Take 2 with Elchanan Schwarz

[Music] welcome back to mishpakhat's take two where you get to meet the personalities the people we've profiled in the magazine sit down with them in real life and invite them into your living rooms today's guest schwartz is a special pleasure for me when you're writing a profile on somebody so the the gimmick if you're a writer you're always trying to say you see this we see something else i'm going to tell you this story that maybe you don't see there's always a little bit of mystique and element of mystery in what we're trying to do 100 shorts is one of the more starts to be a very fun profile i always knew him as just the fun person funny guy you see him in a room everybody's always around him and laughing and when we did the profile a number of years ago we got to hear about a very deep and a very insightful and a very real part of him that maybe you don't see right away if you just know him from his sense of humor from his role as five or seven uber videos and the feedback to the article was overwhelming in the sense that people understood that that things are nuanced things are not always black and white exactly as you see them uh hunter schwartz was a poster boy for that so it's a pleasure to sit with you nuances i love nuance um and and you know it's true you know you're a funny guy right i don't know you know that people laugh when they see you and they're there's expectations big following of from ages like five to nine that's big i do a lot of uh my oldest is 11. so we're getting at the we're getting close he's a boy my three boys uh can i know and then we're getting to a point probably where they're going to be mortified of me they're gonna you know they still think it's nice we're probably getting close to that age you have a role but i know lots of therapists so we can we can so we're going to get there you're a little bit of an anomaly in the firm world if i may say so that like i said i knew you only gently as a funny guy funny person we had a lot of friends in common your voice notes were were even before things were going viral in the firm world you were somehow always front row center in in in chats and people always sharing things from you invitations jokes ideas insights and then i got to meet you and there was so much there which is true for all people probably when you sit with them but you're actually a therapist you're in the field of self-help of working with people working through issues you see you see all kinds of things that aren't so funny so i would love to know let's go back to that how do you reconcile the laughter in your life and the other side of it so um uh the therapy um is you know you're right you got to you got to see a different thing uh there's a great line from one of the big psychodynamic therapist he says dynamic service yeah like that that from that uh of people you know it's a theory theoretical orientation okay modality yeah so um so he says he wrote a book to like the the future therapist and he talks about like the pros and cons of the job and one of those things that he lists as a pro to the job like what's the benefit of being a therapist is that you get like a backstage pass to life you get to see like behind the curtains you know when you walk around you see everybody yeah because one of the things to give you for making you uncomfortable you nail it your ability to call things in the firm world as you see them you're very astute you say in just a few words you're able to to gauge a situation usually able to find the funny element within it and say it in a sentence which is essentially a backstage pastor from life i always thought you know i remember reading um i forgot reading like maybe like dave berry and and who was the guy who wrote the book um all i need to know i lived in king learned in kindergarten remember that was like popular those were two books that were floating around the bmg dorm and i was there and i and what i noticed is is that the difference between that and anybody who knows you you spent a lot of years in dormitories in your life yeah like a decade i really liked it there it was great for me and um the difference between a comedian making observation and like a philosopher or a psychologist you just take it to the next step the comedian just points out the the discrepancy he just points out the problem the anomaly that something's bizarre here and then he just kind of leaves it but the therapist kind of says okay now what do we like what's tuck-up shot in that and like you know saps all the humor out of it and and and turns it into like a thing but i always noticed there's like a it's not it's just one step further do your patients appreciate humor when you're someone's sitting with you and talking about something real that they're dealing with i'm not so funny and i i mean i try you know it's not i'm not so funny in the room i guess as a therapist i love the schmoozing of it like it's a lot of you know at the end of the day you're sitting down you're talking to someone oh you work both in private practice and you work at bina right so i do um crisis counseling fabinho which is a non-profit that helps people with traumatic brain injury and stroke so i do kind of cross crisis counseling for for family members for sometimes for the person themselves that's kind of that's my that's what i do most of the time and then i have a private practice in brooklyn and lakewood as well oh wow very nice i wanted to mention something else that came up but that's how we were all