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Calendaric Trivia for 5787 and Beyond w/Nachum Segal and Rabbi Heber on JM in the AM
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Nachum Segal welcomed Rabbi Dovid Heber, Director of the STAR-K computer department and spiritual leader of Khal Ahavas Yisroel Tzemach Tzedek in Baltimore, back to JM in the AM for an entertaining and informative look at calendaric trivia in 5787 and beyond. This morning's interview was generously sponsored by Kari and Joshua Levine of West Hempstead, NY in honor of their dear parents Roxana and Sheldon Rybak and Harriet and Allan Levine.
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JM in the AM. Thanks very much, Rabbi
Goldwer. Uh, well, it's a moment that
we've been waiting for since the start
of 5787.
Rabbi David Heber, who's of course the
rabbi of Kalavasc,
uh, down in the Baltimore area and has a
very prominent position as we know at
the Star K
and is author of a book that only he
could write, a book entitled The
Intriguing World of Jewish Time. In
fact, if you love Jewish time the way we
do,
uh, it's a great book to get for your YT
season, read it over yontiff or
kalamoid.
Relax with the intriguing world of
Jewish time or by David Heber. H Eb is
the author. Uh, today's segment is
sponsored by Carrie and Joshua Lavine,
our dear friends from West Hemstead, New
York, in honor of their dear parents,
Roxanna and Sheldon Ryback and Harriet
and Alan Lavine. And we thank the
Lavines for their generosity and for
their shared enthusiasm they that we
have with them for discussion about the
Jewish calendar. Rabbi David Heber agar
to welcome back to JM in the AM.
>> Good morning to you and to all your
listeners.
>> Everything go well over you.
honestly after I had a cold last week
>> from Gaya on and uh but it's it was it
worked out that um it was very
>> I was thinking of you on Arab Kipper
because
>> I came I came up with the most lame
trivia question possible. You ready for
this one?
>> Sure.
>> Outside of the month of Nissan, right?
Because Pesak's an exception. Peso's an
exception in a lot of ways for a lot of
things. Outside of the month of Nissan,
and I, by the way, I don't even know if
I'm right. I'm I'm here to find out if
I'm right about this trivia question.
Outside of the month of Nissan,
>> what are the when when is the only time
we don't say Ms. Marlo soda three days
in a row?
>> Outside of the month of Nissan, no Ms.
Marlo soda three days in a row. I mean,
technically, if Yontiff was was
Thursday, Friday,
>> Oh, I blew it. I blew it right off THE
BAT. I BLEW IT RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
>> So your example would only work in I
have one that works both in Israel and
though you get though you get Thursday,
FRIDAY EVEN
>> OH MY GOSH. YOU'RE WE'VE STARTED OFF THE
YEAR. I'M I'M PRACTICALLY on the mat
ready to ready to cave into the 10
count. I can't believe this.
>> Okay, but I know your answer. I know
your answer. It was it was last well
last right Arab kipper on a Sunday
>> right kipper on a Sunday you get it
right because then you get shabas
>> correct shabas Sunday mon no yeah yeah
shabas Sunday Monday now there is a
defense for me on this by the way
because in the in the and I'm sure you
know about this in the atmosphere in the
arena of Jewish calanderic trivia very
often will say that it has to be three
separate reasons it can't just be two
days Russia sun that wouldn't count it
would have the like when we when we do
the remember when we do the five days in
a row of laning but we don't countoid in
that right the five days different so
when it comes to Jewish trivia we have a
precedent where it could be you know
that it must be three separate reasons
so in that case finally we've come to a
conclusion that by example works
>> absolutely abs granted
>> thank god
>> granted granted 100%
>> by the way a couple of things I learned
over this yontiff uh specifically on
Saturday night the second day of
Russashana.
Are you aware of this Yaknahaz candle?
Are you aware of this 2026 craze called
the Yakna Yaknahaz candle?
>> I've seen it around. You could buy it.
I've seen it.
>> So, I'm not going to go into what
Yaknahaz is. Anybody who wants to know
could consult with their rabbi. But what
I will say is it gives everyone the
opportunity to have somewhat of a more
normal Havdala, which we'll need, by the
way, this coming Saturday night, right?
We're going to need it at two weeks in a
row. Right. Correct. Two Saturday nights
in a row. We're going to need it.
Although, I'd like to find a Yaknahas
candle that has a little bit of
protection from the wind because we're
going to be making Kdish in the Suka.
You know, hopefully, if the weather's
all right, we're going to make Kdish in
the Suka this coming Friday nights. I
would like to see a Yaknaz candle that
has a little bit of a of an accutrin to
it, a little bit of a uh of an addition
to protect against the wind. But that
but but that having been said um this
basically gives you a candle has two
wicks in it and it makes the whole
mination it makes the whole procedure of
doing havda during kdish on a Saturday
night yiff a little bit easier. So you
have seen this,
>> right? Right. So you could pl put it in.
