the geography of Jerusalem, they are
really really close by. And if
healthcott's with you and we'll discuss
it obviously this coming matzah shabis
someone told me that schulum lemur is
being brought into your for this coming
Saturday night.
>> That is true there's a rotation of
kazanis and kazan going all over the
world and the only thing I hope is that
there's no storm this week or next so
that they can get to their appropriate
destination
>> 100%. Boy Caner Benny's with us live via
telephone. We'll get to our gold
watcher. I apologize. Obviously, we're
going to uh uh push off morning uh for a
few minutes this morning. Caner Benny
will let me know when he has to leave if
it's before we end. Um so, the most
beautiful reimagined Bill Gins by Arthur
Schneider Schneider's in his 90s. He is
somebody who certainly can address the
state of world jury. He'll speak at
10:00 this coming Saturday night. You
are planning on starting with Kent,
Mayor Hulk
at 10:30. I would assume it's going to
be a soldout crowd. Are you asking for
reservations this year or not?
>> We are. We are. And I would say right
now we're at about 80% capacity. What
happens is
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's really the response is
just tremendous. And what happens is
between now and Miy Shabas, every seat
is filled.
>> Right. Wow. Yasi Schwarz will conduct
the Parky Synagogue choir. I'm assuming
you've heard them practicing all week,
right?
>> Absolutely. The the voices, the music in
the building, it's just beautiful.
>> I would imagine so. And it's all
happening at Parky Synagogue on East
67th Street in New York City. Be in your
seat before 10 p.m. And again, get ready
for Ashray at around 10:30. You can get
all the information by going to the
website park east synagogue.org.
park east synagogue.org. And here's your
chance. And by the way, Caner Benny, not
not that you would know the schedule by
heart, but this is going to be one of
those rare opportunities uh with the
upcoming brand new year to hear Caner
Health in New York. Would that be
accurate? Is he only going to be in a
couple of times during the next few
months?
>> Yes, for for this coming year, this will
be one of the only opportunities to
hear. I'm sure we'll have him back for a
few shapes during the year, but this is
going to be the masterpiece.
>> Uh, and one thing you did not do, unless
I uh unless I um saw the wrong
advertisement,
usually you will print some of the
guaranteed pieces, right? Those who are
keeping score are able to check off as
Caner Hulk goes through if in fact he's
kept his word about which pieces from
which famous hazanim he's going to do.
It looks like and again correct me if
I'm wrong. It looks like you have not
released any information about this
coming Saturday night.
>> You are 100% correct and it's
deliberate. We decided this year to not
list the pieces a in order to generate a
certain level of excitement but also to
give healthc a little bit of flexibility
that if he decides to do something else
at at anu or maybe let me not say anu
because that's too touchy a subject but
he will have the flexibility on the spot
to bring in whatever music he wants to
but I can assure people they're going to
get at least the same canal menu they
did before if not a lot more.
>> But here's the push back from Nah
Seagull. Caner Healthcott knows that the
choir is preparing certain pieces. The
ability to actually change something on
Saturday night seems very very limited.
Am I right about that?
>> So, so you're right. But the caveat is,
and this goes to a lot of credit to the
choir conductor Yussi Schwarz, who
really, by the way, it's for another
subject, but he's a another day. He's a
tremendous talent. Y Schwarz has the
ability to on the spot lead the choir in
whatever piece the caner will decide to
sing and that flexibility allows Hellcat
to kind of pick and choose. Yes, the
menu will largely be what you saw last
year, but I can assure you there are
going to be some pieces that are just
decided on the spot and the choir will
go with it.
>> And your reference to Anenu is because
it's guaranteed or because there are a
lot of people who will be upset if it's
not done or both. Well, well, a little
bit of both. We had one year where we
decided that maybe we shouldn't do our
name. We skipped it and and [laughter]
we got so much uh love, let me just say
by email and phone call that we're not
repeating that mistake.
>> So, the list that you have published,
and I know it's a little bit different
each year, that you have published in
the past, chances are 90% of those lists
will be done Saturday night.
Yes, I first of all, chances are the 90%
will be done. And I think if you notice
in in the the advertisements we've
written re-imagined and part of that is
we want to kind of hear the the the
times and the call the people which asks
for more communal participation and I
think what you're going to see this year
that perhaps you've seen less before at
this kind of host is a lot more songs in
the in the domy. Yes, you'll hear a
canoral, but you'll also hear a lot more
music where the people can actually sing
with and feel that it's a particular
>> So so we might hear a Joey Nukem song to
Schmakolenu.
