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Milky Food on Shavuot by Rabbi Anthony Manning
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Good morning, everybody.
Welcome. It's good to see you all.
And I'd like to ask you, please, if you
don't mind to turn off your cell phones.
Also, I'd like to thank the sponsor for
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Kalman and Brocha. We're very grateful
for that. Now,
one of the things that I don't know how
good your memories are, but I think I
promised you last year before Shavuot,
which we never got round to, or maybe it
was 2 years ago, is we would have a
sheer dealing with issues of dairy on
Shavuot. We've never done this before.
I don't think it's the most important
topic in the world, I agree, but it's
one that's always interested me and the
more when I looked into it, I think
we'll find that what's going on below
the surface is something even more
interesting, which is not just the
relationship with milky foods, dairy
foods, but a relationship with the
mitzvah of basar b'chalav.
And there are sources that we're going
to see which are quite surprising, which
underpin what seems like a very
innocuous mitzvah,
and one that makes a lot of money for
Tnuva, I suspect,
which I don't begrudge them at all. I'm
in good luck to them. But nevertheless,
we'll see that it actually brings in the
concepts of minhag as well. What is
minhag? How does minhag work? And maybe
we'll after Shavuot, we'll spend a
little bit of time refocusing on that
issue of minhag, which we haven't talked
about for a long time, not this one
specifically, but other ones.
So, as you well know, there are
widespread customs to eat milky on
Shavuot. I'm not really part of this.
I'm lactose intolerant, like most of the
world is lactose intolerant, but we'll
get back to that in a minute. Some
people have a milky meal in the in the
evening and and a meat in the morning.
This I brought you was a minhag of many
of the Russia Yeshiva, the Chazon Ish,
the Steipler Gaon, Rav Aaron Kotler, and
others, was to have milk at night, meat
at lunch. Others do it the other way
round. The minhag in the Yeshivas in
Europe, in Volozhin, they used to have a
milk kiddush on Shavuos morning at the
Netziv's house. In Lomza in the yeshiva,
they used to have a milk kiddush and
they used to have meat meals. Um that's
the minhag and many chassidim do that.
Um as for the issue of eating meats on
yom tov, this is not really the focus
for today, but it's really not that
complicated. Um everybody agrees that
there is a mitzvah, specifically for
men, I'd say, but maybe for everybody,
um to eat um meats on yom tov, but
there's not necessarily an obligation to
eat meats on yom tov. And even though
there is a mitzvah, we'll see that the
minhag can often override
the ideal performance of the mitzvah and
make the less ideal one into a more
l'chatchila option. We'll see that um
uh that's uh system in work in a minute.
So, okay, let's let's look at the
earliest origins. Now, what's actually
very interesting here is that this seems
to be an Ashkenazi medieval minhag.
There is no hints in the Torah, well,
that's not true. There are hints. There
is no explicit reference in the Torah
for anything to do with milk on Shavuot.
I mean, there's no explicit reference in
the Torah that Shavuot, the festival of
Shavuot, is the time that the Torah was
given. It's not It's not called zman
matan Torah seynu by the Torah, it's
called that by Chazal. That's a
different shiur and there's a lot to say
about that. But and there's no reference
in Chazal either. In the in the writings
of the Talmud and the Midrashim, there's
no reference to eating dairy foods on
Shavuos. It really starts in the uh
11th, 12th centuries in Ashkenaz. There
could be a few reasons for that. So, the
the maybe the more prosaic reasons um
are that they had a lot of cattle um and
the the summer is the time when many of
the calves are being weaned off the milk
that they've been drinking. The calves
are calving in March and April and by
June, they're coming off the milk and
therefore there's just a lot of milk
around. A lot of cows, a lot of goats, a
lot of milk around. That could be one of
the opportunities to give thanks for
that. Um but also, and I can't prove
this in any way, the uh genetic mosaic
mutation which enabled people to be
lactose tolerant
was in Europe,
not in the Middle East. 99% of Chinese
people are lactose intolerant because
almost all people are meant to be
lactose intolerant cuz all mammals are
lactose intolerant. Once they have
weaned off their mother's milk, they
can't digest milk anymore. Why would
they need to drink milk? It's a genetic
mutation that human beings can drink
milk, and Europe was the place where
this mutation happened, not in the time
of the Rashba, but before. So, it could
be that one of the reasons that the
Ashkenazim got into eating cheese and
drinking milk on Shavuos is because they
were the ones that were able to digest
it. I cannot prove that. That could be
nonsense, but it's uh but it's a thought
that you may want to think about, and uh
let me know if you feel that that's
correct or not. But, the actual recorded
minhag, let's look at number one. Some
of these uh sources are quite obs- cure,
and I wasn't able to actually find the
Hebrew for them. Some of them um didn't
appear Many of them didn't appear on my
uh resources, but let's start with
number one. My father saw This is from
the Rokeach. The Rokeach is a uh German
rishon from the uh 13th century, and he
says as follows, "My father saw
regarding his uncle." So, that's three
generations back or two from him,
Rabbeinu Menachem, that on the holiday
of Atzeret, Shavuos, he would eat cheese
before meat. That's the point. He would
have cheese, and then he would have
meat, and he would wipe out his mouth
with bread dipped in wine that he ate,
and he didn't wait between them.
Now, that's really the key. That's what
people don't realize. How much do you
have to wait between milk and meat, or
for that matter, between meat and milk?
So, the first testimony we have here is
he ate uh milchigs, he did a you know,
brief wipe out of his mouth. It doesn't
say whether he a brachah acharonah, and
then he went on and he had his meat
meal. So, we're going to go back to that
idea of meat or cheese. He had cheese
here, which is interesting because what
kind of cheese was he eating? Was it
hard cheese? Was it soft cheese? Um
we're going to come back to that soon.
But actually, one of the main minhagim
that we see in the Rishonim is to eat
honey on Shavuot. I don't know, do
people still still eat honey on Shavuot?
Or honey has been pushed to Rosh
Hashanah.
Because honey on Shavuot, we'll see, was
one of the big things. And it comes from
a pasuk number two, Shir Hashirim.
Nofet titofnah
That your lips, says Shir Hashirim, will
drip honeycomb. And then here's the
famous pasuk, dvash v'chalav tachas
l'shonech. Dvash v'chalav. It's on
Shavuot, it's not milk and honey, it's
honey and milk. Dvash v'chalav tachas
l'shonech. What's that got to do with
Shavuot? So, look at the midrash. And
this is already in the classic sources.
Number three. Nofet
Eimasai, when is this referring to?
B'sha um she at oseketh b'Torah. When
you're learning Torah, the Torah that's
dripping from your lips is like honey
and milk dripping from your lips. Davar
acher, they quote this pasuk, it's b'sha
she amdu lifnei Har Sinai. When they
stood at Har Sinai, v'amru kol asher
dibber Hashem na'aseh v'nishmah. When
they said those words na'aseh v'nishmah,
b'oto sha'ah amar lahem Hakadosh
Baruchu, that's the point in which
Hashem, as it were, says to them, dvash
v'chalav tachas l'shonech.
