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[Music] 5 minutes after 6: a.m. good morning everybody my name is n seagull welcome to a Wednesday this is your Jewish moments in the morning radio program and while the world world seems to be focused on Cleveland Ohio we are focused on the state of Israel very appropriate for us here at JM in the AM uh we are live today a lot of our programming this week as you know is pre-recorded and then airing uh the next morning because of timing and schedules here in Israel but today we are live from the office of ravim ravim is an amazing organization yesterday uh we met some Jewish Heroes who are brand new oim and Jewish Heroes who've been facilitating Aliyah for North American oim and potential oim for many years today we get to meet some other people who are involved in heroic activities here in the land of Israel ravim officially ensures responsible legal accountable and environmentally friendship environmentally friendly use of Israel's National lands and the return of the rule of law to all areas and aspects of the land and its preservation in order to meet that goal it takes quite an effort we're going to meet some of the people here today in the rig ofm office in Shar binyamin who are involved in these efforts on a regular basis some of them on a daily basis and some of whom have dedicated their life's Pursuit and as much spare time as possible to achieving this goal we're just Northeast of yush in the bamin region in the southern part of the shron and it's a beautiful day here in Israel and we are set to speak to our friends from ravim coming up between now and 900 a.m. our thanks to everybody who made yesterday such a special day with nefes Benes uh we did some things yesterday that we had never done before we aired a broadcast that was partly done from the actual aircraft on the plane as we were flying from Kennedy Airport to Tel Aviv uh we had guests on the air yesterday which were uh highlighted in Tel Aviv in that segment by brand new oim by Natan sharansky and the highlighted as well by the mother of Rabbi yua F who is um you can imagine quite proud to be the mother of a Jewish hero as I always call him uh more coming up here at JM in the AM Josh haston is the international director for riim he'll join us coming up we'll do some music for everybody and start getting into the show we have a great staff here with us in our JM and the am headquarters in the ri ofm office for this uh Wednesday afternoon as you listen on a Wednesday morning back in the USA and around the world on a Wednesday and if you want to comment on anything going on in this show you could utilize the NSN app the NSN app gives you the opportunity to comment on anything that's going on as we broadcast so install the app on your iPhone or Android and make sure to um to comment and in addition to that if you go to n.com you will be able to see and you will see right now uh me and our guests and our wonderful staff broadcasting from the rig ofm office in Israel go to n.com 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here on a Wednesday morning broadcast we are going to be speaking with our friends here at ravim I'm looking at a map uh a map that describes areas of illegal construction that are funded by the EU you heard correct correctly the European Union and this is something that we're not that familiar with on the other side of the world where the EU the European Union financially AIDS and finances uh what is considered to be illegal building here in Israel it's one of the things Rim concentrates on and deals with uh in legal manners and uh we're going to be speaking about that and much much more coming up here at JM in the am it's a Wednesday and we are in the midst of this amazing journey to Israel a reminder that tomorrow we are at the uh at the um campus in bit Mayer where the uh ncsy Co is having their annual summer session and then on Thursday we're going to to be and then Thursday night and then for the broadcast Friday morning at Y ncsy which brings together all of the ncsy summer programs in one Collective location for a big celebration that'll be Thursday night you'll hear it Friday morning right here at JM in the am. uh RI provides an amazing service for the future of the Jewish people I should say the present than the future of the Jewish people Josh Hast it's International director and we will speak with him and other guests coming up here at JM and the am they were founded back in 2006 as a direct result of a court case uh that was uh happening in this region and uh we're going to be um discussing that and the last 10 years of their activities here this morning at JM the want to acknowledge our friends chartic Medical Center in yush where we were earlier today for another unbelievable tour of their facility as they continue to build and grow uh the pictures from the visit uh to Shahed sedc which included a a really close look at some of the um sections of their children's hospital will be up later in the Nom seal Network section of Facebook on the Facebook update page and um a big thank you to Audrey gross Audrey gross again is responsible for for a wonderful tour and some great Hospitality at shic uh those of you out there who are really um inclined to see how a medical center operates in Israel especially one that's relied upon so heavily when it comes to uh difficult situations let's put it that way in the Holy Land you have an opportunity to do so uh when you get to Israel just to arrange that with the shc public relations department uh also you have an opportunity to comment on our app uh the NSN app is up and running which means that um if you have something to say about the program we're doing right now or anything you'd like us to know about you can go to the NSN app for iPhone or Android and actually comment on the app on the home screen of the app and um and we'll see exactly what you have to say whether it's a question or a comment whatever it might be we'll see that in front of us and don't forget you could watch everything going on right now at the ravim headquarters in the binyamin region of Israel by going to n.com on the homepage right now you'll see the video of our broadcast when our guests come and sit in our makeshift Studio you'll be able to see those interviews live and as they're happening here at JM in the am so keep that in mind as well more coming up we have a wonderful staff we'll tell you about them and plenty more happening on a Wednesday as we broadcast from Israel during this unique visit to the Holy Land you're listening to J the [Music] a [Music] she [Music] B [Music] fore [Music] she [Music] don't [Music] la [Music] foree [Music] la [Music] la [Music] de [Music] [Applause] [Music] down de [Music] I [Music] de [Music] de [Music] I [Music] sh [Music] [Applause] the [Music] sh [Music] you show we are [Music] sh Char see my sh [Music] sh sh [Music] no JM in the AM that's bar LaVine Miriam L wall and I sitting here speaking to our unbelievable friend Judy grman about so many things happening here in Israel why is she always in the know why does she always know everything that's happening in this country I'd like to good morning good morning to you it is amazing um and she was the first person of I'm not mistaken to alert us to the work of Ravin she was our shadan so to speak that's for sure and we are here today because of her and anybody in this audience of any length of time uh certainly the name Judy grman means a great deal we're talking about the uh the present of the state of Israel and the future of the state of Israel and with all the lot of crazy things going on I guess like in any country she knows everything and she knows everything but nonetheless the future looks bright thank God and there are some wonderful things happening here including uh what's happening at RAV which we're going to be speaking about all through our JMM broadcast so is this a little different than being on the plane in a makeshift Studio on an aircraft you know I knew that we were missing the hum of something I guess it's the engines oh well there were no screaming babies in our section of the plane correct there were there was all that Hawk that we were talking about just like now lot of lot of interesting talk going on right except I am part of this one I didn't want to on the plane we were like what's going on over there right we just assumed there was a lot of networking well you know how it is there yeah you called it networking you called it Hawk I called it Hawk um but Judy is in the know about absolutely everything yeah get her on a flight for 10 hours and you'll you'll see without mics exactly and you'll see what you can learn Judy we're just speaking about you and all the amazing you weren't here but all the amazing things you know about what's Happening Here In the Land of Israel we have a lot of people to thank uh we have a great staff here our chief engineer ZK is behind the uh board and behind the camera thank you ZK ZK whose birthday was yesterday yes I know but that birthday celebration has already come to we only hold one day Jamie turquel is here handling our social media Elon Katz is here handling our operations want to thank uh Yoni PA and of Ry somebody wake Yi a r of Ry finlin who is back in the United States working hard and we appreciate that I want to thank mayor crudder who sent us off to Israel by being at Kennedy Airport and taking some interesting photos of the uh proceedings there and we left in NE benfish I want to thank our friends at Travel cell who are keeping us connected to friends and family back home with the um and with all our listeners with the different pieces of equipment they've uh handed over to us for this this week that's travel cell.com and 718 382 6500 a big thank you to the Inbal Hotel again serving as our headquarters in Jerusalem thank you to the Inbal and a thank you to our friends at Travelers Joy who again were so instrumental in so many of the travel Arrangements that were made aside from the neish Bish flight and today Wednesday they're going to be featured in our Wednesday afternoon music mix which happens every Wednesday ironically enough and sorry ZK just wanted to remind all our listeners in this case our viewers that the video is up yeah see those photos you can see okay do you want to you don't want to put your mic on he claims that all the cruder photos that were taken are available on the website if you play yesterday show if you play yesterday's show as the show plays you will see a slideshow of his photographs sense does this make sense this was a little complicated okay uh in addition to that if you go to n.com right now uh you'll see that the uh video is um both of JM and the am's logos and the ravim logo uh they have a website RI aim.org you could visit there and see what we uh see some of the topics that we'll be discussing today and um you can go right now to Nom se.com and check out that video live between now and 9:00 a.m. in addition we have an amazing NSN app which gives you the opportunity to comment on anything that's happening here uh during our broadcast okay so we covered a lot of uh very uh important pieces of information here and everyone should utilize whatever method they can to tune in over the next two and a half hours so that you can learn more about ravim and all the activities that they've embarked on over all these years uh they continue to ensure responsible legal accountable and environmentally friendly use of Israel's National lands and the return of the rule of law to all areas and aspects of the land and its preservation might sound like a modest goal might sound like a very lofty goal uh either way it's an important goal and we'll find find out why throughout this program here at J and the I have a feeling that despite Rim's youth I mean it's it was established just 10 years ago correct out of this court case I think that despite its youth not only is it going to flourish out of necessity in the state um over the next number of years but people will be able to turn back to this program and say that's where I heard about RI ofm that's where I first heard about the organization we want everyone around the world to know about it and oh by the way do you know what regev means I discovered this this morning I was hoping it meant Roots no regev means a small piece of land okay then the logo I can't um I was working off the logo I was like all right new word for this trip I I guess Roots would be showes or shim right so RAV means a small piece I found two references that was very smarty pant you I say the least I I found two references in one reference it says a regev is a small piece of land in another reference it says ravim are are patches of soil so which is it is it a small piece of land or is it a patch a collective big patch of soil I don't know I'm still annoyed that it's not Roots um what does that note say nothing it's about me oh there you go you so RI aim's um the name makes sense obviously and uh its cause makes a tremendous amount of sense I I mentioned earlier and I just have to say it again and this is only one aspect of what they do and obviously we we'll spend plenty of time this morning talking about their different activities but it one of the things that uh we were made aware of is the illegal construction that's happening here in Israel funded by the European Union right literally funded by the European Union if there is one thing to take out of this show and I know that there going to be you know 1015 topics that we're going to discuss in different angles that we're going to be approaching today but if there's one thing I would love for every listener to take away from this show it is that very point that there are countries that there's a continent an an influential continent filled with people in governments that literally are spending their time their resources their energy on construction in in what is Israel and it's it's mindboggling to me that that's happening conceptually it's not something you even understand they're not private businesses right it's not like there's a you know a group of Chinese who are building a skyscraper govern sponsored it's government sponsored that's what's so unbelievable I don't know how a government buys land in another country and proceed the way they're proceeding but I guess we're going to that's part of what we're going to may be the wrong word because we've seen right correct very good in fact we've seen other countries come into the United States or I should say representatives of other countries saying governments I don't know is it colonialism well I don't know if it would be proper to say governments that's something we'd have to analyze or find out about but but there are people from foreign countries who do have tremendous business interest and real estate interest in the United States okay that we know but here I think the claim is that it's not that people are coming in and buying or buying legally they are either not buying and using people to settle the land so to speak in a