over here you were an older single yeah sure for a while you were an older single yeah older singles is a common demographic in the in the in the film community there are a lot of people who for whatever reason that's the way the that's the nature of our community and its growth and the explosion that happened not everybody gets married at 18 and not every boy is 21 and it's his first girl and a tragedy it is yes and the tragedy it is yeah and uh media which has uh endless his endless father um any anything about you in general those two weeks now we have weeks worth of letters in the magazine somebody wrote an article about actually i'm going to ask you about that because you're a therapist and you're an older single whereby ephram goldberg in florida wrote a cover story for us about six weeks ago the letters hadn't stopped and he was saying that we're totally messed up and how we checked people out for the whom you asked the theme this was his example i loved that he said yeah you have a kid who's in 10th grade 11th grade a little little jumpy they have a strain of anxiety ocd adhd whatever it is which is fairly common very common um and and they deal with it they go to the parents and they say i feel like maybe i'm i'm sad or they drumpier then i need to be more nervous i need to be they go go they go to a mental health professional and maybe using a prescription drug they get it helped and then they function beautifully this is the other guy who never would never went never mentioned it parents said no there's nothing nothing wrong with you you're just tired you need supper well uh who's a better candidate to marry your child off to obviously the first child because the first one is more functional you're going to ask the rabbit they'll say there is something they went to therapist boom you're running away from the shadow he says you're an idiot he didn't use that word but he says what are you doing what are your thoughts on that yes i mean own the problem you know if you ha you know as opposed to yeah i mean but who's going to do a quote unquote better you know so the second person might do a better the first person probably has a better first person will have a better marriage you know so what do you want or you want to do a better schedule you want to have a you know a better marriage you look at the situation of all the singles today and i assume you're still in touch with people who are not married and yeah okay and uh um do you feel like it's harder today or easier today than it was what do you mean 12 years it's got to be harder you got to figure it's harder everything's harder now and what would be covert and everything what with code what what would be your message to to all the singles what would be my message they'll be single i don't know hang in there relax you know it'll happen deal with issues if you have them to try to you were famously i don't know i don't know what was going on inside your heart but you made a big point out of being that guy who laughs his way through it and then there was a point in your life i think in toronto where you were hanging out with kids who were 18 or 19 and working with them and you were 25 26 whatever you were um it's not ideal it's not in terms of your social interaction that a person needs to thrive it's not ideal but you made it work yeah whatever and i didn't have much of a choice you know like uh like most people you know when people make things work it's usually because they have to make them work so where did that come from who who inspired you where did you get the inspiration about my my uh my cousin my uncle the people that i was with in toronto you know i was i had great friends and people you know them some of them um in uh in toronto great people to work with rabbit bridal it's the work for rabbi ryder it's all these people it's good great stuff that's great stuff tell me the story about everybody what's you you once told me a story why why you made a massage at your wedding i found that because he fired me you love that stuff why do you bring it up every time we speak he told me i was single i was in toronto i couldn't date a lot in toronto at the end of the day i was i was i was doing good work there but you know every time i wanted a date most of the time i had to go back to to uh to brooklyn to tri-state yeah bringing us back to an era where you could actually leave canada and come back together yes different time some of our viewers may not know that there was a time yeah you could go across the water right yeah so not any not anymore but in those days you know you could still travel he said like it's not it's not conducive and i didn't i was i was too lazy to i schlepped you like teaching so you said i'm staying here and i'll do it yeah you know you know it kind of peed out he's like listen he feels like he says i feel like i'm enabling you you know so so that was that and then uh yeah i got in you got engaged uh of course you picked up your back i disappointed that i was furious excuse me firing me because you want me to get married what is it yeah yeah you too you know everybody else wants me to get married you know now you also um but i was engaged uh you know a year later so i guess it worked and you made him and he was exactly and he was exactly remember what i think it's a great story you understand why it's a great story yeah yeah sure okay that's with all the signals back to you so you're sitting in bina you do private practice right right you specialize in anything in your private practice i