Money is your values in action - and more - with Wealth Manager Adam Oliver

really I just view money as as values and action what people say is important to them is one thing what they do who they give money to um how they earn their money where they where they choose to allocate the resources um kind of defines who you are and in in so many ways in this life and being a financial adviser now gives me a seat at the table for so many people's most important life [Music] decisions so welcome to yet another amazing podcast another ol mentorship podcast and before we have our amazing guest which we'll have today this guy's a rockstar of rock stars he's young but like the world's open to this fellow actually he's a mentor for three people which is insane as you'll hear so I wanted to give a little update of what's going on in the global mentorship world on a sad note sadly we lost one of our mentees shaie bakar who was an incredible young lady full of life and energy and positivity and sadly she was murdered and cold blooded by an Arab and we're going to be doing an initiative to try to commemorate her memory across our many Global platforms of mentorship sha was very into being careful what you say in positive word power we're going to try to focus on that with our uh mentors and our mentees but on the on on the other side on the flip side things are going amazing with mentorship so wanted to kind of share a little secret with you and that is that we are taking on a bunch of new initiatives and chapters and really scaling mentorship in a beautiful way so we'll be doing some stuff with our friends out out in the west coast brand new chapter we'll be doing some stuff um with some of our um some of our online programs where we have incredible programs um we'll be doing some stuff with college campuses that we haven't yet been working with so lots of amazing and incredible stuff um on the ol mentorship Horizons and um really nice to share that uh I know one of our mentees i n her permission just got engaged this week which is so awesome and so amazing I know she's talking to her Mentor a little bit about wedding tips and you know marriage tips so mentors are for everything they're not just for professional advice or character development necessarily that could even help you figure out a wedding and how to make the most of the period of time between your engagement and your wedding so lots of good stuff happening on that end in mentorship as well and also really exciting to share that we are hiring uh we just hired another incredible talent to join our only mentorship um operations team uh we'll be introducing her one of these days and some of you guys may get to meet her as your mentorship coordinator so we're growing we're scaling we're thriving we're hopping and at the same time we're also taking a deep dive into a lot of the existing mentorships to make sure that they're working kind of like the uh startup mentality here what works we build on and What needs Improvement uh we pivot and that's really the way that you know we're we're experiencing this incredible Global success so you know stand board and um here we are really proud to welcome on board um Adam Oliver who will be joining us momentarily all the way from snowy and cold Denver Colorado actually Adam said that he would when he joins us he really would turn around his computer because you could see this gorgeous 14,000 square you know snowcapped mountain in the background but seems like there's a su glare so he can't share the beauty with us but hey Adam's a sunshine himself and uh here he comes so let's uh let's do this Y and good morning to Adam Oliver all the way from Snowy Sunny Colorado does that make sense that's where we're at here good morning okay so for those of you that don't know I met Adam probably about two years ago uh we sat around and had some dinner from one of the local uh Denver uh koser eateries I mean it's not bad for a guy from the East Coast but not bad and uh we we chatted mentorship and like he's been on board in a substantial way just just to not to like toot his horn too loudly right away but um Adam is more than just a mentor he's a super Mentor he's got like we said multiple mentees he's kind of like an ambassador he's pushing mentorship forward and ahead so I think he's such a great guy to to you know to interview today and I'm excited about the the short time that we spent together so thank you so much for joining us Adam thanks so much sure so if you could just take like two or three minutes max uh to share a little bit about like where you grew up a little bit about your educational Journey uh maybe what you do professionally where you are in life at this stage and this age you don't got to your age just the stage um I'm sure people we always like knowing a little bit about who we're talking about before we actually picked our brain yeah great and and you know the my my Jewish journey I think fits in pretty perfectly to mentorship it's been something that I was thinking a lot about so I I grew up actually here in in Colorado um you know grew up with a conservative background so I had a bar mitzvah and after that point really all Jewish connection kind of faded for my life I didn't get it I you know I didn't I didn't have this this deeper sense and so went on you know went from Colorado actually a competitive athlete I was a a college swimmer went to University of Utah and then from there graduated in the middle of that's a nice college for like for a Jewish kid no you know to be to be totally honest um I think we we see what we want to see and so being in a place so dominated by Mormons there was so much so much good and and so much potential but I saw the hypocrisy I saw I'm not one of them you know so this this whole religion thing was was even further from my mind to being there um went went from there I actually lived in Boston for a few years right out of school um I got married and everything was good you know we were this this power couple you know both had professional jobs my my wife at the time you can see where this is going she um was at Harvard she she did her her master's degree at Harvard and um from there it was more success led