an indirect or direct manner uh but in addition to that they are if they are buying it's it's purchasing it illegally right well we're going to find out find out more we're gonna find out more calm down Judy this is our introductory remk this is the segment of the show where Miriam and I conjecture about what on Earth we're doing here and then we get into and then for the next couple hours we're going to learn a tremendous amount will that's guaranteed all right so that's the uh that's we've laid the groundwork so to speak excuse the pun for the activ man for the activities of RI ofin and we will have more on it obviously as we continue throughout the morning we should get pictures of those Maps up on our website well I would love this map in in large form or if you could just go out and now of Kinkos and uh quickly right or if there's any way to take this map and uh and I don't know tweet it out Facebook that's my point I think we're going to give it it to Jamie and she's at least going there's a way to do that we got to do that because we need a reference because again exactly and and we're going to get it to Ay so he can load it in the back end because there's so again there's so much to talk about this morning I don't want everything to you know get lost in one big collection I'd like at least a point or two to really hit home for all the listeners so they can understand what's happening here and understand the importance of the work that's being done here and also when we are able to splice up all the different interviews that those in connection to the map I I imagine there's going to be a tremendous amount of um of sharing of this piece are we coming out really badly against the EU is that a problem for you I don't know okay I didn't get that memo we've painted them as the enemy already this morning I didn't use that word I know but it seems that way that's a five letter word well we'll go ahead and continue on this Mission and see what happens okay rim. org is the website R aim.org RG aim.org more coming up thanks for listening to JM in the AM [Music] show Li show [Music] all life [Music] show [Music] there show [Music] oh [Music] oh oh [Music] oh [Music] show [Music] show show there I show [Music] [Laughter] yes oh [Music] oh [Music] [Applause] [Music] oh sure away [Music] show show way life [Music] there h [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] la la la la la [Music] hallelu [Music] hallu hallelu hallelu [Music] hallelu [Music] Hall [Music] hall [Music] Hall hallelu Co h hallel hallelu [Music] [Applause] hallelu [Music] H call hallelu it it [Music] it I did it I I did it I it [Music] la [Music] JM in the AM it's a Wednesday we're in Israel during this amazing week in the holy land and we thank everybody out there for tuning in and being part of this great radio broadcast remind you you can watch all the proceedings here and you should watch now because in addition to our uh uh initial guest Josh haston who's going to join us in a moment uh sitting with us is one of the founders of ravim who I just told uh I just said to him it's an honor to meet a Jewish hero and we'll explain his role in a moment and so it's a good good opportunity to tune in Via video go to no.com website on the homepage you'll see exactly what's happening now through our video feed also the NSN app is up and running as you would suspect you have an opportunity to um comment on anything going on during this show by going to the NSN app putting your comment in which is easy to do on the home screen we see that during the program and you get an opportunity to have your voice heard in addition to that of course aamal Network Facebook update page has pictures of what's going on this week including our visit to riim headquarters this morning here at JM and the am so you can check that out on Facebook again it's knam SQL Network this is America's one and only Jewish moments in the morning radio program heard on listeners sponsored wfm star W mfu Mount Hope Rockland County at 91.9 in the FM D broadcasting live from the Sonia and Robert gold studios in Jersey City New Jersey around the world in the web j.org and of course on the NSN app we mentioned that Rick Ain was founded in 2006 the efforts of Yehuda El and Bal smotrich as a response to a Supreme Court case versus the illegal Outpost of harasha in the shomron and um yud ALU is sitting with us he's only a Hebrew speaker so we're limited in our ability to converse but if you're watching the video you see him sitting with us and taking part in this conversation as an observer Josh haston is the international director for ravim it's a position he's held for a little while and uh we get an opportunity to check in with him and find out the latest of their activities Josh welcome back to JM in the AM true pleasure it's great to have you here at regavim glad you're here in Israel I appreciate that and it's great to speak to you you've been a guest of ours before you've been involved in many great organizations a lot of fantastic efforts here in the state of Israel uh you've even had episodes that you've been involved with that have gotten International attention have really put the spotlight on some of the absurdities that that unfortunately sometimes occur here in Israel and you know what I mean uh today we get to disc us something that's uh important vital certainly uh something that's critical for the present and the future of Israel and in some ways we'll meet up with some of the absurd things happening in this country as well through that uh tell me about uh how would you explain to the novice who's not familiar with Rick aim's activities what Rick aim is all about it's really all about what you said in the mission statement from the organization it's about safeguarding State lands I mean we're here to protect the physical land uh in Israel whether it's the north whether it's the South whether it's Judea and Samaria regavim has a presence throughout the country and we want to make sure that people are abiding by the law this is a democratic country the only one here in the Middle East regardless of what you hear about turkey you know we can question that democracy but we're the only democracy in the Middle East and they laws you can't just go out and build wherever you want to build you have to follow the the rules and unfortunately Time After Time what we're seeing in regavim and I've only been here a short time but we're seeing illegal building being carried out by various uh bodies whether you're talking about the bedan and the negtive or whether you're talking about Arabs in the North or in Judea and Samaria as you mentioned earlier funding by Foreign entities such as the European Union that's probably the top fun and they're carrying out illegal activity on the land here on the in in the state of Israel which is completely illegal it's against international law it's against obviously our our laws for an entity to come in and do that and and pretend as if this is their Sovereign uh uh land here which it is not so so regavim is a Watch Dog organization more than that in addition to uh making sure that people aren't building illegally when they do build illegally regavim reports that building to the authorities and if the authorities don't take action regavim takes that next step and files lawsuits against those entities whether they're the European Union which a lawsuit was filed against them or others who think that they can just come in and build illegally in the land of Israel now in Your Capacity I would say you're dealing with two distinct groups groups who must be educated on these issues the first is the press and I would assume especially with your experience in the Press I would assume that most of the worldwide press are not that interested in what ravim is all about yeah no I would agree with you I mean the worldwide press and others if you're talking about uh the United Nations and other institutions they come in and they paint the picture of the big bat Israel who is uh going up against uh uh the the tiny puny bedin and the negative and why can't Israel just give these people what they want and we're entrenching upon their human rights uh the European Union of course does the same thing and but those aren't the facts and the media portrays it again as a battle of David and Goliath where Israel is the Goliath but if you take a step uh a little bit closer and you actually see the work that regavim is doing in the field and get a a a tour uh of the situation in the negtive of Judea and Samaria up near uh carel in the north and understand you'll be able to see the reality and the reality is you have so many violations in terms of building illegally or setting up gas stations without the proper permits or creating environmental hazards throughout the country all that is being uh is not being reported in the mainstream media and that's why regavim has to be there so those who think that this is only a problem in Judea and Samaria they have to realize as you just mentioned Carmel they have to realize that this is happening all over Israel all over the country I mean the negative if you go down and stand on there's a certain hill we take visitors to you got a a wide view a panoramic view of the northern netive just a little bit north of be cheva you will see all the illegal build uh building squat squatting taking place by the the BND down in the negative and there are solutions out there it's important to remember Israel is not leaving these people hanging the government has put together proposals there are proposals on the table there are recognized bedan Villages but for many reasons uh the ban down there choose not to not to take advantage of the situation not to put their houses on the grid why if I can Squat and nobody's going to do anything why would I pay for water why would I pay for electricity you have Tribal Warfare going on down there where one clan who's living let's say in a legal Town decides they're not going to let members of another tribe uh dwell in their town you have a city let's say of 30,000 or designed for 30,000 people but you have 12,000 people there and this tribe says we not going to let anyone else into this Village and then that tribe goes out goes out and starts squatting illegally on land so there are solutions out there we're trying to find Solutions this isn't an anti-government organization we're trying to work with the government and uh Institute those solutions for the people in in the negative and and also in judian Samaran and the north does the government know it's not an anti-government institution do they get the they are not paranoid in that way when they see ravim showing up they're not thinking uh oh here comes people who are against us no I I don't believe that they're par paranoid in any way I'm sure you have certain members of knesset who are not fans of the organization not fans of reg but we do have a presence in in the knesset and uh and I think that deep down even those who won't openly admit for political reasons that they're supporters of regavim they know the organization is doing perhaps what they should be doing themselves monitoring the situation throughout the country the legal building the second group of people in addition to the media that I would guess you're most interested in reaching are are the people who who want to support this cause I mean there are and not just our listeners but people around the world who are uh focused on doing their part to help build the land of Israel now this may not seem like a direct you know activity that helps build the land of Israel but you know from your experience that's exactly what it is no absolutely I mean you have different Wars going on here whether it's the war of Tanks whether it's the war of words hasbara if you want to call it that I like calling it public diplomacy but here you have a war over physical land and those people who want to get involved and actually fighting for as you mentioned before regavim means clumps of land if you want to get involved in fighting and and salvaging those clumps of land and you add a clump after another Clump after another one you're talking about thousands of of kilometers or miles in the US of land which are being uh fought over and that's what regavim is doing they are waging that battle against those uh in the European Union and the Palestinian Authority and other entities who are trying to take away they're trying to take away the land of Israel from the Jewish people by building illegally you mentioned Judea and Samaria from here where we are we're very close to I mean within 5 10 minutes from where we're sitting here in Shah binyamin we could be out into the field seeing European Union buildings and I mentioned before to Miriam you're talking about in the year 2012 alone 100 million euro invested in illegally seizing this is against the oso cords whether you're Pro or against the Oslo cords they are violating Oslo they are violating uh Israeli law and putting these structures if you can take a tour they are just popping up all over the landscape when when the Jews go home uh those who observe the the the building go home for Shabbat that's when they bring out the bulldozers into the fields and that's when they're doing their activity when nobody's looking you come back on a Sunday and the European Union has planted another similar gray structure they all look the same with the European Union flag on them they're making no they're not hiding anything they are out there uh taking credit for this illegal building saying it's for humanitarian reasons but we know this is a land seizure from here to the Dead Sea they're trying to take what is known as area which is under Israeli administrative and Military control they're trying to seize that land from here to the Dead Sea can trate and actually create a deao Palestinian State illegally forget about negotiations they don't want any of those whether you're for negotiations or against that's not the point they are trying to create facts on the ground from here to the Dead Sea a contiguous area from the north from rala down to B leem from this area where we are the Western uh north north of Jerusalem down to the Dead Sea to create a contiguous Palestinian State without even sitting at the table that's their goal Josh haston International director for Ravin one of the things that uh was so alarming to me and uh to those of us who were discussing this before the show was this whole EU development or at least for us it's a development uh because we have heard and many people even in the US have heard about EU participation and their backing and how politically they like seeing things go in this direction the one you're describing not not the one that your organization is favoring and so you know but so we thought it was limited but when we see the amount of activity and the Ravin map and how filled it is with uh with EU property or EU sponsored property this point it's really gotten completely out of hand it's a violation of Israeli sovereignty and the next time