Davar acher, alternatively, amar lahem
Hakadosh Baruchu, "Kach chavavtem es
haTorah?" You were so excited to get the
Torah, na'aseh v'nishmah? Chayeichem, by
your life, shehi netunah lachem
b'matanah. It's free. Ah, the Jews are
always in for a bargain. It's a free
Torah. I'll take two. Torah sheb'ichtav
and Torah sheb'al peh. Okay? So, this
dvash v'chalav is connected with na'aseh
v'nishmah. And I
actually saw a
a very interesting from a good friend of
mine Alan Haber
and he says he he suggests that
is a different kind of sweet to milk
honey is a very kind of immediate high
it's a very striking sweetness is one
kind of love it's the passionate love of
between the lover and the Beloved and
maybe that's Shavuot which is the
the the
this will do it we don't care
what it is we'll do it we love you we're
in we're committed and then the
is maybe the milk which is more
nourishing the sweetness is a different
kind of sweetness it's more the love
between Ruth and Boaz it's not a young
people's passionate love it's two older
people doing the right thing connecting
with each other cuz they forget they are
both people who are they're not young
lovers they're older people and that's
maybe the neshama which is that our
relationship is not just going to be a
passionate in the moment but it's going
to be a long-term nourishing
relationship it could be that's part of
what's going on here and and I brought
you a source in number four from from a
safer which I really hadn't really come
across called the hot medium which is I
brought you in the in the footnotes here
who this is of Jacob Anatoly from
Provence in the 13th century and he says
even the practices that were innovated
after the Torah come to complete this
intent he's talking about Minhag such as
our practice on this holiday to eat
honey and milk in that order to be
mindful of the acceptance of the Torah
which is compared to milk and honey
because it is known that milk is the
food of children due to that delicate
nature and in parallel comes the Torah
with active mitzvahs which is the food
for the soul of the many and my wife
said to me actually when I told her I
was doing a share about honey and milk
first she said you mean milk and honey
and I said no honey and milk cuz she
said well isn't milk and honey with in
the Torah is maybe not even milk and
honey at all color maybe white wine we
had a whole share on milk a while ago
could be the color of is talking about
white wine cuz Israel is not so known
for its milk. Actually, there weren't
even any cows.
Today it is because we have a, you know,
Correct. And we have high-tech cows here
as well. Um many years ago the Israeli
or, you know, agriculture industry
developed um
machines that mold themselves to the
exact shape of the cow's udders.
Normally, when you stick a machine on a
cow, so it is what it is and I'm sure
it's not that pleasant. I've never been
in that situation myself, but I imagine
it's not that great and the cow does
what the cow does. But in Israel now,
many of the cows have a chip. They have
a computer chip. As they approach the
machine, it adjusts the contours of the
milking machine to fit the exact udders
of the cow. And when the cow starts to
give milk, it's
it's that kind of like wonderful feeling
and therefore you get more milk, happier
milk, happy cows, etc. Um but halav u
dvash in the Torah could be white wine
and date honey.
The dvash is date honey. But this dvash
is bee honey. It's honey honey. Go over
the page to page two. The Kol Bo. And
you know, some of these are a little bit
repetitive, but you'll see they all have
a slightly different angle. The Kol Bo
and the Kol Bo is a is an
selection, a collection of Ashkenazi
minhagim put together by Rabbi Aaron ben
Jacob of Narbonne in 14th century Spain.
Also wrote the Orhot Tsaddikim as
follows. Number five. Gam nagula ehol
dvash v'halav b'hag Shavuot. We also eat
milk honey and milk on Shavuot. Mipnei
haTorah she nimshala dvash v'halav
because of the Torah which is compared
to honey and milk. K'moshe kasuv dvash
v'halav tahat l'shana. So you see this
is this is resonating through the
through the Rishonim. I brought you in
the footnote that the the Orhot
Tsaddikim, which was the other safer
written by the Kol Bo, actually makes
another mention, which is that the women
used to bake challahs with four heads.
We'll see what that's about in a minute.
What's a challah with four heads?
Because of the lechem apanim.
We'll see what the connection is, too,
but we'll see what those challahs are
coming quite soon. The Maram of
Rothenburg, classic Ashkenazi Germany,
13th century, number six. Nagula achal
b'chol minim achalim u'tzukim. We eat
many sweet foods on Shavuot, not just
honey, but k'gain chalav u'dvash mishum
dvash v'chalav tachas l'shonech
v'nidrash matan Torah. And even to the
point where this was parodied, Kalonymus
ben Kalonymus. Now, again, I I enjoyed
researching this year because I got to
meet lots of people that I didn't know
very much. Who is Kalonymus ben
Kalonymus? Kalonymus ben Kalonymus, I
brought you in the footnote again,
13th-14th century Provence, put together
an enormous poem called the Even Bochan.
And in poetry, he sets out lots of the
minhagim at the time, and he writes
there the number seven, the Jewish
people craved after milk and honey like
bears and lions. He who doesn't have
milk and honey pawns his utensils for
slices of cheese and fine flour. People
are so into their cheese. So, people say
to me, "Oh, Tnuva made the whole thing
up." Not true. It's not true. People
used to be crazy about cheese. And by
the way, they still are. My daughter
found English cheddar cheese in Osher Ad
in Petach Tikvah, cheaper than she could
buy it in England. And you should have
seen our family WhatsApp group. It was
almost as if, you know, the mashiach was
arriving. So, people still get excited
about cheese. Until they bake strange
bread. Now, this is also connected with
the idea that if you bake milchik bread,
you need to make it into a strange
shape. That's a halacha. That's why the
burekas in this country are square if
they're potato and triangle if they're
cheese because there's a halacha that
you have to make cheese if you make
milchik bread or pastries, they have to
look different. Hence the four-headed
challah we'll see, which was not just a
challah, but was a challah baked with
butter. It was a brioche. It was a
meaning we we if you weren't hungry when
you came into the share, you'll be
hungry when you leave.
And on the strange bread they have and
upon them challahs of honey and
cherries. Interesting. Cherry harvest in
Israel right now as well. We had a lot
of cherries last Shabbat. A ladder
standing on the ground and its head
reaching the heaven. And this is the
four-headed challah. Like a ladder, they
baked meaning I don't think there's any
real source for shlissel challah after
Pesach, but there's a good source for
sulam challah challah. And they say that
sulam, a ladder, sulam in gematria or
130 is equivalent to Sinai, which it is.
You can check that. And they also say
that the number 613 hints at dvash
chalav kimcha d'asmida, which is honey,
milk, and fine flour, which in gematria
is 614. They said except the gematria is
off by one. Now, I did actually research
this little bit because there is an idea
I brought you in the footnotes of Bnei
Yissachar that says the sources to one
of the sources that you can have
gematria off by one is because Yaakov
says that Ephraim and Menashe will be to
me the equivalent of Reuven and Shimon.
