"Moshe Yess' Jewish Child INTERVIEW" Tali Yess - The P'nimius Podcast with Uziel Naparstek

[Music] you're listening to the pus podcast with uzan the parsik before I introduce our next guest I'll have a little story a few weeks back I did a reaction on Jewish child which was covered by yakushi and eth day in Tales and I had it scheduled and released for mavas so it went out of M shabis after M chabas and a few like a half hour later like very little time I got a comment from t s saying some information up behind the scenes of the song and it really touched me that that we that I got such a comment from the original singer from that song so um especially when his father composed that song and so I comment back and we had a little exchange you can find that in the video and then a few weeks later I got a request to interview him and I thought that was a great idea especially with with such a which such a start of me getting to know him so I got in touch with him and we interviewed talas and we went really deep about the history with him and his father and his father's history of music and entertainment and and going more advance and ahead of his time when it came to entertainment for Jewish uh entertainment so please join me as we go bimus with [Music] ralas NEOS I [Music] won't you come and join us oh great a podcast sh we're about to start all right here we are with the legendary Tales who is a singer of his own right and also he is the son of the famous legendary Mishi yes who has produced many alum album I also collaborate with one one of my favorites ay Rottenberg and literally changed a lot of Jewish children childhoods with a lot of good content like videos and uh stories from AR video and also with mus story tape here we are with his son Tales T rebes welcome to the pimos podcast thank you thanks for having me what an introduction oh you deserve it thank you so uh I I guess we're interviewing you so if you could tell us a little bit about yourself um about myself okay so uh my name is tal s um my father as you mentioned was MOSI s I'm one of six kids um I'm also as I said a singer as well I do a little bit of a little bit of singing on the side it's not my day job but it's uh it's something I try to do and in the family among my siblings I was like more Musical one we all a little we're all a little bit musical but at the very least but um but I'm the one that actually kind of took it seriously from a young age and so naturally a lot of the uh you know when my father had passed um a lot of the responsibilities of handling and managing and all that stuff with the music side of things kind of fell on me because at the end of the day it was it just made sense and it was you know uh I kind of just fell into it um I myself kind of fell into doing music um you know outside of like the the production side of things kind of by accident I always wanted to do music but more of on like a Arrangement you know composition that kind of thing not necessarily singing even though I was pretty you know pretty decent voice growing up my brother and I were in a choir when we were younger um SCH suff also known as SCH used to be the choir Master until he moved to I think forget where he moved he moved out of Montreal we had another moved to Florida actually right I'm not sure if that's where he moved directly from Montreal or if it was uh if you made a pit stop somewhere else in between but um that was like in the early early days of that choir we had a guy Amil Bender Who was our choir Master for many years afterwards then around bitv I kind of got out of the choir my voice was changing and I had to focus on my R Mitzvah and uh it kind of Just Like Music although I was like playing instruments back then it was more of like a background kind of music kind of thing like doing Sim and Shas and thing more of a keyboardist and then my around my late 20s I bought like a piano like a fullsize like electric like weighted Keys piano and it kind of was I don't know like a whole different instrument like you play keyboard your whole life thinking it's oh it looks the same it's bun of keys but really it's like a whole different a whole different vibe and um my early 20s I uh I kept trying to play guitar and failed and then I finally bought a really decent one and I think I dropped like $500 on a used one that looked a lot like my father's um growing up and I I I like it would hurt my Jew too much to to give it away so quickly and give up so I I really found like uh on the time and patience to work around all the challenges I was having and eventually I picked up as like a second instrument and always wanted to play like him he was like as you know like my father was like a legendary guitarist um like even like yesie Pento would be like watching him do things when get blown away and yes he is a legend in his own right and so uh I was never able to really uh invest the amount of time that it takes to get his good as my father got like I just didn't have that kind of time but I got pretty good um well enough that I could teach it you know at Le the basic stuff to lot of kids I remember I had a a show this year on Kaneka in Houston and I a couple of my talum from the missan myy that I taught music to showed up there so it like really cool I was like oh look at that um and I I remember like uh growing up like a lot of us you know growing up there wasn't a whole lot of options for um how would I say this I I don't want to say it and and make it sound bad because a lot of really cool Jewish music out there but I mean like the cooler sounding Jewish music it didn't sound like like it came out of the shuttle you know it sounded like American that's kind of what made my father's music very special he was like the first to really uh you know how would I how would I say this to really like you know make Jewish music with Jewish content but make it sound less Jewish and more like polished and professional and American and whatever refined maybe not just refined I mean but he came from a professional Hollywood background so it was a whole different like a a different type of music and a whole you know different understanding of genres he who's a virtuoso in a lot of different types of genres some that people never really wrote Jewish music in and and mainstream Jewish music and he he kind of was all over the place like he um he he didn't stick to one specific genre Whatever the song called for he just uh he just kind of Applied the the most appropriate genre to really evoke the right emotions an emotional response to to whatever song he was doing he was a master chord Smith he did really complicated chords which made it very difficult for a lot of us to try to play some of his songs I remember like the when I was first um trying to like just uh put my first piano to good use I was trying to show people you know like different tutorials on how to play some of his music and like classic songs songs that like I should really know very well like my Z which I probably heard more times than anybody else I know other than maybe my father um and I I I remember I was just I was I was giving like the simple easy course to play it I remember um years later when I kind of like put myself out there a little bit on social media um Remy G Remy guerreri who's like a oh he's a brilliant brilliant brilliant musician and he was like listen his story his story his his life story itself is like crazy oh yeah he's like a musical rebba you know yeah he was like he was like I can't I can't you know I can't in good conscious hear you like doing this like you need to like know that that there's the few chords that you're missing in in the song that will make it a whole like you're and I took music in University for almost three years or so like I should have really known the reality is was that I was just trying to make it simple and easy that that and attainable you know but there's like the easy way and then there's a right way you know so he was like uh you know you forgot to see major 7th over here and you forgot the you know the E suspended fourth over here not very complicated CHS but kind of extra little flavor that when you add it in all of a sudden you're like oh yeah that's the right one so he was he remember it sent me like a couple of sheet music he does the Sheep music for like everybody in the business like anybody that wants it done well they go to him so he um he reached out to me sent me that and I he actually taught me the proper the the proper chords that I should be playing for my8 because I never really took a time to to to to go through them the way I should now I'm a lot more careful now I'm a little more choosy about what I do um and I take the time to put music together as opposed to rushing into it it's something my father didn't do he didn't rush into things um he gave it like the the the proper respect and the time that it would take to really get the maximum output you know that that you would get from his music and that's something I think that um was special about him is that he he took it very seriously he didn't he never really did it for the money um he did it because that was his taskid that was his he found like you know that every Jew has a way to serve Hashem and um one of his famous songs um called Rabbi Yak Ley Fifer which is a lesser known song um I don't know it I I got to react to it on my channel I I I really M song that I don't know I'm really surprised oh there there there's quite a few I this may be one of the ones on the newer album uh uh there's one that's being dropped in the next in the next this Friday actually like um you bear with me a second I'll show I'll show it to you sorry yeah yeah no problem pop out out of the picture for a quick second so this was the first solo album my father's like after he he and the mama Duo uh split up around the time where my father left um was ready getting ready to leave Israel we were all in Israel at the time and so he decided to go solo he's it on this one I'm not sure no it's not on this album but it was one of his solo albums it's a great song about a guy that uh who's who's like a rabbi of um in vilna and he had uh you know for many years he tried to have kids and like you know like he finally had a boy and he was so happy and and he's like oh he's promising AEM my kids's going to grow up and teach you know the Torah to everybody and he's going to this and that and it turns out the kid couldn't learn out face well and he wasn't really good at at at the whole learning thing and everything