you play a song on the show literally we have between the time this show the the song starts and finishes I could take you out into the field in my car drive three minutes out and you could see those facts on the ground which they are creating illegally um it's that simple it's it's everywhere it's growing and that is why regavim is active if you meet our guys out in the field you know the office today is pretty empty if you've noticed why because the guys are out in the field monitoring the situation on the ground evaluating it taking the pictures we have uh you know drones and other types of technology to actually see what's going on get aerial footage aerial shots and and you could see it firsthand for yourself and they are not we were talking about with Judy Grossman before they are not hiding about it they're not bashful about it they put proudly a flag on it and bring in heavy equipment to try to create these facts on the ground that's why regavim is here regavim has to be that Watchdog um in order to combat the illegal building wherever it takes place throughout the country uh Yehuda alaho is sitting next to you and he's a Hebrew speaker so it's a challenge for us to speak to him directly he's one of the founders I'm sure you've had a chance to speak with him in Hebrew uh could you tell us something about the founding of the organization that we'd find interesting from 10 years ago well I I would just say that you know if you take a look at yehud elah who was sitting here in addition to batal smotrich he now moved on to to the nesset and hopefully he'll be a guest on the show a little bit later today Balo that is and um and you can just see that the the the influence you know people can't just get up one day and join the knesset I mean you have to proen yourself uh at least you know in most of the cases unless there's a rare exception but but but just to give you an idea of how vital the organization is the influence the organization has had you have one of the two heads serving as a member of knesset Yuda is not a man of many words as you see for him from him being here today but it could I bet you it could have been either one of them I haven't had this conversation with him who got to decide I'll run for knesset you run the organization I don't know I don't know that much yet uh in terms of the the personal history and and how that all went down but I'm I'm sure it could have been Yehuda not to take away from batala but I'm saying the influence that the organization and its leaders had on on policy and on changing those those illegal facts on the ground has been tremendous it's only been 10 years as you mentioned and hopefully it'll be many many more years unfortunately that's the case because as as we said the European Union and others continue this illegal activity to harm the state of is this is not a humanitarian disaster uh in any by any stretch of the IM imagination you're trying to harm the state of Israel and sees land we're here to prevent that all right Josh haston and he's invited obviously to join us at any point during this program he is international director for RI aim we should mention uh that those who want to support or get more information the website's a good resource for both I assume right people can donate and can absolutely r.org right RI aim.org and get more information that way and you do I assume plan on traveling to the United States at some point right to meet with people and to just conduct some type of informational session so that people can find out more about the organization absolutely I don't have tickets yet but uh one of these days I will uh probably here in the near future I I will be traveling and uh trying to get people uh on board with the mission and educating them about these these realities that we understand here on the ground right and you're you and and we together are learning just how important it is for the future of Israel to include people from outside of Israel we want Partners we want Partners on this Mission it's the only way it's going to happen all right more coming up thank you Josh we'll speak later on uh he is the international director for ravim Josh haston has been involved in amazing activities on behalf of Israel for many many years now with the rig ofm you can go to the website rm.org for information more guests coming up and more of a focus on what this organization does here in the state of Israel if you keep it here at JM in the [Music] AM [Music] to well K best R is to [Music] is to is to is K [Music] you ye [Music] for isum be as us he thr to to isra K [Music] be is co [Music] is [Music] is be is [Music] to as [Music] rock the god [Music] she [Music] strong [Music] JM and the am that is music from Yehuda we are at the RGA Vim headquarters in sh binyamin Israel in the southern area of the shamron and we are speaking about an organization uh that is becoming more and more wellknown and that is ravim go to RI aim.org for information RI aim.org r gav v i am Sarah haet Cohen is director of Israel shal a moscit Prize recipient and is with us live via telephone here on a Wednesday morning broadcast SAR welcome to JM and the am hi hello how are you a pleasure to speak to you could you explain to our audience what is Israel Shel yes Isel if you translate it is my Israel and my Israel is the largest national Zionist movement in isra Isel operating um both in the field and online and our goal is to reinforce the Zionist values in Israel and around the world um we promote pro-israel actions uh online mainly online and regarding H but not only H because has try to explain yourself and we don't want to explain ourselves because we don't think we did something wrong uh so we're fighting BDS we're fighting the delegitimation uh movement around the world and also the um the global media that is not really fair and in very um how do you say good right um they're not very fair this is mainly what we do we have one 100,50 um life on Facebook we have a Twitter account and we have a very large mailing list of mainly Israelis that want to be active but they can't they don't have the time to go and demonstrate outside so they do it through the internet how are we doing in the fight against BDS how do we know if we are winning the battle against BDS well it's a long fight uh it's a long fight it's not something you you win you know you win one leave a fight hour after another and you do it by giving a fight to the BDF next I mean the the Israel public was not aware of the uh most of the isra public was not aware of the BDS movement up until the last year um plus minus and what we're doing is we're telling the Israel public list nobody will do the hard work for you um if you want do it for yourself I mean if you want to if you want to save your house if you want to save your home uh and avoid the the um buycott and everything and sanctions so you need to fight for your own uh good you can do it from here you can do it from your sofa you can do it from your from your workplace from everywhere because we're giving you the tool how to do it I never I never really thought of that that we we in the United States are much more familiar with BDS than Israelis are it's it's it's an obvious point but what I never really thought of frankly right listen I used to work with the Americans and with South Africans and Australians and South Americans and with different Jewish communities around around the world and Israelis usually think that BDS is not their fight I mean they're saying okay so hiler will will fight for it for it and um you know it's not our problem because it's it's we can't see it we can't feel it um it's not harming us physically but what we need what we explain is is that it harms them very very much not only economically hardly economically but on people's minds yeah and they need to fight for Israel nobody will do it for for them had yeah Sarah hat nikone is with us director of isra el shal M's Prize recipient just moving on for a moment to the to the media in general not just the BDS movement uh is there a way to evaluate the general feeling in the international media about Israel is there way to know if we're winning that battle at all or if it's just one continuous battle with plenty of enemies in the media constantly uh coming up in different locations we we're not winning this fight because we're not fighting ER if we will fight and if we will recruit all the Israeli public and the Jewish communities around the world to fight the bias of the global media after Terror attacks or I don't know in regards of Jerusalem or everything so so we can win but we are not fighting and what we started to do in the last intifa or you name it Terror attacks right um we are asking for our members to email um editors and different uh people you know in the media industry um fighting for the truth if CNN doesn't want to call the murderer a murder uh or a terror attack or they're trying to be you know more Pro Palestinian than Pro Israeli so we need to show them that uh well this is not fair and it's not a fair fight it's it's not how you do media it's not how you do Communications and we're not going to be silence tell me about RI aim why this is such an important organization when it comes to the present and the future of the state of Israel re is doing a very unique work that nobody is doing it in the uh spectrum of uh National Organization um what they're doing is they're not sitting behind the computer but they're going out and they're following um all the uh anti-israel activity in in Judea and Samaria in the Galilee in the ne all around Israel and they give us the picture the picture what what's happening in in the mountains you know in the desert not in the virtual world right and what it's it's a very important work um they're doing all the research they have numbers they have statistics they have everything and what we can do with these information and this uh picture they give us um is think how we're taking it one stage up how we let the public know about these horrible facts and uh how we can cooperate so their uh activities on the ground providing the information is probably their most vital asset their most the most vital activity that they participate in right right they have information information is very important these days they have photos and you can you know you can you can win a battle or lose a battle with one photo um and they give us they give Israel the chance to to fight for itself um with information and with Statistics which is very very important uh congratulations to you on the masit prize mazal and I thank you very much for thank you very much joining us today continue your amazing work with Israel shal Tara thank you Lis that's Sarah hatne Cohen director of Israel shal moscit Prize recipient and obviously the person who now owns the quote of the day so far for us here at JM in the AM and that is you could win a battle or lose a battle with one photograph and I'm sure the people rickin would agree with that depending on what that photograph is showing uh Jeff Dobby is with us he is um director of the Israel office of zo8 uh daby would be that would be I I don't know why I kept getting it wrong I apologize Jeff daby is with us he's director of the Israel office of zoa the Zionist organization of America boy you must be taking great interest in what's happening around the world today that's for sure uh in fact nak it's uh too interesting too interesting is Right Lots going on in the US that you're very interested in plenty going on in Israel that you're very interested in and one of the things I'm sure you're interested in is who will in fact be in the position of world leadership uh in the next few months and uh what type of what type of people what type of uh of affiliations will they have and will they be friendly or not to Israel and there's there's so many question marks out there uh we see what's been happening in Europe we see what's been happening in the Middle East we don't know who Israel's friends will be in the near future well you know uh representing zoa I'm not permitted uh to take a partisan position but I will tell you this much nakum uh that uh we are certainly going to make a good case for the policies if not the individual at least the policies of the candidate who is the most pro- Israel right and that's something you've been doing for a long time yes yes uh we're in the business of educating the public about Israel and about the US Israel relationship so therefore um if I were to ask you about the pro-israel or otherwise stance of the current president of the United States for instance you would be able to examine his policy and what he has and has not endorsed over the last8 years uh correct and we have done what I think I may be biased uh but I think that we've done a very very good job of drilling down and parsing or deconstructing unpacking whatever expression you want to use uh those policies and have shown the current administration's policies to be uh let's say there's a lot that is left to be desired uh in terms of the relationship not only the personal relationship but there were actual problems with the policies themselves uh trying to pressure Israel uh making uh Israel take certain steps that the Israeli public does not want the Israeli government to take uh so that the current uh leadership here in Israel is caught in a very very difficult B that is not supposed to be the role of a friend of Israel uh many people like to point out that while all this is going on as you just described it or whether again to some people it's perception to others it's reality but while all this is going on uh there's still an amazing relationship between Congress collectively and the state of Israel or at least the the there's a congruence to their interest that it seems that both uh Congressional interest and Israel's interest are are parallel um so we have that to hang our hat on so to speak those who are concerned about Israel um but what would you say in terms of this atmosphere um being similar to the way it's been the last 20 30 years in other words uh the way you just described it it would seem that this Administration has been drastically different than previous ones is that a fair assessment uh you know I think uh drastic is a relative term I think that it has been considerably different we have not seen a relationship like this a negative relationship like this since the Carter Administration this is in fact in reality worse than uh the relationship that existed during the C Administration we have had rough spots with other administrations after we bombed the nuclear reactor in OC Rock in uh Iraq uh re that's right the Reagan administration had a little difficulty with that they got over it very very quickly in fact in fact immediately after they got over it our relationship with that Administration was better than it had been previous to the bombing right uh so uh we've had little bumps in the road but this isn't a bump in the road this is a major pothole um one would then figure that uh if