to more pay led to more responsibility and kind of on and on and on on the cycle um we ended up moving from from Boston to Minnesota I really built a career in banking so was helping you know company a by Company B for $10 million actually worked with one of the biggest um suppliers of buns to McDonald's in the in the United States um of carbs 30$ 30 million Factory to crank out something like a million buns a day uh it's an amazing business and as this was happening me and my my wife at the time had a lot of disagreements about how we were going to raise children of how we were living life together and It ultimately ended in divorce um this was a kind of shook my world you know I was I was 30 years old um you know when I when I looked at at her when I looked at so many other people in my life whether it was my clients who were these these business owners I looked at some of my colleagues they were so successful but I wondered if there was something more you know if the success led to this more responsibility and this kind of being being trapped in that World um at the same time they open a Birthright for 28 to 32 year olds so I was living in Minnesota I was ready to move back home to Colorado so I up and you know quit my job I said you know I can find another banking job in Colorado so I left Minnesota I went Birthright and then I spent the next six months traveling through Europe so kind of living my Gap year at uh you know in my my early 30s that's like an early midlife crisis right that's right you know it it honestly it was because I I was in Minnesota I'm starting over I'm questioning who are my friends you know what is the purpose of the work that I'm doing who do I want in my life what how do I want to design my life and I'd really never asked these questions I was kind of on this track you know I'd say there was school there was Sports there was career it was all kind of this linear path and so this was the first time in my life you know in my my early theories where I questioned all these things where I actually thought deeply about them um it turned out I didn't find the answer traveling in the beaches of mikinos I didn't find them in the Swiss Alps which as Rabbi Lando and I talked about are slightly less impressive than those in Colorado oh my gosh let's not start this now anyways go ahead and as as part of this journey um I I ended up doing a 10-day silent Meditation Retreat in France and in Bo in French Wine Country and it pulled from all different areas of of religion there was Hinduism Sufism they mentioned something called aidic practice my my Jewish connection was like that's not the guys with the curls that must be something from a thousand years ago because Jews don't meditate this isn't part of the the Jewish practice um so that was that then I I came back to Colorado and I thought you know I'm going to leave Banking and I'm going to get a degree in Psychology and I'm going to do something in corporate mindfulness corporate Wellness I want to help these people who were so successful in one domain have a deeper appreciation of what what success and what what kind of meaning looks like on a deeper level so I planned a six-month trip to India I going to go to India I was going to learn meditation in yoga spend some time in the beach spend some time in the in the Himalayas and on the way I stopped for a week in Israel I wanted to get the Jewish approach to meditation I felt like I at least oh that's my it was a stopover you know you go to you can't fly from from the US to India direct so they you know stop over in the middle e um my week in in spat turned into two years in yiva I never went to India um and it was the first time that I had seen authentic kind of Torah Judaism um this this depth behind it um and you know long long story short we can certainly dig more into this if you'd like but I realized I didn't have to make this dramatic career change um that moving from the the banking side into now what I do is is Wealth Management was kind of the perfect harmony of of all these pieces so I I would say in so many ways now I'm a professional Mentor um and and why I say that is because moving into the personal side of money really I just view money as as values and action what people say is important to them is one thing what they do who they give money to um how they earn their money where they where they choose to allocate the resources um kind of defines who you are and in in so many ways in this life and being a financial adviser now gives me a seat at the table for so many people's most important life decisions you you got someone selling a business someone going through a divorce you have someone whose parent or or spouse just died they're sitting there thinking of how do I make meaning of this how do I how do I how do I live my my best life my most full life we're building a financial plan but more than anything we're with him in those moments and so taking the kind of travel that experience taking everything everything that I've learned in in yiva and taking the Jewish approach um again kind of coming back to to the start is where I feel like now now financial planning has shifted from us being the experts um to being a a thinking partner so what do people want to accomplish what's most important to them um how do they want to Define this time on life first we start with that and then we use money as a tool to help to help create that that's incredible because I don't know if you know this but like we've had numbers of a number of of iterations of of mentorship and when we first started even before the two of us met it was more career focused it was strictly conversations about like your work environment how do you Pro get promoted some of the struggles that you may be having with your boss etc etc we came to realize really quickly that most people most reflective Jewish people that's not enough how many conversations could you have about a bad boss or about making more money they inevitably wanted to have more you know deeper conversations and more reflective conversations and then we all of a sudden realize yeah let's talk to our mentees let let the mentors talk to them about profession because we actually