[laughter]
>> Well, let's let's not take let's not
take it to an extreme. I love Joey. I'm
not sure that that's going to be the
repertoire, but you could hear some
Carl, some Mudgets, some Leonard Cohen.
I mean, we shall see,
>> right? If you uh if you hear um if you
hear thank you Hashem to Maknim, you
know they've gone overboard. [laughter]
>> Correct.
>> That would be a problem. That would be a
problem. Parky synagogue.org everybody.
Parky synagogue.org. And by the way,
because again you you are the first to
encourage people to get whatever
spiritual lift they need this coming
Saturday night. Your schedule does allow
for people to go and hear can their
health god completely and then move on
to you know the sleas that take place in
the middle of the night of which there
are many. So this is a for a lot of
people this would be a good starting
point you know to begin their evening.
Yes, and that's true whether you're
going to green or whether you're going
to Brooklyn or whatever you choose. Most
that I know start around 12:30, 1:00,
right? So, you will have a chance to
hear Sneakos here, get the best of
health and then go here whatever meets
your pleasure. Right.
>> You have that opportunity.
>> And even if they start at 1:00,
sometimes they don't really get revved
up till 2:30. So, you got plenty of
time.
>> Correct. So, all I could say is sleep
well this afternoon. By the way, I think
I I I said to my wife, this is I remind
you. I said to her, "This is the only
shabas of the year that I actually get
back into bed sham this afternoon
because
Saturday night is at is crazy." And I
like being at the 6:00 a.m. Shakur. So,
you know, you got, as you just
recommended, you got to get some extra
sleep if you're involved in sleepless
this coming Saturday night. Can we ask
what the Caner Benny schedule is for
5787?
It's obvious from what I said that Caner
Healthcott's going to be spending a lot
of the time in Jerusalem. Are you going
to be taking a larger role in the
synagogue?
>> I am. I am. I'll be leaving Davening for
Shashan Kipper. Wow.
>> Uh I don't want to say replacing Kelpa
because I honestly think that going into
his shoes,
but I have my own style.
>> You're
correct. I'm That's it. And I'm proud to
do that. And that means who's going to
be dominating chakras or is that not
public information yet?
>> No. So we have there there's Rabbi
Einstein there for a team here.
>> You're totally you're totally covered
people that will step in
>> and nobody has to but but let me just
say that if for some reason on the
second day of you want to lead Domin
here [laughter]
we will find a spot for you.
>> But you'd have to move over. I only know
how to do mus on rash. You'd have to
move back to shakus. [laughter]
Well, okay. That may be too much to ask.
>> And you and you'd also have to get used
to leaving Shaw at about 12:30, but
that's a separate topic. [laughter]
>> That would be the only issue with the
catering the Kdish would be an issue
there.
>> What time What time is the Kdish start
on the second day of Russia shut?
Approximately when do you think it'll
start in Park East?
>> So, so we starting about 8 and I think
Kdish would be at about 1:30.
>> Wow.
Yeah. And people can't believe that
we're like 9 to 12:30, especially Shabas
because there's no chauffeur.
>> So it's going to be
>> right. Well, all right. Look, hey, to
each his own, as you've said, Kerbenny,
over the years, you know, take in the
service that that suits you best. If you
want to dive in from 8:00 in the morning
until 4 in the afternoon, and that uh
strikes your fancy, go right ahead. You
want everyone just to have the most
spiritually uplifting Russashana
possible. Simple as that.
>> Yeah, absolutely.
>> All right. Canther Halgot Saturday night
10:30. Rabbi Schneider speaks at 10.
Enjoy everybody. Parky synagogue.org.
Parkies synagogue.org. Park East is
located on East 67th Street in New York
City. And I don't have to tell you this,
Benny. You'll do it anyway, but I'll say
it. Think of Charlie during Schmakolena.
>> Absolutely. We miss him terribly. And I
know that he is one of our greatest
advocates in heaven.
>> No question about it. No question about
it. Uh shhat my friend. Good luck over
mate Shabbat and of course good luck
next week.
>> Thank you so much a good shirt to you
and all the listeners.
>> Amaz thank you so much Caner Benny
Ruggaznitzki everybody. One of my
favorite conversations of the year.
Could you tell? COULD YOU TELL IT'S ONE
OF MY MOST FAVORITE conversations of the
year? Amazing. That's right. I have to
wait a whole year till the end of the
year. I have to wait till the end of the
year to have one of my favorite
conversations. Amazing.