and he and his father was ashamed and and it was humiliating and the boy grew up and moved away and eventually like uh started becoming a merchant selling things and did his own thing but he was really good at being a merchant and he grew from Rags to Riches he became the richest of all Jews and he was quietly giving Saka and that's his way of serving Hashem you know and so that that story The reason I brought it up is because my father you know as well as myself like you know we're we weren't born necessarily I'm like we could learn a little bit but we're not like uh none of us did a seeum sh let's just say and so um he uh one thing he was very good at you know his was his music he was excellent at it when in in his you know secular days when he was for you chuba he was incredible shared stages with some of the some of the bigger names in Hollywood like uh Crosby Stills and Nash Association turned down the chance to be the guitarist in later was became Jefferson Airplane was a big b and he eventually moved to Israel and became uh belua and just was uh learning the ropes in in yiva inar shine and he had uh his Rabbi after a couple years was like MOA why he look so depressed he like talk to me man so he's like well I got all this music in me and it's not Kosher I can't use it he's like what do you mean it's not kosher you're not eating it it's like you know it's just just music that goes like what's the problem he goes well you know come on it's rock and roll and blues and jazz I got to tell you rock and roll is in kosher like you're you're the rabbi you you should know this by now he's like listen the genre of music itself is not the issue even like kabad nunam and many cidic songs came from like you know Russian folk tunes and Eastern European music and they had the flavor of those geographic regions I'll tell you after studying music there there's a whole concept of modal music which like uh you can almost instantly identify this like where music came from just by the sound of the genre and wherever Jews uh went their music always adapted to these things over you know throughout our history like in Spain we had Lino music in uh you know in in Russia we had you know you know nunam so many are in Russian and polish songs and ysh songs and all over the place and so in America it would make sense you know Jews are living in America to have American Style music as long as you're not singing oh baby oh baby you know C isn't the issue you're singing about what it's like to become a a Jew and what it's like to keep shabas and walk into a sh for the first time and and and you know different stories that that have inspired you about you know like what brought you towards y then that can help many people on the contrary and sing it in whatever genre makes you know makes you feel good and I I could imagine only like like thinking wow it only took you two years to tell me this gee thanks you know but him and a study partner who is sha mvine they um he was a master Viola player uh um they they put together this group and only this year I found out actually there were there were a couple extra uh instrumentalists in that group originally which eventually when they officially became aama they kind of like uh just became his Duo I'm not sure why or what the reasons were behind that maybe it's too complicated to travel but of all the Orthodox singers in mainstream music um many of which you know since then have gotten like a major record label to them like uh back in the day makus yahu was a big one you know signed by Sony and Al shulan lemmer my father and his partner were the first they had like CBS records signed them which was like a huge deal back then it was unheard of and uh they had the bestselling record in Israel problem was that uh back then you had to ship vinyl records to the English speakers you had to go on a ship across the ocean to America and there was not a lot of profit left in it but um Masters eventually got lost in a fire and we had uh really hard time getting them digitized you know for modern media now like the after my father passed away his best friend shopsy kesy um gave me like a a folder full of like MP3 files which to to the best of his ability and whatever equipment he had he he managed to transfer but like the quality was very low like low it wasn't done in like a I I think like the best equipment they could have been done on and obviously they were played by you know from from albums and tapes and and records that were played for many many decades so if you ever heard like what a cassette tape sounds like after it was played 900 times or a record for that matter a vinyl record they get scratched up and beat up and so I was think I was like it'd be great if we can remaster these somehow but you need to get a really good quality original thing to begin with I asked I I reached out this facility in California they said yeah what you need to do is really if you don't have the Masters just get like a unopen never been used record and he's telled me as if it's something I can do I've been on a a waiting list for over well over almost a decade and a half to get vinyl records on this Marketplace called discogs wow discog is like the Amazon Marketplace of vinyl so to speak it's not really Amazon thing but it's like in the sense that there's a lot of different Sellers and you can all sell whatever you want and so anytime like a new record of his became available like I got a notification by email right away and I can see if it's better than what I have based on the condition that it's everything and anyway the day I spoke to this gentleman in this facility after waiting forever and never getting anything above like you know medium good three different sellers reach out and like not reach out but posted and therefore I Got a notification saying that these records are available and I checked they're all Mint Condition unopened never been played and I was like that's sh I was like a miracle like I told my wife like the odds of this happening after waiting so long to find him all on the same day is like like hitting the the Power Ball three days you know three weeks in a row and so it kind of gives like validation for for working this hard to to to put these the project together right so I I did I I I I picked them all up and I I um soon as I got them I shipped them out and I had to speak to them to figure out what's the best way to ship them because I don't want to go God forbid risk damaging them or anything like I I have my one shot I I'm not going to mess it up and so I shipped them out and I got them all um remastered into like 32bit audio which is like better than CD quality sound which is like 16it audio and I remember when I got to listen to them for the first time I was like I never heard my father this clearly since I I spoked him in person you know like really rich wow rich rich quality sound and like all that all good like analog warmth that you'd get from a record anyway so I I I've been releasing them slowly I had first the first two Mama albums and then uh those were released in 2024 and this one I'm releasing this Friday so this is the nice this one has songs like uh ysf my son that's a great one love that song so there's a good story behind the song is one of the one of the few hits that my father uh recorded that he didn't actually write himself most of I think almost all of the music with very very few exceptions he wrote himself um unless it was like a parody of something he did this one was actually written by buer that used to hang out um at his coffee shop my father after M split up opened a Mosa's Coffee House in Jerusalem and he actually has a plug for it in the back of this record it says on the narrow side street of Zion Square in Jerusalem you'll find mosha coffee house MOSI yes formally of Mama as a proprietor the coffee house is the first of his kind in Israel it's a place to hear good music live including many Originals as you'll find on this album any a lot of people throughout the years wound up um passing through not throughout the years throughout the short period of time that this was open since my father never had a a degree in business management or whatever it was didn't last very long but during like the six months or so that before it flopped a lot of people went through there and I've heard over the years many people to like oh yeah I remember seeing your dad at the coffee house and was like oh wow that's like a really small window that you had to be there so this guy that one of the guys that hung out there was this guy named Morty Rockman if I'm not mistaken is now like a Russ Shiva somewhere but he doesn't go by that name when it comes to music he goes by the name Ellie Nathan Ellie Nathan is a guy that did the destiny albums so he wrote the song wait wait what's his name again Ellie Nathan no but but his real name I think it's Morty Rockman or Rock Rockman like I never really got it right like uh oh that's that's that's I love the destiny albums love now that you hear that now that you hear that it was the guy that wrote the destiny albums that wrote that song you can kind of hear because the stories that he sell says in those albums are always amazing and so now now it sounds familiar because y my son is like right up his like right up his the kind of song you can hear him say I was oh yeah honored and privileged to do a cover of this song A few years back I remember like uh I I rarely anytime I've ever do done a cover of one of my father's songs felt like I I did it justice like like the original when this one I can say you know like I I always felt a deep connection to the song and I wanted to really give it it its proper you know like like cinematic Arrangement and feel and like that's what I did to it the originally on the album it's just like a and and his voice and very little instrumentation where this one had like a whole spring section and sound effects and like I shouldn't even say this out loud but I even sampled like in the part of the song where like the they fast forward in time from when the boy guy was a little boy and then all of a sudden the Holocaust happens um I even sound sampled in that little small Musical part in between those time periods like a little sample of like one of those Nazi speeches from Hitler like even I hope he's rolling in his grave knowing he's on a Jewish Album yeah uh but long story short long story short I put it out there a while ago and I've been trying to cover his music a lot because there wasn't really good quality