Daf Yomi Shabbos Daf 135 by R’ Eli Stefansky

beautiful boy saying good morning good morning how's everybody doing good morning noah here we go today's cheer is sponsored once again by the sherman family of kew garden hills in memory of the grandmother and great grandmother shane del bazaev wolfe this yard site is twenty-seven of tammuz the twenty-seven of the thomas the shrama should have an alias sponsored by shia siegelman refuse for my mother who knows who his mother is oh today we have an amazing email see if i can find it oh hold on still by the printer there we go okay from our good friend ralph kalman with common of five towns listen to this hi rebelli hope all's well with you and rib joseph doesn't say our nominee says rebecca i guess he deals a lot with your ability i heard you mentioned yesterday the 140 plus people are doing the seam hope you still have place for common of five towns avada of course so the same of course calvin's gonna have to take care of the scene in the five towns i spoke to my rebbe it is all for making big seem at our shoulder so anyways he has a place called this mahmoisha it's a nursing home in woodmere it's a very long email anyways he wants to do it there fine now what a way in which to reopen the show with a cm broadcast by ellie and whoever is in the neighborhood also want to make mention of the impact your sheer had on me earlier in this week it was during the daf where you mentioned the story of howard maisha feinstein mentioned the difference between two family kids the one that did the mitzvahs with simcha not the ones that said it's hard to be a jew sounded better in yiddish versus when you said it it hurt me a lot because that person was me before it transformed into calming this past year with your death being the driving force behind my transformation together with my rebbe now we don't have to say the next few words blah blah blah blah okay fine i'll say it together with my rebbe blumenstein there are no coincidences right before you mention this this is when my older son said something a little closer to me mckitzer he's blaming the husband kid as if no one has a husband kid on the fact that he says but now he no longer says and his youngest one who's only six is going to see only happiness from yiddish kite so anyway i i argue with him a little bit i think no matter what at whatever stage you are no matter how old your children are you know they can always see new change and accept it and be better kids that's that's how it works it's not don't don't give up on this guy and just because he's like everybody's husband even reminiscia finds these kids i'm sure everybody's husband today forget about it in the merit of his father thank you again rebellion for all you do and also to all the khaburo hashem should all be back in base measures for the seam as well on main regards common of five towns okay valdec today is lamin hey we're holding on the bottom of davico flamindalin bay is the last last line ellie yeah this just came in but uh one of our viewers has a son that was just injured and uh may need emergency surgery and have in mind injured hell no no more details okay fine suffice andreas so we had in the mishnah that kuflam dalaran base all the way in the top you not mikhail shabazz for suffolk russia gave an example he took it out of the gemara we said there's a number of examples and you know is for an androgynous who has both zakrus and nakros tonra bona or lassoi so it says in the possible lawsuit the reason why i printed it just so we see in reference to the first word we're talking about this word over here allah his arlo that's a definite arla but don't forget that the first word in the passage is the big word that we that taught us that is for brasmila so comes the gemaran says that's daftko if it's if it's vada when do you have uv suffix cars if an androgynous doesn't perform brisk mila on his zacharias even though he has nakhvus his kaifkara as well we on the other hand not rebuild though we say we don't know it's not it's a suffolk it's a zakar zacharias and akeva so for that suffering we're not going to go and push off shabbos another suffolk is a shabbos villain what if a baby was born banash moshe is on friday we don't know if he was born on friday and therefore his birth should be on friday and not on chapel so he cannot push off shabbos or what if the baby is born on matsi shabbos shabbos banishmoshes we don't know if he was born on sunday or shabbos so either or both cases it's a suffolk we don't know he's born we don't know for sure that he was born on chavez so it doesn't push off shabbos whatever baby was born with a bris it seems like he doesn't have a narly at all there's nothing to cut off so a kid like that should be shyamajim sorry nevertheless you have to squeeze out a little blood we had yesterday all the way the last rashi on the on the um to have them is part of the mitzvah milo so if dam bruce is part of the mitzvah so yes he was born without an arlo but what about the point that you have to have part of the mila is not only removing the arlo but part of the mila is the blood should come out so that he didn't have when he was born so bishop may say it's our flat middle bruce when a kid is born with a breast milk everybody agrees even they still agree you have to do atop as damn you have to do there's no tsar why there's a concept called orlak fuso the arla is there you just don't notice it it's it's it's uh it's stuck to the to the milo it's kavos so you have to do something about it you have to do atabazdam what happens let's say an arab or in america a lot of people have nothing to do with being jewish and now they come and they want to be gayrim but that for sure you can't say it's arla fuchsia you can't say this you just don't see it physically physically he doesn't