um and I got to be careful how always say this if certain members of the administration knew about RI aim's activities here they probably would not be supportive of it you know I I don't know whether you can be unsupportive of facts and that's what regavim brings to the table they bring facts to the table that you heard from your uh previous interviewee uh that they bring pictures they bring uh actual facts on on the ground uh zoa here in Israel works very very closely with rig aim uh one of the reasons why we do work so closely and if you know zoa if you know zoa's history if you know my boss's history Mort Klein's history uh we base our case on the facts and on actual events on actual statistics and this is what I personally love about regavim uh that they are not about ideology uh they're about facts they're about visuals they're about photographs they're about bringing people down to the netive and showing them 800,000 dunam of uh land that has been unilaterally and illegally taken over by the bwin there and uh we have collaborated on conferences at the ban Center we have collaborated on trips down to uh the netive to show people the reality down there and we have collaborated on trips to the E1 to show them how the EU uh is uh inserting uh their buildings into our state land unilaterally without consulting with the Civil administration at least the United States nakum when they put a facility down uh in uh area SE they ask the Israeli civil Administration first the EU does not do that interesting uh Jeff daby is here he is director of Zo Israel and we're discussing ravim and we're going to get to the bottom of the hour in a moment but I want to take a minute and and uh uh and and ask you uh you're associated with the legal grounds campaign now is that what the is that what it sounds like legal legal I said with the legal grounds campaign legal grounds campaign is that what it sounds like that the that the attempt to get into court and to legally determine which ground is in fact Israeli owned well one of the things that uh Sarah NE did not mention was the fact that regavim not only do they do fantastic work in the field but they also take this information and they file court cases with the Supreme Court here with the bugat here and uh they make it happen in the courts as well as on the ground uh what we do what legal grounds does is we with the help of regavim including the help of regavim in the form of providing us with lecturers for a law clinic that we ran for Israeli law students here uh What uh we do is we take uh the conclusions of the levy report it's Loosely based on the conclusions of the levy report which is that we are not an occupier we have the right to live and to build in Judea and Samaria and we are not in violation of article 49 section 6 of the 4th Geneva Convention we take that and we try to get our leadership here to speak out about our legal rights based on international law why do we do that because when I go over to Congress twice a year uh they say that we will be very very happy to take up the case uh with the state department and provide funding for judia and Samaria for the Jewish communities there but you have got to get your leadership to speak out vocally about uh your rights and that's what legal grounds is all about getting our members of knesset to speak up about our rights can we hold you here for a minute or two sure uh we'll go to Rob goldwaser and then Jeff will continue with us he's director of zoa Israel and we are discussing the legal grounds uh um effort uh here in the uh state of Israel this time each and every Monday through Thursday Rabbi DAV goldwash joins us um and eser B here is rabid goldwaser with morning good morning the explains that when a person's AB accepts with love all that happens it signifies that he recognizes the goodness of AEM similarly a person may have understood that an individual might have done wrong whatever has happened will Ser as the kapara or an atonement or at least the person understands that if life is too good it's also possible for him to sin therefore we learn has a person should throw their burden upon hem and rely that Hashem will do whatever is good in his eyes a woman had been lighting candles for a number of years suddenly she found that every week after she lit the candles one of them would consistently go out although she could conceive the possibility that a few or all of the Flames would blow out the airiness of only one candle not remaining lit bothered her very much she believed it suggested a personal shortcoming that needed to be rectified after a lot of soul searching the woman resolved to work on the mid of C anger she determined that the reason the candle was blowing out was because she needed to extinguish the fire of her own anger she realized that she would often lose her temper with her children with her spouse and under pressure her shom bias was sometimes threatened the following week she made every effort to control her anger when she lit candles that Friday afternoon she noticed the candle begin to Flicker and its light slowly weaken turning her eyes heavenward she cried my Father in Heaven I know you are trying to teach me something with this candle if it is true that you want me to conquer my anger please let this candle continue burning I know that I continue to get angry but I'm diligently working to Prevail over this Mida I know I don't deserve to have an open Miracle but your Revelation would warn warm my heart she looked once again at the candles that remained burning and then went to tend to her children when she returned to her candles approximately 15 minutes later all the candles including the one whose flame had died were now shining more brightly than ever one who believes that Hashem is his father can certainly call upon him at all times this has been Rob David goldwaser bringing you morning kizik have a nice day JM in the am as we continue from the riim headquarters in Israel and Jeff daby is with us he's director of zoa Israel we're discussing rig aim and its activities here in the state of Israel uh I asked you off the air if there's a way to describe to people who've never heard of the organization what ravim is all about what would you say you know this is the way I always describe regavim regavim is comparable to to uh what I call The Little Engine That Could uh I do not know I'm dating myself here I do not know how many of your listeners remember that book that children's book The Little Engine That Could I used to make my parents read that to me over and over again at nauseum why do I call it The Little Engine That Could because it is just that uh with a minimum staff it has done Yan's work it casts such long Shadow uh those uh organizations that are let's say on the other side of the political divide uh the fat cats as I refer to them they get enormous EU funding uh they get enormous Foundation funding uh they get funding from foreign governments uh they have staffs enormous staffs uh they uh are doing less than regavim uh with its uh few field researchers with its uh few attorneys uh fighting the good fight uh so they are really uh The Little Engine That Could for the land and the people of Israel information by the way on the website R aim.org you can go to ravim R aim.org well you're somebody that uh can relate to the average listener we have because the majority of them of course are in North America um what would you say about supporting a cause like this from so many thousands of miles away you know I think that I I uh also try to identify I try to look for the organizations that are lean and mean and getting the job done what I would say to uh our friends in North America is if you want to support an organization where you get the biggest bang for your buck this is it this is it this is the organization and they have an opportunity to support an organization that's actively fighting for the the future of the state of Israel on a regular basis on the ground on the ground you know what we say here Tas it's also what you say in North America regavim is all about Tas you know you and your in your position with zoa are probably used to this already but um if if the uh if the organization like yours like R Etc are under attack the way they are they must be doing something right would did you say so that's it that's it uh if you're getting criticized uh that's what I always say uh then you must be doing something right exactly and you greatly appreciated what was said earlier in terms of real facts on the ground being proven and being brought into court and that's why photographs and The Observers and the uh the different people that are traveling around the land and really it's the entire state of Israel you know for those again who think it's just Judea and Samaria we're talking about the entire state of Israel uh who are observing all this and giving eyewitness account to what's happening that is the most important part of this battle you know I I always say that when I go down to Congress when I go to the knesset the knesset since making Aliah 9 years ago has become my second home it used to be Congress uh but when I go over there which is a friendlier home uh you know we could spend the next two hours talking about the differences or the similarities between Congress and the knesset very very often uh let's put it this way when I come back from uh either I feel as if I have to jump into the figurative Mikvah uh but uh in any case they are eyes and ears just like let's say another organization Palestinian media watches my eyes and ears reg ofm is not only my eyes and ear ears but they are also my feet on the ground so that when I go in there into the knesset into Congress to try and make the case I I can't do it without them uh Jeff continued success with all your work uh people can go to the website of rim. org for the um uh for the activities here with ravim and for you of course z.org is a good resource a lot of people in this audience are big fans of what you do I'm sure you know that thank thank you so much thank you for everything you do now I appreciate that Jeff daby who is the director of the Israel office for design this organization of America and has plenty to say about the activities of ravim and its accomplishments here in Israel we're going to Obi go to a song go to a song all go to a song and then the plenty more coming up here at JM and the am I remind you we are in Israel with a week of broadcast that continue actually tonight with our visit to um bate Mayer and NCS y's ncsy Co that you'll hear tomorrow morning between 6:00 and 9: and then we will be uh together on Thursday night at Yen csy which is of course a very very big event for the summer programs in Israel we got the opportunity to be together at both of those and air them uh on the uh program on JM and the am both Thursday morning and Friday morning uh between 6:00 and 9:00 a.m. here's Yehuda green more coming up keep it here as we broadcast ravim headquarters and Sh binyamin here in Israel at JM in the AM [Music] la [Music] la la la la la la [Music] la be JM in the am and we are live in Israel over the years oh my gosh at this point it's over the decades we've had an opportunity to really bring some amazing causes to your attention through this medium today we're at the rig aim headquarters in sh binyamin in the southern part of the shamron and you have an opportunity to check out more about RAV at rm.org reeg aim.org uh AI Heyman is with us he is the ri ofm PR consultant he is um he every time we're we're briefed on a guest who's going to be joining us we we're told about what topics they can address here here's an interesting one which um fascinated me when I saw it why RI aim got involved in the vote in England regarding the brexit campaign and I'm fascinated by that question and now we'll get the answer AI welcome to J in the am thank you very much for having me nak it's a pleasure to be on I appreciate that pleasure to speak with you let's start with that why would anybody in Israel or maybe I would say anybody who's concerned about Israel around the world uh be a fan of the brexit campaign for Great Britain to actually leave the European Union so in the Jewish world and in Israel in particular it's very easy to pretend that we live in a vacuum but my job as a PR consultant to Reg up him and others is to show to to connect Israel and our story to whatever else is going on in the world now with the European Union it's not that difficult when it comes to the European in regavim we have a very very close relationship in the sense the regavim is in court with the EU very very regularly they know their lawyers very well huh we know EXA we don't need them to call their lawyers cuz we have their number and uh yeah I mean I I'll just go back a quite probably a couple of years now when I got a call from uh from Ari Briggs from regavim who said to me AI have something that might interest you and that's constantly happening I tell regavim if you got anything that might be interested in give me a call and we'll see what we can do on the Press he says yeah we found um the eu's been building for a while we know that we know that but there's been no signs well they decided to now put up EU flags on their buildings not only stickers but also actual Flags so we took that to the British media to the right-wing British media the British media that says we've had enough of our taxpayers money being wasted all over the world we pay taxes for for Britain to make Britain better Britain isn't doing very well we want to see where our taxpayers money is going we took it to those people and we had a field day quite literally so then when brexit came along I mean it jumped off the page and said Ravin please get involved it wasn't that we chose to get involved we had to get involved because the most recent situation that we had with the European Union was that when regavim took them to court and as if they were coming out of some kind of 1980s um comedy film comedy movie they turned around and said we plead diplomatic immunity the European union says diplomatic Community to coming into territory that is 100% Israeli according to international law Building without asking with total impunity putting up their flags that for me as an someone who grew up in England and is Israeli by choice that stinks of British colonialism and if there's one thing you don't want to call an Englishman or a European it's a colonialist they thought that they'd got over that but suddenly we walk or or or drive all around Judean and Samaria even in Jerusalem a Stones throw away from the Hebrew University you see European flags and European colonies that's not okay so having Great Britain leave or decide to leave the EU is important because we don't want them part of the entity that is that is uh embarking on this colonialism Israel is that how you'd put it exactly from a from a Jewish or Israeli perspective the math is very simple the Britain is the fifth largest economy in the world Britain was is one of the largest economies in Europe