Daf Yomi Succah Daf 08 by R’ Eli Stefansky

good morning round boys how do you guys know that today's the day yesterday today is sponsored by yossi minzar [Music] new york now tish above so we like to learn every single day and therefore we're gonna have a share tomorrow friday and there's gonna be sheer here in the basement on shabbos tisha bob before minha yes i asked my local rabbi it's a beautiful thing to do to learn entire on chavez matse tish above i don't know what time it is i have to look at the schedule but i need some time to eat also it's not like a regular mozzarella where you go right away into cheers and i eat once a year uh there's also going to be two shiro mammoths above the sheer from shabbos as a repeat but that comes after the masai tish above sheer robots i just want to mention it's a good opportunity to to have this in mind tish above this year and chavez is the perfect time for the it's a heart to jump in and knock you off the daf yummy bandwagon it's hard to learn and you don't have the regular kvs and you might be learning on your own it's kedai to open up a gemara on shabbos look over the sugar yourself and if you can go to the sheer afterwards but try to learn don't fall off don't fall for that temptation and if you do if you do miss to death even to that just jump on the back of the wagon right after this above as if nothing happened write it down that you missed the two tissue adoption it's not worth missing out on entire mescepta because you missed to deaf shirley berman hi i've been loving your shirt for some time i'm asking if anyone everyone can please have my baby who is having a two-hour eeg to determine his brain activity and brain abnormality he's already had several surgeries and still needs a few more his name is david mordecai ben bayla rifko should have a reforest lame up just saw avigar gear leave so this will be for a different time listen to this one hello robbie stefanski i came across the davshir from the meaningful people podcast i have this opportunity that i 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forgot i don't have it with me oh do i maybe i do have it here hold on somewhere in there from amy velensky this is a guy that i once mentioned or a few times i used to go on these uh mentor mission trips with uh or samar traveled from america to chicago from chicago to arizona with students that weren't religious and trying to make them from so here's a picture of me on that trip with amy velensky a non-religious russian at the time joined from certain sukkah hoping to make my third team on it with you best ami velinski this is him it's from kids unbelievable this guy right over here that's me and from tober levy i must convey cards to toe for the relentless efforts and illustrations you put into this chair it's no kiddish as a sparty to have more geshmak than a lit fact and no less than a hasset that's and no less than a classic that's like what you've achieved is that your share has see them hold themselves as the greatest kish monsters in the world no less no less and oh no less they're just as just as as the most schmucks there are in the world that's what you've achieved is that your shares already been banned by the authorities in this country he's in turkey oh it's the subject this throws you off ichika gurus from turkey from this party yeah okay for the trafficking capital was able to do hazard at least three times not to mention the minute as if your charts aren't another distraction of the road now we have to contend with with gary testing his joystick and joseph improving his editing skills can't wait to be back in mdy here he is in turkey and if you look closely at the odometer it says eight minute dive over here on the thing in his turkey here he is with the daft so that's that this is that and before we start chair here's a great caval this is like a striking after circus what i did not so give it to me sorry if you have it um here's a good joke i thought it was a good one for yesterday's daf thanks for amazing sharon you're absolutely the best someone asked you have schmuel russovsky's asylum purim this is purim how can we say that on shabbat sukkas we can carry in paris marubo because of amiguru he said that if there's more opening than clothes how can you do it as ambiguity we have a clown miguel this is purim thyroid so small responded without missing a beat we're singing curry by no llama friday night so you could take out your nation from out of amigue miguel you take him out megaluso so you see that chavez we do see we do say miguel haiti i love mdy he calls it my daf yomi mdy i've run maisha from a kiriat safer together with abraham zorov they should have a whole khaburi and kiryat save him here we go we are holding today is we're holding the zion on the base the paranas by michael bemela i think that's how you pronounce it sometimes they say it means the same thing in memory of his mother fago and father-in-law menachem mendoza and in the scrolls to make it to uma this year amane i am your main just for that it was worth for the mello to sponsor okay so yesterday we finished off akhiram the eight