In other words, you don't want to use
your regular most people have those
candles are uh
>> Yeah. It'll burn out. It'll take a month
to burn out. Right.
>> Right. Or or the ones you hold.
>> You don't want to hold it the whole
night. Right. So you have nowhere to put
it.
>> So this one
you don't have to have that. I mean you
can use regular ner better not to you
don't tip them. You just Some people
look at the nearest some people go over
to the nearest you put them close to
each other. But this I guess you call it
a in in the now on the topic of
that you mentioned of course is the
right
>> in the of that you say in li of which we
say every shabas on a week night
>> right
>> in after we say
if you look at the gurus in the fifth
per it says that this was the maranisa
devel which is the the the pearl above
this and the Mar notes that it seems
that was written in Bavl of course
east of and he actually speaks about the
calendars and he says it it was made in
Bavl because his terminology it seems to
be there was no second day Rashana where
he's speaking and he says in most years
you have you have but in if you take
away the second because then in most
years you don't have it or in our terms
let's put it like this but it said more
than double
than it is in right good point good
point I love that reference
>> written there so it was written there
>> I love that reference there
>> u so that's the story with the nahaz
candle with havdalah uh on Saturday
night the next two Saturday nights in
it's obviously would be somewhat of a
more regular havdullah in in Eritrol.
Um, and and and Yum Kipper and excuse my
ignorance on this. I really should know
this. Why is it important and is it
important to use a flame that was
burning from before Yam Kipper for
this past Monday night,
which is a candle that again was had
so to speak, right? Um so a regular mist
it's it's um is a memory of
right after he he did the
um you know the of the tree of knowledge
on Friday which was when he was created
that was of course the and he did shuva
because that was first rashana it was on
rashana and then shabas was k or was
totally light and now came shabas and
now it was dark so struck two um uh two
um blints together and now he had light.
So as a memory of that that was the
first bi shabas in the world we every m
shabas we so to speak strike the match
and light a candle and go ahead and make
on that kipper you don't have that
because kipper is is typically a week
night like this year was a Monday night
so the reason you're making on the air
is because it's been forbidden the whole
time so it's it's not your regular
striking it's something that this candle
was forbidden to use and now you could
use it so therefore we use one that was
already existing
>> from uh from from from either before
Kipper or technically if someone was ill
and it was lit it was lit on Yum Kipper.
If you have one you can't make a
remission.
>> You cannot if you don't have one.
>> No. No. Because it right it's it's only
it's got to be one
>> again it could be lit as long as it's
even lit from a candle. So if someone
didn't have one you go to a neighbor and
uh you know you use his unless it must
shab the other. I think in that case is
a discussion whether since Shabas anyway
>> right
>> you know it's not a problem like last
year was last year was much shabas
um well is that right no not last year
um
>> yeah was
>> wasn't
>> when last year was Tuesday last
>> Oh no it couldn't have been Thursday
night was Thursday night
>> right but when it's Saturday night then
you could do it
>> right supposed to do
>> very interesting and those who say you
can rely on certain electric lights or
fluorescent lights that do bar. Can if
they were on in the sh the entire yum
kipper, you think you could use those or
not?
>> Yum kipper. Uh well, fluorescent's an
issue in general. You need a you need an
incandescent bulb.
>> So, so one if the nar tid was on the
entire yum kipper, you think you could
use it or not?
>> Where where you could see the filament?
Yes.
>> Wow.
>> I'll tell you a great story. You'll
you'll up your belly.
>> First story of the year, folks. Go
ahead, Rabbi Hammer.
>> You're right. I was in uh I used to I
live around the black field. I go to
Baltimore where I ded him for many years
in Z,
>> right?
>> And uh I I ded for many years. The the
one of the big there, his name was
David,
>> right?
>> He was there a number of years ago. He
was the vice president of the for
decades. So he in the front they're good
at they have like a little like
kendalabra you know on the wall that's
there you know behind the rough seat
like an lab with two two n so one of
them
>> so usually people use um um um frosted
bulbs
>> because uh it's it doesn't give us much
heat and it's covered it's not as bright
he put in one of them on the candalabra
was an incandescent clear bulb
>> right
>> that he made sure to put it. So it
didn't match. One was clear and one was
frosted. Why? Because when mat shabas
was was yont they they make they make
kdish on Friday night yont night,
>> right?
>> So let's say this this week m shabas is
is you're going to have yaknahaz. So
they would actually use the there's the
answer to your question also. They would
use the unfrosted bulb for havda because
the the kazin making kdish would say the
whole yak nahaz and they needed an air.
