Take 2 with Yossi Gestetner

[Music] welcome back to mr baka magazine's take two where we got a close glimpse of the names and faces familiar to you from the pages of the magazine today's guest is very special yasi ghosthatner it's a big honor and pleasure to welcome you thanks for having me it's a pleasure the reason i say it's special it's because i feel like i'm treading on ground where i've watched secular media representatives and journalists try to trip you up and make you falter they haven't been able a little guy like me who never went to journalism school what chance do i have against the titan like you of media but with all that we'll try all right what do you do uh in the private sector i focus on business strategy within marketing okay uh marketing doesn't mean another ads it means the strategy the numbers the messaging of which market you're going to focus whether it's demographics whether it's geographics that's the main work as a side job i'm a commentator of current events uh current events politics in the united states i started out more than 15 years ago in the blood moved now to comabasa and i juggled both and i also try enjoying some time on twitter without any pay you know to keep the conversation going that's not a job but that's you know a sub of the side job and then i co-founded almost nine years ago in february 2013 i co-founded ojpac the orthodox jewish public affairs council whose mission is to fight bigotry and hatred against orthodox jews and to advocate for civil rights and civil liberties affecting the orthodox jewish community and this statement that i just just gave you what the mission is illustrates the importance of marketing somebody who runs an institution whether it's private or public and non-profit whatever but it is they got to be able to feel and say what it is that they do and should be able to say you know they say the elevator pitch you know if the pitch is too long you can stop the elevator but most you know that's the point you got to be able to say and understand and feel better with passion what it is you do so i'll tell you you said a lot of things there which one of the things it leads me to be interested in talking to you today but really like you said i'm sure they're all they all overlap in different ways you know you the way i see it are probably a pioneer and and from us godness and media and the fact that you know i don't know how the the wider hamish from community we'll call it uh looked at anti-semitism was that something that they wanted to invest money in fighting at the anti-semitism and bigotry wasn't the big story that i remember uh 15 or even 10 years ago then things got you know trump's america was a little bit of a tinderbox suddenly everybody everything was on the table for whatever reason both sides were talking about anti-semitism the left to paint trump as an anti-semites the rights because they they were telling you that anti-semitism but everyone was talking about anti-semitism and then king covert and their fingers pointed directly to our community and you were really the first and most passionate voice and you were also doing something that i thought was unusual and that you were fighting back not just with emotional real data so tell me a little bit about that about uh am i right in in that is that what you do and coven in particular was that were you ready for that was that a strategic decision i want to use data did you just feel were you just really angry and you felt like i i think uh i think when you want to make an argument uh you need to have the data when and this this goes back to even the private sector i'm not trying to promote my private sector work but i'm trying to stress how it's all interconnected i like data i like numbers and if you want to make an argument i think it's good to shout a little bit it riles up the opponent as a tactic sometimes people even name call which can come across childish but it has an impact you can sometimes see politicians again trump did it to a fault but you sometimes see people use um certain languages a certain tone to trigger the other person undignified or is the question is what's the mission at hand okay but most importantly you got to be able to have the numbers and the facts if you want to make an argument it's not just to say how dare you say that so how can you say it when the numbers are this because if you ask a person how dare you i just said how could no one else was doing this you didn't have a lot of firm uh offices and bureaus churning out the numbers and the data needed to win how come nobody thought i don't know i i can't i can't tell you why others didn't do what i'm doing but i can tell you why i am doing it i noticed that because i noticed a pattern that government policy is a direct result and an outgrowth of the public conversation regarding orthodox jews if you go back even to a case like rabashkin for many years his plant was the center of attention and negative attention so much so that people from both parties decided to pile on to him as an institution again i'm not talking about the specifics of what he was accused found guilty not guilty i'm talking about the what what led to it and you can see issue after issue after issue even the issue of education um you have the state government in new york and the city government new jersey not so much but in new york everyone is worked up about it you have elected officials uh i mean it didn't happen on its own there's somebody out there who runs an institution or an organization for almost 10 years these days he raises five six hundred thousand dollars a year and he's out there um you know pushing pushing energy