do a lot of adjustment related stuff explain like uh life i do a lot of uh do a lot of teenagers but a lot of people that are dealing with difficult circumstances in life i would say or transitioning to different older singles 23 year old to 30 year old guys that are kind of figuring out what to do next in life uh divorce children are divorced illness grief you know all those kind of adjusting to that new reality yeah or you know going through kind of like testing it must have been very very difficult it was very interesting um and a lot of anxiety in general a lot of anxiety and uh that kind of stuff also anxiety grief you know things like that pasty was very interesting um and i think most therapists will tell you that from like april march 2020 pretty much wiped out people's private practices which was a fascinating phenomenon because no one would come in yeah no one was coming in and just i don't know if it's just that no one was coming like no one no one somehow needed mental health for a couple of months months there everybody i know the maybe the private organizations or maybe the free or maybe it was a money thing maybe it was um and they functioned apparently i mean now it now it's booming so but how do you understand that marge april may june nobody came in and they were okay everybody or they weren't okay they just couldn't get out no i think that you were you were kind of mandated to sit at home and you know and and just chill so everybody sat at home and chill there was no there was no conflict really you moved your practice to zoom or you you i did but even then it was it was not from the i'm saying from what i understand for for those couple months when everybody was in quarantine and everybody assumed that everybody was losing their minds people were doing okay surprisingly maybe people were home in the different world i don't think it was like that in in the private practice of the forum world i got you um how do you understand that a therapist client relationship should work on zoom as effectively as in real life or that means is that is that a question on you the fact that you were able to do it on zoom or really was a bit of the evidence it shouldn't have been that way and i have clients that i always saw on zoom and it's it's not bad really it's not bad i liked ideally even if you're going to meet someone on zoom let them come in let you meet personally a couple times it is surprisingly um [Music] not you would think like i still think that like oh it shouldn't work as well on zoom as it does on and i can't interview people on zoom there's just no flow it doesn't work it's true i'm not able to connect somehow it seems that it seems to be okay you're able to do that it's not i would if i had a choice i would prefer to no person if we're talking about the last 12 months it's not talking about the covet era yeah made and speedily in our days because you saw a lot of it walk over i thought i'll tell you on my side i spoke um straight from like what the challenge was i spoke monster chavez by a school thing and i one of the things i was saying was how the rov kind of guided the islam through through covet i said for those who had colgate i'm saying for those who is the thing i remember years ago i was learning in fallsburg and uh everybody missed share on friday it was a big island this year on friday and her belly button was not happy and the valuables that i thought she was out there right so he was not happy so he came in on monday and he was giving chair monday and he said like a biggest site and um he said over a bigger site and he said yes we can answer what we ask foreign right so it's like so i was saying the raw led the island took over for those for whom it was for those who never had a problem it was uh i have a side question i like saying that because it's one of the few things i could say over for him that you understood you got the whole amount yeah you just imitated uh uh one of the things yeshiva in america a guy named and you're able to do something that nobody else can do it most people if i was sitting in class and somebody imitating rasha shiva at me i would look at him in her and and you you have this ability okay let me take a step back there's a lot of people who are from comedians quote unquote on social media other places that means they're inside the community so if when you're inside you're able to mock right everybody knows that then you have license to be to be able to make the jokes about kappa schlagen and charles shutters and stuff and i find them not funny that means this is just me i have no data this is completely informal based on this shirley basser instinct and reaction doesn't make me laugh you're funny and you're from the few people who are inside and you're able to do it in a way maybe because you essentially respect the system and the people um and there's real reverence in as you show into other things you do in your day and maybe you just know how to first of all you disagree with me that there's not a lot of funding from professionals people who are trying to be funny i like i think i like funny people i think there's funny because some people are funny like you have people send you things in your life yeah sometimes i'm happy to let everybody do their thing i have a friend about david you wrote a book i know i know him very well we were in toronto together for his mom believe it or not really yeah [Music] for the idea of telling jokes especially over the last year uh you know as a source of comfort as a source