My Journey from the Mind to the Heart || Rabbi Russel Interviews Rabbi YY at Kesher Nafshi 2026

the yeshiva.net. >> Hi, good evening everyone. Good. Good evening. We have a rather unusual evening this evening. I've been sat in the hot chair many times by alier ye my dear friend Rabi Wai and uh we decided to get him back in camp. the autopsy turret. >> And as he did to me on numerous occasions, he has not seen the questions I'm about to ask him. >> But we're going to dig deep tonight. We're going to dig deep tonight. So, I want to return the favor. I remember sitting on a very cold winter's day in the basement of Reverend Jacobson's house. when we did a uh a conversation, I thought it was a conversation turned into a grilling and Robert Jacobson asked me a very interesting question out of the gate. He warned me that his wife had recommended he should not ask this question. But uh in his infinite wisdom, he decided guided by the an that he would ask me the question. The question was gavaldic. I actually appreciated the question because in Kesha we get real. So the question he had asked me then which I think surprised everyone was uh with a big smile on his face he said to me Rabbi Russell he said you're considered an important person in the world of kinuk today. people respect you and they you know they you they follow your advice. So perhaps you can comment on how it was that you had six kids off the deck. This was his opening question live to the world. It went viral. There was a 100,000 hits in three months of this thrasher. So we get real in cash. She said I want to return the favor my dear friend. I want to know if what did your wife had to say about that? >> I didn't tell him. I didn't tell her. I didn't even ask her cuz she for sure would have said no. So I remember in 2020 we were at Kesha Nafi in the rally. I think it was the first time we had met properly. Was 2020 I'm pretty sure. Although I' >> before Corona >> before Corona although I'd listened to you and very much admired you and but it was the first time we met and I that Kesha was when I gave the three foundational drushes I think we called them going deeper about trauma and I remember you sitting in the all the way in the back on the left taking copious notes. I was so surprised. I thought you would come in. You know, speakers, they're busy. They got a rest. But you sat through it. You sat through it. I was very taken back. I was very surprised. And you sat through and since then you have entertained us Aesha with your amazing version of Shiman Russell speaking about the amygdala the amygdala the the limbic the this that the prefrontal cortex you've entertained us with that many many times but I saw you took it to heart I saw you took it to heart and it became very real and something I witnessed in the last six years if I may a a transformation in Rabbi Yby Jacobson. I saw something shift, something changed. It was uh remarkable to watch the man in 2026, in 2020, the man now is a different man. Something changed. Something shift. And uh and we've all been we have been the beneficiaries of a shift. We we've we've noticed. What can I tell you, my friend? We've noticed. And so I'm wondering what you could share with us about that evolution. What happened here for you Aesha Navi? Something changed, something shifted. And I wonder if you could comment on that and share that with us. We've heard you do it bits and pieces, but how you would put it together? What can you tell us of that? It's good either mascul say you have the right to be silent. You have the right there's no rights here. So we could talk about this for six years I think but maybe to give uh just at least you know one aspect of my own journey would be I grew up uh in a very very rich intellectual environment. I should say extremely rich intellectual environment. Um and I took that to heart. I uh I tried to study diligently to internalize to understand to comprehend ultimately to teach and uh I found with God's grace with Hashem's help a lot of success and in that as my life was evolving things were not adding up what should have uh been a very successful life and it appeared to many I assume as a very successful Very much so. Very much. >> And it was successful in many ways. >> Sure. >> On an internal level, >> a lot of cracks were showing up. >> Not in the presentation, the PR world, but in the internal world, the world world of Pineus, which as we know counts infinitely more than the external world, even if nobody knows it. And what I mean by that is in terms of my own marriage, in terms of uh my own children and in terms of my relationship with myself. I had inklings of it before because uh you know what comes up are things that are usually embedded in very deep places but uh I didn't have the I would say the courage or the bandwidth or even the awareness to be able to know exactly what was happening. Today I could say it was a gift that so many cracks, you know, when cracks show up in the walls of the house, first you ignore them. There's a leak here, there leak there, you call the plumber, shine, $50, $100, but then when the ceiling caves in, >> it's like, yes, >> you have to wake up. So, uh, a lot of things started to happen there and it took me on a journey. It, uh, I always tried in my life. I tried to be honest. I tried to be earnest but frankly I was suffering from I would say unconscious trauma. uh one of the profoundest forms of it was I didn't know this today I know it was uh almost complete disassociation and what I mean by that is in my own experience and as a coping mechanism because God has given me a certain type of brain and certain talents I substituted experience with intellect >> so if I can understand something and appreciate it and share it with others and really feel the beauty of it. That for me meant experience. There were certain wires inside of me that were cut and uh the world of real visceral emotional experience I didn't know about. Not because I didn't want to know about it. I simply didn't know about it. And uh I really be believed in a very deep place that intellectual comprehension is what an experience is. There was a whole universe which is really the core of the human experience that I wasn't aware of and I could compensate for it because I always had empathy. I understood certain things in a very deep way. I even could preach about trauma >> very well. Very well. Right. >> And it wasn't fake. I like I understood it. >> But I was It's fascinating to me how much I did not know what I didn't know. And there was no way I could find out about it. It wasn't that I was trying to be arrogant or or foolish or in denial. I wasn't trying to be any of these. I was actually I I like to know the truth. But the the the our coping mechanisms or my coping mechanisms are so powerful that they do not tell us what we don't know. So it's like I was living in a reality that in many ways was very blessed and rich but in many ways was cursed. It was uh extremely extremely shut down from experience and without even knowing it. What I did see is that the people around me who were supposed to be closest to me were getting were being pained by me that I saw. C can I I so appreciate what happened and your you know honesty about this. I'm thinking about this group and people listening to this, you know, I like I say, you came here to Kesha and something started happening here. a process began here uh if I'm correct and and and it's probably no gaya to what you're saying right now to an awful lot of people in this room and I wonder if you could sort of broaden that for them bring them into your experience because I think something happened if people say something happens here that changes you know to tell a person you're going to come for shabas and after shabas you're going to walk out a different person you're really resonating with that idea that that's what happened and and I wonder if you could share that experience for yourself that happened right here. It happened in that experience here at least if I'm correct that's what we witnessed. >> It was certainly part of it. >> Yeah. >> Um it was a journey that was extremely I went on