cheetahs of that say that asuka has to be adiras keva a permanent house and what i say this is where we're holding today this is probably one of the most famous dapper maybe in chas people look at it and they see all these lines and this this easy easy stuff really this is one of the shortest easiest dabbing in the sukkah we're gonna have to figure out a way to do it in 45 minutes not going to be easy not going to happen probably if you build a sukkah in the round bay kefak if 24 people can sit around the sukkah like this 24 each person takes up one armor guy verb see also so if you have a circumference of 24 that means that i could fit a sukkah in here what kind of sukkah are we talking about says the gemara bim lapses we're not talking about square footage we're talking about the ability to fit in a square sukkah of four ammo by four amazon into a circle in order to do so you need a circumference of 24 ammo we're going to see if that really holds misty so now we have rule number one in math now as tises points out and all that you're trying to point out the gemara knows that this is not accurate in terms of math we know pi you want to know what the circumference of a circle is you figure out the diameter and you do pi but the gemara has a simpler way to do it for to teach you can't go you can't do one point one another three four sets whatever you can't do that you can't tell people to start making crazy calculations so you give them a very very simple calculation there's nothing simpler than one times three if the diameter is one tefl then the circumference is three the simplest thing in the world mimeila asks the gemara almost seems like a klutzkasa but we we got to go through the steps if so but tracer sagi what are we looking for we're looking for a four by four amma sukkah so four atoms four take a diameter of four times three you just told me that if the diameter is one you time by three so over here the diameter is four times three equals twelve so twelve almost circumference should be enough where do you come up with twenty-four okay it doesn't even start the question right because we have to fit a box in there not a not a not a line that's what the gemara is gonna say we're just going through the steps here now what's beautiful is everybody in this room including the six-year-olds has more schooling in math than i do so i'm probably the only one here and my cathedral friends and bharapaka mean yasi klein are really going to enjoy this gemara it goes through the math in a really really simple way today you just take out your calculator how do you fit a box that's four by four in the serve boom boom boom bam but if if you go to ponovich you need this you need to go through these steps here [Music] says okay we're talking about a square trying to get a a square that's four by four into the circle you need more now let's figure out how much more right the whole gemara is based on a question answer question answer now not every time is the question like a bomb question wow you heard this unbelievable crash i don't know what to do with it and then there's a great terrorist it's a it's a it's a style of talking we're trying to get to a point there mr kam and meruba how much is a square greater than a circle riviera so rashi says something very interesting twice argues with him right away burashi says if let's let's just take a circle the the diameter is one if you take a string and go around at the end that's one tava how how long is that string three two so conversely if you have a box that's one by one by one by one and you take a string and go all the way around the box how long is that string four that means that a square is greater than a circle by 25 a circle is only three and a square is four places but that doesn't account for the square feet or inches or area inside that box yes the outside is 25 but not it doesn't tell us the the inside surface yeah that's what isis has revealed the eagle the norfolk miguel your cache is great oh hold on let's not miss any pictures here so this picture number one which we said already if the diameter is for ammos he did it nicely put two things here to fool you to show it is almost like a box so if it's four ammos then the circumference is 12. why do i need 24 human beings which is 24 amma says the gemara um that's great be eager then offering me rebua if the circle is inside the square then the square is 25 larger than the circle like rashi explained or that idea that if you take a string go like this it's three you take a string and go like that it's four so it's twenty-five percent larger avo ribbua the norfolk megoi gula bay it's but we're talking about fitting a box in a circle not a circle in a box we're trying to fit a four by four sukkah inside a sukkah inside a circle here's the circle and this is our sukkah so you need more how much so now the gemara says very very simple thing the kindness because you have all this area of the of the of the corners that it has to contain the circle has to go around the entire square including all four corners and therefore it takes up a lot more space so how much mrdi called amso