educational reform yes uh reform suggests that something's wrong and want to reform it no i call it taking away educational independence from yeshivas so we got to make sure the terminology so his organization was founded a half year before mine i wasn't an answer to him i'm just saying that i have seen a pattern so many other issues even joe heinz who was a district attorney in brooklyn again i know he's speaking here to a larger audience but johannes was a household name in brooklyn for many years he was very even-handed to the orthodox jewish community but when he came under attack he went crazy um so many fights about the erev parks zoning yeshivas a pipeline in kj and especially lake with toms river jackson you see these communities hire you this is something no no no no no it's not about it's not about it's not about me but if somebody has a private or direct pr issue i do private sector pr and if there's a local issue i always suggest that people should hire their attorneys you know attorneys to do the work you should have local stakeholders be the ones speaking or filing claims because if you want to file something in court you don't have standing you don't have anything but the point is issue after issue there's always a direct path between uh information versus outcome so if you want to have a better outcome for the orthodox community whether it is less hate in the street less discrimination the private sector less targeted harassment from government you need to have a fair and balanced conversation that's the concept of what i'm doing now i try to use data statistics facts history and context uh to to present the case multiple counties where there aren't any orthodox jews are at four five six percent scientifically it doesn't make sense to say hey where we are now oh this is the scary red zone down there perfect gestatner stresses the enforcement action unfairly singles out a community while the virus knows no geographic boundaries and i always like uh asking reporters and i keep on saying it you know when reporters ask me i understand y'all see i'm not supposed to cover it i always tell them you can do whatever you want so don't don't suggest that i'm telling you what to cover but there's a simple rule if you would not cover this story or if you would use different connotations and different information but it involves african-americans latinos or muslims do the same for us that's the standard and they find that you're being successful in many areas absolutely i mean do you respect that some more i have a question for you you said fear unbalanced but at the same time once you're already the voice and you're always going to be defending the orthodox community whatever the charges are then you're not balanced you have your i'm not you're not i'm not my job as an advocate or my choice to be an advocate has a different set of standards for what a journalist needs to do if somebody is a hired spokesman for a company under under under that's what you essentially are the highest spokesman i wouldn't i i always thought you know people sometimes just tell me yes you don't speak in my name but i never speak in your name speak in the name of yourself statement and oj back so it's not about defending or wrongdoing it's about trying to assure a continuous fair and honest coverage fair coverage would be that would you are you ignoring information did you reach out to an organizational leader would you write this way would you even have a story if this this is just i'm curious who funds you who made you the spokesman so oh joe somebody's funding you to do this you give a lot of time you're there you're on site and the media knows where to find you that takes time and it takes money and you have to cultivate relationships who's funding that in addition to relationships you need to do a lot of research writing studies editing the production of content videos ads brochures mailers print radio tv distribution funding so i'm asking you i'll answer that in a minute based on what we do based on the reach that ojpac has what do you think our budget is an annual budget you have someone on this some understanding what it takes to be a relevant interview i'm asking you a question because i want to get to a point yes half a million dollars half million dollars a year yeah i appreciate the compliment because the highest budget that we ever had isn't even 250 000 a year and that's the best year which would be 2021. so i take it as a compliment that you feel that we run a half a million dollar budget and we actually do it for less than half than that and that's even the best year the biggest very very cute to watch you do your thing i'm you're impressive but but but but again i want i i wasn't yeah no no because i want to get to a point i want people to sometimes understand or even appreciate they'll be very frank about it what it is that i give in terms of time effort and talent that i do with my ten fingers oh that i want to go on the record here i asked you to come in today because you're impressive that means i have no no no not not the first time like i said i watched you go with data i had never seen anybody do that so the point is i've watched you overwhelm reporters with the data and the they're the ones who are stammering that i've seen correct so half of the funds that we have comes from me comes from me putting in the hours me putting in the effort and the energy and doing the work where if you needed to hire experts to do it and companies to do it would cost easily three four hundred thousand dollars so that so i'm doing it at the expense of my income and family and leisure time that's that okay i'm driven now the