a journey that was very very vulnerable very deep. you were part of that journey yourself because my wife and I had the privilege of uh meeting with you on an ongoing basis connected to our children and I think in one of our first sessions you looked at me and you said that you have a stonewalled face there's something about your face that is not alive um you said that there is uh you told me that when you started to work with Russian clients in Lakewood you thought they all suffered from aspergus. This is how a how a Stamford Hill gates boy classifies the whole Russian Jewish community asperers. And then it took you some time to realize that no, Russians don't have asperers. I mean, some Russians, I'm sure, have asperers. Some English or Brits or Americans have asperers, but Russians have something even more powerful than asperers, which is uh the Stalinist regime, the Zarist regimes were so horrific that millions of people were forced to shut down emotionally. And under Stalin, it was even worse because he turned families against families. If you informed on your mother or your brother, your sister, you were elevated in the in the program in the in the communist uh party. So that was a tremendous incentive. So you couldn't trust anybody. So emotions really were were were shut down and you know you were asking me you know what's the history of my family and so on and so forth. So you know this started a very profound journey. Um I need to give tremendous tremendous credit to my wife who you know >> because of her uh >> because really while to the world I was a hero, my wife would not settle for anything but my most authentic self. >> Amazing. And that was a gift because sometimes other spouses would settle for a lot of blessings that I provided but not my wife. She would settle for nothing besides my most vulnerable authentic self which I did not know about. >> Correct? >> So that was a challenge but a infinite gift and I say infinite because it's the gift that you can only experience when you're ready to crack open all your defenses. You know there's a line I think I'm not sure I once said it perhaps here I forget where that one can get to know oneself the most through the most intimate relationship one can see oneself reflected back >> and I think that's what you're saying that >> you saw yourself reflected back from her >> and it wasn't something you wanted to see >> right >> it's remarkable I mean just remarkable what happened and I think really for all of us here it's such an inspiration. I can tell you for myself to some degree I think my wife requires that of me too. And if you notice how she conducts me when I speak >> she's sitting right here and watching every word. >> Yeah. Exactly. You know like >> no drama. No she's my conductor. And and if we can have that relationship with each other where we can reflect upon the best and bring out the best and and push for authenticity. I mean I think that's a word I've heard you speak about again and again. It seems to become the the central theme in your life. I've heard it in your drushes. It comes up almost every time you speak this word authenticity >> because in my own journey I never realized how important it was for me. I never knew in fact I would have said about myself that I was an inauthentic person because there were a lot of parts of me that were inauthentic cuz I was shut down for myself. So even without trying I was inauthentic. I wasn't trying to be inauthentic. I was just inauthentic cuz I was fragmented person. my outer life and my inner life did not match up. I wanted them to match up. I wasn't trying to be a con artist, >> but they just weren't matching up. And uh I also realized the torturous component in my presentations. There was something I worked very hard on my presentations. I built them. I structured them. Um I knew what a crowd needs to hear to be able to be uplifted and inspired. And people were touched and moved. But that somehow that wasn't coming back to me. Something was strange. It was almost like when I finished a lecture, I was often craving the feedback of the audience terribly. I needed to hear from people that it was life-changing, that it was amazing, that it was incredible, and I was seeking it. I would stick around after lectures >> to be able to get that feedback. And it was still torturous. It was not doing the trick. It took me a lot of years and inner work to realize that a lot of these lectures were actually driven by trauma by a need for external validation which could never be felt. >> I can get a million views. I can get 7 billion views. 7 billion views. I know at the moment there's no seven billion people using the internet, but maybe with AI, I don't know. We'll see. and 7 billion views will not be able to compensate >> right >> for the lack of internal authentic connection >> correct >> and with internal authentic connection I don't even need one compliment >> that's right >> so uh that really was uh was just an eyeopening transformation for me to be able to start feeling what is it to feel my own energy >> so let so let me give you a feedback without you running off you don't have to hang around. What you've done for us here with your authenticity, showing up the way you do in the vulnerable way is simply and I I think I speak for all of us is part inspirational. It's partial inspirational. You're the best. You really are amazing. Anyway, enough of grilling you. Let's let's move on a bit. I actually came. >> Yeah. >> There was some time ago at Kesha Navi. >> Yeah. >> You were sitting at one of my presentations and you were shing a lot of nas I saw >> because uh I've done a lot we have done me and my wife and I have sat with shin. It was a zoom zoom for quite a few years uh uh with a lot of different challenges in our own lives. And uh you came over to me afterwards and you said you did it. You did it. you did it. Uh my wife would come home from Keshani and would always marvel about how uh authentic you were and your wife was about your own struggles. Um you know people there's a lot of Jewish conventions let's face it a lot of conventions and shabbatones and retreats and a lot of speakers some of them are better than others but uh many of us have become so used to listening to speeches that are just simply inauthentic. And it's not that the speakers are the speakers are fine people. They're saying good good ver but it's all vert right very rarely do you have somebody get up and speak about their breakdowns their temptations their addictions their insecurities their their failures in a real way not just I have a yates thank you you know not very vulnerable to say I have a yates good morning you know other marishians had a yates and even like thank you and that was very in it was more than inspirational it just it it created a paradigm. I think you and your wife and many others here just created a paradigm of what it means to live with authenticity and that not only it's not a burden or shameful but on the contrary it's the only way to be free and you said I think in Israel when we were in where were we in Taria Kashani in Israel >> I think you said then if I'm not mistaken one of the times you said that what is Kashani doing for you and you said that if every time you peel away another layer of shame. Another layer of shame. Another layer of shame. >> Correct. >> Um, in many ways, I don't mean to dumb it down, but what do you think, you know, the gula is going to look like? The gula is going to look like a basic endless kesher navi conversation where everybody No, I'm serious. Where where if you're not being vulnerable and authentic, just shut your mouth. like >> it's and the truth is that I find that the Jewish world is sick and tired of any presentation that is not vulnerable >> correct >> and is not completely completely authentic. We are done with ideas and insights and perspectives. We did it 2,000 years. We did it well. I should say 3,338 years we have mastered ideas. And I think what everybody's searching for is embodiment. Experiential embodiment. >> That's correct. >> That was a gamecher for me. >> Amazing. Just amaz and and it's it's the essence of what we