So instead of making sure you had a
candle say candle bringing it in and
bringing it down they walked over to the
bulb which was a again an unfrosted bulb
where you saw the filament a regular
incandescent bulb and that's what they
made on. So you always made sure that it
was it was there. So for these cases,
>> you had the bulb that was in there. But
again, incandescent because Abdullah has
you need to the you actually have to see
the ore um the the light the light the
burning light so to speak and that's why
fluorescent or LEDs are a problem for
Abdullah. But uh in you know old
incandescent bulbs where you see the
filament is not a problem. Theyer
who was the big, you know, the rail
until he was nifer in the 5th of 1940,
you know, right as the war as the he was
there as the war was beginning. They say
he made Abdullah on a on a candle,
excuse me, on a bulb because he wanted
to show that it lit electricity or that
a bulb is is a is is a fire. In other
words, when he was Piscar early days
when he was a younger pit, there was the
big Mahixson regarding light bulbs was
he held of course it's a flame but to
show it was a flame. They say this is
legend that he made Abdullah on a bulb.
>> Gavaldic Gavaldic. I love it.
>> By the way, uh as an aside, throwback to
an era, you just used the term. There
was a time in our tradition when if
someone had the title, you knew there
was they were a serious Torah scholar.
Yeah. So again today it's used in the in
the German correct
>> or you know asum that are you know very
involved in their
>> but usually learn it also right usually
a level of learning right
>> definitely definitely but it's it's more
on the the you know they're busy with
their kahila and community
>> yeah my point is that they're so
involved in the shul but they need to be
at a certain level of education in order
to do what they do in So that's what I'm
saying.
>> Absolutely 100%.
>> What percentage of your sh of married
men wear a kumer?
I would say 90 because there
oh everybody everybody wears
>> and what about%
>> 90 Russ
I would say no right you know everybody
oh come on everybody on on rash I would
say I'm going to put it at 60% 65 70%
because n I think the meaning there is
to where therefore because Baltimore of
course many saw she were here for
>> was 1933 and many told me then so many
people um you wear um
>> so you know you know what the rule was
when I was growing up and I'm sure this
was the rule when you were rooting for
the Cardinals in St. Louis as a kid as
well. You know what the rule was?
>> Okay.
>> The rule was me.
>> The rule was that yum kipper everyone
wears uh married men except as you said
you know someone who just had gotten
married then they would not wear the
first year and rashana anybody who was
involved in the service would wear.
>> Exactly. Oh, so you do you had the same
policy and do you think that that's
>> the same policy were were people who you
know there were people who let's say
retired Kazan you know wore it for 40
years
>> ah
>> who also like they like that was part of
them so they kept it on interesting
>> my memory correct
>> I mean I haven't been to St. Louis in uh
by my father when he died down for
>> in almost 50 years you know when I was
in eighth grade I guess was the last
time.
>> Why but nonetheless you remember the
rule
you remember the policy
>> rules then and hopefully someone also.
>> Yeah no doubt you do. Um,
and if you had a single person in Shul
who was involved in the service,
would you have them put on the kit and
talis just for that part of the service
or you'd have them wear it the entire
morning?
>> I would have the whole morning,
>> right?
>> It was like the balm, right? So I'm I'm
the machi for the key to mush, which of
course is the first 30,
>> right?
>> Um,
>> well, it's actually the second Oh, first
30. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. Right.
Sorry.
>> Right. First and then thehat
so I'm I'm the mus. So obviously the mak
during the
>> so we have very member of our blaz
Shapiro who's a
ink
here and uh so he wears because you know
he's the mak for you know for those and
then for the ones after also but that he
doesn't wait till like you know
to put on his no
the whole time the whole time the point
being he's a single gentleman
I'm asking I'm asking someone who's
single.
>> Oh, I see. I see. Listen, that's a good
question. If I had somebody single,
>> then would you have the balery or or the
balor or whatever, you know, it is,
would you have them only wear
>> single? I have to ask my brother that
question because I I never I only ded
after I was married. My brother who who
actually helped me a lot with I when I d
I use my father's and I use a lot of
Rashid in Chicago where I learned that I
learned the Liber
um and um so but my so I only started
when I was married but my brother
actually helped me learn because my
brother was the Balmus for actually a
number of years in Scarsdale of Scar
Scarsdale
>> and he was a bucker and his first
stellar was in was in Overland Park
Kansas. He was all but I think 19.
>> Wow.
>> He was 19. He was he was he was he was
only stroll but that elman he was in the
St. Lucy Shiva and he still has the
clipping from the newspaper in Kansas
City. grand I don't know it literally
says that you see this 19year-old
and and uh anyway it it was very
interesting we always laugh about it but
he was a ber obviously he wore a kit he
was the busim I have to ask him later
>> or the answer I was a single balm musf
for years and wore a kit and talis the
entire ding in fact it was the only time
>> rashanium kipper was the only time I
ever put a talis over my head because
they insisted I do it and I was single
But you know D for the helmet. I mean
only at the helmet obviously.
