Calendaric Trivia for 5786 and More w/Nachum Segal and Rabbi Heber on JM in the AM

Lot of people in this audience very anxious to hear from Rabbi David Heber. They've been anxious for the last month since 5786 began. Uh today our segment on calendaric trivia with Rabbi Heber is being sponsored again by our dear friends Carrie and Joshua Lavine of West Hemstead, New York. It's in honor of their daughter Shosana's recent engagement to Seth Schlank, the son of Eileen and Michael out in Plain View, Long Island. And Rabbi Heber joins me in wishing the Lavines and the Schlanks a major mazletov uh this morning on a roesh here at JM in the AM. Rabbi David Heber is director of the star information department and rabbi of kahal avis is semic in Baltimore Maryland. If you don't have Rabbi Hebra's book about time I strongly suggest you obtain it as soon as possible. Rabbi David Heber, welcome back to Goody to you and welcome back to JM and the AM. >> Good to your listeners also to the sponsors and it's always always nice to be on especially >> yeah imagine this is the way to do it. Uh Rabbi Heber, uh it's been a difficult for those who are familiar with the Baltimore community, it's been a difficult uh couple of weeks and one of the reasons of course is because your dear colleague, somebody that you worked with and knew for a long time was suddenly taken from us over Yantiff and this has had a ripple effect. The sadness and the tragic nature of the news had a ripple effect throughout the entire Jewish community. It's unbelievable uh hearing and reading about the the tributes to to Rabbi Hower. Um take a minute if you will and just give us your your feelings and you reflect as you reflect on a very special relationship. >> Sure. Rabbi Howard Howard is going to talk had had a tremendous impact on so many people. He raised he raised a level really of not only in his but in the whole community and there are many that mentored him. I have a guest who flew in someone used to come to us for shabas and uh he lives out of town. He flew in just he told me he was at the at the shiva house for four hours yesterday because he said he he felt like an ovel. wanted he just wanted to take in um you know he he had spent a lot of time with Bahau who who really taught many people in many many ways and he was he was tremendous with people in the happiest of times and even in the saddest of times he knew you know I'll tell what to say and how to say it cared for he cared for the yen and he cared for the ram and really a trusted spokesperson for the entire orthodox community and Um, you know, he used all of his talents with with in just so many so many different ways. On a personal note, we came to Nol the same day >> 43 years ago. We actually met in the medish by nothing by chance, but I I remember it well. Um, I remember what we spoke about. He was coming from Montreal Yeshiva. I was coming from Chicago tals and there were two two young Spanish baham from um from other yeshivas that were you know joining in with the other baham in in a colleague in Baltimore um just with these his two blocks down so I got to see him in action and even I I teach in in Malot what's now known as wit seminary which is located upstairs from from his shel and and I was there all the time and we spoke And I got to really see a little bit in action even from the comingings and going. I had to a very very special to trade places with how every time Gdalia we did this 16 years in a row uh until he you know he he he retired and now I do it with with Rose who took over. We trade places by between I go to to to to their to speak and he comes to to our so our had this of hearing him every time and um you know it was it was a beautiful uh um just way of beginning the year and u you know I I'll miss him tremendously. Well, that I'm sure. And the suddeness of the of his loss was one of the reasons why everybody still continues to be in a state of shock. And no doubt the Baltimore community even more uh than some of the communities up here. Although, as you noted uh when he was with the OU, he certainly um represented us well and certainly had an impact on orthodox jewelry and as many have pointed out uh on jury in general in this country and the world. Uh Rabbi David Heber is with us. It's time to check out some calendaric trivia on a roesh morning. And Rabbi Heber, you know what we have to start with. I mean, we have no choice now. Now that we've gone through uh the three Tuesday yabtoim in a row, we must discuss what everybody was discussing during this month of Tish. And that is, and I have to be very careful how I say this, was this the worst of all of the setups. When when you have a >> when you have a yuntiff that could begin on Thursday for a three-day or of course on Shabas, which is seems to be everybody's preference. Although I I