try to match on commonality but at the same time you know life is 360 Degrees there's so many moving pieces you have a mentor who got so much more than just you know professional Acumen or just a perspective on on the work let's talk about like you said you know who you are and where you want to go and the money's a medium your job is I always say this you know there's life and then there's making a living making a living isn't living it's just making a living so that you could live life but for many people that's you know something that they they mix up all the time so I love what you're saying because on some level even though you're a financial planner it's just how do your finances how do you plan the finances into the rest of your life correct right and and how do you we we start every new client we start with asking them what they want out of this life we get to have those conversations which which is so amazing to me because then then say you know if if the ultimate goal is to spend time with your family then we're using that decision to guide okay whether you sell the business this year or not whether you buy the new car um whether you're you're giving more to charity um all those conversations fit in and and those decisions I should say fit in based on ultimately what you want to get out of this life so we get to use money as this tool money money isn't the end goal by any means and we it's it's fascinating too the number of people that we work with you know our industry and certainly what we do excused towards people who are wealthy and and can be very very wealthy most of the time money isn't the problem anymore you if you have $10 million you have $15 million and you know uh uh all all your basic needs are taken care of so we get to shift this conversation um towards how are they going to make an impact how are they going to leave a legacy um what do they ultimately want to do now that kind of they they've solved for that making a living piece as you had mentioned that's so you know I remember distinct conversation I had with a fellow who was doing so well in real estate this is before like the last year when the interest rates went went through the ceiling and and he had he could he was probably 50 and he could have retired in great luxury for the rest of his life he owned more than one home and he owned a tremendous a tremendous network of of real estate and I said to him like why you still working like why are you still working and he says I'm not satisfied until I build a real estate Dynasty I want my kids I want to die and my kids inherit a dynasty it becomes a real estate Dynasty and I wish that I could have had him have a conversation with you because I think one day he's gonna look himself in the mirror and be like what what is a dynasty what does that even mean this is not like you know you know the ancient Chinese like there has to be something more in life than just that he's a good reflective guy but like in his in his uh professional life he was so Raaz our focus on just more and more and more and never stopping and never you know sounds like a guy like you could have really given him some pause the the other thing that I would say as well is you know we we kind of joke in some ways we've become um a math lesson the dentist and marriage counsel are all wrapped into one this this painful conversation about money memories and and you know on the the marriage side as well we always like to have both both spouses in these conversations because his and her vision may be very very different you know and it it becomes more and more important as you you know there there's um it's it's very sad to say but there's this growing gray divorce of of people retire um and they they don't know each other anymore they haven't built this this future they haven't built this Vision together and and how important family is and and how important being together it's you know we um like to say whether it's in in business or in mentorship I feel like a lot of times we're we're here not to not to tell people what to do there there's nothing I like less than being should on being told this is what you should should do but we can hold up the mirror we can in so many ways like a therapist be that reflective oh I'm hearing you I'm hearing one partner say this and the other partner say that um maybe we should meet together maybe we should meet with someone to understand how you're going to reconcile these different Futures because if he wants the dynasty she wants time at home together you know is there is there somewhere you can refine each other and meet in the middle so clol let's let's segue a little bit into mentorship if that's okay if you could share with our with our community like you have how many how many mentors have you had so mentees have you had so far uh three three amazing are they all Denver based yeah uhhuh amazing and and you know you know not my wife always says don't uh don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back but like what what has been what do you think you've brought to the table like you know once you're at your third already obviously you're getting you're seeing something you're seeing success you're feeling meaning from it what what do you feel as a mentor you're getting out of the mentorships yeah it's it's really it's been really interesting to have some some challenging questions and some some deeper things um you know that maybe I'm I'm grappling with as well you know I had with with one of my mentees this whole conversation around so he's a um a a high school track coach among among other things and he's asked me questions around um some some of this conversations that we have where do I someone comes to me there they're concerned about there there's mental health issues things like that I'm not a mental health professional so how do I have this conversation with them what what's appropriate advice to give and and where is it appropriate for me to to to kind of refer out how do I have these conversations and as we're we're grappling through some of these real life scenarios I'm I'm thinking in this conversation right now you know as as a mentor um how do I learn of how do I express what I