And I must confess I didn't have time to
check, but apparently Ephraim and
Menashe are the same as Reuven and
Shimon except they're just off by one.
Ephraim and Menashe is to 726 and Reuven
and Shimon is 725. Again, please check
it. I didn't. And but that apparently
that's where this idea comes from that
if you're off by one or one of the
reasons, maybe there are deeper reasons.
What's actually under the surface, which
is not for today specifically, but one
of the other things that the Even Bochan
Bochen is is famous, maybe infamous for,
is in the middle of his massive poem he
has a couple of stanzas about he how he
wishes he'd been born a woman.
And he writes that he says to God every
day that he he's a man anatomically, but
he wishes it could be taken away. And
and every morning when he says shall I
say
he says it with a whisper because he
feels that for him it's it's a which is
fascinating. Is it is that
parody on some kind is that true? Is
that how he felt? You can go away and
research that. If you Google that you'll
get some interesting hits by the way,
but
I'm just saying that
What's that?
I don't believe he does. I brought you a
reference. There's a beautiful book
actually by a fellow called Peter Cole.
I heard about him on a podcast who
translated into English in very he's a
literature person in very beautiful
English many of the medieval poems that
weren't translated. A lot of
and he translates this one. It's a book
called the dream of the poem. You can
look at that and if you like reading
nice poetry which is also medieval
Hebrew poetry translated well. So that's
an example. Okay, I'll let me leave that
aside issue of whether he wanted or
didn't want to be a woman. The idea of
honey is still mentioned in the Mishna
Berurah. He says some people still have
honey.
But I don't think they do anymore. But
we might have some honey on Shavuot just
just to say that we part of that minhag.
However, what's even more interesting I
think is number eight. Because there was
another minhag which we'll see connects
with Shavuot which we also don't do now
which which I think is making a little
bit of a comeback in Hasidic circles
which is as follows. Look at number
eight. And I brought this from the
Machzor Vitry. The Machzor Vitry is a
very old very authentic Ashkenazi record
from a Simcha Vitry of minhagim of
Ashkenaz from the 11th 12th centuries
from the time of Rashi. Having said
which there are different manuscripts of
the Machzor Vitry and they don't all
have the same nusach and we'll see you
can still look at the footnotes for
that. But look at number eight. When a
bringing his son into learning Torah and
the Talmud Torah they
write They
write
aleph-bet for a small child we're
talking about four, three, four
on a on a on a tablet.
They give him a proper wash and they
dress him up in beautiful clothes, clean
clothes. They cook him
three challahs of fine flour and honey,
honey challahs.
And a young woman will see why in a
minute has to make these challahs. They
make him three
eggs.
We bring him
apples. By the way,
apples
can be the word for any round fruit.
That's why in Hebrew and by the way in
many other languages
apple
pomme de terre
apple apple zahav. There's no word for
an orange it's just a golden apple.
Apple zahav. Anyway, we bring him
fine fruits. We find a
we find a
important
he brings him wrapped up to the school.
And they put him under his wing as it
were.
They carry him to wrapped up in the
blankets to the
we give him challahs they give him the
beautiful challahs with honey. We
feed him the eggs.
It's always food. Jews have always
connected to their kids with food. They
make him read
the letters. They
make him read the letters. They cover
the letters with honey. They tell him
and they say to him lick.
By the way, it's quite possible that the
origin of the Yiddish word lekhach
which when I was growing up lekhach was
always honey cake
is lekhach it's to lick.
Okay? It could be that's the origin.
They could be the same halacha.
We must see the moisture in him after we
wash him and wrap him up again and then
send him back to his mother.
So, when you initially start learning
with a kid, you you you give him
incentivizations.
But then you have to give him a bit of a
stick as well to get him to actually
buckle down. We're getting into that
now.
You start him off with Vayikra. It's
very interesting.
You teach him how to shuckle.
So interesting. You teach him how to
shuckle.
I just found this was I just wanted to
read this piece out in full because it
was And by the way, it's not full
because a lot of it I took out. But then
let's have a look at why. Why all these
strange men hugging?
Because basically it's as if we brought
this child to Har Sinai.
So, we wrap him up and we lift him up.
This is but Moshe said that's what we
saw with the Jewish people at Sinai.
brings the people
in the mountain
and he
covers them up with the mountain.
They're kind of swaddled in the
mountain.
Why do we write the letters on a on a on
a tablet, not just on a piece of paper?
Cuz your heart is like a tablet. It says
it says in Mishlei Write
them on the tablets of your heart.
They're fixed in your mind.
Why
do we wash him and dress him up so
nicely? at Sinai when they gave the
Torah.
They have to dress up beautifully for
Matan Torah. Why
three challahs? Three challahs, three
eggs.
Okay? Who my healing with all wine? They
can actually do this and do the behind
me so they got these three beautiful
gifts in the in the back desert the
these are there these are the ones the
bear the man and the slave.
The llama lotion
the color with wash and why do we make
the colors with milk again milk colors?
They make the colors with milk. We
can wash
we they they suckled
honey from the rock. We make sure we
have a fight.
Why
do we give it to a young girl? This is
actually fascinating to
to need the color.
The when the tower was given they were
particular.
They didn't want anybody to be Tommy.
From having had a sexual relationship so
we
give it to a young girl who has never
been married. These are all residents of
the of the men of Sinai.
She hit a horror.
Maybe even a girl before puberty who is
not even a Nita.
Make colors for the little boy. By the
way it was quite common in some circles
up until the Middle Ages that people ate
their regular food as if it was to hold
like trauma or coaching meaning they
wouldn't have anyone who was not to hold
in a locker touch the food. That's just
an interesting side side issue. And then
he says the color color llama. She can
do this and we want everybody to do this
to to learn to etc. The llama
llama to take us enough why does the
lift him up?
Because we want to give him
in a way which is a new way. That's why
he's wrapped up. The Derek and and
humble. She can do this and the tower.
What do we find when the Torah was
given? I love this Torah especially
since I just wrote a book about Sneasel.
Okay, shall I say
we don't want to do things too publicly.
So everyone can see them. Shall I
we don't want
on things. I'll show we don't want
people to damage them. She came
to official we showed us this very
famous word. The original
we know
we given in great pomp and circumstance.
Pomp and God of
broken
horns blowing lights flashing Lumia.
The
angels became jealous and we'll come
back to the angels soon. And then there
was a Satan. It's interesting linking
these two ideas. The verses of the
nation of Lucas and he caused everybody
to go off and the Lucas were destroyed.
Have a Lucas
you need to
but the second Lucas was given very
quietly. They are the ones that lasted
forever.
Here's a nice thing at the end. You can
remember this as to what to say to a
young boy when he starts learning. The
name of the Dawson and if you go to that
meal. For that little boy who's licking
off the honey.
You have you have to give him a special
brocha. The what do you say?
God may light up your eyes in his Torah.
Just like we say when he gets his Mila.