mentioned on the air yesterday, I did meet somebody who actually loved the Tuesday start. I can't remember why, but they told me why they loved it. Uh and then of course is the Monday and the two. Now the good news is Rabbi Heber the good news is that the Tuesday Russia shunn uh is only 11 and a half% of the time. So, you know, >> that's right. Right. >> Not often. >> The real answer to your question is it depends on your age, right? It depends on your age. >> I think on your right depends on your age whether you prefer it or it depends on your age whether you remember it. >> Whether you prefer it whether you prefer it. You see, if you're if you're 10 years old, right, then I mean they were off. The schools were closed. >> They miss school for a month. They love it. Right. >> That's right. Yeah. And if you're a working person, you're you're regretting having to tell your boss you need another two days off. >> That's right. Right. Right. It it it had a little bit of a you know, it felt like you every you know, every day I mean the number of days >> of uh of I think my my son made a calculation that from from the day of Arabs, you know, Shabas of >> right >> until through there were 30 of 33 days you either said or >> correct. Right. So the doines were if if I have that stat correct >> and then that and then and then a very and then a very close if not if not um the same stat in terms of how many Arab shabas and yontiff and how many shabasive days total you have in that stretch. It's also way up there. >> Right. Right. Which would mean you basically were either making Kdish or Abdullah every day a little bit easier. I think it was a little easier. Now, I'm not going to speak for all the housewives and and I may get some uh emails, but I know when it's Monday, you come right out of Shabas and you're literally right away Sunday night. B, you know, >> you're ready in a row. >> Right. I made the argument that the Monday setup is definitely better than the Tuesday, but you're right. There are some uh you know, those who prepare the meals, etc. who might argue with that. I hear that. I hear that. Meanwhile, the Monday is 28% of the time while Tuesday's 11 and a half as our Hebra has taught us over the years. The Shabas start, which I think is next year, right? Next year we get the Shabas. >> Next, two years in a row, >> right? Two years in a row. That's 28 and a half% of the time. And the three-day, at least outside of Israel, the three-day for three times is 32%. So, you know, and again, that seems to be the second, even though it's three three day deont, I think it still gets the vote for the uh second favorite setup. And remember, Rabbi Heber, there are consolation prizes. I don't know if you thought of this or not, but I got to I got to I got there are cons the famous consolation prize of course is when yont is Thursday, you get yum kipper on shabas. You have a full week a week for yum kipper and yum kipper shabas. Nobody has to prepare for shabas etc etc. That's that's the the famous consolation prize when it's a Thursday out. But this year, the Tuesday start, I came up with two minor minor minor consolation prizes. You ready? >> Go ahead. Go ahead. >> Number one, three weeks in a row of a very short para. >> Right. Right. Cuz you had you had Right. Right. Okay. Good. >> Second consolation prize. Trust me, the the teenagers are going to love this one cuz I don't know why they react to this so much more than the adults. You ready for this >> second consolation prize? Three weeks in a row of Novi Noah. >> All right. We have to figure out what to do Shabas last week. That's true. That's true. I don't know consolation. That's a short one. I by me I like to look at the whole year and say what's the best like certain things I really like and certain things um I mean I like every let's right up front no matter when or where right but like when I I do the first so for example when pes is Thursday Friday you get to Friday shabs you get to you get to trim your beard >> okay but then that means that we're gonna have that the next two years >> right >> right um >> sader seder Wednesday night >> seder Wednesday night at the same time um you know when the Friday I find it you know hard with because you're coming into Shab all switched up >> right so so that that that that that's hard those three days and so many sets of three days >> right you know those each one is is its own uh >> also also those who are really careful about Schnee Mikra do not like the three-day setup because they go right into braces >> you know and who's in the mood who's in the mood to do schnnera after after dancing some day and night you know so that's always a consideration and by the way just to clarify if you're in Israel you don't make an air of tough shield in this coming peso that was only meant for those inutlar it's