Take 2 with Doni Gross

[Music] welcome back to mrbachar's take two where you get to meet the people the personalities the names that are familiar the faces that are familiar to you from the pages of the magazine today today's guest donnie gross is very special to us because donnie gross is one of the most low-key private people you know his name because his fingerprints are everywhere that good jewish music has found yet he himself is hiding it's such a treat to finally get him out of his bunker out of a salad danny welcome thank you thanks mr lee um i'm not wrong right that yeah you sit in your house you work out of your house you work in your studio i work in the studio in the basement of my house and somehow everything that comes out good says music without anyone produced by donnie gross yeah i saw this week they asked medley it said written by donnie gross and your name is everywhere and and you're you're in hiding so it's very exciting for us to make the big reveal of donnie gross tell me a little bit about what you do so i'm a music producer which is a word that a lot of people don't know what it means but i do music production explain from start to finish expect that our viewers want to understand what you do and how you got there right so um what i do is many many different things obviously different projects i'm involved on a different level some projects i do the whole thing from producing producing community their singer comes to me where i find the singer and i we have an idea that he has what does that mean you find the singer um different opportunities where let's say i i've tell me you think are you foundated i would say a project i've initiated more than you know the singer i found that would be let's say h3 with av was a project that i you know initiated i chased after him to after a b i chased after av to to get that project uh and he said it's time now producer means what producer it's a financial investment so obviously things things have evolved over the years what it used to mean is producer was sort of like the mashikiyak on top of everything to make sure that it gets done and somebody said you'll be who makes who decides you're producer how does that happen it's usually not the first step it's usually either someone has some sort of some other leg in the industry whether he's a composer like even me myself i started actually as a composer even though now i barely write songs and what did you compose for whom um i have for some kaliner song on uh michael porzinski uh yes i am schwaki you were young and you were i was young like every you know like everyone else out there and i would play i played i played i started playing at nine years old ten years old piano and i i don't know maybe i think in ninth grade or tenth grade i think my father told me if you could play why can you write songs also my father was in choirs as a kid he was in he's about filler and he was always very my parents were very supportive always were into the music and he told me well you if you could compose you know if you could play why can't you compose someone says ah you know she said just try so i tried and made up a song it was you know at that point i thought do you think i sing a little i'm not you know not a big singer i think the choirs i uh you know i'm not the world's greatest voice at all but i understand more than i you know okay so you go on so i i so when i was in 10th grade i um i wrote the song and there was a twelfth grade bhakra in shiva that had like a little like studio set up in his grandmother's house in cabinets yeah simon's coming splash and um i see he he said i said oh so i used to play like keyboard at the issue of masiba and that type of stuff so he i he i knew he had a little studio and he didn't really play so he said you know what how about you i'll record your demo and if you play like piano on my song sounds good so he went to his grandmother's basement and uh recorded the song so proud of it we spent like days and days i thought it was the greatest thing but it sounds terrible i haven't heard in a long time and uh i remember coming home i'm so proud that i played for my parents and they were like wow that's amazing like can't like what does he have that you don't like why can't you know maybe we could uh you could you could do this i said yeah i don't know it's this and that's got a computer to get this program and a cheap mic and uh this like what does it cost so i mean it was fifteen hundred dollars that will pay for it i was in about 11th grade and um i got the stuff and i started and at that point uh you know i was just recording my own like songs i made some songs my brother was two years old and used to sing them he's more like a singer and i always play the music and do it and then i remember one day my father called me up he's like uh donnie what do you charge to record a demo for someone i said i can't i don't know like i don't know what i'm doing so he's like no i have this person sitting with me he wants to do it you know what is it i don't know uh six years not in the industries yeah he's like he's like uh i said i don't know sixty five dollars for the song so they said okay about sixty five dollars okay send me two songs tonight i wanna demo so i used i would play it my brother would sing i think he got to break he got twenty five dollars for singing it i got the rest we were so excited we spent days and i and and you know from that one thing left to the next i did a demo for him i did down for him i you know slowly started doing more elaborate type of demos and um as i made a link a little money off these demos i would upgrade my stuff a little bit you know to get a little better stuff i was learning along the way and you know that