rest couple hundred thousand dollars that we raise rank and file people larger donors smaller donors repeat people come back people who understand uh the effort people understand the cause um so they're easier for you to raise funds than it was pre-covered it's people i don't i don't view it as necessarily as a covert i saw it i saw it as a long line which started i think uh from the measles outbreak in the fall of 2018. it's your first big no we have done we have done a lot of work i mean we have been busy with uh the idol in mawa new jersey was in july of 2017. we have had a lot of work it's if we didn't i didn't come on to the scene the last two three years but i think the last two three years it finally dawned on people you know what this is a problem that actually impacts us and if you look why are you different than the organizations do that there's a good other there's the oh you there's all kinds of how i'm different okay you overlap with them work with them okay so so they're places where we work together in places where we we do different things a good as an institution is very active on the advocacy front lobbying uh directly politicians if there's a legal issue aguda would be the one more likely to file a lawsuit amica's brief or guide local communities of how to file the lawsuit that's one part which is very important for a community a growing community community of unique needs to have such an institution but on the other hand you need to have someone out there as a person or as institution no matter the size and we can obviously be much more effective uh you know if we accomplish this with such small budget you know we can be much more effective you need to have someone to keep the conversation honest and even you know you look today versus five ten years ago five ten years ago you didn't have so many people from within the community willing able capable to speak to reporters on the record of their active background i changed a lot of that um by being active by encouraging other people i have a question for you your pro-republican or even pro-trump and you're in your social media profile doesn't that hurt the community that you're representing when you're so obviously on one side most politicians are not circumcised so i think i think this is a very uh not i'm not saying not to use an effect it's a very mesophilic language that's superficial it's very superficial very flattering um yeah okay i reflect like whatever because if if first let's back up a minute um you know as long as i give what i give for this cause in terms of the time the effort and the energy um and and not even breaking even so to speak i think that i i'm comfortable enough to do what i think is what i want to do if people have a different opinion yeah i always step up i'm not asking i'm not maybe it impacts the work you do now let's go to the next part the fact of the matter is that the typical politician in new york knows that the orthodox community is very republican leaning the fact is that a.d 48 assembly district 48 in brooklyn the main district 85 75 voted for romney in 12 and for and for um and for trump and 16. the new jersey numbers are what they are the homicide votes republican and what happens is a lot of officials who are democrats try to accommodate the concerns of the community so if they see an advocate of the community you know as being who he is outspoken the way it is it's like okay you know what else did you expect from within the orthodox community in addition and that's where's the superficial part many on a local level here in new york new jersey many places aren't that democrat at all if you go north of the north of the city in rachman county orange and sullivan all these places are essentially republican strongholds even in new jersey there are some places where republicans are very strong now this is me answering accepting your premise that's what i when i debate a personal try first you know what because let's say you're right but the fact is you're not right i don't i don't i'm not a republican and a republican i have conservative no i have conservative leaning opinions on topics any high machine will be much more conservative than liberal from a toyota perspective i'm not saying i'm controlling tone let's use the word no my tone no my tone is anti-media hackery anti-media belligerent if i'm legend we can get not diplomatic you're not a diplomat but that has nothing to do with republicans but wouldn't it be a little bit i when i take on when i take on uh a a a live from a big institutional media happens so to be that the media is very left-leaning so their lies slants in one direction and it and it agitates me so i push back the whole topic of unfair media is destructive to the well-being of whether it's a country or whether a community right because if you have something give me a second so many policies so many policies even doran covert are based because officials who some of them are driven from office at this time make decisions without any challenge you don't have people sitting at big media asking them basic stuff and when when i see an interview and and it's biased in one direction it's like it's yells at you i want to yell back at it multiple counties across the state with no orthodox jews in in it have worse infection rates than rockland county in orange county while speaking with gestator within the red zone in spring valley a school bus rolls up so we saw a school bus in the red zone that has a school in the not red zone which which actually illustrates a little bit the clown show of the policy that the governor is implementing so a child from the red zone can go to a local a nun red zone