correct he >> correct but you will make one on which will be Friday >> right right this year'll do it >> this year oh we're really jumping ahead here this year is going to be quote unquote two days everywhere you like how I put that >> yes >> two days everywhere Well put >> cuz shu is Friday which means in Israel it will be Friday and then a regular shabas we'll have the whole paras off thing right we'll do that again I assume right >> right will be >> together only but not in so it's the one interesting thing of >> and that's all the paras are together all the possible par there's seven sets of parases that could be together >> meaning is double paras every possible double para will be together >> wow >> so you'll be my relat um you know where you have those double primes back and hookas and as you saw of course they only have six possibilities >> because are are uh are never together even be together >> and the shame of it is we're out of practice because this past year we hardly had any double parases right >> well it was it was some right I mean you had because it was a it was a non- leap year so we had together oh right you know those ones in the spring we had ones in the spring but were separate were were separate All right. Mas M this past year were together. I don't remember. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was even even in art everywhere. Yeah. Everywhere. Worldwide. >> Rabbi Hebra's with us. It's a calendaric trivia analysis for the year 5786. Now there's a significant event happening this matz shabas um that I believe and and again the same significant event is happening in another part of the world next m shabas which I believe is very uh um uh a key to specifically 5786. You ready for this Heber? Are you ready for this? >> Go ahead. Go ahead. >> This this coming mate Shabas they changed the clock to standard time in Israel. Next mat shabas, we changed the clock to standard time. By the way, as an aside, everybody, it's the uniqueness of one week of a six-hour difference between the east coast and right. It's one week of a six-hour difference if if people are calling. >> No, >> say it again. >> In the spring again, it's the spring again. >> And in the spring, it happens for much longer. But but yes, it'll it'll only be a week this time. So next week if you have a Zoom call with someone in Israel and you're wondering why they're late, this is the reason because they think it's a sevenh hour difference or if they're early whatever figure it out everybody. Anyway he what did I discover about 5786 while I was analyzing the daylight savings time end in Israel this week and the daylight savings time end in in the United States next week. What did I discover Rabbi Heber? It is a topic that we have discussed before. One of the things they did in this country and you'll agree with this and we discussed this when the whole proposal came up about keeping daylight savings time all year round. Where where are we holding with that by the way is the government still planning on doing that daylight savings time year in >> they they they had some committee meetings about it but um to the best of my knowledge it hasn't gotten past there um and different now it's quiet obviously there's a lot of other things going on in government that they're busy with. So I think this this is kind of a bit lower on on the you know you never know. Does does Jewish leadership know that you're the best representative of our community to argue the case against daylight savings time year round? Do they realize that you're the that you're the authority when it comes to time? >> I I I don't know. But maybe maybe I'll get to go to the Senate one day. If if you push it, you'll you'll get me into the Senate to testify. >> I I could I could just see it now. We can't we can't have the seeking minion at 8:00 in the morning. We can't we can't. Anyway, so what did I discover about 5786? I've always ted it and you've agreed with me that in the old days when they changed the clock to daylight savings time after Pesak we had the luxury of having the Pesak seder quote unquote an hour early right basically 7:30 instead of 8:30 in the on the east coast >> and we had the the again what I believe is easier uh much shorter Tannis Esther and the only exchange was that the PM suda had to be you know started uh earlier earlier than we usually start it now because in 5786 Porim is as early as it is and the United States changes back to daylight savings time afterwards we will have Purim and Tannonis Esther on standard time Rabbi Heber what are you saying to that I'm applauding it I'm applauding this >> that's very good that does happen cuz it it it it's the cut off is uh you know straddles put them so every so often usually right before a leap year which are the earliest of the years which now we're before a