>> Right.
>> How many years are you bomb?
>> Uh this past Monday was the 43rd.
43 years in a row.
Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> And I'll tell you I'll tell you the one
above gives you he gives you a special
strength on Yum Kipper because on paper
it's impossible to get it's impossible
on paper to get through the day. He
gives a special bra. I'll tell you mish.
A special bra.
>> It's unbelievable.
>> Unbelievable. Bra
I used to have I I was in the car in San
Diego and my first uh my first stellar
was in uh
in San Die in La Hoya California where I
down for a number of years. First I was
in the man in Kyle and then even when I
you know moved east I used to go back be
what Jeffan was the RV then when I was
there. Oh, I remember it.
>> It was beautiful. I rub down, but I have
some wonderful, you know, wonderful
memories of of uh of Dominique there.
>> Very nice. I have two more things before
I turn the uh the um podium over to you
by David Heers with us. We're talking
about 5787 Kaland Derek trivia and I now
seagull going through my little nitpicks
from the beginning of the year. The the
controversy of this year, Rabbi Heber,
began before the year began. I couldn't
believe it. Mamish minutes into the very
first night of Russia Shana, there was
already a controversy. I'm wondering
what you're going to catch on. This was
unbelievable. I couldn't even believe it
was a Shila. And I till this day, 10
days later or 12 days later, I'm still
convinced that there's no other side to
this argument. And I need to know what
you say about it. You ready for this?
>> Go ahead.
We say kabala shabas on the first night
of rash shana. Right. It was a Friday
night.
>> Right. Right. Yep. There's mash or if
you're in the you start early. Everybody
has their minute.
>> It comes time for kadeshum after hashem
malik
and because someone forgot to do so I
yell out a
and all of a sudden people surround me
and tell me you know it's a makus
whether you say la in kabal shabas. a
situation like this and obviously most
people pus and we do so I wasn't wrong I
just didn't realize that there's
actually discussion about it and then
after Davini ends people are coming over
to me to tell me stories about gdole
Torah that were mupuk we're not sure
about saying laa during kabal shabas on
that Friday night or not are you aware
of any of this rabbi
>> yeah I actually spoke about it Friday
night but it was it was actually it was
unprepared remarks actually in the
middle of speaking Friday you know the
first hour I speak um you know between
um Kabal Sham so speak and and
um actually go through some of the
things of the year I give a a preview to
some of the things we talk about
actually right
>> uh not not totally not every some of the
we some interesting facts a little more
a little less right but that's why I
prepared for the show you know
>> of course yeah but I I mentioned that
that that this There's a famous with a
famous story with art scroll on this I
believe if I have the story correct
>> um when art scroll started publishing
you know the maximum a number of years
ago
>> so they got to this kades now you look
at most they write shabas and they write
kuf which that's for kades awesome right
over there because the old makum you
know you were flipping the pages right
>> but our school you know wants to be very
clear and and concise and stick put it
in there people have it got to this
question do you say lea or Not because
it's is it or is it on one hand you were
mabo rash at the same at the same time
it's really the day is still it's before
the day is still right but what is it so
they say they went to on this and I
think this is a recorder in one of the
books and they say speak to the veteran
gab right because this is
>> meaning
by way and the story you're telling is
the one that I was old that night. But
it it doesn't even make sense to me.
They're going to they're going to agor
to ask is it considered Russ or not?
That's the sila. The sila is not that we
say the sila is is that considered
kabola of Russ or not at that point.
Right. Right. I mean you're saying a lot
of men hug him that weighs in on
obviously and hen certainly weighs in on
a lot of them. I I guess because this it
still might be totally a minute because
since there's two sodom here
>> on the coin
>> and there really aren't two sodom in
other words you see the second side I
don't even see the second side you you
hear the second side on this
>> absolutely
>> wow
>> I actually spoke about two sides also on
your kipper you have to hear this
kamachia you ready
>> okay when someone has an argument with
somebody so I take my side right my side
Gamashia 94
>> right
>> okay 94 * 2 is equal to 188 that is the
gamashia of pak which means a wise
person
>> right a wise person I hear my son and I
hear your son right okay but it's not
over yet okay then if you take pak times
2 188* 2 you get 376 that's the gamashi
of sham
>> wow
>> shull is when I know my tad I know why
my tad might be wrong I know your sad
and I know why your side might be wrong
and I can't come to a conclusion but
shalom is when I've thought through your
sudden and thought through the the
shortcomings of my sudden so to speak of
my side
>> I I thought through the other side
>> I I didn't I didn't mean to say you're
only a side guy don't worry
>> no I'm saying that I can't even get to
first base on the other side like I
don't know why it doesn't make sense to
me that that one would think it's not
Russia by the way if it was after would
That clear up the question like should
we just say Kabala Shabas after skier
that night?