hope everyone coming for Shabas will peel off one of those layers. >> Yeah. Uh, I remember I I forget which Keshani it was at where we did the piece on shame and we actually I don't know if I should do it now but maybe it's a little risky but we had everyone just take 30 seconds and just think out loud just think to yourself about someone important in your life who you have not yet hold the truth about your struggles. And just take 30 seconds, everybody, to think about someone who's important and you were just too embarrassed and you haven't told them the truth yet. I'm not going to do a show of hands, although I should. You could do it. You could. >> I wonder if we should. >> You could do it. Sure. >> We're talking about vulnerability and authenticity. So, let's uh >> So, I wonder whether we can just put your hand up when you're ready to commit that this week before next Shabas, you're going to tell them. You're going to tell that person. You're going to share something you haven't shared. It's amazing. There are hands, major hands going up on the men's side. But I want to tell you, I want to tell you, they're all want they decided to tell their wife. It's okay. We don't Thank you. We don't have to. We But you understand the concept. If we go home ready, listen to what Rabbi W is telling us. Peeling off those layers, becoming authentic. is what we're all craving >> at the core of our souls. And it's the only thing that frees us. It's the only thing that makes us free because what are you worried about anymore? Someone's going to say, "Russell, you got these kids off the dare. Didn't you know?" I said, "No, I had noticed. I don't really I don't live at home anymore." >> Exactly. My wife takes care of it. I should also add one more thing and that is in terms of our relationship with Hashem as Jews who are grew up with Tyra mitzvah everything is about our relationship with Hashem and I have to say that although I never had serious doubts in God's existence I mean here and there you know like I guess every thinking Jew I mean once in a while but it wasn't serious doubts in God's existence but what I never knew was what it means to experience the divine Right? I didn't even know the concept. I did not know what it is. And I grew up in an environment where, you know, very very avatured with nister, with kabala, withidus, which is all about experience. So I saw the concepts, I like the concepts, but I never knew what it is. I simply did not know what it is. I could talk about it. I it was inspirational but I never actually experienced in my nervous system the and it wasn't even spoken about it wasn't even an expectation it was all about understanding understanding at least the way I took it I'm not judging or talking about other people and only years later I'm 53 years old I would say for for half a century my entire Judaism was intellectual >> um it was obviously some emotions you know I'm not I'm not a so sociopath psychopath >> I would have told you um it was this journey and maybe one of the most important consequences was I can't say constantly that wouldn't be true but there are moments that in my nervous system I can experience my divinity my soul and anybody who experiences knows that the bliss of that moment surpasses any other joy in the world. There's no vacation, there's no trophy, there's no physical award that even comes close as a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the nervous system bliss of experiencing Hashem even for a millisecond because it's something that's transcendent of time. Now, if I would have heard this a few years ago, I would want to know what drug this person is on or what hallucinations they're having because this didn't seem like normal language. And now it's the only language that actually is meaningful to me. Any other language doesn't mean much to me because I never knew that if Hashem is real, it means it's real in my body, in my chest, in my heart, in my bones, in my cells, in my nervous system. real man is somewhere in Gmorrah in in mitzvah in higher worlds and and and the whole purpose of creation is that intimate intimate relationship and by the way the moment I started to experience it I realized that the focus of my avoid hashem is not healing my children it's not fixing my children that's an escape of dealing with my own relationship it's a good way of numbing my guilt and making sure my kids become perfect, beautiful Jews, whatever that means for them. >> This is this is so important what you're touching into now >> that we shift away from defining my existence, my purpose by making sure I fix my kids. You know, I mentioned the rashi at the last conference. I was I was nervous to even bring it up. the Rashian where the POS says that told us and Rashi tells us why does it interrupt the heck have told us told us and Zagashi in the second not your kids. The ick told us of a person is not his children. It's not a mistake. It's not an interruption. It comes first. >> Yeah. I should say one of the very impactful stories that I heard from you at Kasha Nav and you said it publicly. It left such an impact on me because I asked a question to myself was when you described in a very vulnerable moment but to the public >> a conversation that you had Friday night. >> Oh gosh. when you were leaving your shabas table miserable because it was a colossal failure of a shabas table. No mirrors, no diva. What you call a cataclysmic failure. Shabas is the highlight of a yiddish shahome for everybody, right? Whichever group you're from, like shabas, shabas, shabas. >> Yeah. >> And it's when your daughter said, >> "Oh, I was so depressed. I couldn't even I could barely mumble kittish out of my mouth." >> And the line that your daughter told you was the way I remember it. He'll correct me is Tati, how was this religion doing for you? >> Yeah. >> The actual word she said that killed me, changed my life, was it doesn't seem to be that your Judaism is doing very well for you, is it? >> Yeah. >> And what I took from that was you said that that moment you became a bouva. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. What that means was what she was saying is if Shabas is real, if God is real, even if nobody's around the table, where is your relationship with Hashem? Ah, your Shabas is fake. You just need the image of the Russell family. >> Yep. >> Gracing the room, making you feel like a success story. >> Of course, >> BMG 36 years, Tom or whatever it is. Hearing that story put me on a path to cha. I'm still working on becoming a Bouva. >> Yeah. >> But it's it's it's such a powerful message that comes only from these culture. >> Only from them, >> right? >> It's like so your Shabas is real or your whole Shabas is just fake news as our president likes to say, our president. >> Yeah. We we actually my wife and I after that my I'll give my wife credit. She's amaz saw it. And my wife so many times saw me in this fake relationship. I'm not sure she understood it. She never said it or articulated that you're being fake, but she knew it was wrong. But she always gave me space to find myself, to work it out, to understand it. She didn't mus me. She gave me the space to to suffer and to cry and to think and to work it out. There's something awfully wrong. If I'm so depressed over Shabas, then apparently, you know, you know, that's where I first understood and we talked about this many times about my Shabas table. You know, it's not God's, it's mine. What's he got to do with him? It's mine. and you're going to behave at my shabas table. And it was, you know, we broke free of that. >> And I see that that's happened. It's just remarkable. >> I'm so grateful you're saying it. >> There was a moment that was very embarrassing for me. You know, Purim, a lot of people come for Shalakas. >> Yeah. And one of my children at the time decided to remove his yamoka. And he made sure that Purim day he would be on the first floor as all the guests came in to visit Rabbi Yway on Purim. And this is the time as a rabbi you're supposed to show off your merchandise, right? Everybody comes, they're in a good mood, they want to say, they give you a hug, they give you a