leap year. >> We we're we have this ability. You're 100% correct. You know in 2017 we changed the clock on purum on >> it happens again in 2031 meaning on porum Sunday. >> Yes. Yeah. Purum was Sunday >> and we changed the clock in 2017. It happened I believe 2031 it happens again. >> So one second. So two year so two years in a row we'll have a Thomas Esester ending an hour earlier. No, no. 2017 and 2031. No, so next year. >> Oh, I thought it's 2026 we'll have it. >> I thought you meant 2027. I thought you meant 2027. You meant 2017. >> And there are years, by the way, like the one I just alluded to, which I was wrong about. There are years where Tannis Esther is Thursday and then Purim is Sunday and Tannis Esther is an hour shorter and then you get the extra hour for the Suda to start the Suda on Sunday. So, it does happen. It's a crazy experience, >> right? That's nice. That's nice because when it's Thursday also you don't have to fast coming into the into the correct easier. >> Correct. >> In the daylight savings time and Titus Esther in on a regular you know not Arab Porum but excuse me Arab Porum where you're going into McGill like let's say Tus Esther on Monday and then Porum is Monday night and day saving time you really don't eat until the same time it's like Bambas. I check my watch. >> Correct. >> Last time it's like 9:20. >> Especially by you. I think is later by you than in New York if I'm not mistaken. >> A little bit. A few minutes later. We're west. We're west. >> Right. >> 10 minutes. Maybe not 10 minutes. Like Detroit. My brother lives in Detroit. I mean there it's like everything's so run so right. >> They're the most They're the most west you can get in the Eastern time zone. >> Pretty much from a from a from a from Kiila. The latest places are are Detroit where my brother lives. brother. I have uh wife has a brother and a sister. We have Cincinnati. My daughter lives in Cincinnati. There's mountain in there so late. The late absolute latest is Southbend. >> And Cleveland also, right? Cleveland also. >> Cleveland's also very late. Yeah. >> Oh, but South Bend's even more west. >> Yeah. Mark, I think it's like maybe 8 10 8 to 10 minutes. Uh >> now before they used to have a they do they have issues ding even without daylight. >> Correct. Correct. Yeah. I want you we've discussed Mosha stock about this, right? We we've discussed on the era of Mosha what where Mosha's approach was >> when it came to the energy crisis when they went to daylight savings time for the winter I think you and I >> right that the certain it is actually good because Sunday you know daily savings time actually be this is just a important idea daylight savings time begins >> not the first month of Shabas in November it begins the first Sunday in November which means that if if if December if October 31st is on a shabas right >> I'm sorry if if um If November 1st, let's see, it's October if >> Yeah. October 31st. If October 31st on a shop is >> then November 1st, Sunday, they change the clock, right? >> Correct. They change the clock on Sunday. And that's now it's a little better because now this this year we're >> November 2nd, right? >> November 2nd, which is early. Next will be the 1st. So that'll be good. >> Rabbi Heers with us. We're discussing calendar trivia. Final point on this daylight savings time thing because I feel because it's in the news or or you and I still think it's in the news uh that it's it would be interesting to point this out. I was saying to myself, okay, they ruined Purim, they ruined Pesak, you know, with my theory about going to daylight savings time earlier and earlier and we've discussed this and you know ruined of course I'm joking around but you know what I mean. Um so I said to myself, I wonder if they do go to daylight savings time year round if there'll be any benefits or any drawbacks. I came up with one and one. You ready for this, Rabbi? >> Okay. >> If they go to daylight savings time year round, the Sarbetes gets to be an hour later. >> Right. >> We're used to Saravas ending like in the 5:30 area, which is a gift when it comes to a fast day. 6:30 is a big difference. Don't you agree? >> Right. Later. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. >> And then the other start. It'll start you'll be able to eat a grand breakfast. >> That's true. I would have Right. I especially here, we'd be able to have a much larger breakfast than usual. a prefast day. That's true. Nate if if if this would happen then this of course this is the huge problem is that Nate Takama would be sunrise would be in Baltimore at 8:25 in the morning which means you couldn't den even even even the earliest of the earliest with all the tear would be 7 a.m. >> and even that would be pitch black but your fast wouldn't begin till about 7:00 a.m. So you could sit down at 6:30 and you know uh 6:15 and really uh but it's totally totally dark if that would if that would happen. But um yeah, it would be a huge problem. Huge problem. >> And uh Assar Betavves, let me see here. Assar Betavves in New York this year, if we did have daylight savings time, oh my gosh, sunrise would be 8:19. Wow. And that means and that means Alo would be around somewhere between a quarter to 7 and 7:00. >> Boy, you can you can have a whole brunch without a problem. >> All right. So, I was thinking that that would be a drawback. back, you know, servous an hour later. What would be the benefit? You're ready for this Hebra. I wonder if you agree with me or not. In a rabbitic family, this may not be as big of an issue. A drop more of a flexible schedule and those who are tied to their desks at work. But if in fact we had daily savings time year round, we could move the start time of lighting Kaneka candles to an hour later. And that might benefit a lot of families who want to light at the appropriate time, at the best time, but they can't always make it home from work. Now in this area it would be like 6:15 6:30 if we would do that >> 100%. And of course f the biggest advantage would be shabas to start later people who rush home right >> you know who have to leave work early they leave work early that they they would be able to say later I believe is going to talk in a letter >> when this you know was discussed by the by the oil embargo in the 70s and they made that change I think he wrote that that know that the shavage is at an advantage but it does not >> take it not it does not offset the problem with the dominating issue because the dominating issue is so severe >> oh 100% Even though yes there is a little bit of silver lining in some of this but um you know in some place some communities wouldn't affect I mean I was called someone called me about this that >> we're making a big deal in some communities that really start the day later >> right you know where just things get started later so late sunrise wouldn't have any impact >> well can you give me can you give me an example what do you mean to start the day later what does that mean >> no let's say back there since communities they're admining as you mean she I mean she is they start domining. They dominate some start dominant 10 to 8 8:00. So, >> correct. Correct. >> So, the day savings times start 8:25. Okay. We'll start the yeshiva high schools won't be affected. Right. >> Right. Minim minimally. It's it's really the people who are going to work 6:30 beyond >> and and I don't want to simplify this because obviously I haven't seen it in years. I don't remember all the discussions about it. But if I remember something about Ramos Chuva of that era, he was very sensitive to try as hard as possible to keep the minion times their usual minion times. In other words, if there was a way, whatever that meant, whether it meant, you know, adjusting your talis and fill in at the appropriate time during domining or, you know, domining to a certain point and then and then, you know, at the appropriate time taking over or continuing, you know, with the tila, whatever it was, I know that he tried if there was a 630 million every day, it was very important to him that, you know, there was a kas like that for a community that that that he would tr that he would try within the world of halaka to keep it at 6:30. >> That's right. So right at the other place also very important like people like to habitually to come at the same place also at the same time and and otherwise you know I'm not coming like you're fighting hey we just saw this during co you're fighting human nature it took people years to get back to shu after they you after you know for many people I shouldn't say everybody but many people it took a long time to get back to the regular sh routine with all the closures during co imagine this if year round it's daylight savings time could be months at a time that you have to make an adjustment for Davin. And I'll tell you another thing, by the way, >> if this does happen, and I know that we're dealing with this hypothetical, but if it does happen, those workplaces that provide a place to Davin Shakras at 8:00 a.m. or 8:30 a.m., they'll be the heroes of the entire thing because I don't know about I don't know about Baltimore, but in New York, you could find a lot of companies that are open to, you know, shakras and mka being done in their facility on a daily basis, >> right? We have a lot of ma I don't know of any workplace that has chakras because >> there are here ma is all over and I'm sure in New York here in Manhattan there's all this. >> Yeah. But I'm saying even chakras here you'll find if uh if you look hard enough by David Heber is with us. All right everybody uh here's your chance last few minutes. What else do we need to know