without their budget without them giving the hundreds and hundreds of millions um to the European Union the European Union has a smaller budget they have a smaller budget they have less money to get involved to the to to the detriment of the Jewish State um so we said that as a campaign from the beginning we said if you don't want your money going to an illegal building if you don't want your money going directly to terrorists and that has been proven not by myself but by the Daily Mail and other newspapers they proved that money was going directly for example to the fogal killers from the British taxpayer um if you don't want your money going to these NOS hundreds of NOS that are working against Israel pull your money out of the EU the EU will pull their money out of Israel and we're all be better off now I I said that regim said that originally since then um a number of professors have come out and said the same thing and in fact the Ambassador the British ambassador to Israel said his in his first interview to the Jerusalem Post don't worry people after brexit our relationship the relationship between Britain and Israel is only going to become closer why because we don't have the other European oh did I say anti-Semitism we don't have the other the pressure of the other EU countries exactly so so brexit the vote happens exit wins right that they are going to leave the EU so you and the people that we govern him we're quite happy we're extremely happy and we're extremely happy to be able to say you know in Britain it's not like um America America a lot of people when they go to uh the polling station they think what would be good for Israel that's very nice of them in England that doesn't really happen so much on the same level but we we wanted to go to our people by the way not only in England and this is what really got to them we went to people in Israel because if you were living if you've been living in Israel for the last 15 years as a British citizen you could still vote from here so a lot of people registered and voted from here um and hopefully it sent a clear message to the European Union because we felt they were in a situation where we kept taking them to court as regavim regavim kept taking them to court and they kept getting out or trying to get out in one way or another so we took it to their home field the now the most practical question of course of course and that is now that this has happened right and Great Britain is in the position it's in and will now enjoy more independence from from its colleagues in the EU in regard to what they're doing in Israel uh are things going to change will this be a real game Cher in terms of EU activity in the state of Israel so there's there's two points here the first point is obviously I'm a PR consultant my job was to take the message of regavim the story of regim to the media we managed to do that because because of the brexit campaign and we would have done that if it would have gone one way or the other right um time will tell there's 2 years now until Britain actually will leave the EU and in that two years many things could happen one thing that could happen is the EU could or or those elements within the quote unquote Aid organizations because they claim what they're doing here is Aid um they could strengthen they could become a lot stronger and start building like crazy knowing that in two years they're going to have a smaller budget or things could could be fairly similar which isn't good for us we've got thousands of illegal European buildings across dud Samaria this is a strategic campaign by the European Union to put facts on the ground and to ensure that Israelis cannot build where they should be able to build for example E1 just outside of Mal adumim there are plans to build there but there is EU colonies there if they're not moved then then we'll have a problem I I think we'll see much of the same from the European Union as far as of him concerned this campaign isn't over this campaign isn't over until every European Union illegal building is removed um and as natany stated himself to the international meia not too long ago we're in a catch 22 they build buildings it looks bad for us because we're allowing them to build these illegal buildings we demolish the buildings we look bad because we're demolishing their buildings as long as there's EU flags up in Israel um illegally re govern will continue with this campaign Avi Heyman is with us we got M PR consultant um what's what's the bigger battle is it that uh that the that the people on the other side have just as good I don't want to say better God forbid especially present company but just as good a PR machine as uh as the uh machine might be on this side of the issue or is it that or is it that because of the multiple battles that riim has to fight it's not just fighting the EU it's also in a way fighting a lot of Representatives of the government of Israel right I mean there there are plenty of people that need to be convinced in the knesset that what ravim is uh is endorsing or what they're claiming is in fact correct is that an even bigger problem than the fact that the other side might have a good PR machine so first I'll address the other side's alleged PR machine um what I'll say firstly is that it's not that it's not AI Heyman against another PR professional it's regavim one organization against more than 50 organizations that are doing the same thing against Israel so one organization out of many many countries out of many countries with government budgets some of the budgets of these organizations at 85% or more from the European Union or other governments un Etc it's it's a huge problem it's a not a huge problem for RAV it's a huge problem for Israel and the Jewish people so yeah it's it's it's multifaceted we're not just dealing with Jude and Samar as you said before we're dealing with the north the South the center of Israel um reg even has campaigns a lot of people don't realize we've had campaigns in places like ranana in Central Israel why because the law needs to be upheld wherever and whenever so you can't have a situation where people just trample all over the law as they do in the neev as they do in north and as they do on a to a small extent in the center of Israel and to a huge extent all across Judea and Samaria so the the struggle is everywhere for for regavim if it's in the Supreme Court if it's in the local Court um if it's in the knesset um people need to be educated they need to understand that the land of Israel is slipping through our fingers quite literally and the magnitude of the organization with field workers in every one of those geographies constantly is what makes regavim unique and the challenge is like I said is that we have 50 other organizations against us but what about the frustration of having members of the Israeli government who are unsympathetic to the cause I mean you only need to go to uh aul kidish to understand that different Jews have different opinions right so I mean that is one of the strengths of our democracy one of the other strengths is that we currently have a government which is um you know more more Pro the regavim way of thinking as far as having the rule of law upheld in Jude Jude and Samaria and the rest of the country um a government that understands the challenges of of organizations like the European Union who are a little bit too involved in our issues and are now starting to be you know their influence is starting to be folded back a little bit and pushed back um I mean even more than that the founder of regavim now occasionally wears a suit and is sitting in the knesset so balot smrc in knesset is a huge asset to regavim what people don't understand is that he's not in the knesset you know because he ran for knesset per se he's in knesset because he was so useful to so many of the members of knesset with the research from regavim that they were using his information to to make laws all the time that they said to him we need you in the keset so that's that's the C sort of drafted huh exactly that's the caliber of people in this organization you don't hear from them they're working under you know under this you know behind the scenes every single day and uh it's an incredible thing to see what what people don't realize is that you know while you're coming over and celebrating uh PES in a nice hotel in Jerusalem or maybe even back in America on the ground you know the European Union and others understand that the uh the Israel inspectors won't be there because it's PES or because it's sukot and they're building and building and building and unless regavim or an organization like regavim although there is only one organization regavim um is there this will just continue and and uh if timing is everything they know all the timing they know that uh those that during those weeks they can continue to progress I guess on Shabbat it gives them an opportunity as well to do so right Friday Shabbat Kim they know the Jewish calendar better than we do and they're out building uh Avi Hyman is a RI of MPR consultant our goal is to try to get more and more people outside of Israel to learn about RI of im's activities and uh hopefully this will help I hope that people understand the cause and feel the need and the desire to assist in building the land of Israel this really is building Israel it may not be direct or may not seem direct but people have to understand that the role that they're playing when they support a cause like this is really building the land of Israel thank you so much thank you very much for having AI Heyman rig of NPR consultant here you're listening to America's one and only Jewish moments in the morning radio program heard on listener sponsored WFMU e star wfu Mount Hope Rockland County at 91.9 on the FM dial broadcasting live in the Sonia and Robert gold studios in Jersey City New Jersey around the world in the web j.org and of course on the NSN app a reminder coming up later today the Z Report with yessi zwag that happens at 11:00 a.m. eastern time on our stream big thank you to our friends at Travelers Choice Who present our Wednesday afternoon incredible music mix on our stream at jam. org that's much appreciated want to thank our entire staff including ZK who's here and Stan who's back in the studio in Jersey City City New Jersey doing the engineering want to thank Jamie turkel on social media want to thank of Romy finlin and Yoni Pollock back in the US and I want to thank Elon Katz who is here as our Israeli assistant the person who's on the ground for us all the time in uh in the state of Israel uh Aon Pulver is with us live via telephone he is director of Israel Independence fund uh the fund partners with ravim to assist financially so that riin can accomplish its goals Aon pver welcome to JM and the am are you there Aron on second oh there we go I apologize I apologize Aon are you there yes I'm here shalom shalom thank you very much for joining us my pleasure thank you n thank for having me on the air could you explain to our audience what is the Israel Independence fund yes I'd be happy to thank you the Israel Independence fund is a small philanthropic organization that was founded in the Year 2007 which over the years has played a unique role in helping Israel to realize its continued Vision as a strong secure and uniquely Jewish state by uh vo voting philanthropy to creative non-political NOS in Israel that provide a philanthropic focus on strengthening Israel's very core if you will we are the antithesis of the new Israel fund and exactly the opposite in everything we do and everything we strive to do we employ on the ground resources here in Israel to identify NGS that actually create positive change that strengthen the state the Zionist movement the Jewish people we've over the years proved the unique ability to identify and incubate small NOS that can't afford their own fundraising efforts and in fact I'm PR to say that the Israel Independence fund has been a funer and a supporter of Ravine for ever since its uh Inception and uh over the years we have happily transferred to rabine srop funds from the United States in order to strengthen their wonderful efforts before Israel before we talk about the funds um support financial support for ravim could you give us a couple of other examples it is such a nice goal to support those that are looking for a strong secure and uniquely Jewish Israel what would be another organization or two or another effort or two that the fund supports in that vein well i' I'd urge your listeners if they have a free moment to go to our website fund israel. org and take a look at the plethora organizations who do support but just to give you a a general idea of some of the more interesting on we support a uh volunteer organization judan Samaria that guard uh homesteads and Farms throughout jnara in order to prevent Arab Marauders from stealing herds and flocks uh causing almost immediate uh bankruptcy on the part of Jewish farmers and homesteaders in the in judan Samaria we support uh uh a uh very interesting organization that promotes the small village of kein in the Galilee many of your listeners may know that gim is historically the only Village in ER Israel which has had a continuous Jewish presence in it uh for over 3,000 years a proven continuous uh settlement in in that Village and uh many of your listeners Also may know that the village of Kim as a sign of honor to the fact that it has been continuously inhabited and the Jews of ke have never been exiled from the land of Israel ke appears on the 100 sheckel note support programs there to bring IDF soldes toim in order to give them a backdrop that the state of Israel is really not a creation that uh came out of the dreams of Jews once mousin was liberated in 1945 but rather the state of Israel and we as the indigenous Aboriginal people of this country are here because we've been here for over 3,500 years and and Jewish families in were proof of that uh boy we could we could that we fund we could do an entire show we could do an entire show on the Israel Independence fund frankly I I'd be happy to do it I'll just give you one other organization briefly that may shock your listeners but recently we've begun uh to support an organization called the true Voice in Arabic Al aliki which is an organization of patriotic Israeli Arab Muslims who are raising their voice against the Arab politicians who sit in the canet today wow and their political position is absolutely clear and very simple they are grateful for having been born in a Jewish State they are cognizant of the fact that if they were born 45 kilometers to the east or 45 kilometers North they'd be living in a literal hell and they are the first ones to say if you don't love this country and if you're not willing to serve this country as it is with its an with its symbol with its flag with its Jewish identity then you should leave and that's called the true voice that's called the true voice very interesting to support them Aon Pulver is with us director