Now, if you want by the way to see a
very beautiful. Rendition
production of that
go to Rabbi Wine's Rashi movie.
Do you remember do you remember Rabbi
Wine's Rashi movie? No.
1990s experience.
In the 1990s Rabbi Berel Wein wrote made
a beautiful animated movie about the
life of Rashi. And it won awards like
real awards, not like Jewish awards, but
like animation, best animation, best
original soundtrack. Uh, it was very
very was beautifully done. They used
period instruments from the from the
High Middle Ages. They wrote an original
soundtrack, and they even took uh the
face of Rashi, they morphed it from
three descendants of Rashi. Uh, I think
it was Rabbi Cherebi, um Rabbi Yaakov
Kamenetzky, and one other, I can't
remember who it was. Um, anyway, you
should definitely watch the movie. Uh,
it's on YouTube. You can just just
Google it. Uh, it's called Rashi, A
Light After the Dark Ages. It's about 45
minutes. You'll have a better day if you
watch that movie, and you'll have a
nicer Mincha afterwards. And I brought
you at minute 36:33,
he has a 5-minute or four or 5-minute
rendition of this ceremony, which he
reproduces
A Light A- It's in the It's in the
footnotes. A Light After the Dark Ages.
Anyway, I just thought I'd bring you
this. I remembered in my mind that I'd
seen this somewhere. I remembered it was
in the Rashi movie. I found the the the
minute of the movie, and and that you
should go and have a look at that. That
Rashi movie, by the way, is very
interesting because Rabbi Wine, as a
Talmud Chacham, wrote the script and
puts into Rashi's mouth lots of the
things that he's thinking about and
talking about. One of the scenes in that
Rashi movie is where Rashi only had
daughters, obviously. He had either two
daughters or three daughters. He brings
down the daughters there, and he's
learning Gemara with the daughters. Now,
we know that Rashi's daughters were
talmidos chachamim. We know We know that
we they didn't wear tzitzit. That's just
fake news. But, he has them learning
Gemara with their father, and they ask
him in the middle of that scene, they
said uh they say, "Dad," or "Abba," I
can't remember what they used "Père, mon
père." Um,
uh, "if you'd had sons, would you still
have taught us Torah on this level?"
And Rashi looks at them and says, "You
know, I don't know. That's a good
question." That's Rabbi Wine's comment
on women learning Gemara, uh, which is
actually very interesting. So, whatever.
So, I brought you that so you could see
um that with there was the whole honey
and milk and milk and challah. What's
that got to do with us? Look in number
nine, the Rokeach, very quickly, the
Rokeach picks up this minhag and he
says, number nine, "Minhag avoseinu she
moshivin hatinokos leil moed be
Shavuos."
Which day did they do this with a little
boy? They did it on Shavuos. "Lefishani
ba'al Torah remez shem Hashem hanar
shelo yani." He brings all the different
minhagim that we saw, I cut them all, I
didn't want to read them all again. He
also brings another one there that they
used to write, they used to take an egg,
uh hard boil it, maybe these were the
three eggs that the Maxovich was talking
about, shell it, and then write on the
egg, on the white of the egg, a pasuk.
Used to write a pasuk on the egg.
And they used to write the pasuk from
Yechezkel, I brought you in the middle
there, "Vayomer Elai ben Adam bitna'cha
el umaya temalei." Eat up this Torah,
eat up this megillah, "Et hamigillah
hazos asher ani nosen alecha." Eat up
the megillah, he says to Yechezkel.
"Ve'ochalta hi pipi kvash umatok." And
it'll be it'll be so much part of you,
it'll be like honey coming out of your
mouth. And they mamash got the little
egg, they wrote on it the pasuk, they
got the kid to eat the pasuk. It's like
very very interesting. And where where
exactly these minhagim went, that's
that's a good question. In fact, there
are some people that have tried to bring
this back at the upsherin. Ach, there's
some chasidim at the upsherin,
they they do this with the kid, with the
licking, etc. But the old Litvaks
amongst us still are resistant to doing
an upsherin bechlal because like, you
know, that's it's funny, my uh
my my own children, we all were from a
Litvish background, we didn't do an
upsherin for our son. So, um my son,
who's very much part of that, you know,
he hasn't had a little boy yet, so we'll
have to see, but I don't think he's
going to do an upsherin if he has one.
Um but my daughter, who married an
Israeli, also Litvish but Israeli, she
didn't do an upsherin, but for some
reason they never cut his hair until he
was three. And she kept telling me,
"He's not growing his hair for an
upsherin day, he's not, he's not." He
just happened to have a haircut when he
was three. Okay, fine. But maybe they
did. Now, enough of that. Now we have to
go to fluden.
Do you remember fluden?
Fluden? Can you a fluden person? So,
what's fluden?
Fluden is a kind of cake.
But it's a very special kind of cake.
Now, I remember in I haven't had it
since I made aliyah, but fluden we used
to have was more like apple in the
middle and chocolate on top. But for the
Rishonim, fluden was highly resonant. It
was resonant of milchigs and shvuos.
Have a look here, number number 10. Says
the
uh here,
to me anyway, one of the Perushim on the
Torah and I put down in the in the
footnotes here who he was, one of the
Ba'alei Tosfos. He says as follows,
number 10. The world asks why we eat
bluden or bladen, a cheese pastry on
shvuos, and it seems that there's a hint
in the Torah. What's the hint in the
Torah? Here's a pasuk about shvuos. "U
ve yom habikurim
behakrivchem mincha chadasha laHashem
beshvuoseichem."
Chet, lamed, bet, shvuos. Chalav,
shvuos. This is an abbreviation of milk
and shvuos. But why fluden? I don't
know, he says. What's it got to do with
fluden? But now you'll see. Rabbi Yaakov
Merlin, again very the real very
important for Ashkenazim, in number 11.
It is if it's on the yom tov for shvuos,
for them this the custom that they make
a large fladen, which is fluden, and
they call it Sinai.
An enormous cake that they used to bring
in, a big fluden cake, which they used
to call Sinai. Again, a milchig cake.
Number 12. "Beshvuos ochlin chalav."
This is already this is the the
the Sefer Minhagim, again one of the
less known Rishonim. "Beshvuos ochlin
chalav, vezacher ramaz letamei
she'ne'emar." And he brings this pasuk,
"Mincha chadasha laHashem
beshvuoseichem." Roshei teivos chalav.
"Vetzarich le'echol gam basar." But you
have to remember to have fleishigs, "ki
ein simcha belo basar." Because you have
to have fleishigs on Yontiff, but people
didn't want to give up on their fluden
and I'll tell you why in a minute.
Number 13, the the Lekach Yosha, he
brings as follows.
15th century Bavaria, "Beyond Rishon
Shavuos on the first day of Shavuos,
oichel fluden, you have to eat fluden,
v'dagim hametuganim b'cheima." And you
have to have fried fish
fried in butter.