this actually illustrates the point that you can't slice and dice a zip code and this part isn't some greater service to the community when it doesn't involve behind them somebody googles yeah some state legislator just came in doesn't know much and they know that you're launching some kind of campaign either not against them but you're trying to have dialogue with them and the first thing they're going to see about you is your twitter profile which is belligerent it's it's very strident it's very tough it's very certain it's very on one side but why is it in your best interest to do that why not just which part which part of it is religion that i'm very outspoken that i can that i can come at people you could come at big people that's that's that's how i am as a person that's that's taken on some pretty high profile people but they've responded they take it seriously of course so so the premise of your question is is false why why would it take someone personally if he's belligerent who says it's a problem i'm asking you i'm trying to understand what i'm asking i'm asking back who says it's a problem i think it could be a problem for some people it depends it depends if you run an institution like aguda whose core work is advocacy yeah you wouldn't want hamdu vsibo or you know some high-ranking people in aguda to be swinging swinging around with a bat i understand it's a more mayofus type of institution my job is my job my advocacy is diplomatic yeah diplomatic yes yeah but i believe your audience understands about the definition by your physicians no i'm taking an issue with the definition of that i do is that i'm going to try to hold people accountable with facts and data and working with them or calling them out for not being fair against orthodox jews there's nothing in the work that i do that i need to be more or less diplomatic than how i am i have a certain energy a certain labor decline a certain direct height and in fact if i were to lose the edge probably have the energy that i have to even if you come across as angry that's by design it's not a design i don't act to be angry i'm sometimes legitimately angry as to how if you have a governor in new york spending three days every day telling that he has an issue of coronavirus in the orthodox community when it's elsewhere it literally bothers me i have to say to the orthodox community tomorrow uh if you're not willing to live with these rules then i'm going to close the synagogue to make it about orthodox jews when there are issues in multiple communities so i'm asking of you governor cuomo please stop skateboarding the orthodox jewish community on a problem that's all over the state coronavirus is not an orthodox problem coronal virus at this point is a new york problem the point is that i'm not i'm not auditioning now for a job at the u.n i'm advocating for the community with a steadfast proudness and demand of our rights and freedoms and liberties not be trampled upon if you want to respect it that's good if not i'll continue pushing that means there has been a situation in the firm community if we're being honest where there were oscar who were very worried about their photo ops or their invitations to the hanukkah parties yeah so they were very scared to take on whatever administration was there because they just needed to be friends with everybody you're not doing that correct so whatever the price will be even though at a time let's say uh was the the anniversary now the attack in muncie yeah cuomo you took him around you were like his guide so to speak now oh that no that was actually during the attack on the morning of that right so i'm saying you it was in your best interest to have that relationship with them so it's nice you're jeopardizing that during covert no so you go no no no no no not necessarily i'll tell you i'll tell you why first of all until a couple years ago one of the private sector jobs that i used to take used to be uh political campaigns because the focus that of what i did in ojpac was exclusively content and media but i figured that to be more effective you got to be able to give a hug for a politician or a figurative punch not an actual punch um so i can't ha run political campaigns in the middle of the year and then at the end of the november in the middle of the year take sides so again that's another sacrifice give that up i gave that up and this used to be worth it very good political uh political campaign management i was i worked for from 2010 to 2018 some of the biggest campaigns some of the biggest campaigns some of the biggest campaigns that impacted the hamish oil i i did the jewish work there and then you gave that up because you can't take on a politician who might be i gave it up i gave it up because i figured that in order for ojpac to be more more impactful we got to be able to reach out to a politician not reach out to call and express their frustrations or give them credit where it's deserving um so i'm not set up that i need to be uh i need to be in good the bad standing with a politician we advocate we we we line up we have already lined up support in terms of voices and people within the community uh every year we have our appreciation event and you attended for us as an institution it's important when someone like yourself and other people within jewish media jewish community media are there it's helpful when you have leading voices on the advocacy front um join such an event because it gives them the physique and it gives us and it helps build the connection between us and the people who make this these things so i'm not i'm not out there trying to fight and box with with elected officials i