>> Yeah, but the idea is to say Kabal I
mean Kabal Shabas we're supposed to do
before before ski even though in the
winter we don't really but one is really
supposed to kab Shabas before and night
that's really happening. It really
depends when you start MKA like we start
MA 20 minutes before
>> which has its own whole story why we do
that every Friday night we start 20
minutes before that way we're done five
minutes before
>> right
>> and uh
we once we we right we talk about we
people have in mind to do shabas
>> already and they're doing it early
>> so um uh
>> the real question I'll tell you and I've
I don't know an answer to this question
are you not going to avail them at that
moment if if they are Remember,
>> how did I not think of that? How did I
not think of that?
>> Because you would think you would think
that because Rashan is mativa,
>> you would think you at that point you
wouldn't do it,
>> right? But it's not Shiva until now is
for you. You just finished Mina.
>> You haven't.
>> Have you ever had that situation coming?
>> Yes. And and by when my father passed
away and the story at the yard site is
tonight.
>> Wow.
It was the Levia was the Levia was
Thursday
30 years ago
>> and Friday was Arab shabas that year and
so we had a we had one minion because
was yontiff we had one minion for ma at
5:00 and we sat sha from 3:00 to 5 about
and then 5:00 we got mka we sat till
about 5:30 and then we scrambled to get
ready for I didn't think it silent until
afterwards but actually stop and I
wasn't yet. We went my brother and I but
we came in time for my which was already
you know you know whatever it was half
hour so by the time we got there it
wasn't relevant had I thought of the
silent advance I would have asked should
we come for
>> wow
>> I don't know I don't have the answer I
don't have the answer I did tell
somebody this somebody somebody was nif
my um my neighbor's father-in-law was
nif and I mentioned this to him because
he has brother-in-law and I said can you
Find this out for me what the what the D
on this is. I've never seen the Shil
anywhere and it's only the Ga is another
calendar fact. It's only g this year
versus sh and sukus and that's it
>> right
>> because pes people finishes
and shulus is never a Friday
>> right
>> it's I mean is never Friday never starts
on Friday it can only be rashis
>> that's right in a year like like now
where
>> yeah right it has to be Friday night it
has to be Friday night right
>> wow amazing
>> exactly
>> uh and that caner Samuel Heber is your
father 30th Third side tonight.
>> Yes,
>> 30 sight tonight is Namash and Aliam.
We'll have an opportunity to actually
hear one of his pieces at the end of
this conversation. My final question
before I turn things over to you and I I
know I've taken a long time to get here.
An interesting thing happened in our sh
over Yantiff on Russia. You ready for
this one?
>> Sure. And there was a an elderly
gentleman mid 80s elderly gentleman in
shu who's a cohane
and his son comes over to me and says um
my father would like to make kdish you
know after shakers because you know he
he needs something to eat understandably
you know before a chauffeur a lot of
people break anyway before a chauffeur
with kdish and uh do you have any and we
only have wine we have no grape juice is
there anybody here who would drink the
wine because and he knew I wouldn't
because I'm about dab musv etc. I'm not
going to I don't make kdish before him.
>> Right.
>> So he says anybody here could drink the
wine from his kdish because he would not
want to drink the wine because that
would be a pro right a problem with his
dening.
>> And I'm saying to myself number one
those shs that have a kdish before a
chauffeur are they careful that they're
calling him shouldn't have wine or is
this a an extreme position on the
matter?
>> I assume I assume they're careful. The
mades
>> wow
>> is not a cayen. I mean
need to be encouraged to make sure not
to have wine before they do.
>> Right. Exactly. Right. Otherwise that's
also because Ty why would we move it to
>> Right.
>> They going to make or whatever it is and
then uh that's it.
>> But I never thought that.
>> I never thought of that. That's
unbelievable.
So um so they wanted to make sure that
they had a you know somebody who would
actually drink the wine so that um you
know somebody would have it and
>> he'd be able to make kdish.
>> Amazing.
>> Uh actually it was more than that. They
wanted someone to make kdish for him. So
the person making kittish would drink
the wine and he would be yay. It's
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sponsoring this morning's segment in
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Sheldon Ryback and Harriet and Alan
Lavine and Rabbi Heber. What's the first
thing you want to tell us about the year
5787?
>> Okay, so public service announcement in
Savannah.
>> Yeah, what's the story? Is it tonight or
tomorrow night?
>> Okay. Well, it's supposed to be cloudy.
I looked in New York, your best chance
is going to be tonight. Okay.
>> I think it's 40% cloud cover.
>> So that's why they're asking people to
do it tonight because tomorrow night's
really the deadline, but tonight's going
to be easier to find the moon.
>> But
Friday night also,
>> right?
>> Um so someone from here told me to go. I
said, "You'll have no problem Friday
night at all."
