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Mindflex- The Incredible Journey of The Traveling Chassidim pt. 1
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good evening ladies and gentlemen and
welcome back to mineflex from project
inspire
and today we have another exciting
session here ahead of us
an interview a live interview with the
group that you've come to love
and know called the traveling qasidim
and it's my great honor to have with us
tonight here rabbi arya roy rabbi arie
roid
is uh the founder of the traveling
hasidim and as we go through today
and our second part that will be aired
tomorrow we look forward to getting to
know
arie a little bit better we get we look
forward to getting to know
hasidim a little bit better and to
understand
how the traveling has seen them both in
concept and group
came to be rabbi arya roy it's a
pleasure having you on
with mindflex hello good evening thank
you for having me jesse
you're very welcome okay so let's get
let's get right to it
everybody the viewers you know some of
them have heard you some of them have
really come to love what you guys do
it's spectacular we'll get to that but
tell us about you
are you where'd you grow up you know
before you got thrown into this whole
you know mess of things with the
traveling just see them and project
inspire
you know how did you grow up you know
tell us a little bit about yourself
thank you you could say that again the
mess
my life is so wildly changed around
um so i was brought up in manchester
england
i know i'm losing the accent somewhat
but i'll try my best to keep it um
so we were brought up in a typical
constitutional home maybe a little
not so typical um because england
manchester back in the days wasn't so
hassidish
so i most of my friends were not
necessarily hasidic my
my word of family are not acidic either
my
parents are sent me to reside schools
but all of my cousins i don't have any
hasidisha blood
or sadistic cousins
explain to explain this when you say
blood
you know the you know the world out
there obviously views you know acidic
blood as being like the ultra orthodox
the maybe even sometimes the extremist
view what does it mean to grow up
in a community or in a family of in
terms of
upbringing you know which will obviously
contrast your involvement today
so i see two questions there first what
do you mean consider your blood so
y'all say i don't want to put you on the
spot but you have consideration and i
don't
i have a serious blood that is correct
that's right so
i have i have bells of blood wow i don't
the difference is my children join your
children don't have so much
so this blood would mean you'll see
where you come from you know from the
shtetl somewhere in europe
so your your cities your grandparents
you know they they
belong to a hasidic group and
i i don't have any of that i mean
further back i do have somewhat but for
the most part my
my my parents their parents they lived
in england actually my mother's parents
lived in scotland
they have some scottish blood and before
before there was also england some of
non-christian ultra-orthodox
bernankercitis and further back there
were
some cassidy blood but there wasn't much
of heartbreak is that for all of my
cousins or not
they're being brought up in the ultra um
orthodox world and the hasidic world
again i reiterate in manchester when i
was growing up
it wasn't like we would have like boro
park today and
you only know of hasidim and you only
your neighbors only consider him and
when they go
out of town they go to williamsburg
which is awesome so manchester was
different and my friends and classmates
weren't only just
but still my upbringing was the warmth
of a hasidisha family
which means you know the longer
davenings and singing and dance singing
dancing
and then you know the herring and the
kettle after dabbling and long
shabbos meals which are not just
strictly you know shabbos
dinner shabbat dinner you know with a
song or two but you're much more singing
and much more free
would it be fair to say that it was a
that that
in general the hasidic upbringing is
sort of a close-knit community
of living within your quarters and not
necessarily the type to
um notice get involved with interact
with outside
you know groups beyond that absolutely
absolutely um
as in the facts today ideologically
ideology no that means the the idealist
of
sorry the philosophy
of of her citizen was certainly not that
but today yeah absolutely
and you know after the war people come
to america or england
and we were we were so few in number
so we had to keep it small and keep it
safe
not small necessarily keep it safe so
yes we would certainly
see them for the most part are certainly
much more in the box closed
so that the you know
things from the street elements from the
bad elements you know from the streets
shouldn't come in or penetrate our lives
and yes absolutely we were
closed up in the union this is a big
place
not to see the world out there excellent
so and that and that i guess
goes with the stereotype sort of how
people view the hasidic sects of judaism
is that you have your community
you have your shops you have your
synagogues you have your
your social circles and really that's it
not necessarily
not necessarily the type who would be
involved in reaching out beyond their
communities to jews around them
necessarily
correct okay rabari i'm going to stop
you here because
we actually have your brother or your
brother robert israel roy
with us here who's going to join us and
now that we know that you've joined that
you know the background that you come
from
we're going to we're going to double
