Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 89 Seif 1 Calculating the Zman Tefilla

progress okay good morning everyone hope everybody's doing well we're continuing some clarification from yesterday yesterday we were introduced to a number of Concepts we were introduced to the concept of am we're introduced the concept of we're introduced to the concept of and so let's define according to most is not a to do anything you can't do anything then what is Al is the morning begin to slightly crack to burst forth from the Horizon so that doesn't have to be the orb of the sun itself it's even before that Al is the light of the sun coming forth from the Eastern Horizon now for sure um before that you can't do anything but even at this time when you see some light on the Eastern Horizon you can't do anything even very likely you'll have to do everything again then there's another's man the next man is he where the whole Eastern Horizon is lit up that will be okay for or for kishma or then then M yesterday we spoke out many many different ofak something between 30 and 40 minutes before n is when the Sun rises but it's not enough to rise where it it it uh rises above the Horizon the Miss says it has to rise above the rash it's shining on the top of the mountains so the fact that it you see it above the Horizon don't make your shakas based on that it has to be SS you don't have mountains move go to a go to a different city no you have to know it's a go to you have to know find out what time it would uh the sun would begin to shine on the top of the mountains in a place in other words you know if the Sun is here on the horizon it would be shining on top of the mountains that would be good you'll have to figure out what time that is but the world what how's it different heights in the world okay it's this is not meant to be a sheer for a person to say look right now I'm going to go out and I'm going to fi figure out based on the way it looks what time Shak says come up with it based on this on this definition didn't invent it this is it has to be workable yeah it does but it doesn't have to be workable in every single place in the world you don't have to be able to walk outside and determine this man no there's no M that you could walk outside for sure not Rosa said Rosa said he went out to the cat skulls um many times to determine what time this man is in the city whoa I have to go out to the cat skulls go to the city the answer is there Hashem never told mosu that at your address where you live inov when you walk out of your meret you could determine what time no don't you can't doesn't go by that you might have to travel out to the catco mountains or there's a sa by RAB Schwarz who he traveled the length and bread of he traveled up mountains hundreds of times to determine this man well why would he have to do that you're right but we need to after tremendous amount of research in locations where it will be easier to see we could then determine what does are where uh where we live but there's no there's no uh we were never given a that when you walk outside you could look outside and say hey it's it's say it's look the always talks about well what do you mean it's not a mistake this is the way it looks pal nobody told you were never told when Moses came down from sin he never said that what what it looks to you as a is officially the is that they look yeah but they didn't they didn't always get it right but yeah but it doesn't mean it's right and doesn't mean you doesn't mean that's the way to do it that is the to do what to see the sun rising from wherever you are from late that's what people do that's not what the mission says the common in America is you check out what theim are you if it whatever it says on theim chart that's what time you where does it say you could go outside and determine by the way it looks I mean the gar says in or in um you know they they had different uh they they couldn't just go by the way it looked they had to wait longer anyway that's what the says what does that mean I guess the Rays of sun get to the top in other words uh the fact that a little bit of the orb of the sun is apparent above the Horizon is not going to cut it it has to be enough light that the light of the sun is already reaching the top of the mountain it means that you can see in the Horizon above that mountain on the horizon the sun rising above the mountains so that's even later later that really that's that's 11:30 a.m. that's when you could have in chakas means the sun coming up you know don't have to chop out the mountains on the horizon don't have to chop as if they're not there even if even if there are mountains that are bothering you from seeing the sun rising above the sea you'll go with the mountains what do you mean you go with the mountains when the orb of the Sun appears on the top of the mountain above the horizons on the above the mountains on the horizon I don't understand what you're saying the Horizon is uh the Horizon is a th000 ft below the mountain that's right so where does the Sun have to rise above the horizon or the mountain if there are mountains if there are mountains that the sun will rise from above the mountains though in the distance I don't have to calculate as if the mountains are not there so it has to be higher much later yeah yes what later of course much later much later could be an hour later what are you talking about no I don't think he means the orb of the sun I don't I don't no I don't think that's right he doesn't mean the orb of the sun has to be apparent o over the mountain cuz that's that's much much later than the Horizon I think he means the the Rays of the Sun that are rising above the Horizon reach the top of the mountain he doesn't say the is seen he doesn't say the orb of the is seen above the mountain he Sayes he says that the sun is shining above the mountain that means the is apparent above the mountain okay let's continue we're up to so the says from and it's so this is that's even not meaning you have no pressing circumstance from again means let's say you get up early to go out so this is also very important again means is good is the words of were not said only regarding the obligation of the mitah of namely this man has ready come but regarding look earlier in that if you're but you won't now doesn't mean you won't be ever but it won't be if you do it always or you do it regularly this is later than if you want to put on them and to make because certainly you won't make until the of mishak comes okay the is going on the says the is until if the day is 18 hours long so then have then then it would be six hours until the day if the day is n hours long it's always evaluated based on the length of the day now this is very important because there's a important and fundamental between the and the how do you calculate these 12 hours meaning one's the starting point and one's the ending point does the day start with or does it start with so well in Miss says according to you divide the the hour the day into 12 parts from until if you do that it's going to be earlier so let's say these days um the man for teila going to be later it's actually going to be earlier the hours it's a longer time from from all to it's going right it's a longer time but the the the quarter of the day I'm sorry the third of the day right we're talking about now but the same thing for so is is is so let's say today I think kishma according to the was 816 and according to it's something like 9:08 something like that it's as early as it gets so the m is about 50 minutes before the yeah even though it starts L it ends later but it's it's a longer time it's going to be earlier will always be earlier than the than the gr according to the gr you calculate from okay so you have to make sure that you uh you have to make sure that you DAV before that time [Music] um they never delayed bring the T after a third of the day now it's not enough to start the the M's opinion is when it comes to it's not enough to start you got to finish you got to finish the within onethird of the day now what about you should also finish K before now this is a very important uh Mish because the Mish holds that the let's say the of shabas that start five minutes before they're are no no now chances are if they start five minutes before if it's they're saying for four minutes saying four minutes you're lucky if you start the before the but you're definitely not finishing it so are you allowed to dve in there for sure if there's nowhere else to dve in you could dve in there no problem but if there's another sh and they dve in let's say 10 minutes before the of course you have to DAV then now it would be better if they even finish the before the but lots of luck finding that on an AR of chabas but on a week day on a week day you should try to find the minion that they finish Kat before the now this is very interesting let's say you're on a plane it's very hard to evaluate when the is because it it changes rapidly therefore OSHA writes if you're on a plane you should try to dive an because if you don't di you can miss this man you know it's it's it moves it moves rapidly I don't even know what they base it on they base it on what time you supposedly take off I don't even know what that means does take off mean you know because uh take off for the airline means when it pulls out of the uh when it pulls away from the gate but sometimes it could actually take off 25 minutes later or even later than that so ra says you should D in at NES the only thing is I would say it's not so P because I don't know how accurate the NES is you know and if you DAV too early I guess you're better off ering on the side of daving before nates than ding after this man because you know if you miscalculate you could end up daving before I guess before Al anyway that's what okay if the says even though you don't get even though it was shal okay we'll hold it over here pick it up tomorrow regular time okay recording St