>> Right.
>> Um it's it's the I I looked I think
>> tonight, this evening, the clouds
diminish as the evening goes on. I think
2 a.m. is actually the ideal time in the
New York area. Tomorrow night's going to
be harder and Friday night harder.
>> What's it like?
>> We have that opportunity.
>> What's it like?
>> Also, also, although it's it's going to
be about 50% cloud cover tonight, 40%
tomorrow
>> and I think 30% Friday night. So, we
actually get a little bit better.
Although, that could change. But, I
would just tell the listeners when you
see the moon, just say it. Don't wait,
>> right?
>> Don't wait because it's in it's going to
be in and out. Grab you if Roy is there
three people, which means a lot of
people. If you have two neighbors, go
grab them and say it. If you don't, just
say it right on the spot.
>> And that includes, by the way, early in
the morning. If someone's walking to
their car at 4:00 a.m. and sees the
moon, be mad, right?
>> Yes. Except now the moon the moon is not
out. Probably by 4:00 a.m. tonight, it
probably sets already.
>> Wow.
>> Right. Only the Friday night, it be all
night until dawn. um basically to to
basic dawn. But tonight it probably sets
I'm going to guess around 4:00 a.m. Uh
and tomorrow night probably around 5:00
a.m. That's a that's a rough guess, but
but uh yes, you know, you know, maybe
set your if you see it's cloudy, maybe
uh tonight in your New York, you might
want to set your alarm for 2 a.m. and
and and because it might be your last
good chance to say it, possibly. How uh
how depressed was your congregation when
they discovered uh after 7:30 p.m. on
Monday night that there's no visible
moon outside?
>> Yeah. So, they they we knew it could be
rain.
>> They adjusted they adjusted they
adjusted accordingly.
>> They didn't mind they they didn't mind
eating five minutes earlier.
>> No, Mike. I looked people were tuming
already last week. It was it was uh we
were get we were getting the urgent
phone calls already la last week's week
or last week it was it was it was
>> by the way and if you knew then what you
know now you would have done it much to
shabasha right
>> Baltimore
not really I would I I we spoke to the
weatherman here and uh you know somebody
from you Bill Learner is a is a retired
uh weatherman and I spoke to him We said
we should be fine by at least Friday
night we'll be uh we'll be f fine,
>> right?
>> Um I mean we'll be okay. We'll be here
in Baltimore and New York,
>> right?
>> If I knew what I knew now, I probably
would say last say last week because I
think
>> well there's another there's another you
know tweak to the whole New York thing.
I mean th those who you know I mean I'm
I'm living on the lower east side of
Manhattan and David Feinstein of blessed
memory.
>> Oh correct. That's right. Right. He
would say he said the moment the moment
you were able to say it.
>> Right. Right. Right.
>> Yeah. Didn't wait seven days. Didn't
wait. Oh, I don't know. I shouldn't say
didn't wait seven days. I don't know if
he waited three or seven. But whatever
he felt
>> three, right? I did go to the
>> marav they said I was at a million I was
at a relative common relative and uh
>> and it was like the l I think and he
went out
>> said okay after mar you know it was very
dollar hey we went outside it was in the
atrium in Mont went out to the parking
lot we said we say but you are allowed
to say it on Friday night
>> if it's the last night
>> right
>> um you just hen says you just say the
brah itself also from low side of course
Right.
>> Um
you just say the itself you don't dance,
you know, you say,
>> right?
>> Anyway,
okay. Of course, it's a leap year. So,
we'll start
on
>> right.
>> It's also
>> that's soon,
>> right? We're we're we're back on soon.
Yeah. Few weeks.
>> Two weeks.
>> Okay. Because it's a leap year and it's
a which means have have both 30 days.
It's it's a 385 day year which make it
the makes it the longest possible year.
>> Wow.
>> Which also means 85 is 55 time 7. So
that means it's 55 full weeks. So the
next week, next year rather will repeat
themselves this year. Purim was on
Tuesday this past year. It'll be a
Tuesday next year. Pes was a was a
>> Wednesday night,
>> Thursday this past year
>> and it's going to happen again. Rash of
course this year was Shabas and next
year it's going to be a Shabas again. We
get two years in a row where we don't
get to blow on the first day or takea
on the first day of so it's going to be
two years in a row. Are we going to have
that? The other very interesting thing,
people are going to be um not remember
this so well. We have two Shabas
Hanukkah this year,
>> right?
>> The first happened since 2009 and it's
going to be two years in a row. Um which
was interesting because check your
school calendars and the all the schools
had to decide which jobs to give off,
>> right?
>> What was the sock, ditto?
It depends on the school, I guess. In
Baltimore, they pick the first Chabas,
>> right? They pick the first Chabas. I
think it may have to do sometimes with
you give up Thursday, you give off
Monday. Like if you give up Monday, then
then okay, you want it to be Hanukkah.