of hyzer because the source of whatever it is so you know he takes it he takes it very fast he happens to be funny he doesn't have hershey seriously like no the uh you know i think he says by hamilian foreign he's like what are they saying what what are they saying right so it sounds like a cynical thing to say like they said they came up and they're like like this jewish sarcasm the you know that got us through for two thousand years i believe it's over all pseudo from intellectuals drop rehearse that's why i'm wondering so you're saying this is this is i this is this is what i heard if i was really trying to drop would you imitate your life by last cycle in front of him not probably have you ever he doesn't have such great memories of me someone who was like uh you know who would you imitate in front of them and or who have you imitated you you're very good whoever is there a lot of listening to people just a lot and then you know eventually like i grew up with um my mother was a history teacher so um so she was constantly preparing history class and listening to bella wine so by the time i was like 14 15 i was like you know the story of the jewish people in 1876 before the advent of eli whitney and the cotton gin you know whatever just kind of do it in front of other right he seems like he can handle it yeah so i you know did you ever you once told me a story about imitating rabbi levin that's all i'm crying with another on the mic and someone came running to the office the gift was ready to season that was that was a year or two before what was the invitation to share no i don't want to you're going to get uh i'm going to get hate mail no you will yeah you won't edit uh he was a tremendous orator so he when you imitate adam yeah it brings i think to tell me them connect you're doing something for them i think most i think most people most i would say 99 percent of people like they're like i have a friend his name is eddie watowski he's a talented imitator and he went to the shiva forever trunk uh-huh and he imitated up a track to the kids and they they they loved that they appreciated what he was doing because that was his way of reconstructing something because there's always that one guy without a sense of humor though right you know there's always like totally cleveland you probably met one or two cleveland's cleveland's actually pretty um i think cleveland's pretty laid back on this kind of stuff that's what i thought could people from cleveland funny i find that i find that a lot of my my my cleveland friends are very talented yeah it isn't talented is it funny funny yeah funny talented what not not like you know good at the stock market or anything like that or you know they're good at uh they couldn't uh you know they're humorous big sports fans usually and uh you do a lot of uh housing rehabs you know that's uh we should talk about that out of town this is a i think we talk about a lot of the magazines you know in real life i love out of town as well you're probably telling me you live in lakewood right that means you made a decision that there's something about wholesome about out of town raising a family but you didn't do that with your own family yeah because i i don't know like where am i going you know where's my wife uh with my wife my wife's from brooklyn first of all so like there's a limit to like you know when we got married she thought that uh you know cleveland was you know oh my gosh i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to you know fly four hours every time i want to see my parents you know it wasn't just wasn't a wasn't a thing for her she really she really did you know grow up and there's like you know in her map of the united states is you know is brooklyn barbara park williamsburg muncie and then on the western seaboard is cleveland chicago detroit you know like when you're a kid and you think that you know eric's surreal looks like you know this is the castle and then like down the block is is brisk and then you know around the corner is yeah cabaret and then [Music] okay so take a step back or gift us you're imitating a gift around the mic and somebody tells you yeah she was here and you know and this and that but he turned out he was laughing he was laughing yeah because he appreciated that you were creating something i don't know i maybe just thought it was funny i don't know why i don't know why anybody else that you've imitated in front of them or their children in their family i did i once imitated her of dovish just in front of islamic file he thought it was good what do you do i decided i can't do above it now but but uh i did have doubt in front of herself i did rip double once on the urathon and his kid thought it was the next day yeshiva thought it was getting called in yeah what do you do do a little hooray yeah something i don't know who watches this everybody everywhere everybody but i think it's safe to see that double shot's not watching it i don't mind that i i find that the receivers i think it's important about to understand about the lakewood so-called yeshiva lakewood crowd you know people have like this perception of them as being like very intense and you know you know quick to make majors or whatever this and that only on certain things and 98 percent of things they're very laid back the more you sh shiva ship they're laid back it's like asharam same thing mae sharm right amaya sharim amaya sharm yid is in 98 percent of life completely laid back you know um the two percent that they really care about