can and where do I say I don't know where where it's appropriate you know I think think um um one of the things that you know when when I initially think mentorship I think um you know someone in the in the Jewish Community naali Horowitz who's who's re recently you know he he's a financial adviser um similar business but I you know I would say he's 20 years older than me and and certainly on another plane and then when I think about spiritual advice or guidance you know I'm five years into into balua you know I spent a few years in yiva kind of what do I know compared to Rabbi landow compared to by wolf in Colorado compared to you know the uh great rabbis of of a generation and so it's it's recognizing that um we can all be experts in the place that we are you know so there there's something really great about having someone who's one step ahead of you in in in certain areas of of your life you know if someone is considering maybe going to Yeshiva uh it's a whole different conversation to talk to someone who was there four years ago compared to someone who you know finished their time in Yeshiva 40 years ago um yeah I would say that that's uh yeah yeah I I want I want to try to do something here so we we pulled a number of our mentees and we asked them you know when we do speak have you know broader conversation with just general mentors not obviously not their own Mentor like what are some questions or things that they would love to have an insight into so if it's okay I'm gonna ask you one or two questions and then kind of jump back to to Adam's Journey versus just uh versus just these questions they're not just they're amazing so um I'm assuming you're probably in your this is totally assumption high 30s is that true that is 37 thank God I was okay here they say you're never supposed to say do that but whatever so you got like you know three plus decades you know under your belt what do you say right now is your absolute greatest success I think it's honestly being open to the journey um of of going going through radical change it's it's one of the big big things that I think so much about now is change is is there's all these models of of theories of state of change and and stages of of change um you know life was fine in a lot of ways you know there there was this angst there was there was this um um challenge to to wrestle with um you know I say it was fine it was fine materially you know I had professional success um and to radically disrupt you know to to go back to to change life wholesale to to become a religious Jew in so many ways to to get remarried have a family to restart a career there was a lot of anxiety and a lot of fear around like how what's it going to be like to wear a keepa in the office what's it going to be like to go back after know being a a lead Banker of now joining a new profession um re-entering this and and having all all these great ideals and hopes but can I actually do this and and kind of bearing bearing through that I'd say those really Challen alling personal struggles and grappling with with change and and kind of seeing it's possible to come out the other side I I would say that's been the been the highlight thus far that's amazing because I think most people they their default is cruise control let me just keep going the same way that I was going and let you know they have the Teslas now that just drive for you I I don't want to be in the driver seat let life drive me but then you don't really own life you know so yeah change is hard but sometimes you look in the rear of your mirror and change is the best thing that ever happen to you so that's amazing that I think that's a very valuable lesson I can't wait to hear you know in a decade from now what your next you know next decade's going gonna teach you and maybe Imam will have that conversation you never know man um who um who would you say in your own life has been like if you've if you if you actually have like a mentor somebody who you you know when you look back at in the rearview mirror of life you're like that's probably a person that I would call a mentor yeah so I think when when I think Mentor I I also think the word role model and and someone who was such a defining role model for me so when I was on my my Jewish journey I was okay I'm a typ a driven guy you know so spat was great spat really helped break this Paradigm for me of what an orthodox Jew was but it wasn't home you know I needed to be around I ended up at yiva where that the head of Yeshiva was a Wall Street Banker I felt much more much more at home there um so I went to this this was in the the harof neighborhood of of Jerusalem when I was at M Yakov there was a a family that that we went to where I'm sitting at a Shabbat meal and it was someone that I I'd never met before and I'm seeing him sitting at the end of the table um he has his son on one knee and his daughter on the other he's you know around all this family he's talking about well first he's he's disrupted his family he's a CEO of this company and he moves to Jerusalem um and he's sharing how this week's Torah is basically verbatim or I should say what was in this week's Harvard Business um Journal Review is basically verbatim what's what's in the the the Torah portion so he's a CEO of a company he's he's there present with his kids um he he's living this spiritual life and I think that there's there's so many so many Role Models out there who are so incomplete you know I I I've been been watching um the Last Dance the the the Netflix documentary by Michael Jordan I I watch it when I work out and one of the things I love about Michael Jordan is how clear he is is he's I'm not a role model I'm a basketball player I'm not involved in politics I'm not you know how you look at my gambling problems and and some of these things don't look at me as a role model I never wanted to be a role model I'm here to play basketball I'm here to let my skills show and for me to see someone I I'd never seen my life this this kind of complete person and to hear his journey and the the things that he gave up but the opportunities that came with it of of him also becoming religious and and and and changing his life in in so many