have an arla it was removed surgically but now and now when you see it again he's already mo and that's it so melo if he was born when he was mo you don't push off shabbos so according to rabbinuttam this is very interesting if a girl comes to you with a brisamilla he says that even if you do off as damn he's not a hundred percent jewish but his children are yidden and the rambam says that he doesn't understand such a thing how is it possible that somebody is not jewish his kids are jewish it's a marvel now there was a beautiful story that i heard from dr factor and i didn't want to say it over i didn't feel it was appropriate but i had such a hard to say it over and i set it over after you know after the share was over and zoom but now because there's so that has to do with this with this with the story somewhat so i can't control myself i have to say the story so if you have like a situation kid in the back seat like you'll see israel golfing said so just fast forward a few a minute or so don't listen to this i'm giving you a warning here it's an adult theme the but it's a beautiful beautiful mice it's never going to make it into the ellie classics the story but it still has no i'm getting your hand off your forehead it's okay it'll be good don't worry about it he's so nervous uh yeah you should be nervous but the there's a huge huge lesson here i i was very touched by this story there was a nine-year-old kid in russia whose brother had a bris mila and the nine-year-old kid really wanted to have a bris but he was going back and forth and he was crying and crying and he didn't want to have it he did want to have it and i don't remember the detail exactly if he wanted to do it for his mother maybe that was a different story mixing it up but he wanted to do the bris really badly but he couldn't bring himself to and finally he said okay i'm going to do the bris so they do the bris and a couple minutes later dr factor sees this kid jumping with joy literally laughing and he's singing he's crying and he goes over he says what happened he said he took a look and he can't believe it he thought that bruce mila means they chop it all off and all the and he couldn't believe it wow it's there in other words i mean the the kayak of this kid he he was willing at the at the end of the day he was willing to do that why am i saying to myself if a guy a a girl comes to you without anything zero he doesn't have a navy at all so he becomes a year the gummer with tv what's the issue because in order to be become jewish you have to be macabre mitzvahs you have to do amila and thila but he doesn't have the ability to do amela so in that case you don't have to do he's even the representative everybody will agree that he's a hundred percent a but i think it's an incredible story fine for some reason yo bergman wants to control my camera i'm not sure why yo you got to listen to the share now all right omar let me decline this for a second then we go through all this focus now we spoke in androgynous he was born with a mila bina smashes what what else is there in my life we mentioned it last night at the time of the gemara and texas talks about it what happens today by the time of the gemara a baby that was born in the eighth month wasn't viable you're born the seventh viable born in the ninth born the eighth nothing you're not you're like a heaven we assume the baby is going to die subban ben shiva mahalo if he was born in the seventh month so that's the other case suffolk whether he's born in the seventh at the end of the seventh the beginning of the 8th because we don't know maybe he's not viable so there's no point to be honest it's incredible a baby was born in the eighth month in the time of the gemara he's like a stone in other words he's mukta you push it can't touch him he's crying let him cry his mother could bend over and nurse the baby because of her sakana because her milk could be misakin her twices points out you don't have to come on to sakana if a woman is in pain without sakana she's a lot of she's a lot of just waste of milk in other words the problem of nursing is metharric so there's no dash there's no mempharic she could okay five couple points here what is the problem to do abrasimila on a baby that's eight months old what's this the the issue usually is that you're causing your kabura you're making a wound on chavez but the baby is dead halal the baby is dead so you let him make a bris on a dead person on chavez there's no you're not over on kabura if the person is dead so what's the problem rashid says that's a beautiful question and therefore ashley says it has to be that we're talking about the mitzvah the actual mila there wouldn't be an issue at all because either he's a viable baby and he requires a burst mila and it's beautiful that you're doing it or the baby is dead the baby is dead you didn't do a khabur you can't even if right now he's alive but allah is dead so you didn't do a khaburi to live a kid so talking about creating the knife for the mila tyson says here that an hour that is a little different he goes into the whole eight thing and entices also relies on this rashi to say that if the baby is born in the eighth month what do you have to lose you have nothing to lose in other words perform a bris mila if the baby is going to end up living like the babies end up living in our days so great he did a brisk meal and if the baby doesn't end up living you didn't the only issue was we said mila but the meal itself is absolutely no answer so do it man there's no reason why not to give a eight-month-old baby a meal the only the only issue would be in to create a knife for that baby so don't create knives if you already have a knife do mila if the baby is a dead baby so you didn't meal it to that baby there's noise and if the baby is alive