I don't recall whether my grandmother
ever fried anything in butter. She
seemed to make everything with schmaltz,
obviously not milk eggs, but everything
with schmaltz. There was schmaltz coming
out of the walls, it seems. "Dagim fried
with butter, the acher kach haya oseh
hadacha, but then you give it wash up
your yad, if you wash up your mouth, you
wash your hands or a piv
or or meisim etzba'osav letach piv." And
you put your fingers in your mouth kedei
lahadicha yafa to give your mouth a good
wipe out. I'm not recommending this
necessarily for hygiene purposes. "The
acher kach oseh kinuch acher basar tli."
And then you have you know, a bit of
bread or something and then you have to
have your meat. But very interesting,
what didn't happen? They didn't wait.
There's no bracha and there's no
waiting. They just had this beautiful
fluden and they had the fried fish in
butter, then they gave their mouth out
of a wash and they gave it a little they
flossed a little bit with their finger,
if that's what you do,
and then they immediately had basar. And
what actually where that comes into the
Shulchan Aruch is in a minag that we
once did in our house, but it was a bit
of a balagan and therefore we didn't do
it again, which is the minag that the
Remah brings down. Why are we doing all
this milky kanyon tiff? And he says
really what it's for is to engineer a
situation of shtei halechem.
The shtei halechem is the special korban
on Shavuos.
Look at number 14. "Usfartem lachem
mimacharas hashabbat." Some people think
that verse ends "Hinei ne'im u'machon
umzuman." But it doesn't, okay?
"Usfartem lachem mimacharas hashabbat
miyom haviachem et omer hatnufa." You
count from bringing the omer
which is barley on Pesach. "Sheva
shabbatot t'mimot tihiyenah." Seven
complete weeks. "Ad bimacharas
hashabbat" until the day
the shabbat the seventh week. This
week you can 50 days they can
you bring a new
you must
have the end of the you have to bring it
from Israel to new for like him to new
for you have to it's waved offering
Stein there's two loaves of bread Schnee
select
you have to bake them as because
and they called become him and therefore
the the the resonance on Shavuot is the
stay home again.
What are we doing on Shavuot to put this
stay home again into our minds and the
answer is eating milk cakes.
Why? Here's the
number 15.
The night game becomes the minute the in
many places is
beyond the
we eat milk cakes on the first day of
Shavuot. The nearly had time and I want
to suggest a reason is she will come
snake
the way you can pass
it's like the two cooked dishes on the
plate.
On say the night say
and say
we have these two bones or whatever we
have a roast egg and a bone say
can
so do we eat milk cakes the other so
and then we eat flesh cakes but
we have to
therefore we have to bring a new color.
I'll we have to bring a new color to the
table so you become a bear the table is
the
and now that we've had we've made a
motzi with two colors for the milk cakes
side and now what we do is we eat flesh
cakes we have to bring a new color.
Why do we have to bring a new color?
Because the first color is milk cake.
Why is the first color milk cake?
Because you either cuz you ate the
slices with milk and the cut if you have
sliced bread you can't go from one make
a
the other way around or we'll see in the
mission of Berurah, this color is milk
cake because they baked the challah
milkig. That's the whole point. They
baked it milkig, and therefore now you
bring a fresh challah, a new challah,
for the for the fleishigs. The Yesh Besa
Zikaron HaBayis HaLechem Shai Makrivin
B'Yom HaKippurim. And below become Yom
HaBikurim, excuse me. And I brought a
few selected Mishnah Berurahs here.
And if you look in number 16, let me
pick out the one I wanted to to read
with you.
Um ba ba ba bam. Look look at Tzaddik
Vav, Bais Lechem, it says. Or the chain
in the third fourth line of number 16.
Or the chain nagoo la'afos lechem echad
im chema. And dafke we have to bake the
challah with
with with butter. It's like patisserie.
The Az B'Vadai it's tzarech l'havi
lechem acher l'echol im ha'basar. What
about benching? Do you bench in between
them? And here he says something
interesting.
Uh Al Shulchan Aruch Tzaddik Zayin here,
he says, "V'Zalicha mapa acheres." You
have to change the cloth.
K'she'hu rotzeh l'echol basar, when you
move on to the fleishigs. "V'ein lo
tzarech l'hafsek Birkas Hamazon." But
you don't actually have to bench.
And that is quite strange.
Im ein lo achlich g'vina, that's as long
as you didn't eat g'vina kasha. If you
ate hard cheese, "Al y'dei kinuach peh
v'yadaim." If you ate hard cheese, then
you might have to wait, obviously,
depending on how long you wait for meat.
But he says
as long as you didn't eat cheese, you
have milkigs, clean your mouth,
change the table cloth, wash your hands,
bring out a new challah. Obviously, you
don't need to make hamotzi again.
And and and then you have fleishigs. But
what you've basically just done is had
milkigs and fleishigs in one meal.
Which is something that we just don't
do.
But because it's Shavuos,
it seems that we do. And you'll see here
there is a series of unusual leniencies
that crept into Shavuos for an
interesting reason that we'll find out
about. And in fact, the Mishnah Berurah
is so worried about this, he says in the
last bit of the Mishnah Berurah, he
says, "Zikaron HaBayis HaLechem."
V'ein kein yesh l'chitin, you should
make sure you have wheat bread on
Shavuos by the way if you if you happen
to like uh spelt or oat bread, Shavuos
is maybe a day to go for the wheat
bread.
But then he brings the Prima Ganim Yesh
Lish Inyan Machalei Basar V'Chalav
B'Chol Mash'chin B'Chol Hashanah. But
don't start taking liberties. Don't
start being lenient in a way that you're
not during the meal even though he said
not to binge. U'Sh'lo Latzes S'charam
B'Hefsedam because then you lose more
than you gain because you'll end up
being fast and loose with milchigs and
fleishigs. Now, where else do we find
this?
So, we don't really have these shailos
today because we don't milk our cows
on Yom Tov. I actually asked my great
grandmother who grew up in a shtetl in
Lithuania what her first memory was
when she was a small child.
And she said her first memory was uh
when she asked her mother for some milk
and she took her outside and they milked
the cow into a cup and she gave her the
milk from the cow which is very
interesting. Of course, it wasn't
pasteurized but she still made made it
to 97 years old baruch Hashem. Um but uh
it's interesting. I also asked her, you
know, what other memories she has. She
says, "I remember my father died when I
was a uh young and I went to shul to say
kaddish."
Drops his cup in amazement. I was like,
"Whoa, whoa." Like like whoa. I didn't
need to spend that reaction. So, I said
to her she was already very old and I
said, "You mean you mean Yiska?" She
said to me, "No, I mean kaddish." And I
looked at my wife and I said, "Oh, she's
already like a bit forgetful." She was
in her mid-90s. And later I found I
spoke to one of my uh colleagues Rabbi
Yitzchak Shurin whose father came from
the same um village Rittova in Lithuania
and he said it was well known that the
women said kaddish. That was a thing
that was known in Rittova the women said
kaddish. If they need to say kaddish, so
I guess my great grandmother had uh you
know, more lucidity than I than I gave
her at the time. So, what else did they
do? So, look at number 17. What if you
need milk on Yom Tov? Can you milk the
cow on Yom Tov? The answer is no. You
can't milk a the on Yom Tov. Can you get
the non-Jewish maid or servant or
whatever to milk the cow on Yom Tov?