have a certain persona i have a certain type of you worry that people are cute people say maybe i'm not saying that they do that you're like the jewish al sharpton you're a race baiter that means you're just looking to build relevance on the backs of your people so so so the if if somebody if somebody uses the term al sharpton depends what else sharpen means to them the fact of the matter is and this can be uh painful uh because al sharpton when he was younger uh said and it did things that he came to regret um i think at age 25 at 28 which would be 10 12 uh eight ten years ago for me i i haven't said or done things anything anything anywhere close to what he has done as a young guy on the other hand but on the other hand the fact is that as an advocate for his community he he kept on pushing for fairness and rights for african americans and now it doesn't mean that a person always does everything the right way especially when they're young and if i were to do the things the same way as i'm at 45 as i do now it's going to be a problem because people grow older but as somebody told me recently a nice supporter of us uh he's in the 50s and he's had you at 36 you're being in the 30s you you're still willing to do things that are at age 50 i don't want to do anymore so el sharpen is a loaded terminology al sharpton is a person the person out there you don't you don't need to you need to apologize for asking i appreciate the question i think it's actually a good thing it is a good question he's actually one of them not apologizing for the question he's actually he's actually one again i don't want to use a specific line because that's what's going on i let's back up i personally can't build a profile of being jose stetner marketing executive in the orthodox community says this says that it's not that you have a cause or organization that exists it's out there gives you lc 200 250 000 a year and he builds on a cause no jose with energy and help of people created a cause that needs to be addressed created an institution that has a name that has a brand where at this point uh people reach out for content and and context sometimes to discuss things um you have people reaching out from secular media regularly all the time you have personal relationships with all of them my phone here has probably 70 some numbers of 70 reporters and they call often for comment and oh the call i call them they call me the email from community in fact one of the reasons one of the reasons why uh some hate incidents get the coverage that it deserves which leads to government action it's not just being on tv again i can be on tv and releasing numbers about the orthodox community is is is a is of growing interest in the tri-state area i can be there every month as the executive of a pr firm with an expertise on the orthodox community and with data the same effort that i put in here could have put in there so i don't i don't want to accept it yet i don't accept yet that i that i have a net gain at this point right no i don't accept that no not because i don't accept i think it's a lack of appreciation by some people of what it is that i do and how it makes a difference but being effective but being effective means that yes you'll have politicians come to run to muncie not just give a press conference but they'll provide more state police more local police the fema came running through senator gillibrand's office with extra million dollars for security after the multi-stabbing because we kept that story going i got it i got it do you have people probably older people who tell you just take it slow be a little less do you have that in your life i i i keep on saying uh that haskell bennett who is most known from a good that he is my unofficial mentor why did i say unofficial because in case i mess up he's not you know he well i'm not mentoring him i just tried to help him so think of senior senior asconum in yahada zacharias whether it's [Music] way back i used to have a lot of conversation with uh with the rabbi lipschitz i uh i take advice i take guidance but all all of them know that don't come to yossi with a club of the rick come to him with cycle and with facts and with reason i i am a certain person i have a certain type of energy high profile media outlet that's ever reached out to you are you regular in the times already i have i have reporters on new york times watching the post bloomberg they've all the time has always had this list of people with expertise who so didn't get the community for years we were hearing from the same yeah because because heil man or whatever because because they won't die because there aren't it's ah you are not going to have what i call the troop and act sometimes there is a crisis people say you know we got to hire a pr company in manhattan you're not going to have the chupa nectar guy in manhattan fight for your cause with the zelba hearts like that he lives it he knows what it means or something in the game yes yes he knows what it means that yeah his community they need to have a necktie that's a good thing yeah that's how we call it yeah yeah it's like it's like kim talan he has that uh thing and he has those and he charges you this for that it's like okay your whole way of thinking even the term is very representative of a very new that means the older generation just had respect and and you're saying enough you know if you're not going to preach to us how to fight our campaign you're not going to preach to us i am i i let everyone do whatever they want no i understand i i i i'll ask you this question you know there are a lot of people whether in jewish community media jewish has kunis or just jewish