baby then [Music] comes along rav and says that according to be like the those like is whether or not they still argue on hatofaz dam so according to rav they still hold you don't need a toughest dam ever you never knew us [Music] no that the whole mach like this was on aguer but when a baby is born a baby is born with a mila there's no mach like this hello they're according to everybody you need atop as damn on a baby that's born as is with a mila mahalakis is by had a baby this exact case the baby was born with a mila by the way today i believe i think it's broader mr bureau that you you should wait if a baby is born with a mila it'd be before you start doing a toughest dime et cetera wait see if it could separate maybe this is our law you wait a few days he went around looking for a mile that performed the mila on shabbos and every mile told him i can't perform the mila because even according to beshama you have to do that but not on chavez not because it's still even it says rashi even according to besham it's a suffolk the shabbos you have to do out of is that but maybe bishop is not saying a thousand percent that this baby has a law does it sound that hazard on the side that he has to do so therefore no mild wanted to do the milan chavez because of the suffolk and you can't be makal shabbas in the suffolk says kimara what happened was he said you know what no one wants to do it i hold you have to do a bris miller he took a knife and cut his baby says the gemara de shavik he created he cut too much he cut part of the kid and that creates a krushafrah what's that by khrushchev the torah says if a baby is a khrushchev he cannot marry another jew very interestingly the rebel here on the side says brings you xiaomi that this baby died one shot another shot is that he davened he was mister until the baby died not exactly sure i don't think he died that the baby should die that was both should take care of this baby you know the baby has no future can't marry anybody it could marry certain people but not kahal not not jews from birth but mela that's what he says he brings you xiaomi the baby died and this is a very famous line omar tasty the avri adirav i deserve this that i lost my child or that i did the khrushchev according to you i lost my child the avria i didn't pass him raph says that you don't you don't do according to basil you don't do a tough there's no reason to do the milan shabbos so i was over rav i should have listened to rav who passing like busilo that this baby that's mole is mo forget about it you don't have to do anything and because i went against rav i caused this damage and that's what happened basically where do you see that shmuel says that you should be mikhail shababs says it's one hundred percent arla and therefore you have to do right now on chavez again this baby that's born with the bruce milo says it's not a brazimillo you're not seeing it correctly the arlo is stuck it's it's it's it's um it adhered to the to the mila you just don't notice it but it's a hundred percent there the it i'll prove it to you a little bit in rabbit says i'm concerned maybe it's a arlak fusha in other words the baby requires a mila virus it's 100 that he requires on a baby who was born when he was mo that you need you need a tough islam everybody agrees with that's all we have right here we have rebellio blessed are copper says the whole macholicus is whether or not you should be mahalos there's an invisible tanakama over here that's that argues that everybody's like what does this invisible tanaka hold you could either hold that everybody agrees there is no machines in chabas everybody agrees that you are mikhail shabas or everybody agrees you're not makaha those are the two options right but somebody argues that really is a copper uh really azer kaiper says this is everybody agrees you have to do but this is we still you are but who argues and what would they say that art who argues we'll call them tanaka i don't know their name name is tanaka and what does tanaka say a hundred percent mcconnell chavez or a hundred percent you know chavez meaning if the tanaka holds your 100 percent michael chavez there's no mclaren's that holds that's a hundred percent our luck fusha there's one hundred percent the arla here how could everybody hold them shabbos because the only way it could be shabbos is if there's zero suffix if there's no suffix you got to put this in if there's no suffix then it can be shabbos so here's the mr tanaka we don't see not a name and not not a line we don't we don't see anything in this price we see rebel yes our kappa says this is in chaves but maybe the tanaka holds that everybody holds you're not making chavez maybe everybody holds it's a big fat suffolk who told her of yousef that the the comment that we don't even know who he is and where he is and what he says holds that everybody holds that it's not a suffolk says gomorrah very interesting mk revelation so everybody holds that and comes with you and explains that according to besham you have to be mikhail shabbas who cares about we don't ask him like him anyways why is he explaining it says the [Music] wasn't even talking about shabbos tanaka was talking about a weekday do you have to do atovas dumb at all on a weekday that's what the machinist wants and on shabbos everybody agrees in america and then he comes along and says no that's what rebellious is coming saying no you should know that even on on on chavez this is like us okay omar abbasi new cigarette and says an amazing amazing kurdish call shi myomaravasi call my te mayo leido nima la shmaina i mean whoever heard of such a thing but he says that if a woman is not tommy when she gives birth you do you perform the brismilla the first day the kid is bored right away i think that's what right non-jews don't they