stuff out there and I didn't want people to forget it or to lose it and I wanted the Next Generation to appreciate it and give a little bit of a more modern polished sound just because whatever was available wasn't really great quality but after doing probably like a dozen covers of my dad's stuff uh some of the songs that were never even released before um on a proper album like uh he had a he had a band called burn offering which had a brought from the rebba to go out and sing for secular crowds and teach them about the you know you know increasing in Acts of goodness and kindness and prepare for a world of good things they got so a couple of songs that I produced were ones that were never released before because for whatever reason that album never got signed even though they tried sending it out to every record label and they were hoping that it would like you know if the rabba gave it to BR for sure it's going to be like you know golden ticket but for whatever reason it didn't take off um and so I got a cou of un un uh how would I say this uh unpublished gems that I got to do myself which is really nice um but now thank God I mean thanks to this miracle that happened to me last year like I was able to really put out some really good quality stuff and mishak magazine even covered it with a really incredible article which they wrote about the story and um big props to Barbara bsan for for publishing that for Misha and she's an incredible researcher too and was able to find some really good details uh like I'm not an investigative journalist like she was actually able to find details about M that I didn't even know I was like wow that's really cool um and so I've been putting out and and ever since that article came out I've been getting a lot of feedback from people that read it and one person actually reached out to me and said hey I worked for this un this in this University and we have like an archive that people submitted their uh you know albums and music archive for research purposes whatever and the people submitted like their own media and the university on their equipment got a lot of stuff transferred so even the things that came out after the three that I got um I have some better quality you know versions of it so I'm excited to be able to help re-release a lot of the stuff lately and for myself most importantly like my I always you know told my father like I wanted to be able to continue kind of like whatever you've been doing like I've seen the impact that his music had people on their lives and their connection to God and like how how impactful it is not just from on a single person's level but like entire families are affected by it like I know a I know a person whose mother went to a concert came back koshered their whole kitchen now all her kids are from and now one of the kids is a and he made another 250 people from at least like there that's just one one incident so the butterfly effect of this is like enormous um and I uh I asked him like can I can I get the chords for and the lyrics for all your music he's like I to be honest I haven't played a lot of these in so long because toward the end of his life my father was pretty sick he's like and I don't honestly at my age I don't know if I remember all the lyrics or the chords to them my song songs I haven't played in 20 years so he's like but I'd rather you know if you want to cover them be my guest but I I think it would be a good idea instead of you know being a second rate version of me be a First Rate version of yourself because your generation is going to have its own challenges and the the way you grew up and the experiences that you had in life are going to have a you being able to relate them to other people is going to have a profound effect on a whole different segment of people that even I couldn't reach you know and so so he says you know you have my blessing but don't not put out your own stuff so I was very encouraged by that and I put out uh you know many years ago uh about 12 years ago my first English original song which was called the almighty's on our side and it was written during the original Gaza War not this one one happened it gave me because I was born in Israel I guess it I I always felt this strong connection to the land and everything that's going on in there and I haven't been back there in a long time I was supposed to go back for my son's ver Mitzvah which was October 21st but two weeks before October 7th happened and everything got cancelled so that I was looking forward to reconnect there have you ever been to yeah I've been there twice but it's been so long I've been trying to get there ever since but I always imagine right I always imagined like I could so see myself just land and start sobbing like crazy like I I just don't I don't know how to explain it because it's you know how they you know how they say that like like you actually dream something like like they say like you actually dream something and you feel it and you could and it's like something that you can't explain I've constantly dreamt of like how it would be when I go to Israel and the like I I always dreamt the fact that like literally your feeling changes as you land or like you see something like I I've always come I've always put myself through many scenarios of thinking how it went and so I'm very anxious to go there mem and myself me too I got to go I was born there but I left when I was very young I remember very small amounts of what happened when I was young there but I got to go back when like my early 20s and Birthright and I'll tell you like um at that point in my life I think I needed it I think for me it was like a big Catalyst for change in my life I uh I was never really good at Yeshiva but after Birthright I got you know connected with organization Partners in Torah and they gave me aa which I learned with for many many years and uh without ever meeting them in person until many many years later I think we uh I think I want up finally meeting the guy in person we' always learn on the phone old school before zoom and WhatsApp all that stuff it's funny because I I when I was a kid I also had a there's a program where they they compare young schim to and only last year when I went on on B to LEC in Florida I one of the teachers is the bck I learned with oh cool like it was like such a different experience because I I met him once but he was a bucker then and he went through so much life uh changes and he had his own story and his own right but the idea that like it's like a different connection and you literally it's like it's a whole different experience than just meeting a friend and then seeing him many years later because it's it's a more of a deeper level in a sense yeah because you have that connection and and and and you I think also I think uh there's a certain Bond that's forged between somebody you know people that learn to Hur together I don't know how to explain it it's like you know that becomes part of you and that's an experience that you take with you not just you know in this world but in the world to come you get that both of you right together it's it's a big deal and I I feel like that the being in AR thr had like a a huge impact on me and I was kind of hoping to have it for my oldest son who never got to go but I know my father sang a lot about it and how you know people should be going you know to St there's a famous song from mama called coming home which I got to cover uh last year yeah during up to Jerusalem up to Jerusalem is another one yeah I I covered that one too I think but but you know coming home was like a a big one back when he wrote it because it was in the late 70s and people were finally you know feeling okay enough time passed after World War II we have our own land we have our own Army uh things seem like they're safe and people were like on the fence about if you go to Israel or not and it it changed his life changed my mother's life it changed a lot of people's life to go there and to live there just every second that you're in there a thr gives you like another Mitzvah you know breathing holy air I can't explain it the only way can breathe holy air over here is if you buy a bottle of Israeli wine and open the Cork and breathe in that little space that they have in it people don't really bottle the stuff you know but um so but it I I think that it it had a a huge impact on me and he had a huge impact on him going there um he wasn't crazy about how you know secular arst Ro is becoming like he to him like a he had like his he was like on the fence about like uh about how much you should love the land you know it wasn't like that he was uh God forbid anti- Zionist or anything like that but he was like uh he had he felt the government could have could have been a little more shabas and pamis and all that stuff right which is ironic because his Hebrew birthday is on yat so it's kind of really yeah I remember he always like he always had like a little bit of a I don't know if a grievance about it or not now Bab has something to celebrate on yat you know like is it now you have something not just the bobit I mean that my father had a like his music was all over it wasn't just the good good example like um a very good example of how how far-reaching the choices he made in his music were a lot of people that were already very well established in the music business tried new things because of him like a good example deas AB Rottenberg uh was doing Hebrew language music and then he I remember I bought a his his music like sheet music book of all his songs for Journeys uh more than once I told him I think this is the only book I think I bought three times every time I take it somewhere to Kum it magically grows a pair of legs and walks off I'm like and I instantly michle the person because if I discovered your music in a book for the first time I would also steal it but I uh I told him like he wrote in the forward of his book that he like um that that my father's uh Mai and after hearing the mama record it gave him uh you know the the inspiration to start and and and or the push even to start writing in English and the first English song that he ever wrote was right after he heard Maadi and it was called it's time to say gabis time to sayab so that was his first he composed that song yeah know wow because most people think it's AB no no no it was a AB song saying ab ab wrote that song after hearing English music from Ab composed because he was inspired by my for my Z oh that's a that's good trivia