ways um that was the the really the kind of final turning point of of me being convinced around this this way of life of seeing that type of community seeing that that type of person who just seem to from the the interactions I had just embody being a complete person that's wonderful that's amazing I think you know one of the one of the dreams you know there there's something called did dreaming The Impossible Dream I don't know if you ever heard of that acronym you know one of The Impossible Dream imp that we have in the you know in the building our mentorship community is that students should be able to have a real a window into the life of some of their mentors we have some incredible mentors not just that they should get you know professional guidance or even just you know guidance about let them see that this person is what is quote unquote living the life that they really and balance oh my gosh you know your career and especially if you're being really successful and your family and just like prioritizing that's something which is really precious and it's not common it's really not common yeah listen I don't know maybe as a financial Financial Consultant you see this but like people who have a lot of financial success don't NE that does not translate into having success in other areas of their life at all literally yeah um I remember you know as a rabbi that I I I cross path with with a young fellow who it from the outside it seemed like he had everything he goodl looking dashing guy really successful massive home a fleet of cars you know the summer homes and everything but as we became closer to one another and to his credit he was looking for somebody to really help him I realized that beneath the shell there was so much pain and nothing was in order and to the outside world it seemed like you know everyone would be like I wish I was this guy yeah and then just take a look a drop deeper and You' run you'd run for the hills or in your case the mountains right so you know yeah I think I I'd love it that the the me te and this is like one of our big form a long-term relationship go to their home for Shabbat if they want to have you um sit down and sit down and see what they do you know when they come home from a long day that they don't just you know veg they they they they spiritually grow they spend every time trying day trying to learn or to connect to God Like These are deeper things than they take your life to a whole new plane so you might you seem like the kind of guy that I wish I had as a mentor I'm just saying you know um what would you tell uh M who's about to have their first meeting with their Mentor um and I know one of the questions that we try to push the mentors to ask is like what do you want to gain out of this Mentor but like I'm I'm kind of like you know turning the tables now take yourself back you know what 15 20 years and you have this opportunity to have a great guy in Denver who's you um like what would you tell them like what's the best advice I could give you to really try to gain from this mentorship the most that you can I think about for for me for me personally you know may maybe people have a similar personality to me is is U to recognize that relationships and that change takes time um it's it's easy to to jump in and and to either jump to conclusions I know I know that that I've had some conversations what whether in the mentorship program or kind of generally with um some of the the kind of Jewish Outreach initiatives of people either it's black and white well I'm either I'm either going to be uh you know I'm not not sure check all the boxes or going to get to this place where I'm you know wearing a black hat and a rabbi or on the other side you know any any custom anything taking on is is kind of scary here um and recognizing that building a relationship with someone I I think it's there's recent recent data around this I I forget exactly what the number was but I think it's something like 18 hours or or 20 meetings of with someone until you really build a friendship you know and and recognizing that these things take time um and that certainly change there there's all these these stages of of change that we have to go through that you know you can't skip um and that it it can be easy to go too fast or or kind of too slow but just recognizing that things take time to to let it happen naturally and and organically and that building the connection leads to kind of wherever it's meant to lead you know so I I would say that and and having kind of on a similar vein um going into things without too much of a set objective you know because one of the things that I love about Torah and that I love about growth similar is that you don't you don't know where it's going to to end up we talk about this all the time kind of you know my last financial planning um example is um someone wants to retire with a million dollars so you you can build a path okay you're going to save $20,000 a year you're gonna have compound growth and so then in 20 years you're going to get there but it turns out along the way you need to buy a new car and then you have another baby and then you get a promotion you get more pay and then you had a medical expense so some of this money goes away that we we we have a general direction that we want to go but how we get there that the steps to take are totally undefined totally unknowable and being kind of being patient and letting letting the process go and and I say that's similar to Torah and so far as when you get into the tal mod you start out at one topic and you bring an example from a totally different area and it pulls you you learn something you never thought that you would learn and then oh and now now you understand how that relates to the issue at hand and you it's very very hard to see the the forest for the trees when you're when you're in it amazing I mean that's I think it's wonderful Insight Cassie you like one last question you know you're saying that you're about five years into your into your quote unquote Jewish journey in a substantial way like I think one of the scariest things on one hand but personally one of the most amazing things about Judaism is Shabbat you