kiss, right? the experts leave a check whatever it is but everybody everybody's coming to to you know be inspired whatever all the good things and suddenly it's like this man who's talking around the whole world about love love love love love love and inspiring people and experiencing our relationship with our children and here we go this is the merchandise right and uh I shared it with my wife simply my shame, my embarrassment. I was smart enough not to say a word but internally it was very very painful and uh somebody who I look up to was a mentor of mine. He said something very profound to me some time later. He said actually your son is so spiritually sensitive that he is actually making a very profound statement from what he has seen in his life. He is like, "If this is what the yamaka represents, I don't want to have to do with it." Only when he discovers a yiddish kite that is truly divine and authentic, will he put on his yamaka again. He is now actually taking on corruption that he is observing that he does not want to have to do with it. So, not only should you not be embarrassed, you should actually be proud of him. It was, >> you know, if I can resonate to that, one of our sons who'd gone off for a few years was struggling and then he found his way back in a conversation with him. I'd asked him, you know, like, "What was that about for you?" And his words to me were, "I needed to vomit up >> wow >> the Judaism of my childhood, of what I'd seen and witnessed, not just with us, but in the community, the schools, you know, the whole experience. I needed to vomit it out so I could drink in a new one." >> Wow. >> You met him. >> Yes. Yes. Well, >> yes. >> And he embodies it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I should just add, you know, it could come across to some like there's some romantic experience. There's a lot of pain in this. There's a lot of shame. There's a lot of pain. It's not like, you know, I'm talking here and it's like, wow, I'm so cool and chilled with all of it. There's a lot of grief. There's a lot of pain. It's not simple. It's not like a journey where you let go of your ego forever. It's important to acknowledge both sides. There is pain. Of course, we pray and we want our children to be mitzvah to be filled with shamay to be filled with a shamay to be able to observe and celebrate the mitzvah and live with anoid mulada is not uh out the window. This is the dream of a parent. But what we often confuse it is with educating our children for our own sake or educating our children in a way that we fully show up to the journey that they're on and really can be here for them in the way that they need it most so that they could find their soul. So it's actually allows us to show up with more love to actually be with much more presence. So actually the most loving endowment we could give ever to our kids is us living authentically with simra in our own Jewish life >> without saying a word to the kids. Not a single word. >> Just embodying simka >> and authenticity in our own life. And I think because of the trauma that many of us have in a very deep way and many of us unconscious of it and not just men but also many women very unconscious of their trauma. The reason I'm saying this is because women are sadakus they're namanis and they have miser and because of the nephish of women sometimes it's easier to cover up blind spots. I'm saying this with a lot of empathy. So all of us have to look at our real blind spots. And when we do, we could suddenly really discover that our children were actually a distraction. It was a way of avoiding our own relationship with Hashem that we were not dealing with. We never touched, we never felt our heart. And we wanted our kids to compensate for our own void. I saw that within myself. And the moment you really start having a relationship with Hashem, you think you're better than Dan Amel. You know what Davalik's kids looked like? I mean, I don't know if you're familiar with the story, but you could read it. It was a disaster. Never mind about, you know, some of the big names in our tradition. But what happened was they understood that it all begins with their own relationship. Like it's everything is about their own relationship. And the children feel it immediately. I mean when our children sense the sim that their mothers and fathers have with a hashem and with each other it's a gamecher. You don't even have to say a word. You'll see in seconds the demeanor of your children shift. >> Expand upon that. That's so crucial. >> I saw them I saw it in my own life. My wife and I thought our job is to heal our children, to change our children, to fix our children. It was coming out of love. It wasn't coming out of hate. It wasn't coming out of maliciousness. That's what good Jewish parents are supposed to do, especially Yiddisha and to a certain degree Yiddishatas, if they're not out for lunch 24/7. I was out for lunch a lot and for breakfast and dinner. Uh what what what we realize then is that it's actually the other way around. Our children's it's might might sound funny but I heard this from my wife. Our children's souls have taken upon themselves with miserious nephesh the task of cracking open their parents because you could look at something very stat you could look at the statistics. This was I think at an early keshi shabat. Ask most mothers in this room and most fathers. Which child went off the dak? Is it the one who was least sensitive, most brute, least intelligent, most coarse, most careless, most self-centered, or it was the most sensitive, the most empathetic? The one who Friday night when you were exhausted at 12:30 a.m. was the only one who stayed up in the kitchen and helped you clean up. The one who came over to mommy in the middle of the night and said, "I love you." Because he knew or she knew that's what you needed. And that's somehow the person who at 17 years old abandons the ship. So as I once wrote to a mother, I think I sent you the email. >> Yeah. >> Do we really think that a gilgal of Dr. Mangala went into your daughter and she decided to join the SS to destroy the family forever? Cuz that's what the mother was describing that her daughter is an evil 17-year-old shed who has a dbuk and whatever. Is that really what happened? that a Nazi soul somehow went into her. Is that that what happened? Or maybe if her whole life she was such a refined person, there's actually something deeper that we have to look at. And is it possible that some of our children, the holiest of the holy, the most sensitive of the sensitive, have undertaken a grueling task to usher in our generation from gullis consciousness into gula consciousness. That's what I feel in my bones. I'm not a ni. I don't have I'm not a reb I don't have any information about this. I'm telling you in my bones I feel that a lot of our children I know from my children I know some of your children I know some of your children are very very holy people very sensitive I told I told at the kdish today I told the I was walking through my kitchen and I'll tell you what you hear from your child in your kitchen you won't hear 10 years in therapy and your children do it for free your children do it for free you don't have to spend $25,000 They'll sit with you 4 hours from 12:00 to 4:00 and they'll tell you all your issues and they won't even ask for a dime. They'll do it the next night again. They'll do it the next time. Ah, they charge you, huh? They charge you. Okay. Okay. They're smart. Yeah. I'm just walking through the kitchen. I think my child was cutting an apple or maybe a piece of meat and he just looks at me almost like Derek Hagav. He's like, "By the way, Ta, when you'll start embodying what you teach, you won't have to use so many words." Boom. Next. Continues cutting the steak. Shine. Tati want a piece of steak. I'm like, "What?" He's like, "Yeah, when you start embodying what you teach, you won't have to use so many words. That's it. Next." Right. How much does that cost now? Of course, my animal trauma consciousness, right? My prefrontal went offline at that moment cuz this is an attack. He's telling his father who's 53, 52 