very good says the gemara a very simple thing you take the diagonal from corner to corner how much is that that is 1.4 says the gemara 1.4 if this is one tepha then the diagonal is one point fourth again tyson here says it's not accurate and we don't need to be accurate it's 1.41 what whatever they knew the exact number actually they they were showing them say the exact number it's not a problem they figured but you can't tell a talmud 1.4143 it doesn't work you can't see what yeah 1.14 exactly fine 1.4 round it out one point one point four one four thank you correcting me on my math says the gemara so what do we have here so now it's great because a diagonal is actually the diameter of a circle it's the same exact thing if you stick a square in a circle so from corner to corner the diagonal is also the diameter it goes from here to here in the circle so we came up one tefl equals 1.4 it's 1.4 if the diameter is 1.4 times 3 is 5.6 yeah is everybody holding don't lose me here because this is the easy part no no it's not kidding again the diagonal from corner to corner is 1.4 of the outside of the square so if we're just talking about one tefl or one amma it's 1.4 am is the diagonal so if we have a square that's four by four so we have to do four times the diagonal four times 1.4 which equals 5.6 now that you have to times by three why because that's the diameter that's from here to here the diameter and we said that whatever the diameter is the circumference is three times an amount so time 5.6 times 3 equals 16.8 yeah you did the value 3 times 5 is 15. 3 times 0.8 is 16.8 that's the number we have that's the whole song that's it we're done every time you have a square the diagonal from corner to corner is going to be one point four bishops 17 minus a fifth in other words 16.8 sagi so all you need is sixteen point eight human beings to sit around in a circle and you can fit a four by four sukkah inside why in the world does gemara say you need 24 human beings says the gemara laidak let's leave mars question in a second they weren't so careful they they added they they smeared it instead of saying 16.8 they said 24. now who said who said that balak is russian if you're going to be such a nitpicker with your friend you're not going to be zaika if i have to reach martha you have to smear it a little bit so two over here same thing i had nothing else to say today by the way i made it before that story maybe it's trying reviews very upset that somebody made a joke about apostol it wasn't the joke because i thought somebody saw you it's a joke it's a joke it's a real nervous sentence you said that's a joke oh okay so here's another question before we go invite there as tyson says the gemara is not being accurate it's a little more than one point four but one point four is to to to be easy to make it easy on us so when there's a halacha that you need a square for instance your twilight have to be square allah has to be square how can you tell if the square you check the you check the diagonal so on both sides so question does the diagonal have to be exactly like we know it scientifically a real diagonal with the exact fractions of an inch or digmar says that light duck so to speak or maybe not maybe in terms of learning in ishiva when you teach you tell me let me teach them a very easy way you have to learn when it comes to checking it feeling you have to be very accurate no what do you say so much of it says no you don't have to be medic you go based on the gambara 1.4 if the if it adds up the angles that's enough for it's filling says the gemara hey murda meaningless dog porto you want to go instead of 16.8 which we came out to you want to go to 17. you want to 18 you want to round it off you want nice numbers high okay great two of me i'm lean on me i'm meaningly duck you're going to go to 24 instead of 16.8 that's exaggerated your assumption that we're counting the people that are sitting around in a circle how are we counting them you drew a line around them this blue line and you said it's 24 alma you're wrong it's 24 people but you draw the line inside them not outside of them within them the green line and the melo the tremendous thing happens here instead of the diameter being eight am is because if you have 24 amusing circumference divided by three is eight you have to take what how how how wide is this 24-person circle it's eight because three times eight is 24. so if you have 24 people it's eight if you take off two people from each side one on each side now you just shrunk your circumference to six eight minus two six six times three is eighteen oh now we're very close it's eighteen thomas what i did oh i skipped i'm so excited we're getting into this marketplace let's see what wha i don't know that i skipped but okay let's hit inside besides guy rip i'm seeing yeah i'm just trying to to stall for time doing later gemara earlier and then we're going to go back do it again for a second time plus again what happened is your whole assumption is wrong you thought that a person takes up one ammo it's not true two people three p what is it three people take up two so in melo