Look in number 17.
The Aina Yehudi, a non-Jew, a life
behima be Yom Tov, who milk the cow on
Yom Tov, the Yisrael Aihu, and it's kind
of Yisrael because you're supervising
the milk. Yesh la hakel,
there are lenient opinions, ach naguba
isa, but we we we don't follow them, the
ain lishanais, and don't change that. We
don't drink milk on first day Yom Tov if
the non-Jew milk it on Yom Tov. You
could drink it on second day Yom Tov.
But you can't drink it on first day Yom
Tov. And you certainly can't drink it if
it was milked on Shabbos.
So, comes along the Maharshal of
Luria, who, you know, in my limited
experience, tends to be quite a machmir
on many things,
even on milk and meat. For example, the
Remah brings down, how long do
Ashkenazim wait between milk and meat?
And he says, "Originally, we didn't used
to wait at all. We just used to have it
in a different meal.
Then we used to wait 1 hour. And now
it's good to be machmir
to wait 6 hours." And the Maharshal
said, "Everybody has to wait 6 hours. If
you don't wait 6 hours, this is one of
the reasons why Ashkenazim are always
down on people like me who wait 3 hours,
and they, you know, they kind of give me
grief, and they say there's no source."
And the Maharshal, Luria, says,
"If you don't wait 6 hours, you don't
have any rayach of Torah, etc." I've got
I've taken a lot of heat for keeping 3
hours, okay? I'm a Western European, I
keep 3 hours. And but here the Maharshal
has a very interesting shaila. Number
18.
We're I'm not going to read the whole
thing, but look at that the way he
phrases it. Shaila. Shaila. Here's the
question. Chalav shechalva agoya be
Shabbos. Chalav which was milked by the
milkmaid on Shabbos or be Yom Tov or on
Yom Tov. Ee shari lasois mimeno fluden.
I've got to have my fluden.
That's what he says. Be chag hashvuos
olo.
And just the way he It's not like if if
if they happen to make
you don't take a Jew away from his
fluden on Sha- on Shavuos. It's a big
thing. And he goes through back and
forth and back and forth. And
eventually, you know, he says, "You know
something? Shabbat's definitely not. But
yontif, you can be makel. You got to
have your fluden. You can be makel. You
can the non-Jew can milk the cow and you
can eat the fluden. Very interesting. Of
course, they baked it on yontif because
you can bake on yontif. That's not a
shaila. But he brings that down. You can
read the shaila in your own time. Um and
this this caused something of a stir. Um
we'll see in a minute where that comes
from. But let's look at a couple of
other sources before we get into I want
to tell you 16 different reasons why 17,
excuse me, why maybe we actually eat
milkigs on Shavuot other than what we've
seen. But let's have a look for other
shla.
The shla Shnei Luchos Habris. He was
living in Eretz Yisrael. He was
originally, I think, Ashkenazi. Uh the
Shnei Luchos Habris, I think he was in
Prague originally. Um but uh he's buried
in Eretz Yisrael. Looking
How oilam nogeil achol b'chag Shavuot
machalei chalav. People eats um chalav
um milkigs on Shavuot.
But then they eat um then they eat meat.
L'chayem v'simachtah v'chagecha because
they've got to they've got to uh fulfill
the mitzvah simchas yontif. V'ein simcha
b'lo basar.
As tzarich l'dakteik l'hitkadesh.
Hitkadesh. He says a push there's a
pushback. Now comes the pushback. You've
got to be kadosh.
B'frat b'yom kadosh k'zeh, especially on
a day like Shavuot.
Shehu matan Toraseinu. Shavuot is the
day that you're going to play fast and
loose with the mitzvah in the Torah.
L'asot kinuch. You have to wipe out your
mouth. L'hadacha. You have to wipe your
hands. You have to wipe your mouth.
Clean it out. Eat something between.
U'l'hafsik b'virchas hamazon. He says
you have to bench. Interestingly, the
Mishna Berurah said you didn't. He says,
"No, you have to bench." U'l'hamtin
sha'ah. And you have to wait an hour.
That's going to make for something
somewhat lengthened meal. Meaning you'll
have your milkigs.
And then you'll sit and drink drink you
know, a bit of whiskey, a bit of cognac,
and you'll schmooze. And you'll I
suppose back in the day maybe they
smoked a cigar as well on Yuntif
whatever I smoked a pipe and and and
then then only an hour later you can you
can eat your fleishigs. The
and you have to have a new tablecloth
and then you can have your fleishigs.
And he brings a nice remez. Here's a new
one we haven't seen. The remez ledaven
where's the hint? Reshis bikurei ad
matzah tavi. You must bring your
bikurim. Here he's talking about first
fruits but Shavuos is Yom Habikurim.
Basar b'chalav
lo t'vashel g'di b'chalev imo. In the
same pasuk. Bring your bikurim but don't
eat milk and meat. She'ain is assur lo
ya'arvevem. U'mishi mitkadesh b'zeh
b'yotzei kodesh
The more kodesh you are on this that's
great. He brings the the the leniency of
the of the Maharshal to the non-Jewish
milkmaid can milk the milk but he says
okay you know that's a leniency but we
try whenever we can. Um this wasn't
really accepted. If you look in number
20 the Be'er Heitev. The Be'er Heitev
appears on the page of the Shulchan
Aruch. It actually on the Mishna Berurah
as well. It's a collection of different
poskim in Ashkenaz from the from the
17th through to the 19th century and he
brings down they bring down this halacha
in number 20.
So Ein Le'eil go and see this other
siman the chalav she'nechalav b'Yom Tov
al y'dei akum yesh lin'hog bo issur. We
don't drink milk that's been milked by a
milkmaid on Yom Tov. The Ein l'shanot
and we don't change that minhag ela
b'Yom Tov sheini. On Yom Tov sheini we
will yesh l'hatir.
The Chein has Kama Taz that's the answer
of the Taz. The Magen Avraham I
mistakenly wrote the Shach in the in the
English it's the Magen Avraham. Okay.
The Loch Maharshal and we don't pasken
like the Maharshal. She'heiteir hu la'hu
allows it the milk on Yom Tov for the
fluden. The Chein Kasa b'Tshuvos Chasam
Sofer and he brings a teshuvah also the
Nachalah Shiva. And he brings the
Nachalah Shiva which is a very famous
posek. But he says v'sayan but the
Nachalah Shiva ends mikol makom im
hayisi b'makom she'nohegim heter but if
I went for Yancey to a place where they
did milk the cow to make the fluid in
I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't say
anything. I'd eat the cake because I
don't want to be Muhammad on people in
that way. Um and then I brought you
finally in number 21
he basically says
the the the
the Joseph
I don't really like it. He was in my
head game in Frankfurt. He said some
people eat milk and then meat, but he
says I don't like it. Why? Because he
holds you have to wait 6 hours between
milk and meat. Okay, 6 hours. Now 6
hours you can't interesting between milk
and meat, not between meat and milk,
between milk and meat. So he says
basically we don't do this anymore
because we're knowing and now I've never
I mean the people wait 6 hours between
milk and meat.