yeah you don't want to mess with that but the other 98 percent they're very light it's it's as opposed to let's say you go a little more you go away from the shivers you go a little more you know uh other types of orthodoxy where like everything is serious to a certain level right besides the two percent that yeshiva are worried about maybe or something like that they really overlap right but but that like everything is like let's go to what you mentioned there are those who said you were instrumental in creating that bread not just the five ish which you are the favorite threat the the voice of fire and the voice of the persona um you also were in the early schmorg videos there were those at the time who said i'm gonna ask a whole question with two parts okay there were those who said i was in kyle in those years and people were very against it because they felt like it was introducing an element of visual entertainment to their kids you know till then you go to from events they would never say the word video so it'd be at a pure casino so it would say audio visual presentation they wouldn't use the word video visual there will be an audio audio visual presentation of schmidt the farmers and nazis or whatever they were showing no one thought had videos in their houses um again i'm i'm a little older than you and those years there was there's no such thing as kids being exposed to videos it's just not a thing that we did in and then uber came and it was kosher it was like a kosher visual entertainment there wasn't a lot of options in that field and and it was funny and everything and and even more dangerous the parents laughed their heads off too so as a parent i remember telling my kids i'm gonna watch it they're like yeah really and i would be standing at the door the whole time laughing my head off that's one side of the argument like you really opened the door that wasn't open before not a great one and then you look at the other argument you look what happened over the last year 12 months in particular parents had their kids home too much and anything goes just just just just just sit quietly i need to think and anything goes wide open you say that there was at least alternatives within the world of firm entertainment that that my kids are not seeing worse things i assume i speak for other parents because i've spoken to other parents about this so i'm asking a two-part question blessing occurs both oh yes i don't really know um i think whenever you have like a shiloh like as to like introducing something new in cholesterol you always have to recycle a risk reward i think it's been like that at any time something develops you know and uh i'm privileged to work for an organization that um they make those decisions they have taken very seriously and i assume that they spoke to the requirements to the good island behind yeah and i can't speak for them you know i like me personally like i certainly didn't feel like oh no i can't be a part of this you know like it certainly seems fine i hear the i hear the shiloh you know you know but i'm sure there's people above my pay green that can make the good i think it's anytime you introduce something new that has a plus and a benefit you know and a downside you have to have people that are gonna you know calculate that risk reward um and and they did it i certainly again for for me for my kids it's a 100 percent it's it's tremendous i think it's a great thing um i'm sure there's someone there can be someone out there it was when we we put the couch and they got ted we're introducing uh you know psychology to i hear i hear this shout out from the world in therapy it's hard for me to believe that there are people who think not only is there i think the firmware is the forward thinking when it comes to mental health we've been we've been ahead of the game that means i i wish my magazine every week therapists mental health professionals you see well i mean it's been out there since 19 you know 20 but i'm saying that means we haven't spoken about these things that that people will tell you regularly in regular conversation adhd yeah including it in normal conversation that child showed us they wouldn't have done that 15 years ago no there's been a there's been a yeah there should certainly there's been a big change yeah certainly i'm just saying like whenever you're you introduce something that's going to have a broad impact it's uh i guess i remember they remember when the jewish observer published that first uh the first does uh all of all of hashem published the article on kids at risk remember what a big tumul that was wrote in that just like it was like finally like oh my gosh there's kids that are going you're pulling back the carpet right right and i'm assuming and it was nice to have that in those days that that people went through the indian and they felt and there is a risk that like oh my gosh now that you're making it a thing so more kids you know you're accepting kids for who they are so there's a chance that more kids will will go will go left you know because you know they don't feel like they have to stay within the fold as much it's a big shout out again my personal opinion you know i i don't really hear this shiloh so much but i i hear the other side i i know what i would come down but it's not my call to make other people you created characters on the schmorg on the earth on that were devastatingly accurate to anybody who knows it from world you made that up in in your own brain you made up that rebbe with his