You give up the first.
>> I think it is the Monday that ends up
making a decision, right? I think it is
the Monday.
>> What does it do with the parios? We have
55 weeks. We have zero double parios
this year.
>> Actually, we're going to have three
double parios this year. Could you
believe it? In the NRA yard.
>> Yeah. What's going on here? I protest.
THIS GAME IS UNDER PROTEST or by
>> Okay, so the answer is cuz you got all
these shabas coming up, right? Because
Friday shabas
have together. They're almost always
together.
>> I was looking
because because so basically
Okay, this one is very fascinating. You
ready?
>> Yeah.
>> We're going to go the longest. Oh, but
before that one more point about Kaneka
couple points is that we get the mostims
because you get shabas you get musf then
you get two days of mus two mus and you
get the last day right so you get 28 you
get 28 and then you got two shabos so
you get six sudas
>> and mala too you get the most so it
should be a year of uh you know kanekas
>> of nim a year of nim
>> of kanaka
>> and the longest mafia also because we
lan the last day of Khan.
>> Right.
>> The mafia is 40.
>> Right.
>> Which is by the longest by four.
>> Right.
>> Right. We l that whole and and it's the
only ali shabas. It's two parases
besides double par. So really we have we
have on shabas four double par this
year. Right. Because you're going to lay
three together. And then you l the mir
you lane the end of and the beginning.
Oh wow. this morning
to get that. So, uh,
>> three part auction off that.
>> What is it?
>> Listen,
>> it's by Aishv and Mikates. Two Shabas
Mikates. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, again, we will not be
>> the longest.
Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah.
>> No, I was going to say again, we will
not be reading the Torah for Mikates,
which is common.
>> That's correct. That's correct. Okay.
The longest streak of
Yeah, let me explain. Every week we say
13 taknas. We start Sunday through
through Thursday two. Then that's six
times two and then Friday morning is
another is 13.
>> Okay. We don't say by ma Friday and we
don't say shabas.
The longest streak possible is going to
be this year. We're going to go eight
weeks straight without a break from
tman. Of course unless you or um you
know zabris
why is that? Okay. So Kaneka is going to
end on a shabas,
>> right?
>> That's the last day. The next day is
going to be giml
through the month of four weeks. You say
every day.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. Now comes which is going to be on
a shabas.
>> It's only one day.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. The anyway don't say Friday. The
anyway don't say shabas. And now
Sunday's bvat. And now you got four
weeks in a row again. You have tishvat.
The tishvat is also a shabas. Oh, is
that funny?
>> So the so eight weeks in a row of Pakam
saying
>> until Rok
>> correct.
>> Wow.
>> Exactly.
>> See, I thought Yeah. Go ahead.
>> Go, go, go. Now
>> um so no also this is very interesting.
You have you have threeishes
of tyras that are lame.
>> I'm assuming the most there can be
>> the most there can be and really okay.
So the most ups any year of course is a
Titus every year five times
>> there's hashem
>> as far as though three it's possible
only this year this type of year where
you have you know shabas and pes on
Thursday um where you have three of
>> so obviously obviously alf is one of
them
>> is one of them
>> one second I got to think I got to think
I got to think
>> I got I got to think I got to Adolf is
one. So that would be Sunday Monday,
right? Adolf is one day only. Right. Is
Adolf one day?
>> Oh, two days. Two days.
>> Two day. So Ad B is one day.
>> Ad also two days.
>> Oh, it's also two days. There two months
in a row with a two-day roesh. That in
and of itself is unusual.
>> Correct. Except by
>> Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Kissv could be
also correct. Wow.
>> Let me think this through for a second.
So if Sunday, Monday is Adaf and
Tuesday, Wednesday is Ad B and Thursday
is Nissan. Oh, so will be uh will be
>> oh no,
>> notes
Friday.
>> So wait, so we have olive and
>> and and coming up
>> also, right? Wow.
>> Sunday Monday. Okay. Now, here's
something very interesting for the
people learning. First of all, we have
the mash here,
>> but do the math and uh and and you're
going to appreciate the Shiloh also.
Okay. As a followup to this,
>> the braus the braas is going to be doing
the nine days.
>> Ah, a natural.
>> The first
>> we'll get we'll get together. We'll get
together for hot dogs on that night.
Rabbi, you
>> you got it. It's the first sem of
in in the nine days since 2001.
>> Wow.
>> Right.
>> And it's unusual. We're talking about,
you know, over a week. Like it's not
that crazy, you'd think, you know, for
the final. That's so weird. Wow.
Interesting.
>> And And is there any is there anything
that's close to uh Patanis Burim or not?
anything close to thanks Mim as far as
uh
>> making us see him
>> in terms of the end of
No, I think well I'm not sure I don't
have that's a good question. I'm not
sure um mida starts two months before
the mash. No. So we'll be will be we'll
be in the middle of the last of you know
>> because the sea mash is around.