was basically it i when i got married i was you know i went to she was in dark were you into musical authors actually when i was there i used to come once a month i didn't have any instrument in yeshiva you went through also yeah i went there so i was in the neighborhood usher good music not not a big part of your life it was again it was i always played on an off-shop or something the whole weekend i'll be busy playing and recording maybe if someone wanted to do something but in yeshiva you know there was no there was anything you told your wife that music is something that you see as a potential career no no when i got married i thought it would be a nice little outlet i do enjoyed it it was fun i always loved music follow music growing up i knew every cd that came out i enjoyed music i grew up within my father you know with old older music my father was in chap one he's saying on you know that's it as a kid so i we always grew up this was part of viewers know about chap one it's a great credit to you and what you've been doing in recent months yeah it's bringing you back a lot of those things japan's great and the few songs we missed i hope to cover it at some point i thought it would be a little outlet maybe you know do a little some demos for people some small work but not not definitely not i did not think at all will be amazing i went there it's all i was there if they got married for a year i came back my wife went to to school over here i was learning kyle and um slowly like i started getting i remember a family called i used to do like these demos for and they and they said oh we want to do a bar mitzvah cd and and um i said yeah sure you know yeah let's do it we did it it was same thing but you know i stole that but i wasn't recording like real musicians i didn't um earlier i just missed the step when i was stolen based measures last year before i went there at straw um that summer before being this mountain i wanted to put something out i was doing you know so i figured you know let me do an acapella oh you know let me uh get four guys i was in camp i used to run the choir in camp ram and i figured it was like there was a certain vibe there there was a certain feeling there was a certain thing that we used to bring out in cantata we used to practice that choir now what's like how can we capture that and you know and bring it out to the world so i figured let me get for three other guys i remember i paid the maintenance about them i said we're gonna put it at a capacity i know what i was doing i didn't know how to put a cd i didn't know what once you have a cd what do you do with it i was 19 years old and uh we did it we spent the summer this you know during the month and his venus madam every day for three weeks four weeks three four hours a day we sang and and from that that was quinceanera which came out the you know the the next sphere um and that was it and that was like the only connection i had anything put out i put it out it did okay i mean it wasn't no one really knew about it you know it was a compelling um then time was on so i came back myself and i started on um you know i was doing these these demos that this bar mitzvah and then i got a call the first time i got a call from silverstein um because i was again a composer i sent them songs he said i like the song i want to buy it from you she said okay great he's like by the way do you arrange music which again i didn't really like the demo i didn't i said uh but i told him yeah i do so he's like okay i want to arrange it so wow very good the obvious i just wanted to you know get the thing when you say arranged that means you figure out this arrangement yeah range means you could decide you this you like you sort of note that you decide what's which means you write down the notes for the musician how do you so so again i'm not me myself i i don't necessarily i'm more by ear by emotion that's you know the way i operate sometimes when so when i'm working with one musician i write down just a quartz room but if it's let's say i'm recording with multiple musicians at the same time and it has to be exactly i have someone that takes my ideas i'll play it out and he'll make it 100 just to you know to for the practice halfway but a lot of the musicians when did you make that jump into the big leagues as so to speak so one thing left in the next it happened you should continue to have seattle very quickly like one day nobody named my one thing one thing i have to share something personal you know this is true share our good friends who are watching i once emailed you i didn't know who you were and had nothing for me and nothing to do with nothing to do with anything i just i had heard comes this in the rain i don't know if it was number two number two it was reach out and the sound was like nothing i'd ever heard it was there was such a reverence for old music but at the same time it was a very fresh sound i asked yasi's wife for email doesn't remember whoever you are you're great keep it up that's right i remember that i remember that you don't keep it on the wall like that email like a special place i should i should put to death so you were on to something there's there's uh there's something that you do very nicely which is you're able to to mix respect for what was and and contemporary vibe yeah so you worked on it so so i think it's a good question i don't i don't know if i have the answer to the question but what i do think is that i'm someone that i try to be very in tune to the emotion of the song meaning a lot you know a lot of music comes out it's a beautiful music there's people that are way more talented than me and musicians but there's a certain you know when i'm hearing a slow song it's a slow