years old, who supports him very nicely, the I don't believe anything I say. I don't embody. So, I wanted to say, well, how dare you? What do you know? Let's call my students. Let's see. That was my infantile four-year-old that was just wounded. Um, thank God due to my own work, I could watch that four-year-old go crazy. I could give him a hug and say, "You're safe. You're safe. Young Wa, you're very, very safe. Nobody's asking why why you were created." Nobody's asking that. It's fine. And my adult self or my more evolved self or my divine self could actually listen to my ch my my son and say, "Wow, wow, that's powerful." When I start embodying what I teach, I will use less words. I can't say that that has been fulfilled yet as some of you know. Maybe by the next Kashi if I do a little more chuva. If I do a little more chuva, but the this is a precious insight and this is not coming from a 60-year-old. This is coming from a young young man. Where did they get this information from? I would have even thought of telling this to my parents. Not because I didn't even know about this frequency. Yeah. Last Kesha Navi Gdalya asked me to speak to the teenage girls. So I went to speak to them. I was with my wife and we asked one of So I was telling the girls was saying how her mother is a wreck, an emotional wreck because of her brother went off the derek and how much she's suffering. So my wife or I asked this this this girl 16 years old at Kesher Navi in the Raleigh where was Raleigh right last time and I I asked or Estie asked a girl do you share this with your mother did you tell this to your mother how difficult it is and she looks at me 16 years old and she's like what my mother doesn't even have the bandwidth to deal with her own emotions she doesn't even know what she's feeling you want her to deal with my emotions forget about it. This is wisdom of a 16-year-old who understands that her mother doesn't even process her own emotions. Now, I want her to burden her mother with her emotions. Right? These children, the last of the last is so I don't know, there's something in me that tells me that these children are helping us all usher in a new era of healing in the Jewish world. Unbelievable. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Wow. You know, I just just uh he reminded me of a story that happened to us with our eldest daughter when um you know, after all the journey and the crazy she was the first one and we went through such craziness with her and uh and then she got engaged and she got she engaged got married to a guy she could have had they both not gone off it would have been a totally reasonable and and it ended up that way anyway. and they found each other. They were boyfriend, girlfriend. There was a I mean, the stories are are crazy what we went through. But at the she um she bash and we got to the kasna and uh I got a message that she didn't want to go out to the cabalis pond uh until she spoke to me. She had to speak to me. I thought she wanted to break it off. I mean, I was in Pak. I ran to the room and there she was. Beautiful, beautiful 19year-old girl leaning forward with two tissues and mascara laden tears flowing down the tissues. She's trying to avoid her gown. And I come in and it's like I was shocked to see it. I said, "You know what? What? Leave it. What? And she said to me, I mean, you talk about the Hikite of these kids. And she said to me, Tati, she said, I can't go out until you m me everything I did to you. That's what she said. This sweet head and aes put the right words in my head because you know this is divine. Like you say, it just comes. It's just there. And when I looked to her and I told her that you don't have to ask Mahila because you gave me much more than you took from me. You gave me so much more than you ever took from me. And and that's this. When we open ourselves up to our children, they actually gift us. They take us to a play. Look at us too. They took us to, you know, we're both reasonably successful people and we would have done fine, I think, in life. No, at least you would have for sure. >> Paid the bills. But it the kids our kids took us to a place of of of love of honesty, vulnerability, of relationship with our kesh with ourselves and with others that we simply would never have got if not for where our children took us. >> Yeah. And I think that's the gift that's this gift we have here. You know, to people starting out here the first time, that may seem almost bizarre. Bizarre >> and even non-empathetic. We should just mention that. >> Go ahead. >> No, it's important to understand that it doesn't take away from the fact that often we can experience deep anger and pain and let down. And I've heard from mothers and fathers who were very honest and very loving that there were moments that they felt horrible things about their children. There's even parents who in desperation sometimes say things that they're very embarrassed of. You know, I say, "Father once told me, I wish my child was dead." >> I can tell you that there were occasions when and it was because I couldn't reach that particular child. It was not because I I hated her. You understand? I I felt so lost. I couldn't reach her. And she was in so much pain. >> I just I I kind of hoped an 18-wheeler would come and just take her back and give an Ashama to someone else cuz clearly I'm failing. >> Yeah. >> Clearly I'm failing. >> Yeah. And we have to acknowledge that. >> And I had those feelings. >> Yeah. It's important because if we deny them, they will haunt us. They will come back with a vengeance if we all become sadikim now and like it's a gift. Let all your kids leave you dishkite to give you the gift. Even those who are from throw them out into the streets. Get them expelled from all the yeshivas. Right. Bring your tattooist into the house on chabas. >> On chabas. >> Yeah. And keep the keys in the car and say go to the movies. Here's money for the movies. Like >> it's just >> and a a a season's ticket to McDonald's. Exactly. Exactly. And then a trip to the Bahamas as a reward for giving us all these gifts. Uh and it it's just important to understand like when we're not allowed to amputate any part of us. This is so important. Like we need to hold space for all our parts. Our disappointments, our frustration, our anger, our pain. Because if we repress or suppress any of it, suppress means consciously, repress unconsciously, it comes back in a passive aggressive way. And our anger towards our children will come out in a clever sly way. When your daughter comes down from the bedroom, you will in a clever shrewd way denigrate her. Not because you weren't at Kashavi, because you didn't deal with your anger. So we need to hold space for all of our emotions including the ideas that what you're hearing now is so contrary to how you grew up like that's not somebody mentioned today a very wise woman mentioned today at the kdesh she's like are we being taught here at kasha navi in her words to raise snowflakes kids that are as fragile as snowflakes shouldn't the goal be to inculcate resilience it's a Great great question and this is how so many of us have been trained. A lot of our parents or grandparents were Holocaust survivors. Without resilience there would be nothing left to qual. And how much did they deal with their emotions? Let's face it. How many of them dealt with their emotions? Many of them had to completely disassociate just to wake up in the morning. We have to acknowledge it and honor it and appreciate the fact you told me right about a family that told you that our shittita is we don't show love to our kids right >> and Rabbi Russell said you know you don't have to turn the Holocaust into a shittita like it's basically crazy trouble not to blame anybody but but people had to shut down their emotions too much pain like it's not their fault it's it's Hashem Hashem did us all like we also have to have a lot of compassion and a lot of respect. It's very important that when we go away from here and I know I struggle with this, it's very easy to become arrogant. It's called enlightened arrogance. Baser mentioned finemeckers. We're the ones who discover