of the Israel Independence fund okay tell us now about the funding and being funding partners with ravim why it's so important that they get the financial support they need well I first met uh Eli UDA eliahu and Ari Briggs and best smich when they created rig ofine and I was immediately impressed not only on their on their on their message and on their intent and on the direction of the organization and what they wanted to create but on their own personal capabilities to dedicate themselves to an unbelievable project that would have tremendous impact on the state of Israel their Zionist agenda is to put it simply managing Israel's land resources for the Jewish people Israel is clearly a small country approximately the size of New Jersey one of the most crowded countries and densely populated countries in the world having said that it's also a country as you have reviewed in your show thus far that suffers not only from seditious illegal building and land grab attempts right that are being made by organizations like like the European Union but also suffers from lack of following the letter of the law in terms of new building in areas of the northern G Northern uh NE gilee what reim has done by photographing documenting mapping illegal construction throughout the length and bread of the land of Israel is quite amazing by contacting authorities responsible for land usage and land enforcements by demanding that they take all necessary legal measures to immediately hold and demolish what has become an epidemic of illegal Construction in the land of Israel they are absolutely affecting Land Management for future generations of jewes amazing great work that they're doing and it's it's fascinating to me that something like the Israel Independence fund exists as you said in answer to some of the other funds that we've heard out there uh but that one that people can contribute to and that you responsibly go ahead and give out those funds to uh you know forward the funds to worthy organizations uh information I assume they can go to fund israel.org correct that's correct now fund israel.org they are one of the supporters of ravim I thank Aon pver toara thanks so much for joining us and for being involved in so many great causes more coming up you're listening to JM and the am we're live in Israel we're at ravim headquarters the website is R aim.org again that's R aim.org you can check it out online our live broadcast continues until 9:00 a.m. eastern time with more special guests coming up at JM and the [Music] [Applause] [Music] am. [Music] la [Music] I [Music] de [Applause] la [Music] la [Music] [Applause] I [Music] all right CH let's go whereever you are [Music] JM and the am what are we doing in the bamin region of of Israel is the question the answer is we're visiting our friends at ravim and finding out about their activities an incredible effort many of it legal effort legal battles that are being fought uh to ensure that um that individuals and organizations and governments uh don't come in and illegally take over or encourage others to take over land here in Israel and every one of these little battles is a battle nothing actually is little and they're doing quite a job at riim information at the website RI aim.org r g aim.org and people like Josh haston has been with us before and Ari Briggs who's been with us before uh before today uh are very involved with the organization and today we've met a nice roster of people who continue to work with and to praise the efforts of ravim Ellie um Ellie um pep is with us he's director of international Affairs for the S Council he's been with us before and we've had an opportunity to speak with him on a variety of topics he is um somebody who is working with Donnie Diane as he takes over as Council General in New York which happens in the next few weeks August 1st August 1 and Ellie we say uh uh we say uh good morning to you here at JM in the a good morning and a pleasure to be with you again it's funny you said to me a minute ago it struck me you said to me that uh with yesha um you're working on and looking forward to the Jubilee the yovel the 50th year of really what has been you know for the last 49 years one of the most historical and important episodes in Jewish history and that's of course a Jewish presence in judee and Samaran I'm saying to myself wow every time I hear 50 coming up like everybody else around the world all we think about is Yim that's all we could it took us decades to establish a yone that you know that that that that City also deserves on the 29th of er to be recognized and now as you just said hey let's celebrate all of Judea and Samaria because it is going going to be coming up in May of next year on 50 years for that great celebration exactly it's udav shamron it's the Goan Heights all of this area has been was really rejuvenated in June of 1967 and uh I think it's I think it's an appropriate time for us to really try to connect uh with uh Jewish communities around the world um and I'm not sure if our arguments um in the International Community are going to be any more solid or any more accepted uh next year but I do think that uh this 50th year this this uh y shat yel is something that we can connect with and people will look look at and what what is it all about what is yav Shon all about I'm thinking it's going to be just the opposite as we continue to celebrate and increase the celebration it will likely increase the the animosity on the other side well we will have that um the other side is way it seems to work huh unfortunately the other side is pretty well organized um there's a lot of them and they will be coming and they will be aggressive um and they will be talking about what they consider an occupation um it's unfortunate but that's the reality but on top of that what that leads to is a heightened level of awareness of udav shamron um and it presents an opportunity a platform for us to really Advocate and really try to connect with the Jewish communities and the non- Jewish communities but primarily the Jewish communities in the states um in advance of the show and and I got to commend Josh haston and my staff for doing this they they've really identified some of the topics that would be most appropriate for for each guest here this morning and and one of the ones attributed to you is the relationship between Israel and the US in terms of personnel on the ground in Israel we don't talk about this enough uh we we of course discuss rightfully so some of the friction between Washington and Jerusalem but the level of cooperation here describe it for us about how American representatives and the Israeli counterparts are working in so many areas together well I think one of the points that you just brought out at the beginning was Donnie Dian in two weeks is going to be taking over uh the council General in New York Ido haroni the outgoing Council General did a phenomenal job I know has a lot of fans in New York and it'll be sad seeing him go for many people um but what has happened over the last few months and few years is that the the people that Yim that BB is sending over to America to be the face of Israel to the American people to the American Jewish Community um is changing um first you have Ron durmer Ron durmer is the ambassador to Israel um ambassador to America um somebody who is very clearly Affiliated and associated with the settlement movement um he asked anybody in the left they will definitely say Ron durmer is a big set settler and a big uh somebody who's pushing um udav shamon um you look at the UN you have somebody by the name of Danny Danon um who's been there who's A's a tremendous fighter he just had a big event at the UN a long time ago I me just a few weeks ago the anti exactly um somebody again very strongly affiliated with uh judyan area then you look at uh Dan Dian Dan Dian is known in Israel for being the head of the Yeta Council the main settler Lobby it actually caused a little bit of a of a stir it caus a little caused a little bit of a stir in Brazil um but fortunately um he's in a much better place and a much more effective place in New York um so he will be again and the council General in New York his primary role is to be the interface between Israel and the mainstream Jewish communities um so putting somebody who's going to be talking about that who that's going to be at the the front of his all of his communication that's critical you look at Los Angeles we have a new ccil general going to La also um uh what's it called also August 1st his name is Sam grunwick um and he is a resident of ephrat um lives in Judea um grew up with Ron durmer in Miami um again so you look at the top four Israeli representatives in America all of them very clearly associated with Juda and Samaria um and I think when you look at that as a whole that really shows a certain pivot um to the Jewish community that Israel recognized that we have to be reaching out we've got to be educating we've got to be connecting on judan Samaria not sweeping it under the rug not saying hey this is a little bit uncomfortable we don't really know how to explain it we've got to take it on straight on and that is the way that we connect with uh the Jewish Community though both those who love us and both those who don't understand us um we have to address those issues Ellie pep is with us director of international Affairs for the as Council I was told that you'd have the answer to the question of why the July 4th celebration is taking place 2 weeks later today July 20th here in Israel July 4th so I initially I I actually spoke with the consulate I'm going with my daughter uh in a few minutes we're going to be heading over there after this to Jerusalem in Jerusalem um the the Consul in Jerusalem is uh it's very frustrating that it actually perpetrates um actual discrimination against Jews who live in udav shamron um typically in any other Embassy in the world the embassy is responsible to their citizens living in a given country so the embassy the American Embassy should be responsible for me and my family as if it's an extension of that country exactly and but here they they treat the Jews living in udav shamron as separate people living in a separate country and therefore only the consulate represents us when you go to the cons to the Celebration they will be very gracious to the Arabs they'll be very gracious to Palestinians they will be very gracious to Jerusalem they will not utter the word Israel the council General will not say it's great to be here in Israel he will say it's great to be here in Jerusalem even though the consulate is located in an area that was part of Yim in 48 4950 it was an Western Jerusalem still can't even say that because seeing the word Israel is too difficult for the Arab leaders that they are um entertaining um July 4th took place during Ramadan so they want to delay a little bit after that um it ended the first week of July um and then after that I was told that all of the American Staff were on vacation and they were able and again as a very patriotic American the idea that you can't get the government to hold your vacations till after July 6th July 7th you they all went on vacation we're having it on July 20th that is quite a n yeah I was going to say do we have a precedent I mean that you can go ahead and celebrate it two weeks later I will say that those in America if you want you cannot not put on sillan today if you want today kidding folks who's kidding uh Ellie pep is with us okay Udan shamron we're talking about the 50th anniversary and that's beautiful symbolically and even more so we hope to encourage people to visit and to help build you Don Shon but speaking of building uh we all I shouldn't say all we hear we often hear about freezes about approach by the Israeli government to quote unquote settlements Etc is there in fact building going on in today in Sam area there is some building going on right now but there is a lack of of planning for the future and I think that is what is going on is that normally there is you know I in the states I was a real estate developer and there's a life cycle to how these things go um you have to make plans you've got to do the zoning you got to get the permits You' got to move things along and that is what is happen is stopping right now um so there is some construction on the ground if you come to udav Shon you'll see that kind sort of residual you would say exactly that will run up very soon and in fact one of the bigger areas is not just um residential but it's also you look at the commercial um we have a number of areas where we're in right now is an industrial Zone um where we have some commercial space not far away is a place called MIM um which is where um the company called Soda Stream that got got a little bit well well Soda Stream was in Mish they couldn't get the permits to expand so now they moved out and they now are in the the negative and ironically what is kind of ironic which it really speaks to the value of an organization like RI aim is that uh Soda Stream was attacked internationally because they were in uh the West Bank they were occupying they're doing terrible things they relocate to the netive a place that had always been Israel and what happens the same thing they're accused of taking bedan lands um they're attacked the exact same what we need to understand is that the same people who are attacking Israel for udav shamron will attack Israel wherever we are including Tel Aviv including Tel Aviv and maybe one day we'll figure that out uh LF director of international Affairs for the Yesa Council uh continued good luck to you thank you very much and I thank you for joining us thank you so much information about ravim and their activities it's RI aim.org r g v.org uh we are here today in Israel part of an amazing week for us it'll continue tonight as we go to ncsy co and bit May Year and that you'll hear tomorrow morning at JM and the am it'll continue on Thursday night when we head to Y ncsy with all the ncsy summer programs and air that on Friday morning as part of JM the am and it'll continue on Sunday when we visit Yeshiva in the G and that'll be the first broadcast we do in our 3 weeks format on Monday morning at JM in the AM anything you want to comment on you can do so on our app go to the NSN app you can comment away at the moment you can also see uh the proceedings here from the rig ofm makeshift Studio by going to null.com and checking out the video on the home screen right now more coming up keep it right here at JM in the AM [Music] [Applause] [Music] I [Music] jam and the am abut a uh Wednesday morning broadcast we are live in Israel and speaking about ravim R aim.org for information mayor D is with us mayor D is director of policy and government relations for Ravin uh he knows what's happening here in many different areas of Israel including the negga which we just mentioned a moment ago uh we keep focusing on illegal EU building in Udan shamron and how ravim is dealing with that it's one of the revelations of this uh