song if it's supposed to be hard singing it's supposed to hit me it has to hit me if it's not hitting me then i'm doing something wrong either the melody's not strong enough the singer is not singing it correctly it's done too fast it's not too high of a key it's not too there's a lot of songs that are great music great words great everything but some singers do it and other singers don't bring it for that particular song have you had that for sure that's that's for sure for sure that that's a factor again what are the singers you're most associated with so i do um a lot of stuff with uh benny friedman uh joey joey newcomer yeah it's actually funny about joey joey's actually one of his first gigs we're from he played my brother actually was a kyle with him before he did anything and they did a hanukkah together hello we're sharing a lot of history here you emailed me hi israel this is my name is i want to let you know he's coming on the scene it was joey newcomb i think he wrote yay safe yeah we knew come here at that point he's trying to change his name back yeah yeah they don't work yes it's joey newcomb and i think that he'll be fresh i was like okay another like 500 emails a day and here we are i have to beg you to come here let's say he uh joey i remember still joey called me so i knew my brother he said oh my he played like little kim's guitar channel so my father was making a shout out for my sister-in-law maybe come play we'll pay you a little to pay him 150 dollars he was so excited get the game from there he did another he did a lot of stuff in my family played my son's pidna ben my son six and a half he played you know so he he was very involved in our family and then he called me three years ago maybe even less it's very quick also enjoy you know and he said donnie you know i do a lot i'm doing gigs now the five towns like you know things are picking up a little and people are pushing me to do an album what do you think say i think it's a terrible idea so he's like you know i said listen i obviously i could you know tell you it's a great idea and uh you know but that's i think it's a lot of money it's a big investment to put in i think it just starts to do a single you know and then he's like yeah very own donald i said why don't you sell the single see how it takes off you see people look connected what's that there's a different signal in an album is that really uriah it's not necessarily somebody told me put out a chapter of a book and we'll see how it does i would say come on a book's a book agreed but at the same time it's it's you know just to throw it out without any you know sometimes you could build this up a little there's a little bit of recognition and then people are waiting for them and then you don't take up again the people that knew him liked it it was people recognized him a little it did not you know take him to that whole level [Music] [Applause] [Music] in january and my ben is saying my brother's class in november and by the way i told him you got to learn the song thank you hashem and he gave him it was 10 months later and he had to he didn't even know he left you know he he knew and then that at that point started picking up and you know and from there you know he thought would you say that it it exploded because of one song because of that song no no i think uh it's it's not the song oh joey is an artist like he has a personality he has a he's a real deep in the shaman he also he benefited a lot from the the what's app world he's so camera friendly yeah 100 i understand he benefited from that and it's just again joey's that it's almost like you know people always say like i remember something told my brother also because like he was like you discovered joey remembers like maybe i was the first one gave him his first gig but some would have discovered him this guy he's too much that he would you know okay so joey and betty let's use them in an example those are two of the people that you completely produce that means they make an album you would pick the songs i mean ben you it's more recently so i didn't as his last music album i did and i stopped making you uncomfortable after this but i i complimented benny once on something recently that he's saying i said you really strike he said the credit goes to donnie what do you think he means by that is ben is a big one uh okay but um i think you know every artist has their you have to raise the studio what do you do what do you do to artists they're people who've been in business for a long time and and and you work with them and you bring out something else i think the studio setting is a very um unique setting and the fact that a singer's live at a wedding there's people 500 people looking at him he's on a stage it's loud it's music it's kashmak he's singing he's in a zone you get a guy in the studio it's me i'm the singer he's looking at a microphone wearing headphones uncomfortable singing a click that's that's that's keeping him on beat it's a very not friendly way to be in a in an environment to to really express yourself so a lot of people even though with technology we could edit every note we get to break things down i always tell you know singers sometimes singers saying i'm like that's great like yeah it's like it's you know so it's off tune i said tune pitch we could fix a little but i can't create heart singer does not sing you with emotion he's not singing with feeling i can't create that maybe they'll maybe they'll come to that point but at this point we can't do that so so it's the singer a lot of them you know a lot of um singers they come to the studio and and they're just that they're close they're closed and you want to his thing emotional it's fascinating you have to get