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Okay, so I'm not exactly that excited
about recording this, but there's a
reason why this has become necessary,
and that's because this is a call that I
receive fairly frequently. And I figured
that if so many people have this issue,
maybe it'll be helpful to just put it
out there on a public forum where people
can find it when they need it and let
the algorithm do its magic in getting it
to the people who need to see it. And
the the topic is women, specifically
women, who will reach out and say that
either they
believe sometimes they'll say they
believe their husband has an addiction
to pornography, or sometimes they won't
use the word addiction, but they'll just
say that he is watching pornography and
um that it's an issue. But either way,
whether that they call it an addiction
or that it's just something that they're
not they're not comfortable with, um I
wanted to address this. Now, I want to
give a major disclaimer before anything.
And that is I'm a rabbi. I'm not a
mental health professional. I do speak
about issues that I suppose many people
would consider to be within the domain
of mental health, but I just want to be
very clear about my credentials, what
they are and what they are not. Um, I do
speak a lot about I I don't speak often
about it, but I in I have in the past
spoken a lot about addiction recovery. I
just want to make it clear I'm not
coming from a perspective of being an
addiction counselor. I am coming from a
spiritual perspective as a rabbi who
counsels people and uh I hear all types
of things. anything anything that
happens within the human experience I
end up hearing about and trying to
respond to in a compassionate way and
hopefully a productive way. So that's
the disclaimer. you know, if uh if
you're interested in a rabbitic
perspective from a rabbi who has had
this conversation in real life hundreds
of times,
um
here's your opportunity to have that
conversation without having to find my
phone number and get a hold of me. There
you go.
So, uh the first thing I want to tell
you is like this. No, it's not your
fault. In fact, it has nothing to do
with you. I know the argument is made by
many people that well if he were
fulfilled he wouldn't look elsewhere.
People make that argument with some
measure of indignance. Actually uh many
men make this argument with some measure
of indignance to imply that the the
women force their wives their husbands
uh like almost like you gave me no
choice but to um to do this.
That's
not a legitimate argument. Adults have
agency. They make their own choices. A
person who has uh a moral code that they
live by can make choices, even difficult
choices, even painfully difficult
choices, to not indulge in things, to
refrain from things. And uh when someone
doesn't make that choice, rather makes
the opposite choice, it's not because
somebody else
forced them to do it or or made it too
hard for them to make the right choice.
It's absolutely preposterous. Now, I
want to add to that and tell you,
I don't even have to add that add to
that because I think everyone knows that
an adult has agency. And from a moral
and philosophical perspective,
human beings have free will. Okay? So,
no, nobody could force you. To me, it's
it's as
it holds as much water as saying, well,
you know, this woman bothered her
husband so much. He she forced him to
hit her, right? He
same to me, it's about as legitimate as
an argument, which is zero that
legitimate. Zero legitimacy. Okay. But
that that's that's the first thing I'll
say. But now I want to add to that and
say the following.
I don't have any statistics. I I told
you before I'm not a mental health
professional and I don't even
particularly read up on this subject.
So, it's not like I have studies that
I'm quoting from. I'm speaking purely
anecdotally, but I I have I think more
experience than most people. So, for
whatever it's worth, take it with a
grain of salt. My personal anecdotal,
albeit anecdotal experience with um
these situations,
my experience has been
that many many times, in fact, I'd say
the the vast majority of times the wife
has been more than accommodating
in the intimate
area of the marriage.
It is not a case where she is
denying him and um depriving him but to
the contrary where she has made herself
available to him to such an extent where
an an objective third party meaning me
who's catching a glimpse of what's going
on would say her behavior toward herself
self in the intimate relationship lacks
boundaries and self-respect. Meaning to
say she is going out of her way, bending
over backwards to accommodate. And and
and accommodate might might sound like a
passive aggressive term. So let me just
make it clear. We're talking about
people, women who by any rational,
objective, logical criteria, you would
say their husbands should be very
satisfied to say the least in this area
of the marriage. And the fact, so my
point is to bring out the fact that
these husbands are looking elsewhere is
not because they're being deprived.
They're not being deprived. To the
contrary, I would actually flip it and
say it's not that the husband was
deprived and therefore his going to
pornography. But to the contrary, flip
it because the husband is into
pornography which causes male brain to
objectify women. So he's treating her
in in a dehumanizing way. He is
emotionally and physically um
just vampirizing her in in a very
parasitic way, very dehumanizing way,
just trying to extract as much physical
pleasure out of her as he possibly can.
And and and and she's used up. And and
again, this is anecdotal, but I'm just
telling you in the majority of cases,
and you're going to say, "Well, you
heard her side of the story. you heard
her side of the story. That's true. Yes.