team in terms of being able to get rid
of yes roll roid and robario roy welcome
robert estrella roy
to our conversation here about the
traveling crm
excellent happy to have you so i wish
you want to i want to go right into
what i guess is the the crux of the
conversation over here which is
that you know arya explained you grew up
in a very what's cool you know
sort of a tight-knit community and
hasidim in general are known to be in
their tight-knit communities of
you know and and the sects and the you
know around them and the shulls and the
synagogues that you pray and the shops
that you shop in
yet today you guys run one of the most
uh profound exciting and dynamic
outreach organizations called the
traveling crusade and before we get to
what you guys do and the impact that
you've had tell us a little bit about
your involvement and how you guys got
involved and i'll ask you first every
strawberry will go back to you
wherever you were in terms of your
involvement like how did this get
started
so we just we were interested in it with
but without knowing how to
we did take the the training by project
inspire
and that really gave us the push with
the knowledge on the tools as well
now the fact that we are hasidem so we
do know that there's
unfortunately some major illusional
barriers
between the world and us they with the
misconception that we have that we have
the
the barriers so the fact that we
are so open and friendly to the outside
world
this without doing any curve whatsoever
number one just breaks the barriers hey
the casino the non-stop they're not
storm throwers they're actually friendly
normal guys and that without knowing any
curve
this itself is the best work okay so so
excellent
so i'm going to put this back at you you
know aria because
you know what while r well your brother
israel is explaining is 100 true and we
know it to be true
but you had to expect that entering this
realm that people were going to view you
guys as sort of like
what in the world do you feel you know
how in the world do you feel that you
could contribute
to this field on any level
so yeah yeah absolutely right it wasn't
as so simple
at all and we did feel that who are we
and as my brother so eloquently says we
we're viewed as stone throwers sometimes
unfortunately so
we we are we have to wake through that
within ourselves um
it's a calling we have you know although
you mentioned your aussie that has
general arc in the close-knit community
and closed off to the
to the outside world we are we we belong
to the bells
sect has our leader our rabbi the
belgian rabbi
he actually encourages outreach
and although the hasidim looked the same
and we all
still have our tight-knit community but
he talks about it a lot
so about going out to reaching out to
brothers and sisters out there
so we have to overcome that but when
you're asking what could we add
what we could add is i think and project
inspire taught us this a lot
that many times people want to connect
two jews meet each other
they want to connect but there's this
barrier because they will probably not
accept us
so now if there's someone no offense
you'll see but someone like you
you're out there and you say hello to
someone
who is who is you know distanced or not
so connected to judaism they'll say oh
you know he looks more or less like us
he does have a yamakura and he says he
looks more or less
so why not so he's nice he accepts me
he's not
one of those all two orthodox but the
real jews the ultra orthodox the hasidim
they'll never accept us because we're so
different so we thought we have that a
little
more than other someone else because if
we could just go out there and be nice
and friendly and accept everyone with
love
subconsciously there's this you know the
impact is so much stronger that
even view us as human beings a
and b as jews and as literally brothers
and sisters
that that's what we noticed could have
an impact and over 10 years doing this
we saw wow it does have an impact when
they say wow we accept it
you know i i i i it's amazing you're
pointing that out and what's coming to
my mind over here israel is that
it's it's almost it's almost the um
your responsibility and what i mean to
say is
when people are approached by you and i
know you
and i know both of you for a long time
now and i know that
there's no one there's no jew there's no
jew that i would like to introduce
another
due to than the two of you but but you
but realize when you approach people do
you feel that sort of there's a
responsibility of like
if they can figure out how to connect to
me
then they'll view jews and religious
jews in general in better
light and want to connect to them as
well your thoughts on that you throw
absolutely but but as
arya just said it works so easily by the
saying
i don't have to think they see that i'm
not even thinking twice is he my brother
are we the same type or not no it's so
just part of me that he is my brother
equally the fact that i wear different
types of clothing
all my parents raised me different
doesn't make me the slightest different
than him
he sees that in a it takes a second and
then
then we just continue from there onwards
right and so you say it's the
brothership and that
that connection with the recognition
sort of off the off the bat knowing that
we're
brothers that that's that connection you
know uh from the beginning
the brotherhood and then it's then he
sees a joy in the hasidim that is the
second step that
that we do well we're gonna we're gonna
get to what that has sort of
you know brought to this but but arya
you know renault weinberg
obviously was the founder of isha torah
and he was the