that's pretty cool and it wasn't something that he he was quiet about like he said it many times like he he in interviews and a song book like he he showed a lot of H car uh towards my father for whatever you know the relationship that they musically and I remember when my parents bought the fourth Mel music machine that AB rberg made in 2011 I believe had the little yeah and it was like a part of the cover was a whole page just for your father and I thought it was beautiful even from a child like as a child you don't really hear these things especially it was like a little bit before it was like the PEAK Internet so but like I remember like thinking like wait because I read I was like a little old enough to read it and I was thinking to myself like wait like I didn't hear your father passed him away I knew he I knew he was a little out of the business a little bit because I I remember it being more old and sound and I remember as a kid being very like taken aback that like oh wait this is not the same marvelous music machine but like you know I mean like I I remember like like it was pretty beautiful for me to see like a whole page and talk about it and so I think I think that actually inspired me as a kid to really look more deeper into music because um it I I do believe that music if you think of it as a aspect of a story it changes a lot for how you listen to songs yeah no certainly um and if you if you start like looking at you know like what he went through um in his career and and the sacrifices he made um in his career uh as a secular artist I he had his own show in Reno he was he was pulling in like you about the 60s like $2,500 a night was a lot of money back then like you can't you can buy Cadillac back then with that kind of money that's like that's what people were paying into and then giving it up and going to live in maym in like a one bedroom uh air conditioned apartment where the air conditioning consisted of a broken window with no glass in it um and and and and not doing music for a few years and then getting into it and finally like you know you you see like he had has probably like feels to me like you gave him a opportunity you you can have success you know in Bashas or success but you can't have both you know or maybe maybe you could have had both know but point was like he he he had tremendous success uh bar from his his music and all the people that have been inspired by it and that have done chuba because of it and there are many I hear stories all the time from people um I know countless kabad houses that sing myadi and and several other songs at their at their shabas table every week um and and in the lababa adventures in the earlier days you know there weren't that many English songs but at one point there were 12 Songs nine of them my father wrote you know like that's how how much right his stuff was loved why did I bring it up because I I think that it's it's it's imperative that people realize that there's a story behind every song um it kind of like took his experience as a b chuba and made it relatable documented it through music um gave people who are bouas you know that are that did not grow up from from birth that oftentimes feel ostracized and on the outskirts and fringed within their own communities um uh the message that it's okay you're not doing this for anyone else's approval it's for hashem's approval only and Hashem loves you more than anybody else in the world and and and to him you're the apple of his eye and don't don't worry what people might bully you because you do this that way that way you you speak funny or whatever it is like doesn't matter like you made the right choice and a lot of people I I know that are you know for example have converted to Judaism that uh go through all the the difficulties of what what that must be like imagine you know and and they they relate to it as well like it's a very very small niche in in the music business uh that he catered to but a very important one you know like the people that are right that were born and went through theiva system and their parents of 25 30 50 Generations where we from with long long pay whatever like they don't need that kind of they have it already whereas the people that are like literally you know flying without instruments like one of his songs is titled he had a famous you know song called Flying without instruments it's about like Hashem I'm like I'm I'm on the pilot of this plane and all my gauges and dials aren't working like I have only you to guide me like I like I'm like he used a lot of these like Parables and like comparisons in his music to express what it's like uh to not just be him but to be people like him that are learning the ropes for the first time and and have us love for Hashem and and for the people and for you know for for Judaism but but but feel like they're always sometimes coming up short like I want to be aoic how I how am I going to do that like I I could barely read Hebrew you know it's like they always feel like there's this lesser than thing and he's explaining like no on the contrary like it's not that you're lesser than you know there's a famous P that you know where where b chuba stands like s can't even stand and uh someone was explaining to me like C ballistically there's all these different shs these different Gates and like 50 Gates I think total like the 49th gate uh is a gate of music and then the the and and a dear friend of mine manasha Friedman was like the problem is that people when they reach that gate of music and Tak their sh to this really high place they forget to knock on the ceiling of the next level up which is shat Chua so got to knock you got to let it take you to these Heights and then just knock up there and then sit the the worlds are open for you so he's uh he's definitely a person that made an impact not just as a as a BAL in a lot of people but as as an artist as a musician um the amount of artists that he's inspired I mean myself included and I I grew up loving his music not just because my dad I wasn't forced to but because I I I growing up in a home where my mother was a convert my father was a B I got a double portion of of this uh non you know like uh serving of non coming to me but um I I I felt that it it spoke to me as much as I spoke to many people and I had my own journey in life where I I was trying to figure things out and it kept me anchored to a certain degree and many of the songs I felt resonated with me even in my experience even growing up you know in a in a a firm house even even though I was me my father was still learning the ropes every day for the rest of his life as we all are my own Journey it had a profound impact on me it's a very hard act to follow um Poss I would say for me at this point in my life impossible to to to really live up to the level of of V virtuosity that he had in in his you know how he plays his instruments and things like that um and you know like his his his knowledge of music was profound um but from for myself I can say that he he definitely had a strong impact on me um other musics in the same genre as him also had a very big F like know Journeys Destiny uh diaspora um you know these these guys were the bre your father was involved in diaspora no but they were very I mean they were friendly they they did you know they did shows together things like that oh you're talking about the genre in general the genre in general yeah no I just mean that fine yeah how would I how how would I Define the genre of all these types of things they're music that speak to the American Jew um in the language that they in the language they understand and in a style that they appreciate that's that's how I would calling that even to call it that category is kind of a uh very micron nich understand exactly yeah because I'll tell you why because there's something about your father's music and also it's a compliment to to the person the synonym of Eli Nathan a Destiny and diaspora is that they take music from a genre which especially at that time people wouldn't typically think would would they would connect to but for some reason it it it they put their spin on it that really captivated not just the audience that they were targeting but also the traditional audience that came from traditional homes or or people that doesn't necessarily your fa maybe even your father didn't really think would a Captivate like the as you said the people that came from already the European from life or orish life and in general so it's it's very hard to categorize it but but the only way I could say is that it really is just it's something in its own category that really it's hard to explain yeah it was hard it it's hard to Define exactly what he did I think abam Rosenbloom from daspry Shiva band like when I when I made a post about this new album coming out Friday he said that uh you know like my father was and and he had a tremendous respect for my father I was by his studio uh to work on a song with him and he had a big poster of a show that diaspora and Mama did together uh like hanging like I like oh wow that's sick like that's got to be collector's item like I can't imagine like oh gosh so he had they had tremendous respect for each other but he he did tell my my he told me that my you know my father was like the um the top solo act in in this whole like genre of like folk rock of Jewish folk rock there was like nobody that can take just one instrument and and and a voice and and do what he was able to do with it um he really stretched it I think as far as it'll go um with with just a single person and a guitar and he had he had a he had a funny sense of humor and a lot of shtick in in his in his in his act and everything um and it was fun to watch I I've been to so many of his shows I was a ro for him for many years and when my brother and I helped him in the summer uh you know we did these summer camp tours like set up all his you know his his his his sound systems and everything so he once played for my kabad house mytle in Myrtle Beach South Carolina yeah makes sense um you there it was just him I probably wasn't there when I when I was uh going I was very young and I was in like I think like the like uh North Northeast heav how would I say this northeast like Upstate New York and Pennsylvania H you know Poconos and Jersey and like uh North Montreal and that whole area um those kind of Summer Camps like the we call them like the the the Y mha groups and Federation Camp so he had a guy um schomber bum Garten who was like