But I'm also taking into account where I
heard his side of the story and I put
together both sides of the story. And
it's a it's this is the typical scenario
where unfortunately
for reasons that have nothing to do with
her,
he has fallen into a trap and that trap
is is forcing him to
be deprived not by her but by himself.
He's depriving himself of the ability to
be satisfied in his intimate
relationship. So, that's the first thing
that I would make very, very clear. If
you are the wife in this situation,
the odds are, and I'm not saying there
aren't exceptions. There may be
exceptions, but the odds are, in my
personal experience,
um, this has nothing to do with you and
you've done more than your fair share.
Okay, that's the the typical scenario.
Now, the question becomes like, what's
the way forward here? like now what what
do you do? Does this have to
end a relationship? And and the answer
is no. Obviously, it doesn't. I don't
know if it's obvious, but I'm a very
strong proponent of keeping marriages
together even when it entails going
through severe challenges and working
through that, working past it. No, it
does not have to end a marriage. The
question though is from your side. if
you're the wife, like what's your what's
your move now? Here's what I'll tell
you. Let's let's go to the scenario
where a woman is convinced that it's an
addiction. She uses this word addiction
and she's insistent that her husband
gets help. And very often, by the way,
the call that I'll get is the wife will
be saying, "My husband needs to come to
you for some type of treatment, which
just to be clear, I do not provide any
type of addiction treatment. I provide
spiritual support to addicts in recovery
sometimes as a nonvocational thing.
Okay. But what happens is you know
people know that I wrote a book on
recovery and so I have sort of a
reputation being you know adjacent to
that to that world. And so a woman will
say my husband has to come to you for
you know for help. I'll say but I don't
first of all I don't offer that kind of
help. Second of all why isn't he calling
me? Why isn't he calling me? Like here's
what I want to tell you.
It is not your responsibility if you are
the intimate partner of the person who
you think has an addiction specifically
in this area. Let's say a pornography
addiction, sex addiction, whatever it
is. Not only is it not your
responsibility to be the one who gets
them help, but it's so
counterproductive. It is so
counterproductive.
Don't worry about how they're going to
find help.
He's a big boy. He's got Google. He he
knows people he can ask. He'll find
whatever help he needs to find or not.
But you're um setting an assignment for
him, you know, giving him like a
checklist. Not only is it not
facilitating healing
to the to to be totally frank
in my experience that sort of cat-and-
mouse game of like I caught you now I'm
going to oversee your
correcting of the situation and it
becomes it becomes I call it a cat-and-
mouse game because it is it is a game
and it becomes this like preoccupation
where I guess in some ways I understand
it's like a woman feels this sense of
betrayal which is incredibly
destabilizing like it's like your whole
life that you thought you had suddenly
is like the rug is pulled out from under
you and then you're trying to get some
feeling of control back and so very
often the feeling of control or the
attempt to get some feeling of control
back is like okay I'm going to outline
for him a program or a a an agenda or a
regimen. This is how he's gonna get
better. He's gonna
that itself becomes such a a toxic
dysfunctional
preoccupation
that is so it's just not it's not
conducive to healing a relationship.
It's not conducive to any type of
responsible adult intimate relationship.
My advice is like this. You want to know
you're the wife in the situation. Okay.
What should I do? What should I do? What
should I do? What should you do? Have
your own
standards and boundaries. Don't worry
about his standards and boundaries.
Whether he's going to get help or he's
not going to get help or if he's going
to ever watch porn again or if he's not
going to watch again or he's going to
get a filter on his phone or he's going
to get rid of his his smartphone. You
don't worry about it. That's not your
problem. To take back your power, your
agency, your sense of emotional
autonomy. By emotional autonomy, what I
mean is, and this is to me the most
important thing, your ability to be sane
and serene and have your own life, even
if he is acting in ways that are
completely
offthe-wall. Okay? Your path is for you
to figure out what your standards are,
what you're okay with, what you feel
safe with, and what you don't feel safe
with, and make some decisions based on
that. Like, what are you okay with? What
can you live with? But can't you live
with? So instead of trying to like force
him into a certain way of getting
better,
let go of that and say, you know, that's
between him and God if you're a
spiritual person. And I highly recommend
if you're in a situation like this that
you should either um become a spiritual
person or even if you're already a
spiritual person to double down on your
spirituality to say that's between him
and God.
And as for me, you know, I'm the wife
talking here. I have to look more deeply
into my own sense of
what kind of life I'm okay with and to
make some decisions. You know, a
boundary is never about what the other
person needs to do. That's an ultimatum.
And and quite frankly, if I'm talking to
you right now, and if you've made it
this far into this video, let me ask you
a question. Did ultimatums ever work?