know personally the fact that I shut my phone off and I disconnect from technology for 25 hours literally is like CPR in my life literally each once every seven days I get CPR on the other hand you know you know looking at it from a different perspective we're such a connected society and we never stop and there's opportunities and just many things that we really could do on Shabbat that we don't do like could you talk a a little bit about somebody who's like I guess it could say on some level relatively novel when it comes to this to this topic like what does shabbat mean with you what were your trepidations and you know now as a father and as a husband like you know does Shabbat have different meaning than when you were single you could just just share what's in what's in your mind and your heart yeah um that was that was one of the the biggest things that that struck me um when I first got to the spot and I I really for kept Shabbat for the first time ever when I was there I I never even even really had attempted Shabbat or or really had an appreciation more than lighting candles and maybe you know eating some food um I don't know how now to function without that break in so far as I find it really takes time um to get into it like I find now being a being a working guy um I especially Shabbat is so early in the winter I'm finishing up meetings and calls and I have all these things in my mind and then Shabbat starts and it's GNA be really really hard to to have this disconnection but then I find waking up and you know having this this time to chase around a two-year-old um you know spending spending time a as a family knowing that you can sit with friends I mean what other time can you sit and have a 4-Hour meal with with people um invited into the homes of of basically strangers um being able to to go anywhere in the world and and to feel this connection um I should say Oli when I was traveling set me up with a a family in in Paris when when I was traveling and being able to to experience that um this is kind of kind of related to what you're saying but it left such an an impact on me I just need to share it I um when I was traveling and I was in Rome I went to the great synagogue in Rome um and underneath it there was a museum in the museum they were saying no other people no other people after losing political Independence which when the the second temple was destroyed and Jews have been scattered no other people in losing political Independence have kept their identity and kept their culture other than the Jews and the thought of over time and over space everyone doing the same thing that that that had s you know thinking about making Kish and and seeing from in in Rome seeing 500 year old thousand year old Kish cups and and Hollow boards look exactly like we what we have at our at our table now I think that that sense of connection across the world you know in such a divided place and such a you know I'm just as guilty as anyone with these these devices that that suck Us in and um pull us in so many different directions that having having that time um and and knowing that we're all together you know whether we're in you know and in in God forbid and we you're in Gaza you're you're in Israel You're um anywhere around the world that we're all together as a people and we we all have this time connected it's amazing that's that's very meaningful I want to if possible I just want to want to I want to askas you with like one last thing you know you've been involved with mentorship for about two years if someone's on the fence and they're not sure if they I don't know if I need a mentor life's busy do I have the time why would you tell Mr potential or Miss potential uh mentee um why it's a good idea to to jump on board the mentorship bandwagon yeah I think I think there's there's reasons to have trepidation you know maybe it's around time maybe it's around feeling like it's a it's a program where it's kind of forcing you to to be something that you don't want to be I mean I find that all the all the mentors that we have in Colorado and certainly the as as we've kind of built the program and and gone to some of the national events the the Jewish people unlike any other people in the world are just there to help each other and having someone you know being your thinking partner helping through whatever things that you're wrestling with in in life um I I think that there's such power and such strength to that and and also creating a sense of account ability and and creating a you know belief that there's more that there's more possible and just just to have someone to share that with who's an objective kind of outside person um I think it's hard in in in businesses and in um kind of other other types of mentors or programs really have that that deep connection there's just such a caring that that the Jewish people have for each other such a bond that um to me it's a it's a small commitment that as a you know honestly in so many ways as a as a mentor and a mentee for me that that's made a profound impact that's beautiful that's amazing this has been such an such a really refreshing uh conversation feel like we should have four more because I'm sure every time we talk I'll hear more but thank you so much a for coming on today but even more importantly for the leadership that you've taken and for the for mentoring I think that that's huge it seems like you've told you know you told me Offline that like your some of your mes have made very serious strides in their personal growth and that's really remarkable and wonderful and I just want to end with a with a blessing that you and your family should have continued success and that the events of the next few weeks because I understand that there may be some things coming up in in your family should um God willing um go well and uh let let's continue U meeting so that we can build mentorship and connect Jewish people in a real profound way thank you so so much for your time amen amen thank you as well merely merely paying back in a small small way the impact that you know my that people the Jewish people mentors have had on me amazing thank you so much ad it's been a pleasure all the [Music] BL