of this broadcast that I think is most significant he'll be able to deal with that as well with us here at JM in the AM mayor D welcome to JM in the AM morning thank you so much for having on yourself a pleasure to speak with you you you actually I I think it's attributed to you if not then you certainly could address the topic there's a booklet that we found here at the rig ofm headquarters that is in I me an entire booklet dedicated to it called the truth about the bedin and I don't think the average listener frankly and the people living in North America who care about Israel understand the role of the bin in all the illegal activity or many of the illegal activities that are going on here in Israel can you sum that up for us could you tell us about how the bin themselves and how they are influenced by others to get involved and participate in a legal activities in Israel so first of all I want to thank you you listening to the show and uh I want to thank you for uh having us on your show um it's a great opportunity for us and you have spoken a lot about the illegal work what's going on in Israel in the me the is exactly uh to show that the the whole of Israel and the Arabs is not about the 67 borders it's about the 48 borders right and when I say I mean about what's going on in the me and in the KH in the we're talking about uh the bedwin living down there that took over almost a million dunam a million D that 10% of the open land of Israel the veterans took over in illegal ways by building illegal structures um we talking about just to just to understand the numbers we're talking about around 70,000 illegal structures that are set out on a huge amount of land uh I know I'm sure your listeners have heard in the past um people talking about illegal Jewish settlements in the Dan area illegal outpos so just to understand what we're talking about the illegal structure of Jews and Jan we're talking about prox 2,000 to 3,000 structures in the same time in the negative we're talking about 70,000 uh illegal structure that were built by the bedland wow that's a lot that is a lot the world does not is L that's we're talking about approximately 40,000 illegal structures the wow 20% of the negative of the northern negative was taken uh by by DN taken over illegally by bedwin and you're asking how how is that possible right it's possible because the negative it's total lawlessness what's going on to the negative is people were able before the show showed up people just went ahead and in the desert and built a built a tent after a year or two the tent came down and you see that there's a sha underneath the tent and after a year a few years that chat came down and he a structure made out of concrete uh and that has happened for many many years um as probably since the establishment of the state of Israel and SL but but surely it huge huge area as I said of of almost a million dunam that was overtaken by the B I mean I'm not this is in no way condemning anybody I understand how Noble and incredible this effort is but we really got off to a late start when you think about it the numbers are staggering you're you're 100% right uh it is it's it's a I mean again I'm I'm sure your listeners heard about the the the you know the settlement and all that I'm sure they did not hear about the situation of the netive people come to Israel they usually stop on the way down to to stop to like and they have some and they don't understand the the real situation down the negative is of total lawlessness it's not only in building permits and you know ille building it on many other aspects of I but suddenly the over one of major over there are there any other strategies besides going into court and I'm not trying to be a smart alec I'm just trying to think if there's any other method or any other direction that an organization or or people who care can go in other than going into court to try to solve this so definitely I mean we we are working with with a with this present government very closely uh the government usually as a partner not as someone that attacked attacks it uh and but in order for the government to work and change their policy they have to know what's going on in the field and I'm sad to say that but the government of Israel the same way the government of Israel did not know that the EU IL structures in area C exactly the same situation happen the native where the government was not aware of how many illegal truct they have unbelievable so so sorry so that number one the facts in terms of number and number two the evidence in terms of photos and and eyewitness accounts end up being the most important things to get the government to be cooperative correct and and and to fight you were talking a lot about the BDS only on the show right in order to fight the BDS is a monster that's feeding off of Liv in order to De with those lives you need to show the facts you need to show photos and for years when Israel tried to build the illegal building of the ne and Israel did carry out the mils so the whole world I mean a lot of organizations as we're talking about 62 organizations just the netive dealing helping the beds through this illegal uh work uh and they every time there was a demolition all those organizations around the world condemned Israel for demolishing a that happing and and they were saying Israel's demolishing homes of bedin that lived there for decades and that the beds over there lived in the structures before the state of Israel and when you hear that the state of okay okay I'm not getting demolish any more illegal structures that's up to to come and show the ear photos shown that the Bing five years ago or 10 years ago weren't there they never lived there they never had structure there and we do that they hisorical even before it showed that the BS never lived in in that area they never had uh structures in those uh places I mean I'm saying that the the B never Liv there the B lived in the me before the state of they never lived in structures they were nadic they had no land intent so it's up to the right they Living tent and they used to uh go according to the seasons they used to travel with their tent and with their FL around found the to find food for their sheep they never lived in communities never lived in but but in order to say that I have to show their footage showing that same place of the demolition that they were never stuck through there 10 years ago or 20 years ago so I give you another another story of of of when when the Canadian Prime Minister uh the previous one 7 Harel and he spoke in the cont the two out members of the commic started yelling at him and one of them is and he's yelling you know my friend another in his village there's no water and there's no electricity because Israel does not supply water and electricity to the V of the Mig right so the next day went down I was photos other's house house and we show that his his house is connected connected to is connected to water it it has satellite dishes on it it has air conditioning um spre lies about about Israel it's very very easy but in order to show that these are lies it takes a lot a lot of work I was gonna say and it takes a lot ofah on their side especially when you're able to produce the evidence that you can in response uh you mentioned and mayor Dy is with us director of policy and government relations for ravim you mentioned the aerial photos you mentioned the evidence that comes from the sky so to speak now so the the role of drones in your research is really multifaceted number one it spares the uh the necessity to actually send a person there to inspect I would assume right that would be one advantage and keeps them safer and and secondly uh you know as the technology gets better and better the uh the effort can only get better and better because you'll be able to provide even better evidence uh you know in court correct the Jones is M it's a life-saving device uh you know the story just gave you about uh going and taking a picture of that house the member of parament when I went into that Village out Village D meas um so they saw me taking pictures of the house and they they sent cars to Chas me uh and I was blocked off I was they they tried to prevent me of leaving that town it was only by by really chance and a lot of uh you know pushing down on the gas s uh that was able to get away uh safely um but that was before before we have the drones and we have these kind of stories uh uh all all the the field people of have these stories where they were attacked by the Arabs living it doesn't matter if it's in theave or the gal or near there's ilal Village right next to the airport next to look the International Airport of there's an illegal V over there so we will all attack different areas of Israel because we have to go into these villes to take pictures of voice what's going on and the drones are giving us the ability of being outside of that Village and using the Drone to get the information that we need so if anybody out there has a few hundred drones they want to donate to the organization they'll be most welcome to say the least mayor D director of policy and government relations for ravim the website is r aim.org r gav v.org mayor thank you so much for joining us today Contin thank you very much Josh haston is with us he's of course International director for RI ofin boy we've got we've gotten quite an education over the last couple hours haven't we a lot of information h a lot of information lot going on here in Israel as uh Rick aim is doing some amazing work and incredible work and I even found out why Israel should have been rooting for uh the United Kingdom to leave the European Union yeah we're very happy about that I meant to I meant to mention this or or to ask mayor as he was on the phone and just slipped my mind for a moment um he we continue to emphasize the EU building in places like you Don shamron but I believe you and others have already said that that that same thing is being duplicated in plenty of areas outside of Israel EU is not just concentrating Jude and Samaria correct you mean outside of Jude and Samaria outside of the country yeah I mean the European Union is trying to have influen just overall in the way things run here in Israel so we're seeing that on on many different levels you're talking about the financing of these NGS who are operating with an anti-israel agenda and are sticking their heads into internal Israel matters we saw it um you know with with with the election and there was some involvement unfortunately with different groups funded by the state department as well but they are trying to you know you have European Union label products here that come out of Judean Samaria number one but but all over the country really they're trying to dictate policy uh from and it's not listen the point is it's not humanitarian they they could claim that they're going after the so-called settlements but when you have a company with with headquarters in Tel Aviv that has a factory let's say Jude and Samaria and they go after that factory they're really targeting those who are running the the operations from Tel Aviv so it really affects the whole country anytime they stick their heads or their noses into uh into Israel's business um whether it's the issues of the housing or or any issues really they have all these NOS funded by the European Union and they're not they're not here for Israel's no matter what they claim no matter what they say and a lot of people fall for it here on the ground unfortunately you know we mentioned that the the evidence that ravim can provide uh when it comes to Illegal building uh is influential for obvious reasons in the courthouse right I mean it's obvious why it would be you're able to present evidence and you know have certain things reversed or decisions made that need to be made but I wonder if in the not in the world of public opinion but in the world of the media I wonder if journalists are able to be swayed because many journalists you might know have an anti-israel bent at times and I wonder if any of this if all the evidence of all the convincing of all the proof that's brought to their doorstep I wonder if any of that will have an influence on any of them well in all my years working with the Press here in Israel you really have three different types of journalists you have those who are pro-israel not enough you have those who are anti-israel who are blatantly anti-israel and then you have those in the middle who may be dropped off here by their Bureau Chiefs and not understand anything not really know the situation um I remember once a reporter asked me something about well you know the Iranians are planning to to build a bomb perhaps to use nuclear weapons against Israel you know are are your uh shelters your bomb shelters sufficient and I'm thinking there's in a nuclear attack these these bomb shelters aren't sufficient that's not for that purpose but I but my point is that we really need to Target those in the middle those who are open-minded who come to Israel who don't really necessarily understand the situation and who aren't wooed by let's say the Palestinian Authority or the others who trying to woo the journalists and they've been doing this it's a well-oiled machine that's been operating for 50 years plus now on the other side so we really have to Target those in the middle who haven't made their minds up on Israel in general um if it is the specific issues of land or what regavim is doing but I think that's really the key when you're talking about public diplomacy when you're talking about all these efforts and initiatives by a lot of uh well-meaning public diplomacy organizations and there are plenty of them here it's really about targeting those who have not made up their minds who don't don't hate Israel may not love Israel but really you have to get through to those people I think that's the goal you mentioned earlier um to me that we're very close to migr uh I assume we're close to Hara as well or maybe not as CL further up in the sh F 45 minutes up up in the shamron and I I bring these up because these have been areas that have been contested and have been in court in Israel and decisions made regarding them that you know are not always very popular in certain you know parts of the of the Jewish world including a lot of these a lot of listeners who are tuned in right now frankly uh who don't always agree with the attitude that the Israeli courts and the Israeli government takes to the take to these areas does Rick aim get involved in that aspect of things when the when the government is you know not challenging the EU or or when the Govern when the government is in a way you know replacing the EU in the battles for the land of you know what I mean by that right I know what you mean I mean regavim for the most part sticks to these issues of legal building and as some one of the other guests said before you have I think it was AI Hyman said you have 30 40 50 organizations who are already out there who are who are looking at how