earpiece and we did there's a team at ura i don't like that i get all the credit for it there's a lot of people you know that you know it takes a village to raise a five ish do you see how truly wonderful and exciting tremendous and stupendous the koyakov is [Music] and this same day i was calling eater [Music] hey jeff miller checking in for the flight to urisha line i'm always telling you michelin i like i don't need to check in much you know what i'm saying because like i totally travel like really light i just need to check in my guitar but careful with it it's really fragile i mean like it's emotionally like it's just not ready and by the way kalbach obm blessed it himself and just there's just like 78 other ones in the world so this is like really special i'm not sure if i'm allowed to eat yet i mean what time zone are we in and one side of the plane is a light and the other is and and how do i dive and mama told me that i should have been with a minion right she shiva holds its mom i remember when i was still in union of former soviet republicans the great leningrad goddard rebbe mauricio used to have tears and cakes for secret torah class so if kgb would coming they would think we are having tea and cake party there's a lot of people that are involved but a lot of the kids no one ever said that hillary clinton's uh book that's what she was going for i think for five years nobody there's like a whole team do you think hillary clinton would get fabulous do you think she finds funny it doesn't look like there is something by the way that i didn't shop till like 10 years later about having a bunch of jewish kids running around with the five dollar bill i'm saying that is just wildly um inappropriate for someone who's into yeah today's culture yeah i think there was like one neo neo white website that once picked it up thank god it never been that the five dollar bill it's the celebration it's like they're like oh my gosh there's a bunch of these guys they're celebrating a tiger shark and we're celebrating a five dollar bill that slides into the yeah okay that's today's culture though that yeah you know that we talk about things i never like crossed my mind because we weren't raised to get so sensitive about everything we're going to fly off the handle for every innuendo also that was only as long as trump was president everybody no this was before this is before no i'm saying this thing oh that's hypersensitive right that's really because he it's a dog whistle we used to not be that way and i hope we could continue to go back to the old way it was a trump thing that everything is a symbol of something else and this was really could be i don't know yeah i don't know i just i thought it was funny that like we we kind of didn't hit that did you get any flack you you had you were imitating russian yet with an accent yeah again devastatingly well did you get any any flack not uh directed at me you know i'm sure uber gets tons of hate mail um but uh they're very careful they're very selective about what they forward yeah what they're doing yeah do you there's nothing you do differently you don't regret any of those characters impersonations i i i don't know i have to look at that cover the world in a certain way and you i recognize all the people from my own life most i think most people have a sense of humor i don't think i read when i had anybody like viciously you know i didn't like if you were creating new characters today would you add anybody in 2021 it's just we got to see how like the the the dust settles on on on 2020 hampshire there's like stuff waiting to come it's like too soon you know i mean like but like you could just do like the pro covets the anti-covets the the you know the pro-trumpers the anti-trumpers this characters you know i'm just thinking now like the guy who's like pro-trump with the pickup truck it has like you know an ak-47 and an ar-15 you know that new kind of guy he's he would be probably a good character he would be good yeah yeah and then the the answer oh he's not like then the masking guy right the guy who's mr it's funny i walked into the store the other day i was in a restaurant and i went to next door to buy a bottle of wine as you can sometimes do and i walked in i was like oh i forgot my mask in the restaurant or in the car or whatever and the guy's like no mask and i was wearing a coat that covered and i zipped it up and it basically went up to here and he's like i was like okay see he's like no no you're not wearing a mask i said this is better this is like a hazmat suit there's no mask no service doesn't that you know so there's there's something even though in real life you you're probably a little ten more to the pro-masking side in general you're you you weren't thrilled with the overall response within our community i mean how do you know that just based on personal conversation i think it was very complicated situation very complicated situation as it devolves i was just there was a whole report last night on like nbc news is covering the fact that um basically they were like lining up the california numbers versus the florida numbers and kind of looking at that and basically florida did per capita better than california so i think every guy saw that it was like florida so there's a hollow there's not there's nothing there's nothing like that people you know no one really knows what the right thing to do is i think in general this is more like i see this a lot in in therapy and maybe this is divorce i don't know it's something