you know sort of the inspiration of many
many jews
who came closer to judaism and some of
them became
religious jews and have families and
even grandchildren some
great-grandchildren today
as well he wasn't necessarily the
inspiration of the
religious community until sort of
project inspired brought that to light
within the religious community
but somehow you connected with that in a
very strong way
tell us about that boy did i connect
with
a holy rabbi you ever know if one works
blessed memory so um i have
i even have a son called noah from named
after him he is our inspiration
so tell us tell us what that connection
was like are you so yeah so i
actually teach now you know on a daily
basis i teach the seminaries and the
teacher all over
um really really i teach what he he
taught me
so that it was it was like epiphany
um i looked as we discussed before i i
was in the kassidish world and i learned
in the khasirishi yeshivas
and i was doing pretty well if i may say
that was
strictly intellectual study learning
i had a connection with the torah i was
studying
but i don't have to say this on a you
know kosher way
how much of that connected meat my inner
soul
how much of that connected me to my god
is it my
personal relationship to the almighty or
is it i'm
i mean could you i keep shabbat i i you
know i eat kosher
i study the talmud is it me
is it my torah is it my god is it my
soul i'm in touch with and it was it was
it was project inspire that that
got me to him hear his torah a bit
and i listened to a class or two of his
i was blown away
one message one message per se was it
that that got into your
into your very being as we said you
designed my kiskus
my beans two things oh really three
things
number one it's truth
that means he pushed a lot that message
how truthfulness the torah is and how
it's possible
to prove every aspect of torah and
judaism is true
so that was good that wasn't yet the
home run it was good i was happy to hear
that you can ask any question and there
are answers
we don't believe in blind faith judaism
isn't the religion of faith
we know we know the answers that's true
so i like that a lot resonators
what i liked more was his idea of torah
scheim
which means instructions for living you
cannot live
without instructions you you buy a
camera
it comes with a user's manual if you
want to fly a boeing 747 you're not just
going to read the user's manual
you're going to go to flyers school and
sit with a flying instructor until
you're comfortable
life is slightly more complicated than
flying a boeing 747
and we need to use this manual and
notorious our guides and that's what he
that's what he taught me he told me that
it's it's it's our life
and if you want to have a happy marriage
great relationship to your children
and anything else you gotta follow the
user's manual make sure this is your
life that's number two
number three is the joy and duties which
is
uh you know wherever was my rabbi it
still is
he didn't teach me to dance i wasn't
part of it we'll get to the hasidim tomb
but the idea of
judaism isn't about you better do this
or there's consequences it's not about
heaven or hell
it's about this is your pleasure judaism
is all about it's my greatest pleasure
to have a deep
meaningful intimate relationship with
almighty so it's not just i have to
and it's true but it's pleasure and if
once i started feeling that we felt a
moral obligation
like unfortunately people don't know a
that is true and b that's
fun it's pleasure there's no greater
pleasure of a great relationship with
that
i i'm gonna ask you before i get you so
i'm going to ask you a very
uh um funny question did you ever meet
with noah weinberg
never never yet and yet sitting
sitting right behind you is a picture on
your wall
i'll know weinberg a blessed memory who
obviously had a tremendous impact on
i never met him i only heard about him
about a year
before he passed away and i tried once
he was very
unwell and um but yeah i never met him
but doesn't
doesn't go by a day which i don't talk
about him amazing
you know i i actually did meet him once
but tell us about it but then when i met
him i was involved in care of
and i knew that rimnoyef was a big care
of a professional i'm the leader of care
but i wasn't yet
a student of his but it was a major
honor for me that i met him
and afterwards i also i became a talmud
of his
a student of his unfortunately after his
his material after his death but he's
living with us
every day we're growing with him i have
next to um in my desk next in my
farm his will his last his last will
that is um
which is one of the most important
messages that i have for him that
since torah is our life i'm gonna focus
more on the second thing which arya was
saying
more about taurus instruction for our
living this is the most amazing
lifestyle based on everything notorious
tora's going to teach me about
happiness marriage love relationships
education anything growth everything is
in it from the torah
and then the second step which is really
what redneck taught us
is it's my obligation to to continue
this
god gave me the instruction book i'm
extremely fortunate that
my parents raised me this way and i'm
extremely fortunate that franklin spy
helped me find him more
which taught me that this is our life
and this
is our being so now it's our
responsibility
and the world needs my work and my
brother's work and
everyone's so here you guys are
you're inspired by revenue weinberg's
message
you've internalized his is his world
view
you've you've understood that taking
torah as an instruction book for living
and being able to pass on that message
to those who maybe didn't grow up with