I've never seen anyone sit but
apparently he says they did and
therefore they they either had milk
cakes pure and simple
or flesh cakes.
Hard cheese, correct, but not for milk.
He said either we just have a pair of
dish cooked in a milk cake pot
to be
yeah, which is not really milk cake or
we just have a milk cake meal or we just
have a flesh cake meal, but we don't do
any of this kind of switcheroo. Fine. So
you see already lots of different in my
head game, but he does talk about the
minute to make a color like a ladder
with seven rungs. Just look at the end
here but I'll call upon in three lines
from the bottom. We have a game with a
sauce mulita. We wait we make something
called a mulita. What's a mulita?
I've never heard of a mulita other than
here. Um milk color or butter side. You
either made it from milk or with from
meat or
or the most salami it's like a ladder
with seven slivers. Okay, it's a ladder
with seven rungs etc. It's like a sliver
of cream as a sliver of the seven
heavens. You got a cottage by the pool.
The shots mountain tower. Okay, so does
anyone have ladder color on Shavuot? All
sorts of new things you can do this
Shavuot. You can have some honey. You
can have brioche. You can have fish
cooked in butter. You can have a ladder
color etc. Fine. Already by the 18th
century everybody's catching on and
everybody's having milkigs, even the
Sefardim, assuming they could digest it,
they're having milkigs on Shavuot and
that became a widespread minhag.
Interestingly, I didn't mention this,
but the Samaritans also have milkigs on
Shavuot.
Now, why do the Samaritans have milkigs
on Shavuot? They're for sure not
Ashkenazi and they didn't have anything
to do with the Ashkenazim. So, I'm not
sure. It could be one of the reasons is
that their Shavuot always falls on
Sunday
by definition because they always had
That's one of the things that the the
Khazars talk about. They say "Mimaharath
Shabbat is the day after Shabbat of the
week, the Saturday, the Shabbos." So,
because milkigs because they always had
it on Shavuot and on Sunday and they
can't cook the day before, so what's
left? They can't probably can't have
meat and they don't have I don't know
what if that's the reason, but that
could be one of the reasons.
Or it could be they just once had an
Ashkenazi visitor and they got very into
it. I mentioned to you that I when I
went to see the Samaritans, I mentioned
this I think last week, I asked them,
"Do you have separate dishes for milkigs
and fleishigs?" And the guy looks at me,
the Samaritan guy, Shamronie, and he
says like, "What do you think I am,
Reform?" So, he said, "Of course I do."
And I said to him like, "Lama, you Why
do you Why do you have milkigs and
fleishigs? There's nothing in the
written Torah about milkigs and
fleishigs." So, I think quite a lot of
the Samaritan minhagim have become
merged and mixed in different ways and
they also buy Tnuva yogurts. So, um you
I ask your local Orthodox Samaritan. He
told me he'd have to ask the Cohen
Gadol. So, ask the Cohen Gadol. Okay,
quick fire. Quick fire, 10 minutes. 16,
17 reasons why we eat milkigs on
Shavuot. So, number one, honey and milk
in Shir Hashirim, we saw that before,
connection to Matan Torah. Number two,
the hint in Bamidbar of chalav, as it
were, in the uh in the pesukim there to
do with Shavuot. Number three, the
gematria gematria of 613 or 614, one
off, etc. Number four, to bring bikurim
together with the prohibition of meat
and milk, uh etc. Number five, here's a
new one. David Hamelech died on Shavuot.
I remember when I was a kid, I used to
have a story about David Hamelech and
how he died, you know, uh with the
Malach Hamaves got to distract him on
Shavuos. So, when the king dies, there's
a halacha the country has to be onenim.
Because we're all in mourning. And an
onen is not allowed to eat meat.
So, we eat milchigs as a as a as a a uh
uh in in avelus, as it were, for for for
David Hamelech. Okay, very interesting.
Chalav is gematria 40. That really does
work. And 40 days is the number of days
that Moshe went up Har Sinai to get the
Torah. Very good. Milk products are kept
uh in simple clay glass vessels. If you
put them in silver and gold, they go
off. It's not better, it's worse. So,
two Torah is better amongst Jews who are
humble, who are modest. But, if you've
got a lot of money and you've got a lot
of gaiva and you've got a lot of
arrogance, then you're not going to be a
talmid chacham. Okay? Uh number eight.
The brice at the end of avos, 48 ways to
acquire Torah. One of them is, avoid
self-indulgence. So, instead of eating
meat, we eat 15 different kinds of
cheese on Shavuos. So, maybe you
shouldn't be self-indulgent. That's
something I think things that people
pull back on as well. Here's a reason
brought in the Shach, in the Maginei
Avraham, excuse me. Look in number nine.
Number 22. Pay uh number 22 tell of page
six. Chalav, says the Maginei Avraham,
"Yesh harbei taamim." There are many
reasons. "Matzati katuv and I've seen
written a taam de itav be Zohar, a
reason from the Zohar. She itan zayin
shavuos, these seven weeks that we've
counted from Pesach, ha ilui Israel
shiv'a nekiim,
are like a purification of shiv'a nekiim
that a woman goes to before the mikvah.
Dugma isha hamitaharah, who who becomes
tahor, min nidah tahor from hanidah. Vi
adua she dam eikav na sechalav. And we
have this idea, says the Zohar, that the
blood of Pesach has become the milk of
Shavuos.
V'hainu midin l'rachamim. And now, I
actually think that this is the
something real going on here. This is a
real thing, not just like a gematria
which is kind of cute, but there's a
real idea that the the Gemara says that
the
when the mother is weaning is nursing
the baby rather, the milk that the
mother produce is made from the dam
nidah that she's not menstruating and
it's transformed into milk. Leaving
aside the the biology of this which I'm
not getting into right now, this idea of
the transformation from the dam chayiv,
remember Pesach is a very blood oriented
Yom Tov which unfortunately was taken
the blood libels etc. The blood of my
chamei, the chayi, the dam milah, the
dam Pesach and the Shavuos is the milk
which is the other side of that
purification process. I actually think
that's a very beautiful idea
and we need to think about that more. I
brought you number 10, I said number 23
which is the famous one the Mishna
Berurah brings that when they went to
Har Sinai they came down so all their
pots and pans were treif because they
were now Jewish and they weren't Jewish
before so they couldn't make fleishigs
and they didn't have time because it
takes time to have to shecht and all the
meat they had before was treif so they
had to eat milchigs. This is the the the
Mishna Berurah brings this down in the
name of Godol Echad. Why doesn't he give
him a name?