to think about that people have a very hard time with nuance and being in the middle of something people like to go either sometimes even when sometimes when people are dealing with with catastrophic illness and the people are often will go either to like a place of like no the person's gonna do okay and it's complete hope and we're not and then there's also the no it's over it's finished it's very hard to be in the living in uncertainty and ambiguity so people kind of tend to pull one way or the other i think that's what you mean by adjustment adapting to a new reality yeah living in the middle yeah living in the living in the middle living with uncertainty in brain injury in the recovery or brain injury you're living with a lot of uncertainty for a long time and a lot of ambiguity so it's a very kind of uh it's a it's tough to have you help in your practice or you know give people the tools to learn how to learn how to be in the middle there's a comment that's interesting there's a whole idea in psychology called ambiguous loss right it's this ideas developed by a lady by the name of pauline boss that there are there are certain times when people have experienced a loss in their life which is ambiguous the hainu let's say sometimes there's the person is you know is physically present but emotionally not like in a type of brain injury the person's not really there or they're the same way they were or in dementias in alzheimer's or things like that the person's physically here there's no shiver you know there's no but they're not really here the person's there so it's very ambiguous uh or sometimes missing persons that's that when i took her training following boss was right when uh the malaysia airlines flight was going on so that was like another example where there's no closure you don't like the word so making sure so just kind of introducing people uh i find that when i speak to some of the bina families and we talk just naming that word this kind of music they're like oh they get it as soon as they say it ambiguous they hop right away that there's like kind of this ambiguity and it's very hard because there's no real process someone rahman al sulan is nifty there's a shiva there's a slasher elevation yeah yeah yeah i think if you go not to be too you know if you go like what's the first example of ambiguous loss and the history is is yakov he was there but he wasn't there he's me it's it's fascinating to kind of you know to kind of uh to kind of connect that if you look at that story and the literature but ambiguous loss and to see how much it correlates fascinating yeah i could be nice of yeah so so you're saying in some strange way the firm community itself dealt with this lack of a real clear grasp that you would think that there could have there could have been like a little bit more of a memory and russia our two percent was probably the kids going to school tyra everybody every god doll everywhere you mentioned earlier the whole workshop that the bottom have done over the last 12 months so i think kihilis maybe out of town places war with centralized leadership did a great job in having clarity so you're saying it came into our two percent no i think there's a difference between opening up yeshivas and opening up shules and just right doing whatever but it wasn't clear like you're saying it wasn't yeah but why you know isn't is there not a middle ground somewhere you know where between montreal between montreal you have to stay in your study you know you know or and just completely open what we have curfew you have curfew 8 o'clock at night everybody's home right the government lets you come out for a drink after that time this year if you had tata then you could come out if you got it then you're right back to that yeah it's stressful maybe it really isn't possible to like as a matter of policy like to to to maybe as a matter of policy there's no nuance you either have to choose no one find that in general you you i think the view just saw in the half an hour that we saw together the way you jumped around from the world of persian academy isis to imitating rabbi barrow wine to being able you're all about nuance that's that's really you're traveling in the water it doesn't it doesn't require you to take a firm position on anything that's right you know it's great you could like you can pontificate one way or the other i think there is a difference and when a policy maker is very hard to be nuanced as a policy maker and the rob bottom were essentially policymakers over also yes yes and politicians it's similar to like it's very hard like in the politics that it's so polarized nowadays it's kind of very you're like well why can't you just well maybe you just can't do that i don't know you know maybe it doesn't work it's amazing we're going to wrap it up this was tremendous fun oh yeah it's like always talking could you imitate anybody even me or anybody you want just once before we wrap this up you know i thought i wouldn't imitate swirly bessa in front of uh you know um i don't who who do you who do you want to hear i mean there's everything we could do i'm a very talented videographer fanatic famous father-in-law by crone i can't do rabbi crone he would love it i know he would i know he would and there's a guy out there my friend you know it's never too little you know i don't know jacobson you got to go old like i i'm like i'm like pre-2000 like and victor villa is the most contemporary voice thank you for 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