Right? Did threats ever work? Did
manipulation work? Did sweet talking
work? Did being tough work? Did being
sweet work? Right? You tried everything.
You tried everything. You're exhausted.
Okay. So now, congratulations. You get
to let go and say, "I'm not here to
govern your behavior. You're an adult.
Do whatever you want to do. I'm not here
to govern your behavior." When I make a
boundary, a boundary isn't what your
behavior has to be. No. No. To the
country. The exact opposite. A boundary.
When I set a boundary, a boundary is a
statement, a clear unambiguous statement
about what my behavior is going to be.
So, for instance,
it it sounds like like a semantic
difference, and it's but it's not. It it
it's completely different and it the
experience of it feels different.
Completely different. If I say to you,
you are never to watch pornography
again, that's not a boundary. that that
that's a that's an ultimatum, a threat,
whatever. Cuz I'm talking to you about
your behavior, but flip it and let me
say if you watch porn again, I mean, I
don't know if you will. I can't I'm not
I'm not going to try to catch you. I'm
not spying on you, but if I become aware
of it, um my boundary is whatever. And
then fill in the blank. And and if it's
something so severe as I will then not
feel comfortable being in this marriage.
Okay. I mean, God forbid, I don't like
when people rush to the end of a
marriage. I I I try to encourage people
to do everything to save a marriage. But
if that's your boundary and that's what
you need to do to feel safe and to feel
that you have integrity, then that's
your boundary. But again, that's your
boundary, meaning you're communicating
clearly what your behaviors are going to
be based on your standards. And when you
can do that, you start to take back your
self-respect, which again, you know, the
main injury here is, you know, that that
that betrayal wound really does damage
to your self-respect. And all those
compromises that you probably were
making in terms of your own boundaries,
your own autonomy, you start to take
that back by having clear
boundaries about what you are okay with,
what you're not okay with. And and that
to me is the most important
most important aspect of your healing is
to examine the ways in which you may
have given away your own emotional
autonomy, your own ability to
make decisions for yourself about what
you're okay with, what you're not okay
with, and and to sort of like put your
life on hold in some way. You know,
that's a very common feeling that people
will have. you know, I'm putting my life
on hold until this person, till this
other person starts to act normal again.
And my greatest hope would be that you
don't do that. You don't put your life
on hold. That you reclaim your dignity
and your sense of emotional autonomy,
irrespective of what this other person
chooses to do, even though this person
is very close to you and your lives are
interconnected in in serious ways
because because it's your your spouse.
Th those are the basics. Basic basic
basics. I would also encourage you that
if you do believe that it's an add an
addiction, then you know you know if
you're pushing so hard for him to have a
program of recovery, like I told you
before, that's not really something
that's going to be healthy for you to
focus on too much, whether he gets help
or he doesn't get help. But what I
highly recommend is that you get help,
that you pursue a pro a program of
recovery. Um I'm not here to endorse
particular um programs but I I'll just
mention that you know people know a lot
about like 12step programs for addicts
like let's say alcoholics anonymous what
people don't know so much about is the
corresponding program for the friends
and families of alcoholics like Alanon
and so too you know there's essay
Sexholics Anonymous and there's other
12step programs that deal with sex
addiction as well that's just a
well-known one that's why I'm mentioning
it but then there's which is for the
friends and family of uh members of of
well they don't have truth is to be a
member of ESN it doesn't have to be that
your qualifier meaning your spouse is a
member of uh essay maybe they should be
a me a member of essay but whether they
are in a program of recovery or not you
can be in a program of recovery and and
I and I understand that not everybody um
resonates with 12 steps and you know I'm
not telling you have to do that I'm just
saying that the the main concern here is
that a bomb just went off in your in
your in your face and you are reeling
and you're just trying to get stable
again. You're trying to feel normal
again. And I'm saying that in many many
cases the path back is going to be to
learn to focus on yourself.
um take back your self-respect, your
dignity,
um your sense of personhood,
and that that very often is a is a
powerfully spiritual path. And that in
12step programs like Essinon, the
aforementioned Essinon, that's a really
great way for that to happen. Or or
you'll find other ways. There are many
many ways to recover, many ways to um
to heal, but that's just one that I've
seen people have a lot of success with.
At any rate, um I I hope that whatever
you're going through will that you will
find clarity and resolution quickly. I
don't know if it's necessarily
the kind of clarity that you want.
Sometimes we get clarity and it's not
the outcome that we wanted. But just in
general, I think clarity is better than
the lack of clarity. And um I wish you
God's blessings of uh
knowing what the right thing is for you
at this moment and having the the power
and the conviction to uh carry that out,
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