about the year 5786? Anything about the holidays, the parios? What type of months are we going to be having in 5786? Today we're observing a two-day as it always is. Ro Kodesh Maresh fun what about Kisslave and Tavves? Those months can be adjusted on an annual basis. Am I right? >> Right. Right. Right. Correct. So we're gonna have this year we're going to have uh it's going to be 2930. Kasan is 29 is 29 days. Islam is going to be 30 days. And there are two I want to mention that this year is not as exciting as last year was with all the Purum Fridays and all that. But there's something this year. There are two silent things before I before I get to the a few little tidbits of what everybody will see. There are two silent events that occurred that occurred this year. Okay. Number one is there was a mahas a dispute 1100 years ago as to when Russashan is it was between Babylonia and Arab mayor the year it's it's the 900s. Okay. the 900s this occurred and what was the dispute? It actually kept Russia Shana on different days. >> Wow. >> And you'll you'll you'll hear what I'm telling to you for this year. Well, I'll get to this here in a second. There and I'll be as brief as I can on this, but the the way to determ which is the time of the new moon of the month of Tish, right? >> If the myad is now there's some exceptions. If the mil is on a on a Sunday, as you know, the rice you can't have a shun on Sunday. So we make it Monday even though the mil was on Sunday, Wednesday or Friday. Another it's called what pushes off Russashana if the millet is after 12 noon the rashashana is the next day. So this year we had that. Okay, this year the millet occurred at 12:10 at 7. Okay, look it's 3 and 30 seconds. So we pushed off Russanda to Tuesday. In other words, we're talking about Tuesday versus Monday. It missed Monday by about 11 less than 11 minutes. Meaning had the might have been 11 minutes earlier the time of the new moon versus the sun it would have been Monday >> we'd be already done with now the whole year would have had a ripple effect. >> Oh wow. >> But but we didn't. Now, now listen to this. In in in 112 years ago, there was the the Robin Eric's name was Aaron the mayor. He said the cut off for the milad is not 12:00 noon. It's 12 about 12:35 and and a few. So if the millet if that year the millet fell between 12 noon and 12:35 >> like this year >> they argued like this year like this year they argue in Russash would be in that case it was shabas versus Monday mayor said it's not what's called a rash is on shabas and then they they had rashan on shabas you have kipper on Monday and so on in bal vehemently disagreed and said no the cut is 12:00 Roshashana is on in that case it was Monday this year for the first time in 181 years the last time was 1844 this happened the milad fell in the window between 12 noon Wow >> and 12:35 >> and by the way there's a major major discrepancy you're not blowing chauffeur both days according to one cheita >> correct if it's shab in the case of shabas on Monday right you're not blowing chauffer And you're celebrating kipper on a totally different day. And >> so you have you have people blowing show for one day and others blowing show for both days. >> Right. Exactly. Right. Right. And also fasting kipper which day. So this was a huge and and it it was resolved um the Rambam clearly like and that era they kept like these years come in bunches. It'll happen again in 2029. I know is one of the years and then either I forgot if it's 2028 or 2030 but it it comes in bunches but it has not this has not happened again there's no practical what's called nakam there's no practical difference right >> but it's fascinating this actually was my drussa on on the first day I mentioned this in passing and I we spoke about how has to you know comes to the importance of coming together which you see with they wouldn't be in this case could you imagine you know People talk about in in which we've spoken about on the show in in in Kobe Japan the Mirhiva and other talidum they kept the Yoyam Kipper which day that was one day one year a whole bunch of you know Tidum students had this based on what was coming from and we're still talking about it 80 years later could you imagine if this is persisted so it was critical and the Ram is very clear that 12 noon is the cutoff and therefore was clearly this year on Tuesday and again it rippled the whole year cuz poor was on Friday instead of Thursday and and and so on and that's one silent um event that occurred that was went by pretty unnoticed right >> pretty pretty unnoticed I I had a share on this on any time if you want more details I had a shear back in the fall in the kiss lifetime where this these issues already related on it's it's on any time that's number one number two the other silent issue and This was just a a