we have to take off a third take off a third of 24. take off eight ammo kamehameha come have a little sir if you're going to take off a third of your calculator never said how many ahmed is it just said take 24 people put them in a circle you thought it's 24 amma i'm telling you you're wrong three people could sit in two ammo men may look 24 people could sit in 16 ammo so all you need is 16 ammo how much how much did we say the sukka has to be 16.8 you see the problem there now we made a cooler we said all you need is 16 ammo where in fact you need 16.8 the gemara will never do that we can't chop off some of the soak and say you know what i'll smear it downwards i smear it upwards i always give you more stuff you have to build a larger soaker not a smaller suga yeah you need sixteen point eight but i only gave you sixteen say that's the gemara hey monday i wish i had a clock here so i can see what's going on is there a problem with this screen no wow all right we're doing great maybe someone has might you want to get up here and hit some ice is off no that's a great idea let's go i'm waiting it's not a bad idea they'll say not only is the magazine sugar the whole share is me sugar [Music] come on i could say that instead of 16.8 give me a socket that's 17 give me something that's 18. but to say instead of a socket that's 16.8 to give me a circuit that's 16 be mako make a smaller circle requires that doesn't make any sense [Music] yosef no let's go back to the original it's 24 people means 24 hours now i get to say this all over again we were talking about the circumference around the 24 people i'm telling you no let's use the circumference inside the people the inner circle the green tama thomas ray 18 why 18 because you take off one person from this side one person from this side so you're left with six ammo versus eight ammo again what's the cash if you have 24 people we know the circumference is eight why because if the circumference is eight times three equals 24 so you have 24 that means the circumference is eight now we're going to take off two armor from the eight because we have to take off two people one from each side so now the circumference is six six times three equals 19. hanovich 18 18 but we said that all you need is a circuit that's 16.8 light dog 16.8 is enough hide on the light dog welcome here later we made you make a bigger sukkah an an 18 sock instead of a 16.8 okay now when i was a bakarinishi a baker i was 11 years old in a yeshiva called finally when i was 13. so i learned something when i was 11. and i remember very clearly my rebbe set over this places as he shook down in high school don't ask me why i was in that youtube channel talk to my father we have issues but the rebbe said over this tysos with the with the circles and the triangle and the this i thought was great and i always wanted to try it out and i tried out it kind of failed but i want to show you my my little uh because we have plenty of time here but i i tried it's not soggy schmuck let me show you my different attempts here first i bought licorice like this and i tried to make it larger it was a disaster the biggest disaster was that i popped one of my mouth in the middle i'm not kidding i had such a tired thing and i just ate it that was one problem then i went with this guy and this didn't work i so finally i decided i reduced myself to the kindergarten and i went with clay with play dough i made this so tyson says like this imagine you have one tefl this is about a tefl great it works out you take a string and you start from the center and just go round and round and round and round and round until you're you're done then you take a knife and you cut it to the center now from the edge to the center is a half a tefl because the whole thing is a tefl and then you spread it open you open it up actually the pictures and places are much better but it's cool with play-doh so you get something like this trust me i wasted a good hour on this i opened it up it almost came out okay it's a little bit of a failure from here to here is three twelkem because if the diameter is one tefl from side to side is three and you have a little triangle you take the triangle and you cut it in half there's still a half a tefl tall and you put this piece on top of this piece and it looks something like this and then what then you take whoa hello then you take this piece and you cut it into three what are you going to be left with three slices because this is a half a tenth of white you'll be left with and that the triangle over there was 3 12 long so half a three is one and a half so if you cut this into three slices you're going to be left with three slices of a half a double by half a tefl i'll explain to you in a second this is three wide by half tall you cut it in half so you have one and a half tepha which is this right over here this is one and a half table by after you can make three pieces that are half a thousand by half of that back out of this square but guess what says tysons if i started off with a tefl square not a tefl circle i would have four pieces that are a half a double by half a tefl