Well, maybe he didn't know who it was
from but the person it's from is
actually the Baal Shem Tov which is very
interesting. It's Chassidish. So did the
Mishna Berurah have a reluctance to name
Chassidish sources? Well, no, he names
the Shulchan Aruch HaRav who is the Baal
HaTanya. That's a halachic source. Maybe
he didn't want to bring this because it
was not a halachic source but this is
the reason that everybody's gunning for
because there must be about 15 different
reasons why this Medrashic idea doesn't
really hold water. Number one, who says
they weren't Jewish before Har Sinai?
Maybe they were Jewish. Number two, who
says they didn't eat meat at the time
they had korbanos,
you know, they had the zvachim from Har
Sinai. Number three, according to many
opinions they didn't eat meat b'chlall
in the midbar, they only ate korbanos.
So why why are they having a problem
eating meat there? There's the and they
brought other reasons as well.
There's a lot of number 4 did they have
all the details of shrita that comes in
who said so whatever it's the reason the
people give the Mr. brings it we have to
give it some covered but that's that's
the reason that's brought. Number 11.
Milk might have been treif to everybody
as in the sky.
We actually had a sheer on milk if you
remember that. We talked about all the
weird forms of milk. Milk from men and
milk from etc.
Milk might be awesome as in the sky. A
non-Jew is not allowed to eat something
that comes from a live animal.
So if we were indeed non-Jewish before
Sinai maybe this was the first time we
ever had milk. Okay, it's a nice idea.
Now this is what I want to focus on for
the last few minutes of the year.
Abraham serves the milk and fish. Number
24. They have a lot of milk and fish
and they have milk and fish. He takes
butter, milk, and meat and he serves it
to the
what's going on here. So have a look
here in number 25. It says the
shamati I've heard a reason. She have a
lot of milk and fish. We eat milk and
then meat.
The like my son because we're not like
the him.
It's all Abraham she bought some milk
because they ate it together. But we're
saying totally Israel and this all ties
in with these remember the Russian that
didn't want to give allow motion to take
the Torah.
And therefore motion had to argue and he
says this is a to the
and we say to him look we're not like
you. You eat meat and milk. We're even
better than that. We eat milk and then
we're careful and we wash out our mouth
and we change the cloth and we and then
we eat meat. So who should have the
Torah? You who don't even want to keep
the Torah or us who are on the Torah?
Interesting reason. And however it cuts
in different directions. Number 26, just
have a look here for a second. So, then
he writes the Ber Heitiv, uh, "Katava
Donai Zikeni." I think that's who he's
talking about, his grandfather. "B'sheim
Ha Kol Bo, d'beshvuos yeish nogeim
l'achol g'vinah." There's a minhag on
Shavuos to eat cheese b'seudas mincha,
in the afternoon meal. Now, on Yom Tov,
you don't have to have shales seudos,
but they used to davka have a cheese
meal on the afternoon of Shavuos, "af
she'ein vav sha'os misudas shacharis."
Even though it's less than 6 hours since
you had your meat meal.
Now, that's interesting. Who says that's
okay?
People who are keeping 6 hours between
meat and milk, this is not milk to meat,
this is meat to milk. They had fleishigs
in the morning, and then they have
cheese in the afternoon, and it's like,
"Oh, what time is it? Oh, it's fine.
It's fine. Don't worry about it." It'll
be okay. On Shavuos, we can be a little
bit little bit more lenient.
Now, leaving aside whether you have to
be a clock watcher generally for the 6
hours between meat and milk, that's a
separate question. Of course, the Rambam
says, "K'mo
sheish sha'os," around six "k'sheish
sha'os," excuse me. But, I brought you
in number 27, the, um, a piece that I I
recommend that you read over Shavuos
from the Noam Elimelech. The Noam
Elimelech is a chasidishe source of
Elimelech of Lizhensk, and he says like
this, he says exactly the opposite of
what we just said.
Normally speaking, a tzaddik
can't eat meat and milk together. Why?
Cuz meat represents gashmius,
milk represents ruchnius, and when the
tzaddik eats meat, by the tzaddik
eating, he turns that physicality into
spirituality on high. But, the meat, as
it were, is down here, and the chalav,
as it were, spirituality is up there,
and never the twain shall meet.
But, malachim,
who are that combination already, and
that's a very kabbalistic idea that
malachim are kind of combined physical
and spiritual. They don't have to be
careful about that because they're
already that combination. So, they can
eat meat milk together.
That's why they ate with our Rama Venu.
And on Shavuot, where we're like
Malachim,
we can be lenient like Malachim and a
little bit of fast and loose. God forbid
we're not going to eat meat and milk
together, but we're going to just not
look at the clock and we're going to
have our cheese. It's really
interesting. It's exactly Pumpernickel.
It's the opposite of what we just heard
that he said, "You're more like a Malach
on uh on Shavuot and therefore you can
be a little bit more lenient." By the
way, the other cabalists say that you
have to wait 24 hours between meat and
milk.
24 hours. And there were those that did.
And if people were doing that, then you
know, it's even more uh striking how
they did this on Shavuot. Last uh three
lines, um
five other reasons why uh you may eat
cheese on Shavuot. Har Sinai is also
called in Tehillim Har Gavnunim and the
word Gavnunim sounds like Gvina. Okay,
fair enough. The land of
uh Israel is praised as flowing with
milk and honey and Yoma Bikurim is a a
time when we remember Eretz Israel.
Okay, on Shavuot, I like this one. On
Shavuot, Moshe brought us the Torah, but
Shavuot is Moshe Rabbeinu's due date.
The Midrash says he was born 3 months
premature.
He was born on the 7th of Adar. He was
meant to be born on Shavuot. So, Shavuot
is the day that his mother put him in
the Nile because that's when they were
expecting him due. Shavuot is the day
that Batya found him and he wouldn't
milk from a non-Jewish nursemaid. So,
because he wouldn't milk from a non-
drink from a non-Jewish nursemaid, all
these Midrashim all put together. So,
Shavuot is the day when Moshe didn't
drink the milk. So, today's the day we
do drink the milk to remember Shavuot.
Okay, to remember Moshe. 16 milk is
known to increase the sexual appetites.
Um that's one of the reasons they
wouldn't eat like the Cohen Gadol have
it before Yom Kippur. And when people
separated before Matan Torah, they
didn't eat milk. And now they can get
together again after Matan Torah, so
it's it's milk festival because we can
we can celebrate our reunion. Uh I left
you some other things you can read as
you as you see the sheets later. So I I
I hope you don't mind that I couldn't
resist doing this.
But Minhagim are very important and what
I want to look at in more focus after
Shavuot, please God, is exactly how
these Minhagim work and play with
Halacha. What is the interface between
Minhag and Halacha? How does that work?
When Minhagim are bad, when they're
good, why they annoy some people, and
why they're important. So let's leave it
there. I wish you all a Chag Sameach.
Enjoy all your culinary delights and uh
and and we'll speak after Pesach after
Shavuot.