him in you have to get him into a zone where where he can go and then be free and then also sometimes you you know you can slow them down even if they totally messed up just let them go let them go and you don't keep you don't let them know exactly what you're keeping what they're not you know but you got to keep it's very important to keep the singer keep the general environment in the studio in a way that's positive we need to try [Applause] we have each other essentially a therapist not really a therapist but just getting someone into a a i don't know maybe that's what the therapists do but uh you know it's it's it it's the same type of tactic but we're creating an emotional connection with this creating connection and creating uh that the singers again feel the song sometimes you keep doing it the most beautiful take and you see the notes so perfectly and trust me that's the longest time what was the like the most difficult experience you had with somebody how many times how many takes how many hours did you tell you got it right there there's there are songs that we do and i listen back after we spend two three hours four hours on the song and that's why i said we're throwing out we'll do it again again we're starting again it's and now i'm like i'm i'm very into the fact that there's no no it's not like it's not an answer like oh it's good we put so much time so we might as well just put it in this because even though everything is digital and you could auto tune and autocorrect and autofix it's nothing you can mess it up you can you cannot again you could get everything to sound in time on pitch perfect do you work look for singers who shine in heart not just talent or um would you take anybody if anybody came to you and ready to pay again so it's the obviously premium fee did they get you so at this time at this point time is more limited so i'm definitely you know cutting back i want to make an album i would do that for you you're not you're you're you're a star so you would like you would let me do that if they i'm serious how do you how do you have your name else at this point you also have to be careful so what do you do did you say try out for me no no okay so i i have you ever told the person no yeah most of the calls that come my way are no more for the reason of you know people that i'm trying to be more so not more selective just in a way i have to maximize my time to live like a person have a family have to balance a bit you know what to tell you the kids have come in and out of the studio yeah the kids come here they're comfortable they come you know i can't get them to bed because they're so excited to be in the studio you know but yeah my kids they they sit through the sessions they they see it all happen but the balance i have to be a per obviously the times i do prior to certain albums i did in three four weeks recently in the last year that working 16 hours a day it's not you know it's not a it's not a healthy way to do it so i have to sort of balance life and and work and you know in a way that makes sense and obviously i love what i do but you know there's priorities in life and um so i am definitely more selective i take at the same time i want to it's not just about money i want to make you know my music should make a difference in the world so i like taking singers that i feel more have that capability with both you know either name recognition but i usually say usually the people that name my christian have something then just they didn't buy their name and it doesn't really work like that people see sometimes there's you know fad and it gets up for a little and it sinks down but the people that stay and people are really people want to hear there's something there and um and and and i like taking these things and my job as a producer is not to to to make them me it's to take them and bring out what they have you know joey newcomb benny from they're very different people they're very different personalities and each one i it's a totally different posture how i has a work for you that they're essentially competitors even though maybe they're not in the same space but they're both your people yes but there's only so many gigs in the air and so many people funding digs i think there's a lot of i see they get along you you introduce something i don't know if you introduced it you do a lot of collaborations you'll have benny's thing on a joey album joyce yeah so one thing i'm trying to do also is i think that you know at the end of the day the jewish singers are people that that that uh my name or certain part of them look up to and to you know that they should be we should people should look at us and look at our industry and not say i feel good we have a bad rap so to say but like look at the good people if you see them in the street they'll take a picture with you i was out with benny uh a few weeks ago and everyone comes over to him can i take a picture in every place soon nobody nobody asked you that's okay i thought i got over i thought you want to take a video this is my selfie with your picture you're the photographer exactly so um uh and every bit they come with a smile and again it's very tough because you can't you go on about everyone's coming over and i love your music and all the things and it's it's it is i could see it very much being i don't want to use the word annoying but you know but you know it's it's hard on them and and they have families and lives and they can really go out in public and it's it's not i'm not you know it's not it's not what to be mekan everyone thinks you know these guys have a but ultimately they have a avoid they have a job they're putting on music that they're making hopefully a real impact on the world in