do they do the meal in the hospital i don't know first second day whatever there's no they don't wait eight days what does it mean that a a woman is not coming i mean she's either taught me seven days or fourteen day what does it mean she's not tommy so either she gave birth through cesarean right mma law she's not tommy or she was miss guyer she became a guillorist after she gave birth two things says rashi so in those two cases she doesn't have too much she doesn't have tomo there's no milo no mila ishmael you do the milan the first day how do i know this is revastation ishoki says on the eighth day but otherwise you perform the brash miller right away um all the people in that's right they performed the bris milo but they didn't have to slay them two masley that only occurred when the torah was given there's no there's no such thing as tum in those days tomorrow the terrorism is the candidate of tomah but bruce miller was from abramovino all the way to mountain tire there's burst mila and they still waited eight days toro we're turning the page sponsored by rip official from official catering [Music] you're right they did milan the eighth day they didn't have tomo but when the torah came along and said the concept of tuma i'm telling you something new happened from now on it's not on the eighth day if the woman doesn't have tumor because they're looked the tyre says apostate that that brisk meal is tully in tuma if there's no toma then you don't wait for eight days you do it right away any how could that be today if a baby is born through cesarean or if a baby has two earlobes says rashi what's chat to our lives either the baby has two layers or physically he has two bris milas you don't know which one is the icker which one is the toefl so i can't i can't be michael chavez you only do the bris on one on the the one that he uses the other one is stam i don't do bris on that one but i don't know which one it is please but it says specifically it's a different born with the caesarean there's no tuma it seems like you have to wait you have to wait for for eight days one is depending the other the only bris mila that pushes off a shabbos is eight days so they're one and the same you can't you can't divide them you can't say oh it says over here kill shabbat still shabbos is when he's eight days so so he is eight days says this svara der avassi says that if a woman is not tummy you do the briss right away on the first day seems to be a machistanoi so here's the agoda it says in the past means we're talking about a slave the slave was born in your house you lived by you you already owned the mother he was born in your house meghnas kasif means you just purchased this life in both cases when do you do the breast mila well benjamin eight days very important word here is green say that this tells us that this slave must be like you can't like you a slave that's similar to you you do it on chamomile why there's another possum right afterwards possibly immediately afterwards you design prosecute gimel this the first possibilities repetitive but guess what what's missing from this pasuk what day you should do the mila it doesn't say what day this paso tells us second later same exact thing why would the tire repeat itself to tell us a huge that is the elite bias and this is that the meal is on the first day not on the eighth day so we have four cases here we have elite bias a slave that was born in your house that the meal is on the first day and he lived by is that the militant and then we have a mykonas casper a slave that you bought wasn't born in your house you bought the slave as this sometimes you perform the meal on the first day and sometimes on the eighth day so according to this one factor here there's one thing it has to be any baby any slave that's similar to you so you perform the bismillah like you when's your bismillah on the eighth day if the baby is not like you then you perform this meal on the first day according to rafahama this he agrees to that idea yeah it has to be like you but there's one other one other tonight the mother has to be tommy oh so if the mother has to be tame here's a rioter of asi only tomo creates a eighth day and if you're not tommy cesarian whatever there's no eight day let's see inside ketanoi this is going to take us down to the end of the sugar to the end of the today yes there's a slave that was born in your house that you he the meatless on the first day of there's going to be some repetitive lines and then she gave birth this is a child that was you purchased the baby he was purchased yet you didn't burst me law after eight days but if you bought the for once you already had her baby you bought her let's say immediately after childbirth with the baby already in this world you do the mila immediately yes now we're going to the other category you lit by us he was born in your possession you already owned this slave m what's missing the other case what's the case of uh doesn't say that we're going to discuss in a second right now we have three cases how do you have you live by is shinima born in your house that you wait eight days if you bought a shivka and she became pregnant by you and she gave birth it's a regular aved that's borne by you under your as you owned it says the gemara rav [Music] just want to see something no okay this is very interesting that is brought in shas many many times dozens and dozens of times yet the gemara starts off the suggest this is says this is only one of three places in the entire shas that a tan is called rav because we're not talking about the famous we're talking about we're not talking about the amirah reframe we're talking about somebody else called rafham of the tana [Music] if she gave birth and then only afterwards you would title her why because this is the halakha