Mishnah Berurah DH Siman 54 Seif 3 Speaking Between Yishtabach & Yotzer, When Can You Say Kaddish?

recording in progress okay good morning everyone we're continuing we're learning Sim we're up to someone who speaks between and it's a sin and he has to return from the war so this is very interesting because actually between and is the most lenient part of the daving that there is that's actually the most permissible time of talking between nevertheless someone who speaks then has to return from the war the only thing that one is allowed to speak that during that time is for example let's say you need a minion or let's say for any a public need but but any regular conversation between which is the most lenient time you have to return from the war why do you have to return from the war because you're not going to survive the war if you have the sin on your that a person Talks by D you're not going to they're not going to win the war and the it's written that during you should say between but how could you do it asked the Mish you're not to talk between that's why in theas they don't say it and said I sometimes if sometimes slower instead of saying whether you're allowed to say it how could you talk between you know people they get very into so sh whether you're allowed to say it even why you cannot interrupt between this is just go to the extent that we see how important it is not to speak out then okay the is to say it doesn't understand why why the says who's the person who is fearful and soft-hearted he should go to his house what does it mean someone who's afraid from sins in his hand this is a sin to talk even in the seemingly innocuous time again it's not as as it's not as as says that the are from working mean like this there are these they these forces of impurity that they're attacking the and we cut down the through when a person Talks by daving these return these troops that they wage war against us therefore it is fitting not to talk therefore by the way the writes if a person feels they're going to have to talk it's better they shouldn't come to sh better they shouldn't come to sh they're better off staying in bed what do you do if uh if there's a show where the people's talking you have to close it down you have to shut it you have to close it down you can't have such a thing it's dangerous for the Jewish people it's dangerous it causes people harm now what does it mean um that for the needs of or meaning let's say to have an appeal let's say an walks in between so the G can make an announcement we have an on over here um could everybody help out that's considered or any again this is between that's the only time for it's permitted is between you cannot interrupt let's say somebody comes over to you middle oh what's your name we want to call you for alah can't answer somebody comes to middle of what's your name for alah you can't answer you're not allowed to talk for a mitzvah only between fine some say I'm sorry that's further in the from here it has spread that's the of many places to bless a sick person let's say somebody is being oppressed and they need to somehow bring the court case to a bezden these are all instances where you could um discuss this between afterwards when you come back to like this let's say you need a minion so you call a guy let's say after you you call a guy on the phone hey SCH could you want to get out of bed to make a minion fine then the when he comes back what's he saying kades on can't just say kades on nothing he had already said so then he should say a few and then say kades it we never Sayes without some kind of Praise before it without some kind of or praise that's why Marv starts without Kadesh why do we start Marv without Kadesh we just say because there's no before it there's no uh there's no there's no before it so in order to get a kades they say before but there is no Kadesh in the beginning of that's the way the raama learns says that's that if let's say there's an interruption and the wants to say Kadesh even if just he says the Kadesh that would warrant the recitation of um even if he just says theim that would warrant the recitation of kades and him he should not Sayes he should begin without kades because we will never findes without before unless the sh after why how how are we saying kades there how do you Sayes after there the kades is going on the on the the says a different reason the reason why we say kades after is because there are namely even though I would argue that's not a there's no the is there is no unless somehow it's still considered changing it into into still allows it to retain it being a but I'm not sure what is referring to in the sh I'm not aware of anyim you know the says all the words of sh emanate from suum but they're not necessarily direct verbatim quotes from sukum but unless that's considered enough close enough toim that we could say Kadesh yeah you're right that is a p you need to say unless is another excuse me the says like this what's PR if people come late and they miss bar so what you could do is you could say bar and some of the some of the they say it after in order to Sayes so in other words the is being done after the in order to Sayes in order for thees to be going on afterwards it's not possible to say unless you said a few first but now you have these new fangled a new movement they want to say after the final kades of for people who came latees and they want to say kades again how could you say two close to each other at the very least you have to teach them um to teach to say between thead by the way later on in say so to have you know at the end of daving you say and you say Kadesh and you say m and you say Kadesh the Mish says it's incorrect refering or just just regular any yeah okay so the says you should not Sayes without either after a praise or after a prayer like we said in the previous or after you learn something of now I was always wondering about this somebody actually sent me a message that they said I was not correct because I mentioned in AER that after you learn a gamar let's say you're learning we're learning cuas so usually after I don't say I don't I don't you know I don't have them say I don't finish and say you know I'll do that after I'll do that after if we're learning a but if we're learning gamar I usually I not usually I don't I don't have like a kades after so here the says that you're allowed to Sayes after you need to say and the he brings that the says inim that you're allowed to say even without I guess that's what that person was asking me but here I was more familiar with what the M says here that you need to say so the M by the way says that after in we should still Sayes or any kades is not just but it's so the Mish here says according to the this this is what I thought that if you're learning including you should make sure to conclude with some is going on after you're allowed to say so it's interesting allows you to say kades more than T you could say kades it seems like you should say again the brings that the seems to say even if you didn't say okay you can only say Kadesh if 10 people learning you can't have a Shear for two people and then at the end eight people walk in and you want to Sayes but he says if let's say you have two or three people learning it sounds like this even if only two or three people were learning but you needed but you need 10 people people to have been there during learning you hear this in other words you don't have to have 10 people learning you need 10 people to have been in the B at the time of the LI because he just said before you can't say Kadesh unless there are 10 people in the basic even if only two or three people were learning and even a guy who wasn't learning he's able to say thees okay we'll hold it over here we'll pick it up tomorrow have a wonderful day okay good question I would say because really you're not supposed to talk then you're not supposed to interrupt El so therefore we don't interrupt and that's why we say Kadesh right after in a situation where you had to interrupt now you're up the creek without a padle so what do you what do you do you have no choice you're already interrupted so you're going to have to say PIM in order to be able to say kades but to be that you should say that the Miss bro doesn't understand and after you say have to create say kades I don't know I don't know what he means by kades sh I don't think he means classic because you didn't you didn't you can't say so he can't mean regular he means KES right so now why don't we say kades after I'm not sure maybe when do we say Kadesh we say it after let's say about we say it after when they were M Li when so is that is that LI or is that so it's it's there's no there's when there when when the is when the section is learning okay we're saying we said carb now we said we said um so they M learning I mean the truth is it is learning but maybe it's not learning of it's It's The Learning of the R so it's but I don't know I'm not sure good question okay have a good day was bothered by the lack or the question we are the in in yeah do mention he brings the priest but why can't I mean there's no such concept it's only only where do we see that um and he mentions like two separate things he says like him a college but like then he says which one is it so one second originally he says what did that mean that to me no no no no no no I didn't I didn't read that to mean I I read that to mean that is going on the then I mentioned the Primm who says differently that it's going on the in the so that I said I didn't understand the because I don't know of in the but the that the said is going on the and you're right that's what he says in okay okay okay okay h