a very powerful way through music which is a very powerful way and it's not just the music they have to be represented and someone sees them in the stream and they can make a video they don't even they make so many videos and i get all time people requests and i try when i could to get them but again it's me pushing them together and if they're in the studio and it could take them 15 seconds and your people tell me a year later they watch it every day 10 times a day the physique that they could give it's it's so i almost feel like it's in a crisis and the people should see this in the industry and when i could get collaborations and it's just nice it brings a good feeling when you two singers sing together it's not you know like it's a competition where you know we're working together yes is there a limited thing i hear what you're saying you're saying anything that you you very much believe in the sticker component then this which i've heard from others but i actually believe it when you say it but i forgive my asking this what's your penalty you pronounce it from sales of albums your penis is paid by the error for the project so so my in general the way it's set up things have evolved over the years it used to be there were two industries there was albums and there was gigs and they were both profitable industries you put out an album album sold you made money even more than when people sang at gigs and they sang weddings they sang shows and they made money and it's two separate things so a lot of the producers will put their own money into the albums and they would uh make money with albums it was a profitable endeavor obviously things have changed sales are down sales are down because streaming sales are down i think for a few reasons because even before streaming became as big as sales with down i think streaming is actually helping something in a way that streaming is bringing back that people i think more people listen to music than they ever were i think 10 years ago five years ago a lot of people they dropped out you know they didn't like the whole change in jewish music that whole turn there's also a lot of competition there's a million singers there's a million singers there's yeah there's millions out but yeah in the 70s or a few albums five albums eight albums came out a year we're talking about that comes out in a week so it's there's a lot of people coming out it's not really such a profitable endeavor to make an album but the but the money and in customers and and and shows and stuff is is more than you share in that one so usually what happens is they they'll the general they'll pay me to do an album they'll either a good singer will say break even make a little bit even that's coming harder and harder or they're losing and you know they're losing money um but again it's it's investing in the brand so it's a business expense to to to get the shows which ultimately you know the gigs and the weddings which is more than ever there's more money you're sharing those profits i guess usually not so usually it's they paid you as an investment so to speak yeah yeah obviously sometimes we work at some sort of deal but usually it's like monoshock the singers are there was there anybody in from music before you did what you did you're essentially a one-stop shop in a way that nobody ever did before you were arranging producing all the little things you do with the choirs and bringing out the best in the city right and you had the studio in your house right so has that been done before back in definitely it's a recent thing because because there's less money in sales that we have to sort of consolidate which is when i started i saw this early well that i have to learn how to do everything even if i don't end up doing everything i just have to understand everything um to do to be able to do everything because ultimately that's really the only way to to really succeed and even make you know because it used to be if your cd was selling twenty thousand thirty thousand albums you're making time you could have a producer you could pay that ranger separately then you could go to pay a studio then you could pay a guy to edit it then he could pay got to mix it because there was enough money that everyone could make their assurance still come out on a profitable product because they got small and it got diminished in order for singers to you know it still has to make sense for singers so even if they're losing and they could lose you know if they're making you know as much as they make they could start you know how much they need to put them back in but they can make that judgment but um there's yeah there are there are other you know what's it like you you do something you've made a couple of comebacks i wouldn't call it let's say abratenberger come back because he was always relevant he never disappeared but it was just old stuff and you pushed abroad who's somebody who's got to be in the 60s you know you and me are close to the same age we grew up with him 30 years ago more and suddenly he's back again because of you when you're bringing out unkamashi let's you know talk about komaishi who was an icon for so many years then layla for a little bit and then he's back with you are you going for that same thing are you trying to reinvent the person or are you or are you trying to just think what was and turn it on again right so i'm obviously when i started when i was younger i would call it more uh i don't know if it's immaturity but it's it's more you want to do things that are a little more flashy and you arrange you want to do something that people say oh look what he did in that music but the older i get and the more i'm doing is i feel more it's not about what people will look