the truth about and that's another just as one side of arrogara. We all are humble servants of Hashem. All of us and those of us who have had the gift of opening oursel up to Hashem's messages have a privilege to share with others. But there's no room for real judgmentalism because you always have to ask yourself, I basically dealt with my coping mechanisms and others are dealing with their coping mechanisms. And as my 14-year-old loves to make fun of me whenever I'm stressed, Tati, don't worry. You're doing the best you can with the tools you have. Right. And we have to remember that about all of us. So it's just I think just important you doing the best you can with the tools you have. You don't have to be anxious. I'm like wow. These are 14y olds today. Who thought like this? Amal who thought like this? You had to have three PhDs to say something as intelligent as that. And even then if you went to Harvard forget forget it. But even then such wisdom such wisdom they are so evolved. It's incredible. I talk to Bram sometimes, right? And I'm very open with them. The Rashivas are cringing, but the boys are all like, "It's fascinating." And all the ADHDs are the most attentive. Yeah. One ADHD kid tells me, he says, "Rabbi W, you could have spoken for 12 hours." I'm like, "You? You're like the poster boy for ADHD? I mean, the medic the big farmer uses you should use you as a poster boy, right?" And he says, "No, no, people don't understand. I'm ADHD if somebody is not hitting the spot. >> That's right. >> If you hit the spot, I'll sit for 12 hours. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, you you talk today to 15y olds real without any masks, they're like, "Wow, normal. It's it's it's a it's an amazing gift to bless a generation." I'm sorry for not being so pessimistic about our kids. They're amazing people. They're amazing people. So, so, so let's let's just >> They're not narcissistic. You know, people say they're all narcissistic. Really? Your kids are narcissistic? I know you narcissism like I'm a frog. I am a frog. You agree your kids are narcissistic? >> No. And their mother is also not narcissistic. You know that. Don't make like this. Your mother is not narcissistic. Take it in. Take it in. So, so just let's tease this out just a little bit more. What do you think? >> It was a therapist who once told my wife that I have narcissistic personality disorder. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Wonder who that was. I was testing the waters. when you agreed with me, I knew you weren't. >> So, let's pull it out just a little bit more because I love the direction of this. What do you think that for us here, let's start with us and then in general, that most parents in this generation, certainly us, most misunderstand about our children? What is it we misunderstand the most about these kids of this gener because people say all this rubbish you know I said over the story with le you know how when he say he said there's no such thing as everyone went crazy I had gone in and asked him >> like the whole tuming you know we seebah it doesn't make sense right and he said to me two words >> self-defense Wow. >> It's not. >> What do you think most of us in this generation, us here, and in general misunderstand about today's children? I I I it's hard for me to give that broad di diagnosis because I'm not you know this is not my particular expertise but just from my own experience >> right you counseledled many many >> I think my own experience and I think many others is that there's a deep voice in us that simply wants our children to comply and we'll do whatever it takes to comply just comply like it's 8:30 just go to school just go to school I don't care if you're in the mood if you're not in the mood, if it's a good day, just get out of this house. Like somehow it makes us feel safer. Like it's shabas. Like just do the right thing. Just take a shower. Just go to bed. Like everything. And it's not anybody's fault cuz that's how we were raised. Like show up externally and that will prove to all of our caretakers that were safe. Show up externally. And our kids are not doing that. And it's driving us crazy. So we try to bring them to professionals, whatever that means, so that they could show up again externally. And I think we all need to take a deep breath and realize that our kids are actually helping us heal and telling us, Tatia, mommy, you don't have to show up externally anymore. You know why? I want you to actually have an integrated experiential blissful encounter with the divine 247 and I'm going to show you how to do it and I want you to learn from me. I mean they're not doing this consciously but I want you to learn from me and when we can go in and like I don't need my kids to show up externally. I want to be able to heal me. I want to show up authentically. And then you will notice that your children are actually very much alive inside. And I think that changes the paradigm. I still have to work on this every day because my survival coping mechanism instinctively like reacts like just let's get this straight. Let's get this straight. It's 9:00. You're not in school. Okay, you need a snack. I'll take you to Wesley Kosha. Let's get a snack. Whatever it is, just let's keep the chess board complete, organized, safe, and somehow the world will feel safe. And when our kids are not responding to that, it drives some of us crazy. And I think there's an internal letting go that needs to happen, a very deep sense of trust in Hashem and in our children who are created in Hashem's image. And really surrender almost everything. Not almost. Surrender everything and really be fine. Really be fine. Put on the music in your kitchen and just start dancing. Dance like a mishuga. Just dance. Dance with your kids. Dance with your spouse and celebrate. And I think we will notice that our children have a very deep and rich life that only that way we'll be able to cultivate. That's what I feel. >> What a beautiful answer. Thank you. Thank you. Let me let me throw one more at you if I may. You've been here with us in this you know the unfolding Kesha Navi movement for many years and you know that we put a constant doggish on you know obviously we talk about attachment. I mean you've made fun of it enough times that you know you you know that it's a central theme here. >> I never knew that before. I never knew that. What do you >> I didn't know how much attachment I need. I didn't know it. I did not know it. >> I did not know it. I think you knew it growing up. How much attachment you need? I did not. >> Yeah, I did. >> Um but due to my own circumstances, I never knew that I needed attachment. I thought that I need to learn, I need to understand, I need to teach, I need to explain things, um I need to be a good person, I need to be a moral person. But I never knew how much emotional attachment I need. Today I know and I feel that attachment is the core of all of existence. >> Explain. >> It's the reason why Hashem created the world. >> Explain. Explain. >> It's the DNA behind everything. It's the backend program of the universe. It was Hashem's yearning for attachment that propelled everything. Yes. It all began. Hashem is perfect but Hashem somehow wanted attachment. I want a relationship with you. That's attachment. It's not just psychology that realized in the last few decades the value of attachment. All of yusheskite is one message. God craves attachment with each and every single one of us. And that matters more than anything else. So on every strata of existence, attachment is everything. We crave attachment. We need attachment. One of my epiphies, emotional epiphanies was when I looked into myself and I'm like, "Oh my god, all I want is attachment. I didn't know that. I didn't know that." And then I realized that my seeking validation was a fake compensation for attachment. Cuz if you could tell me after my speech, you changed my life, that made me feel that I had attachment. Of course, it was fake. It was meaningless, but for a few minutes, it felt good. In the absence of real love, I opted for validation. I think there are a certain many of there are many