So two months before that you know it's
73 by if you if you hold on to the other
one you have to hold on too long. It's
probably no we're not we're not they
don't see him right then. It don't seem
unfortunately
which leads to a brak this is a
fascinating shila that only knock you
appreciate more than anybody else.
>> Yeah.
>> You ready for this?
>> Yeah.
>> In 1923
1923 the lavina ro received the shila
from the
dee dafi of Berlin.
>> Wow.
>> And their shila was is bro. We're
talking now the scene was I think dollar
kiss 1923. They sent the sh two weeks
earlier in the safer of of the leader of
their shil was could we count the last d
for our or not meaning the last blood of
is short it's only about a third of the
>> so we we made up to learn of daff and
braus is only 20% of a blot does that
count we made a net to learn a blat
The mamish brought up an issue about
whether there's a shear for a blood or
not. And I don't mean a shear a lecture.
I mean a shear a measurement a you know
that that it's got to be a certain
length.
>> Correct. So he wrote I'm so happy to see
that they learn in in Germany. I'm so
happy and and he was you know very
touched. And then he writes that uh that
okay you were mabo to learn according to
our seder
and our seder has the first
and we calculated that we will count the
last even if it's short like is the
shortest one it's only a few lines
>> right
>> even that do is going to count he
doesn't write but that's the shortest he
writes as a short it still counts as a
daffo.
>> A dafomib. We have a dafomib.
It might it might be the only technical
question to ever be asked about dafomi.
>> Actually, there's another one, but we'll
save it for the next time.
>> Technical silence someone else got, but
we'll save that one.
>> So, tanis bakarim is right in the middle
of the final maka. So it's not near a
sem unless someone wants to wait you
know at the ma before the final maka and
I think the sem hashas that they're
planning for the big stadium I believe
is the 6th of June and the final do and
the final daf is in fact Monday the next
day so that night they'll legitimately
be finishing it with tens of thousands
if not hundreds of thousands of people
literally on the night of the final do
like they couldn't have planned this any
better.
>> Right. Right. Bam.
>> Pretty amazing.
>> Okay.
>> And then Shuis will be that the Friday
night afterwards. So So how many how
many people Rabbi Heber are going to be
learning for blot on Shuis night to try
to try to catch up to the beginning of
brother.
>> Yeah.
>> Unbelievable.
>> Yeah. Stay ahead.
>> Yeah. Stay ahead is right instead of
falling behind. Rabbi David Heber is
amazing. Rabbi Heber's the art side.
Rabbi Heber's father is tonight. His
name uh Rabbi Heber
>> a small pin husband of Halevi. He was a
beloved in St. Louis in Ferris Israel.
>> Tell us what we're about to hear.
>> And a Rebi in uh in the FC Academy for
27 years. St. Louis
>> beloved Rebi.
>> Tell us what we're about to hear.
>> Oh, so Kak my father made two records
and one was in the early 1960s.
Um and one was in the mid70s. I remember
when he was preparing that record I was
a kid and this is
which he sings very beautifully and
there's one you know one of the pieces
on on his second record that uh master
pieces that uh records that he made that
he published and uh I remember very well
when he was you know practicing.
>> Wow. Number seven aliyah we'll do that
piece right now. I'm assuming the gabi
knows that you have the um tonight I
would assume.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's well
prepared.
>> I take my aliyah. I take my most guessy.
I always take it, not rash. Most of them
take rash. I take yum kipper because
therefore when it's a shabas, I get the
aliyah the shabas before the yard site.
So I always do yam kipper.
>> Very good. And um obviously on Monday
you made a mole during and you'll make
another mole I assume tomorrow morning.
>> Well, tomorrow you can't cuz there's no
toxins.
>> Oh, right. Right. We can't make a
mitzvah.
>> So you tak are relying on the on the one
from earlier in the week. No.
>> Yeah. I make it sh I'll do it. You know
>> by
>> I actually did it by my my grandson's
bar mitzvah was this past week name for
my father. So I actually mi in the sh
because of the yard coming up and we
made him
>> unbelievable.
>> Beautiful. Uh I can't thank you enough.
This was amazing as it always is and
thanks for putting up with all my uh
nitpicking on certain things especially
toward the beginning of the year and the
most important thing is it should be an
amazing very long after all it's the
longest year very long and amazing and
happy and peaceful and wonderful year
for everybody ahead.
>> Amen. And uh your listeners, you and
your family, your listeners should have
a and a good for for
>> Amen. Thank you so much. Um, Rabbi David
Heber, of course, his father, uh, Caner
Samuel Heber, whose 30th yard site is
tonight. Keakto
by Caner Heber here on JM in the A.M.
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