at the details of the song and say look what he did with that little violin the way he moved but it's more about when people listen to the song and say wow look at that song there for me how's the song moving then so i looked more at big picture as producer i would say the producers in the range are almost fighting each other the ranger wants people to say wow great music and whatever and the producer wants people to say great song great great emotion and the singer ultimately the vocal is what's going to bring that emotion so very focused on vocals i it's very not often i'll do anything if i can't like you know record the vocals because to me the vocals that's what the motion's coming you could have the greatest phenomonic orchestra amazing song but the vocalist is not it's not hitting the spot it's it's the song well it'll be a nice song next you know to really get it to move people that it has to come from the vocals the melody so you know so i as i get i i'm not trying to reinvent people i'm just trying to bring out the best in in in in arts and i've tried to try to probably one of a legend to you growing up you're young what was it like him walking into your studio and you're still in control maybe go up or down the greatest uh you know uh moment uh that ever you know dealt with in the studio i remember the first time he came and he was in the studio i was listening he's recording and he's singing into my ears and i was like wow this is great what's up it's crazy he's saying he did uh and he came to my studio i remember talking to you come on get a bit of record by me like you know i wanna i want to record david so yeah yeah he said he came in he said okay i have like three hours in the morning i said awesome you know i'll make it up so he came in and it was just amazing that was like amazing experience and that's when you clicked with him that's you have to know aby's you know you you know have you you've interviewed him you know and and that we definitely that was the first connection and av is never all well the album's abey's done they've always been he produced he he did everything he's he likes you know doing things himself from there i did that and i was working with zamka produced his album around the same time same year 2016 2017. and then i told him that i told i told shawn i said how could we get an age to happen i i grew up with you know i would love to do a new show so we talked to av it's so hard we've tried so many times the last thing you know he doesn't i don't know he's not budging he said come you know make it up and maybe you know and he said he brought her up and i would do it and whatever and and that didn't say no i worked with him a little like let's talk about like he was open to even the conversation and that led to that and now we're working was he happy with oh now you're working on what are you still working on journeys five minutes of show i almost got you off there you're working daddy's five with davey wow yeah it's pretty it's pretty wow and it's a b stylist yeah maybe maybe you know tony's is challenging musically it's not like he's yeah yeah yeah i mean he's been working on songs for years what is the project you're the most proud that you've ever done an album a song a single a moment that's a good question um it's hard to know this i probably say in the in the last year there's a few things i've done that i'm pretty excited about um also i just think it's open new doors where i could see you know future projects taking me one one of them is the off the record which i did with mark levine so you you did something a little crazy though you went into oldies and the songs that everybody's ate these things and they're done with and like maybe in camp they'll teach you a song and you just right and what the reason i'm so excited about that now was first of all it just it was very well received meaning it did well for whatever well is you know in 2021 in sales but it's we know what's going on excitement there was vibe you know you use your status to great effect just the fact that i see kids now know these songs it's to me it's wow like these are songs that were even before a lot of them before i was born and i grew up with them and even some of them anymore you're planning more off the records we're planning to sham i have a sequel to off the record you know to get the rest of the english we're trying to see if we have enough for two more albums one round you know we don't want to water it down so we want to be you know as strong [Music] we hope and we pray [Music] [Applause] don't [Music] who chose those songs we had a little group was me baruch and jacob brown of course legend the project curator of claudia's starlight column okay unbelievable someone has the adhesive someone has drive and someone that he won't see even he's coming at the music i see how he writes about science in a very emotional place and really he's very real he says he's a very real person just a friend he's such a real person and we speak all the time because i mean first of all anytime anyone needs like people assume i have all the best ideas because i produce music so they sent me a question i just forwarded to him or was it back you know yeah he's tremendously dear he knows everything and he also he's he'll go to any extent to make he wants this whole you know movement of bringing back the old songs which i think is very important for a few reasons one reason is i i feel that you know obviously we know music plays a huge part in in either skype and we everything as we sing and shu we sing at java's table we say everything is always you know you have the tragedy what do you have you see everyone's singing together singing it's it's saturday it's at our core and