of us who do that. At a certain age when our heart gets broken into 500 pieces, we don't feel we can experience that subconsciously. So we go to the second best option, but it's a fake option and that is get validation from people cuz validation feels like love. It's not like it. >> So I've learned that and then I realized it's all about attachment. Like there's nothing really else going on. There's nothing else. I mean the BMPv nailed it in everything when he said everything is about dus. There's nothing that's not about veas. Either you're attaching yourself or you're detaching yourself. Like I learned this in my marriage. There's no such a thing as being neutral in your marriage. There's no such a thing. Every good morning, every good night, every what's going on, we're late, we're early. What are we doing? Either I'm getting closer to my wife or I'm detaching. Means I once heard from the becomes the word In all of your ways, you can experience intimacy with Hashem. Connection. Everything is either connection or not connection. It's all about attachment. So, it's so liberating because it really made me realize first of all how vulnerable I am, how much I need attachment, how much we all need attachment. And everything is about attachment. There's really nothing else going on. And that was a gamecher. Wow. I have to say that I to the point that today and I actually saw this in in a discourse from the Bal time but I never I would never even begin to understand and he maintains and he was quite an intellectual that there's no such a thing as an idea idea ideas are fake things everything there is is only a scythe and Hashem shows that certain elements of infinity should be able to be structured also intellectually but don't detach it from infinity >> don't allow that to detach It's all experiencing the divine. Some things Hashem allowed us to experience also intellectually and that was it's resonated so deeply. I don't believe anymore that there are ideas. I don't think there's such a thing as an idea. There's something called truth and some truth we can understand and it's amazing. But it's all about truth and if it's truth it's about Hashem and if it's about Hashem it's about attachments. >> Wow. That's that's just amazing. Amazing. and and Nell is >> so I really any conversation that's not about attachment I have no interest there right >> I have no interest there I'm serious now >> and it's such a liberating thing to say >> I hate small talk I always did I'm not very good at social stuff uh I have to do but I I never liked it but >> this is sophic >> yeah yeah listen we come back to aspberers but uh no no I really I really feel that any conversation that's not about real attachment with each other or with Hashem is just it's not worth having. It's it's fake. It's superficial unless it's a continuum of attachment. The truth is as follows and this I could say from experience. The only conversation that is worth having in life is a conversation about Hashem and that means it's a conversation about attachment. It could be a conversation about our own relationship, but that's a conversation about Hasha. It could be a conversation about something you said that hurt me, but that's a conversation about attachment. It's a conversation about Hasha. I think everything else is just dumbing down our energy. And we should we're too We're too grand for that. >> I don't know. I don't know if I can reach high enough, but I'm going to try and bring it down a little if you don't mind and bring it back down to us here. >> What did you put into Mahavdala tonight? What do you have? >> It's like the I have to reach high for this, but let me let me slap it. Dear, let me see if I can bring it down. For us, going home to our children. >> For me, too. >> For you. Exactly. We're all going to go home to our Just Let's take it to this place, you know, as we finish up for tonight. This is just too amazing. But um obviously I see well you've not just embodied all that we've been trying to talk about attachment from day one. >> That's why I took notes. I I realized you're describing the brain. I knew >> something happened with you. I watched it. Am I right or wrong? >> It was crazy. >> Well, I heard what you were saying. You were describing the brain. Now, I happen to love neuroscience. I love I I happen to love to figure out how we our systems work because I think it's the most incredible divine imprint in the world. Like what that brain looks like. It's incredible. You were talking about it. It was amazing information. But I also felt I feel energy very deeply and I felt it was true. I felt it was true. I knew that you were describing symptoms that I could identify in myself. I just didn't experience what you're talking about. So, as far as I knew, you were just preaching a foreign language, but in my curious self, and I have to admit, when I hear good information, I use it. I'm in the recycling business. There's nothing I ever heard that's good that I don't use. If it's worth it, it's I'm going to use it. So, if I'm hearing good information, there's a real shalma over there. It's like my trauma self was what can I use from Rabbi Shiman Russell's neuroscientific analysis that will make my speeches interesting, compelling, psychologically uh intuitive and insightful. There was that element there. I don't remember exactly what my intention was but right. So it was uh it's it's really so so important you know to understand what it means when we are completely functioning with our lower parts and we are we are offline you know it's like I never knew how to I never knew how angry I was to be very honest I was so I was so not in touch with my emotions I remember I was once sitting at a therapist's office in my a close friend of mine later became a close friend of mine. He was a the good therapist. And uh he looked at me and he said these words and they were life-changing. He said to me, "The response you gave a few minutes ago either comes from somebody who's completely stupid or who's very angry. You don't seem completely stupid, which means you're very very angry. Why are you so angry?" And it was the first time I looked into myself and I realized I was angry. Growing up, I wasn't allowed to feel my anger. We weren't allowed to feel our anger. We weren't allowed to. And we had good words for it. >> So, not feeling your anger means you're not. The problem was I was angry. I was I just wasn't acknowledging it. You know what I mean? It's much worse. And suddenly I realized I'm actually angry. And that took me on a beautiful journey. Why am I angry? Wow, somebody's getting to me. I'm hurt. Oh, I need attachment. There's an the wounded attachment. That was a very very uh insightful journey for me to be able just to open myself up to these human experiences. So, so let's let's frame as we end this, you know, we can go on all night, but we have to end somewhere. Let's frame the ending um within the uh our understanding of attachment and yourself embodying these ideas of attachment and knowing you're going to go home I don't know tonight tomorrow you're going home back to your children and we're all going to go back to our children and take these the theme of attachment practically bringing it down from the anai for a minute if that's Okay. And and bringing it back into our kitchens and our living rooms and our dining rooms. What do you like could you give guidance, advice that you would use for yourself? >> Yeah. >> As you as you re-enter the world, you come out the bubble, Apollo, you know, lands and they and they enter they exit the spacecraft. >> Right. Again, I'm going to speak from my own experience and I hope it can resonate and I'm going to try not to speak in words of a scythe but in very very practical words and that is I realized at some point that for me attachment was the most important thing that means I could deny it from today till tomorrow and I used to deny it unconsciously but my attachment with my wife my attachment with my children is number one priority it's all really based on my attachment with myself which is my attachment with Hashem You can't really be attached with your wife and