how Jews are building but I'm glad you brought up MC grun because whether you agree or not with the Supreme Court's decision you know originally MC grun was on top of the hill above the winery there sagot Winery and now they took 60 people 60 families rather and moved them out of their homes that's just an example example of uh whether you agree or disagree with with that decision and it's complicated it's an example of a law-abiding nation that despite your personal opinion at the end of the day the court makes a decision and and things happen and and migron I think is the is is the perfect example of that you know regardless of whether you like it or not those people were unfortunately in my opinion unfortunately forced to move um but if you bu I think the perfect example is if you let's say you build an illegal porch in Tel Aviv or an illegal basement and know people who have done it with with you know not knowing that they were doing something wrong a friend of ours built an illegal basement in their house in Mon and again I don't know if they knew it was illegal or not somebody reported it and they came and and very quickly uh you know filled in that basement so in other words the law was applied in modin when a when a Jew built illegally whether it's harmless or whether it's apped now we want it appli to the other side and I think that's the bottom line no question about it Josh haston is with us and he is international director for ravim he will be visiting the United States you want to be in touch with him go to the website RI aim.org r gav v m.org and you stay right there if you don't mind I will we have with us via telephone member of knesset from the leak Hood party Sharin Haskell and she is with us live via telephone shalom shalom thank you very much for joining us at JM in the AM Shalom how are you today a pleasure to speak with you we have been spending the last two and a half hours talking about ravim and the activities they and the activities that they have undertaken in the state of Israel to try to preserve the land of Israel and to keep it in proper ownership for the future can I have your impressions of the organization and the accomplishments that they've been able to accomplish over the last few years wow well I do a lot of work with Reger also with the preserving of the of the land of Israel but not just uh you know they're monitoring a lot of the illegal construction that is being done by the bedin in netive and by the Palestinian um also illegal construction by the European Union um around areas who who are owned by Israel um but there's also another aspect that I don't know if they told you about it but it's the environmental aspect there are monitoring um Environmental activities uh of people in the netive and also in the in judan Samaria of people who are polluting uh the land polluting the water polluting the air a lot of the material that they are sending to us about illegal construction about pollution is being raised here and being taken care of just recently they detected 11 um petrol station who who didn't have the infrastructure to hold the petrol there and there were lead ground leaks and water and and leaks into the water ground and so I mean there's a tremendous uh impact of their activity directly on not just keeping the land uh that is owned by Israel but also to keep us uh safe and clean as well I'm glad you brought this up because we were informed in advance that this was one of the very important parts of the mission uh as you said sometimes it might get lost because we concentrate on illegal activity and defeating those who are in fact on land illegally but the environmental aspect to it is uh is extremely important um what have you seen what have you seen aside from the the leaks that you mentioned what have you seen in terms of progress that's been made in the area of environmentalism by Ravin well there's a lot of work that I do in cooperation with them about the pollution of water there's about 33 Rivers who are being uh polluted in the underground water one of our biggest water equ which is Zen CIA is at risk and if this water equiper will be polluted by the sewage that is being sent through the Palestinian Authority this will be an IR rable damage to our clean water um now with that we've been monitoring a lot of uh a lot of the pollution where it's coming uh trying to construct different uh uh treatment plants as well through Israel and monitoring the funds who are coming from uh America and from the European Union towards uh building uh treatment plant to make sure it is getting to the construction and not to uh other activities or to the pockets you know of the Palestinian Authority leaders or their friends around them what's the general uh assessment of I don't know if there's a way to even address this this but I'm curious what the general reaction is in the knesset to these efforts because there are people who may not be uh as enthusiastic about RI aim's activities when it comes to uh you know they they're being Watchdogs over the EU and others but when it comes to the environment they might be big fans of theirs do you find that a lot in the knesset um yes I I find it not just in the knesset but also other you know even environmental groups and agencies who are meent be doing this particular work they're actually turning a blind eye towards these issues right and are the only one who come and bring the proper recording about that and so I mean it's not just the Meed I think there's a lot of a lot of different bodies and people who actually do that and so you know it's a it's a very it's a lot of a gray area many people don't want to deal with it because the situation is so complicated if it was construction or was the pollution around J from Mar in the netive it has so many different aspects and layers many people don't want to touch these issues because once you touch them H it it provokes such a rage within so many different groups that they try to avoid it and regim are not scared to come and raise these issues and that's why the work with them in the conect is so important they come and they bring these issues to Parliament members where they know they are not scared to touching these issues and promote them and bring them to the public as well member ofly could member of knesset sharen haskel is with us um website is R aim.org for information I have to ask you as a member of Kes and there's been a lot of attention on this recently um when you hear when you see uh members of um uh Arab parties and maybe even others get up and make negative statements regarding the Israeli government regarding the Israeli uh Army Etc um I mean how do you view that do you view it as intolerable do you view it as the beauty of a democratic country uh how do you look at uh at at those who get up as members of knesset and make statements like that sorry I couldn't I couldn't get this question could you could you repeat it I'm asking you about your impression when members of the knesset specifically maybe from Arab parties get up and have derogatory things to say about the government of Israel the state of Israel and the Israeli Army well I think that yesterday we passed a clear message that there's a limit to to to to what you are allowed to say I mean freedom of speech is extremely important specifically in Israel but when we use it not just use it but when we when you abuse this right by promoting hatred by promoting violence and I want to just mention one situation where a knesset member through the moment of silence in the remembrance of a terrorist someone who murdered innocent people I mean anywhere else that would happen around the world this particular Parliament member would have been thrown out of the parliament or from Congress can you imagine a congress member spending a moment of silence in a remembrance of a terrorist in the Orlando Massacre what would have happened to this Parliament member this is promoting violence this is promoting hatred and this is the line that we need to draw uh between where where you abuse your freedom of speech that's what we did today yes last night with our legislation where when people are abusing this right they are they will be suspended from the conect I thank you so much for joining us uh continued success and we will continue to spread the word of great causes and organizations thank you very much Shen haskill thank you very much it was a pleasure to be on your show appreciate that more coming up here as we continue from RI ofm headquarters actually our final minutes and Josh haston is with us again International director for ravim and if I'm not mistaken member of Kessa it's smotrich is with us shalom shalom shalom shalom hi you have been given credit uh both historically and even all the way up until today for starting this organization and for realizing how important this organization is can you tell us what happened back back in 2006 that spurred you on to do this with ravim look we came here uh to Israel and we built our state here in ER Israel because we believe that this country is own to uh the people of Israel to the Jewish and H we didn't go to Uganda or to another place in the world um and it mean that um we have a very very special um how do you say it connection connection um to this land and we have to keep it in our land and we saw um that many many other people Arabs and not only trying to uh take it out of our hand they um did it very very um excuse me about my English so well so so but they did it very very um in Partnership strategic yeah strategic way and um we thought that we have to stop it so we uh built ravim and we're trying to influence the policy of the government of and quickly what was that court case it was it was it was like what we've been discussing today back 10 years ago it was simply a court case over who has a right to a specific piece of land very um interesting story because but it's it's a long story my um friendship here in regavim Jud in the malal of ravim today we met him earlier yes sure um he built a new settlement in HUD his name is Kisha and the one of the first uh cases that the left side took to the Supreme Court in Israel um was against his settlement and when we thought about the solution for this problem um we got this idea to build rim and to trying to um put a mirror between the judge in the Supreme Court and and it's not it's not only the Supreme Court now we are doing the job in the CET and we're doing in the public here in Israel in the whole um press and television and radio and I want to discuss canessa with you in a minute but you see it's it's funny how life is they didn't realize what they were doing yeah when they went ahead and they and they took him on all of a sudden he knew that he going maybe they didn't they would have kept quiet and and that woken up the sleeping giant uh member of Kessa Bal smotri is here founder ravim uh you're with the Jewish Home party uh there is legislation pending in the knesset about this entire issue of illegal um land where do we stand what what is happening now in the knesset at the moment um first of all I think that uh we are on the way to solve this problem I think that the first um our first goal inim is to make people to know the problem and to to to understand that there is a problem and we have to solve it and I think that the most of the member of the ceset and the ministers in the government they understand that we have a problem they know know that we we should have to solve it and now we are discussing discussing um about some um options how to solve it okay we we we are planning uh many many plan in the whole ministers the whole offic offices uh in the government and we try to uh found in all office uh what he should do what they should do in in their so it's much different than 3 four years ago the attitude is different it's more positive you're meeting more allies I think that regavim succeed in first of all they succeed in uh putting this issue on the table right and to make the whole um um as I say the whole the whole decision makers to our that we should have to deal with this issue the majority of the people you're speaking to right now are in North America uh there are a lot of people who like supporting great causes explain the need for partnership explain why it's so important for people who care about the future of the land of Israel to be involved in this organization I think that ravim is the most important Zionist organization in Israel right now it's the biggest organization and they have the most uh success the most most success successful here it's not only in the specific case you know it's it's a whole you the whole picture and I think that they succeed in move the whole policy in Israel to be more Jewish and more Zionist policy and I think that it it's it's the most important thing now in Israel Josh what could you add to that the bottom line is is we need Partners you we can't act alone we can't do things alone we need Partners your listeners and those who are listening all over the world we need Partners to get things done here at regavim so I encourage everyone who's listening to the broadcast to heed the words of MK smurch on how important the organization is he called it the most important Zionist organization out there today so if you believe in Zionism a strong Zionism then you're going to want to support regavim go to the website reg aim.org get involved in an organization that is making Headway that is uh putting making facts on the ground looking at the illegal facts on the ground on the other side and rectifying the situation if you want to be involved in Zionism here today the most important organization as uh my colleague MK smard said support regavim reg aim.org and that's really what it's all about there is a lot to be optimistic about in terms of the future of Israel there are people who like to focus on the negative and how difficult things are and how you know things happen that are not the most positive but I I'm sure you would agree that there's plenty to be positive about very very optimistic person I believe in the state of Israel I believe in the Jewish Nation population um I'm sure in 100% that we are working in the right way and uh uh we're going to reach very very high targets and and goal and I think that ravim um movement has a very very important how you say Ro role in this way and that's the reason that I'm involved inav and I trying to help them from the KET as most as as I can and I call uh uh to all who is listening to to me right now to be H involved R to help and to to be a kak thank you so much my thanks everybody here at ravim for an amazing day uh here in the bamin section of Israel our brothers and sisters in Israel we are with you it's your favorite America's one and only Jewish moments in the morning radio program heard on listeners sponsored WFMU East Orange wfu Mount Hope Rockland County at 91.9 on the FM dial broadcasting live from the sonan Robert gold studios in Jersey City New Jersey 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