arranging he was a and he arranged like a lot of these uh like a tour kind of at all the camps because he was I don't know how he was somehow involved in like bringing Judaism to to these summer camps that would otherwise have you know less from entertainment or that kind of thing and my what's interesting is that there was a guy in Montreal named David Lazar I remember him known as Steve wasar back in the day I remember when he had long hair and he was like this uh rock this rocker from like uh he had like a high school rock band back in the day and he told me like my dad once came to his Camp my father was already like wearing his K and his vest and his tits on the outside at that point and he's like he's like I was like this cool kid that has this rock band in my school and we we're we you know hanging out with my friends and they have this big tent and like your dad comes in and dressed like this fidler on the roof guy and he's sitting here with his guitar and I turned to my friend I'm like oh this is gonna suck watch and your father just shredded up like this whole song Jeremiah was the bull frog playing all they got their attention with songs that they knew and threw in a couple of Jewish words to change it into like to jewfy the song oh so good and he said it blew my mind blew my mind that a guy that can look like uh to you know from where I was holding in life like such a Nuuk you know like he showed up and like he just rocked the house he said and I remember like earlier like we I think he came to my house once for for shabas or something I remember him being by my house a couple times and then eventually like he he was balua and he he um married a serota from Montreal and they lived next door to us for a while and I always loved his music because David came out with like he went by David afterwards he came out with his own like uh heavy Rock like heavy like a heavy hard rock kind of album and in the 80s you know when I when I grew up the hairspray bands and the rock fand that was all the rage and he was like the you know Pento was considered a rock you know heavy rock kind of guy but it it it to me it sounded very Sparty and it didn't sound like the American style that I was used to and and are sound like legit like you know i' I'd bring like these 400 watt speakers to camp and like blasted from the top of the M smid's Hill and G and uh I played a saw his album repeat and I I I I felt like you know there's a lot of people that they got turned on to Judaism through music and this could very well be an example but I'll tell you now daavid Lazar is a schl out in in Montreal and he has like he works with with with young adults that are uh and and and I think college students or high school students and stuff and and has a tremendous impact on their life and it's it's it's amazing how far-reaching uh one person and their guitar and a voice can can really go and like I'm just talking about one city Montreal I'm talking about two people right now that that that became schim uh either directly or indirectly but like that were that were touched or affected um in a spiritual way um through either knowing my father his music or whatever it was and I remember like growing up we'd have a lot of uh interesting guests on shabas at are home like my father wasn't the type of guy that would invite overall like uh you know every single person that was like on the top of the list of of guests you'd want to have like he he he'd like uh he had a special place in his heart for The Underdogs and like for the people that weren't always invited and things like that and like they became good friends of his you know and they turned out to be okay some of them I'm still in touch with but like uh it taught me also the importance of looking at every kid like you know there is a every is a piece of Hashem and just because somebody speaks a certain way or looks a certain way or dresses a certain way or comes from this background or that back or has this challenge or has that challenge in Life or whatever it is doesn't mean like there any reason to treat them less than or to be you know like uh to uh you know like like they're less Jewish than you or less important than you like every sing it's like if you have a person in your house that's like the biggest NE in the world it's it's just as important as if you have somebody in your house who's like a big gutle or whatever that's coming to your house because every Jew is a piece of hasem and and like that was inspiring for me to see growing up like that um you know even sometimes when it was difficult sometimes like we had people at our house that were just how would I say like they were very challenging to be around you know um and he didn't he didn't treat him differently because of that like it was something that I try in my own life to to kind of adopt and and I think the world can use a lot of that you know the world's very full of vanity and appearances and what things you know what how think how would it look like how what would the neighbors think you know that's what a lot of people say my father had no my father could not care less what the neighbors think if you've ever been to Montreal you and you saw the kind of car my father drove You' realize that not only did he not care what they think but he wouldn't even care if the car drove brought the property values down on the whole block like he used toy beat up old school bus that he painted like army camouflage or something it was it was a eyesore among eyesores and like he just didn't it was it's a very liberating feeling you know and I try to adopt it in my own life and think that you know like end of the day what Hashem thinks about you is what matters the most and one of the most liberating feelings in the world is being able to do what you know is right and do it for the right reasons and for you know the the the reason why we're doing it is because hasem asked us to do it not because it'll make the neighbors look at me in a nicer way or make this person think that I'm a good guy or the wrong reason to do things like do things LMA you know do them do them for the right reason um so um it's it's so interesting to hear that because you find that very rare nowadays with a lot of I I'm actually to say the least that that the the only way you could Captivate an audience through music is if you're authentic but I think I think your father took it to a whole different level where it was clear on stage that he was just there for you for the music for the for the A and I I think it's something they rarely see I I think other singers give a different atmosphere but I think your father had like this a lack of a better way to describe it like a big hug type of uh uh uh atmosphere he was literally yeah he was a larger he had a larger than life presence and he had the and he had on stage certainly had he had tremendous crowd control and and Stage presence like when when he got on a stage and like everybody shut up when he took the mic like there wasn't like it wasn't like in the sh like the RAB talking and every he when he was there he was like this is our moment now let's make the most of it you know and and people just was magnetic to see um yeah remember hearing Benny fredman saying when they did a a legacy album for my father um yeah by the way um props to Benny Freeman because it's very hard to do a proper cover that's like you know like the balance between it's it's very hard to do like a balance between like oh not to be too much you not to be what think I think he did it perfectly I think I think that album is topnotch by the way it's not on Spotify we need to get that on Spotify oh have to work on it there's a lot of politics behind that album which I don't want to get into but the the the point is like this that the the uh I was involved in it I just I I I also even liked how it came out but I got mixed reviews from people that were saying that you know in in some cases the songs were very true to the original and in other ones they were like uh you know like very different and people some people were like I don't get it why do they do the song that way it didn't sound like that I was like it's not an imitation contest it was a tribute people from different backgrounds and different styles of music wanted you know say thank you to my dad and they did cover of his thing in their own way in some cases in some Cas they did it very very original um I liked it either way I liked how it came out and I remember we listened to it more than my sisters they listen to it like more than like the actual maybe it's because of the quality of of what it used to be but we jammed to that album so much and it's also because it's just a beautiful feeling that you have an album that so many singers came together and they just came in I mean I mean that hear Rey schel yeah exactly to hear Ry schel seeing my boy um in that that way it's like such a really schable style but it fits so well to pay tribute I love it I love it I I love how I certain songs on there like I did not expect them to be uh the way they came out but I love them none less like a good example one of my favorite Jewish singers a guy that I discovered because of this album mam Weinstein so he he was earlier on his career great guy I know him personally great guy yes so I met him a few couple times but he was like uh he he did this number on the song called throw away that ham where makam is a great rapper and he's like a great producer too and he did this like like what was originally like this kind of Broadway Style song he turned it into like this really fun like modernized rap song with pop undertones I couldn't really Define exactly what genre is it was like a few of them all roll into one but I loved what he did with it it was super cool um and I like that that because you know like production and music kind of take takes a Forefront a lot these days like yeah I remember back in the day people wanted to make an album they had to sing perfectly there was no such thing as autotune there was no such everything today is over produced um in my opinion and including my own music I'm not I'm not I'm Not Innocent everybody does it it's because that's what this the sound became of modern music uh I think what made my Father which by the way I think a lot of people are based on conversations I have with people I think the audience is really catching on to that and I think that that there has to we have to somewhat or someone has to come out with their music in the old traditional way because