and that's how you could prove if you go to pontiff you don't have a calculator that a square is 25 larger than a circle wow they know math they're fine my father never went to any school i have more education than him i went to fifth grade in basilica in uh bar park and he didn't even go through that he's very good at that i was managed i was like the same places in iraq suffering but i learned this in sukkah and i really want i didn't have pl whatever okay wrap up your siree vampirina where are we holding oh we're holding 10 minutes from his base giveaway sorry it's not so good it's the easiest robot i think you're sorry about diana the kisare amri igula de loving boy riva so they say no you need you need 24 people and you need them on the outside like we discussed the the original says it says the gemara we're turning to that question base sponsored by the mdy tail group for all those who need shidduchim before you show us including this baby that we have to say to them for please join the hilum.amendable.com [Music] he goes back if the square's inside a circle oh did i skip something yeah i did egulate the nothing me going river that we said before that if the circle is inside a square it's 25 percent more fine but here they come with a bomb reboot nothing if the square is inside the circle pow go you have to add a half so if the perimeter of the 4 by 4 square is 16 you have to add fifty percent of the sixteen which is how much eight eight plus sixteen is how much twenty four so it's gevaltic it works great the only problem is it doesn't work in reality it's a little bit of a mathematic mistake so isis addresses this he says it's impossible that they made such a mistake how can you say that a square is 2 it's 50 we just did the math before it doesn't it doesn't even come close this is natalie duck so tyson says huh right below but how how they rabona kisari geniuses that that speak 70 languages not them but you're talking about the village who lived only three four hundred years ago wrote a safer island with schulich in the bathroom on on trigonometry or whatever was crazy stuff you think they didn't know math fine she says that what they meant is that the inner cir the inner square is 50 less than the outer square that's what they were talking about and someone along the way mis misunderstood what they said and he and he and he attributed it to a circle in a square a square in a circle but what they really meant to say is that just a square the one square if you make a square and put a circle around that square and then take a a square and put it around that circle then the inner square is going to be 50 smaller than the outer square if you have circles yeah because that's where the mistake came from it said that there's a square within a circle and a square outside of the circle and they confused it and they said that's nothing fine oh my god let me show you mayor that's it we're done we're done with that also all right you have a double sucker a double room you even have it today i went with my family a number of times because saucer but sometimes whatever you go to these uh pottery places you know these powdery places you go you make your own dish whatever and then you get to paint it you come back six months later you forget about the whole thing so you sit in the front they have a nice table they give you the stuff you paint in the back is where they have all the garbage all the shimatas the oven the whole thing this guy lives in the back that's where he lives that's where he has all this stuff he shows his goods in the front people come to the store and they buy stuff from the front it says the gamer there's a big difference between the inner one and the other one the inner one has you can't make a sook out of it why now we said the other day that according to basil you don't have to have the shema for sukkah so even a year old right mishna but you have to show you have to it has to be knickers that you're sitting in ahsoka you have to leave your house and go into a sugar yes it was built a year ago but you have to show you can't just sleep in your bed that you sleep in every single day and say oh i'm mitsusuka you have to make a hacker i mean you're talking about that there's kosher scotch right ring comes in all things that's how the guy lived nabak so abneyman that's meant the airbag making himself a coffee middle shirt he must be very tired stay circus leon talk to your buddy you lean on every day where are you i'm gonna sit down you made a coffee meal this you're gonna get it i can't believe it i'm going to be rushing for the last lines here in this almond sugar okay but the outer one is ahsoka and it's part of minimalism so the inner one is a real house that's where the guy lives has it has to happen funny over here ratchet doesn't say portico he says porka like a different word over there i don't know why bass shower we had this the other day in the beginning seth the dev gimmel bass shower entryway to the house so let it be an entryway to the back room and should be if the background is kind of sh okay it's not a house at least it's it's an entryway it's a