uh obviously music has changed that always have music change but you know today's music that comes out i'm not putting it down everything has their place and i do a lot of you know music also it's just um it's not any more music that you sing these aren't songs like we're putting out songs and not what are we singing at weddings or of all songs so there's something about the old songs that is more you could sing it feedback justified that this is not because you invested i did it more it was like more what we did was more like a dream let's let's see but the feedback show this actual people want their people to i haven't bought an album since 1998. we lost a lot of people over the years that that no longer are interested in music and this brought them back like and you know anything appropriate i love is but when you do another one like there's something there so i definitely want to bring back more old stuff because it's important for the kids to know the stuff and it's not just you know a lot of people say they don't want to hear it's old-fashioned music they're mistaking the melody with the with the with the with the music and again with that also i wasn't looking to reinvent i was very we stayed very true to the original arrangements in an updated way but to state the instrumentation not to change the vibe of the music danny well almost out of time we didn't talk about my favorite song yeah yeah we have to talk about this you i think you gave christopher tools no one even knew tell us a little bit about this anchor it never breaks what's the name of sunk it what do you call it it's called the years so what made you put it out where'd it come from so a year it came it was it was composed by kylo new house who actually wrote the lyrics for most of the uncle maishi cd which i produced this year also and she presented me with it with the song and she at that point there was different words she wrote it for like a school play about programs and the hyper one you'd never you know the oldest they went through and he never breaks and almost like it was done a little faster than it wasn't like so yeah it was done in a little more of a fast way of course you know and this was i heard it definitely before coach you read this you know through course you said you know maybe we should take this song and just do it a little more you know for coving and why benny well why did you release it with danny peter i i thought ben is just the right thing i thought that was the emotion that he yeah i thought i saw that yes i showed the song to ben and then he liked it right away you talk about the relationship between what's going on in the world and the music that time so it's benefited because again never breaks like you think there's programs when we grow up why do we why should we break we're in america everything's good why would we be breaking and then covert came and for the first time in in a half a century we were dealing with questions schools schools opening prosecution and that song came out like like a like a like a lightning bolt into the how to climb yourself yeah i i mean i think in general the reason a lot of the music doesn't talk to people is because they can't they don't relate to it i think that's why going back throughout the record which is english and english message is something that people talk about this taking a song the powerful message and when people need it and we released the song and uh i mean we first we spent just from when we started until we got the lyrics we wanted we wanted to keep it vague enough that it's not just for it's not a code we want the song to be a song that people could always connect to people could hold on to as a song [Music] and so we had to be vague enough but specific enough and you know personally i was very moved with the first time you know that and i i carry carried me i love montreal it wasn't the easiest year covered wise and it gave people and then somebody had the tragedy running and the song went to the next level it became it was everybody's status and everybody was singing and holding on to that song people were playing that simplist after like because that that was everyone's right exactly loves him yet understands that hashem has a plan and that's all it takes to make it through [Music] the night that hashem has a plan and that's all it takes so it ended up what does that feel like for you that's why i feel like i don't really have much almost when something becomes so big you feel like it's i don't want to do it with me anymore you know i'm saying like it's obviously we put out a nice song but something you know it doesn't really make it oh yeah i produced it here it's like it's like it's like the world song it's not i mean it's i'm not saying it's like a humble way it's just more it's so out there everyone said in the messages that come in every day from it that everyone going through their own sorrow and they could hold on to this and everyone writes i feel like this song was written word for word for me everyone's saying which is like wow that means like we accomplished well we wanted to accomplish it people are and it's not you know someone could be a fad people listen to it by song they move on next song here it's like people say now there's some this is part of my daily routine i listen in the morning listen at night i need physique i'm going through this sorrow i put it on itself i'm not terrorist but it's my routine yeah first of all this was too short we have to do this again right second half wasn't so hard right it wasn't so bad to come out of your bunker once a little bit it's good to get some fresh air thank you for coming in i hope we can do this again and it's a pleasure to speak thank you very much [Music] you