I I do believe that there are people that are hungry for because because people are not as people are knowledgeable more than ever and I think people really could tell on these things I was doing a reaction last week and we could tell that it was like really autotuned and it was and it was a great song and it was really sung well but it was so jarring because you could tell and so I think there is a I think there is a market in the Jewish music world where PE where people couldn't will enjoy if people just gradually just go to that side back to what it was yeah but but but see see the that's the interesting thing that that the a lot of the older singers um uh were in the business they were they were great singers like they they didn't need any of this stuff a lot of them still apply some of it anyway just to polish it up a little bit and that's that's fine um but like today like to get into the business you don't have to be a great singer um you know you have to have an excellent producer that's really what it is right and a lot of people like a lot of people I had even in my own Studio that like you know I I'd be like wow that's that's interesting um yeah that nobody would have ever ever suggested this guy to go to recording studio when I was a kid but this person wants to do it and and the reality is that technology allows them to express himself that way so they're using whatever is available to them to to for Creative expression and and I'm okay with it a big First Amendment guy right yeah there's no problem it's it's it's it's an art that's what art is everyone has their own taste or their own spin in art that's what it is list if if a banana duct tape to a wall on a Museum of Modern Art can go for a million dollars like who's to say that a person that can't you know thing perfectly on key can't go into studio and you the little autotune I think my what I'm getting at is that the the the industry changed because the technology changed um and I I I was I was like growing up in this in between phase where I got to see my father record many albums uh some of them on all the analog gear that they used to use and then transition into like the digital world where people are using midi sequencers and things like that like I was arranging on on a midi sequencer before Windows was even an operating system like on a on a Commodore Amiga computer the one that my father used to make the uh the amazing Tour Bike and albums by the way those songs are so great I can't believe someone didn't like already come up with the just like a uh an album of just the songs itself those are great s probably I probably could do that there was a interesting story let me give you the backstory behind that album because that since we brought it up please do please do do so my my father and ab co-produced The Marvelous mutos machine together yeah as as most people know not the fourth one obviously and I think the third one I'm not sure if that there was one episode in the series where there was a time machine yeah with a little green chair from gimbals you know the and so um my my father wanted to take the the audience back into time during the times of mosom and like the you know and and the whole Exodus from Egypt and a lot m t aot wow and ab's like I want to kind of get like an early American history version of like you know Judaism was like back then and so they decided to like um my father would start a new series to to to do the MRI thing and that's how the amazing torite came out and so um I was actually the main character I was Ben y the kid that did couldn't learn to save his life yeah and all yeah the uh and so so I I didn't even have to act because I was already really bad at Yeshiva I was like I just have to be myself you know so I I that was like my singing debut I guess you know like the first time I was on the album was was the amazing Tour by um and wow that's how so that's how that series I gotta be honest I gotta be honest I didn't really grow up I mean I had the cassette but it was kind of ruined so I didn't really grow up with the first one but we had the animation on PHS on the second one if you can call it that oh yeah I mean I mean mind you you have you have to realize that that animation wasn't made on a fancy Dell XPS you know Graphics computer it was made on a a Commodore a migga with a a 40 megabyte hard drive okay there wasn't a whole lot of room to render 3D animations back then and had to be done very very uh very very low budget and lowkey and low resolution and my father wasn't really a graphic uh artist like he wasn't artistically um inclined in graphic art my mother was my mother was an incredible artist um and you know my father just used technology and doodles and things like that to try to figure out how to make things move and then applied the the thing to it so he was kind of learning it as he as he went he didn't like have any formal training on it and I think a lot of people um you know uh realize that you know but but also you have to realize that at that time there wasn't anything else that did that in the Jewish world like he was 10 years ahead of years ahead of of of his time to put out Jewish you know graphic animations it was like unheard of crazy understandably it was uh it was it was something that that would look very like minecrafty and low budget but right at the same time I'll show you something else here this album here that I have have a little uh like Mini mos Museum on the wall over here of all his records oh wow this album was from before he was from this was him on Bandy I called research uh 1612 so this was came out in like the 60s this came out in the 60s and what was later on described as psychedelic Rock they were doing it 10 years before anybody called it a genre like he was a little bit early on everything like if he tried everything 10 years later he would have been like incredible incredibly Rich doing it you know but yeah that's crazy whatever he was a little forward thinking like that and figured out a way to try to make it work the best he can with the resources he had and whatever um he made more videos later though I I grew up with the I grew up with the aam video in the VHS which by the way I'm petrified of nimrod because of that video that picture that is that the one you do with uh ruing Stone was which one was that um no I think ruing Stone was the helm videos right wait the aam one was a 3D animation no it was it was uh it was like pictures like a uh clip art cartoon type pictures that would move interesting okay okay inter I don't know if you ever seen it but he had I don't think I have I don't think I have oh wow I got to find it I hope I hope my mother didn't put it away somewhere like are you sure was his it sounds like him like he had a song Abraham that would like God called him abim something like that um maybe I'm wrong and maybe my mind is just telling me things but maybe one of those videos I'm pretty sure I remember like saying oh like like because the the words of like of who made the video came up and your so your father name came up and I'm pretty sure that um it was him like he voiced everything he just said everything um I I have to find it but Che it out day yes I agree I I know he made a bunch of uh he made a bunch of albums with Ruben Stone um and I I think maybe it could be one of those or animation of one of those or something like that that was like later on I don't think it was a story tape but um but yeah I remember that I also remember the the helm videos he did the helm videos right yeah those were so so he he kind of dabbled in a lot of stuff and he was very big into the whole Jewish Education thing and like uh to me it was interesting when I heard like uh I remember the mbaka magazine article they came out with she she spoke with AB Rottenberg about what it was like to work on the MOs machine and they said he said in the article like he said um yeah like we remember we sat down the two older yes boys which was me and my older brother together to get them like you know as our like uh test subjects to listen to the album and uh we you know they seemed entertain for a while and then all of a sudden like they broke out in the fight during a song called shalom's peace so we realized that we had to gauge uh our expectations on the effectiveness of this album on kids the reality is like it was still like some of these songs were so iconic that I remember like if I I went to like a group of 30 30s somethings uh a few years ago at a private concert in someone's house and I I I I you know broke out into like who spilled the milk on the kitchen floor everybody's like oh my God I haven't heard the song the kid like everybody knows that mean we grew up on this stuff this was like the bread and butter I got to send you it but um we have a my I have a friend that knows someone that made a remix I don't know if you heard it it's like a little one minute remix of the uh who spill a milk kitchen for and it's like a like a dance track I really need to show it to you it's oh no I never heard that I'd like to hear that I I use it for the kids in LEC like they Lally like because they grew up with the tape yeah and then when you have like something to get them hyped especially when you're dealing with like hundreds of kids so like you put it on and they really like it so I have to send it to you kid still like it I mean kids my my my son who's like my youngest son who's like two years old two and a half I I was playing Theos machine for him and he also like they they take to it it's it's like very relable never it never gets old it it ages so well and by the way I heard MIM I heard MIM um because I'm in school so like like in program director in school so I hear like teachers saying like they would it because it's not necessarily like things they're just simple midis type of lessons and so like they but for some reason they always they all say that good old good oldfashioned Judaism right and they all say they all say that literally the mouse M machine is by far still much better than not saying again nothing against to what people do nowadays art is Art and I love story tapes are done nowadays and olden days uh but but especially m m machine it captivates something in the kids where it never gets old every kid uh approaches it in a in in a very unique way unlike things that may age old or things are newer and it's and I hear a lot of M say that they'll pick that story tape over all other type of was also I mean in its type of thing like many people that I've