it's a base shower give it a message for a base shark says the gemara mission what's not kevia don't make the mistake mishandling the back one is not kevor they're both naked in other words since it's it's a portable kind of house you don't have a base shower for something portable tanner this is the famous sukkot ganbar everybody she remembers this what does it stand for sukhas they make these little bungalows a little hot for the summer sukhas nashim they also they do their weaving in some sort of hut sukhas behemoth the animals need shade sukas kusim suko mikumaka of course so as we're going to see the gemara holds that this they become a girl because the lions were going to eat them are they gary rice or they really they were sincere in the beginning and just later on they went off so the cousin make their little thing your lady use it for a ahsoka sukuma kombakoim shayra any kind and the kumar's gonna say in a second what it comes to say um suraji points out what do you mean of course it has to have what do you think you could put because it's the sukkah of a woman so you could put it and you're going to be either what you thought that you could put that's not that doesn't provide enough shade what was your havamina oh by the way if you have my gemara the brown gemara whitney kudos yes i have the coolest of mine big boo boo over here he did vu let's sell sukkah period no bouchard saw let's right it reminds me of uh it could be some some woman that didn't wasn't learning the suggest didn't include this here like uh they say in art school i don't know if it's a true story the the the word in in hulen it said hakeva hey kov and they went to print and they saw that somebody put in uh apostrophe there because they thought it's like every time it says hey kuf instead of the intestines they put out that's what they say they lost a lot of money i have to ask the guy in archwell if it's true now now that we have a relationship there that's the dish if the woman makes the sukkah because she wants to provide shade for herself that's a great sukkah but let's say she did it for the core for some other reason whatever it is time to be cool not not not cool for shade i mean like cool like she's then it's not good what does it mean and all these success requires here another roshitas which are lesser less of a reason to think that it's kosher the donor rabbana and sukhas what does this stand for basin sukkas roy a shepherd these are men and they're high of basuka they're these are jewish men that are high basuko they have a little heart because they have animals such as kaiotsum they're they're watching the figs such as brew got him they watch the city all these things are very very temporary less less permanent than the women's sukkah the woman took at least she's there all year round doing her weaving these guys are moving from place to place all the time success another type of watcher that's also different seasons he's moving around so we come back i'm sharing over here it also says again what does it mean michael because of course it has to be or solid cell that when you built it it was made to provide shade and then why in this one does it say this price is talking about ganbach is talking about rakbash great now what is the difference why is one less than the other haitano the gamba ali malay ganbar mission de kavi it's better for him to say it makes more sense for him to say that asuka of a guy of accusing a woman is permanent it stays there yes the people that are in it are not even but the sukh itself is a is a perfect structure and the reason why we added this the leica be the ones the the raya the the the shimmery periodic these are these are tents that they're flip-flopped they keep on moving so it has less of a permanent thing to it and now think that it's possible commercial when it is that even a sukkah of a woman of a guy is also a good sukkah so now question can a woman build a sukkah here's a shiloh a woman who is potter from sitsis she's part of her senses could she make titties she's not over by the way so could a woman make titties mostly shine him hold she could make titsus however the maharam these are in china say she can't miranda says he brings a pasta because it says vasudene can't be them but the rabbit time says a different reason he says if a woman is not shy from a mitzvah she cannot make the mitzvah and therefore they ask a question mr kamara how could a woman build a sukkah for a man and i'm saying what's the connection when you have to make sure this so she can't do it because she's not part of the mitchell according to every time but ahsoka you don't have to make it so good there's no missing to make it so good there's a mitzvah to to cut wood like i i told you before i sort of behind kanewski you used to come when i learned in panama there's right behind this these trees the calypso streets he used to come every single year caught this hawk himself and then rest it was very tiring you lie down on the floor there's a lot of pictures of him lying on branch if you ever saw this big that's from 35 years ago but anyway have a wonderful wonderful day you