community who like to gossip a lot how many times have you known each other probably eight years how many do you do do you recall me ever gossiping about any one of this no because what we speak is usually about an issue no but how come but but there are people there's certain people in in in our industry who are known oh they'll bring your schlep i have manager policy do whatever you want i really don't care if you can help the cause and you can help it the way i think it's a help come and join us and if not you know our event and again our event you have the movers and shakers of the orthodox community in terms of donors leadership asconus and media do you know there are quite a few people there who wouldn't over there wouldn't speak to each other and even come to me why is he there you know my answer why is he here my answer is some people ask that about you shush enjoy the night on a kitten talk build relationships with people with whom you can work smooth over differences enjoy a cigar enjoy the food what was the hardest question that media asked you live over the last two years of covert what was the hardest thing for you to answer the hardest thing to defend against i i don't i don't defend defend isn't the point defend assumes a wrongdoing that i defend i don't defend i try to explain and give content let's say i'm making this up hypothetically somebody makes an illegal extension on their house i'm not saying they have no permits and the non-jewish neighbors are complaining and the media comes to you and suddenly there's cameras outside the house and you you walk on camera what are you going to say it depends it depends what the question is first of all um i remember it was uh before the second days of sikkis and somebody put out a sign apparently a paper on the door saying that this is going to be a corona minion and a reporter reached out to me do you have any comment comment on what there's this paper what paper somebody said is going to make okay so the orthodox community rackman county are 75 000 people we have hundreds of congregations i don't even know when this this was written who wrote it or maybe an agitator typed it up to create the story you want me to comment i really i really have no what's happening here they're like oh okay so you're not just going to go straight into attack mode you're going to no i i i a lot of times i refuse because the message you would give to the community from here from where we're sitting now to be careful is there any areas i don't i don't again i don't tell anyone what to do i'm just um i just hope that people can be mindful and it's sometimes difficult for me if i have a difficult time on the road if somebody you know if you're not focused that you got to take it easy the end of the day you got to think yourself think of yourself as working in a company where you have your insignia or a certain uniform meaning you stand out as a person you stand out as an identifiable person so try to have a mind that when if you would do something maybe don't do it but not as a lecture i'm just saying it can be helpful however if somebody does something wrong i don't accept the premise that 100 orthodox jews 100 of the time need to behave 100 perfect or else the media can then go and make a big story of it that's the that's the musa the falch not a false cut as falch as in a flawed thinking that people have even within the community well no well well it did happen and so so therefore what and it happened and therefore what therefore the fact my family and i and everyone who who has the same dress code the same background needs to suffer needs to be uh you know looked at in a negative infrastructure and does that happen is it what are there people or situations that you find indefensible on camera i don't recall i don't recall ever defending i've watched you on camera i've watched you it's not it's not defending i can try to i i can try to talk about a situation where it gives a little bit context why people would do a wouldn't do uh you know why you did something that i don't again you i understand the answer is that you're an individual you were it was some kind of meeting a school board meeting or something and you basically got up and lectured some legislators like don't come to my house for philosophy and pictures and then not be there when i need you remember that's like two years ago okay that was right after yeah and that was like it was a new face and voice for hawaii as gardeners in this because what happened okay what happened we never saw anything like that yeah correct so what happened was right after the stabbing in right after the stabbing in muncie two uh two years ago stabbing was 950 we tweeted at ninth at uh 10 30. my phone melted on the spot you had you had uh how was i on on abc seven which is a very influential uh tri-state area tv channel live at 11 o'clock you had the the top people calling me you'll see we want live coverage and then and this pushed it to become a national international story so automatically okay politicians come and people step up so one of the people who came was t james the attorney general and she set up a meeting with everyone in rockland county everyone would be elected officials community leaders clergy and we'll have a meeting and at the meeting we were talking you know it's such dark and i forgot i don't understand we had sitting at that meeting no no not we had a two officials who have spent years fermenting hatred and division against orthodox jews with demonstrable lies and inaccuracies and they're sitting there concerned so i figured you know what in front of this change you did this yeah yes it and every everyone was