ravasi since when she gave birth she didn't have toma she was a guy the guy doesn't have toma so therefore you have to perform the melee immediately he'd be law but if first there was a thilo mma law when she gave birth does she give birth you give birth but turmoil and then you perform the milan the eighth day okay so ravasi is going to go like refuge that it has to do with tuma if there's tomo then the middle is on the eighth day if there's no tumor then the meal is on the first day vitamin k there's no difference doesn't make a difference to me when the trello was even if the mother doesn't have tumor at the end of the day we perform the best meal on the eighth day so now that marge just has to figure out the fourth case you know what i actually i did a very very rudimentary chart i'm not exaggerating 708 i pushed print but you have here two categories i don't know if you could see no color nothing you lit by isa mikhanas kassef the eighth day and the first day a quarter of hama if it's either bias if she was title and then gave birth you'd do it on the eighth day you lit by us if she get it was terrible uh no this is completely wrong throw this out that's what happens when it's last second okay next sunday charts i have all four cases figured out according to your bahama goes into it we already said it the gemara goes into it again if she gave birth and only afterwards she was taivo so you lived by shinima you do the the milan the first day why because when she gave birth she didn't have tumo and if there's no tomor when she gives birth because she was a guy it was before the tv la before she became completely jewish or a shift that's kaiba mitzvahs the bris mila is on the first day hit the b law but if first she was makable mr she's the title so she now she has toma bach and then afterwards she gave birth to the bachelor name of the shimano great that's english bags make a nice cast of nemo now what happens if she where's my piece of paper here let me show that mick nice question the other case that he already purchased her she was already there i'm sorry he purchased her nailed banks he purchased her name how's it going he bought her when she was pregnant with bilo and he was terrible so basically he purchased her with the baby already caviar in the world like there's the mathis of this vlad and he put her in the mikvah now if here's a big kiddush rashi says why do you have to say this here's if lokaj says one person bought the shift and one person bought the vlad so here's a big kid that says you don't have to come on to it you could say that that first she she was titled and then she gave birth fine i want to say even if she was title and then she gave birth there's still a situation where you do the milan the first day says rashi you hear the case if she was total and then she gave birth i have a case where where there's there's a meal on the first day how if one person bought the the by yourself and the other person only bought the uber you only bought the uber so this is not like this has nothing to do with a regular jew the meal is on the first day now according to the tanakama that being tame and not tommy has no effect on this baby we don't care if the mother is not tame according to if the mother's not taught me i do the birth meal on the first day but according so what's the case of a person who bought a shivra and i'm sorry the the elite bias didn't buy the shivka lives by him what's the case that you performed the brazmil on the first day according to hama if there's not feeling yet fine but it doesn't make a difference a person buys a shikha only for her offspring he's not buying her golf he wants nothing to do with her he doesn't get anything from her just the offspring and therefore i performed the bismillah on the first day why because this has nothing to do with the jewish kid this is not lochem going back to this passage it has to be elohim like you and like you means a full a fully id if i just have an offspring that came out of the sky not from a mother a mother that's owned by somebody else that's not something that i do at brasmila on the eighth day that's on the first day of [Music] just fruit off a tree i say i want this tree just for the fruit do i own is it do i own part of the tree or not so if this makes sense if i own zero from the actual shivra all i get is fruit fruit fruit i get the offspring someone may lie do the bristles on the first day hello my name is but if regardless of what i say and what our deal is there's no way of me getting offspring without owning some some of the karen of the karka of the of the shivra mayakilama so at the end of the day i have a little bit of a mother here so it is similar to jew and if it is similar to the jew the middle should be on the eighth day omar ahmed shahir belike leila talking about a case where i buy a shift when i say on condition i've never titled this woman if i've never told this woman that she's not like a yid justice points out that if i buy a shift and she refuses to be taivo then you have to get rid of her but i'm i'm permitted to make a tnai and say i'm buying her on condition that i will never be tabler it's a different type of shift we might not be so familiar with her but there's such a thing i buy a shift on condition i'm never traveller she has alohas of a guy because when she does give birth her son is nemo on the first day have a wonderful wonderful smackday [Music] foreign [Music] is [Music] um so i don't know what you guys want to do and want to organize it but you need you guys to throw it out that's all that's all gary gary gary i don't know did anybody see gary because he wasn't he wasn't going into my computer he wasn't messing around too much last night he was all over the place my screen was flying no matter what even if it's not a picture at all