this as their instruction book for
living
and you decide out of the blue
or was it out of the blue to create this
group called
the traveling casino this crazy idea are
you tell us about
how this idea came to be how you dragged
your brother along for the ride and made
him
you know sort of your your partner in
crime in this
so it wasn't like one moment uh flash
ideal that's
traveling crusader um i must say
rabbi samson was a lot behind again not
traveling considering but she just he
didn't leave me alone
i went to many of his classes and he
knew that i'm
warming up to this whole cure of idea
outreach
and he was like no rebarrier what are
you doing
i don't know i'm smiling to my neighbors
well
you got to do something more and i was
always that it was i mean
maybe it was like guilt i was
embarrassed to meet him again and i had
to do something
we were always coming up with ideas and
um actually
my partner as you'll see i think he's
coming on soon
ellie benetti we used to knock on doors
in our areas like hanukkah time where we
saw minori in the window i went with my
brother too actually in hanukkah
we would hand out him panicky gifts we
tried to do bits and pieces of things
anyway
when the moment came i was actually
in wilkes-barre pennsylvania with
one of the rabbis vegetarian that were
teaching the discovery seminar which is
the
seminar which teaches all the proofs to
prove god's existence towards divine and
all that
and i was following along um learning
the material which is i wanted to be
a lecturer too and i was sitting in the
audience now this audience wasn't
was a secular audience or less
affiliated rabbi was orthodox rabbi and
he wrote in
the discovery seminar and i was sitting
in the audience
the rabbi of the synagogue came over to
me and he said you seem to be
familiar with the speaker or the
material i just want to share with you
that
i don't think this material or the
seminar is going to do
much for my community it's not going to
shake my community
people are going to walk out of here
saying that was beautiful wow it's
amazing you can prove it
nobody's gonna change their life around
because of it
so i said okay that's a positive
compliment
what can i what can i do he says you
know what we need
we just need to bring in some kassidium
to sing and dance
this is his idea he said we just need to
have some casinos some warmth
and show them the beauty of shabbos i
said i'm game
you know i'm coming to your community
where do i sign up that's right
so so he
you know i said no i'd love to come to
you
and he said he said i gave him my name
and you know he said okay so let's be in
touch
um i gave him my name he said i'm never
going to remember this name
so he said he put me down in his
contacts as
traveling so we'll stay in touch
okay so he put me down in his contacts
as the traveling crusader
okay i mean well simple name if i'm
across it i'm coming to him and
traveling to him i guess
traveling cassidy work i actually
forgot about the incident no oh i'll put
it in the back of my mind
cool maybe i'll go with a few of my
friends to walk small friends already
a week after i met him isha torre
ran their yearly um
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convention weekends now since i was
really getting involved in kira
i went i went to that weekend i went
with a couple of my friends ali burnett
and a few of my friends
and we spent travis in a hotel with a
with
um with isha torre now
no offense there wasn't too much singing
there it was beautiful shabbos but
asiator
didn't there wasn't so much singing over
that shadows so we asked the city and we
just
friday night after the lectures we took
one table and we
sat and sang we just sang like for an
hour straight we enjoyed ourselves
so there's a guy walking past he says
you know this sounds so
smack as we say so great so beautiful he
says i'm a rabbi in philadelphia
actually an israeli in philadelphia and
you know this would be so beautiful if
you come to our community and just do
what you're doing just do
that come to my community and sing i
said yeah with the traveling considering
we're going to oxbow in three weeks from
now
we do this so he says he says
are you available perhaps next week
already i said i'll speak to my
secretary i'll get back to you
so we actually got back to him and i
said you know where there's availability
so we actually went to philadelphia
before we got to oxford
so that next shabbos was the shabbos
hanukkah it was
just saturday 11th anniversary 11 years
ago um chavez chanukah went to
philadelphia a week after that we went
to earth it goes two weeks after we went
to waxborough pennsylvania by then we
were veterans we knew how to do it
and we were come plans we had the group
so i got my group of friends i said you
know we gotta go to philadelphia for
chavez
to be no clue we're just going to
philadelphia for shabbos we're going to
do what we do at home we're going to
sing and dance
israel tell tell us what it is you come
to wilkes-barre pennsylvania
you show up on the shores i'm sure the
eyes were bulging
on this group of yours what's your take
what was the impact you guys
ended up having on that weekend i was
blown away right from the beginning
i didn't know what to expect i come in
ponytails all types
yes keepers no no no no keepers and i
even though i like to be um
i like to welcome people but then i'll
film you in it had to back my lips are
going to go
to people hi shalom and introducing
myself
yes what do you want i got some of those
responses
i came to enjoy shabbos together
together to get together with you
and so that's how we started on friday
night a few cold
