Mishna Berura DH Siman 58 Seif 1 Does One Have to be Makpid on the Magen Avraham's Zman Krias Shema?

okay good morning everyone we're continuing we're learning we're in Sim by the way I looked up in the is is when he talks about the of Kadesh he says you should do it meaning that's the that's the main uh procedure and you should bow when the says you bow not when the uh the of the in other words it should be when you say the word when you say when you say when you say and when you say it's funny last night by Marv somebody was uh telling me somebody told me that he was watching me say Kadesh why cuz we saw that uh is a sh whether you're allow to answer by AR cuz it might be a he so I didn't know there's St somebody who was listening to sh he said he was watching um in any event we're continuing now in uh so yesterday we learned that there's a between the gr when is the so the M says it goes until 3 hours into the day which is is a quarter of the day now when do you count these three hours the says from the gr is from that makes a very big difference and the real question is are uh which is the the mag or the basically according to the you break up the day until the 12 from According to theow you divide the day from until now I will say that those who are lenient and are relying on the gr for the later man ofish you better be careful not to after do you understand this you this many people will DAV in a where they say like they're starting after in general it's says it's better but if you're a guy who's not on the mug that means you hold the day is over that means don't tell me yeah I grew up that not being if you're not on like the you better be careful not to after the cuz your whole ability to say sh later is predicated on the fact the day is over by the okay so that's St my own personal uh yeah um but in general let's see who do we hold like there's no that it's from like the mug which is interesting earli he writes that if you say of the carb and you evaluate that by the time the CRA gets to and the it will be of the but you'll miss have earlier because according to the m you're and according to the grow you're allowed to and in other words earlier on the Mish says that even if your sh is going to make the of the but if it's not going to make the mug of and you're going to be saying earlier that you want to be say earlier if that's the correct the on the other hand writes in that the is always consistently that he holds like the gr and many hold that way and the gr is a BAS meaning between the and the this is did things in general you follow the and ra says everyone is masim he was greater than that's that's also interesting and also the holds that way and in Russia and in Lithuania and in Min is like the like the of that's one that's an however elsewhere thees you should do in the best possible way I mean I would think it's AA you know this is AA you have people are mck on gab if you're M on gab how can you not be M on the mug of the there's no to even oh you're maybe try like you know the sh that the ancient Hebrews would recite every morning and every evening that the lord gave to the Jewish people on Sinai it's biblical right it's from the T according to if you wait to the gr you weren't M the Mitzvah you didn't get that Mitzvah but again does say that the uh um the is like the gr K writes many are KN like the gr the stier writes you could be on theki says that the says the is like the gr therefore if you have a choice to DAV be like the mug and or with a minion like the gr D with a minion but car says no was not he only ah the stier was m on the mler also said Roy mug of the are like the mug of because says that you start counting from bottom line is it seems like uh there's legitimate basis to say the she is like the but it's hard to ignore a you know it's a very hard thing to do so I think it's kada to for a person to be aware shabas morning when the mug of ramman is and to try to say it then do you have to wake up a teenager for the mug I would say let him do the gr you know but later on he should know that it's a daa and there's okay let's go V which is a quarter of the day there's no difference if it's in the summer that the day is long or in the winter day is short you break up the day into 12 parts and a quarter of the day is therefore in the win you should be careful the day is short the truth is as careful you has to be in the winter you have to be more careful in the summer because people usually get up the same time the whole year in the summer you're going to be after this man the bigger the day the quicker the comes you need to finish the whole before the don't say oh I'm going to go with the gr the gr is 920 I'm going to wake up 919 and 45 seconds gives me plenty of time to watch neas put on my robe and with one second left I'll start sha and I'll grandfather it in Miss doesn't hold to that M says that if you say three par of sh and you did did not say the word the word you said after the what percent of the Mitzvah were you you didn't do it zero now not so P because there are in that only that there's a we don't hold that way it's there's a only the first so only first you got it in if it's only the first par you got it in says the first two but the usually like the all three like so you got to say uh the whole thing now it's well known that the of the is that you could grandfather it if you started B you grandfather the you grandfathered in um even if the rest is after the let's say it takes you two hours to say sh you and you start the word sh a minute before you're good the brings from B that asks B knew the right moment that to curse curse asks what could you say in one moment so T says if you start at the right time you grandfathered in but the Mish doesn't hold of that and that makes a very big Naina for many people D in Min and they don't realize that the sh starts five minutes they don't realize the show starts after so if the show starts after you need to find the different shavin regularly once in a while it happens after but you cannot regularly after but many shs they start if not most schs they only start before they do not finish what do you do you find the different that you find the that they start they finish right before you're saying anyway I'm in the lady section so the first thing is going to the men's section and after you go to the men's section and look at theim then realize go down the block now this makes a very um especially AR shabas Arab shabas there's something called shabas you can't do if you're still daving so you want to DAV in a place they finish before the so that when uh your is over you could be now manys they start eight minutes before the and not only that they sayi and their hii takes until one minute before the so a they're not ding before the and B there's no by us we start 10 minutes before the you know what 10 minutes before the does it allows you to finish and after you finish if you want to be you could say and what the does I'm not sure he'll have to rely on what does he do about he's going to take one for the team I guess you know but um those are the factors fine V those who delay now let's like this I don't have so should I wait until I get tal to say sh or should I say sh without tal it's a mistake to wait for you should say with the without when you get the pal put them on you should say now what what part of sh we mentioned is the first some say the whole first para best to do all three okay I want to review something okay let's finish M but I want to review what do you do if you're daving in a sh like in America where they DAV after this and you're saying sh before the daving do you need to put on tal and to say sh right this is a very common situation in other words you're ding is Sunday morning 8:00 8:30 and they're not making this m you're saying sh before that's amicos yeah so um the the let's see the even if you're maybe you're going to be but if you're able to get on the you should now let's say you're before this manishma of the m and you're saying sha the says if you're being you do not have to put on because thehog is like the gr meaning if you wanted to know why is it why Isa such a big proponent of the man because the is the is the is the therefore you don't have to put on but what if your SCH is saying kishma after the then if you're going to be says the you need to put on says even you need to put on says kki that if you're worried that again so so says you don't have to put on for the says that you should put Onin for the m r but if you're not going to be able to you could say without it the says no if you're not going to be able to say with miss theug you don't want to say I remember we learned this and I didn't really understand it okay v g now there are people some people they delay because of they say you know what minion is more important and I won't say sh earlier that's because so what does mean mean they they they don't say before this man because of that's not proper but what they should do is they should say and you have some old guys and they come late and if you don't wait for them they're going to have to DAV by themselves let them Davin by themselves you can't delay the minion for the old people because you're gonna you don't tell people to sin to benefit someone else you can't make people Miss because you want to be old people in the minion it's very common to be really friends it's better to d a minion where they say all the yeah but lots of luck lots of luck finding that unless you're ding very early shabas morning but fine now the to read they were to read a little bit before says is to say it from the beginning of you will be feared at the time of the son of if you would start to read there'll be a lot of time between the and they're GNA have to delay after and in that case they won't be therefore they would t Target to read right before and finish it with and then start that's when the sun begins to shine on the top of mountains now that's very interesting If you vouch safed to be you will not be damaged that day okay say let's hold it here and we'll pick it up on Monday so again we're learning like pointed out we were victorious with the 25 letters of the kishma everyone have a good day a good chabis C recording stopped oh