spoken with have said it's kind of like because I at one point I I I entertain the idea of of doing like a kids tape with a few other people I knew I actually started on it and then I moved from Canada and like it just flopped like I like I dropped the ball and like we all got busy busy lives kids growing up and like never really never really got completed or never even took off fully on the production side not let alone the distribution that but uh this one of the people people tell me like you know it's it's like Theos machine if we look at it as like this prototype of like the perfect balance of Storytelling and music and everything it became like this AR typ in a way like an arc typal kids educational album uh which which had this timelessness to it you know it's a classic Timeless album that will be relevant you know 200 years from now God willing um but interestingly a lot of the stuff that they were talking about back then were like are like were so futuristic like that we couldn't even think about it like this time a time machine or like a satellite with the spaceships in outer space and things like that and like people weren't even doing that kind of stuff but now there's actually people doing that you know like U the idea that you can uh uh broadcast audio to anywhere else in the world that that wasn't an option back then really like you know now you have cell phones you have satellite you know you got satellite internet you have every even like the concept of like the amazing tour bike like a like a an artificially intelligent uh powered bike like how do you yeah who even knew who even knew what AI was I didn't even know my father knew what AI but he was very like Hightech in his stuff like he liked uh he liked technology he had like uh he was also big like ham radio operator like he used to have like a shortwave radio like a big uh military grade one in the house and he listen to it all day and uh not all day I listening to a lot then he uh he had the he had he had a big thing for like things that were just like emerging you know like emerging technology some of these things I don't even understand how he understood like what they were and robots by the way a proof to that is because the M SM 4 it's amazing by the way I love the songs because you can't go wrong with ab ronberg and schma Simka um but I think it did miss that futuristic like a kid's imagination in a in a in a story like it didn't have like it it it kind of like continued from where it left off but it never like went off on more than than like the idea of like what's next what's in 10 years like I don't know how this works but let's just do it you know but um great you know how many times you know how many times parents now nowadays when one kid is like uh you know upset that the other kid got something like yank you got a bigger piece I can't everybody does it my mother did it to us you know like we all we all get it we all we have these little sound bites that we can throw out at our own kids that we're we're being recycled from our own parents using them today and like it's great like I use them with my kids and they they just smile at me and smirk like okay like they they get it but you know maybe it's maybe it's time to do some uh some of that I never tried it like uh really like today like I could technically do these things solo like there's so many so much like I don't even need voice actors anymore right you can literally I'm the first probably mainstream like Jewish industry like artist that has a um like that used AI in in a track I just released a track called calling my name where I recorded into a mic and then I was able to change my voice exactly how I sang it but with someone else's voice from any number of different voices like the way you would change a font in the document and so you can literally create a whole cast of people uh just as a single solo production like you don't even need like the technology is so Advanced so you don't have to hire 50 different people as long as you can make a few accents and you know like the rest of the the tber of your voice can change to somebody else I can make myself into a kid or or a woman's voice or whatever you know character I need to cast for it so maybe it's time to start doing that maybe iy maybe I should try my hand at that I just feel like it's like such a big shoe to fill and such a big you know you know talking about giants like and my father who put these things together I I'd never be able to outdo it but just maybe make a little Mark on it the closest thing I think it just I think it goes back to what you said before that I think your father did left you off with the message that you're I don't think you're supposed that not just you I saying in general people nowadays A lot of people are trying to validate themselves comparing to a different standard to a certain standard and I think it's just the I think it's just at the end of the day it's just to be you be authentic like when I do content and when I do reactions people like who knows that song I'm like I'm not doing it for the views I'm not doing it for for like necessarily anyone to watch it's just it's me it's me you right there's a concept in Judaism only it's called it's it's good enough you know we don't have that in thetion but interestingly I did do a couple of small things I had some people reach out to me because when I got into recording originally I was doing voiceover work for video and things like that that's how I got my first Studio set up and everything and I did some like earlier commercial voiceover stuff for jli and different different things through a friend of mine who was doing video for them but um I got to do a couple of like audio books for kids which were then animated like I did like the pesak book uh the porm book uh uh the story of the if candles could speak by DOI Pro these are like uh long like audio format books which were played in many Kad institutions and different places um I got to be the uh The Voice artist for Bella braaz which was fun oh that was a little after my time but yeah me too I'm like who's bellaa I'm like I mean I've been out of the business for so long that I remember a person was told me like hey my friend of mine wants to uh get all the whole collection of your father's music he's a huge fan his name is Benny Freedman I'm like who's Benny fredman like I didn't even know like I was like completely oblivious to like I I completely checked out from like you know like who the who's who in the business I was only listening to the old old old stuff and didn't really care to go out and buy new albums but now obviously I know he is I know every you know like these other guys some of them there's so many nowadays I saying like telling somebody today it work that my father's day there was like 25 people that were like really like mainstream top you know artists everybody knew today there's like 250 you know that's might even be minimizing it there's probably more than that you know yeah so much more especially when I got into the idea of doing reactions which by the way um destiny was my very first review video ever this it was last year so that was pretty interesting also your father your first the first song I did a review of your father was the angel uh uh no the the the Lord of hosts uh oh nice love that one song got do that one I gotta cover that one quite a short that's a such a good song um but my point that I'm curious of you to do a reaction of my uh my my my song that had that AI calling my name it was a background vocal it wasn't like the main vocal main vocal was in my voice but I'm curious to to to to to to see what you'd say to it because it's very like different it's it's a different type of different I'll do that I'll do that I'll also probably I'll probably do it around the time I come up with this episode so that kind of like ises a backstory of where the reaction came from you have any backstory on collaborations between Ms with outside of the genre that he was typically like he did one with Miami Boy Choir I'm curious if he he did one Miami Bo Choir in a Miami experience too I remember that one yeah um I'm very curious if he ever did like collaborations with like typical singers that wouldn't be in his genre like I maybe I'm freed or I'm just curious is there anything you might know he's done quite a few um but I'll I'll say this I mean as a kid uh and a kid that was in a choir you know Miami Boys Choir was a big deal you know like to us was like in Montreal which is a very small town like compared to you know New York City or whatever although it's a major city you know still like it's never New York or LA or anything I I always felt like my father was like this local guy that everybody knew you know they went to the same mix was him wasn't anybody special when you go outside of Canada all of a sudden like you realize all these people like were like worshiping the ground that he walked on and I was like uh until he was on Miami experience I never thought he was truly [Laughter] famous was rich I like oh he finally made it the song that he did on the road was that his song or Y be song no that was that was their song but it fit him so well yeah it I I really bought it that it that it was his you know they made it his I so was the ninth man from from Ab Rottenberg you know that that like the the one about the the baseball game you know the he didn't compose it no AB compos it oh he was he was casted for it and it became like a song that he made his you know he'd perform it a lot everywhere he'd go people ask him to sing it I sing it still go places um it's a favorite by a lot of probably connect to that song More Than very much so probably and it's also Nostalgia you know it brings people back to this place in their Jewish experience that was comfortable before the world got complicated before you know like it's a nice little safe space as as the modern world would call it um but yeah he did collaborate with a lot of other artists uh not so many that he was actually that I remember him being like a vocal artist on there but on production side or like you know songwriting stuff there was a singer in Montreal named Yi Rosenbloom who I think moved to Florida eventually and his first yeah he's a nice guy actually he owned a small music store in Montreal for a while where I bought one of my first guitars this one here I saw it and I fell in love with it it was so cool oh wow remember I like so see that's such a u guitar yeah that's why I saw and listen I I