shallows to them shabbat shalom but
slowly but surely
the casino themselves we cooled up we
were getting more relaxed
and we're breaking breaking the ice
together and that's how we started off
the cabal shabbat
exactly what songs to sing we didn't
really know we tried a thing
now our cousin had never sang before in
such an audience he didn't really know
the no stuff but it was nice
and we danced and then by the meal
started
bringing them through and the the the
all the people there
as i said with the with it with with the
ponytails were without the keepers and
they just started singing along with us
it became a nice friendly movement and
slowly but surely we are
seeing how much the world needs it
and it there's nothing to be afraid of
the casino
we don't have to be afraid of ponytails
or
no head coverings or short sleeves by
the other side of the
other side of the normal pizza we're
just all brothers and sisters
laughing together and we we just clicked
by the end of towards the end of shabbos
they were already telling us he better
come back next year
now let me fast forward it half of the
community in the wilkesboro
were upset at the rabbi you're bringing
the hasidim into our community
real treason you know so you're
corrupting you're corrupting society
and they didn't come 50 of the community
didn't come
next the following year when we went
back to the same place i saw many new
faces and they told me last year i was
upset at the rabbit for bringing herself
right after shabbos i heard all along
how much i missed it
i made short of a year now wow wow and
i guess that gives you a feeling of you
know you you really
broke down the barriers that that you
thought maybe not even possible or that
other people thought not be
not possible are you what did that give
you in terms of
inspiration of like we can continue to
do this
so my brother answered on you know the
waxbury experience that was our second
showers
our first one i was at and
i had mixed feelings because part of
being being worked up in the hassetta
close-knit community the only pets we
have are more children
okay so when i got to philadelphia the
first time as i said we have no clue
what's going on we knocked in the door
my wife was next to me i had a couple of
kids i don't remember how many i had
then 10 years ago
and the first welcome was barking from
behind the door
and my wife looks at me who came up with
this idea of traveling considering
so we there was was dogs in the house
out that first shabbos now no offense to
all the dog lovers which personally
by now my family loves dogs because
we've stayed in so many houses they have
so it was interesting we weren't used to
it and i was like
uh we were slightly uncomfortable but
over shabbos when we saw how the message
resonates
we weren't cured of professionals we
play we just sat in show
and senegal and over the the shabbaton
we were singing and getting to know
people
it resonated people were afraid as my
brother would say initially there's
there's this distance but it resonated
that w
that we are family and i said if that
works
we're gonna do this every week because
we just need to share that message of of
of whether word love unity
amazing you know you saw there are many
people who
want to share want to share judaism with
others they do
and you know but but but here you are
faced with a situation where you were
you weren't only sharing judaism you
were you were sharing
the the feeling of hasidis and the
feeling of what you had inside of you
with others when did you realize that
that was something
that you can get people to connect to
one shabbos it was in um
some place in maryland and
after shabbos this lady came up to me
she told me that
that when we came she was very upset i
see them
judgmental should the whole whole
challenge is going to he's going to be
busy
what clothing am i wearing what i'm
eating did i make a bracha or not
and and they're going to be busy with
this
i enjoyed the shabbos by the end of
shabbas i realized i was the only
judgemental person over there
because they're non-judgmental so this
is definitely it's step number one
how we how we look at our brothers and
sisters if we're judging them
why are they acting like this you've
lost before you start giving your sermon
if you show them that we're equal
brothers and sisters we are all on the
same page we're all living in god's
world we're all growing together
we all have to spread god's word from
wherever we are
if i began from born and raised hasidic
as my brother says bfb bells from birth
which i was not bills from birth i was
i was not hasidic
spreading the word from where we're
holding or a person
which is totally as unaffiliated but he
just knows about god
okay if you know that god created the
world spread it and don't judge someone
doesn't know about god
and that is our ultimate message we're
all brothers and sisters there's no
judging each other just loving each
other
amazing i know i know you saw i know
that we've we borrowed you for more time
than you anticipated i know that you're
going to teach a class and i'm going to
continue with arya and we have
uh rabbi ellie bennett who's going to
join us as well but i want to thank you
so much
not only for joining us here but for
everything that you do
and continue to do and my blessing to
you is that the world gets back on its
feet quick enough for you guys to start
traveling again
and making a tremendous impact on
communities amen our main and thanks to
you
it was in the merit of yasser friedman
pratchenspan isha toro that were able to
do our work
keep up your good work good to see you
thank you
go ahead keep keep inspiring people
thank you