random thought over yont. Okay, >> we are in the middle year of Shmita right now. Meaning there's a seven-year cycle of Shmita. We're in fourth. >> We are in the fourth year of of Shmita. So we're right right in the middle. Right. Right in the middle. >> Okay. In the 19ear cycle as as right. We have the ninth year cycle and leap years are you know seven times. >> We are in the middle year of the 19ear cycle. >> Year 10. >> Okay. We're in year 10. Right. Right in the middle. Okay. The two of those are in the middle together only every 133 years that you're right right in the middle. >> Oh my god. >> Both both occur. Okay. But listen to this. This I thought of Rashana. Rashashana this year was on Wednesday which is in Yiddish is known as midvak. >> Well Rashana was Tuesday. >> Tuesday. Wednesday. Right. But the second day the only time Rashana is ever on a Wednesday. Either day. First day is ever on a Wednesday. Right. Second day on a Wednesday. On a Wednesday. So you had the middle of the week. You had the middle year of Shmita. You had the middle year of the 19th year cycle has never happened. All three. This is the first time it ever happened. >> Ever since ever since the calendar was was the way we know it. LP you know calculation since 4119. It has never happened. >> Wow. >> Um I may rush out of that also. >> I would imagine. So I mean my gosh people going to think there's a lotion about you last members. I'm very careful. But when something comes across I can't I can't resist. I made a Josh out of the mid the importance of Victor Rambam says like being in the middle of the road meaning not too much this not too much that especially on not being too quiet and you know running away and not being overly exuberant shall we say and running around with safety to the corners of the best measures you know so we don't bring them back. That was that was that was on a more just a few little practical things that people will notice. Yeah. >> Okay. Three this year which we've had many times recently but enjoy appreciate the moment >> because other than this is the last three we're talking about. >> Wow. >> The last time we're going to have three catey besides Tyra for three years 2029 is going to be the next time that it happens. And the longest benching will also have on Shabas Khan. That's not going to happen for 14 years. Um. >> Oh. Because because the three because the three in 2029 is a different >> is a different >> correct. It's it's >> with Exactly. Right. Here's one you're going to like because you always like to My son told me this one. It's the only year. Okay. that you make twice on a Thursday night which is always like interesting because especially after >> so we did so we did we did an kipper >> right and we'll do it m pes >> wow if you're not in Israel >> if you're not in Israel which also is a little difficult for the housewives coming out of you know as communities making >> I remember when pes would end on Thursday and we would have this whole discussion if we should just use matzer try to Kala for Shabas. I remember that because >> my wife will be baking that kala of Shabas. I can tell you that. >> Yeah. My parents were always I think my parents aired on the side of, you know, just in case someone got started a little too early because it was Thursday night. We're just going to use matzabas. I remember that. I don't know why that I I distinctly remember that. Uh but of course that's only in a family where you buy kalas as opposed to what you just said where you're in a family where someone bakes the kalas. So if they bake the obviously they're doing it at the proper time. I'm just looking. So the um >> roesh taves oh it is a two-day or it's shabas Sunday this year. It's shabas Sunday. So basically oh one other thing about this year I wanted to mention Rabbi he which I think you'll laugh at. You ready for this >> for the fam for the families who can never ever get it exactly right because there's two sides quote unquote to every family. Right. You got your family, your wife's family, all your kids have their other side of the family, etc., etc. This year, there are two Sunday nights of Kaneka. You can actually have two That's right. two Sunday night Khan parties in addition to the Mozar Shabas one. >> What do you think of that? >> Good. It's good. 100%. Yeah, absolutely. Now, next year, of course, we're jumping ahead. You're going to have two Shabas Khanas. >> Wow. >> Which we haven't had in quite some time. That creates different schools and yeshivas give off different shabases. Correct. >> But that you know which one but it it has its advantages and disadvantages and and you'd still have three party possibilities. Two matzah is shabases and one Sunday. >> Right. Right. Exactly. Right. Oh no. No. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. It's only one matzabas. You're light you're lighting you're lighting Friday night. So >> Right. Right. That's so you need Sunday. You need a Sunday Hanukkah to get to Mishabas. >> Correct. But the other thing this year interesting it's the only year it's the only possible year that um that you have four tim >> uh so yum kipper was a Thursday will be Thursday tishabove will be Thursday oh and obviously tanester is gonna be Thursday no >> was correct will be what' you say prim was what day of the week >> purim is going to be on Tuesday. >> So Monday's tan so tangal and yam kipper as a set a week apart andos and tishov as a set three weeks apart. >> Exactly. And so it's the only year this type of exact year exact year that we have where you have you know it starts on a Tuesday and and and pesos on a Thursday right >> this type of year will not happen for 27 years. this exact everything will repeat itself somewhere along the way for other reasons but the the year in its complete sake. So so this form is in this type of year only in the same day of the week. You never have for the same day of the week in any other year. So again this type of year 27 years and then won't happen for another 27 years. >> Well am I right that the unpopular Tuesday Russia and of course that's said tongue and cheek be based on the beginning of this conversation uh doesn't happen for another 20 years. Am I right about that? That's correct. That is correct. So poor him on a Friday and that's again something someone sent me an email. Your congregants, how many times have your congregants heard this the last time for 20 years. I said I'm careful but again pes on Sunday and Purum on Friday and and the Hab was on Pesi and oh we had the most days of the week. >> Yeah. >> The most no the most days in a row we laned. We just had we just finished that 11 days in a row, >> right? >> We lane by sukus Arab sukus andag and that again will happen in 20 years. But this this it won't happen for 20 years is now sort of we got one more month of this >> right >> till till Rashadishes kids plays we could say this won't happen for 20 years >> yeah and also and also this was the only year the only setup uh where we laned error rashana you never lane Russashana except for this setup >> exactly exactly >> um >> which means that people with yard sites okay if I get this right right that if you had a if someone had a yard sight on error rush Sana or let's say on Zion Tishray or Arab Sukus, >> right? >> Or um or um you know then then they got an aliyah this year and they won't get one for 20 years on the yard site because >> that's the only setup of laning and if you subtract out you know all those days follow the same day of the week. So they um uh they get a they got an aliyah this year and it's someone that had the yard site on the same day of the week as Rashana like let's say um test uh tish. So this year it was on a on um on a um on a Tuesday they did not get an ali even though they normally do >> if it's usually on a landing day Monday Thursday or shabas. >> Correct. And the same thing with with, you know, in there'll be a bunch of days like that also. Um, >> amazing. >> The math, you'll figure that out. >> Amazing. Absolutely amazing. All right. Well, Rabbi Heer, you know, you know, one thing, I'll definitely think of something after this conversation. So, we'll be able to schedule another conversation with all later on in 5786. That's for sure. >> Looking looking forward looking forward. It's a quiet year, but as we know and and I'm honored to be on your show, there's never a quiet year. There's always fascinating events in the in the Jewish calendar and uh should be a you know a year of braha and we should really we should really have simas and you know you and your family and your listeners and and all of >> a maine no question about it. Um this is hopefully going to be a year of true peace for Amsterd. Been a rough couple of years and now we really could use some true peace especially for our brothers and sisters in the holy land. Uh Rabbi Heber Shak, thank you so much. A happy healthy and sweet 5786. >> You too. Take care. Zagun >> Zazun David Heber our calendar consultant of course. Uh our um segment with Heber as we analyze 5786 is sponsored by our dear friends Carrie and Joshua Lavine of West Hemstead, New York in honor of their daughter Shashana's recent engagement to Seth Schlank, son of Eileen and Michael in Plain View, Long Island. To the Lavines and the Schlanks, we say mazalto from all of us here at JMn. Big thank you to the Lavines uh for always being there for us. Um especially when it comes to our Hebra segment. And not only am I happy to report that Josh Lavine is going to be kazering reviewing this segment at least at least one extra time at least maybe even multiple times. 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