children or your husband and children if you're not attached with yourself which means you're not attached with Hashem. And then I realized that that is not just a priority but that is the priority. >> That means any thought, word or behavior which will cause detachment between me and my spouse and me and my children will be a betrayal of my deepest authentic self and desire. And that's a choice I have to make 24/7. I may be angry. I may be overwhelmed. I may be stressed. I may be anxious. My children may say something very disturbing. I may encounter a very difficult moment. I may disagree with my spouse. She may disagree with me. But anything I say or do or even dwell intellectually on behaviors that will cause a rupture in the relationship is actually the deepest betrayal of self. that has become for me I try I can't say I'm always succeed but it has become a guiding factor the next comment and you you told this to us you Shiman shared this with us when we were working with him the next comment you're going to make to your child is it going to cause attachment or is it going to cause a rupture you might say beautiful things you might say that's don't speak to me that way that's not a bad thing to say right or this is my house or you're shamay or there's ganed and gehenn they may be beautiful things the question is attachment or detachment it doesn't mean I don't have all these drives and motivations but that's for me a very very guiding principle because I know in my bones I've learned I've experienced that attachment is the priority and I can't deny it anymore I used to deny it I used to think I have other priorities I don't it's a game it's a sham am rib shim from day one I have to say and I always marveled on that you never denied that that's your most important need you never denied it somehow you knew that I >> I don't know your mother your father somebody >> my mother gave it to me I didn't realize I had it until I struggled with my kids and kind of lost it and it was when I woke up to realize together with my wife we woke up to realize but then I you know I I I had grown up with the gift of attachment and it was relatively seamless to understand that and feel that >> it's powerful because your kids don't do homework even in very innocent ways. They're not saying at the Shabas table. They're not sitting at the Shabas table. The seder is not working out the way you want to work it out. They're quitting school and your whole system wants to yell and scream and beat them into shape verbally or emotionally and stop, pause, breathe, maybe do some push-ups and then ask yourself, are the following comments going to create attachment, trust, or is it going to create a rupture? That's the question. Ribshim has guided us with one of our children who would come home, come down in the middle of the night and complain about the horrible parents that this child has. And he would say, "You're getting angry, but don't go there. Smile. Welcome them." And just ask yourself, "What comment can I make that will simply enhance attachment?" Even if it won't be registered right there, the child won't say, "Oh, Tati, you're an amazing attached father. I dig your attachment. Wow, I love attachment. We all love attachment. Let's go for a tensil. That not going to happen. But in that child's psyche, this will be registered. And this accumulates in a very very profound way. And I find that that's one of the most incredible things we can do constantly. Uh we once struggled with one of our children and uh Rib Shiman gave unforgettable advice which was life-saving and he said and I assume you've shared this with many other parents as well. He said, "You're right for wanting to end whatever you want to end, but under these circumstances, if it's going to create a lack of attachment, the most important healing medicine that your child has, you're going to take away from them." At a Kesha Navi conference, you once said, and I think it was one of the most important things said, and it should be said with a 100 disclaimers, that this is very sensitive information. So maybe you'll want to add that, but I'm going to already make these disclaimers. But said something that I feel is critical to understand what attachment really means. The question that was raised was if your child is addicted to a tablet or a phone and they're not watching Rabbi Ywise clips, they're not even watching our sessions on YouTube with a 100,000 or 200,000 views. They're not even watching Trump's speeches on Iran. changing every few hours, right? They're watching things that you and I know are very inappropriate and damaging, porn, pornography, etc., etc. And the question is, do you confiscate? Do you confiscate this mazik, this malikov, this sultan? And you would think it's a no-brainer. Of course, you confiscate it. And answered, and I remember it almost verbatim, counterintuitive, brilliant, authentic, and real. He said, "There's nothing as damaging as a teenager addicted to pornography, but there's one thing more damaging than that, and that is when they don't have attachment." Because if there's going to be healing for pornography, it's going to be attachment. The antithesis of addiction is not sobriety. The antithesis of addiction is attachment. All of our grandmothers had hip surgery at 86. They were given cocaine for 3 weeks in the hospital. They didn't come back full-blown addicts. At least not my 86-year-old grandmother. You know why? Because they had attachment with around 49 grandchildren or in Satmar 129 grandchildren who were jumping on her bed. Cuz the antithesis of addiction is not sobbriety. The antithesis of addiction is attachment. >> Beautiful. >> That's the truth. So, so if this 17-year-old girl or boy are going to heal from pornography, it's through attachment. It's through love. It's through a real relationship with their parents and ultimately their siblings and ultimately themselves and ultimately friends and and and Hashem and all that. So said if by confiscating that satska you are depriving them from the only chance of attachment cuz now Tati and mommy are the enemy. Unintentionally you have secured the perpetual horrors of pornography. And that means that sometimes you have to choose the lesser of two evils so that that daughter or son knows they have a father or mother who are attached to that. That advice was incredibly insightful cuz that was a real ev what attachment means. Attachment doesn't mean let's go out to a restaurant that's great. Let's play Monopoly deal. Amazing. Let's go on a hike of course. Let's go skiing gavaldic. Of course it means that too. But what it really means is when you're making a tough decision, a really tough decision, something you don't like, something you hate, something your soul protests, something that's against everything we believe in and everything we want for our children. And yet you know that sacrificing their relationship with parents is depriving them from the most important medicine. And therefore, don't do that. Don't do that. That is extremely extremely powerful advice, >> Rabbi W. Why? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. What can I tell you? >> You're I'll just make a disclaimer. Rabbi Russell or Rabbi Jacobson, we're not saying that it's a good thing that people are addicted to XYZ. That should be misconstrued that we're making a new It's horrible. We know it's horrible. It's against of course it's against forget about it's not something that healthy people do. They don't look for pornography. They look for real relationships. We know that we're talking when there is this crisis. What is the medicine you're going to give them? Of course, we don't give chemotherapy to a healthy kid. But when a kid is suffering, the question is what is the medicine you give and what is the price of not giving that medicine? because the medicine has damaging damaging side effects. That's the message. I just wanted to make that because there are those who will often misconstrue these messages. You thank you for your authenticity. Thank you for your vulnerability and thank you for what you brought to us. 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