sitting like whoa what whoa so that's the sharp edge that i still have and i don't apologize for having you because you guys i sat i said because they went around the table i said i want to speak and i spoke for four minutes and i unleashed ghana on on the attendees and like i think i almost pointed fingers at a specific person i think you did and don't come don't show up don't show up whatever that point about sean gop was a general point the point is i'm talking to lawmakers who are sitting here in this room on a state level don't pass any legislation about about hate groups leave the leave the laws as as as they are freedom of speech is what the jewish community needs to thrive but what we need to do we need to do is elected which is one thing this the orthodox community in a raffle county has 65 000 people this county has and thirty thousands of your large community start showing up at our events start being in this community post the photos show that we are not dehumanized show that we are part of the community this is all that i'm asking that was the reaction to that so it depends uh and that's the point where my belligerent part comes across because there were many community leaders and advocates from within the community that wouldn't speak that way the journalist doesn't do that what i mean the jungle if people come and attack you you can go out with clydesdales with clay zion with clothes the people's focus on gulas should be that if you're in gulas i don't want to hear your opinion about masks or lockdowns or shoes and yeshivas follow the rules hundred percent because you're in ghouls don't don't come and tell me yasi how do you the reaction how do you defend the orthodox way you ask questions and you don't you know you move on to quote okay it's not a problem okay yeah it's not judgments and it's an assassin appreciate it my point is the point i'm trying to say is that the the if you read online right it's always about claims against hasidim and orthodox jews i don't want to repeat the claim because i don't want to give it publicity even most people that will watch this are orthodox but so much of the claims is about our general lifestyle which is or isn't whether it's larger families certain income things in and sidewalks and driving whatever so i'm out there doing the research at the expense of at the expense of my income my family and leisure time doing the research and the data and the studies and getting it out there in the media that your way of life should be better understood than not judged and you have the husband to tell me that it's a ghoulish just the opposite because we are angulars we have an obligation to live in peace with the neighbors and living in peace with the neighbors living peace with the neighbors would mean getting the facts and the data out there however if somebody comes and attacks you as i said going back to shin is at least what the bylaws is you can go out with weapons in shabbos you dime thy eyes of weapons yes weapons again i'm not passing and i'm not saying you should take up arms i'm stressing a point it doesn't say this is gonna be wrong i can take it i got it your status what was the reaction was this james uncomfortable with that did you hear from her um i think you must have made it unpleasant okay yeah the main focus was about a big facebook group which right after that i called out that group and how politicians engage with it the immediate reaction was a dead group that literally every article used to be about orthodox jews suddenly changed and for a year until a year ago they behaved since then they became a little bit more easy um there was someone who is in this james circle who was very not happy with it you know we come in here we have an event we host everyone and how do you unleash i heard that person's opinion uh and i respect that person that person stands but um i don't think that five hasidan being stabbed in our neighborhood and our community being on the siege from elected officials and media in ways that would not be tolerated against anyone uh necessarily what about the people who saw that themselves the two politicians themselves those uh those they those two those two whom i pointed at or knew that i meant that they didn't tell me anything and there are officials in this room whose supporters and activists and staff members come and there share on that page every uh post on that page almost every post is about hasidim and this is how it works everything about hasidim is wrong and everything wrong arachne county is about hasidim i know you want to be you know uh an elected official in the state at state level and say that everyone in this room is nice i'm not going to call out names i'm not i'm not even going to look at politicians whom i uh intend with these words but me you know i got a lot of uh videos have you seen any change in their behavior sure sure i mean there was a politician in rockland county county-wide who in 2017 literally every every observant jewish person voted against him this time around the people voted for him i'm not saying in big numbers people didn't rush to run out of facts no i i always tell elected officials even reporters i'm not looking for perpetual disagreement if you give us fin it doesn't even mean that you agree with my view on things with last one you're very good at what you do it's a pleasure to have you here i'm just going to thank you for coming we'd have to do it again okay i'm scared you're going to unleash on me that's the truth i'm just trying to shut the cameras before of the victim that's exactly thank you so much for coming again you and your family thank you thanks for having me [Music] you