I couldn't afford it and he was nice enough to let me pay a hundred bucks a month before I so I paid it off and then take it out and oh wow so he he had a connection with my father where like my father father I think wrote the song on his album called um The Winds of Change it a song that Yi sang but my father wrote it for him um and there was he worked with uh several others I think there was another song that uh another album that he may have been involved with called um Jerusalem Echoes uh and another guy named uh shom kugle I met his son at some point like I can't remember the it was you know I'm I'm I'm trying to remember things from like decades ago um where he was involved either on a production side or vocally to small you know in a small part but um his collaborations with a more mainstream artist I I never other than Miami experience uh and like the H concerts and the other things been at like I haven't really uh I don't think he's been on May Journeys was a big one I mean maybe was very much up there and he was on I think the first three Journeys albums um yeah I was very privileged I was very privileged to be on the fifth one which was like a dream come true for me and um that that's a funny video where was it was you was you and ab were you were dancing to the an official yeah that was that was in Donny gross's Studio remember my uh which Donny gross is a legend yeah I can't say that enough he's a legend and and the Jewish music world from my understanding is like every like 10 years or so a new producer comes on the scene that just tears everything up and like becomes like a legend and Donny gross is now like the IT guy that everybody everybody goes to and I'll tell you I he's so good he's so good and it was a huge honor to work with him and to work with ab and and to meet them both he's he's one guy where you could tell like he even said this in the I think it was a mhaka interview where he himself was saying like I'm not that much of an open guy but you can tell or actually it was like it was when he was doing his a interview and they interview him in Israel or something but anyway but he was basically saying how like he's not like that of a person that's out there like in a personal level but you could tell he has so much in him like you literally see him like he can't sit you literally see him when he sits down or when he like his mannerism like he has so much in it to express it's unbelievable he incredible incredible uh producer and and arranger and and I I just like it it was as a as a as a producer I'm not like a massive producer like him but like it was it was it's always fun to watch other people's like thought processes and how they how their creative process develops and while he's working he's just he's just working so fast these ideas are coming at him like really really like he's like okay I'll do it this I'll do this an octave hire like we're just like we're we're banging them out like like like pancakes and I can't I can't imagine like like how how many hits this guys have made like he's just like yeah you can't even count them at this point but there's you know thank God you technology uh Advanced so much so that anybody the cost of Entry to get into this you know business is so low now anybody with a computer at home and a decent sound card and you know relatively decent microphone which not doesn't even cost that much today can get their feet wet and get started at it and you know once you develop enough of a uh following or a knack for it you know you can upgrade your equipment and over the years that's what I've been doing and uh I got to work on some nice gear that in his studio and I was like oh cool so that's what you're using and I'm like I'm like being the Gearhead you know looking oh that's the mic that you're using or that's that that you know vocal strip that you're using and was I always imagined his Studio would be like much this big huge type of room but it was like know the basement of his house you know and I'm like this is where all these hits are coming out of this is amazing you know yeah the amount of Music my father would be able to make with a guitar and a voice like this guy's putting out hits in the same same type of yeah real estate you know I do have one idea for you before we end off it's not something to elaborate but one idea yeah what's up what do you think of an idea of you harmonizing or singing along with old tracks of your father father would that be something you would be interested in because I I I would love that like I I've seen singers do it like I I had um I I had the idea to do that um again until recently until very recently like would have been impossible because we don't really have uh good quality enough digital things of my father's music um whereas a lot of that changed because now there are at the same time you're not the first person to suggest this um as much as I would feel like it'd be a huge honor to do that I I know that as a as an as an artist myself um you know it's you don't want to take someone's original thing and then just like put your own watermark on it you know it's like I don't want to I I would feel like I would taint the original uh uh thought of what it should be although I I would love to do it but I feel like my father might like you know ask AEM to strike me with lightning for doing it I don't know as the artist in you is telling you it's prob it's the artist of you basically as the AR me saying don't disrespect somebody's work uh by trying to like you know piggyback on it like uh I I I covered his stuff and made made you know pretty decent versions of his things on my own what I might maybe try to do is sample his voice into cover that I'm doing that's not I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it the other way around right does that make sense like it would be a little yeah it makes total sense it makes total sense yeah like if my father wanted other thing is like don't change the words for my song don't make a song called my shle instead of my Z like he very particular about keeping this thing authentic and truly original so like I'd like to keep that if I if I somehow squeeze him into one one of my covers if it's like maybe I consider that that' probably be a cool idea I just got to figure out how to do it now right yeah exactly all right so repia thank you so much for joining um at the time of the recording you're coming out with the remastered um of of your father solo album that's coming out this Friday when the episode comes out it'll be it'll be everywhere it's going to be on uh right now you mean the the the old version which is AAL quality is available on like 246 um and a few of these things but but not on Spotify or any the other mainstream things the um this one will be like a 32bit digital remaster and like super high definition audio um and this one is gonna be on the 24th I think it's just Friday whatever the date is just Friday yeah the 24th 24 so yeah so everyone out there please check it out yeah yeah do you have any other personal projects that you're working on always I'm always coming out with new music um and uh I I try to like put out more original stuff than covers of my father's things because I feel like now that I got a lot of the old you know the older stuff uh back like that it's like an indication saying okay put out more you now you know but I have um a few things cooking my latest release was this one called um uh calling my name and that song uh I just released like a couple weeks ago and it was about uh how you know sometimes we're pushed into and forced into making a move or like Hashem like feels like we reached this plateau and like we're not moving we're staying stagnant and applies pressure in different areas of your life in different ways that that manifests and it's and and some people look at it as oh I'm being victimized like look look how bad things are happening to me or look how I feel like I'm not going anywhere look look and the reality is it's just hem saying hey you know I'm calling your name I'm trying to tell you like to you know give you a kick in the in and in in the the backseat of your pants to get you to move a little bit over here but you're not listening so move make some positive change in your life you know so that's what this song is about song Calling My Name is about those times where we feel under tremendous pressure and and and and and and it's like you know the example of a diamond you know that has to be put you know Carbon put on under tremendous pressure to become a diamond or like a seed that has to like like rot in order to grow life out of so that's what that sounds and that's the one with the AI thing I was playing about to check it out so be curious to see your reaction to that all right yeah definitely react yeah perfect I'll definitely give a reaction to that uh thank you so much for your time and I hope we talk again uh go deep really meaningful fun I really do feel like we went deep and especially I I love conversation like these and and thank you so much for uh for the fan of me to get these stories thank you so much my pleasure my pleasure it's an honor being on on your podcast thank you and I look forward to sing it all right thanaz I love the whole conversation I never expected how deep he would go and detailed he would go both personally and his personal life and also with stories about his father and I actually like kind of how we got to a look change a little bit where we were just talking to each other about music and about what we love and about our personal lives and so and that's the point of the podcast not just about to listen and get interested about people but but just to see uh Ju Just to to have a conversation with someone is the main point um so that was nice um I am reporting right now from England so that's the time where I'm releasing this episode so I had to get this done for you guys this episode had to be done I had to put it out as soon as possible and barash I got the job done parm God is good and uh please join me next week where we will have a very special guest which I interviewed last week and I can't wait to release it next week uh which will that will be announced soon so uh please comment below other um people at the Jewish entertainment industry that you would want me to uh have a conversation with and to bring it to you guys that's all for you guys so I would like to see your comments and your notes about this episode and for what you want to see in the next episode see you guys later